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Is Trump Flip-Flopping on Immigration?; Ryan Lochte's Apology Tour; Louisiana's Governor Asks for More Help from Flooding; Violent Flooding in Louisiana; Suicide Bomber Targets Wedding in Turkey; Clinton Foundation Under Scrutiny; CDC Warns Pregnant Women to Avoid Miami Beach. Aired 4-5p ET

Aired August 21, 2016 - 16:00   ET

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[16:00:00] DANA BASH, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Kellyanne, let me just get some clarity since you were at this meeting. Does Donald Trump still support setting up a deportation force and removing the 11 million or estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants from America, yes or no?

KELLYANNE CONWAY, TRUMP CAMPAIGN MANAGER: So what Donald Trump said yesterday in that meeting differed very little from what he has said publicly, Dana, including in his convention speech last month in Cleveland. It's that we need a, quote, "fair," end quote, humane way of dealing with what is estimated to be about 11 million illegal immigrants in this country. That was part of the discussion. It was a very robust discussion.

I have seen him very animated in meetings like this, where he is learning, he's taking notes, he's asking questions, he is receiving information. And the rest of the conversation, frankly, was about job creation, economic revitalization, the fact that small business growth among Hispanic and Latino Americans is on the rise.

And we talked about the inability to get access to capital for many of them. We talked about homeownership as being very important, religion and family being very important to Hispanics. It was a very long, very far-reaching conversation. But nothing was said yesterday that differs from what Mr. Trump has said previously.

BASH: Well, let me play something from what Mr. Trump has said previously. Listen to what he said back in November.

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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: You're going to have a deportation force and you're going to do it humanely and very inexpensively.

MIKA BRZEZINSKI, MSNBC HOST, "MORNING JOE": What, are they going to be ripped out of their homes?

TRUMP: Can I tell you?

BRZEZINSKI: How?

TRUMP: They're going back where they came. If they came from a certain country they're going to be brought back to their country. That's the way it's supposed to be.

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BASH: So does Donald Trump still support that, a deportation force removing the 11 million or so undocumented immigrants?

CONWAY: What he supports -- and if you go back to his convention speech a month ago, Dana, what he supports is to make sure that we enforce the law, that we are respectful of those Americans who are looking for well-paying jobs, and that we are fair and humane for those who live among us in this country.

BASH: So --

CONWAY: And as the weeks unfold -- as the weeks unfold, he will lay out the specifics of that plan that he would implement as president of the United States.

BASH: Will that plan include a deportation force, the kind that he just -- you just heard in that sound bite and that he talked about during the Republican primaries?

CONWAY: To be determined.

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CHRIS FRATES, CNN INVESTIGATIONS UNIT CORRESPONDENT: Now questions about Trump's immigration positions coming after a meeting with Hispanic leaders on Saturday where he reportedly told attendees he plans to legalize millions of undocumented immigrants. Of course that would be a huge reversal for Trump who's campaigned on the idea of creating a deportation force that would expel undocumented immigrants from the country. But not everyone who attended that meeting walked away with the impression that Trump is open to granting legal status to undocumented immigrants.

One meeting attendee told CNN that Trump talked about treating people in the country illegally in a fair, humane and legal way, but he didn't interpret that to mean that Trump wanted to grant them legal status.

Now Trump plans to focus on immigration this week so we'll likely hear more directly from Trump himself in the coming days -- Martin.

MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN ANCHOR: You know, Chris, one of the things in that response there, to be determined, is an odd way to put it. You might say, to be revealed. But to be determined implies, well, we haven't quite figured that out yet. And that doesn't ring good for a person running for office.

FRATES: Well, certainly, you know, he kind of hinted the idea that this is still part of what the Donald Trump campaign is putting together and maybe that there will be new plans unveiled at some point this week. And that's what we're waiting to see. And certainly Kellyanne Conway making it clear that, you know, he's still talking about humane, fair and legal treatment, but to be determined really kind of leaves it up in the air about whether or not Trump still supports his deportation force or whether he wants to find some way to keep people who are here illegally, to give them some path to legalization.

Folks on the right might call that amnesty. So, you know, this is really something that I think we'll be continuing to watch. But the campaign does tell us that this week will be a week where Donald Trump wants to focus on immigration. So we expect that we will hear more from him directly a little bit later in the week -- Martin.

SAVIDGE: All right. We might get greater clarification. Chris Frates, thank you very much.

FRATES: You're welcome.

SAVIDGE: So what caused Trump to sort of go from forced deportations and a discussion on how to treat immigrants, and is he really softening? So let's bring in CNN senior political analyst and senior editor for "The Atlantic" Ron Brownstein and Washington correspondent for "TIME" magazine, that's Jay Newton-Small.

There are a lot of interesting -- what can I say, ways that people are deciphering what this motion, what this movement means on the part of Donald Trump. So, Ron, let me ask you first, what's your take? What's going on here? What's he trying to do?

RON BROWNSTEIN, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, first, if he did in fact abandon the idea of -- that he had Trumpeted throughout the campaign of forced deportation, mass deportation of 11 million undocumented immigrants, it would rank among the biggest policy reversals or flip-flops, if you will, from the primary to the general election I think in modern American history. I can't think of anything quite like it.

On the one hand, Martin, it is a concession to reality which is that even most Republican experts have been skeptical of the idea and the cost that you could really in practice remove 11 million people from their homes and from the U.S.

[16:05:11] And in a panel I moderated in Cleveland, one of the leading House Republicans said that if Donald Trump was elected president and try to do it, that they would try to stop it. On the other hand, it is worth pointing out that during the primaries, in the exit polls, one of the questions they asked was do you -- what did you want to do with people who are here illegally, do you want to give them some kind of legal status or deport them? And un virtually every state a majority of Donald Trump's voters supported deportation.

They were bit a majority of the party overall, but they're a majority of his voters. So this would be a significant reversal of a cornerstone of the appeal that he made to the voters that propelled him to the nomination. SAVIDGE: Jay, do you think this is really true? Do you think he's

really thinking of making this kind of seismic shift or are we just reading the tea leaves wrong?

JAY NEWTON-SMALL, WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT, "TIME" MAGAZINE: I think that he's trying to make a pivot to the general election finally, and it's been, you know, obviously a little bit too late. I mean, he should have made this pivot before his convention or certainly after his convention months ago.

SCIUTTO: Well, what's the pivot here? Where is he going?

NEWTON-SMALL: Well, so, I mean, it reflects essentially the fact that Hillary Clinton has run about $60 million of negative advertising against Donald Trump for the last two months and the main thrust of those negative ads has been his positions on immigration and race. And so -- and he suffered in the polls for it. And so now he's trying to soften those positions not just with this comment about reversing himself on immigration potentially but also saying he wants to appeal to African-Americans, and that he'll win 95 percent of the African- American vote which he said this week.

This is him trying to pivot to just -- not just appeal to white Americans but to broaden his base, which is a needed pivot in a general election. The question is, can you pivot that quickly with only five weeks to go before early voting starts?

SAVIDGE: That's a very good question.

BROWNSTEIN: Martin?

SAVIDGE: Ron, let me say this. Some have interpreted that really what he's trying to do is not so much reach out to a broader minority audience.

BROWNSTEIN: Yes.

SAVIDGE: He's actually trying to reassure the white audience he has. What do you think of that?

BROWNSTEIN: I think there's a lot to that because I think the conundrum that Donald Trump faces is that these racially barred messages and agenda that have driven up his unfavorable ratings among minority voters to unprecedented heights and leaves him, as Jay, you know, noted, is, you know, facing the prospect of historic deficits among African-American and Hispanic voters but the evidence is overwhelming that that's also hurting him with white collar, white voters.

I mean, the conundrum he faces is that when you do this badly with minority voters you've got to push up your white vote to unprecedented heights. The problem is, the same arguments that drive away the minority voters also worry a lot of the white collar white voters. So he is facing right now -- he is trailing in most polls among whites with a college education. No Democrat in the history of polling going back to 1952 has won most

college educated whites, and the big reason why he's trailing is because they view him as racially divisive if not racist. And so I do think that whatever happens, whether this works at all with Hispanic or African-American voters, a big part of the goal here is to reassure some of those suburban white-collar white voters who now view him as a racist, trying to get them to give him another look.

SAVIDGE: Jay, do you think -- you know, we talk about whether he's changing his message or his image. Is he trying to appear as the more softer, kinder candidate or is he really going to change his stance on this image? Which one is it?

NEWTON-SMALL: He definitely is trying to appear as a softer, kinder candidate. And if there's anyone who knows female voters, it's Kellyanne Conway. She literally wrote the book on women voters with Linda Lake, as the Democratic pollster, about 10 years ago. And so she is trying to some degree to appeal to female voters. And that's another place where Donald Trump has had a huge deficit and where he needs to really shore up the female vote -- the women voters have swung every election since Ronald Reagan. And the more sort of pugilistic he is, the more bombastic he is, the more female voters are put off.

And so softening his image, trying to almost apologize which is something else Kellyanne Conway did this morning saying he's sorry for saying these statements that people might have taken the wrong way. That's trying to appeal to female voters to sort of say, look, he's not really that bombastic, he's not really that aggressive. He's actually a good guy.

SAVIDGE: Well, it is recognizable change. Jay Newton-Small, thank you very much. Ron Brownstein, as always, thank you as well.

NEWTON-SMALL: Thank you, Martin.

SAVIDGE: Next, we move on to Ryan Lochte. He explains what happened in Rio, what he calls his over exaggeration. We'll hear from the Olympic swimmer about the night that has overshadowed the games.

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[16:12:41] SAVIDGE: Ryan Lochte going for gold in the 100-meter mea culpa. I love that line. The Olympian speaking out for -- it's really not the first time he's speaking out, but he's speaking out at length since the time he has alleged that he was robbed at gunpoint during a night out in Rio. Now he's apologizing for, quote, "exaggerating the truth." But he's stopping short of admitting to the accusations that he lied about what happened after the vandalization that took place at the gas station. Here's what he told NBC's Matt Lauer.

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MATT LAUER, HOST, NBC'S "TODAY" SHOW: You said at some point after you refused to sit down, the security guard put the gun to your forehead and cocked it. That didn't happen.

RYAN LOCHTE, OLYMPIC MEDALIST: That didn't happen. And that's why I over exaggerated that part.

LAUER: Why did you do that?

LOCHTE: I don't know why. You know, it was still hours after the incident happened. I was still intoxicated. I was still under that influence. And I'm not making me being intoxicated like an excuse. I'm not doing that at all. I mean, it was my fault. And I shouldn't have said that. I shouldn't even just kept like I'm not saying anything. But I over exaggerated that part, and the gun was drawn but not at my forehead. It wasn't cocked at my forward. It was towards my general direction. And as you can see in the surveillance, that's when my hands went up.

LAUER: You told me on the phone, Ryan, you said, we are victims here. We are victims, and we're happy that we're safe. In the police press conference they said not victims. They're vandals. How do you feel about that?

LOCHTE: It's how you want to make it look like. Whether you call it a robbery, whether you call it extortion or us paying just for the damages, like we don't know. All we know is that there was a gun pointed in our direction and we were demanded to give money.

LAUER: And that's a really interesting point. I want to take a little time on this. If I were to ask you the same question again right now and say, were you robbed on Sunday morning in Rio, how would you answer?

LOCHTE: I can't answer that. Because I don't know if -- because I was intoxicated.

[16:15:05] So I don't know. All I know is that there was a gun pointed at us and we were demanded to give money. Whether it was to pay for the damages of the posters, whether it was extortion or whether it was a robbery, like, I can't -- I can't -- I'm not equipped to tell you.

LAUER: Except I want to point out that gunner, in his statement to police said, at some point someone who spoke English walked over and offered to help translate this altercation. And he made it clear that this security guard was telling the four of you, you need to pay for that stuff, that damage before you can leave here, or I'm going to call the police. You understood that at that time, didn't you?

LOCHTE: Yes. Yes. So then we had to give the money.

LAUER: Right. So but at that point it's not a robbery. At that point you're striking a deal. You're striking a deal to pay for what damage you've caused so that he doesn't call the police, and this doesn't become a bigger incident. Isn't that fair?

LOCHTE: We just wanted to get out of there. We were held -- I mean, there was a gun pointed in our direction. We were all frightened. (END VIDEO CLIP)

SAVIDGE: That's uncomfortable to listen to. Joining me now on the phone from Rio, Christine Brennan, CNN sports analyst. I'm also joined in the studio by Carlos Scott, vice president of N-Vision Marketing Incorporated, and an expert in public relations for athletes and celebrities.

Christine, let me start with you first. The U.S. interview was actually just part of his apology tour I guess you could call it. He's also appeared on one of Brazil's biggest television networks. What's been the reaction down there to his apology?

CHRISTINE BRENNAN, CNN SPORTS ANALYST (via phone): Martin, I think most people are trying to move on from it. Closing ceremonies are in a couple hours, the games are ending. I think the Brazilians are pleased that there has been an apology. Obviously it was a long time coming. And I think overall for Ryan Lochte, clearly his public relations people did not take a page out the Michael Phelps' apology playbook because Phelps, of course, has been in trouble a couple of times. Both times the next day, within 24 hours, he issued a one- paragraph apology taking full blame for everything. The marijuana pipe photo in 2009 and in 2014 his second DUI and was suspended by U.S. swimming. Both times but got it out of the way quickly.

This dragging it on for over a week and still not able to answer some of the questions I think is just a public relations nightmare for Ryan Lochte.

SAVIDGE: Carlos, you know, from a public relations professional as you are, I said that interview was uncomfortable. What I meant by that was that you know what he has to say.

CARLOS SCOTT, EXPERT IN PUBLIC RELATIONS FOR ATHLETES AND CELEBRITIES: Right.

SAVIDGE: Just say it.

SCOTT: Right.

SAVIDGE: And be done with it. But he doesn't. So how do you think this has been handled?

SCOTT: I think it's been handled very poorly first and foremost by Lochte and as well as whoever his PR representatives are. And I was very surprised to find out that he had to hire someone, considering that he's an Olympic star for several Olympics. You would think that he already has a PR, reputable PR representing him.

SAVIDGE: What should he have done? What would have been the very first step?

SCOTT: I'll piggyback on what Christine Brennan said, and I agree 100 percent, the next day he should have --well, first and foremost he should have never even came up with the lie because it was -- if he doesn't say that, there's no harm, no foul, no one knows about it. But to deal with it from a -- coming back from that, he really should have owned up to it first and foremost. Second of all, not blame alcohol or anything or deflect blame on any of the situation. And then should have been there for those three guys that were left behind. I think those three things, for me, as a PR expert, those stick out the biggest.

SAVIDGE: How bad is the damage here for him?

SCOTT: I'll tell you, it's pretty bad and pretty much he cost himself millions of dollars. We've had situations, unfortunately, over the past where we've had to successfully navigate clients through media crisis moments and we were able to luckily in each time not only clear their name but also even get new endorsements, but it's because of how we successfully put together a team, put together strategy.

SAVIDGE: What's the difference this time? Why do you not seem so optimistic?

SCOTT: For one, like Christine said, you know, this has lingered on for over a week. And it's really a tragedy because, yes, so my great athletes from all around the country, all around the world who won Olympic gold medals for their countries as well as our country, and the biggest stories has all this week has been Ryan Lochte.

SAVIDGE: Right.

SCOTT: I really feel bad. We even had clients that won medals and, unfortunately, their stories kind of got minimalized because the media wanted to focus on this one.

[16:20:03] SAVIDGE: And that adds you say to the anger against Lochte.

SCOTT: Yes, it does.

SAVIDGE: Let me -- I want to bring up something else, Christine, before we lose you, and I know time is short. These nine Australians, these are athletes that are being forced to pay, I think, $3,000 each in fines before the authorities will allow them to leave the country. And what -- what are they accused of doing? What's the latest on this?

BRENNAN: You know, Martin, I have actually not followed that story as closely. I believe there was something with their IDs, I believe, that they made fake IDs. And you know, I think the bigger issue here is that we're talking about young athletes and things are going to happen. And you want to minimize it. I think Carlos is saying that, it's the Australian Olympic Committee, the U.S. Olympic Committee, you're bringing hundreds of people into a community, into this crucible of international intrigue and everyone's watching at the world's stage.

You're going to have a few things happen. It's how you handle it.

SAVIDGE: Yes. BRENNAN: And the Australian thing is interesting. Of course, there's

always going to be something. But I think the Lochte thing stands out only because of just how long it went on and what an embarrassment it was for the U.S. especially U.S. being the big cheese at the Olympic Games where everyone focuses on what the U.S. does and U.S. Olympics likes to have things be very low key. One of only two Olympics committees that does not allow flags or banners on the dorms at the Olympic Village. And U.S. and Israel, of course, for security reasons, but also to have a lower profile.

And then this happens. So the Australians are dealing with something, the U.S. dealing with something. It's going to happen. But the last thing the U.S. wants, Martin, is to have something explode like this one exploded over the last week of the games.

SAVIDGE: Yes, you're absolutely right. Christine Brennan, I have all respect for your work, thank you very much.

Carlos Scott, thanks for joining me today. I hope I would never need you, but it's good to know you're there. Thank you very much.

SCOTT: All right.

SAVIDGE: Next up the work is just beginning in Louisiana. You've seen the images now. Unfortunately there is more rain that is coming down and reports of a flood warning again for Baton Rouge. We're going to check in on the ground and see what's happening there right after this.

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[16:25:59] SAVIDGE: Louisiana's governor is making a plea for help in the wake of catastrophic flooding that has ravaged the southern part of his state.

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GOV. JOHN BEL EDWARDS (D), LOUISIANA: This is a historic unprecedented flood event. And because it wasn't a hurricane or a tropical storm, this rain event didn't have a name, we have folks around the country that I think are just now realizing how significant it was, and so we really need help. Typically by this point in a storm I think Red Cross would be receiving a lot more donations. I think there would be more volunteers signing up, although we have some of that in place now.

It would be very helpful if people would donate to the Red Cross, to the Baton Rouge Area Foundation and also to come in and volunteer to help people get back in their homes as quickly as possible.

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SAVIDGE: As the water recedes today, devastated residents are beginning to clean up, wading through inches of mud that have buried their belongings. At least 40,000 homes have been damaged. Joining me now is Lieutenant General Russell Honore who commanded the

military response to Hurricane Katrina. In fact, he and I met on the streets of New Orleans during Katrina.

General Honore is in Louisiana helping with the recovery now.

Let me ask you, sir, from your professional outlook, what is your biggest concern at the moment?

LT. GEN. RUSSELL HONORE, RETIRED U.S. ARMY: Well, I think as the governor said, we get the right scope of this damage. You use 40,000. We're close to 110,000 homes and 7300 businesses that took water and either damaged or heavily destroyed. And over 281,000 people that had to evacuate. So the numbers haven't settled all these other stories about politics and about athletes, and I'm glad you're here to tell that story, but we've got a significant damage because it's a cascading effect of schools and parishes being under water.

In some parishes, over 70 percent of the homes took water and all of the schools. So we've got a catastrophic event on our hands, and we're competing with whether some swimmer was arrested or not to get that story to the American people because we know when the American people know what has happened to the citizens here, they'll reach out. And a number we need to correct. The 30 million you spoke of earlier, that's a Red Cross estimate for what it's going to take for them to run the shelters for the first month. That 30 million. That doesn't even come close to covering the damage we have in all these homes, Martin.

SAVIDGE: Well, let me ask you this. You obviously being in the army, formerly, know logistics. Logistically, what is the greatest need right now for people?

HONORE: People need right now is to finish cleaning their homes and get a fair assessment from FEMA on the amount of money FEMA will allow them. You know, if you're not a part of the Federal Flood Insurance Program, FEMA will allow you $33,000, but the average that they loan out is about $7,000.

That's a big gap, Martin. We didn't have high numbers of insurance people here. In terms of a ratio of people to homes and insurance. We're very low on that because we got a gap here. Something is missing in between the insurance companies and the bankers telling people whether they live in a wetlands or not. We've got to fix that because we're way underinsured in Louisiana, number one. And number two, what FEMA is offering, $7,000, you cannot replace all this stuff on the street back here for $7,000.

So FEMA is going to have to adjust their numbers or this community, many people will not get back in their homes and this would have a catastrophic effect on the chemical corridor for America that we run here as well as the petrochemical industry because our people would not be able to move back in their homes, Martin.

[16:30:07] SAVIDGE: There is often a quick jump to want to compare or try to compare what is going on in Louisiana now to what happened with Hurricane Katrina. I never like to ever compare one person's misery to another. Is there a comparison to be made regarding those two tragic events?

HONORE: Well, I think you speak again, Martin should Mother Nature can break anything built by man. And if we build it bad, it cascades that. You know, we built our interstates well, went through five years of construction, and we put a concrete barrier in the middle of the road.

Guess what? That block to the City of Denver Springs did get more water than they should have gotten. And we lowered the Interstate through Interstate 12 to elevation level between Baton Rouge and Denver Springs and we lowered it between Gonzales and Baton Rouge.

All those areas flooded. All those interstates should have been at least 20 to 30 feet off the ground. And we wouldn't have had a lot of the problems that we suffered here because we built bad interstates at wrong elevations and built too many homes in wetlands because the core engineers allow developers to buy off wetlands in different parishes and swap it.

The fact is the land is still wetlands. Now we've got subdivisions sitting on them and a lot of these people were not told that they needed insurance, Martin.

SAVIDGE: All right, well we will continue to follow the story with your help and also with the reporters we have on the ground. Lt. Gen. Russel Honore, thank you very much.

HONORE: We need donations, Red Cross at the Baton Rouge Area Foundation, please Martin. Thank you, CNN.

SAVIDGE: That's right. Thank you.

Switching channels a bit, a suicide bomber targets a wedding and officials say that that bomber was between the age of 12 and 14 years old. And there are more than 50 people now dead. What investigators are saying about a motive is next.

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[16:35:00] SAVIDGE: ISIS is being blamed for a suicide bombing in Turkey, the deadly attack taking place at a crowded wedding in Southern Turkey. Authorities believe the bombing was carried out by a child perhaps as young as 12.

CNN, Senior International Correspondent Ben Wedeman is at the scene of the attack. He has the latest details.

BEN WEDEMAN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Martin, absolutely horrific attack on a wedding party late Saturday night. It was a wedding party in the street, basically a block party. People telling us that there were 400 to 500 people there when just before 11 o'clock local time this bomb went off right in front of where the band was playing.

People, a lot of women and children were dancing there, the death toll at least 50. And one of the most horrifying aspects of this according to the Turkish President, Recep Tayyip Erdogan is they believe the bomber was a young boy between 12 and 14 years old. Turkish investigators have found pieces of the suicide vest on the scene.

Now, they don't know whether the bomber blew himself up or was remotely detonated. What there's no doubt about, however, is just how awful this event was. I spoke to a man who lived just around the corner from where the bomb went off. He said he came out and he saw bodies, the dead and the dying, body parts, blood everywhere in the street, people screaming for help.

Now, we attended the funeral of one of the victims, 14-year-old Mirgin Gurbos (ph), she's a student. Her mother was watching as her body was lowered into the grave in tears saying she died too young. Other stories of people who had to search throughout the night, one boy, another 14-year-old, a relative searching from police station to police station, going to hospitals, to morgues, they couldn't find him until 5:30 in the morning they got the call to come identify the body.

Another woman who has lost four out of her five children in the blast and her husband is in critical condition. Now, the Turkish government believes ISIS was behind this attack. This is a city just 25 miles north of the Syrian border where it is believed there are ISIS cells operating.

Back to you, Martin.

SAVIDGE: Ben Wedeman reporting to us from Southern Turkey.

Next we're going to turn to the 2016 political race and Hillary Clinton's campaign manager who's explaining why the Clinton Foundation isn't banning donations from foreign countries immediately.

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[16:40:00] SAVIDGE: The Clinton Foundation, it is Bill Clinton's post presidential non-profit that tackles global issues like malaria, AIDS research and climate change, but it has come under scrutiny during Hillary Clinton's campaign because it has received donations from foreign governments and some including the Trump Campaign argue those donations could be a conflict of interest diplomatically if she is elected president. This week the campaign announced that the foundation will stop accepting foreign donations.

Here is Clinton's Campaign Manager, Robby Mook who spoke with CNN's Dana Bash this morning.

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ROBBY MOOK, CLINTON CAMPAIGN MANAGER: What the foundation did was unprecedented, as I said, and what they're going to do is going to be unprecedented as well. You talk about transparency Donald Trump hasn't released his taxes. Donald Trump hasn't released his serious health letter yet. Donald Trump refuses to disclose the full architecture of his financial debts and obligations around the world. We just read yesterday in "The New York Times" that he is a debtor to the Bank of China. No one has disclosed this...

DANA BASH, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: But, Robby I asked about Hillary Clinton not Donald Trump. We're going to talk later about that.

MOOK: Well, but my point is that there's all the scrutiny because Hillary Clinton has been transparent. I don't think you heard these questions when members of the Bush Family continue to serve on boards for the first President Bush's Foundation. So -- as I said, the foundation is taking unprecedented steps here. We're very proud that they're doing that, but right now we're focused on making sure Hillary Clinton becomes president and letting the foundation do the retooling that they need to do.

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SAVIDGE: All right. Let's talk more about this with CNN Senior Political Analyst, Ron Brownstein; he is also a Senior Editor for "The Atlantic" and Jay Newton-Small, Washington Correspondent for "Time Magazine".

Nice to have you both back. Ron, I'll start with you. Is it OK for the foundation to continue to receive this foreign money until November?

RON BROWNSTEIN, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: Look, it's a real question. This is such uncharted waters. I mean, that is the issue. But there's no question the foundation has done a lot of good work over the years on issues like AIDS, drugs and Africa, the role of women and girls in the developing world. And it's worked a lot with the Republican.

But it has been a -- it's been a unique situation from the beginning that has gotten more unique and kind of unprecedented as it's gone. I don't think we've ever had a former president who has built an institution of this magnitude to directly engage with thee many issues as President Clinton has done activating his global network in this way.

And then to have on top of that, you know, his spouse become First Secretary of State and then the Democratic presidential nominee, I mean it really does kind of I think change the landscape. And I think they do need to look very carefully at this.

Because I think -- Martin, I think one of the big lessons of, you know, of all the revelations we've had over the past many months is that there was not a full sense of proper guardrails between all of the Clinton Inc. and Hillary Clinton's kind of renewed public service career.

And it is something that if she's elected president, they're going to have to be much more diligent and much more focused about separating and they're going to need some voices around her who are more attuned to this than those that have been around her in the last several years.

SAVIDGE: Jay, even without foreign money, do you believe that the Clinton Foundation has the potential to be a conflict of interest? Does it remain a conflict of interest if Bill and Hillary take, you know, a hiatus from leadership and, say give it to Chelsea? Is it still a problem?

JAY NEWTON-SMALL, WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT; TIME MAGAZINE: Well, I mean keep in mind, this is a charity here. So, it's not like this money is going to them personally.

SAVIDGE: Right.

NEWTON-SMALL: The money is actually going to build, you know, programs in these countries that are for the betterment of these people. And, so what I always think is really interesting here is would you prefer that these countries not invest in their own development? Would you prefer that it was just sort of money given -- donated by Americans or donated by first world countries that is then used to sort of develop them? I mean, that sort of also goes against -- they want to be involved in their development. They want to have, you know, a say in how they're developed and that's why they give money to these projects...

[16:45:00] SAVIDGE: But it's the perception here.

BROWNSTEIN: Yes.

SAVIDGE: And we all agree it does good.

BROWNSTEIN: Yes.

SAVIDGE: It's the perception of a president that somehow -- you don't even want to imply that they could be...

BROWNSTEIN: Yes.

SAVIDGE: ...influenced by a donation.

BROWNSTEIN: Martin, I'm closer to the implication of your question, which is if Hillary Clinton is the president, Bill Clinton is going to be an important adviser whether he has a formal role or not. He is literally going to be whispering in the ear of the president of the United States.

And it's hard to see in that circumstance where it makes sense to maintain the operation of this foundation during or if she is president during her presidency. Because I mean, there is no way to completely insulate -- despite the good work that it does, it does provide kind of an alternative means for, you know, interest not only domestically but around the world.

So to reach someone who is going to be, you know, within reach of the president, so you know, I would kind of -- I would imagine this is the -- first of all, I've got to think that, you know, whoever is the Chief of Staff in the White House is going to look very hard and ask a lot of questions if Hillary Clinton wins about whether it makes sense to maintain this organization. SAVIDGE: And, you know, Jay, I'm thinking that, you know, for

especially the Trump campaign, they can use this. This is, you know, this is leverage obviously against Hillary Clinton here.

NEWTON-SMALL: Absolutely.

SAVIDGE: And it once again seems to reinforce a public feeling, right or wrong that the rules don't apply the same way to Hillary Clinton, the Clintons in general.

NEWTON-SMALL: Absolutely, Martin. And look, I mean that Donald Trump just sent out a press release, I think an hour or an hour and a half ago calling on the Clintons to suspend the Clinton Foundation and he is not the only one.

There are calls -- there have been calls on the Huffington Post from the left and from the right saying that it's a major conflict of interest and they show just shut it down for all intents and purposes if and when she wins the election, even before then just, you know, suspend it right now.

And so...

SAVIDGE: You mean, shut it down completely or is there not some way this could be handled because it does do a lot of good?

NEWTON-SMALL: Well, I mean what happened in the past is that politicians, like if you look at Michael Bloomberg when he became mayor of New York, he sort of separated himself from the philanthropies that he worked with and sort of, you know, they continued onwards and it was like a blind trust, much like the company that he started was a blind trust.

And so I guess if you treat the Clinton Foundation like a company and you entrust somebody who you really, you know, really a close friend or a close colleague, somebody you really trust with the running of it I mean that seems like it would be a good solution so it continues to do good work and it separate from the...

SAVIDGE: But, let me just say that we got Donald Trump who's got this problem.

NEWTON-SMALL: Yes.

SAVIDGE: All of those investments that now are not going to be a blind trust. We understand run -- is what, going to be handled by family members?

BROWNSTEIN: Yes, you know, look I mean it is -- it is very hard. I mean it's an interesting idea that you could handle a philanthropy like a blind trust, like a company -- like your investments.

And I think, you know, for both of these -- both of these candidates have enormously complicated financial relationships, but thinking about Clinton -- back to Clinton for one moment, I think that, you know, if you look more broadly at all of the issues she has been dealing with in the last couple of years as a candidate, all of the spill over from the emails now from the Clinton Foundation, to me what it says is you need a strong independent voice around her that is a clear sense of kind of what the guardrails need to be.

Bill Clinton is an extraordinary human being who has an extraordinary network globally. He is a true global citizen and he's really kind of unmatched in that way. And, you know, he has tried to leverage that to advance the causes that he cares about.

But if one of the causes that he cares about is the potential presidency of his wife it makes sense to have stronger kind of boundaries between what he has been doing and her public service than they have been able to -- they put together so far.

And I think that is going to be one of the most difficult kinds of complex jobs for the next -- if she is president -- the next chief of staff, it's something that is...

SAVIDGE: OK. Ron, I'm sorry, I got to rest you there only because we're only just about out of time and...

BROWNSTEIN: Yes.

SAVIDGE: ...Jay Newton-Small, thank you so much as well. We appreciate both your insights greatly.

NEWTON-SMALL: Thanks, Martin.

SAVIDGE: All right, moving on with another story. Crews were out early this morning in Miami clearing standing water. That is actually part of an effort to fight the spread of Zika. We're going to talk to a pregnant mom who is also an obstetrician. She tells us how she is changing her routine to stay safe in Miami Beach. Stay here.

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[16:50:00] SAVIDGE: I want to introduce you to an 86-year-old farmer in North Carolina who is anything but retired. For 20 years, Harry Swimmer introduced hundreds of children with disabilities to the healing power of horses.

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HARRY SWIMMER, CNN HERO: Horses are very special animals. People just don't realize it.

What do you say now?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Walk high.

SWIMMER: That's my girl. We had a child on a horse who had a seizure, and that horse stopped dead in his tracks. When nobody else noticed it, the horse caught it first.

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SAVIDGE: Harry Swimmer is this week's CNN Hero and you can watch his full story at CNN heroes.com.

A warning for pregnant women and their partners, the CDC is saying stay away from parts of Florida's Miami-Dade County. Five new cases of Zika have been traced to a 1-1/2 square mile stretch of Miami Beach. CNNs, Elizabeth Cohen spoke to one expectant mother who is taking that warning seriously.

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ELIZABETH COHEN, CNN SENIOR MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Karla Maguire helps her mother-in-law get her son's stroller out the door.

KARLA MAGUIRE, OBSTETRICIAN: Bye mama.

COHEN: And that's it. Maguire stays behind while grandma gets to play with little Raphael (ph).

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COHEN: Mommy is at home and you're here.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, yes.

COHEN: That's because Raphael's (ph) mother is pregnant in Miami where Zika is spreading.

MAGUIRE: I don't want to be outside unnecessarily.

COHEN: And she knows what she's talking about.

You're not just any other concerned pregnant lady?

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MAGUIRE: Yes, I'm an OB-GYN as well.

COHEN: She's an obstetrician and assistant professor at the University of Miami. Dr. Maguire is doing everything she can to protect Raphael's (ph) future little brother.

So, we got to go out with Raphael (ph) with his grandma, but you had to stay home. Is that hard?

[16:55:00] MAGUIRE: It is tough. Because one of the things I like doing with him since he is so energetic is playing outside. So, being inside and kind of entertaining myself inside is sad. But I'll get through it.

COHEN: She knows one mosquito bite could potentially give her baby microcephaly, a devastating birth defect. When things go wrong with Zika, they go really wrong.

MAGUIRE: And I think that's what people are most afraid of, and especially my pregnant babies, is that it can be pretty devastating.

COHEN: Dr. Maguire hardly leaves the house except to go to work. And when she does, she is slathered in bug spray.

So, let's see -- so, you've got -- let's see one, two, three, four bottles of bug spray.

MAGUIRE: And one in each bag I carry, so I prepare it all times.

COHEN: Her baby is due in February and until then fun with her son means staying indoors.

MAGUIRE: It's hard, and they have a pretty long way to go in pregnancy. So, at this time, I'll take it one day at a time -- one, two, three, four, five...

COHEN: And that's what she tells her patients -- one day at a time as Zika spreads in Miami.

Elizabeth Cohen, CNN, Surfside, Florida.

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SAVIDGE: I'm Martin Savidge. It's been great spending the afternoon with you. The next hour of the CNN NEWSROOM begins right after this short break. Have a great day.

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