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Aired June 1, 2016 - 14:00   ET

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[14:00:00] WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: Shooter apparently still at large in that building. Two victims, we are told, are down.

Brooke Baldwin picks up our special coverage on the shooting on the campus of UCLA right now.

BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: Here we go. Top of the hour. You're watching CNN. I'm Brooke Baldwin.

We begin with this breaking news here, live pictures up on Los Angeles. Want to welcome our viewers here in the United States and around the world as we are continuing our coverage here, live breaking coverage of a shooting on campus at UCLA.

Let me just be entirely transparent. We don't know a lot. We're going to work through this together over the course of the next two hours.

This is a massive campus. Forty-three thousand students here. It is on lockdown as I speak. And we can confirm that there are two victims. We are told they are, quote, "down." These victims are down near the engineering building. We are still trying to confirm what exactly "down" means, if that means that these two are injured or possibly worse. We're waiting on updates on their condition. At this stage, we have no information on the shooter or possibly shooters there in Los Angeles, if they have left the campus. They could possibly be holed up there in campus, but can you see just the tremendous police presence here.

We've been talking to a reporter on the ground with reports of, you know, police and tactical gear, SWAT teams combing different buildings floor by floor by floor as per protocol. Listen, we've gone through this sadly before and we're going through it together again here on the campus of UCLA.

We first heard about this shooting just about an hour ago, and the campus is still on lockdown.

Again, let me underscore for you just how tremendous this campus is. I mentioned a second ago, just in terms of student population, we're talking some 43,000 students enrolled there. This is the last week of class for, you know, students in the spring semester. Exams begin next Monday. So just have a sense of, you know, them thinking things were winding up for them.

The LAPD has now put the city on tactical alert, and CNN can now also confirm that FBI is on the scene. ATF is en route. Got a lot of voices we're going to bring in over the course of the next two hours, hopefully less. Hopefully they will find this shooter if, in fact, that is what's happening.

Kyung Lah, let me bring you in, CNN national correspondent based there in Los Angeles.

You know, as we're looking at some of these pictures here, what more do we now? I mean, obviously, huge question as to what "down" mean, the two victims are down. Talk to me about what we do know.

KYUNG LAH, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: We don't know what the condition of those two victims are. We did reach out to the nearest trauma center, which is the UCLA medical center. It is very close to these pictures that you're looking at is actual - is right next to the campus. The medical center is deferring all questions to the university. So at this point we don't know what the status of those two victims are.

What we can tell you is that UCLA is confirming that they do have two victims who have been shot on campus. The LAPD tweeted that it was near - on - in or near the engineering building. This all began - we first got the reports about 10 minutes to 10:00, just local time. So it's just about - a little more than an hour that we've been watching this.

The campus was immediately put on lockdown. The students were warned to shelter in place. This is being called an active shooter. You can see all the police activity. The officers who have arrived, they are driving vehicles from the campus police, as well as LAPD. There has been a tremendous response. We've seen officers in tactical gear. They are carrying long guns. They're walking in and out of buildings.

For some perspective, this engineering building is right in the center of campus. It is - it's a number of stories tall. There - it appears to have a lot of people it can hold. And UCLA is known for its engineering school. A lot of students attend the university engineering school. Forty three thousand students are enrolled at UCLA. This is a school day. The FBI is on scene. The ATF is on the way.

We have seen some gurneys being removed from ambulances, but we need to stress here that those - we have not seen any people on those gurneys. One was put back into an ambulance with no student on it, with no one on that gurney. So at this point we just have to wait for a little more information. This is just more than an hour since we've been watching this. Everyone being very, very careful, from the police to the university about what they release, very much an active situation right now, Brooke.

[14:05:00] BALDWIN: Kyung Lah, you are so, so helpful. Let me ask you to stay close to me and I want to bring in Kimberly, we're not going to use Kimberly's last name. Kimberly is a UCLA employee. And total transparency again, I'm not going to ask Kimberly any specifics to her location because who knows who could be watching as we're taking this live.

So, Kimberly, can you hear me?

KIMBERLY, UCLA EMPLOYEE ON LOCKDOWN (via telephone): Yes, I can hear you.

BALDWIN: First of all, how are you?

KIMBERLY: I'm a little on edge, but everyone here is just trying to stay informed about what's going on and stay away from windows and be safe.

BALDWIN: Tell me how you were first alerted to what's happening.

KIMBERLY: We were in the middle of a meeting and the meeting done at 10, so maybe around 9:45 half of us started getting Bruin Alerts on our cell phones about some kind of police activity near the engineering building. And then we got more of a Bruin Alert after that, talking about some guy with a shotgun being on campus, was the first time that was referenced, and the active shooter near the engineering building and us being on a lockdown and not being able to leave and instructed to stay away from windows.

BALDWIN: And let me ask you specifically, so your language, "some guy with a shotgun," was that from someone who thought they had seen who the shooter could have been or was that actually language actually as you're getting these alerts on your cell phone?

KIMBERLY: That's what a -

BALDWIN: Actually - actually, Kimberly, let me - let me listen in to the police.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: News conference right now.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: As you can see, we have a lot of resources here on the UCLA campus. We are responding to an incident that occurred around 10:00 this morning involving a shooting. There have been reports of victims. We don't have that confirmed yet. As soon as I have that confirmed, we will provide more. So we know very little at this point. We are talking all the information in. We are sending our tactical teams, which consists of both UCLA, LAPD, the FBI is also here because they're - they're in such close proximity that they responded to support. This is not an FBI investigation at this point.

What we do know is that a shooting happened. If you are on compass right now, the message to everybody on campus is to shelter in place. Lock yourself in a safe place until the authorities are able to get to you or provide you a message that it's safe to come out. All the other reports that you're hearing from other sources, please wait until you hear from an official source, either from LAPD, UCLA, the fire department, who is also on scene, has helped support us. But as we say, we are - have responded in an abundance of caution. There are a lot of resources here.

The city of Los Angeles has been placed on a tactical alert citywide, which merely means it's a method for LAPD to reallocate resources where we need them to make sure that we can still handle the call for service in all of the divisions. It does not mean that there is something going on in all parts of the city.

As soon as we know more about what's going on here at UCLA, we'll be more than happy to provide that to you. Again, if you are not at UCLA, we ask you to stay away from the area. If you are on the roadways and you hear sirens, please pull to the right so our resources can get here.

QUESTION: Captain Neiman (ph), there have been reports that there are two people who are dead. Can you confirm that or deny that?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, those reports have not been confirmed yet. As soon as I'm able to confirm any kinds of injuries or a number of victims, I'll be happy to do that. But at this point, that is - that information is not available.

QUESTION: What about the description of the suspect being, you know, in black - black pants, a black hood?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, I have not heard that either. So, obviously, we want to make sure that the public is safe. As soon as I have information that is valid that we can provide to you in terms of the description of the person involved or persons involved, we'd be more than happy to do that. But at this point, we are still gathering all that information. Our tactical teams are going in with SWAT and we are going to do this very methodically to make sure that everybody is safe and nobody else is injured.

QUESTION: Captain, LAPD is confirming two people are dead.

QUESTION: What building are they in? What building?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The initial report was that this occurred somewhere near the engineering building. So I'm not familiar with the campus. I'll try to get a better location. But that was the initial report. And, again, as this information comes in, a lot of times it is fast and furious and not always accurate. So I'm very cautious about providing specific details until I know those details are accurate.

QUESTION: Is the bomb squad here? Are there any concern (INAUDIBLE)?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So, bomb squad is here and that is a common response with our SWAT team. In the event that we need to do any breaching of any doors, a bomb squad is here to facilitate that in terms of any type of ordnance or explosive that we might have to use to breach doors or if there's any ordnance. There has not been any reports of any bombs or devices at this point.

QUESTION: We heard multiple suspects. Are we focused on one suspect?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, I don't have a description. Let me see if we can get one. I have not heard that reported yet. So as soon as I'm able to do that, I'll be more than happy to do that.

QUESTION: And, again, you are not confirming the reports of two victims?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I have not had that confirmed to me yet. So I cannot confirm that.

QUESTION: Has there been anybody that has been transported from the scene, any injuries?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Not to my knowledge, no.

[14:10:01] QUESTION: What about the suspect or suspects? Can you say one or two?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, I don't know that either yet. So - so until we know more information - again, when these events unfold, they happen very quickly and information comes in from a lot of different resources. So a lot of that information is not accurate at this point. So -

QUESTION: Can you (INAUDIBLE) tell us what we do know in terms of what happened, when this happened.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So, what we do know is around 10:00 this morning, a report of a shooting occurred here on the UCLA campus. We have reports that there may be at least one or two victims. We don't have that confirmed. I don't know the status of the victims and - or how many actually we have. As soon as we have more information, I'll be glad to provide that.

QUESTION: Captain, Neiman, the LAPD media relations is telling our assignment desk, and I just got a text, that there are two confirmed fatalities.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Well, that - well, I'll here and I just talked to the command post. So I will have to talk to my office. That has not been confirmed to me. So as soon as I'm able to confirm that, I'll be more than happy to do that.

Let me bring up -

QUESTION: How was the report first received?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm sorry.

QUESTION: How was your report first received?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It came to us from UCLA. So, UCLA - this is - UCLA has their own police department. It's a fine police department. They called us and asked for our resources to assist them. And that's why we're here.

At this point, let me bring up the PIO for the fire department, who can talk a little bit about their resources.

PETER SANDERS, LAFD SPOKESMAN: Peter Sanders, s-a-n-d-e-r-s, the Los Angeles City Fire Department spokesperson.

QUESTION: Can you talk a little bit louder for us?

SANDERS: Sure. The LAFD responded approximately the same time, around 10:00, when the

LAPD received a call for a reported shooting. We immediately entered into unified command with UCLA PD, LAPD, and the FBI. We currently have 11 engine and truck companies on scene, as well as 17 rescue ambulances standing by. We also have other resources that are staged and prepared to respond if necessary. We do have our tactical EMS teams here. They are working in conjunction with LAPD and the FBI SWAT teams that are - paramedics that are trained to enter with, closely with, and work closely with the SWAT teams to render medical aid. They are on scene. And we have multiple command officers, as well as other resources here on scene standing by to serve.

QUESTION: How many victims are you hearing?

SANDERS: Right now we're standing by to assist the LAPD. We do, as Captain Neiman said, we do understand that there are victims shot, but we don't have any other details at this point.

Thank you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And that wraps up that quick briefing.

BALDWIN: OK, so there you go. Again, we don't know a lot. One, two possibly victims. Are they injured? Could it possibly be worse? We just don't know. Live pictures here, reports of an active shooter on the campus there at UCLA.

Let me bring Kimberly back in. We were talking to Kimberly a moment ago.

Kimberly, forgive me for pulling away.

Kimberly is a UCLA employee. She's sheltering in place on campus. We're not giving away Kimberly's location.

But, Kimberly, let me pick up with my question. You were talking about how, you know, different people on campus were alerted through your cell phone as far as what was happening, this shelter in place, stay away from windows, and you mentioned a report of someone with a shotgun. Who did you hear that from?

KIMBERLY: That was from a colleague who got the alert on their phone. I don't know if she was reading it from the phone or maybe she had just gotten off the phone, too, with someone else probably on campus.

BALDWIN: Got it.

KIMBERLY: So she said it.

BALDWIN: Got it. That's the thing, we don't have any - you just heard, you know, Captain Neiman say they don't have a description of the shooter, possibly shooters, so we don't have a lot of information on that.

How many people are sheltered in place roughly where you are?

KIMBERLY: There's probably about 40, 40 to 50 of us here.

BALDWIN: And so you've known about this - this call came in apparently right around ten till 10:00 this morning your time. Talk about just how sprawling, how massive this campus is. And I know that the semester was winding down. I know final exams were Monday. How busy is campus this time a year?

KIMBERLY: This is actually dead week, so there aren't actually classes, I don't think. It's when students go in for review session, so they're not in formal classes, and then commencement is next Friday. So it's really busy because of that. I'm sure there are a lot of people who might be in town, like families, because of that. And the campus itself is massive. I mean like just stretching from where, you know, the - instructional buildings end all the way to UCPD and even beyond that to the medical center. And then we also own, you know, the Wilshire Center, which is blocks down. So this campus is massive.

BALDWIN: Huge, 43,000 students. Apparently where the shooting took place was the engineering building, at the heart of campus. So there's that for people who aren't familiar with UCLA.

KIMBERLY: Yes.

BALDWIN: Kimberly, stand by. I'm just juggling a couple of things right now.

Let me bring in Stephanie Elam, who's our correspondent, who I understand is there now on campus at UCLA.

Stephanie Elam, talk to me about where you are and what you know.

[14:15:00] STEPHANIE ELAM, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Brooke, we are on the north side of the campus, and this is where we understand they are looking for a potential shooter. I'm just going to move out of the way because you can see behind me that there are - oh, he walked away while I was talking to you. But he's walking now down to the left here. We've been watching officers, SWAT officers clearing out areas.

We can see students who are behind in these buildings behind windows. You can see them in the dark. You can also see that they have the lights off. There's some people standing in front of the doorway for one of the buildings as well.

As I was making my way on to campus, I saw one student and I walked to him and I asked him, I'm like, you're not concerned? He's like, I'm not, but I'm more concerned about missing my final. So he was walking up here to take his test -

BALDWIN: Wow.

ELAM: Because, as we understand, it's finals time here at UCLA starting this week and next week. And I can understand, you worked a long time to get to this point but it's not worth losing your life over, obviously, because of the all for not. But we are watching officers - I saw them as I was driving here from

CNN Los Angeles making my way down Sunset Boulevard. SWAT cars making their way here. They're not taking any chances. And as you heard in that press conference, there may be an overresponse here. They say they don't know for sure, but they didn't want to take any chances because UCLA is one - it's a beautiful campus. It is also massive. So there's a lot of acreage here to get through to check, to clear it out and make sure that there's no more of a threat. But at this point, we're not at that point yet, Brooke.

BALDWIN: OK. And, obviously for people watching thinking, hang on a second, this is an active shooter situation, why are we live? Obviously we have permission from police. You're in the northern part of campus. This is apparently happening right around the heart of campus at the engineering building, just to be crystal clear on that.

You know, as you mentioned, exams are starting next Monday. Can you describe the scene as you were driving into campus? I mean we've been looking at these live pictures, SWAT vehicles, we know FBI is on scene. Describe just the law enforcement presence.

ELAM: Right. Well, you can feel it. It's definitely different. I mean there's nobody on campus except for like maybe three or four people that I saw. In fact, our photographer, Greg Cains (ph), is going to show you right now how there's really - it's deserted around here. People have headed most of the warning here to get out of the way, get off of campus. It's eerily quiet for a college campus heading into finals. And the people who are standing behind the doors at the building that you now see in the shot here, they did let in that young man that I talked to, who was on his way to find his finals. I guess they looked at him, figured he was clear, they knew him and let him in.

So people have cleared off. So what you hear more than anything else is the helicopters. It is very silent. We're kind of staying back away enough from where there may be any police activity because we don't want to get in the way of anything. But we are, obviously, watching to see if there's any change here. But I can tell you that there are still plenty of people on campus and I can see them in the windows, but they're just trying to stay low and stay quiet and keep a low profile.

BALDWIN: Stephanie Elam, do me a favor and stand by, to you and your crew there in the northern part of the campus there, UCLA.

Let me bring in another UCLA employee who we have on the phone.

Sonya Gavin is her name. She is -- Sonya, again, I don't want to - just as I spoke with Kimberly, I don't want to say exactly where you are, but generically speaking are you somewhere on campus?

SONYA GAVIN, UCLA EMPLOYEE ON LOCKDOWN (via telephone): Yes, I am.

BALDWIN: Yo are.

GAVIN: I'm in a building that's probably about four or five buildings away from Boelter Hall and the engineering building.

BALDWIN: Which is where the reports of the shooting happened just about 10:00 your time this morning.

GAVIN: That's correct.

BALDWIN: What - how are you doing? Are you nervous? Are you OK?

GAVIN: We're all doing fine. All of my colleagues and I are on lockdown. And we're sending communications out to everyone here to stay within the confines of the office and to stay away from windows. And everyone seems to be doing OK. Some of us are more nervous than others, but that's to be expected.

BALDWIN: And you know the campus so much better than any of us. When we're talking about this engineering building, I understand it is smack dab in the middle of UCLA, yes?

GAVIN: I'm sorry, what was that? Someone just walked in.

BALDWIN: No problem. The - this Boelter Hall, the engineering building where the shooting apparently took place -

GAVIN: Right.

BALDWIN: That's in the middle of the campus?

GAVIN: It is. Central campus. Engineering is right next door to the student union building, Ackerman, and - and it's right adjacent to Westwood Village as well, but it's pretty central campus.

BALDWIN: So around 10:00 in the morning, you know, how busy would campus typically be in this week before final exams?

GAVIN: Yes, it's extremely busy. We - a lot of people are preparing for commencement activities, including our unit. A lot of the students are preparing for finals. Classes are in full swing. It's a really busy time. We just came off of a long weekend so I think a lot of, you know, people are trying to take care of a lot of business, so it's a busy time.

BALDWIN: And it's a massive campus. We've underscored that point. Forty-three thousand people. We're looking at, you know, photos. Did you ever think that you would be talking to me, that we're seeing photos of, you know, police in SWAT gear on your campus?

[14:20:13] GAVIN: You know, it's - it doesn't - you know, it doesn't really surprise me because, you know, this has happened elsewhere. And this is something that we figured was - you know, I hate to say it, but it was only a matter of time. Our department, our organization in particular, because so much has been happening around the country, we've taken a lot of steps to make our employees safe and doing reinforcements in our offices, training everyone for drills and so we feel that we're well prepared and people here are doing OK because of that.

BALDWIN: Sounds like the - yes, sounds like UCLA has been excellent in warning everyone on campus and beyond.

Sonya, thank you so much. We're going to keep you in our thoughts.

And I just want to pivot away from you and bring in former NYPD Commissioner Bernard Kerik, who's joining me now here.

As we're looking at all these different pictures, you know, you see the - the SWAT teams as we've seen play out in situations similar to these, you know, combing through the different floors of these different buildings. With your law enforcement eyes, what are you seeing?

BERNARD KERIK, FORMER NYC POLICE COMMISSIONER: Basically, Brooke, the crisis management and disaster response protocols going into action. The good thing here is that the Los Angeles Police Department's, the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department work constantly in conjunction with UCLA and their police department. Their SWAT teams and special operations teams are some of the best in the country. And that's what you see playing out at this point.

I think it's premature to say, you know, whether this is an active shooter scenario or this was, you know, not some kind of assault on campus, you know, I think it's going to be a while before that determination can be actually made. This is an enormous campus and to clear it for these special operations teams is going to take a while. So I think it's going to be a while before it comes to any kind of conclusion, at least on campus.

BALDWIN: What are these officers doing? Do you have an eye on the TV screen like I do? I mean I believe, guys, get in my ear and tell me, these are live pictures? Yes, these are live pictures I'm being -

KERIK: I'm - I'm - yes, I'm -

BALDWIN: Actually, hang on a second. Hang on a second, Bernie. Let me go to Stephanie Elam.

Stephanie, is this your camera? What's going on?

ELAM: That was - that was our camera. We were looking at the officers - they actually walked around a corner and they looked at us and said, get out of here. And so we were backing up out of the way and they said that they are still looking for this active shooter. They came out and cleared us away. They said we were just too close.

Greg is actually going to get this shot up again as we walk away here. But it's just showing you how fluid things are on campus. We thought we were actually further away than we were to some of the activity. So it just shows you how they're really working to clear out these buildings and make sure that there's not a threat here.

But they said, they're still looking for an active shooter. They told us to back away. It's not worth us getting shot as we got the shot is what the officer just said to us.

BALDWIN: He is correct. ELAM: But as you can see, they are fully armed and they are fully

engaged.

Yes, so we are backing up here and clearing out so that they can do their job and - and -

BALDWIN: Let me let you back up. Let me let you back up. Take a breath, take a breath, and let me just report this sad news that we just got from UCLA. We've been talking about these potential two victims. We can now confirm that there are two confirmed dead as a result of this shooting on the campus this morning at UCLA. Two confirmed dead. That just coming to us from UCLA.

Bernie Kerik, we now know that this is a fatal shooting. I know you're saying it's too soon to access whether or not it's an active shooter. That's the language we're getting from LAPD. Now that we know this - and, again, we don't have any sort of description about the suspect or possibly suspects, what are police doing here?

KERIK: Well, they're going to have to clear these facilities. And, you know, it's going to take an enormous amount of time. You've got, you know, a number of the students that are locked down in the facilities. They've got to be removed. They've got to - they've got to basically anticipate who these kids are, identify them, make sure that the shooter or shooters, depending on how many there are, making sure they're not in these buildings. To clear these buildings systematically is going to take a long time. So this is going to go on for the next several hours if - to say the least.

BALDWIN: Bernard Kerik, stay with me.

Jim Newton is joining me now. Jim Newton is a UCLA instructor.

And, Jim, just passing along my condolences in hearing that there are now two dead on your campus at this moment. Tell me - tell me what you know.

JIM NEWTON, UCLA INSTRUCTOR ON LOCKDOWN (via telephone): Very little. I'm far - my office is on the northeast corner of the campus, which is a fairly long distance from where this apparently occurred. There are police - I can see police from my window. And, obviously, we're all on lockdown and have been since about 10:00 this morning.

[14:25:02] No evidence from where I can sit anyway of people panicking or rushing around or anything. People - it looks fairly orderly, although, as I say, my vantage point on this is somewhat limited.

BALDWIN: Sure. I know from police, you know, they're asking all of you on campus, stay away from doors, stay away from windows, shelter in place. I mean but this is a tremendously massive campus. And the notion, as we're looking at all these pictures and look at these law enforcement tactical gear going in. They have to clear all the buildings until, you know, they figure out who's responsible for this. Have you had any interaction with law enforcement since the campus has been on lockdown? NEWTON: I have not. I have received, as have everyone here, I think,

received several notices via e-mail about staying inside and lock doors and whatnot. And I can see helicopters and I can see out my window, I can see police officers, but I haven't had any direct contact with law enforcement, no.

BALDWIN: And, Jim, also in addition to being a UCLA instruction, I understand that you used to cover, you know, LAPD with the paper in town.

NEWTON: Yes. Yes, I'm looking for familiar faces. Yes, no, I covered LAPD for "The L.A. Times" for five years, yes.

BALDWIN: And so when you hear that the - apparently the city is on tactical alert, you know, we are - we are hearing what that exactly means from the police captain, Andy Neiman, there. He was saying that that means they're reallocating resources, making sure resources are heading towards campus. Can you talk a little bit about that?

NEWTON: Yes. Well, at least traditionally. It's been a while since I covered the department. But, traditionally, what that also means is that as officers reach the end of their shifts, rather than going home, they're generally kept in potion. It just - it amplifies the department's ability to respond to something that's big and complicated, as this - as this could be.

BALDWIN: Yes. Jim Newton, thank you so much.

Just bringing in different voices here as we are covering this breaking story on campus. At the heart of the campus. Apparently this shooting happened at this engineering building in the middle of campus. The call came in just before 10:00 California time. And, still, students, faculty, staff, everyone in this final week of classes, asked to shelter in place as they try to find the shooter or shooters.

Teddi Mattox is on the phone with me. He's a freshman at UCLA.

Teddi, I know you - you're in the cafeteria. I understand you're - how many - how many other students are with you right - she -

TEDDI MATTOX, ON LOCKDOWN WITH 100 STUDENTS: Hi. I would say there's about 100 other students with me right now.

BALDWIN: One hundred other students. And so, Teddi, describe the scene.

MATTOX: Sort of - everybody was sort of just, you know, getting their breakfast and we were in line, and we got the alert, and a woman said, you know, this is not a drill. Everybody, you know, get to the back of the dining hall because, you know, we just have to stay away from the windows. So we're all crowded back here. We've been here for at least an hour and a half at this point.

And, I mean, people are crying and people are like nervous, they're shaking, we're just - we're just - we're unsure because they're getting all this information our friends and everybody's telling us something different and every few minutes we hear that there's another shooter at a different location. And sometimes it sounds like it's moving closer to us. So, that's just a very like stressful situation.

BALDWIN: That is - that is the tough part in situations like these. You know, there are - there are not enough facts to go around to understand what's happening. How are you feeling?

MATTOX: I have not shopped shake for the last hour and a half. I'm praying for any students that are, you know, still out on campus right now. I'm praying for anybody that's in the engineering building. I just - it's, you know, my roommate left. She walks past there, you know, every morning. And I couldn't get ahold of her for a half an hour. And it was one of the scariest like half hours of my life. It's - I'm, you know, it's just a very anxiety-producing solution.

BALDWIN: Yes, bless your heart.

MATTOX: It's a lot of nervousness.

BALDWIN: What is - help us understand, for people who have never been on campus, I know it's huge. And when we're talking about this engineering building, I understand it's in the middle of campus. How big of a building is it and what's around it?

MATTOX: The (INAUDIBLE) about the buildings across from our house (ph) - sorry, we're just getting some (INAUDIBLE) right now. (INAUDIBLE). OK. We have to stay on lockdown. Sorry.

The thing about the buildings where classes are held is that they're all clustered together. So, you know, there could have been at any time thousands of students around that location. So, I mean, it's - it's absolutely the worst time of the day for anything to happen. Everybody's headed to class. Everybody's out. Nobody's expecting anything. So, yes, I mean -

BALDWIN: I can imagine the weather is beautiful. I imagine people are outside, starting their days. I know, what, commencement is soon, so there's a lot of activity on campus, is that right?

MATTOX: Yes, there's a lot of activity on campus. There's a lot of setup. There's a lot of people (INAUDIBLE) see their children graduate. It's - it's (INAUDIBLE). It's heartbreaking.

[14:30:01] BALDWIN: Oh, Teddi, I will let you go. We're thinking about you, hoping everyone is going to be OK. Thank you so much, freshman at UCLA, essentially hold up on lockdown in the school's cafeteria.