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Aired June 2, 2016 - 23:00 ET
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[23:00:11] DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR: We are beginning this hour with breaking news tonight.
There you can see Donald Trump just finishing up a rally in San Jose, California, with thousands of his supporters there. But there are protests outside this rally in California tonight as the candidate is signing autographs inside.
This is CNN TONIGHT. I'm Don Lemon. On the day that Trump finally wins an endorsement from the House Speaker Paul Ryan, a lukewarm endorsement, but still Donald Trump doubles down on his attacks on the judge presiding over the lawsuits against Trump University insisting he has a conflict over what Trump calls his Mexican heritage.
And then he tweets this. "After the litigation is disposed of and the case won, I have instructed my executives to open Trump U. So much interest in it. I will be pres."
And in just a moment, we're going to talk to a woman who attended Trump University. And, again, we're going to keep an eye on those protests in San Jose, California.
So let's go to CNN Sara Murray, who is outside the Trump even in San Jose where the protests are spreading.
So, Sara, what are you seeing? What's going on?
SARA MURRAY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Don, the most tense moments so far have been when Trump supporters have been leaving this event. We've seen protesters here try to sort of pick them off, try to corner them. There was one woman they egged. They spit in another couple's face. There have been near fights, but for the most part they have been broken up.
Now I think you can see behind me, police are moving forward. They are changing the perimeter a little bit as protesters have marched down the street. Now for the most part, it has largely been non- violent. It has largely been chanting, but the most tensed moments like I said are when these protesters are closing in as a large group around one or two Trump supporters as they're leaving the event.
This as we always expect is the most tensed time of the night. It's when Trump supporters and Trump protesters get as close as they're going to get to each other throughout the evening.
As you can see by these police who are moving forward that their goal is to keep them as far apart as possible.
LEMON: We have seen some really terrible things, like the burning of the American flag, jumping on cars outside of the building there.
So what are the protesters -- and they're saying some really awful things. From what you can say on television, what are they saying about Donald Trump?
MURRAY: There are a lot of expletives. They are yelling against Donald Trump. I know inside Donald Trump said he loves Hispanics, but outside we're getting a much different sense from the protesters.
Of course, they have many signs. They're holding up, calling Donald Trump a racist, saying he wants to kick them out of the country.
But, Don, it was interesting talking to some of these protesters because they're chanting chants of non-violence, of acceptance saying that love Trumps hate. And a number of them acknowledge that when you have their peers out here throwing eggs, shouting expletives, it actually undermines their message.
So there are sort of two different types of protesters that we are seeing out here tonight, Don.
LEMON: There are some -- Donald Trump supporters, I imagine, are clashing with the Donald Trump opponents. Some of them saying, you know, "F socialism" and the other one saying "F Trump." And they're going back and forth.
But you have not seen any physical violence, have you?
MURRAY: We have only seen sort of initial pushing and shoving before it's broken up. I would say the most tensed moment we've seen is there was one woman who was egging on the protesters, antagonizing it, antagonizing them. She was by herself and a group of protesters cornered. You see a fight breaking out right now that our camera is showing you.
This is what I'm saying. When you see the Trump supporters leaving the event, protesters are cornering them, shouting in their faces.
So far this has not escalated to intense violence, but obviously as it continues, there is a risk of that.
LEMON: And Sara, talk to us about the amount of -- are there police on the street? Are they intervening?
MURRAY: There are police on the scene. Right now, where we are standing right now, police are not intervening. They have set up a perimeter directly outside of the event and outside of the hotels where protesters were cornering Trump supporters.
Now we saw them, you saw them a little bit earlier march past me. It looks like they're moving up this street to try to secure up there, and maybe stop the protesters up at this intersection.
They have block off the street at this point. So we're no longer seeing protesters stopping traffic, but it's not clear how far they're going to let them go or how long they're going to let them continue this before they ask them to disperse, Don.
LEMON: Sara, earlier, we saw protesters in big groups. Now it appears -- and correct me if I'm wrong, that they are dispersing and they're moving around.
How many people are we talking about, and are they starting to disperse?
MURRAY: So earlier, they were all centered directly outside of the convention center. It looked like a very large group. Now you're seeing them sort of move around the convention center so rather than all being in the same block directly in front, we've seen them sort of disperse around the entire block.
And so it's hard to get a sense of exactly how many there are. I would say a couple hundred at the most. But definitely much larger than it was a couple hours ago.
[23:05:05] LEMON: And what appears to be their -- does this have to do with his immigration stance? Or what appears to be their main thing? Are they just anti-Donald Trump?
MURRAY: A number of them are protesting his immigration policies. There are a number of union members here as well. You can see right now there's an altercation between Trump supporters who are out here with their signs.
Trump protesters round up at them (INAUDIBLE). We've seen a lot of this tonight, Don. Trump protesters trying to rip Donald Trump signs out of people's hands, rip them apart and throw them on the ground. And a lot of what we've seen tonight has been immigration protest and, Don, signs out here protesting the wall.
LEMON: All right, Sara, I want you to be safe.
Sara Murray doing a great job outside of this rally in San Jose, California, where protesters have gathered, and some of them for Donald Trump and some of them against Donald Trump. We're going to continue to monitor that for you.
But I want to go to the man who has been following this campaign, Jim Acosta, and bring him in.
So, Jim, you were at the rally inside. There were probably, no doubt way more people inside of this rally tonight in support of Donald Trump.
Tonight, though, let's get to the meat of the issue here.
In the "Wall Street Journal," basically doubling down on his criticism of the judge in the Trump University case. And he said, Mr. Trump said U.S. District Judge Gonzalo Curiel had an absolute conflict in presiding over the litigation given that he was of Mexican heritage and a member of the Latino Lawyers' Association.
Mr. Trump said the background of the judge, who was born in Indiana to Mexican immigrants, was relevant because of his campaign stance against illegal immigration and his pledge to seal the southern U.S. border.
"I am building a wall. It is an inherent conflict of interest." That's what Mr. Trump said.
So go on, did he discuss what he said in this piece tonight at this rally?
JIM ACOSTA, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: He did not, Don. Although, you know, he has been tweeting about the case all day long earlier today. He tweeted that it was his plan to reopen Trump University after this case is litigated out in court. He feels that this case is going to be decided in his favor.
And after that happens, he said in that tweet earlier today, he's instructed his executives to reopen what is a now defunct Trump University. So he did talk about it on Twitter.
He did not talk about it at this event, Don, but I thought it was very interesting moments after he came out and spoke to this crowd here in San Jose, California. He saw a sign in the crowd that said "Latinos for Trump." And he said -- he commented on that sign and then said, "We love the Hispanics."
So maybe not a direct comment on the judge in the Trump University case, Gonzalo Curiel, but he did say "We love the Hispanics," you know, as he walked out here in front of this crowd here in San Jose. And just as a very quick aside, Don, I'm inside where this rally took place here earlier this evening.
We should point out no problems inside the event. It appears anything that's happening is really happening outside of this venue.
LEMON: Hey, Jim, is he going to ask this Judge Curiel to recuse himself?
ACOSTA: Say that again?
LEMON: Is he asking Judge Curiel to recuse himself?
ACOSTA: He basically is. He's basically saying that the judge in this case has a conflict of interest. And, you know, Don, earlier this week, I asked Donald Trump at that press conference at Trump Tower why do you keep bringing up the ethnicity of this judge, because it was last week around this time where Donald Trump said, oh, by the way, the judge handling the case is Mexican. He said not that there's anything wrong with that. And this isn't the first time he's talked about the ethnicity of this judge. It was earlier this year in Arkansas, I believe, I was at that rally where he talked about the Mexican heritage of Judge Gonzalo Curiel.
And we should point out, Judge Curiel is of Mexican descent, but he was born in Indiana to Mexican immigrant parents. He's not commenting on the case because judges can't comment on political matters. And his office is not commenting as well, but he's basically saying in this "Wall Street Journal" article, he's going way beyond what he said earlier this week at that press conference at Trump Tower, where he really didn't answer the question and just said "I'm a man of principle. That's why I keep bringing this up."
But definitely, Don, he's doubling down and then some in this "Wall Street Journal" article.
LEMON: Jim Acosta, San Jose. Thanks as always, Jim. Appreciate that.
Donald Trump doubling down today on Trump University.
I want to bring in a woman who saw it all from the inside, Ms. Sheri Winkelmann.
She attended Trump U and she joins me now.
Hi, Sheri. How are you?
SHERI WINKELMANN, FORMER TRUMP UNIVERSITY STUDENT: Hi. Good. Thank you.
LEMON: So you're a former Trump University student. Do you believe that it was a fraud as the attorney general has said?
WINKELMANN: Absolutely. No doubt in my mind.
LEMON: So justice in New York attorney general said you believe that it was a fraud.
WINKELMANN: I do believe.
LEMON: There were several different packages. You want to talk more about that? About why?
WINKELMANN: Yes, first of all, I signed up for the three-day introductory seminar at $1495. And we were told if by the end of the first day that we didn't want to stay for the three days, we could have our money refunded.
[23:10:08] I ask the instructor a lot of direct questions. They completely evaded answering them. So I started getting upset, feeling that this was not an actual learning seminar, but maybe just an upselling seminar.
I tried to get my money back. And two other instructors were brought over, and basically cornered me, telling me that I just didn't understand the material. I was confused. It's overwhelming. It's real estate. After all, I'm a newbie. If I just stay for three days, you know, everything will become clear. So I had a very hard time from the get-go trying to get my money back.
LEMON: OK. So $1495. $1495, we're talking about, right?
WINKELMANN: That was the initial seminar.
LEMON: That's not chump change, it's a pretty good chunk of money.
LEMON: So you eventually tried, as you said, to cancel your agreement and try to get your money back and you fought it.
How did that play out?
WINKELMANN: Well, what happened after that is I didn't receive my money back from the first day seminar. And they had gotten all of our financial information in the first day of the seminar. You know, under the guise of working with us to achieve our real estate goals. We were going to become part of the Trump family. We were going to be mentored for a year. That was the gold package which was $35,000.
I didn't sign up for it by the end of the three days. However, I was contacted continuously after the seminar.
LEMON: This is the one that's -- this is the gold package, which is $34,995, which is basically $35,000.
LEMON: As you said.
What kind of people were signing up for that $35,000 package?
WINKELMANN: There was a lot of seniors there that had lost money in the stock market, you know. So they were working with trying to rebuild their retirement. There was some husband and wife teams.
I partnered up with a soldier that had just returned. There was a couple of veterans there from Iraq. He had gotten blown up in a tanker. He was on an honorable discharge and he was trying to rebuild his life.
LEMON: How were they paying for this?
WINKELMANN: He wrote a check, and later the veterans' lawyers were able to help him with his case. LEMON: Yes. But how were the other people paying for it? They are
just paying for it flat out? Or this people who -- these weren't wealthy people, were they?
WINKELMANN: No. What they did was really pressure people. The mentors singled out the people that they saw from the financial statements had available credit lines because we filled out our checking, our savings, our credit cards and our credit limits, and our balances.
And so the second day of the seminar, the mentors that we were supposed to be working with actually took us outside of the room privately to help us work on our real estate goals, and basically had really pressured people into calling their credit card companies to up their credit limits so that they could pay for these seminars.
LEMON: You appeared in an ad for an anti-Trump PAC during the primaries.
Tell us your story about Trump University? Why was that so important for you?
WINKELMANN: Why was my story so important?
LEMON: No. Why was it so important for you to appear in this ad?
WINKELMANN: Oh, I didn't appear in an ad.
LEMON: You didn't appear. You appeared in an ad for an anti-Trump PAC during the primaries? No?
WINKELMANN: No. No, I just posted on social media about my experience so that the American people would learn how I was hoodwinked and hopefully wake up, and not have the same thing happen to them.
LEMON: So this was your social media site. This wasn't an ad, but people saw it and now it has gained momentum on the Internet.
LEMON: Why was that so important? You said so you could tell your experience?
WINKELMANN: Absolutely. I mean, this man is running for the highest office in the land. He's supposed to be a servant of the people. And if he's a billionaire real estate mogul, why on earth does he need to set up a university that actually just does nothing but upsell seminars?
It didn't deliver any valid real estate learning. You know, nobody came away with any more information about real estate than when they went in. They came away severely in debt, but with no more education. So if a man that has means like that is not willing to teach people that are honest and willing to pay for knowledge, I can't imagine what he's capable of doing to this entire country. That's my deep concern.
LEMON: How do you feel about him possibly becoming president?
WINKELMANN: I'm absolutely -- very disturbed, very worried for the American people and very worried for the entire world.
I feel like he's hoodwinking the entire American public in a very large way just like all of us. There were thousands of us as part of this Trump University scandal. So it's not a small number.
LEMON: He has people in an ad who are saying that they got something good out of the courses, out of Trump University.
What do you say to them?
[23:15:00] WINKELMANN: I think they were highly pressured into making those statements.
Nobody that I know of actually completed it because my mentor never called me after I signed up. I never got any e-mail support. I never got any documents. I never got a game plan.
And when my partner attended the first seminar, he came away from it mortified because the same package that we had paid $35,000 for, they offered as a group mentorship for only $15,000. So we were infuriated.
LEMON: You did get your money back. So good for you.
Thank you, Sheri. And I appreciate it.
WINKELMANN: You're welcome.
LEMON: When we come back, more on Donald Trump's attacks tonight on the judge presiding over the lawsuits against Trump University.
Why is he going after the judge now?
LEMON: Donald Trump in an interview tonight saying that the judge presiding over the Trump University case has an absolute conflict due to his Mexican heritage and his membership in a Latino lawyers group.
Here to discuss now, CNN political commentator Bob Beckel, Jeffrey Toobin, CNN senior legal analyst and political commentator Kayleigh McEnany who is a Trump support.
KAYLEIGH MCENANY, CNN REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST: Yes, Don? LEMON: How do you defend that?
MCENANY: He should not have mentioned the judge's heritage. There's no doubt about that. There's just not a viable argument there that because of his heritage he is somehow biased.
But Donald Trump maintains the judge is biased because of his connections with La Raza San Diego to lawyers organization that gave a scholarship to an illegal immigrant, and he thinks, hey, that he's part of this organization that obviously supports the idea of illegal immigrants being in our colleges so they might be biased against me for having a very hard line stance on immigration. That's fair to maintain that point.
It's also fair to criticize some of the judge's actions, not the heritage. But I think he needs to divorce the heritage from his argument and then he'll get more traction.
LEMON: Jeffrey, as a lawyer and as our senior legal analysts here on CNN, I will up -- this is a quote, this is from the "Wall Street Journal," this is what Trump had to say about Judge Curiel.
So what do you make? He said that he's given -- that he's of Mexican heritage and is a member of, I think he says La Raza or a member of a Mexican, Latino Lawyers Association.
Jeffrey, what do you think of this?
JEFFREY TOOBIN, CNN SENIOR LEGAL ANALYST: I mean, you know, Don, this is not close. This is really outrageous.
I mean, let's take this in two parts. First of all, the organization. There is a political advocacy organization called La Raza, which does take very strong stance on immigration and things like that. That is not the group the judge is a part of.
TOOBIN: He's part of a different group that is also called La Raza, which is simply a lawyer's fraternal organization. Judges, many judges belong to them. There are women judge's associations. There are Catholic judge's association. There are Jewish judge's association. They are not controversial. It is never grounds for a recusal.
The other part is even more outrageous. The idea that a judge simply because of his heritage has to recuse himself has never been part of the American system. Women judges decide sex discrimination cases all the time. African-American judges decide race cases. Catholic judges, Jewish judges decide.
LEMON: White judges decide on black issues, racial issues. But go on.
TOOBIN: I mean, it is simply not part of the American legal system to make this sort of demand. And I don't see any explanation for this other than, I'm sorry to say, bigotry.
LEMON: OK. Bob, before your reaction, I've got to ask Kayleigh this question -- you know, as to what he was saying.
So he's a Mexican heritage, right? But he's an American. He was born here.
Is he saying -- is Donald Trump saying that black judges can't decide on cases that may refract black people, or they can't be impartial? That's a huge statement to make, because it sounds like that's what he is saying.
MCENANY: I don't think so, because in that statement he made to the "Wall Street Journal," he also mentions the affiliation with the organization which makes me believe that he's more concerned with his affiliate with the organization than the heritage in general.
LEMON: But that organization is not the La Raza organization that, you know -- of the immigration organization. The one with strong stances about immigration. That's a lawyer's group as Jeffrey has pointed out.
MCENANY: That's right. But his local chapter of the organization he does belong to -- they're both called La Raza. One is La Raza Lawyers.
So the local chapter of the organization he belongs to gave a scholarship to an illegal immigrant. They obviously endorsed the notion of illegal immigrants being in colleges.
Whatever you think of that, Donald Trump thinks that because he endorses this idea, he is part of this organization that somehow he will be biased against him. And he coupled that with the fact that this judge unsealed documents relevant to the case. I'm not sure why he would do that. Then he tries to reseal them because he didn't screen out some of the information that he should have.
Also, I mean, I agree with Donald Trump, they should have been dismissed on summary judgment. It wasn't.
He has reasons to believe that the judge is biased. Whether it's true, I have no idea. He's probably not. I don't know. But he has claims and he's putting them out there.
LEMON: Bob? What's your reaction?
BOB BECKEL, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, my reaction is I don't know what more he can now do to absolutely seal any Mexican-Americans or any Latinos from coming to vote for him.
This is about as far as you can get towards the -- it is bigotry. Let's face it. It is flat out bigotry.
And here's the problem with Donald Trump. He has no discipline. If you run for president of the United States, it requires discipline. And a disciplined candidate would not have said this. The only reason he said it was this judge got him angry. So he got him angry, so what? I assume his wife gets him angry. That doesn't mean he ought to use the presidential podium that he's running for to lash out a judge in a case that has nothing do with the American people.
TOOBIN: Well, I mean, you know, I'm sort of speechless about this because, you know, there is not, you know, there -- I don't know whether this Trump University was fraudulent. That's why they're going to have a trial.
There are arguments on both sides. And Trump is certainly entitled to any sort of opinion. Judges are not immune from criticism in this country. But the idea that a judge has to recuse himself because he's of Mexican heritage, because one of the parties in the case is a political candidate who has taken a political position about relations between the United States and Mexico, that's just way outside anything that American jurisprudence, American judges have ever been subjected to before. And it's outrageous.
[23:25:00] LEMON: Jeffrey, is this seen as a deflection, because the judge has been on the case since 2014. And some believe the timing is suspect here.
Is it to draw attention maybe away from something else, or -- I don't know.
TOOBIN: I mean, you know, it's hard for me to believe that this was a carefully thought out strategy on Donald Trump's part, because even his supporters are appalled by this comment. So I don't really -- I can't articulate what the strategy might be or what the timing might be.
I mean the only timing issue that I can think of is that the judge made him mad. The judge ruled against him.
But you know what? Anybody who's been in court knows that sometimes the judge is going to rule against you and sometimes that makes you angry. But you can't start calling the judge biased because of his background. I mean, that's not something that people do.
BECKEL: You know, the other thing is, let's stop trying to analyze a strategy here. The fact is Donald Trump has no strategy. What his -- his strategy is developed when he stands in front of a crowd.
Do you think his handlers off to the side were happy to hear him say this? Do you think they were happy to see him beat up on the press the other day? I mean, if it was my candidate, I would never have another press conference. This guy is an undisciplined, non-strategic candidate who happens to have a very big mouth.
LEMON: Yes. And I know that from some of the surrogates who have come on the show. Bob is right. There are many of his surrogates who are saying I don't understand why he said this, or maybe he should not have said it, or he should have phrased it differently.
MCENANY: Yes, I know. I don't know why he said it either, but sometimes he goes too far. He speaks -- he's very off-the-cuff, and it's his greatest asset. It's also one of his biggest downfalls.
LEMON: By the way, that group, his La Raza group, gave a number of students $1500, not full scholarships, but gave them $1500.
MCENANY: Including the illegal immigrant students.
LEMON: All right. Everyone stay with me.
Up next, more on Trump's attack on the judge in the Trump University case. We'll be right back.
[23:30:59] DON LEMON, CNN HOST: Right back now to CNN's Sara Murray outside the Trump event in San Jose. What's going on outside? Are the protests spreading?
SARA MURRAY, CNN POLITICS REPORTER: Don, right now you see police are moving the protesters back. I'm joined right now by Ian Parsons, he's 15 years old. We caught sight of Ian because he was sprinting away from a group of Donald Trump protesters. Ian, give me a little bit of a sense of what was happening there. Why did we see you running away from that group?
IAN PARSONS, TRUMP SUPPORTER: Well, what first happened was I was just walking back to my car and this one African-American male came up to me, he was probably about like 21, I'd say -- he came up to me and knocked my hat off, so I turned around and I looked, what happened to my hat, and I looked at the guy and he started like screaming at me, so, like, I don't know what happened, like, that much after that I kind of just started walking away because I didn't want to like cause any problems, so then I went and I just started walking and then like a big group of people, like a pack of animals just came chasing after me.
MURRAY: Is that when you started running?
MURRAY: What was going through your head when you were running?
PARSONS: I don't know. I was like scared but I was also kind of laughing because of like immature and how they weren't peaceful protesting. Like they were actually being violent.
MURRAY: Is this what you expected to be happening when you were leaving the event? Did you have any idea that this is what would be welcoming you as you departed?
PARSONS: No, I didn't think anything could be this bad.
MURRAY: Does this give you second thoughts about going to another Trump event or no?
PARSONS: No, I'd still support Trump, but just the people who don't support him are not very -- well, most of them are fine but as you can see here, a lot of them that are here right now aren't very nice.
MURRAY: All right, Ian, well we're very glad you're safe. Thank you very much for talking with us.
All right, Don, as you can see behind me, police are moving this line forward, protesters have taken over this intersection just a few minutes ago. That's where we saw Ian Parsons running away from them. You see that police are now trying to get control of this intersection, trying to move the agitators out of the way. It's much calmer here right now than it was just a few minutes ago as police have closed in around this intersection, Don.
LEMON: All right, Sara, where are they running off to, do you know?
MURRAY: You can see them, they're running off to close down, it looks like the other end of the block, although there aren't any other protesters that are taking up the street right now. They're headed down about one block, which is Market Street. I think they just want to secure this area and start to move protesters out of here.
LEMON: Understood, duly noted. Thank you, Sara. Get back to us if you get any more information. Sara Murray outside the -- where the rally was. Now there are protests there. Let's discuss. Bob Beckel, Jeffrey Toobin, and Kayleigh McEnany, before we get back to politics here. Bob, what is the objective? What is the point to intimidating Trump supporters? If you don't support Trump, I understand, a peaceful protest is in order. Burning the American flag, jumping on cars -- what is going on here?
BOB BECKEL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, what's going on is not good. This reminds me back in the anti-Vietnam War days when some of us were peacefully protesting and others were burning flags and jumping on cars. It reflects badly on people who are against Trump, but you're going to get that kind of thing when you get inflammatory statements like Trump makes, and you're going to find people, any group of protesters are going to have a percentage of people who are just very angry and out of control and that's what you see. And they're newsworthy. That's the most important thing, I think. The cameras focus on them and they know that. If it were up to Hillary Clinton, I'm sure she would prefer not to have them there.
LEMON: Kayleigh, hold on. Let's put up -- there's a tweet from John Podesta. He's the chairman of the Clinton campaign. Let's put that up, and John, this says, violence against supporters of any candidate has no place in this election. Go ahead, Kayleigh.
KAYLEIGH MCENANY, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: I'm really pleased to see John Podesta come out and say that because yes, I've been saying for a while, we want to hear from -- I want to hear from Clinton and Sanders for this to stop, because these are protesters who come from the left, and I have to disagree with Bob that Trump can be blamed for this. Trump has put forward policy positions that have been summed up by many in the media, oversimplified to be racist or xenophobic or what have you but nothing Donald Trump has said is that, and nothing he said can be responsible for third-party actions of people jumping on cars, beating a Trump supporter to a pulp, burning American flags -- there is no excuse for that ever, and words cannot provoke that and should not provoke that.
[23:35:02] LEMON: Jeffrey, unless you want to jump in here, I will move on.
JEFFREY TOOBIN, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: I'd just like to say -- let's just not get carried away. In the United States, this kind of protest has gone on for hundreds of years. It's not that big a deal. A bunch of people -- like the guy got his hat knocked off? I mean, you know, he shouldn't have his hat knocked off but let's not --
MCENANY: The last guy who got his hat knocked off and picked it up and tried to get it back was beaten to a pulp and was taken off the scene with blood rushing down his face. That's what happened to the last guy who tried to get his hat back. I think it was in Costa Mesa, California.
TOOBIN: Yes, I mean, there have been tens of thousands of people at these rallies, one person getting hurt is unacceptable, but it's one person. I just don't think anybody should, you know, think that this is a bigger deal than it is.
LEMON: Let's move. Let's talk about policy now. All right, Bob, so Donald Trump also told the journal that he thought Hillary Clinton's speech quote, it wasn't a foreign policy speech, it was a hate speech. What's your reaction?
BECKEL: I don't know where he sees the hate. I think what she said was that she outlined I think some good foreign policy points, she was secretary of state. It's not as if Donald Trump is standing on firm ground here debating a former secretary of state on substance. So what he does is categorize her speech as something that is hateful when he said, for example, that Bill Clinton said that -- he called Barack Obama a racist. That's a lie. Bill Clinton never called Barack Obama anything anywhere near that. Hillary Clinton didn't hate Barack Obama. These are the kinds of things that Donald Trump says and he throws them out as if anybody is going to challenge it. Now they're going to start challenging it, and that's his problem. He's gotten away with a fun ride here so far but the Trump ride is over.
TOOBIN: And can we just talk about some substance here? One of the differences between Secretary Clinton and Donald Trump is, should there be nuclear proliferation? Should Japan, should South Korea, our allies, have nuclear weapons? Secretary Clinton says no. Donald Trump has suggested yes. That is a serious policy difference between them. That's the kind of thing that it would be nice to talk about a little as opposed to just the name calling that has gone on so much in this campaign.
LEMON: Kayleigh, go ahead.
MCENANY: I completely agree with Jeffrey. This campaign has been short on issues and I would love to get to substance and I think that that's what this speech did for us, which is a good thing. We can look into the record of Hillary Clinton and contrast it with that of Donald Trump, who is on the right side of Libya and Iraq, and leaving a stay behind force in Iraq. Clinton was on the opposite side of all of those things, and like "The Economist" pointed out this week, one of the three reasons we had the reemergence of ISIS was because there was no stay-behind force in Iraq, something that Hillary Clinton's State Department and the Obama administration oversaw. So there's a lot of real differences. I'm glad we can get into them now.
LEMON: We'll be right back.
[23:42:01] LEMON: Two CNN originals are here. Our greats. They're used to speaking their minds about Donald Trump, about Hillary Clinton, and just about anything. Morgan Spurlock is the host of "Inside Man", W. Kamau Bell is the host of "United Shades of America". What is this?
MORGAN SPURLOCK, CNN CORRESPONDENT: This is my -- I just had a baby beard, so I'm on hiatus, I get to like take it easy --
LEMON: It's called lazy.
SPURLOCK: And it's called lazy.
LEMON: So tomorrow, the season premier of "Inside Man", you play a high rolling professional gambler, right?
SPURLOCK: Living the Vegas dream.
LEMON: So if you were rolling the dice on this election, right, to bet the house, who would you bet on winning?
SPURLOCK: I would still bet on Hillary Clinton right now. I think that -- I think right now the race is to the middle. Like who's going to be able to attract the people in the middle, both from the Republican side and the Democratic side, and I think that right now, Hillary Clinton has a better chance of luring moderate Republicans to her side than he does of luring moderate Democrats.
LEMON: Some say that he is tapping into this sort of middle class anger, this working middle class anger, the feeling that he's using --
SPURLOCK: Middle class and working lower class, even lower than middle class.
LEMON: OK. That he's using that to fuel his campaign. Do you agree with that? Against Hillary Clinton. SPURLOCK: Yes, I think there are a tremendous amount of people who feel disenfranchised, who feel like the political system and America has kind of run away without them in the last few years as the divide between rich and poor has continued to get greater and greater a greater and they've seen their money go smaller and smaller places. I think there are people who feel like they love somebody from the outside coming in and kind of fighting against the man even though Donald Trump is the man.
W. KAMAU BELL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: How did a billionaire get to not be the man? The greatest trick the devil ever played.
LEMON: You travel all over this country, though, and one of the things he says is, this P.C. culture is hurting America. What do you -- ?
BELL: Political correctness is why I have my voting rights. (laughter) Political correctness is why "Roots" is a remake and not a documentary about current America. Thank you, political correctness. (laughter) Political correctness is why my mom can vote.
LEMON: So what do you make of this? Do you see it as -- that he hears what this working class people are saying, or do you see -- ?
BELL: I feel like when you say working class -- I know there are blacks for Trump, I've been tweeted by the blacks for Trump. I get that these people exist, but the core of his audience, when you say working class, it's working --
SPURLOCK: Working whites.
BELL: Thanks, white guy.
SPURLOCK: Yes, I can say it. It's mostly like poor White people.
LEMON: But do you think poor White people in America, not to diminish anything, but do you think that poor White people in America realize that --
SPURLOCK: But it's not just poor -- it is middle class White people.
LEMON: And middle class White people -- that the unemployment rate among African-Americans, among Latinos, among -- they're higher than whites. Do they -- do you think they realize that there are other people who may have it just as bad or worse than you do?
BELL: No, because the whole country was founded on an idea -- like there are people who believe the country was founded for White people. I talk to some of those people in my first episode of "United Shades of America". And they believe America is supposed to be for the White people in this country.
[23:45:04] Now some people don't say it that explicitly, they say working class, or good Americans, or Christian, but I think they think America is for those people, and if they're not doing well, they're not looking into other people. They're not going like, we're all not doing well. They're like, if I'm not doing well, somebody owes me a dollar.
SPURLOCK: That's right. Not to mention all those other people who lived here long before all those white folks showed up. We kind of got rid of them.
LEMON: Why are you guys dis-ing White people? You're White?
SPURLOCK: I'm hiding. I thought I was hiding. I'm much more red. I am a bit of a redneck.
LEMON: Aren't you a California resident?
BELL: Yes I am, sir.
LEMON: What's going to happen there?
BELL: I think as far as --
BELL: On the Democratic side, it's going to be a very tight race between Bernie and Hillary. I think that, Bernie has said he's not leaving California until the California primary, and I think there are a lot of people -- (laughter)
LEMON: Bernie Sanders is like, and I am telling you --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He went to a Warriors game.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He's our dream guy.
LEMON: "Inside Man" premiers tomorrow night. Let's watch a clip.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SPURLOCK: I'm in Las Vegas, the gambling capital of America. My goal for my week of professional gambling is to double my money and I'm starting here at the casino with $1,000 in my pocket in the hope that lady luck is on my side.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Any more bets?
SPURLOCK: And if she is, then what better place to start than with roulette, the game that's all about luck?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Change, 100.
SPURLOCK: I'm cashing in my first 100 and placing my green chips around the table in the hope that the roulette ball will land on one of my numbers.
UNIDENTIFED MALE: 27.
(END VIDEO CLIP) UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So I go to Vegas --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: See, it's that easy.
LEMON: I just watch, I'm like, I can't believe these people are just giving away their money. So you researched the secrets of high rollers, right?
SPURLOCK: Yes, we sat down with a bunch of rollers.
LEMON: Can you beat the house?
SPURLOCK: There are certain ways you can bet that will increase your odds, but almost all of the games are still structured so the house always has a small favor. The house always has a small favor in every game, from roulette to blackjack to poker, you name it.
LEMON: OK, you're up now. You go to, where, the northern-most point in Alaska?
BELL: He went to Las Vegas and gambled and got free drinks, I went to America's northern-most tip, barrow Alaska --
LEMON: Don't you know it's cold there?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, I know. And I hate being cold. And you know why.
BELL: They called it spring, but it was 15 below.
LEMON: All right. Let's watch, you're going to eat some whale blubber and stuff.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFEID MALE: And so this is the meat part. We cut them into slabs about this big.
BELL: OK. Let me try a little salt. As an African-American, we kind of put salt on everything. (laughter)
I'll try to put a little -- oh, that's a lot of salt. That's how my grandmother would have done it. I've never tasted anything like this before. You can really taste the meat.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
BELL: Now is this a whale that you caught?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The whale that we were blessed with last fall. The way we look at whaling is, we don't go out and catch the whale, we're blessed with it by God. A whale will offer itself to a captain or a crew that knows that will take care of it by sharing it with everybody in the community.
(END VIDEO CLIP) LEMON: Was it like salt pork, salt meat, or did it taste like chicken?
BELL: No, it didn't taste like chicken, it tasted like ice chips and blood and I'm still chewing on it a little bit. There's still some back there. I mean I'm very honored that he let me taste it, but I was like, yes, that's for you. But I was honored -- it was a big honor that he gave me some.
SPURLOCK: You're so lucky.
LEMON: Catch the season premier of "Inside Man" tomorrow night at 10:00 Eastern right here on CNN. W. Kamau Bell explores a remote Alaskan town with a booming population. "The United Shades of America", that's Sunday night at 10:00 Eastern. Why did you get the longer plug than he did?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He's 6'4". (laughter)
LEMON: Thank you, guys. Appreciate it.
Up next, world class athletes descending on Brazil for the summer Olympics and holding their noses in the waters off the coast of Rio.
LEMON: Summer Olympics begin in two months, and the eyes of the world will be on Brazil. But anybody getting close to the waters around Rio may want to look away and hold their noses. CNN's Ivan Watson explains.
IVAN WATSON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Athletes training for peak performance. Members of the German Olympic sailing team preparing for what will be the first Olympic female competition in this class of sailboat. On the surface, the view off the coast of the Olympic host city, Rio de Janeiro, pretty spectacular. But the sailors are trying hard to stay out of the water.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We don't want to swim in it.
WATSON: They say the bay here is terribly polluted.
You hit garbage out here?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
WATSON: What kind of garbage?
UNIDENTIFED FEMALE: A lot of plastic bags but training partners of us also hit a chair or some wood.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. WATSON: This is the kind of stuff they're talking about.
Look at this trail of garbage. Flip-flops, tennis shoes, blocks of wood on the surface of Guanabara Bay, very close to where the sailors and athletes are training.
Rio has been struggling with its notoriously polluted waters for decades. We caught up with the city's mayor at the opening of a brand new sewage treatment plant. It's aimed at providing modern services to hundreds of thousands of residents of Rio for the very first time.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you think the water is going to be safe for the Olympic athletes?
EDUARDO PAES, MAYOR, RIO DE JANEIRO: Yes. I mean, we had -- first thing, because where in Guanabara Bay the sailing is going to happen, it's the cleanest area of Guanabara Bay. It's the entrance of Guanabara Bay.
WATSON: But people who make a living in Rio's waters disagree with the mayor. We don't get far in fisherman (ph) Felipe Fernandes' boat before his motor stalls. The propeller tangled in a plastic bag. Travel a little further and we find this.
It smells awful here, and not just like mud at low tide, but something far more toxic, and the fisherman we're with says that this is basically raw sewage that has washed down out of the city.
[23:55:05] The untreated waste of millions of Rio's residents who do not have modern sanitation. It all drains into canals like this where local fishermen moor their boats.
How's the fishing?
We don't fish here, he says.
UNIDENTIFED MALE: (speaking in a foreign language)
WATSON: Look at Rio now, he tells me. We will host the Olympics but we don't even have a basic sewage system. The pollution here one of the sad realities facing residents and now athletes at these upcoming Olympics. But these German sailors say they're willing to risk these dirty waters for their shot at Olympic glory. Ivan Watson, CNN, Rio de Janeiro.
LEMON: Goodness. We'll be right back.
LEMON: So glad you watched. That's it for us tonight. I'll see you back here next week. AC360 starts right now. ANDERSON COOPER, CNN HOST: Good evening, thanks for joining us. A very busy two hours ahead, including Dr. Drew Pinsky on the test results confirming Prince died of an opioid overdose. Also, the UCLA shooter, the new victim found, and the kill list he had.
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