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Aired July 27, 2016 - 02:00   ET



[02:00:32] DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR: And we're back. The Clintons keeping at all in the family tonight. "Boys the way Glen Miller played" that's what reminding off. Yeah.

Hillary Clinton officially becomes the Democratic nominee and Bill Clinton lays out the case for her. This is a Special CNN tonight. I'm Don Lemon. We're live at the CNN Grill. The Democratic Convention where Hillary Clinton breaks the glass ceiling as the first female nominee of a major party and Bill Clinton, well, he does what he does that's putting up the crowd with the speech that proves a big dog is back.

My political dream team is here. Let me introduce them, Ryan Lizza joins us. Peter Beinart this year, Kayleigh McEnany, Angela Rye and Maria Cardona. I promise you, we may be in a bar and Grill.


LEMON: I have not been drinking.

LIZZA: The last call has.


LEMON: We miss last call every night.

LIZZA: That what I said I got it though.

ANGELA RYE, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: There goes that networks that were do.

LEMON: President Barack Obama is going to speak here at the DNC tomorrow night. And tonight he sat down though with NBC news. Listen to this.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes or no, is it possible that Donald Trump wins the presidency?

PRES. BARACK OBAMA, UNITED STATE OF AMERICA: Anything is possible. It is in the nature of democracy that until those votes are cast and the American people, you know, have their say, we don't know. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are you worried?

OBAMA: You know, as somebody who has now been an elected office at various levels for about 20 years, I've seen all kinds of crazy stuff happen. And I think anybody who goes into campaigns not running scared can end up losing.


LEMON: So the president also said "Anything is possible" when asked in the interview whether the Russians could be working influence to the contest between Republican nominee Trump and Democrat Hillary Clinton. I want your reaction to that. But that's sounds -- that first answer was different than what he first said, because he said I think the American people are too smart ...


LEMON: ... to elect someone like Donald Trump. Now he's saying anything is possible. And now he's saying the Russians can influence. What's your reaction?

LIZZA: Look, it's a divided country. Donald Trump at his convention has managed to rally a lot of the disaffected or conservatives who were sitting on the sideline. He got a significant bounce out of his convention. You look at someone like Nate Silver who crunches the numbers all the time on his poll said this week that if the election were held today, Donald Trump would win.

And so, I think you're seeing that represented now in among the Democratic establishment that this is a serious race and it will be to the end. The country is basically divided.

LEMON: What about the Russians influencing?

LIZZA: I think that -- look, I think that's the most undercovered story of the week. And we're all focusing on these juicy e-mails from the DNC rightly so that's all we know. And what we can see in front of us but the fact that a foreign power is trying to influence an American election is extraordinary. And what I think is interesting which when we have a little bit more reporting and information from the American intelligence community about exactly what they think Russian intentions were?

Why did do this? Why did they steal from the DNC and not the RNC? Maybe they tried. Why was it released on the eve of the Democratic convention? And why are they choosing one candidate apparently over another in our election? I mean even at the height of the Cold War, I don't remember a foreign power, maybe there are examples I'm not familiar with but a foreign power using espionage to this extent. And this is like Watergate, right?

LEMON: Yeah.

LIZZA: But we're outsourcing but it's a foreign power doing this.

LEMON: Yeah. Let's bring to the panelist.

PETER BEINART, CONTRIBUTOR, THE ATLANTIC: Do you think about there were some scandals in the 1990s remember where, there were some Clinton donation, the Clinton campaign had gotten from the China. That was a very, very big scandal. But that with no one really claimed end of the Chinese government officially was going out there to trying to elect someone to change American policy.

We don't know that's the case. But it is entirely possible. There's a lot of evidence from Western Europe. Our former colleague Frank Pour (ph) has written about this. It's late that Donald -- that that Vladimir Putin has put in money to try to elect people in countries in Western Europe where he think will not take as hard to line against Russia. This would be consistent with his behavior and other places and Donald Trump has been remarkably ...

LIZZA: You said Donald Trump here you meant Vladimir Putin.

BEINART: No, no Vladimir Putin has a history of trying to do this thank you. And we know that Donald Trump has been remarkably soft on Russia, you know, from that complete rake over the Republican Party wasn't for.

LEMON: Go ahead Kayleigh.

[02:05:02] KAYLEIGH MCENANY, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: That is where a story of yes, Russia might have done the attack evidence points that way, that could possibly be true. But the part that starts to sound like a conspiracy theory is that they're doing this to actively promote a candidate. There is an expert on this program two nights ago saying, Russia has a history of just interfering in elections to say we're here. We're middle some. We're Russia and we're going to create havoc.

So to suggest that there's a motive on the part of the Russians. We can talk about that. We can float that idea. But to quoted as fact as the Hillary Clinton campaign did is just false.

LEMON: Madeleine Albright, I thought discussed this tonight. Let's listen.


MADELEINE ALBRIGHT, FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE: Donald Trump also has a strange admiration for dictators. Saddam Hussein, Kim Jong-un, Vladimir Putin. When asked about Putin, Donald Trump said, and "In terms of leadership, he's getting an A." The truth is that a Trump's victory in November would be a gift to Vladimir Putin, and given what we've learned about the Russian's recent actions, Putin is eager to see Trump win. And that should worry every American.


LEMON: So she's saying Putin has a stake in this, and it's possible.

BEINART: Look, I mean Kayleigh is right. We don't know -- there's a lot we don't know. We don't know why Russian has done it. But what we do know is there's been a dramatic shift in ...


BEINART: ... in Republican Party's position on Russia under Donald Trump. And we know that Vladimir Putin has a history of middling in other countries elections to try to strengthen Russian foreign policy and we know that it seem very likely they happen to the DNCs computers and there's no evidence so far that they did, they hacked to this the Republican Party.

MCENANY: But we secure our servers. That's something that Republican in pride we secure our server.

MARIA CARDONA, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: And agree that we have not been able to connect those dots, but Kayleigh one thing that doesn't help in terms of, you know, quashing the conspiracy theories that Paul Manafort used to work for somebody who was a pro Putin president in Ukraine.

And so, those connections, you know not that that connects the dots, but that kind of -- when people think about this, they try to connect the dots themselves.

MCENANY: Something a lot like I can ....

LIZZA: I will say...

CARDONA: No I'm saying...

LIZZA: I agree with Kayleigh.

CARDONA:...we haven't been able to connect the dots.

LEMON: You know that's circumstantial evidence.


LIZZA: Right if I will say, if the Democratic campaign were run, or the chairman of Democrat of Hillary Clinton's campaign were run by someone who worked for 10 years by pro Russian...


LIZZA: ... and to these in the Ukraine. If the Democratic candidate aides changed their party platform to be more pro Putin which happen in the Republican side and if the Democratic candidates condemns NATO, I think you would have a lot of Republicans saying, whoa, wait a second, this is a more pro Russian democratic party than in that the past and it's little fishy. Don't you think so Kayleigh?

MCENANY: No, because I think the Democratic campaign...

LIZZA: Really? Of all those tax code (inaudible) come on.

MCENANY: And also familiar right that they would take that and I think we smart if Rooby Mook to come out and say what he did, it change the narrative of the DNC leaks, which we're not talking about. But the Democratic candidate offered a reset button not easily to Russia for which they ignored.

LEMON: That's what we're talking about.

LIZZA: Kayleigh, that's part of it. That's what so, so people who follow foreign policy, that's what's so mind blowing.

LEMON: Right


LIZZA: That's what Trump is, wow, the Republican Party, four years ago. Mitt Romney got on the stage with Barack Obama and said that Vladimir Putin is the number one geo-strategic threat in the world. And now we're seeing a Republican Party that's led by a person who condemns NATO which is Putin's greatest enemy.


LIZZA: Who changes the party platform to be more pro Putin, in other words, they took out language that would have urged America to give arms to Ukrainians who were being threatened by Putin and if someone who says very nice things about Putin. So that is -- to a lot of people I think well, the Republican party is on the 120 on ...


LIZZA: At that well, the Republican Party is on 180 on Putin.

MCENANY: If they fine Putin I want the person who naively offered to me a button to reset relation that I took advantage of it rolled across the Eastern Europe.

BEINART: By the way Kayleigh, if you look at Russia today for instance, right?


BEINART: The Kremlin's, the Kremlin's TV network. They have been extremely pro Donald Trump. So I think we knew where so far we know where Vladimir Putin's sympathies actually lie. There is another piece of this still which is that Dash Marshall in talking finance by mass been reported which is that because not very many banks in America around the world will lend money to Donald Trump. His own son, he said that they have taken a huge amount of investment of money in from Russian entities and...

MCENANY: We don't want to get into that conversation where the other candidate taken money from Saudi Arabia, countries where women are still and they can try as you ...

BEINART: How do we know that it ...

MCENANY: You want to get into. Who's keeping money?

LIZZA: Well, I think Kayleigh said it just been. You know I think Kayleigh is right. Why do we know that?

MCENANY: Why -- how do we know she's taken money is?


MCENANY: The Clinton foundation.



LIZZA: But this is why -- Trump campaign should release its tax returns, but these questions ...


LIZZA: ... are not going to go away until someone sees those tax returns. Because this is the question people having now with this Russia stuff is, is there any financial ...


[02:10:07] LEMON: Well, speaking of that, that was a question that many people were asking me today like nope, there was no talk in tax returns. There's no talk of tax return. There's no talk of weren't they talking about how they're going to destroy ISIS, especially with her as a former secretary of state? Why was that not ...

RYE: Don, this is the first time -- I don't think that Democrats ever have a strong history of being message disciplined, ever. For the first two days of this convention, that is exactly what you've seen. So to Maria's point, it is coming.

CARDONA: That's right.

RYE: There is going to be a foreign policy moment. What you've seen over the last couple of days is someone who has fought for people in that trajectory. You saw someone who is you know a mother, a grandmother, people who work with her, Bill Clinton referenced the people she is known over the markets of that have paid their money to go campaign. That's we were building up. Right now its humanizing her. We're going to get all this...

LEMON: Let me get back to the president that we played in the beginning of the segment where he said it is possible that Donald Trump could win and you said the polling showed from Nate Silver, who said if the election was held today that he would win. Does that scare you that the president is saying, "oh my goodness".


RYE: Absolutely.

CARDONA: And you know what, Democrats should be scared. I have never bought into the narrative that this is going to be a cat walk that this is going to be easy. I've never thought this is going to be easy. MCENANY: I did it as beginning.

CARDONA: And guess what?


CARDONA: The Clinton campaign never thought it was going to be easy, either. And they wake up every single morning pretending like she has 10 points behind, because if we get complacent, if Democrats hear and see the ridiculous things he says and the divisive language that he uses and says, sane Americans, you know, people who have common sense will never vote for this man. That is how he wins.

LIZZA: One thing about the polls.

RYE: It's not just how he wins. It's not just Democrats though. I think to Maria's point in which she just mentioned that there are Democrats who are concerned. There are Americans who are a political who are concerned about a Trump presidency and the Trump candidacy right now.


RYE: This is something that we...

CARDONA: We need to make the (inaudible) in America.

LIZZA: Don, we say, we need to talk about something everyday, so a new poll everyday something for us to dig into. But look, Trump got a decent bounce. Hillary will probably is going to get a bounce. If she doesn't that's a big problem for her. Wait till the polls settle down in about in August.

MCENANY: That's they were talking better is that correct? Then we'll know ...

LIZZA:... And that's that'll be the important snapshot.

LEMON: Wait till you see who we grill on the Grill next. Will it be Kayleigh?

MCENANY: Probably

LEMON: Probably.

RYE: Kayleigh is our friend, we and I going to take...

LEMON: Well it be intakes for her, I know.

MCENANY: Not at all.

LEMON: All right, will be back. Griller, don't go anywhere.


(COMMERCIAL BREAK) [02:16:23] LEMON: History being made tonight in Philadelphia the Democratic National Convention. Hillary Clinton the first woman nominated to head a major party ticket. Back with me is my Ryan Lizza, Washington correspondent for the New Yorker, Political commentator Peter Beinart our contributor to the Atlantic, Kayleigh McEnany a Trump supporter, Political Commentator Angela Rye and Democratic Strategist Maria Cardona.

Did you guys happen to catch Bernie Sanders in the crowd today?

RYE: Yes.


BEINART: Yeah, I saw him, yeah.

CARDONA: I was in the District of Columbia delegate section. He was right above us.

LEMON: OK, let's see, well, he made history today. He did what ...


LEMON: ... I guess most people who was here at this convention was hoping he would do. Watch this.


SEN. BERNIE SANDERS, (D) FORMER US PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Madame Chair, I move that the convention suspend the procedural rules. I move that all votes, all votes cast by delegates be reflected in the official record, and I move that Hillary Clinton be selected as the nominee of the Democratic Party for president of the United States.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank you, Senator Sanders.


LEMON: And he literally dropped the mike at left.

BEINART: Out of there.

LEMON: He's out of there. So it was official then.


LEMON: And he didn't come to the Democratic Convention and pull at Ted Cruz.

LIZZA: No, he didn't. Did he -- I mean, I guess some of them.

LEMON: That's the thing now.


LIZZA: They even and do it Ted Cruz including Charlie Nelson. Who was on stage earlier then went out with the protester. I don't know if you call that, what is weird is in the hall, he went over the top with I think South Dakota.



LIZZA: And in the hall nobody really acknowledged that.

LEMON: Nobody knew, yeah

LIZZA: But if you're watching at home you saw it tonight.

LEMON: They have like he's already won and then they had this whole big thing with him.

LIZZA: But I will tell you I was interviewing the Vermont delegates about 6:00 before they went on. They were distraught. The woman, the girl who was just over his shoulder on the right was actually supposed to speak and then Sanders still instead. She told me that she was just sort getting around the idea of perhaps supporting Hillary Clinton in the general.

Two other delegates from Vermont, hard-core Sanders supporters said they think would probably be in tears because they were responsible for putting Hillary over the top. I mean look, that's Vermont. That's space those are his hardest core supporters. But it was hard to find someone in that Vermont delegation who wasn't Bernie Sanders that was excited about Hillary Clinton.

LEMON: I don't understand this. Isn't that kind of the whole definition of politics is like you're not the one who wins ...


BEINART: It's very good piece. Sorry. Go ahead.

RYE: No, I was just going to say that it doesn't make it easy. I think that we continue to forget, because we talked about it on air so much like when are they going to get over it? Again, this e-mail thing pulled the scab off.

LIZZA: Yeah.

LEMON: Angela, Angela. Angela come on, it's politics. It's not like it's a love one or route of that...

RYE: No, but it is not...


RYE: But Don, it's emotional.

BEINART: I think that it was very, very good piece actually in box about this making the point that a lot of the Sanders' delegates are not people who have been in politics very long. RYE: That's right

LIZZA: Or even in Democratic Party.


BEINART: They' re not people that's gone through this and so it had a heartbreaks before.


BEINART: They are activists, very passionate. And so ...


BEINART: They thought ...

LEMON: But if they're not Democrats, then what's the problem?

BEINART: No, that the point is that they have been ...


BEINART: ... process of basically losing and (inaudible) they're not as affiliated with a party is.

CARDONA: And think about it this way. Think about it this way. Let's remember, I lived this in 2008, I was one of them. And it was hard ...

LEMON: Until your heart get over ...

CARDONA: It is hard for Hillary Clinton supporters who had been involved in politics, who were party people. So imagine these activists ...

[02:20:05] LEMON: Did you move on?



CARDONA: It's very different.

LEMON: How long it take to move on?

MCENANY: It took me like a month.


MCENANY: The people have been making this analogy for a long time but it's very different because in 2008, they're establishing won, the system won. In this case, you had ...

CARDONA: No he didn't.

MCENANY: Most of you, they are the system lost. The establishment lost, it's easy to get over and come on board with party, you had the outsider win, which is Barack Obama. He is revolution.

CARDONA: It doesn't make it easy for the people who were campaigning for the other person.

MCENANY: And the story that's happening outside of the eight foot wall build around this convention is very different in to carefully choreograph even we're seeing with then where Bernie Sanders supporters were quelled, you had folks around making sure that they weren't protesting outside. There have been protests, there have been hundreds of Bernie Sanders supporters who ...

BEINART: Well, I cover it today though ...

MCENANY: And occupied the media tent for hours. There was a lot of ...

LIZZA: Yeah, I was out there in the media tent covering that. I took the six Sanders supported said, all right, it's Trump, Hillary in a general election, four said, no comment. One said, Jill Stein, the Green Party candidate and the sixth said, I would have ...

LEMON: Why can't they just be an independent national convention or the ...


LEMON: I just saying extra.

LIZZA: And to put it perspective. We're talking like ...

CARDONA: There is time between now and the general election. They need time. We will give them time. The majority of them are already supporting Hillary Clinton.

MCENANY: That's not true. Not true.

BEINART: Not, I'm sorry Kayleigh, not (inaudible) 90 percent of ...

MCENANY: OK, well then ...

CARDONA: That's right.

BEINART: Sorry, let me finish. 90 percent of Sanders' supporters say there was (inaudible) as opposed to only 80 percent of Republicans board of candidate, of been Donald Trump ...

LEMON: Go Kayleigh, go kayleigh.

MCENANY: Our CNN polls shows 30 percent will not support Hillary Clinton other polls show 40 percent, an MBC poll shows 40 percent from the few months ago but it that and that's completely reflective ...


MCENANY: I'm talking about CNN polls now.

LEMON: Let her finish, let her finish. CARDONA: And even if that's the case, it's very different. Even if that's the case, that's a higher percentage than Hillary Clinton supporters were going to -- were saying that they were going to support Barack Obama and they ended up supporting Barack Obama.

LEMON: Yeah, okay. We'll be back in a moment. We'll be back.


[02:25:35] LEMON: You can.


LEMON: Hillary Clinton smashing the glass ceiling to become the first woman to head a major party ticket. I want to bring in that just talking to me as I was (inaudible). Attorney Gloria Allred who is from California and my also my political dream team is with me.

I don't know if you were watching early but I'm going to play for all of you. This is Bill O'Reilly what he said about Michelle Obama's Convention speech where she discuss brazing her kids and a house built by slaves. Watch this.


BILL O'REILLY: Michelle Obama referenced slaves building the White House and referring to the evolution of America in a positive way. It was a positive comment. The history behind her remark is fascinating. Slaves that worked there were well-fed and had decent lodgings provided by the government which stopped hiring slave labor in 1802.

However, the feds did not forbid subcontractors from using slave labor. So Michelle Obama is correct essentially correct inciting slaves as builders of the White House. But there were others working as well.


LEMON: Well-fed, they had lodging.

ALLRED: Well, I mean, that is so disgusting, patronizing. Do you think that he would want to be a slave so that he could be well said and have good lodging? I don't think Bill O'Reilly would want that, no. That is just absurd. But what limit, did Bill O'Reilly say that, Don or was that Mr. Trump?

LEMON: Oh no.

ALLRED: Sounds like something Mr. Trump would say. Remember when he said my African-American? I mean, was that like property, like he owned someone as to that person was essentially his slave?

LEMON: No. I don't know. Well, I just say, maybe that person was well- fed. Will you answer this, what do you think of all this?

RYE: So, maybe it's time for him to go with Mr. Ailes. Seriously, I think this is not the type of rhetoric that is helpful. Shows like his and some of the conservative talk radio hosts are the reason that Twitter mentions regularly have the "N" word in them. You know, you need to go back to slavery, where you need to go back to Africa.

That is ridiculous. We are not talking about people who were living on a minimum wage, they were living on no wages. And that was such humbling and beautiful moment for her to say look how far we've come and he basically just took us right back there.

LEMON: When he did said that was a potentially a positive comment.

RYE: And then he went on to say they were well-fed and had lodging.

LEMON: Kayleigh?

MCENANY: Oh, this is the first I've even heard this comment, so I don't feel like I'm in place to make a remark about it but I will say I like Bill O'Reilly a lot. He's someone is really important to my party and I like him as a journalist.

REDALL: Isn't that how some of the plantation owners Don used to rationalize having slaves? They were really -- they're happy, they're well-fed, they got to roof over their heads so what's the problem?

BEINAT: I think what we're seeing here is the dynamic in which the, you know, the election of an African-American president, and, you know, the power that African Americans have, at least relative power they have politically in past years is producing a backlash. And that's -- This is what you're seeing in this kind of backlash.

The fact that the republicans have nominated a candidate in Donald Trump who is more crudely racist than any major party candidate we have seen in decades and decades is not a coincidence. This, if you look at American history, there are periods of progress and they are periods of backlash. After the Civil War, and reconstruction, you had a period of backlash. After the civil rights movement, we had a pair of backlash.

This is the backlash to Barack Obama. And what I'm afraid of, is we're going to see a gender backlash towards Hillary Clinton -- towards women if Hillary Clinton gets elected president. It is going to be equivalent to the racial backlash.

CARDONA: We'll take our chances.

LEMON: Yeah. I didn't see what the point of saying that the slaves were well-fed. I didn't understand I guess ...


LEMON: We have -- he did also said, slaves were beaten as well, he didn't say that. I don't know if that was to appease members of his audience. I have no idea bit it was an odd statement to say. They were still ...

RYE: What did he say about slavery ended in 1802? What he did, did I missed it? What is he talking about? What history class did he take?

CARDONA: I'm sure people, I'm sure he will say the people who criticized him were just being politically correct.

RYE: This is not politically correct ...

CARDONA: I know but that is -- but absolutely but that is what Donald Trump has now allowed ... $ RYE: I'm not going to push this. Just like we say, everything can't be at the feet of Barack Obama, I'm not going to rest this at the feet of Donald Trump, I'm going to rest this at the feet of Bill O'Reilly and Fox News ...

MCENANY: I agree.

RYE: They ought to be ashamed of themselves.

LEMON: Let's move on now and talk about the mother, said mothers in his movement they impacted this movement. They were very prominent. The mothers of Trayvon Martin, Jordan Davis, Sandra Bland after speaking among others speaking at the convention tonight. Listen.


[02:30:10] GENEVA REED-VEAL, MOTHER OF SANDRA BLAND: Now she is a leader and the mother who will say our children's names. She knows that when a young black life is cut short, it's not just a loss. It's a personal loss. It's a national loss. It's a loss that diminishes all of us.

LUCY MCBATH, MOTHER OF JORDAN DAVIS: Hillary Clinton isn't afraid to say that black lives matter. She isn't afraid to sit at a table with grieving mothers and bear the full force of our anguish. She doesn't build walls around her heart. Not only did she listen to our problems, she invited us to become a part of the solution.

SYBRINA FULTON, MOTHER OF TRAYVON MARTIN: She has a plan. She has a plan to divide that so often exists between law enforcement and the communities that they serve. This isn't about being politically correct. This is about saving our children. Hillary is one mother who can ensure our movement will succeed.


LEMON: Did they change the tone, Gloria, of this convention? What did you think of that moment?

GLORIA ALLRED, HILLARY CLINTON DELEGATE: I thought it was very, very compelling to have all the mothers of those deceased sons on to speak personally. Because I think everyone understands or needs to understand that when a child, when a son is killed or murdered, depending on what happened there are others affected in the family.

It has a ripple effect. It's the mom, sometimes the dad, sometimes brothers, sometimes sisters. And I think that's very important. Also, you know, there are many women in the audience. I mean, the majority of the people in the Democratic Party are women.

LEMON: Yeah.

ALLRED: And I think that they're -- they can identify with that.

LEMON: I think it's interesting that they also address police officers saying --

ALLRED: Right.

LEMON: -- that police officers should be safe.


LEMON: They were very inclusive.

PETER BEINART, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Right, I mean that -- I think it was such an important moment. I wish every American could see that. Because I think given what's happened in America in the last couple of weeks and the kind of public discourse, there was no, you know, there was no hatred there for the police at all.

It was about how to protect everybody. It was, you know, it was so powerful and inclusive. I thought they were an even better testament to Hillary Clinton than Bill Clinton. Because what I was thinking is Hillary -- no one could snow these women.

If Hillary Clinton wasn't -- didn't sincerely care about their situation, these women would not be there. You cannot tell me that these women could be snowed by a politician. The fact that she sat with them for two hours and they came and they're willing to do this. I think speaks very highly of her.

RYE: And they were in South Carolina for her.

LEMON: ... you're a champion of women. You're a Hillary Clinton supporter. What did tonight mean to you?

ALLRED: Tonight was -- it was a beautiful evening and for me, having been a women's rights lawyer for 40 years, for fighting for what we have always said which is, a woman's place is in the house, the White House, it's been a very, very exciting night.

Especially back here in my hometown, Philadelphia and we used to say that Philadelphia is the city of brotherly love. Well, now it's the city of sisterly love, Don. And we're showing the love

LEMON: You're from here?

ALLRED: I am from Philadelphia.

LEMON: Can I -- I love Philly. If I didn't live in New York City ...

ALLRED: Yeah I do.

LEMON: ... I would live in Philadelphia. I've lived here for three years during the last Republican presidency in 2000. And it's an amazing city and I think it's often underestimated.

ALLRED: It is ...

LEMON: It's out of the spotlight.

ALLRED: ... an amazing city. And I went to a public high school and it was the best education ...

LEMON: Yeah.

ALLRED: ... I could ever get. And for a poor kid from a row house, which is what I was ...


ALLRED: ... in a little area of Philadelphia. It was a great opportunity.

LEMON: Where did you grow up?

ALLRED: I grew up in Southwest Philadelphia and I attended Philadelphia High School for Girls in the University of Pennsylvania...

LEMON: What was the name -- my house is in Queen Village.

ALLRED: All right.

LEMON: The row between second and third.

ALLRED: So you know.

LEMON: I hear -- it's trinity because everything is on one floor of Father, Son, Holy Ghost.

ALLRED: Yeah. So I was 19. I didn't know anybody who lived in homes that we're not connected to other homes.

LEMON: Yeah.

ALLRED: Right, but the point is, you know, I think that the Democrats -- Hillary Clinton does understand what so many of us understand, that education is really important, and that can lead to opportunity and a way out for people who are in poverty.

LEMON: Thank you, Gloria Allred.

ALLRED: Thank you.

LEMON: Philadelphia native.

ALLRED: Philly all the way, cheese cakes and hot pretzels.

LEMON: Do you know or -- what's -- I can't ...

ALLRED: Pat's. LEMON: Pat's or Gino's, which one?

ALLRED: I take the fifth.

LEMON: And we'll be right back. That was a good answer.

ALLRED: OK. Thank you.

LEMON: Very diplomatic as usual.

ALLRED: I'm a lawyer.



LEMON: And we're back now, live at the CNN Grill, the Democratic Convention. Tom Forman is here with a Reality Check on what we heard in some of the speeches tonight. Tom, what do you have for us?

TOM FORMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Don. Well you know what we have Don, we have way too much to check every night with all of this. But here's one that kind of jumped at us, Donald Trump came under fire over 9/11 and the idea that he made profit from it and didn't really care about who was hurt. Listen.


JOE CROWLEY, (D) NEW YORK REPRESENTATIVE: Where was Donald Trump in the days, and months, and years after 9/11? He didn't stand at the pile. He didn't lobby Congress to help. He didn't fight for the first responders. Nope. He cashed in. Collecting $150,000 in Federal funds intended to help small businesses recover even though days after the attack Trump said, his properties were not affected.


FORMAN: They're tough claims against the businessman in New York. So let's take a look at it. First of all, this question of $150,000, yes, Donald Trump did receive $150,000 grant from the Federal funds meant to help businesses there recover from what happened.

He says the money was used to help pay for a building of his down near the property that was used by first responders and other people trying to help with the response. He says that actually, that was worth a lot more than that. But nonetheless that money was paid. So that initial claim is true but the broader question, did Trump actually have nothing to do with all this? Well, Trump said, did he not visit the actual site?

Trump told German TV just a couple of days after this, I was down there, and I've never seen anything like it. He said he had about 200 of his own workers down there helping with the cleanup.

[00:02:40] Former Mayor Rudy Giuliani said Trump did help with firefighters. He helped with policemen. He helped with a lot of first responders there and a lot of praise on Trump for the work he did afterward and his folks did to support things there. So that claim about Donald Trump, no, that doesn't pass muster. That's simply false.

This is just one of many, many, Don, as you know, our fact check team was kept very, very busy. You can go to our website and see a whole lot more, And we'll be busy throughout the remainder of this convention as well Don with so many things that need to be looked at.

LEMON: You're a busy man always and always or saving grace. Tom Forman, many thanks as usual.

FORMAN: Good seeing you Don.

LEMON: Now I want to bring in Jerry Springer. He is a former mayor of Cincinnati and the host of the Jerry Springer podcast on And he joins me and my political dream team here. OK, day two of the DNC. Welcome, by the way.


LEMON: Good to see you. Thanks for coming on. So what did you think?

SPRINGER: Well, I loved it but of course, I'm biased.

LEMON: Because you're a democrat?

SPRINGER: I'm a democrat, and I'm pretty liberal, probably more liberal than Hillary though I would rather have Hillary the president than Bernie Sanders. So it's hard to get an objective view from me because, you know, we -- so many of us tend to watch -- like to have people agree with our opinion. And that's what we tend to listen to and I think that's one of the reasons the country becomes so divided.

The conservative will be watching FOX and people on the left watch MSNBC and you guys too, kind of the middle. So, good for you.

LEMON: Yeah. We do.

SPRINGER: However, my impression is this ...

LEMON: Not kind of the middle but ...

SPRINGER: Yeah, OK. What upsets me just as a private citizen is, in my lifetime, it's nothing personal against Donald Trump. He never did anything bad to me but in my lifetime, this is the first time we've ever had a major party candidate run for president of the United States who opposes the idea, America.

America is the one country on earth that was created by an idea. Every other nation started out either as a tribe or a king, a dynasty, some empire trying to expand its land, be able to get to the seas. But America started out as an idea. And the idea was, as articulated in the declaration of independence, the constitution, the bill of rights and symbolized somewhat by the Statue of Liberty today is that, it didn't matter what your religion was, it didn't matter where you were from, who your parents were. That this was a place on earth that you could come and whatever tough times you have had elsewhere, here you can have some freedom, here you could grow and be whatever you wanted to be.

And now for the first time, we actually have someone who metaphorically wants to take the Statue of Liberty and replace it by a wall and the things he says about minorities. It's hard to deny that. So that's my first complaint about him. And the second complaint is, he has no business running for President of the United States. It shows disrespect for our country. And because he's never, ever run any kind of a government. Whether it's a village council, a city council, a mayor. He's never had to run a government that provides services for people.

And that's -- so if you want to go into politics, wonderful. Start running for the local council, do something like -- don't say, you know what, I'd love to be in politics. I have strong views. I think I'll be president.

LEMON: Yeah. But you were the mayor -- former mayor of Cincinnati too ...


LEMON: ... who knows about politics. People would say, what is Jerry Springer talking about? Who are you to -- but you said, in all fairness ...

SPRINGER: That's just my opinion but I shouldn't be president of the United States. There are people in my family that I love but they shouldn't be president. If you, god forbid, have to bring your kid to the hospital because you need some surgery and you go into the operating room and in comes the doctor, you want to know that the doctor went to medical school.

LEMON: Yeah.

SPRINGER: You know? It's just disrespectful to say, I can be president. I can run the world, holy cow.

LEMON: You said that -- you were talking about the difference between this convention and the other convention. You said that, first of all, you said it was a circus. The GOP was like a circus. You said, the RNC convention is just a parody of my show. Even the chanting, this is not how we run a country.

SPRINGER: Right and first of all, if they do my show, they should pay me. So that's my ...

LEMON: You're saying that the RNC is doing your show?

SPRINGER: Well during the debates, and I was kind of joking around because they're just going to get juvenile in there, fighting each other. LEMON: Did I read somewhere that you were advising him, is this not

true that you were advising him on how to -- becoming a reality star to a politician?

SPRINGER: No, no. Every time I've seen Donald Trump, he's been nothing but nice to me. And I worked for him when I hosted the miss universe pageant when he owned miss universe back in 2008 in Vietnam. And so I have nothing personal against him except, I don't like his views on race, and I don't think someone who has never held political office or, you know, should run for president. It's the most important job in the world.

We should have someone who has experience in that, not just ideas. Let him become the commentator then. If he reflects the people of angry people in America, that's fine.

[00:02:45] Then become a commentator and give your point of view and speak for them and he would get a lot of attention. But to be the most important political job in the world, please, have some political experience.

LEMON: There are a lot of people out there who disagree with you and enough for him to be neck in neck with ...

SPRINGER: I'm not suggesting people agree with me. I'm telling you what I think.

LEMON: Yeah.

SPRINGER: And, you know, I just love this country, and this is really -- it's the most important job in the world.

LEMON: You said, though, that you don't like his views on race. What are you saying? What about his views? Are you saying he's racist?

SPRINGER: Well, I don't know. I don't know whether he is but that's irrelevant. What he is saying though gives comfort to people who are. And put partisanship aside, if it's you and god alone in a room, you would not honestly say that the stuff he's been saying about Muslims, about Hispanics, about whether it's African-Americans, whatever the group is, or handicapped people or disabled, excuse me. Whatever he says about those things, he's smart. He knows that that kind of gives cover and it's code language, what do we say now, dog whistle, to people who believe that and he knows that.

And he damn well knows it. And that if was yelling at him at anything, I'd say, just stop it. Just stop it. That's rude, it's mean spirited, it is un-American. Don't do it. And it has nothing to do with being a Democrat or a Republican, a Liberal or Conservative. Even in the past Republican presidents and the past Republican nominees, they have boycotted the convention or the party. Why? It's not because they said they're no longer conservative, you know, why does George Will and Bill Crystal, all these very prominent conservatives, columnists and writers and thinkers, they're backing away because that isn't conservatism. It's just rudeness.

LEMON: Is it rudeness or is it bigotry?

SPRINGER: Well, it gives cover to bigots.


SPRINGER: You know, that's what it does.

LEMON: We'll be right back.



LEMON: Back now with Jerry Springer, my political dream team. There's a good question that Peter got on his tweeter feed. Who would your viewers vote for?

SPRINGER: The reason I'm hesitating, the quick answer, you know, people want to say, oh, those are Trump voters. But the demographics are such that a good portion of our audience are minorities, Hispanic, African-American, et cetera, so I would say if they were voting, that's the big, issue, I would say most probably would be voting for Hillary.

LEMON: OK. So Kayleigh, response, he said a lot about your candidate and...

KAYLEIGH MCENANY, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: I mean, I appreciate the way you passionately described the founding documents, obviously, you know, you love this country, no doubt about that. But I think there's a fundamental misunderstanding of Donald Trump on the part of the left because among the rights guaranteed in the constitution are life -- life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

And when Donald Trump looks at the world and sees the fact that three of the four terrorist attacks waged in Germany this week were waged by refugees. He says, yeah, maybe we should put a halt on this program until we figure out what's going on. When we see the problems of Islamic terrorism, not all people who profess Islam are bad but there is a segment of that religion who are and it's how we figure out how someone got into our country and killed 14 people on a K1 fiance visa, we have to put a halt to that.

So I think it's a misunderstanding and a simplification of his policy.


LEMON: You said the left but I see -- I saw Jeff Layton, who's Republican, today. He said the Bushes are not here. There are many high profile Republicans and people who've been influential in the party who are on the right who are staunch conservatives who are not.

MCENANY: Because Donald Trump ran against them. They have a beef with him.

LEMON: No but there are people who talk -- but they talk about his rhetoric when it comes to, you know, immigration, and those sorts of things.

SPRINGER: Yeah and when we have mass killings here at the schools, or, you know, these -- oftentimes, they're white Christians. So we're not saying ...


SPRINGER: Yeah we're not saying, no Christians in the country. You can't just ...


SPRINGER: ... religion because ...


ANGELA RYE, CNN POLITICAL COMMNETATOR: Well he said it's Muslim anymore -- it's not Muslim anymore. Now it's going to be certain terrorists ...

MCENANY: We don't have Christian extremists walking around killing people in this country.

RYE: No we do, Dylan Roof.

MCENANY: That's one example. We don't have ...


RYE: But really, there are several.


MCENANY: OK. You're reaching back to the '90s and that was not ...


Wait, let me finish. That was not -- because I'm very passionate about this. That was not a religiously motivated attack and every 84 hours somebody dies at the hand of ISIS. To suggest that Christian extremism or Jewish extremism, whatever you want to call it, it's on par with ISIS is patently absurd and not believable.


LEMON: There are parts of the world that where Christians are where there were atrocities that are done by Christians in other parts of the world that don't get covered.

RYE: I'm not even talking about that. I am talking about in South Carolina last year where people who looked like me were killed at bible study when they invited this young ...

MCENANY: That was horrendous.

RYE: ... white Christian in. Let me finish my point now. So I reject the notion that this is patently unbelievable and you're so -- let me finish my point. This is very frustrating, and it's damning of you to sit up here and defend that type of treacherous ...

MCENANY: I did not defend that.

RYE: What I'm saying to you is, you're trying to compare Dylan Roof's actions to make it seem like the ISIS attacks are something more imminent. That is imminent to me. That hit my community hard.

MCENANY: You are completely not understanding my point. I am saying there are not Christian extremists in this country. And ...

RYE: There are not Christian extremists? Do you want to look at my twitter feed?

MCENANY: ... that are on the same level -- excuse me. Let me finish. The irony of the situation you cited, the people who were killed and targeted were Christians.

RYE: I agree.

MCENANY: At the AME church ...

RYE: I agree.


RYE: Well I disagree with you. It actually is very good. It's actually true.

BEINART: When I talked to my children about this discussion about refugees and Muslims, what I say is, we were them once. We, as Jews were once people who were demonized, who were persecuted, people made up scapegoats of us (inaudible) and that we have to act exactly in this moment as if they were treating Jews this way because ...


BEINART: ... I know the bible too.


BEINART: ... says 36 times that we were strangers in the land of Egypt and that we ...


MCENANY: I appreciate your bleeding heart liberalism, I do.

RYE: That is not OK. That is not OK. That is not OK.



SPRINGER: Welcome to the Jerry Springer show. Come on out. (CROSSTALK)

LEMON: hold on. Hold on.

MCENANY: May I have 10 seconds? May I have 10 seconds to finish my point?

LEMON: Quickly, go ahead. Go ahead.

MCENANY: Your bleeding heart liberalism is what Germany did when they allowed so many refugees in their program and the irony is, today, Germany is having to reconsider their policy because they have had three ISIS terrorists posing as refugees who committed acts of atrocities. So bleeding heart liberalism has to be rolled back.


LEMON: Let him respond. Let him respond.

BEINART: The idea that because people like me remember when our people were persecuted, that we feel a sense of solidarity with others who are in that situation, that is not a bleeding heart liberalism. That's the history of my people.


LEMON: We have 10 seconds left. What do you say?

SPRINGER: Did you ever notice?

LEMON: Thank you, Jerry.

SPRINGER: Thank you very much for having me.

LEMON: I mean, I can't believe it's almost 3:00 in the morning and we're having these conversations. Can we all just have a drink after this?


LEMON: We'll make them open the bar. I am so happy.

SPRINGER: Can I come back some time?

LEMON: Yes. Please come back.

SPRINGER: This was great. You guys are great.

LEMON: We're going to see you right back here in the Grill. CNN Grill tomorrow at 1 a.m.

"EARLY START" with John Berman, Christine Romans right here in Philadelphia starts in just a moment. Thanks for watching.