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ROBYN CURNOW, CNN HOST (voice-over): Ahead at the INTERNATIONAL DESK, in the U.K, cleaning out the cabinet.

In the U.S, Donald Trump narrows his V.P. possibilities.

And in Brazil, CNN runs with the Olympic torch.

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CURNOW: Hello and welcome. I'm Robyn Curnow at the CNN Center and it's out with the old, in with the new, as a recharged political era in Britain

takes shape.

Prime Minister Theresa May is making huge changes, gathering the team that will guide the U.K. out of the European Union. Here's a look at some of

the comings and goings today at 10 Downing Street, busy; also a lot of old faces are purged.

But one face we all know is back. In a few minutes, we're expected to hear from Boris Johnson; he's spending his first day on the job as foreign

secretary. Not always known for being diplomatic, Johnson is now Britain's top diplomat at a very sensitive time.

First for more on these shifting, sweeping changes at the heart of the British government, let's go straight to our political contributor, Robin

Oakley, outside 10 Downing Street.

Hey, there, Robin. We saw everybody coming and going out of 10 Downing Street behind you. But Boris Johnson, I mean, is this an inspired choice,

a Faustian pact or just baffling?

ROBIN OAKLEY, CNN POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, this has been a quite extraordinary reshuffle in its scope; it's been bold, it's been brave and,

above all, it's been risky, Robyn. because that appointment of Boris Johnson -- we have already had a French foreign minister talking and saying

that while he was a man who lied during the Brexit campaign to which he played a prominent part in getting Britain out of the European Union, Boris

Johnson, of course, is an attractive figure to many.

He's very charismatic, he gets on well with crowds, he loves a bit of heckling. He's a great showman politician. And the gamble is that he will

help -- because he was well-known across the world, better than most British politicians because of his role as London mayor, hosting the

Olympics, the idea is that he can be a positive force for the new post- Brexit Britain. That's if it works out very well.

But the appointment of Boris Johnson makes me think of when we bought fireworks when I was a boy and there was a little blue paper. And it said

light the blue touch paper and retire, because, if it worked, it shot up into the sky and you had got a lovely rocket.

But if it didn't work, it disintegrated on the ground and you all hopped around in problems.

That is just the sort of risk you take with Boris Johnson. He's been a journalist; he's said all sorts of things about all sorts of public

figures. He compared Hillary Clinton to a sadistic nurse in a mental hospital. He attacked Barack Obama during the Leave campaign for his

support for Britain remaining in the European Union, saying he was of Kenyan ancestry and anti-colonial, therefore anti-Britain.

All that kind of thing is going to provide any kind of problem for him in relations with the outside world. It's a big, big gamble -- Robyn.

CURNOW: It is a big gamble and as you say, he's probably one of the more famous, at least recognizable Britons on the world stage.

Having insulted so many world leaders and people he's going to have to do business with before, is he going to spend his first few months

apologizing?

But he's not the kind of guy to apologize.

How do you think he's going to move forward?

How is he going to manage all of this?

OAKLEY: He's had a conversation already with U.S. Secretary of State Kerry. And apparently the sorry word was not used at any stage in the

course of that conversation. I think he will try and charm his way through these situations and he'll say, oh, well, come on, old chap, you know, that

when I was a journalist and things don't really count the same way.

But I mean it is the most extraordinary political comeback. A week ago, we were all writing his political epitaph; we'd -- after his abortive attempt

to be the leader of the party and prime minister, we all thought he was finished. Now, of course, we've all had to revise new CVs for Boris

Johnson -- Robyn.

CURNOW: OK. And you saying that is quite something because you have seen certainly a lot of twists and turns in British politics. Robin Oakley,

thanks so much for joining us there outside 10 Downing Street.

As a note to our viewers, Boris Johnson will be speaking in the next few minutes and, of course, we will bring that to you live when it happens.

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CURNOW: And in the U.S. presidential race, Donald Trump says he will name his running mate on Friday; the Republican short list for vice president

appears to be down to three --

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CURNOW: -- or is it?

Right now Trump is leaning toward Indiana governor Mike Pence, that's according to a senior Trump advisor. Also in the running, former House

Speaker Newt Gingrich and New Jersey governor, Chris Christie.

For now, Trump is not tipping his hat (sic).

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DONALD TRUMP, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I'm narrowing it down, I mean, I'm at three, potentially four, but in my own mind I probably am

thinking about two.

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CURNOW: But Newt Gingrich says Trump is really only looking at two and that he's one of them.

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NEWT GINGRICH, FORMER HOUSE SPEAKER: In many ways, Donald Trump is like a pirate. He's outside the normal system, he gets things done, he's bold,

he's actually like a figure out of a movie.

In a lot of ways, my entire career has been a little bit like a pirate. I have taken on the establishment of both parties. I've been very prepared

to fight in the media.

One of the really hard questions he's got to weigh on the way to California is, do you really want a two-pirate ticket?

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CURNOW: Do you really want a two-pirate ticket?

I mean, what a question.

For a closer look at who's in this race for V.P, MJ Lee joins me now from New York.

What do you think of all of this?

I mean this has had the elements of Trump's showmanship.

Is he just stringing everybody else along and is there somebody perhaps waiting in the wing we don't know about?

MJ LEE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Robyn, I think today is definitely the big day, we expect the candidates to hear from Trump on his final decision.

I actually have some new reporting to share as well. I just got off the phone with Newt Gingrich and was asking him, well, how did your meeting

with Trump go yesterday?

And he said it was a very nice conversation. Interestingly, when I asked Gingrich, what discuss your gut feeling tell you right now, he actually

told me, I actually wouldn't be surprised if Trump ended up picking Mike Pence.

He mentioned the fact that Pence actually is substantially younger than Gingrich and that that actually might be a plus. So very interesting that

Newt Gingrich, on the day that he expects to probably find out about Trump's decision, is actually downplaying his chances.

He, of course, also said that he and Trump have been friends for a very long time and that, in some shape or another, he does expect to play a role

in the Trump administration.

CURNOW: OK. But we did hear Mr. Trump say he thought there were three, maybe four but perhaps two. So it's still very much a game. And Mr. Trump

is very good at stringing this kind of game along.

In terms of the speakers at the convention coming up, conventions normally very conventional, choreographed, this is going to be unconventional

because of who's not there, who's not speaking.

LEE: Yes, that's right. And, first of all, to walk through some of the people that are speaking, notable that Trump's children are expected to

speak at the convention. This is so significant because throughout the entire campaign so far, his children and his family have played such a big

role in all of the decisions that Donald Trump has made.

They have been at his rallies, they have been behind the scenes helping Trump making some of these critical decisions, including of course his

decision on a vice presidential nominee.

We know that the last couple of days his children have been in on all of the meetings in the last-minute tryouts and auditions that Trump has held

with people like Gingrich and Pence and so they have been a very big part of his campaign. So maybe not surprising that they're expected to speak at

the convention.

Some people that are not going to be speaking at the convention and not attending the convention even are former presidents, like President George

W. Bush, President George H.W. Bush will not be there.

We also know that Republican nominees, like McCain and Romney, they will also not be there. So in a lot of ways, this is going to be unusual, just

based on the people that will not be at the convention.

But I think Trump, even in the last stages of planning for the convention, is trying to make sure that he can fill the roster with prominent

Republicans who can boost his candidacy.

CURNOW: MJ Lee in New York, thanks so much.

LEE: Thanks.

CURNOW: Well, Syrian president Bashar al-Assad is vehemently denying that his forces killed American war correspondent, Marie Colvin. Mr. Assad said

in an interview with NBC News that Colvin was in Syria legally and was therefore responsible for her own death.

Now Colvin had worked in war zones for years. She and a French journalist were killed in an attack on a neighborhood in Homs in 2012. Her family is

actually suing the Syrian president and his government, claiming they hunted Colvin down and targeted her in the attack.

And Syria's civil war has raged on for years. The fighting between rebels and the Russian-supported Syrian army in the city of Aleppo not far from

the Turkish border is especially fierce and prolonged.

Despite a nationwide cease-fire, thousands have been killed or injured in the siege in recent months. CNN's Nima Elbagir joins me now from Turkey,

where --

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CURNOW: -- in an exclusive interview, she interviewed a doctor who was in Aleppo to help the wounded and just managed to get out.

Hi, there, Nima.

What did this doctor tell you?

He was witness to this carnage first-hand.

NIMA ELBAGIR, CNN CORRESPONDENT: He was. He was witness to the ratcheting up of the aerial bombardment in the days leading to that tightening of the

grip of the Syrian government's siege on the city of Aleppo.

And some of what he shared with us is extraordinarily harrowing. Take a listen to what he described, the daily decisions that he and the Syrian

doctors were being forced to make look like -- Robyn.

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DR. SAMER ALTAR, ORTHOPEDIC SURGEON: We had to stop doing CPR on a child that was severely injured in order to save someone else, who was bleeding

to death, who we knew could be saved.

ELBAGIR: And the child couldn't?

ALTAR: The child could have if we had had the personnel and the resources. But when you have that many people who are injured, you have to make

decisions on who you're going to save and who you have to leave behind.

And those are not easy decisions, even the most seasoned doctors. Those are decisions that gnaw at you forever. But in Syria, those are the

decisions that these doctors make every single day.

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ELBAGIR: But to a certain extent, that carnage has almost become a daily reality in cities like rebel-held Aleppo. It is now the biting down of the

impact of this siege that people are really, really beginning to suffer from, Robyn. As Dr. Altar understands it, from those he's still

communicating with inside Aleppo, already there are concerns about fuel.

And if you can imagine how difficult it is to operate inside those underground bunker hospitals with aerial raids carrying on over your head,

imagine that, now that fuel is running out and the generators, the life- giving generators that support those hospitals, many of whom are now cranking to a stop -- Robyn.

CURNOW: Nima Elbagir, thank you so much for your reporting.

And you can see more of Nima's exclusive story on the reality of daily life in Aleppo, on "AMANPOUR." That's at 7:00 pm in London, just a few hours

from now.

"The Washington Post" is reporting that the U.S. is offering Russia a new proposal for joining forces against ISIS and Al Qaeda in Syria. It's a

pact that could drastically step up U.S. involvement in Syria.

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry is scheduled to meet in Moscow Thursday with Russian president Vladimir Putin.

Now joining me from our Washington bureau is CNN political analyst and "Washington Post" columnist, Josh Rogan.

So what is this deal?

Is the U.S. moving toward the Russian position on Syria?

JOSH ROGAN, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: Yes. So I have obtained a draft proposal that John Kerry is presenting to Vladimir Putin today in Moscow.

And the proposal lays out an extensive plan, proposed plan for cooperation between the Russian and United States military and intelligence services on

the ground, in Syria, primarily to fight against Jabhat al-Nusra, Al Qaeda's branch in Syria.

The proposal lays out the plans for a new headquarters that would be based in Amman, Jordan, where targeting would be developed; they would coordinate

airstrikes and potentially, if both sides agree, move on to what they call integrated operations, actually fighting together in Syria.

That's a wholesale change in U.S.-Syria policy; by focusing more on Jabhat al-Nusra and taking pressure off the Assad regime, it's also a wholesale

change in U.S.-Russia policy because it gives Russia what they have long wanted: military cooperation with the United States and an end to their

international isolation.

It remains to be seen whether or not Putin will, A, accept the deal and, B, live up to his end of the bargain.

CURNOW: I mean, there are lots of things really to unpack about this. But also aligning it seems like the U.S., from what I understand from your

reporting, is also aligning itself in terms of Russia's position on Syrian rebels as well.

ROGAN: It seems that way. Now there's a huge split inside the Obama administration between those officials who want to increase support for

non-terrorist Syrian rebels -- those are any rebels that are not designated as terrorists by the United Nations.

The White House, led by President Obama personally on this issue, along with John Kerry, is now proposing moving that to an increased focus on

attacking Al-Nusra which will essentially yield ground to the Assad regime and put those very rebels in a much weakened position.

So this split has been raging for a long time inside the U.S. government. The president has now made this proposal; if it goes forward, it would mean

potentially huge remaining advances, especially in the areas of Aleppo and Idlib and it could mean that the Syrian opposition that's been supported by

the United States and its allies over the last few years could be in a much worse situation.

CURNOW: So this then is a --

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CURNOW: -- back-pedaling, at least on the statements that Assad has to go.

Is there more than coordination in terms of focusing on ISIS?

And also what does the Pentagon have to say about all of this?

ROGAN: The Pentagon was opposed to this plan internally, mostly because they see Russia as a greater threat to the United States than the White

House does. But they were eventually forced to sign off.

As for whether it's a back-pedaling, it's really an acknowledgement that U.S. efforts to encourage Assad's ouster have failed. I mean, the deadline

for establishing a transitional government in two weeks is not going to happen.

And under this document, there's no talk of Geneva communique or the ongoing peace process that the U.S. has been touting for over three years

now. It talks about working with the Russians and the Assad regime to agree on a political process forward.

But it didn't really have any mechanisms to advance that process. It's really an acknowledgement of the reality of the situation and reality that

is that Assad is not going anywhere anytime soon.

CURNOW: Yes, keep us posted on what else you hear, Josh Rogan there, appreciate it.

Police in Southern Italy say three railway workers are now under investigation in the train crash that killed 23 people on Wednesday.

Funerals are to begin Saturday; 50 people were injured, eight of them critically. The three workers under investigation are suspended and

authorities are trying to determine whether the crash was caused by human error.

Still on the INTERNATIONAL DESK, the economic crisis in Venezuela is becoming increasingly desperate. How it's left some of the country's

youngest struggling to survive.

And also an inspiring story of survival: how one woman is leading the fight against sex trafficking after falling victim to it. Stay with us.

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CURNOW: A survivor of human trafficking is now teaching others how to spot signs of the illegal trade. She's working with police in Canada. Our

Clare Sebastian has her story in this installment of CNN's Freedom Project.

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TIMEA NAGY, SEX TRAFFICKING SURVIVOR (voice-over): My life was ticking away from me.

CLARE SEBASTIAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): When she turned 30, Timea Nagy got a tattoo of the letters "YYZ" on her shoulder, the code for

Toronto Pearson International Airport.

NAGY (voice-over): I traveled through the airport every single time I go through. There isn't a moment when I don't think about what happened when

I came. Not once.

SEBASTIAN (voice-over): It's a symbol of the two Torontos she now inhabits, the city where she found herself forced into the sex trade at the

age of 19 and where, almost two decades, later she helps lead the fight against human trafficking.

NAGY (voice-over): My club where I was kept the second time.

SEBASTIAN (voice-over): For two days, Timea Nagy is letting us into her life on both sides of her city. And it's --

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SEBASTIAN (voice-over): -- hectic. Her first meeting is with police sergeant Ron Kapuscinski (ph), who leads one of the city's dedicated human

trafficking units.

Her self-esteem is exceptionally low.

SEBASTIAN (voice-over): He and his team need her advice on a victim they're trying to help.

Over the past six years, Nagy has trained 14,000 police officers how to spot the signs of human trafficking.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We had no idea, she educated us on what we were seeing and, at the time we had no specific unit that was directly in charge or

specifically dealt with human trafficking incidents.

NAGY: You guys actually went to pick her up from --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (voice-over): And she really did change the way our police service looked at and investigated human trafficking occurrences.

SEBASTIAN: So we're heading now to the motel where Timea Nagy was taken when she first arrived in Canada. This will only be the second time that

she's been back there in 18 years.

NAGY: So that's the entrance and that's --

SEBASTIAN (voice-over): It's a place that has come to signify just how important her work with police is, after a chance encounter at a training

session.

NAGY: It was about three years ago and I asked before this -- before the presentation if any of you seen a victim, (INAUDIBLE) hands up. And I

asked this gentleman in the back if he would share the story.

And he goes, no, I can't.

He waited until after everybody left. We went to the back. And he comes up to me and he was crying.

He goes, "I saw you. I was an undercover officer. I was put in -- right by your motel to watch for three months for drug operations. I watched you

coming and going out of that motel.

"How would I know?

"How was I supposed to know?"

My heart just sank.

SEBASTIAN (voice-over): In 2009, Nagy opened Canada's first-ever shelter for human trafficking victims. Last year, despite multiple awards and

recognition, it had to close because of a lack of funding.

NAGY: It literally nearly kills me every time I get a message from a victim where they say, I can't do without you. My quest (ph) is coming up.

I really appreciate all the awards. But I just wish that I could see all the sacrifice, you know, better lives, less girls being victimized more,

you know.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The resources given to the police to go in and do the initial rescue is so critical.

SEBASTIAN (voice-over): She's joined forces with Ontario regional parliament member Laurie Scott to help push through a new bill designed to

protect trafficking victims.

NAGY: What an honor to be here.

SEBASTIAN (voice-over): And in her whirlwind schedule, she's now tackling the private sector, teaching American and Canadian bankers to spot the

signs of human trafficking.

NAGY: We train them on when we see the certain transactions, what does that mean, why do you think this is human trafficking and what do you do

with it?

It's a huge breakthrough because bankers and financial institutions can play a huge part on fighting this crime.

Thank you for listening

SEBASTIAN (voice-over): It's this fight that has given Timea Nagy her life back and her adopted city.

SEBASTIAN: So coming back here now, 18 years later, do you have any regrets?

NAGY: None.

SEBASTIAN: None at all?

NAGY: None.

SEBASTIAN (voice-over): Clare Sebastian, CNN, Toronto, Canada.

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CURNOW: And on Friday, we'll take you to the red light district in Amsterdam, where a former social worker is teaching job skills to

trafficking survivors. She piloted with the anti-trafficking charity Not for Sale and opened a restaurant that teaches girls culinary skills so that

they can learn a profession and start to rebuild their lives.

One young survivor explained how learning to cook changed her life.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When I moved to the government shelter, it was difficult. I always wanted to kill myself. There was no energy in my

body.

Whilst there, I was asked about whether I wanted to go for training. I didn't know what Not for Sale meant but afterwards, I gave it some thought

and I said, you know what, I will just have a look for a day to see what it is.

I was happy there and, afterwards, I went again. I'm always happy when I cook.

CURNOW (voice-over): Hear more about how this program is helping girls reintegrate into society at this time tomorrow. It's all part of CNN's

Freedom Project series, which is airing all week on CNN.

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CURNOW: And the Olympic torch is making its way to Rio and two of our own intrepid correspondents are part of it, Arwa Damon and Shasta Darlington

are in the Brazilian city of Curitiba to carry the torch on a leg of its journey. Arwa now joins me from Curitiba.

Arwa, I suppose one bit of advice is, "Don't trip."

Please.

ARWA DAMON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: That is a very good bit of advice and I'm not exactly the most --

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DAMON: -- graceful of individuals but so far those who have been carrying the torch have been doing fairly well. So the pressure is on a little bit.

Now the torch is stopping along the way at these various different small events. It's buried somewhere inside that crowd. There are a fair number

of people out on the streets.

And I have been here for a few weeks now and, up until this moment, a lot of the Brazilians that we have been talking to, have been meeting, have

been fairly disappointed in the way that the Olympics has impacted them per se because they were really hoping that the games would bring about the

kind of attention and pressures needed for the government to make certain changes.

And we did see some smaller demonstrates happening when the torch first took off this morning. But by and large people seem to be out in the

streets. It's a fairly festive atmosphere, people really beginning to get into that Olympic spirit, the one that the organizers are trying so hard to

really push forward.

And you can see the flame there moving down the steps, out of the truck and it looks like it is going to take back to the road once again here, Robyn.

People along the way, some of them telling us that, yes, they had hoped that their governments would at least use the Olympics as a way to really

benefit the people of Brazil.

There is this sense that the government is trying to, at this stage, make the country look pretty for the tourists, make Rio look pretty for the

tourists that are going to be visiting.

But at the same time, others we've been talking to here saying that they're coming out because, at the end of the day, it is the Olympic Games and it

is happening in their country, Brazil.

And here in Curitiba, you've got all sorts of people from all walks of life on the street, parents with their children, people getting decked out,

really that sense of pride in the fact that, despite all the difficulties and the challenges, Brazil is hosting the Olympic Games.

The torch will be moving from here, making its way, winding its way to eventually end up in Rio. And the crowds are fairly sizable; security, of

course, of concern. And there is a decent security presence throughout all of this.

And you can see some people are getting decked out in their various different costumes as they come out and accompany this torch along the way

-- Robyn.

CURNOW: So you're not decking yourself out in various different costumes, Arwa, as you make that journey with the torch. We're really looking

forward to those pictures of you and Shasta.

Good luck.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (Speaking foreign language).

CURNOW: Thanks there to --

DAMON: You can see the torch just going by there; we're going to try to see if we can follow it for a bit longer, Robyn. It's because of this

massive convoy that goes after it with various different sponsors, other torch bearers, that keep moving down. They drop them off along the way.

Each person luckily only has to carry -- and I say luckily because we are going to be involved in this later -- for about 200 meters. But it moves

sometimes slowly and sometimes, as you can see here, fairly quickly. So we're going to try to catch it at another point -- Robyn.

CURNOW: Good luck, happy running. Speak to you later, Arwa.

Still ahead, an activist clergyman in Zimbabwe is once again rallying his supporters. Now he's putting even more pressure on the government after

his release from jail.

What does this mean?

Join us after the break.

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CURNOW: Hi, there. You're watching CNN, this is the INTERNATIONAL DESK. I'm Robyn Curnow. Here's a check of the headlines.

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Well, for months now Venezuelans have been experiencing severe shortages of food and other vital supplies. But imagine the helplessness of watching

sick children suffer and even die because they can't get the medicine that would save them.

Paula Newton has more on this story.

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PAULA NEWTON, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Like any mother, Lucera Rodriguez (ph) is anxious to be with her son in intensive care. You can

see it, how her touch so comforts Dylan (ph). And yet this mother says it's agony knowing that there is much more he needs that she can't give

him.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): At this point, things are getting worse and worse. We can't get medical supplies for the baby. We

can't even find the formula he needs to grow. Now we're making sacrifices.

I've been in this hospital for 15 days and have witnessed how children are dying every day.

NEWTON (voice-over): And doctors tell us that's a real risk for Dylan. He has cystic fibrosis. It damages the lungs and digestive system. Right now

the medical team works hard to expunge dangerous mucus.

But here in Venezuela, Dylan can't get the antibiotics or any of the other specialized medicine he needs to help him survive. But Dylan's not alone,

Dr. Nyadas Surbena (ph) says, standing by his side. Seventy percent to 80 percent of the medicines children need in Venezuela haven't arrived at

Caracas' pediatric hospital -- or anywhere else -- for months and then cancer patients are left untreated.

NEWTON: The sad truth is, pediatric oncology has been completely shut down in this hospital. Chemo is being done here but the doctors tell us that

the medicines are still completely inadequate.

NEWTON (voice-over): Six-year-old Gustavo has leukemia but instead of intensive therapy, his is sporadic. His mother, Gabriela Mota (ph) worries

about when he'll have his next chemo treatment, having already seen four children die without it.

"I don't know whose fault it is," she explains, "if it's the government or the opposition or XYZ, I don't know. It's sad for us to suffer, for

whoever did this to our children."

NEWTON: Do you have any doubt that children are dying because these medicines -- ?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, of course, totally. We have intensive care unit, it's about 10 beds, we only are working with four.

NEWTON: Why?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That means -- because we don't have medical supplies. We don't have enough nurses.

We have to work in these conditions.

NEWTON (voice-over): Dr. Urbina (ph) takes us to ICU and shows us the leaks, the mold, the derelict conditions.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you will see this area, four years ago, there was a fire.

NEWTON (voice-over): Four years: still, this wing hasn't been rebuilt. You can see why Dr. Urbina (ph) says most days he and his colleagues feel

they are practicing wartime medicine: shattered wards, broken equipment, festering toilets.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have to deal with that because we love our children, we love our hospital, we love Venezuela. And even though this -- you are

looking at -- we have to work.

NEWTON (voice-over): Parents carry on, too. This is an intimate moment, as Lucera (ph) showers Dylan with all the love she can, still burdened by

what is not in short supply here: despair -- Paula Newton, CNN, Caracas.

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CURNOW: Hard to watch, thanks to Paula for that report.

Now a stint in jail isn't silencing a pastor in Zimbabwe. He's leading a protest movement against the government. The clergyman was released

yesterday; he was charged with attempting to overthrow the Mugabe regime after organizing a nationwide strike last week.

But a court tossed out that charge; now he's calling for more strikes and shutdowns. Our David McKenzie has been following this story for us from

Johannesburg.

Hi, there, Dave, we both covered protests and strikes, even show trials over the years in Zimbabwe. Often these things fizzle out.

Is this different?

Why is this different?

DAVID MCKENZIE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Robyn, it is different in a way because you saw those pictures that you're playing, of those people draped

in the national flag, standing outside the court in the hundreds, supporting Eben Muraruwe (ph). Now he is the pastor who started this

online movement, sort of #ThisFlag, that he put online, not expecting the response he got.

And it went viral, calling on Zimbabweans to get off of the sidelines, to complain, to stay at home, to strike, to do anything they can peacefully to

try and persuade Robert Mugabe's government to improve the economic conditions in their country.

What is different, these are a lot of professionals out there on the streets, they are Zimbabwe's elite that certainly will be racking the

Zimbabwe government because he was released on this technicality, because initially they charged him with inciting public violence, they changed

those charges at the court to a very serious treason-like charge.

And then the magistrate threw out the charges and released the pastor. You could see this protest movement grow; again, we have seen this budding

protest movement start in Zimbabwe before. But certainly this has a different dimension, I think, also given the dire economic situation

Zimbabwe finds itself in again now -- Robyn.

CURNOW: Yes, and I think from our perspective, because we both covered and been in Zimbabwe so often and watched the trajectory of this -- sad

trajectory of this country.

What's seems different about this is that the MDC, for example, the opposition party, isn't involved, there's not a sort of a party political

structure behind this. It's quite an organize uprising. And, as you say, the momentum has been gathering on social media.

MCKENZIE: Well, that's right. And that's what makes it unusual. And what I think is worrying the government, last week they had a stay away, because

the government is saying and officials are saying they will crack down with violence potentially against anyone who's out there, striking actively.

The decision was the strategy will be just to stay at home, to bring the economy even more to a halt, when it's already kind of on life support.

And that was a very powerful image, those images of empty malls, empty streets last week in Zimbabwe.

Now this week you haven't seen that same level of commitment from Zimbabweans. But what you have seen is this very vocal support for this

pastor, who's kind of an apolitical figure, as you say, not linked with any particular party. And it has kind of shown up the traditional opposition

in Zimbabwe and could potentially grow, very early days but it's definitely one to follow very closely.

Of course, the pastor could be arrested again if they choose to take that route. But it does appear he's got a very large following, at least

amongst Zimbabwe's city elite -- Robyn.

CURNOW: Yes. OK, thanks so much, Dave McKenzie, keeping an eye on things there to the north of Johannesburg in Zimbabwe, questions on whether this

is the tipping point. And of course what happens after Mugabe goes.

David McKenzie, thanks so much.

You're watching the INTERNATIONAL DESK, I'm Robyn Curnow. Much more news after the break, stay with us.

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CURNOW: Now a last look at the U.S. presidential race this hour. Republican Donald Trump will announce his running mate on Friday. And our

Jeanne Moos has her own ideas about how to best pick the right one.

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JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Since Donald Trump can't legally pick the guy in the mirror for VP, he may have to settle for one of

these three. So why not audition all three.

Let's start with how confident they sound saying this --

GOV. CHRIS CHRISTIE, (R-NJ) FORMER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I will bring you the next president of the United States, Donald Trump.

NEWT GINGRICH, FORMER SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE: The next president of the United States, Donald Trump.

MIKE PENCE (R), INDIANA GOVERNOR: The next president of the United States of America, Donald J. Trump.

MOOS: Hmm, pretty similar.

Jimmy Fallon has already predicted how the Donald will introduce his VP.

JIMMY FALLON, HOST, THE TONIGHT SHOW STARRING JIMMY FALLON: This next person will be a footnote in history at best.

MOOS: And which of the potential footnotes got the warmest greetings from the Donald?

Indiana Governor Mike Pence got a handshake, a free touch on the arm and a funny face accompanied by pointing. Newt Gingrich likewise got a

handshake, an arm around the back and a pat on the shoulder. But Chris Christie got a handshake and a hug. Advantage Christie.

Still, the acid test is the ability to deliver the Donald's core message.

TRUMP: We are going to make America great again.

MOOS: Though even the Donald's delivery isn't great when he is tethered to teleprompter.

TRUMP: And we are going to make America great again.

MOOS: So how do the would be VPs do when they --

PENCE: To borrow a phrase, make America great again.

MOOS: Mike Pence.

PENCE: And we can make American great again.

MOOS: Newt Gingrich.

GINGRICH: To make America great again, I'm going to be for Donald Trump.

MOOS: Chris Christie.

CHRISTIE: And I am confident that he will make America great again.

MOOS: The Donald has his work cut out for him, making his VP great at delivering his signature line.

TRUMP: And we are going to make America so great again.

MOOS: Jeanne Moos, CNN.

PENCE: And we can make --

GINGRICH: America great again.

TRUMP: Greater than ever before.

MOOS: -- New York.

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CURNOW: Now I want to take you to London, where Britain's new foreign secretary, Boris Johnson, made some comments a little while ago. Nic

Robertson was in the foreign commonwealth office, when he made those comments.

Nic, what did Boris say?

NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR: Yes, very brief comments, Robyn. He spoke about the speech that he'd given to the foreign

office staff this morning, those here in the building behind me and of course those in the embassies around the world, about 700 people, he said,

listened in. It was a Q&A session.

But what he did was he said he outlined his view for the future that he wants for Britain and that is to reshape its global profile, to raise its

identity. And he went on to say, you know, while Britain voted to leave the European Union, he said absolutely that that does not mean that Britain

is going to be leaving Europe.

He said indeed Britain would be enhancing, reinforcing, re-establishing ties with European countries at a sort of separate level, a country-by-

country level if you will. So he said that that was an important thing to bear in mind.

He also said that he received a phone call --

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ROBERTSON: -- from the U.S. secretary of state, John Kerry; he said he'd outlined these views to Secretary Kerry. Kerry, he said, had agreed with

him, agreed with the views about Brexit.

Secretary Kerry, we know from his staff, has said about the phone conversation that he had stressed that the way that Britain negotiates

carefully, calmly out of the European Union (INAUDIBLE).

Boris Johnson only took a couple of questions but one of those, he was asked about his comments that he had made before in a newspaper about

President Obama, calling him part Kenyan.

(INAUDIBLE) earlier in the year and also comments that he'd made about the presidential -- Democratic presidential hopeful, Hillary Clinton. He'd

said that she was a nurse in an insane hospital. So he was asked about those comments. He sort of breezed over that. He (INAUDIBLE) --

CURNOW: And we have just lost Nic Robertson there, standing outside the foreign commonwealth office in London. He did manage to brief us on what

Boris Johnson, the new top diplomat for the U.K., has just said and he will continue to report on those comments throughout the day.

In the meantime, thanks for joining me. I'm Robyn Curnow. You've been watching the INTERNATIONAL DESK. "WORLD SPORT" with Patrick Snell is up in

just a moment. Stay with us.

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