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Senator Bernie Sanders Talks International Corporate Policies In Indiana; Can Trump and Clinton Draw Large Amounts Of Voters?; Mother Drops Children From Burning Building To Service Members Below; Navy SEAL Killed In Iraq Assisting Peshmerga Forces; 94 Of 97 Detroit Schools Remain Closed Amid Teacher Sick-Out. Aired 10:30-11a

Aired May 3, 2016 - 10:30   ET

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CAROL COSTELLO, CNN ANCHOR: All right, Bernie Sanders just hopped (ph) outside of that diner in Indianapolis. He's standing next to a union man from United Steelworkers, Chuck Jones, and he's talking about the economy and factories that have moved out of the state of Indiana. Let's listen.

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SENATOR BERNIE SANDERS (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: -- The middle class of this country. And I think people all over this country are saying, "you know what? That cannot continue. We need a trade policy which works for the middle class and working families, and not just for the CEOs of large, multinational corporations."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you think having (inaudible) focus on things --

SANDERS: I think that would be great. This -- I think clearly one of the differences in this campaign is that I have, throughout my Congressional career, way back in the early 1990s, understood that these trade agreements, whether it's NAFTA, or permanent normal trade relations with China, were a disaster for American workers.

I understood that, I fought them, I was out at picket lines with workers in opposition for NAFTA. Secretary Clinton, as you know, has supported virtually every one of these disastrous trade agreements. And that is an area of strong disagreement that the voters of Indiana and America will have to consider, I think.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There's also an area where you have a lot of overlap (ph) with Donald Trump. Can you imagine working with him in the future on anything (ph)?

SANDERS: No, no. No, I think Donald Trump lives in his own world, I think. He is here picking up on an issue which, from a political point of view is a popular issue. But I think at the end of the day, if you want somebody who has stood with working people his entire political career, and not only in an effort to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour -- Mister Trump I think thinks that a $7.25 an hour, federal minimum wage is just fine. I think if the workers of this country want a candidate who has stood with them, who will transform our trade policies, I think Bernie Sanders is that candidate.

CHUCK JONES, PRESIDENT, UNITED STEELWORKERS, INDIANAPOLIS: I agree.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Senator do you feel that your attention to this particular issue in Indiana has moved the needle at all? --

SANDERS: (Inaudible), I will tell you the answer to that in about 10 hours. I'll give you very specific information.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No but I mean actually in the company --

SANDERS: Look --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: -- moving to Mexico.

SANDERS: Oh, well I think -- let me be very clear, and tell United Technology [sic] -- and tell Carrier -- United Technology [sic] owns Carrier -- that if they think they're going to simply destroy the lives of 2,100 people and truckers -- I understand that many of these workers have been there for decades, and got whole families working up in the plant (ph) --

JONES: The plant we represent carrier saled in the West side of Indianapolis, 1,400 people. Been there since the early 1950s. Very probable, second, third, some has four generations that came through there. We've got people -- one of our officers, Vickie Burrus -- she got nine family members that live -- that work there. A lot of people have got husbands and wives. Doing away with their job isn't just one livelihood, it multiple.

SANDERS: And if United Technology thinks that they're going to do this, they're going to cause this much pain for so many families, and they're going to get away with this with impunity. They are wrong. Some of us, and I, for sure, will be taking this issue up and saying very loudly and clearly that, when you have a company that gets $6 billion in defense contracts from the taxpayers of this country, and then throws workers out on the street, you know what? We may want to rethink those defense contracts.

So I'm going to tell United Technology, "you're not going to get away with this. You're not going to destroy lives with impunity. You're not going to give your former CEO $171 million severance package, and destroy 2,100 lives and families, here in Indiana, and think, 'oh, no problem. We're not going to pay a price for this.' You are going to pay a price for that."

We have got to change -- and this has been the theme of this campaign -- corporate culture in America. This is not the case of a company that is losing money, that is desperate. They are making good profits. This is not a case where anyone thinks that these workers are not productive, and highly efficient workers. The company acknowledges that. It is simply greed. They can make more money moving to Mexico, paying people there $3 an hour.

It is unacceptable. And I don't think Chuck and I are the only people in America who think it is not acceptable. Millions of people think this is wrong. And we are going to take our United -- "

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COSTELLO: All right, you see Bernie Sanders there talking to some reporters. He's standing alongside a union member, a union leader, Chuck Jones. Trying to get people revved up in Indiana to cast a vote for Bernie.

More than three months after Iowa kicked off this primary season, Indiana is up. But are voters still revved up? 2016's race has been creating several different emotions. It's been a roller coaster ride, right? Just take a look at some of my posts on my Facebook page.

Freddie Garza writes, "It's really sad to see people divided. We are all humans, why do we have to see ourselves as different or better than other people?" Tom Good writes this, "Fed up by Washington and politicians, but Trump is not the answer. Dumb Americans keep voting the same scumbags in for decades." And Carol Lloyd writes, "Bottom line, fed up with the current administration. I'm over Hillary and Bill, I'm ready for making America better again."

Others simply say it is one crazy election. And you know, if they say that in person, and I'm sure you've heard it, they sigh very, very deeply. Joining me now is Emory Professor, and author of "The Political Brain," and "The Undecided Brain," Drew Westen. Welcome Drew. Hi Drew? Drew, can you hear me?

DREW WESTEN, AUTHOR "THE POLITICAL BRAIN": I sure can.

COSTELLO: Oh, good. Shoot, you scared me there. OK so we know voters are angry. Is this election season likely to make them less angry?

WESTEN: Oh I don't think so. It'll depend, of course, on the outcome. But I'm -- I don't think so.

COSTELLO: Why not?

WESTEN: Well because I think what they were looking for in the last election was change. And what they got was kind of chump change, and they feel like the chumps. What everybody wants is money out of politics. They want to see one man, one vote, again. Or one person, one vote, again. And they feel like our government's been taken over by big corporations and CEOs. And it's not answering to them anymore.

COSTELLO: So even if Donald Trump is elected President, they won't feel any better, you think?

WESTEN: Do you know, I think it depends a lot on what he does if he gets elected President. If he actually makes some changes -- he is capable of working with -- on both side of the aisles, because he's a -- he has worked on both side of the aisles. And mostly he's been paying people on both sides of the aisles, for their campaigns. But at least, at least he's worked with them. COSTELLO: Right. So most voters do think it will boil down to Donald

Trump versus Hillary Clinton. And these are two candidates with very high unlikeability ratings. So I wondered how that will affect voters in a general election? Will they stay home, will they become disenfranchised? What?

WESTEN: Well that's -- I think that's going to be the really big question. We've never seen an election like this before, where you're watching a campaign between two people whose negatives are higher than their positives. And whether they can change that by the time of the general election, is unclear. But the big question is whether people just kind of take a gulp and hose -- hold their nose and say, "we're coming around." And say, "all right, you know, I think Hillary shares my values." Or, "all right, I think Trump shares my values enough." Or whether they stay home. That's really the million dollar question. Because it could go either way.

COSTELLO: Yes it could. Drew Westen, thanks for joining me, I appreciate it.

WESTEN: You bet.

COSTELLO: Still to come in the Newsroom, we talked to U.S. service members who saved children from a burning building, by convincing their mother to drop her babies from the window.

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COSTELLO: A mother and her children are stuck inside of a burning building. The only way out, through a window that's several stories up. The mother ends up throwing her children out of the window to safety. Watch.

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COSTELLO (voice-over): All right, this happened right outside of Seoul, South Korea. You hear the crowd reacting below. One by one those kids come down. They landed safely on a blanket below. And then when the kids were safe on the ground, their mother was the last to jump.

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COSTELLO: There's so much more to this story, so many heroes. As you can imagine, this mother was not thrilled with the idea of dropping her children outside of those windows. Well nearby is an American airbase. And members of that airbase just happened to be in the area. Three of them join me now. These are the service members who helped convince this mother to drop her children from the window, onto a blanket below.

First Sergeant Melanie Scott, welcome. Tech Sergeant Stefan Haynes, and Master Sergeant Michael Henry, welcome to all of you. Wow. Sergeant Haynes, can you even believe that happened? TECH SERGEANT STEFAN HAYNES, UNITED STATES AIR FORCE: No ma'am. It's

still surreal. You still play that moment in your head. So --

COSTELLO: So, Sergeant Henry, how did you convince this mother to toss her children out of the window?

MASTER SERGEANT MICHAEL HENRY, UNITED STATES ARMY: Well my -- I think individually I didn't convince her. I think, as a group, we just knew it was the best thing for her to throw the kids down to us to safety. I mean, I have children and I would want somebody to help me and save my children involved in the same situation (ph).

COSTELLO: And Sergeant Scott, just take me through from the beginning until the end.

FIRST SERGEANT MELANIE SCOTT, UNITED STATES ARMY: Ma'am we just -- I just remember seeing the lady in the window. And we had blankets in our hand and we were holding the blanket to catch the kids. And just trying to get her to throw the kids down to us.

COSTELLO: Was she crying?

SCOTT: I think she was screaming, and she was pretty, you know, out of control.

COSTELLO: I can only imagine. So Sergeant Henry, where did the blanket come from?

HENRY: Actually it was a local vendor, ma'am, that was a few stores over. And initially when the fire started, he was hauling his blankets into a store, to protect them. And as we came in, rushing in, he decided to give us the blankets so we could assist the lady and her kids.

COSTELLO: So Sergeant Scott, how did you convince people to hold this blanket below?

SCOTT: I don't think anybody convinced people. I think we just all saw the blanket, grabbed a piece of it, and held on, to make sure that we could help save these kids as they were coming down from the fourth floor.

COSTELLO: So Sergeant Haynes, describe how that felt. So the kids are coming out of the window, people are holding the blanket below. How hard did those kids land?

HAYNES: With the blanket, the -- it was just one -- almost like a trampoline, in a sense, you know? You're just breaking the fall. So as they hit the blanket, it was just like a trampoline, if anything. One bounce, and then everything was good after that.

COSTELLO: Wow. So Sergeant Henry, what were the kids' reactions after they bounced on that blanket?

HENRY: As you can imagine, ma'am, the kids were pretty scared, not really sure what was going on. Especially the first child that came out because she was kicking and screaming, she didn't want her mom to drop her. But immediately after we were able to (ph) get the kids to safety, we moved them out of the area as quickly as we could.

COSTELLO: I'm just looking at the family now, it's just like -- So Sergeant Scott, once mom jumped out of the window and got onto the ground, what was the scene like?

SCOTT: At that point, somebody had grabbed her and rushed her off to safety, and we kind of looked up to make sure that no one else was coming. And I think after that, maybe we all ran to go make sure the family was OK in the nearby store.

COSTELLO: That's just incredible. So Sergeant Haynes, I'll ask you again, can you believe that even happened?

HAYNES: No ma'am. As I said, it's still, it's still -- it's surreal.

COSTELLO: Well we're awfully glad you guys were there. And we're glad that it all had a happy ending. And thank you so much for your service, too. You're awesome. Tech Sergeant Haynes, Master Sergeant Henry, First Sergeant Scott, thanks to all of you.

Still to come in the Newsroom, the Olympic torch arrives in Brazil. But first a quick check of some other stories. Actually we'll take a look at stocks right now. The DOW now gaining back -- giving back its gains from yesterday. Down more than 175 points right now. Actually down more than 179. I'll be right back.

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COSTELLO: A developing story out of Iraq. CNN has learned, a U.S. service member killed in action near Mosul was a Navy SEAL. That's according to a U.S. defense official. We're told the Navy SEAL was serving as an advisor to Peshmerga forces there, and got caught up in a firefight when the enemy crossed Peshmerga lines. We're talking about ISIS here. And officials say the U.S. responded by dropping more than 20 bombs.

President Obama says the U.S. must be resilient and true to its values as it continues to fight the war on terrorism. The President also speaking up candidly about what the next Commander In Chief needs to be ready for. Here's some of what he told CNN's Peter Bergen.

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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I think that we have built a incredible structure of cooperation between intelligence, military, law enforcement, that has hardened the American homeland. And the capacity of an organization like an ISIL, or an Al Qaeda, Arabian Peninsula to carry out a big catastrophic attack is much lower. But as we've seen, you now have a proliferation of groups. Because of

the power of social media, there is a mechanism to recruit volunteers that are already located in the West. That are much more difficult, precisely because they don't engage in the same kind of planning. And what that means is, that we've got to continue to be vigilant. It means that we've got to go after ISIL in its core, where it allows itself to maintain the illusion that somehow, it's on the march.

It's going to be important for us, ultimately, to take them out of Mosul, take them out of Braka (ph). Make sure that they don't have those kinds of safe havens where they can pretend that they're a state, in some fashion.

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COSTELLO: The President also says the U.S. should continue to be prepared for the threat of small groups, and lone wolf attackers. I'll be right back.

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COSTELLO: Checking some top stories for you at 58 minutes past. The second day of teacher sick-outs have shut down most of Detroit's public schools today. Officials say 94 of the district's 97 schools are closed. That's the same number of schools that were shut down on Monday. The Teachers Union asked its members to call in sick after they were told there's not enough money to pay them past June.

John McCain's son, Jack, is responding to critics of an Old Navy ad that features an interracial couple. Jack McCain, who is married to an African-American woman, joined other Twitter users who posted pictures of their families with the hashtag, #lovewins. He said in a Twitter post, "To the people upset about the Old Navy scandal of a picture of a mixed-race marriage, eat it."

The Olympic Flame touched down in Brazil today after traveling from Athens, Greece. Between now and the opening ceremonies in August, some 12,000 people will carry that torch all around the country.

Holy cow, some folks' biggest surprise ever in sports. Underdog Leicester City won England's highest soccer league title. Beating the odds as high as 5,000 to 1. And they did it without even having to step onto the field. Winning the championship when the second place team spied (ph) last night. Celebrations went well into the night after the big win.

Congratulations. They look very happy, right? Thank you so much for joining me today, I'm Carol Costello. AT THIS HOUR with Berman and Bolduan starts now.

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