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[01:00:14] DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR: Tough talk from Donald Trump. His vision of America, but will his speech unite the GOP?

This is CNN Tonight. I'm Don Lemon. Thank you so much for joining us. It is after hours here at the CNN Grill and it's packed and we've got a lot to talk about.

Trump's unofficial running mate is his daughter, Ivanka, introduces a candidate who speaks for an hour and 15 minutes, expounding on all his favorite themes, crime, immigration, terror, the economy, of course, and of course, the last thing, Hillary Clinton.

So let's get it right to my political dream team. Everybody is here. Are you all excited?


LEMON: The CNN Grill. Look at the CNN Grill tonight, it is packed. Do you guys know that we've been trending on Twitter?

People are saying ...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What's on that's about?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Good thing or bad thing?

LEMON: No, it's a good thing. They're saying the CNN Grill is lit.


LEMON: The kids are saying lit.

Let's get to it. Andy Dean is here, Ryan Lizza is here, Kayleigh McEnany, Bakari Sellers and Amanda Carpenter, good to have all of you.

So, let's start with the program tonight and then we'll discuss.


DONALD TRUMP, (R) PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: Our convention occurs at a moment of crisis for our nation. The attacks on our police and the terrorism of our cities threaten our very way of life. Any politician who does not grasp this danger is not fit to lead our country. Americans watching this address tonight have seen the recent images of

violence in our streets and the chaos in our communities. Many have witnessed this violence personally. Some have even been its victims.

I have a message for all of you that crime and violence that today afflicts our nation will soon, and I mean very soon, come to an end.


LEMON: Ryan Lizza, let's start with you. What did you think?

RYAN LIZZA, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: I thought that one, he's doubling on the exact same message that helped him become the nominee and that appeals very much to the base of the Republican Party. I was a little surprised that there was nothing new, that there was nothing that speaks to the independents and Democrats that a lot of Republican strategists thought that Donald Trump would move towards or try to find something new (inaudible)to Hillary Clinton. I was surprised that there was no policy specifics in the speech.

I don't know, maybe someone on this panel can inform me. I don't know a single new policy that Donald Trump will have to fix crime in this country, to fix immigration besides building a wall or to change course on our policy.

LEMON: So you thought it was a platitude?

LIZZA: No, not a lot of specifics in my view. And I think he is making a big bet on this law and order message. And frankly, crime is not on the top of the list of concerns of the American people. The two biggest issues are the economy and terrorism.

LEMON: Yeah.

LIZZA: Now, he talks a lot about the intersection of crime and terrorism, that's an important issue, but not much about economics. I'm a little surprised about that. And frankly, a fairly dark negative image, not the shining city on the hill that we remember the great Ronald Reagan for.

LEMON: That's what I want to ask Kayleigh about.

LIZZA: And not the -- one of the personality thinking, not the self- deprecating sometimes charming and funny Donald Trump that his primary speeches often had.

LEMON: But everyone says he -- they want him to be more presidential. And now he's more presidential and you're saying he's not that guy anymore.

LIZZA: No, I didn't say he was presidential tonight.


LIZZA: All right, so like I said, I always thought the speech is very dark and foreboding. LEMON: Kayleigh, you can talk about that, for the policy, did you

think he talks about policy?


LEMON: Was it (inaudible).

MCENANY: Thankfully, Ryan, we have actual numbers after the speech that we can go to. The CNN instant poll said 75 percent who watched the speech thought it was very or somewhat positive, very different than what the elites and the liberal media will tell you. Not only that, 56 percent said they are more likely to vote for Trump after the speech. Not only that, 73 percent said that this will take the country in the right direction, a mirror image opposite of the right direction-wrong direction poll, which shows 73 percent also thinks the country is heading in the wrong direction.

LEMON: Let me go through these numbers.

MCENANY: Under (inaudible).

LEMON: Let me go through these numbers. OK, here it is. Overall reaction to Trump's speech, 57 percent very positive, somewhat positive with 18 percent, negative effect, 24 percent.

LIZZA: I know, I saw that. I mean, look, one instant poll after the speech, I wouldn't like -- I wouldn't base my entire political analysis about how the speech will play based on one instant poll taken after.

[01:05:06] MCENANY: But Middle America has very different views, Middle America has different views than the elite.

ANDY DEAN, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: I'd say, I love (inaudible), but I want to know what like, the liberal elite media things, like Ryan Lizza is like a go-to guy. Because you couldn't be any more off base.

LIZZA: Andy, I'm giving my opinion. I don't think you need to attack a person. I don't think I want to go there, buddy.

DEAN: Wait, I'm not attacking you personally. I'm just saying it feels like the liberal opinion. That's not a personal attack.


LIZZA: What is the liberal opinion that ...

DEAN: The liberal opinion in that I watched across the network was -- it is a very dark speech.

LIZZA: But you think it was a positive speech?

DEAN: I thought it was a very positive speech. I thought it was a very specific ...

LIZZA: What did you think was positive and let's think about it?

DEAN: I thought it was very positive in the sense that Donald Trump treats the American people as if they're intelligent that they can handle serious issues, wait, wait ...


DEAN: ... with serious solutions.

LIZZA: What was the serious solution he has, seriously?


LEMON: Go ahead.

DEAN: He was very specific on trade.

LIZZA: What?

DEAN: And then he said, "We are going to crack down on Chinese intellectual piracy. We're going to crack down on the currency manipulation." He also said ...

LIZZA: Andy, that is not specific. That is a platitude.

DEAN: How is that not specific?

LIZZA: How is he going to crack that? What is he specifically going to do?

DEAN: With China, enforce our trade agreement and punish people who break them. And also, he's very clear about this, one-on-one negotiation with trade deals as opposed to these gigantic deals where nobody reads them and nobody enforces them. He wants one-on-one country trade deals.

This isn't a personal attack. You're entitled to your opinions. God bless you.

AMANDA CARPENTER, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR : No, I just think there was a lot of content in the speech. There was some new details, surprising details. It's actually from Ivanka Trump who's wrote very liberal policies. We better stick to the Democratic Convention in terms of ...




CARPENTER: And there was a new policy where Donald Trump sort of proposed fulfilling the Johnson Amendment but it seems it rewards to right for supporting him, which is kind of a weird very transactional thing that happened in that speech. But more than that, how the speech played, I think there's a lot where his supporters will like. But the theme of the night certainly was anger. And anger can be a

motivating thing for people who likes what he says that I've noticed. No, but on the other side, I've noticed an anger among the people who were -- you know, people like Bakari.

Earlier this week, he used to be like, "Oh, yeah, we're going to take on Donald Trump." Right now, I get the sense they are stone-cold angry.

So, people are going to be very motivated on both sides. They're going to a very bitter place in the general election.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you think that this is a liberal elite ...


DEAN: I'm very confused when he talks about facts, that this country is having severe issues economically, with crime, with law enforcement, law and order, and life control, ad when he's being honest. He can see that it's very, very dark but he presents solutions.


LEMON: Hang on, hang on, I'm going to get to Bakari.


LEMON: Bakari, what did you think?

BAKARI SELLERS, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: I will have to deal with Andy and his loose term of facts in Donald Trump's speech, because I think we've been seeing a rolling fact check, whether or not we're talking about crime, whether or not we're talking about African- American unemployment, whether or not we're talking about the number of officers killed in the line of duty. All of these things, Hispanic unemployment, all of those things have been fact checked throughout the night. Many, if not all of them, have been proven to be false. But I don't want to get on that part.

I think that what we saw tonight was very dangerous. I thought we saw nationalists take a very, very scary turn. I thought you saw Donald Trump pit groups of people against each other. I thought you saw one of the most defensive speeches you've seen since probably 1968. I thought you saw Donald Trump try to pit African-Americans against Hispanics. I thought you saw Donald Trump trying to have this ...

CARPENTER: This is not something to laugh off.

SELLERS: Yeah, it's not something to laugh off.

CARPENTER: That didn't happen. What I heard is ...

SELLERS: It's my thought. Because maybe you didn't hear this, but the dog -- maybe you don't hear the dog whistles that Donald Trump puts out and that is quite possible. Because what we heard tonight is that you should fear Muslims, you should fear Hispanics and you should fear African-Americans.

Because what I did not hear was one positive story ...


SELLERS: ... I didn't hear one positive story about an African- American in his speech tonight, other than the fact that he committed a lot of crimes over the throne of commonality. I didn't hear one positive story about Hispanics today, other than they're illegal immigrants that commit violent crimes. I mean, that was the theme and that ...

LEMON: That's the anger that Amanda is talking about, right? Is that the anger that you're talking about? Go ahead.

CARPENTER: Exactly. Donald Trump serves up the people on his side, gets them excited. He stirs up the people on the other side and gets them angry, angry, angry.

MCENANY: That's simply not true because in the speech, what we heard is they were Republican candidates, mentioned the LGBT community and also mentioned the evangelicals. We saw him talk about fighting for you, fighting together. That was the theme of the speech.

And I love that we have numbers and focus groups that completely contradicts ...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But if you talk about ...


SELLERS: But I'm not spinning anything.

MCENANY: You are.

SELLERS: How am I ...

MCENANY: How did he pit ...


SELLERS: All you have to do is look at the fact that he picked out groups of people, he picked out African-Americans' unemployment and not only that, but he was incorrect.

MCENANY: Because ...

SELLERS: He picked out African-American crime rates, not only that, but he was incorrect.

He talked about the poverty levels of Hispanics, and not only that, he was incorrect. [01:10:01] And he talked about illegal immigrants as if they're just

prone to criminality. He talked about African-Americans as if they're prone to criminality. That is just ...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In that case ...

DEAN: Has illegal immigration can be legal by definition, that is criminal.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And exactly your question, in the last few years, has illegal immigration gone up or down in America?

DEAN: Say again? Has ...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Has the illegal immigration gone up, down, or remain flat in America last year?

DEAN: It may be flat at times.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's gone down.

DEAN: Yeah.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So it's one of the greatest ...

DEAN: It's gone down.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, no, no, no.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... Americans. Or in other words, it's not a problem that ...

DEAN: It may not be a problem to you, but people who live in border towns, no, no, people who live in border towns have not have their voice heard for the past seven years. So if it's black ...


DEAN: ... seven years, and yet a bunch of these local communities on the border of Arizona.


DEAN: This is a very real thing. The local budgets of the hospitals, local budgets for police because of the illegals, and the crime rates, they may not be skyrocketing, but the status ...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But not skyrocketing, not going up. The violent crime last year went up -- or dramatically remain flat or went down.

LEMON: Here is the thing ...


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, no, no, no, no, no ... LEMON: It is up. It is up. Hold on. It is up. It is up. And here is the thing. Crime overall has gone down. But what he said in the 50 biggest cities, homicides have increased by 17 percent.

DEAN: Thank you.

LEMON: Homicides increased significantly between 2014 and 2015. The killings have risen 50 percent in D.C., and 60 percent in Baltimore.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's not true.

LEMON: That is true. In D.C., it is true.


LEMON: But it's misleading because between 2014 and 2015, both homicide rates are down for the first half of this year. The killings have risen 50 percent in D.C., 60 percent in Baltimore.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Statistics or immigration statistics to exaggerate a problem, but overall, these are not the two great crisis of America right now.

SELLERS: I got a question for you. I got a question for Andy and Kayleigh. Even with that, Donald Trump said that on January 20th, 2017, order will be restored. Please tell me how he's going to be the law and order candidate and what he's going to do ...



DEAN: Kayleigh first and then I will answer.


MCENANY: How is he going to be the law and order candidate? When you have a sitting FBI director, sitting director of national intelligence warning us that refugees are being imposed -- ISIS fighters are posing as refugees, you have the president expediting the very program his FBI director is decrying, you have Hillary Clinton vowing to increase this program by 500 percent. I'm going to take the opinion of the FBI director ...


SELLERS: You're inventing crime on refugees? He's talking about inner-city violence and you're talking about refugees.

MCENANY: I'm talking about ...


MCENANY: ... Donald Trump, he has posed some problems, people don't feel safe. People are worried about illegal immigration, they are worried about terrorism. He's not talking about it in a careful considered way. This is the problem. We agreed, many of the Republicans agree these are the problems. But he talks about it in a way that divides and inflames ...



LEMON: Right after the break, live in the CNN Grill here in Cleveland. And it is a very ruckus night again. So, I wouldn't go anywhere if I were you. We'll be right back.


TRUMP: I have visited the laid off factory workers and the communities crushed by our horrible and unfair trade deals.

These are the forgotten men and women of our country, and they are forgotten but they're not going to be forgotten long.

These are people who work hard, but no longer have a voice. I am your voice.




[01:17:50] TRUMP: We all remember the images of our sellers being forced to their knees by their Iranian captives at gun point.

This was just prior to the signing of the Iran deal which gave back to our end $150 billion and gave us absolutely nothing.

It will go down in history as one of the worst deals ever negotiated.

Another humiliation came when President Obama drew a red line in Syria and the whole world knew it meant absolutely nothing.

In Libya, our consulate, the symbol of American prestige around the globe, was brought down in frames. America is far less safe and the world is far less stable than when Obama made the decision to put Hillary Clinton in charge of America's foreign policy.

Let's defeat her in November.


LEMON: Back with me now, that was Donald Trump accepting his party's nomination tonight. My dream team is here joining the panel, David Chalian, CNN's Political Director.

That wasn't scripted where he said, "Let's defeat her." There was some criticism earlier in the week where people were saying, "Lock her up (inaudible)." This was a moment that people found to be more presidential tonight (inaudible).

DAVID CHALIAN, CNN POLITICAL DIRECTOR: I thought it was one of the most fascinating moments of the night.

[01:20:01] You all remember the whole 2012 campaign, President Obama would go and speak and he would mention as a Republican Party because they'll probably boo, and he even say, "Don't boo, vote."

LEMON: Right.


CHALIAN: This is Donald Trump's version of, "Don't boo, vote." He took a negative energy in the crowd to make it a positive, "Let's defeat her in November." And, he resisted taking the bait with the crowd, which he hasn't done a lot of resisting that in the past when he's in front of a crowd like that. And I -- so I said, wow, that is a moment of a guy who is not very disciplined, who may be showing signs of developing and growing as a candidate, and I thought it was really interesting.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I hope so because if he really wants to be the law-and-order candidate, you can't go along with things to lock her up and prosecute your political enemies because you don't like the outcome of previous independent investigations. I hope that was a sign of maturity. We shall see. But I hope that was the reasoning behind it.


So look, I want to go through some of these polls and I have to say that these polls do not and cannot reflect our caveat here, and reflect the views of all Americans. It only represents the views of people who watched the speech. The audience of the speech is more Republican than the U.S. population as a whole, which is typical of the viewers at the Republican convention.

So, let's go through these polls. Overall reaction to Donald Trump's speech. We went through this and very positive, 57 percent, somewhat positive, 18 percent, negative effect, 24 percent.

How did Donald Trump's speech affect your vote? More likely to vote for him, 56 percent say they are, less likely, 10 percent. Not much effect, 32 percent. Does that surprise anyone?

SELLERS: Don, I think you said 42 percent of the people aren't moved much. Are there -- I mean, and when you're dealing with a overarching Republican audience, I mean, I think that you see what the results of that are. But the fact of the matter is that Donald Trump doesn't -- he has to collate the base, right, coalesce the base. But that's not how you become president of the United States, he needs to bring over ...


SELLERS: He needs to bring ... UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: These are speech watchers.



DEAN: Your glasses have empty got, 56 percent of people like it. I'll tell you why, Don, that the American public loved his speech.

LEMON: Because again, the people who are watching, they're mostly Republicans ...


DEAN: Remember over 20 million people, it's not all Republicans.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just like when we do an instant poll on the State ...


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... of the Union tonight, Republicans don't tend to want to watch Barack Obama's State of the Union, Democrats don't tend to want to watch these numbers, the Republicans ...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'll grant you that. I'll grant you that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It is a significantly skewed audience in terms of who watched ...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: With that legal disclaimers.


DEAN: I'll give you that caveat.

I think the reason why people are responding so positively, is that Donald Trump is often heard through a second or third party lens. That you hear him, that he is a racist or ...


DEAN: ... a womanizer or a homophobe, and you hear that by a third party on a local news broadcast or a 20-second (inaudible).

Tonight, they saw an unfiltered, from the heart, a speech that he wrote with a co-writer and they like that message.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, I want to talk about ...

DEAN: He's specific and he's a compassionate guy.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... the speech of the -- of work, because I do think he is trying to do a lot of things in that speech, he covered a lot of ground. It went on for a very, very long. It was kind of hard to keep following and following.

LEMON: I had sit down and my back was hurting.


LEMON: They were standing on the floor ...


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sure. But I think he was trying to cover up for lost ground over the last week. He was trying to throw out a little something for everybody, everything under the sun. And, in doing that, there wasn't a clear uplifting message because he was trying to check so many boxes. And I don't really understand why.

In the run up to the speech, a lot of reporters were saying, you know, there's going to be something for everybody and there was. But in doing that, there was no clear (inaudible).


LEMON: Earlier where Bakari said, he talked about everyone that when he talks about LGBT, said, you know, LGBT people died in Orlando, we have to stop that. But he talked about it in terms of terrorism. He didn't say, I ...



LEMON: No, we're talking about Donald Trump.


LEMON: Stand by. Stand by. We're talking about Donald Trump.


LEMON: Not Peter Thiel.


LEMON: So Donald Trump didn't say, "I stand by LGBT rights, I think that all people should be married." That it's what's right.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Please, grand us this, OK? When people -- Donald Trump is very specific, that the murder of those people doesn't know they're targeted for being gay, for being Hispanic. There's horrible ...

LEMON: He didn't say that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, no, no, no, no, no. That's a reality. I'm not saying what Donald Trump said, I'm saying the reality for -- Donald Trump said that was a horrible event and that everybody clapped and he said that the fact that the LGBT community was targeted is unacceptable. And then people stood up and said they agree with it. And Donald Trump, which is not in the speech, said, "I think it's wonderful that you're with me on that." I'm ...


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But to say that people don't need to be slaughtered is a ...


SELLERS: But to say that people don't need to be slaughtered is a ...


SELLERS: But that's what he said, though.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The most-friendly Republican candidate with the lesbian and gay community in the history of the Republican Party.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's (inaudible).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But, no, no ...


SELLERS: But you talk ...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I agree with you. I agree with you.

SELLERS: We're talking about a Donald Trump who gave that and then simply said you're giving credit -- and giving the crowd credit for cheering when people don't need to be slaughtered, should not be slaughtered.

[01:25:05] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's fair.

SELLERS: But when Donald Trump comes out and says that I oppose the GOP platform that's gift -- that puts a ban on same sex marriage, or that he says, "I don't ...


SELLERS: ... it's against the ban of same-sex marriage.





SELLERS: Which is actually in the GOP platform, then we have something to talk about ...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The selection of an openly gay wonderful billionaire is a big deal. Please grand that.

LEMON: But we're not talking about Peter Thiel. We're talking about Donald Trump.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Forget Peter Thiel. It's a selection.

LEMON: We're talking about Donald Trump's speech. Don't you understand that?


LEMON: Understand that. But that's fine, we're talking about Donald Trump's speech.


LEMON: We're not talking about Peter Thiel.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And Donald Trump's speech was very unifying. And this is the thing, Bakari graphed me a (inaudible) and I understand why.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... the polls we've seen, which did include some Democrats. He has few Republicans, yet includes some Democrats, probably a lot. Millions of Democrats, in fact.

But Bakari is upset and wants to nitpick little tiny things because the overall message is a winning one. I mean, her slogan is, "I'm with her." My slogan is, "I'm with you and I'm going to fight for you, and we're going to do this together and I'm here because of you." And talking in the first person and the second person, you're going to win it ...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you write this speech? Or did someone you know write the speech?


SELLERS: I think that the dog whistles that were in that speech weren't meant for everyone. And Donald Trump has become a master of dog whistle politics.

LEMON: I got to go to a break. Don't go anywhere. We'll be right back in the CNN Grill live in Cleveland.


LEMON: Back now live in Cleveland. Ivanka Trump addressing the convention in primetime in a primetime speech making her appeal directly to women to vote for her father. Back with me now, my political dream team, Kayleigh McEnany, Ivanka

Trump introduced her father. Really nice she said it was terrifying to think of giving such a speech. How do you think she did?

[01:30:14] AMANDA CARPENTER, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: She was fantastic. It was the perfect balance between personal but also giving her own policy prescription. It was really refreshing as Republican woman to see her stand up for a working women who want to work and also, you know, have their children at home. I thought she was extremely effective, probably the top three in this entire thing.

LEMON: Let's listen.


IVANKA TRUMP, DAUGHTER OF DONALD TRUMP: As president, my father will change the labor laws that were put in place at a time when women were not a significant portion of the workforce. And he will focus on making quality child care affordable and accessible for all.

As a mother myself of three young children, I know how hard it is to work while raising a family. And I also know that I'm far more fortunate than most. American families need relief. Policies that allow women with children to thrive should not be novelties, they should be the norm. Politicians talk about wage equality, but my father has made it a practice at his company throughout his entire career.


LEMON: David Chalian, how does she did, she strike the right tone?

DAVID CHALIAN, CNN POLITICAL DIRECTOR: Oh, I think she probably struck the right tone. I think she should be on the road for Donald Trump in battleground states, talking about young women, married women for the rest of the campaign. She's a really good advocate for him. It was -- sometimes unclear if she was with the Democratic convention with the Republican convention in her remark.

LEMON: It was funny because she said I'm really a Republican or a Democrat. And there were some people in the crowd that went like under depress.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That's the way you think of ...

CHALIAN: I mean, in that moment, if you didn't understand why conservatives have been wary of Donald Trump, it was very evident why some conservative.

LEMON: She's the polar opposite of her brother Don Jr.

CHALIAN: But when she said that she doesn't categorically belong in Republican or Democrat. She's also making a millennial play when doing that.

LEMON: Yeah. CHALIAN: And I thought that was a smart move for her to be as well.

LEMON: Do you think that she's going to sway over any women?

CARPENTER: I mean possibly, but she's competing with Hillary Clinton's agenda. If you are a woman voting on those liberal issues, you're most likely going to go to Hillary Clinton because she's proposed the same thing since probably much more generous. You have no idea because their actually have to have to those policies flash out by Donald Trump.

There's nothing very important to happen with Ivanka Trump in that speech. She transformed from just being a politician's daughter to being a campaign operative and now that she's on the case proposing liberal policies on behalf of her father. She should be treated like a campaign staffer, she should be subjected to introduce about this policies like a campaign staffer because that is what the family is acting as. I think they're going to pass this week but if they're willing to be part of Donald Trump's inner circle, advice with him.

LEMON: They have to.

CARPENTER: Yes, they need to be treated as that and not children.

LEMON: Instead of just softball interviews and soft lighting and soft question, do you think.


LEMON: What about Millennials, do you think she's win over any Millennial?

CARPENTER: I'm not because sure again, she's competing with Hillary Clinton on those issues and I think if you're going to go with Hillary Clinton rather than the daughter of Donald Trump. Well, Millennial.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don't think that she could raise a lot of the damage that Donald Trump did with his language and verbiage, the same type of using his own words against him that Hillary Clinton already put $100 million on T.V. with that. But that doesn't take away from Ivanka Trump did tonight. She was very, very good. She was the highlight. She was the -- all the children did well.

Ivanka was kind of like she kept building up, building up, building up each child got better. I think Barron probably would have been the only one on stage who can chat to Ivanka. But what she did do, when she gave a speech that was Hillary Clinton's speech. She invoked really lot better. She invoked equals paying for equal work. She talk about make sure you could care, you could pay for day care while you're going to work. But the most ironic thing about which is so Trumpish is that Donald Trump on his campaign pays his female staffers a third less than his men. And I just think that is so ironic.

LEMON: Do you know that for sure?

CARPENTER: No, he's comparing apples and oranges. Because there are men in executive positions. They do get paid more than the women. But they articular ...


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But Hillary Clinton also pays them the same.



CARPENTER: Not in the Clinton Foundation. We can go down ...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Now we're talking about the campaign.

CARPENTER: OK so we don't want to talk about ...


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, she's on the campaign and she believes in equal pay for equal work, she should take that campaign.

CARPENTER: I'm going to help you out because you clearly missed some really big facts like the fact that the Trump organization has more female executives than the male executives. Maybe she also part of this ...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We're talking about the campaign. Now that's not apples and oranges. So that campaign that she's on, she can go back to the campaign and say that women deserve equal pay to equal work.

CARPENTER: But the foundation she's in it has and the White House converts them paid men more than women.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But does the campaign matter?


[01:34:53] LEMON: Now is she worth going to go this evening and we're going to continue on with this. So we'll be right back, in Cleveland including our reality check on the most important speech of Donald Trump's campaign so far.


LEMON: A huge finale tonight at the Republican National Convention. Donald Trump speaking for an hour and 15 minutes.

And CNN's Tom Foreman has our reality check on some of Trump's claims about crime in this country. Tom, what do you have for us?

TOM FOREMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yeah, he said a lot about crime and is about fear of crime and about the need for law and order out in this world. Listen.


DONALD TRUMP, (R) PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: Homicides last year increase by 17 percent in America's 50 largest cities. That's the largest increase in 25 years.


FOREMAN: So what are the facts? Let's take a look at this. There was analysis done by "The Washington Post" about homicides in major cities. And yeah, look at this. Big jump here. They're showing it from 2014 to 2015 up 770 homicides. That's a 17 percent increase. Big numbers out there.

Now, a couple things we should note here. This is a difference from what we've seen for many years where violence crime has actually been declining. So sort of a blip and there's no real explanation as to why this is happening. But on that first claim, we have to say that this is true. But he went on and talked about other things, including the number of police officers being killed right now. Listen.


TRUMP: The number of police officers killed in the line of duty has risen by almost 50 percent compared to this point last year.


[1:40:07] FOREMAN: If you look very specifically at the number of officers shot since last year, the communities part of time, he's absolutely right. From last year to this year, it's up 82 percent. Here's a problem. The number of police officers shot in this country compared to the number of officers is still, fortunately, very low. We don't have a tremendous number of these terrible events happening out there even with these recent, horrible attacks. That makes these numbers changes easily. You get a few more and it makes a big, big different.

Plus, 2015 had a very, very low level of violence against police officers. So that makes this number jump. If you look at something a little broader, if you look at a ten-year average of all the officers who die in serving our communities out there, a ten-year average is about 50 officers a year die. And if you project it out this year based on what we've seen so far, it would be about 56 for this year.

So the bottom line is, we're going to say that his verdict around this, it's true it is up somewhat, but it's misleading because all those detailed numbers make a big difference and the impression that it's running wild right now in some different way, as horrible as all this is. This doesn't seem to be the case. That's why it's misleading. The bottom line is, before everybody it's work up and say, "Hey come you didn't covered and all the other things out there, go to our website, check. We found plenty, Don, that wasn't true, plenty that was and an awful love somewhere in between.

LEMON: Tom Foreman, that's why we love having you here to work with facts and not emotions. Thank you Tom Foreman appreciate that.

Political dream is back. OK. So Andy, there we go. We were talking about those numbers earlier. Crime in the 50 largest cities homicides are up, but you heard what he said about police officers around the country. It was very low last year, this year even with the recent space, so it's kind of on par.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, the ten-year average ...

LEMON: Yeah.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Any death of a police officer will circle in about 50. And now it's going to go with 56. that's a 12 percent increase. Murders in the 50 largest cities, up 17 percent. I think a lot of this has to do with the tone coming from the White House and if Barack Obama has commuted more sentences of offenders ...


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, I consider some, you know, crack dealing violent, in my opinion. But let me just finish this. Barack Obama has commuted more sentences than the last seven presidents combined. And the tone of that to our police is that the Barack Obama feels that the people on the street, whether they be committing violent crimes or selling rock, whatever it may be, that they may be sometimes the victim. And I think that's unacceptable.

LEMON: How many of those people that he commuted have reoffended?


LEMON: So you just made a blanket statement, about his ...


LEMON: But you can't say that one of them recommitted at front?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They had nothing to do with them reoffending it. To me that's like saying "What if they let out murderers." And if they murder anybody else that's OK.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nobody let's out murders. That is exactly ...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, it's not it's not ....

LEMON: But you're talking about how they're contributing to the crime rate. But the assumption -- no, Andy, I'm just telling you, the assumption is that those people that he committed that they're contributing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And now what I'm saying. My point was, it's the tone, it's a symbolism that commutes more sense since the last seven president combine.

One more thing and this is a little bit off, but hear me. Guantanamo Bay, the way that Barack Obama views these criminal terrorist, he them all out as if somehow they're victims. The way he views the world when they are people in Guantanamo, our people in federal prison and if somehow they shouldn't be there, that they're a victim of either circumstance or a bad prosecutor.

And that to me is dangerous. It's dissent grating to law in order. Plus guys like Bill de Blasio in New York getting rid of stop and frisk is another reason.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Here's one thing, criticism -- I'll be real quick. A criticism that I feel a lot of conservatives made of Donald Trump's speech tonight is that it came off as too authoritarian. I think there's a lot of people on the right who would agree with some of what you said.

But when you don't know where Donald Trump is going, when you preach about strength, strength, strength with no details about what you would do about with mandatory written them on sort of Guantanamo, when you create strength with no specifics, people get scared because they don't know where you're going with this message. I think that's something he really needs to spend a lot of more time flushing out with his adviser. To meet people more comfortable because people have no idea where there are going and knowing there confusion, people get scared and that's quickly resolve.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Our leader sets the tone but ...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yeah. And that's making people scared than agree.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think Andy was a bit irresponsible by saying Barack Obama somehow was causing more violence in the streets ....

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Setting a tone.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And more deaths of police officers. Because what we've seen is the FBI statistic whether or not you want to agree or disagree, with the FBI, that was a random statement by Paul Manafort earlier, but the FBI statistics show that crime has dramatically decreased over the past 20 years. And for police officers I just want to point this up ...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, I have another fact. You're misleading.

[01:45:08] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Under Reagan, 101 officers died, H.W. Bush 90, Clinton 81, W. Bush 72 and right now, Barack Obama is lower than that. So I want you to know that those numbers have dramatically decreased.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But here's what Tom ...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You can say, I'm going to complete the sentence.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is just terrible creating body counts.

LEMON: Let him finish, let him finish.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I know, but I'm just saying that every officer that dies is one too much. But to say that somehow the president of the United States is contributing to that I just think is a false narrative and I think it's dangerous.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Bakari decided that the FBI said that crime is down. Here's what Tom Foreman I assume would stamp that is true but misleading because the FBI also said murderers have gone up in 20 cities, in fact, FBI ...

LEMON: Hold on. Let me explain this. Overall crime is down in mid country.


LEMON: But in 50 largest cities, yes. Go on.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Right. And it has gotten so bad that the FBI director has had to answer questions on this very matter and he said, and I'm going to quote him, something is going on here. Those same words that Donald Trump uses, but these happening in the country ...

LEMON: The FBI director believes it's a tone around the country that police officers are phrase to do their job.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We can (inaudible) debate certain specifics, but nobody can change the fact that Americans do not feel safe right now. That 70 percent of American.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And with that do you think that Donald Trump make anybody safer.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That 70 percent thinks that another terrorist attack is eminent. We can debate facts for that, but you can't change feeling people's heart.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But Donald Trump is running out of fear. He's not making people feel secure, that he can be trusted. That they know where he's going, that is the problem. He's steering it up. We don't know where we're going.


CHALIAN: And I asked a question earlier because Donald Trump said on January 20th, I'll go back to this 2017, order will be restored. And I said "So what is the solution? How is he is the law and order?" And Caylee (ph) said stopping refugees, but that's not the answer to the problem. How is he going to stamp out crime?

LEMON: David Chalian, this is something that's going to be a big deal and will be handled in the debate, what's coming between these two.

CHALIAN: And what Amanda was just saying about the picture that Donald Trump was portraying and the fear factor, one thing now going into Philadelphia that is going to be really interesting to see, because Hillary Clinton is not known as like sunny business position candidate. That's really not her style. But with I wonder if she and the Democrats are going to try to adjust in someway off of his remarks tonight. But they're going to try to adjust to present a really opposite view point. It's not really been in her had wheel house. I'm curious to see if they run with that.

LEMON: We'll be right back. Live from Cleveland, right here at the CNN Grill don't go anywhere.


[01:51:24] LEMON: Right mention the Republican convention. Fox News has a very different, very big story on its hands. Its CEO, Roger Ailes leaving the network in the wake of a sexual harassment lawsuit against him by former Anchor Gretchen Carlson.

Here to discuss CNN (inaudible) and Brian Stelter. Also back with me my panel. This is a man Brian who built Fox News, and on the same night, you know, of this big story, sort of the crowning of the, you know, Republican candidate, we've got this with Roger Ailes, a GOP candidate.

BRIAN STELTER, CNN SENIOR MEDIA CORRESPONDENT: Almost unbelievable. You know, television and politics will not be the same as a result of what unfolded tonight. Donald Trump's rise and Roger Ailes' fall. Now what will Ailes do next and how will Fox change are two of the questions. But also this, he's been accused of sexual harassment by a number of women. As one source said to me tonight, this is a win for the women of Fox News. We don't know how many of them are alleging sexual harassment, but clearly Megyn Kelly and some others did. Maybe in the future, more women and others workplaces will feel a little more comfortable speaking out about allegation of harassment in their workplaces.

LEMON: (inaudible) you got to hold on his resignation letter, what exactly did it say?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, he wrote -- he had a resignation letter, he had also to say that he wrote to Rupert Murdoch. And, you know, what actually quite sad. I mean, what he did is he said, look, I created this network. We created this network together. And we made it the dominant cable news network, one of the most dominant channels on cable news television period. And he spoke to how he promoted a lot of women both in terms of talent and executive positions.

Now Obviously, he's trying to sort of shelter himself from the barrage of criticism that his got under is going to get specially for those detail.

LEMON: I can't stress how important it is, that these two events are culminating to together because as I said he's a GOP candidate. No one knows how this is going to affect the network and then -- affect the Republican Party. Because part of the reason, maybe the whole reason toward of network was to fight against liberalism.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, and to present an alternative to what they say is the biased, liberal media. There's a real chance that Roger Ailes will start working for Donald Trump now.

LEMON: Yeah.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It sounds outlandish but it's not. Actually people here at the CNN Grill, we're talking about that.

LEMON: That he might replace Paul Manafort on the campaign trail. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Or coming in a more, you know, informal way giving Trump advice. But that's a real possibility. You know Roger Ailes worked for Richard Nixon, work for Ronald Reagan. He's got a lot to bring to the table. And right now, he's wounded. He's fallen, right? He's been defeated by Fox. He's going to want some sort of revenge.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And I would say even more significantly to be some (inaudible) feet here. So much of what was said on stage tonight, so much of what Donald Trump has been running on for the last 12 months, that came out of a 20-year history of some of the rhetoric, of some of the culture wars, the divisiveness that was fostered at Fox News over a period of two decades.

And look, that's not a criticism necessarily of what Roger Ailes created. I mean that a testament, the amount of influence and power he had over an entire American political party. That's truly historic.

LEMON: Amanda, many said that Roger Ailes paved the way for a guy like Donald Trump to get to a place where he is now, at least politically.

CARPENTER: Well, the way that I see it in terms of this election, a lot of people, when they're running for president would think of things in terms of the fox primary, how do I get the best coverage on Fox News. Ironically that's not really a game Donald Trump played. Donald played across all mediums in the all cable media primary. That worked out very well for him.

Without Fox News, people seen that Trump played the game much differently. I anticipate that Republicans will follow the Trump model more and try to go more places like CNN without knowing how to navigate the terrain at Fox.

[01:55:10] Because listen, every smart candidate would try to get a meeting with Ailes or try to get a meeting with the executives to try to get to know him a little better, to find out what issues they cared about. That's just smart staffing, smart politicking. Without Roger Ailes there, nobody knows how the coverage of issues there anymore.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My opinion on this, it's very different and I think we're sugar coating this. His behavior is unacceptable. And I'll go so far, the way that all of these women have come forward, there's something wrong with this guy, seriously wrong with him. He's acting like a pervert. It's unacceptable.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He has denied these allegations.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And I agree, but it's might not -- should you write to look at the whole thing and said that there's something wrong with him. And I'm going to be very honest. And I think he's tainted goods, and he should not approach or come close to Donald Trump. The will be my advice to Donald. The way that his treating women is an acceptable and not want him near this candidate.

LEMON: He has denied it and ....

(CROSSTALK) LEMON: OK, got to run. Thank you very much. (inaudible) we'll be right back, live with more from the CNN Grill here in Cleveland.


[02:00:12] LEMON: The Republican Convention ends with fireworks --