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Lochte Apologizes for Olympic Distraction; Trump Continues Call for Minority Votes; Clinton Dominates Trump in July Fundraising; Florida Mother Staying Indoors to Avoid Risks; Trump: GOP "Must Do Better" in Courting Black Vote; NYT Report: Trump Companies $650 Million in Debt; Jorgensen Wins Gold in Women's Triathlon. Aired 7-8a ET
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[07:00:00] VICTOR BLACKWELL, CNN ANCHOR (voice-over): In his own words, shamed U.S. swimmer Ryan Lochte says he's to blame for an incident at a gas station turning into an international Olympic scandal.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Trump made an aggressive play for the African- American vote.
DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: I want our party to be the home of the African-American voter once again.
CHRISTI PAUL, CNN ANCHOR (voice-over): "The New York Times" unraveling Donald Trump's global finances, reporting the businessman has twice as much debt as previously disclosed.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Raphael's mother is pregnant in Miami, where Zika is spreading.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don't want to be outside unnecessarily.
PAUL: We're always so grateful to see you on a Sunday morning. I'm Christi Paul.
BLACKWELL: I'm Victor Blackwell. Good to be with you.
Let's start with U.S. swimmer Ryan Lochte telling the people of Brazil he is, quote, "110 percent sorry." This happened in an interview with Global TV. The four-time Olympian said he exaggerated the story of being robbed at gunpoint in Rio.
PAUL: He said in part, quote, "to the gas station owner, to Brazilian police, to the people of Rio and Brazil, everyone that came together to put on these wonderful games, I just want to say I'm truly, 110 percent sorry."
BLACKWELL: "It will not happen again. I've learned from it. I want you to know I love all of you, you treated me with so much respect and I'm sorry my immaturity caused this much ruckus."
Now, after he talked to Global TV, Ryan Lochte spoke with NBC's Matt Lauer for more than 20 minutes.
PAUL: In that interview, Lauer asked him why he left his teammates behind in Rio as that controversy was just starting to explode.
Here's what Lochte said.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
MATT LAUER, NBC NEWS: When you saw the news coverage of Gunnar and Jack being taken off that plane at the airport and you knew, and you just said to me, they didn't damage anything in that gas station.
RYAN LOCHTE, U.S. SWIMMER: Yes. And --
LAUER: And you're sitting at home in the United States safe and sound, how did it make you feel?
LOCHTE: Hurt. I mean, I let my team down. And, you know, I wanted to be there. Like I don't want them to think that I left and left them dry because -- I mean, they were my teammates. I wanted to definitely be there. And I wanted to help out anyway I could.
So I just wanted to make sure they were home safe before I came out and talked. And, you know, I'm just really sorry about -- I'm embarrassed for myself, my family, especially those guys, USA Swimming, the whole Olympic Games, everyone watching.
It's just -- I was immature and I made a stupid mistake. I'm human. I made a mistake. I definitely learned from this. I'm just really sorry.
LAUER: Jimmy Feigen was made to pay, I think it was about $11,000 in restitution, kind of a charitable donation because he made a false statement in his original statement to police. And the area of the false statement was he said, he was asleep in the car and he never went back in that walkway.
Do you think it's possible that Jimmy made that statement so he wouldn't have to tell on you, that he wouldn't have to say, I saw Ryan back there tear that framed advertisement off the wall? Was he trying to protect you?
LOCHTE: I don't know. All I know -- I can't speak for him. I don't know at all. I just know that they're back home, safe. And I owe them and the entire world that had to watch this for the last week of the Olympic Games, something that I understand, especially those athletes that we put all our energy and time into this, and I took away from their accomplishments about this story, about me being immature for one night. I took away from that. And that's what, I think, hurts me most, is that all that -- everyone's just watching my immature antics. And I'm just -- I'm embarrassed.
LAUER: What about the people of Rio? They dealt with all the headlines going into the games about pollution and violence and crime. And here come this is story with one of the highest profile U.S. athletes saying, "I got held up at gunpoint on the streets of Rio."
[07:05:04] What would you say to them now?
LOCHTE: How sorry I am, and my deepest apologies. They put on a great games. They did everything. The people of Rio, of Brazil, the authorities, everyone there, they put on a great games.
And my immature, intoxicated behavior tarnished that a little. And I don't want that, because they did a great job. The fans were amazing. I know going out into my races, they were all cheering for me. So I'm just really sorry and I hope they can accept my apology.
LAUER: There have been calls, Ryan, by some who say you should be banned from swimming. It's a pretty, pretty strong punishment. What do you think should happen?
LOCHTE: I mean, that's not my call. It's USA Swimming, the USOC. It's the board. It's what they decide.
All I know is I learned my lesson from this. I definitely did. And I know this will never -- these kind of shenanigans or whatever you want to call it will never happen again.
And I love this sport. I've dedicated my whole entire life to it. It's not who I am. And I'm not done with this sport if they let me -- like there's still more I want to accomplish in the sport. And all I know is that I'm going to move forward from this and learn from this and better myself and making sure that this never happens again.
LAUER: I've been listening to some of the commentators over the last couple of days, Ryan, talking about endorsements. And they're saying that this one poster on a wall or this one urinating in the bushes could cost you a lot of money.
LOCHTE: It could. And that's something that I'm going to have to live with. That's something that I'm going to have to deal with. But I know what I did was wrong and I know I learned my lesson. All I can do now is better myself and making sure that this kind of stuff never happens again.
LAUER: Do you think if you stay in the sport and they allow you to keep swimming and you go to Tokyo and you perform well, can you begin to erase the damage to your legacy that's been done?
LOCHTE: I think so. I know so. If they give me that chance, I definitely know I can turn this around and become that role model for little kids. I don't want little kids to look at me for what I just did, for that one night. I don't want that, or the whole entire United States or the entire world for that matter. I don't want them to look at me, he was a drunk frat boy or anything like that. I want to be a role model for those little kids. I know that I can change that.
(END VIDEO CLIP) PAUL: You heard what Ryan said there. That he's not done with swimming as long as they're not done with him. The question is, is the sport done with him?
Joining us now Christine Brennan, CNN sports analyst and columnist for "USA Today".
Do you believe, Christine, that he can still be a role model, that there's still a place for him there?
CHRISTINE BRENNAN, CNN SPORTS ANALYST: Christi, if I were USA Swimming, what I would do is I would bring him to any every team camp, every Olympic trial when the team is put together and have him tell this story in all its gory details. He should be used as a cautionary tale. That will be a very valuable thing. And it sounds like that's what held like to do. I'm not sure that's exactly the role model he was thinking of, but I would use him as the image and the epitome of the anti-role model, to show the next generation of swimmers what can happen when you're representing your countries internationally.
It's not like being at a frat party at a university. This is an entirely different environment. I would use him that way, to tell this story in all its detail, and maybe scare young swimmers so that nothing like this ever happens again.
PAUL: For those avid fans, for those athletes that look up to him, does he have to go to Tokyo and win again in order to erase this, if that's even possible, or to show that he's overcome it?
BRENNAN: Yes. Great question. And I don't know that he's going to make it to Tokyo. I would have said that even before all this happened.
He's 32 years olds. He would be 36 in Tokyo.
[07:10:00] That's a big four years for a swimmer. He did win one gold medal here, but it was in the relay. His Olympic trials a month or two ago and his games here were nowhere near as good as the previous Olympics.
He's certainly on the downside of his career. Anything's possible as we've seen, but when he's suspended for some length of time, then if he has a chance to come back, if he's not banned for life, sure he's going to have a shot at it, but I think it's very difficult for him to come back as a swimmer.
PAUL: OK. So, two-part question here, because we saw him -- when we look at this interview, he gets emotional when he speaks about his teammates. So, when we're talking about repercussions and the consequences here, should he be banned? You say he's going to be suspended for some length of time. Should he be banned? And should his punishment, will it be different than the other three?
BRENNAN: I think it will be different than the other three, although I have not reported that out yet, but I do believe that because of the nature of this story as they've unfolded and his behavior versus the three. The other three are much younger. If they're banned for, say, three to six months, which were Michael Phelps's time period, say, then they can come back quicker.
You know, the USOC, the USA Swimming, Christi, were really looking for an apology like Michael Phelps gave, quick, succinct, both Phelps' apologies in his two incidents came within 24 hours of the incidents. They were briefed and they were total.
This has been elongated. It has been so messy that I'm not so sure that it's helping him with all of these various stories. And even now, not being able to come to the complete truth on a couple of the points that he had with the NBC interview.
PAUL: All right. Christine Brennan, so appreciate your input on this story. Thank you so much.
BRENNAN: Sure. Thank you.
BLACKWELL: Breaking news now and this is coming from southern Turkey. An explosion at a wedding celebration, now known to have killed at least 50 people. Nearly 100 more have been wounded.
This is video into CNN showing dozens of people scrambling in the dark. Rescue workers lifting victims into ambulances.
The Turkish president there who you'll remember survived an attempted military coup a month ago says ISIS is most likely behind this attack. No official claim has come in just yet.
Donald Trump makes another plea to black voters, to Hispanic voters. Why he says Republicans need to do better in courting those votes and details on a meeting he had with a Hispanic advisory board.
PAUL: Also, concerns about the Zika virus causing one mother to drastically her daily routine.
[07:16:04] BLACKWELL: Hillary Clinton continues to have some advantage here in the race for the White House, specifically this time as it relates to fund-raising over Donald Trump, looking specifically at July. Clinton pulled in more than $58 million directly into her campaign, about a half million dollars in debt at the end of the month. Compare that to Donald Trump, who although having a strong fundraising month himself pulled in about $38 million, no debt there on his books.
Let's talk about this with CNN commentator and Hillary Clinton supporter Bakari Sellers, and director of Hispanics for the RNC and Donald Trump supporter Helen Aguirre Ferre.
Good morning to both of you.
HELEN AGUIRRE FERRE, DIRECTOR OF HISPANIC COMMUNICATIONS: Good morning.
BAKARI SELLERS, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Good morning.
BLACKWELL: Donald Trump has more ground to make up in the battleground states across the country, less money to do it. How does he do it?
FERRE: Well, he's working with the RNC. And we're going to be providing the infrastructure that he needs. There's infrastructure that's been very valuable that the RNC has put in place since 2013. And the key battleground was never dismantled after the great electoral success of 2014.
So, working with him and working with him and his company, we are reaching into the different areas of the communities and we're talking specifically, you know, with the Hispanic and minority and African- American voters, going to them where they work, worship and live to get the message across that these are conservative values and principles that are of benefit to them.
When you look at where minorities are over the last eight years, there's no question about it that the Obama policies have been failed policies despite all of the promises. Hillary Clinton is just going to be continuing those policies. We're going to change that.
BLACKWELL: We're going to talk more about appealing to minority voters in just a moment. But you talked about the 2014 infrastructure. That assumes that those 2014 participants support Donald Trump. And we know that there are still some chasms there within the party.
FERRE: Well, certainly there are those that you always want to have to join your party. But nonetheless, there is, you know, there is that tide of the election that doesn't get mention, that there are a number of Democrats and independent voters who are supporting Mr. Trump and see in him someone who comes from outside the professional political class and looks as a successful businessman who speaks to the man on the street and really understands what people are feeling.
BLACKWELL: All right.
FERRE: And through that is appealing. And that provides an enormous balance and advantage to this Republican ticket.
BLACKWELL: Let me come on at that point there where you said that you're characterizing Donald Trump as someone who is a billionaire who speaks to the man on the street, and come to you, Bakari, the way that we're hearing from the RNC that they are characterizing Hillary Clinton's fund-raising, is that she is going for the elites and not the man on the street. I want to show you this ad out from the RNC overnight.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP, REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE)
AD NARRATOR: Welcome aboard Hillary Clinton's liberal elite summer tour, with frequent stops in Beverly Hills, Hollywood and Cape Cod. Please use caution when opening the overhead bins as Hillary's baggage may have shifted during flight. (END VIDEO CLIP)
BLACKWELL: Hillary Clinton's elite airlines, the summer tour, they're calling it, as she goes to New York, to California to get money, big dollar fund-raisers. You say to that criticism what?
SELLERS: I say that's a cute spin, but I don't think it really matters in the larger scheme of things. Hillary Clinton has been dominating Donald Trump throughout the summer in every single aspect, whether or not it's air time, whether or not it's polling, especially in primary state, I mean, battleground states, or whether or not you're at the point now where she's dominating him financially.
One other aspect that I think is worth mentioning, when you talk about people that are involved in a company, when you talk about people who are financially vested in a company, one thing you look at are super PACs. And Priorities USA raised or has another $39 million in cash on hand, where you combine all the Trump super PAC, pro-Trump super PACs, you have about $4 million in cash on hand.
[07:20:10] And when you have these resources, you just have the ability to bludgeon your opponent as we get into the fall and closer to November.
BLACKWELL: Let's talk about this outreach to minority voters, there was this meeting of the National Hispanic Advisory Council for Mr. Trump. Were you there yesterday, were you a part of that meeting?
FERRE: Yes, I was.
BLACKWELL: So, tell me about it.
FERRE: Oh, it was a terrific meeting. Mr. Trump invited this National Council of Hispanic Advisors for Trump to come and speak with him and it was an open conversation. He wanted to hear from these leaders about the issues that are of great concern to the Hispanic community. They were business, civic and faith-based leaders who were there.
And so, there was a great discussion about jobs, economy, trade, what to do about with veterans and veteran care, amongst other issues. And, of course, there was a discussion about immigration.
BLACKWELL: Fewer than 80 days from the election, more than a year into the candidacy, is it a little late to know introduce this meeting?
FERRE: No. To the contrary. This has been a meeting and many of those leaders had already met with Mr. Trump previously. It was just the opportunity to come together collectively as a group.
But for most voters, they're just barely beginning to focus on this campaign as they do for most national elections. Kids are beginning to get back to school. Labor Day is coming. So, that's when the big focus is coming. And 80 days out is when you look at what you really need to do to really fine-tune your campaign and organize and move it and push forward. Yesterday, we had a great conversation with Hispanic leaders on a number of issues of great concern. It's a great opportunity to be able to exchange ideas and strategies.
BLACKWELL: Bakari, let me ask you about now, the fourth consecutive day we saw on Saturday, Donald Trump making an appeal to African- American voters. And we know the latest NBC poll has him at 1 percent.
But let's look at this from a different perspective. I want to get your thought on this. Could this, the numbers we're seeing that Donald Trump is fighting against, be maybe the struggle that any Republican coming after Barack Obama would have.
Let's put up the latest Gallup poll numbers, where the president has overall a 52 percent approval rating, 75 non-white, 85 percent in the black community. And any Republican in this position who is threatening that legacy of Barack Obama which black voters have such a close affiliation with, would be facing, what Donald Trump is facing.
How much of that is what we're seeing Donald Trump come up against?
SELLERS: Well, regardless of what my colleague this morning said, when you have African-American unemployment rate which has actually gone down and you have a number of African-American uninsured that has gone down and when you have programs like My Brother's Keeper or just the example he sets for African-American people in this country -- yes, it's quite difficult.
With that being said, though, I do believe a Republican could get the numbers Mitt Romney had, an exceptional Republican would have trouble, but maybe able to get to the numbers that George W. Bush had. But Donald Trump is none of those. I mean, you have to remember the Central Park five. You have to remember that Donald Trump was sued by the Department of Justice for not renting to African-Americans. Even just last week, Donald Trump is uncomfortable speaking to minority groups.
And so, you know, I think that, you know, he may be making these overtures right now but we know it's extremely late, we know it's 80 days out. Where has he been the last 432 days since he's been in the race? Hispanic Americans are not going to forget he patronized him with the taco bowl. I mean, is he still going to deport 11 million Hispanic Americans? That's the question I have about yesterday's meeting. But moving forward, this is trouble for him.
FERRE: But Donald Trump --
BLACKWELL: We've got to wrap. I want to give you ten seconds. That's all I have for you.
FERRE: What Donald Trump doesn't do is pander to our communities. And that's what Hillary Clinton and the Democrats have been doing for the last eight years. More than 2.1 Hispanics are in the roles of poverty today, and that really speaks to those failed policies that Donald Trump is going to change.
BLACKWELL: We've got to wrap it there.
Thank you both, Bakari and Helen. Thanks so much for being with us.
FERRE: Thank you.
PAUL: Imagine spending months indoors, that maybe you'd only leave for literally a few seconds a day. You think it's extreme, I know. There's one family who's doing just that, because of the Zika virus.
[07:27:50] PAUL: Fears about the Zika virus are drastically changing the lives of some Florida families. Karla Maguire, for instance, she's four months pregnant, she rarely leaves the house, even with long clothing and mosquito repellant, she says there are just too many risks to put her family in danger.
Here's CNN's Elizabeth Cohen.
ELIZABETH COHEN, CNN SENIOR MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Karla Maguire helps her mother-in-law get her son's stroller out the door. And that's it. McGuire stays behind while grandma gets to play with little Raphael.
(on camera): Mommy's at home and you're here.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
COHEN (voice-over): That's because Raphael's mother is pregnant in Miami, where Zika is spreading.
DR. KARLA MAGUIRE, OBSTETRICIAN: I don't want to be outside unnecessarily.
COHEN: And she knows what she's talking about.
(on camera): You're not just any other concerned pregnant lady.
MAGUIRE: Yes. I'm an OB/GYN as well.
COHEN: She's an obstetrician and assistant professor at the University of Miami. Dr. Maguire is doing everything she can to protect Raphael's future little brother.
(on camera): So, we got to go out with Raphael and with his grandma. But you had to stay home. Is that hard?
MAGUIRE: It is tough because one of the things I like doing with him is playing outside. Being inside and kind of entertaining myself inside is sad. But I'll get through it. COHEN (voice-over): She knows one mosquito bite could potentially
give her baby microcephaly, a devastating birth defect.
(on camera): Things go wrong with Zika. They go really wrong.
MAGUIRE: I think that's what people are most afraid of, especially my pregnant ladies is that it can be pretty devastating.
COHEN (voice-over): Dr. Maguire hardly leaves the house except to go to work. And when she does, she's slathered in bug spray.
(on camera): You've got four bottles of bug spray.
MAGUIRE: And one in each bag that I carry. So, I'm afraid at all times.
COHEN (voice-over): Her baby is due in February. Until then, fun with her son means staying indoors.
MAGUIRE: It's hard and they have a pretty long way to go in pregnancy. So, but I'm just trying to take it one day at a time.
[07:30:02] COHEN (voice-over): And that's what she tells her patients, one day at a time as Zika spreads in Miami.
Elizabeth Cohen, CNN, Surfside, Florida.
VICTOR BLACKWELL, CNN ANCHOR: "The New York Times" shines a light on Donald Trump's finances, saying he owes twice as much as suggested in election filings. We'll talk to "The Times" investigative reporter.
Plus, she is the first American to win gold in an Olympic triathlon. Gwen Jorgensen joins us live to talk about how it feels to make history and her plans for the 2020 Games.
CHRISTI PAUL, CNN ANCHOR: So good to have you with us. I'm Christi Paul.
BLACKWELL: I'm Victor Blackwell.
PAUL: Donald Trump making a plea for those African-American votes again. Fourth day in a row. An once again it was this full room of white people.
Now, in his speech in Virginia last night, he referred to the GOP as the Party of Lincoln and pushed Republicans to do better in appealing to blacks.
I want to bring in CNN political commentator Tara Setmayer.
Tara, so good to have you with us. I want to read something from Ed Kilgore in "New York Magazine", something that he wrote. He wrote, "Trump's appeal to black voters was almost certainly aimed at white voters worried or angry about being labeled as racist. If it also spurs some black voters to give his candidacy a second lock, that couldn't hurt him."
You are a Republican. How do you see his words about African- Americans?
TARA SETMAYER, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: I found it unbelievably condescending. I watched the display this week in various speeches that he gave and I shook my head I said, you've got to be kidding me.
[07:35:05] You know, I've been involved in Republican politics as a conservative for 20-plus years and I was involved in minority outreach efforts with the GOP. And it's been a frustrating endeavor, I have to say, because there are a lot of people who just don't get it. They think in an election year, a couple months before the election, you're going to swoop in with some radio ads or speak at one conference and think that's going to get the African-American community to listen to you.
And that's not how it works. You have to be present. You have to demonstrate why conservative policies would be a better alternative. You can't just expect to say a couple of buzz words, throw out some stats and go, what the hell do you have to lose.
It was really insulting, especially when Donald Trump went down the list of, well, your schools are failing, you live in poor neighborhoods, assuming that all African-Americans are monolithic and poor, 70 percent of African-Americans are not poor.
So, he didn't speak to middle class African-Americans. He didn't speak to black-owned businesses. He didn't speak to black families who go through similar struggles as middle class families in this country.
He didn't speak to any of those things. It was clear that he was just focused on the buzz words that someone gave him and some statistics. And there's no credibility there whatsoever.
PAUL: So, Tara, let me ask you this, is there anything he could say that would resonate? And how would he be received, let's say, if he did gather a group and sit down with them the way he sat down with the Hispanic group yesterday?
SETMAYER: Well, I mean, he's done, right, that with this national diversity coalition that he allegedly has, which to me have been more show pieces to show he's got some black folks, and say, look, I have some black folks to me, as opposed to really going to places where people are making a communities.
For example, he could have an opportunity to speak in front of the NAACP. They couldn't even get a phone call back on the invitation. The NABJ, largest group of black journalists in the country, the MMPA, the largest group of black publishers in the country. PAUL: So, what could he say? Is there anything he could say?
SETMAYER: I mean, I thought maybe a year ago, he had an opportunity to say some things, particularly around economics, using his business prowess and his celebrity that would have gotten the African-American community to listen, because there have been legitimately economic issues and failure of Democrat policies for 50 years in the black community. Absolutely, that's a valid point.
But Donald Trump has a history when it comes to racially bigoted and inappropriate comments, behavior from the DOJ, a suit back in the '70s when his properties did not rent to people of color, to his involvement with the Central Park five when he took out a full page ad in the paper calling for the death penalty, and those five young men were exonerated, to comments about how much, quote, "the blacks love him", to getting in trouble for workplace discrimination for black dealers in Atlantic City.
I mean, Donald Trump, of course, let's not forget about the David Duke and white supremacist flirting here that we've had going on here. And then he hires Stephen Bannon from Breitbart whose -- you know, they've got some issues there too with the alt-right there.
So, all of those things, whatever Donald Trump may say now, I think the Hillary Clinton campaign will come in and they'll list all of those things and the black community is going to be like, um, I don't think so. Where have you been? You're just trying to pander to us now because you're losing.
PAUL: Well, they have some sort of plan apparently. Yesterday, the executive director of the National Diversity Coalition for Trump, Bruce Lavelle (ph), told Victor that he predicted Trump would earn 20 percent of the black vote in November. He's only at 1 percent right now.
Tara, we appreciate it.
SETMAYER: Just really quickly, Donald Trump is polling at the lowest point with African-Americans since 1948. Bruce Lavelle is out of his mind. And that National Diversity Coalition Council, they don't even have money funded by the Trump campaign. They're completely on their own. There's no coordination there, there's no state directors, there's no field staff on the ground in African-American communities. So, you know, good luck with that.
PAUL: Tara Setmayer, good to have you here. Thank you.
SETMAYER: You're welcome.
BLACKWELL: So, Trump says he's a self-made billionaire. He'll fix the economy. But a "New York Times" report says the billionaire's companies are hundreds of millions of dollars in debt beyond what was suggested in his financial disclosure. We'll take a look at that report and speak with the author after the break.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK) [07:43:00] BLACKWELL: Donald Trump keeps saying that he is very rich. He's a billionaire. He doesn't owe anyone anything.
But a "New York Times" report says that that's not quite true. In fact, it says that Trump owes or his companies owe at least $650 million on his properties in the U.S. And not just that, among his lenders are the Banks of China and Goldman Sachs as well, the two entities he keeps blasting on the campaign trail.
We've got with us Susanne Craig, author of "The New York Times" report, "Trump's Empire: A Maze of Debts and Opaque Ties", joins us on the phone.
Susanne, good morning to you.
SUSANNE CRAIG, THE NEW YORK TIMES (via telephone): Good morning.
BLACKWELL: So, tell us first, Trump said during his financial disclosure, he released it first in 2015, and other version in 2016, his businesses owed at least $315 million. But your reporting says it's much more. How so?
CRAIG: It is. It's not necessarily a fault of Donald Trump in terms of what was disclosed. He was asked to disclose things in ranges that max out at 50 million and above, a high number. These forms simply weren't built for or didn't anticipate a candidate like Donald Trump. So, instead of getting the actual number, we get an at least $315 million, which could be a lot higher.
And then secondly, the Trump Organization in my discussions with them noted that the forms only required candidates to disclose personal liabilities. Their position is Donald Trump doesn't have any personal liabilities. But we decided to go above and beyond the form and disclose any corporate entity that were 100 percent. So, we got, you know, a fair window in the form, we had at least $315 million.
We found -- "The New York Times" hired a title search firm and found that number to be much higher, you know, in the 600 range.
[07:45:01] And then, separately, there's a lot of -- not surprisingly he's got a complicated business. There's a lot of other debt where he's got a 50 percent interest in or at least one property in Las Vegas where he has a loan, where he's got half of it. That wasn't in the form.
And then, separately, he's got private partnerships where he's got an investment. In those, there's debt on those buildings. He's not responsible for that debt, but the buildings themselves have debt which could affect his fortunes up or down, depending on how the buildings do.
BLACKWELL: OK. Let's break this into smaller pieces here, because of the way this form is written that he had to file to run for office, the debt is then categorized in certain chunks. And the largest amount here is $50 million or above. So, instead of that $50 million, let's look specifically at the 40 Wall Street property. While the financial disclosure lists the debt there at $50 million or more, your reporting actually found it was how much?
CRAIG: That loan specifically was $160 million. There's another loan he's working on. They're going to be opening a hotel at the site of the old Post Office business in Washington. They've drawn down roughly $127 million on that loan. We're only seeing that as above $50 million or above on the form.
BLACKWELL: OK. All right. Sue Craig, thanks so much for being with us.
Again, this is not something Donald Trump did nefariously. It's just the way the form was written and your reporting some clarity to that.
Sue, again, thank you so much.
PAUL: So, think about this, six years ago, she's sitting in a cubicle, working as an accountant. Now, Gwen Jorgensen is an Olympic gold medalist and she's with us live from Rio, next.
[07:50:17] PAUL: Can you believe it's the closing ceremony officially ending the Rio Games tonight already?
So far, the United States has 43 gold medals. One belongs to Gwen Jorgensen, who became -- look at this -- so emotional, as you can imagine, as she crossed that finish line. She's the first American to ever win Olympic triathlon gold. She is live with us right now from Rio.
Gwen, I know that you can't see that moment because I would love to see your face as you watch yourself. But help us understand what it was like for you, what was going through your mind in that moment when you realized, oh my gosh, I just won the gold.
GWEN JORGENSEN, U.S. OLYMPIC TRIATHLETE: It was pretty incredible. You know, I set out four years ago to win gold in Rio, and to actually execute on the day is something that's really hard to do. So for me, it was just, I think, a relief and just a celebration of all the dedication, hard work, so many things that went into that day. It was just a huge emotional relief.
PAUL: I understand that it was an emotional relief for you as well because you were thinking about the people who helped you get there. Is that right?
JORGENSEN: Yes. I mean, I have an amazing support crew. I have my husband, Patrick Lemieux, who gave up his career to support me. He's with me every nine where we spend nine months abroad and he's with me doing all the cooking, the cleaning, laundry everything, and my coach as well, Jamie Turner, he is invested in me the past four years.
And I also have a great network of sponsors, one is Team Visa who has done amazing things and brought a lot of people together. It's just amazing to have all the support. I couldn't do it without them.
PAUL: So, Gwen, let me ask you something. A lot of people may be watching this and they have their careers and their life going, you know, day by day as it does. You're an accountant. How do you get from today I'm an accountant, I think I want to go to the Olympic? How do you get there? Talk to us about that transition.
JORGENSEN: Yes. I grew up swimming and running. For me, I had a job at Ernst and Young. I was a CPA, USA Triathlon had a college recruitment program where they actually found me, and came to me, and said we think you would be good at triathlon. I laughed at them. I thought they were nuts.
I said I tried to be an Olympic athlete when I was younger, and I failed. I didn't even come close. So, you know, I thought they were crazy. But I really have them to thank now looking back at it.
PAUL: So, I understand a flat tire ruined your chances at the London Games. How did that motivate you?
JORGENSEN: Yes. You know, I crossed the finish line in London 38th after a flat tire. I was disappointed. But I really have a lot to thank for that flat, because it was after that flat tire and disappointment that I made a lot of changes. I found my new coach, Jamie Turner. It's when I started living abroad for nine months of the year. It's when I became fully invested in triathlon and everything I did for the past four years was focused on that one day, August 20th, yesterday.
PAUL: So, as we look ahead -- I want to give you a breather to enjoy it, but everybody is wondering about Tokyo in 2020. What are your thoughts in that regard?
JOREGENSEN: I have no idea, honestly. I am a huge planner, and I love making plans and lists and all those things. I had this four- year plan. I just have nothing planned for today forward -- maybe a few interviews, but nothing besides that.
I just don't know what I'm going to do. Going to spend some time enjoying this moment with my husband and my support crew and make some decisions after I have decomposed.
PAUL: Well, Gwen Jorgensen, again, congratulations to you. You made a lot of people proud here. And thank you so much for taking time to talk to us. Enjoy that blank slate for a little while.
JORGENSEN: Thank you. I will.
PAUL: OK. Thank you.
BLACKWELL: How about that? Just going off and deciding, you know what? I'm going to go and be a triathlete.
PAUL: It's impressive, is it not?
BLACKWELL: Well, let me tell you, Christi, I'm not leaving you. I'm not going to run off.
PAUL: I'm still trying to get you in spinning class with me.
BLACKWELL: OK. The seat. You know what I'm talking about. It's not happening.
PAUL: I know.
Hey, listen, thank you so much for sharing your time with us on this Sunday.
BLACKWELL: "INSIDE POLITICS" is coming up next.
DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Veteran sideline reporter Craig Sager is probably best known for his interviews and his colorful outfits during NBA games.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Take all this, handkerchief, all that, burn it, OK?
[07:55:03] CHRIS SAGER, NBA SIDELINE REPORTER: Something about getting up and being lively.
GUPTA: But the upbeat sportscaster was dealt a devastating blow at a game in 2014.
SAGER: I ran into the doctor for the Mavs, and he looked at me and said, Sager, what's wrong? He said, you have to go to the emergency room.
GUPTA: It was leukemia. Sager needed a bone marrow transplant. His son Craig was a perfect match, but the cancer came back. His son saved his life again.
CRAIG SAGER II, SAGER'S SON: I didn't really even think of it as donating. We were in it together.
GUPTA: Sager recovered just in time for the start of the NBA season.
SAGER: I didn't miss a game. I felt great.
GUPTA: But then in February, another relapse. Even through treatment, Sager never stopped working. He covered the first NBA finals of his career in June.
SAGER: Just a tremendous night.
GUPTA: Now, he's back at the hospital preparing for a rare third transplant from an anonymous donor. Last month, Sager was awarded the Jimmy V. Award for perseverance at the Espy awards.
SAGER: Time is something that cannot be bought. Time is simply how you live your life.
GUPTA: Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN, reporting.