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[20:00:09] ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: Good evening. Thanks very much for joining us.
Breaking news tonight across the presidential campaign, Donald Trump speaking tonight in Ohio, renewing his appeal to African-American and Latino voters, and for the first time calling for a special prosecutor to investigate the Clinton Foundation.
Meantime, the e-mail story took another potentially damaging turn for Secretary Clinton, N nearly 15,000 e-mails and attachments coming to light today, many of them not previously disclosed. There's that.
Plus, the unfounded suggestion that Trump surrogates are making Secretary Clinton is ill.
And later, a new American face of the Zika outbreak.
A busy night ahead, starting with Donald Trump in Akron, Ohio. His call for a Clinton special prosecutor and his statement that African- American voters have nothing to lose by supporting him. Here he is, in his own words.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: No issue better illustrates how corrupt my opponent is than her pay-for-play scandals as secretary of state.
As the evidence has become public over the last several months, I've become increasingly shocked by the vast scope of Hillary Clinton's criminalities. Her actions corrupted and disgraced one of the most important departments of government, indeed, one of only four established by the United States Constitution itself.
The amounts involved, the favors done and the significant number of times it was done require an expedited investigation by a special prosecutor. Some former prosecutors have even suggested that the coordination between the pay for play State Department and the Clinton foundation constitute a clear example of RICO, racketeering influenced corrupt organization enterprise. The Justice Department is required to appoint an independent special
prosecutor because it has proven itself to be, really, sadly, a political arm of the White House. We are also going to reject the bigotry of Hillary Clinton, who sees people of color only as votes and not as human beings worthy of a better future.
Our government has totally failed our African-American friends, our Hispanic friends and the people of our country, period.
I ask you this: crime, all of the problems, to the African-Americans, who I employ so many, so many people. To the Hispanics, tremendous people. What the hell do you have to lose? Give me a chance. I'll straighten it out.
It is a disaster the way African-Americans are living in many cases and in many cases, the way Hispanics are living. And I say it with such a deep-felt feeling. What do you have to lose? I will straighten it out.
I'll bring jobs back. We'll bring spirit back. We'll get rid of the crime. You'll be able to walk down the street without getting shot.
Right now, you walk down the street, you get shot. Look at the statistics. We'll straighten it out.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
COOPER: CNN Sara Murray is traveling with the Trump campaign and joins us now.
What else did Trump have to say tonight? Because, clearly, it seems like on the two major headlines are calling they're for a special prosecutor on the Clinton Foundation and also his continual pitch, I guess, to African-Americans of, what the hell do you have to lose?
SARA MURRAY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, this is really the first time we've heard Donald Trump suggest this special prosecutor, really building off Hillary Clinton's e-mail controversy and saying it's time to delve deeper into those connections between the State Department and the Clinton Foundation and essentially saying Trump no longer trusts the Justice Department to investigate these matters and that's why he's suggesting a special prosecutor.
And, Anderson, it's worth noting that as Trump was talking about this, this arena broke into cheers of "lock her up," talking about Hillary Clinton. So, not only is this line of messaging red meat for the Republican base but it's also something that the Trump campaign feels like they can use to bring independent voters into the fold, voters who have questions about how honest and trustworthy Hillary Clinton is, voters who feel like the Clintons do play by their own rules and that's why they've been using today to sort of go after Hillary Clinton.
COOPER: Was there any talk about building a wall, or about immigration and what to do with $11 million undocumented workers here? Because the speech we were expecting Trump to give on immigration this Thursday, that's now, we're told, being postponed after all the sort of drama this weekend about suggestions that Trump may be reversing himself on a deportation force.
MURRAY: Well, this was supposed to be an entire week focused on immigration before the campaign sort of redirected and decided they would rather train their fire directly on Hillary Clinton as we saw earlier. And there was no sign of Donald Trump watering down his message. He came out here in Akron, Ohio, he talked about wanting to build a wall, he once again reiterated that phrase "extreme vetting" for immigrants who want to come into the United States.
There is speculation that he may be thinking about softening his tone. He met with his Hispanic Advisory Council. We obviously saw his campaign manager Kellyanne Conway on CNN over the weekend saying this deportation force was TBD. And now, we're hearing that his event later this week in Colorado, where he's giving this immigration speech is supposed to be canceled.
Now, Anderson, I will tell you, this is a campaign that's known to change its schedule very frequently and at the last minute. But, of course, this is notable immigration has been a cornerstone of Trump's campaign. It helps ignite the party's base during the Republican primary.
So, any changes that he makes to his approach are going to be very closely watched.
COOPER: Yes. Sara Murray, thanks for the update.
I want to bring in our panel, Clinton supporter and 2008 Clinton senior campaign adviser, Maria Cardona, Democrat and former congressional Black Caucus executive director Angela Rye.
Joining us in the network for the first time, we're very thrilled to have her as new CNN political analyst, Kirsten Powers, who's an official in President Bill Clinton's administration. Now, she's columnist for "USA Today". We're happy she's making her debut with us tonight.
Welcome to CNN, Kirsten. Great to have you here.
KIRSTEN POWERS, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: Great to be here.
COOPER: Also, Trump supporter Kayleigh McEnany, who we're also very happy to have, conservative Trump critic, Tara Setmayer, and former Trump campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski.
And, Kirsten, let's start off with you. It's interesting -- this whole "what the hell do you have to lose" message that Donald Trump has for African-Americans and now, I guess for Latinos now as well, there was a fair amount of criticism of it the first time he started using it. He's stioll clearly --
POWERS: Doubling down.
COOPER: I guess he feels -- POWERS: I guess he thinks this is a good message. The problem is
what do you have to lose is not really a compelling message generally. I don't think it's how anyone would sell a product, for example, what do you have to lose?
And then a lot of the statistics he's using just aren't really accurate. So, he's talking about the African-Americas wouldn't recognize, as though they live in crime-ridden neighborhoods. He talks about them basically all living in poverty. You have a surrogate having come out and said, I guess we should have done our announcement in front of a burning car. It's a fundamental misunderstanding of African-American community.
And he's talking about just as we were just watching, you know, you have to worry about getting shot. Most are African-Americans walking down the street in their neighborhoods are not worried about getting shot.
So, I don't think this is something that's probably going to resonate with African-Americans.
COOPER: It's also interesting, Angela, he's continuing to make these kinds of remarks in front of overwhelmingly white crowds. It's not as if he's in an African-American church or to a group -- I mean, if you're speaking about one of the CNN anchors were saying if you speak about women, you might do it to a group of women. It seems -- does it seem odd to you?
ANGELA RYE, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, here is the thing, Anderson, and take note because this is probably the first time and the last time on tonight's program I'm going to say something positive about Donald Trump. He went to Akron today. This is a place in the country that has a 31 percent demographic of African-Americans.
So I think that some of that criticism was heard. Kayleigh and Cory, congratulations on that point.
But I do think it's immensely troubling that the audience is not reflective of what America looks like and I think that goes toward what Donald Trump is saying more than anything else. He can go to Baltimore. He can go to, you know, the hearth of Brooklyn. He can go to Cleveland.
He can go to all of these places, but the crowd is still not going to reflect what America looks like because he's not talking about American values.
COOPER: Kayleigh, I mean, is this a message, we talked about this a lot last week. Does it surprise you that he continues to use this "what the hell do you have to lose?" and sort of saying, you know, you're walking down the street, you're going to get shot.
KAYLEIGH MCENANY, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: It doesn't, because -- in the whole hour of his speech, we heard probably 20 minutes of it devoted to giving solutions to the black community, like school choice. You know, you have NAACP now officially against charter schools. That's something that hurts African-American students who want to get out of some of the failing schools we've seen in these inner cities. We've heard him proffer school choice.
Likewise, we've heard him, you know, suggest that we need to bring more money here. We have 24 percent of franchise business owners are African-Americans and $2.1 trillion is made abroad. He wants to bring money here that help revitalize these businesses.
He has put forth solutions. U.S. immigrations, we had a U.S. civil rights commissioner sit before Congress and say that illegal immigration disproportionately harms the African-American community. That's the U.S. civil rights commissioner. Not Donald Trump. He has put forward solution.
COOPER: Tara, do you hear the solutions?
[20:10:00] TARA SETMAYER, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Now, he puts a couple of nuggets of things in there. But, you know, he had an opportunity to do this in front of the Urban League. The Urban League focuses on business and entrepreneurship. That would have been a natural location for Trump to do this months ago. Not when he when the polls came out showing him at 1 percent or 2 percent, and the other polls coming out, showing him getting blown out in critical states and knowing that he cannot win the presidency with just the angry white vote.
So, it seems really disingenuous to me. I'm sorry. I don't know that. Maybe I missed the meetings were Donald Trump was advocating for school choice right here in New York City, when the charter movement was going on here and there were thousands of black families that were marching here in New York City to keep those success academy schools open.
I missed Donald Trump's involvement in that. I missed Donald Trump's involvement in inner city scholarships. Now all of a sudden he cares so much about blacks in schools and what's going on. I missed all that. I missed his entrepreneurship programs that he possibly could have set up as a billionaire businessman who is so successful and likes to brag about it, where is his charity in those areas?
So, on top of that, Donald Trump has a history of problems with the black community going back to the civil rights cases against him in housing that were really -- I mean, I encourage people to read them.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
SETMAYER: You claimed, you excoriated me for not going to law school. But I read the case and I'm sorry but when you walk in to try to rent from somewhere and the manager put a C on your application to rent from there, as being told, and you go back and the Department of Justice goes up, you're not supposed to rent to colored people, that's what you're doing? That's a problem.
Donald Trump had to settle for $100 plus million over that. That's a problem. And also, when you take out full page ads against the Central Park
Five that were exonerated here in New York City and claim they should have gotten the death penalty and you never apologized for it, people remember these kinds of things.
When you are fined $200,000 for being black dealers being discriminated against in your casino in workplace discrimination, that's a problem. Donald Trump hasn't addressed those things.
COOPER: Corey, does he need to address that?
COREY LEWANDOWSKI, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Why don't we just talk about the facts in the African-American community since Barack Obama has been elected president of the United States, right?
We'll just go through the facts. The Census Bureau indicates that 26.2 percent of the African-American community today lives in poverty, 9.5 percent increase in lack of home ownership amongst the African- American community since they've taken over, since Barack Obama has taken over. Seven-point-four million African-Americans were on food stamps when he took over, 11.6 million are on food stamps today.
What has he done as the first African-American president to take those people and say, "I'm going to make your life better"? What Donald Trump for the first time is reaching out and saying, if you're not happy with those statistics -- those aren't my statistics. They're the Bureau of Labor statistics. If you're not happy with the way your life is, I'm offering you a different solution. I'm offering you an opportunity.
MARIA CARDONA, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Let's talk about that, Corey, because this has been talked about over and over. What seems to be missing from this argument is that people seem to forget that when Barack Obama took over, he took over the greatest economic recession since the Great Depression. And guess what happens under Great Recessions? Who suffers the most? African-American community and the Latino community.
Yes, we haven't gotten to where the African-American community and Latino community are, but we have made great strides and because of this president, despite the obstruction from Republicans, who have actually done zero to help him continue to put jobs in these communities. To make sure that there's no discrimination.
LEWANDOWSKI: And the murder rate in Baltimore is up 60 percent in a year. What are the great strides? Four million more people on food stamps since Barack Obama took office, African-Americans. What are the great strides that we're making? There are none is the bottom line --
CARDONA: Yes, there are. You're being disingenuous when you say that.
COOPER: Does it surprise you that Donald Trump has not gone to an African-American church? That he's not --
POWERS: Well, I think he should. But I'm not surprised by it, because he's probably a little worried about what kind of reaction he's going to get. I'm not sure he's ready for people possibly booing him or not being as receptive to his message as he would like them to be.
But, look, I think that the issues you just raised are important issues and I think there's nothing wrong -- there's nothing good about Donald Trump raising those issues if he wants to raise those issues. The problem is the way he's talking about them.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
POWERS: That's what's problematic.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Tone matters.
POWERS: And so, kudos to him to saying we need to focus on African- American community and help them. But actually, I think you were more articulate right there than he has been at any point frankly in talking about this.
RYE: And let me just -- let me just say this: the other problem you have is with Corey being a former campaign manager, talking about all of these things that are Barack Obama's fault, despite the fact that Maryland has a Republican governor, despite the fact that there are other people whose hands have touched policies and lives, whether we're talking about state and local elected officials, you're talking about the guy who was the spokesperson for the birther movement, that's just slightly offensive to black people who are so excited to having elected the first black president in this country.
[20:15:05] Not just alone but with white people, and brown people and Native Americans. So, that's kind of offensive. Not only is it disingenuous, it really smacks of disrespect. Because you're saying, oh, this guy, who is not a citizen, who didn't really go to Harvard. Maybe he did. Kenyan socialist Muslim, who is not American, created all these problems.
It's feeding right into that Breitbart theme you have going with the new campaign --
LEWANDOWSKI: I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is these are the statistics by this government and this administration. Not my statistics.
RYE: No, but you --
COOPER: But you understand her point about the fact that Donald Trump was behind the birther, so much of the --
LEWANDOWSKI: What does that have to do with the statistics that 4 million more people in the African-American --
COOPER: Well, it has to do is trust in the African-American community about whether or not he is actually the right --
RYE: Your messenger is inherently flawed.
LEWANDOWSKI: Twenty-six-point-two percent of the African-American community today lives in poverty.
RYE: What was the number when --
POWERS: You're identifying the problem.
RYE: What is the solution, telling black people they won't get shot?
POWERS: No, I'm just saying, you're identifying the problem. We're talking about the solution. So you could say there's this problem in the community.
But is Donald Trump the person to solve it? Is he putting forward ideas to solve it? Is he the right messenger, to her point? Is he the person people are going to listen to?
COOPER: We're going to continue this conversation. It's an important one. We'll look specifically right after this break as to how African-Americans see it in a neighborhood a few miles away from where Donald Trump spoke tonight. And then more with our panel.
COOPER: Welcome back.
You heard Donald Trump once again asked African-American voters, quote, "what the hell do you have to lose?" by voting for him, he said it to a largely white audience in Akron. He's yet to say it a largely African-American group of listeners.
By the number, the community is skeptical.
[20:20:03] Recent national polling from Pew Research showing just 2 percent of African-American voters support him. It's consistent with other polls, most of which put his number in the low single digits.
Tonight, our Gary Tuchman in Akron talks to some of the people behind those numbers, including some of the 2 percent who say they are supporting Donald Trump. Watch.
GARY TUCHMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): A ten-minute drive from Donald Trump's most recent rally takes you to a neighborhood in Akron, Ohio, with the highest percentage of African-Americans in the city. But these are not the kind of places Trump holds rallies even as he increasingly talks about African-Americans.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I am going to go for Hillary.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Clinton all the way.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Clinton. President Clinton.
TUCHMAN: This neighborhood in West Akron is not friendly territory for Trump, but it's less friendly now after he said this about African-Americans to an almost all-white audience a few days ago.
(on camera): What do you have to lose by trying something new like Trump? You're living in poverty. Your schools are no good. You have no jobs. Fifty-eight percent of your youth is unemployed. What the hell do you have to lose?
What do you think of that statement?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think it's stupid.
TUCHMAN (voice-over): And that opinion over what is widely seen here as racial stereotyping is one of the milder one.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think that's very insulting and kind of racist.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He don't care about blacks. He don't.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He's an idiot, personally.
TUCHMAN: Tasia Anderson just opened up her own boutique here in West Akron, 22 years old and says when she heard Trump make that statement and continue to talk about African-Americans, she felt --
TASIA ANDERSON, AKRON RESIDENT: You have the audacity to say that. But, you know, that's just how he does anything. He kind of says anything.
TUCHMAN: Kimberly Wilson is a principal at an Akron grade school with 90 percent African-American students. A new school here is about to begin in a recently built school building.
Donald Trump saying your schools are no good saddens her.
KIMBERLEY WILSON, SCHOOL PRINCIPAL: We have parents and teachers and staff that are dedicated to our students.
TUCHMAN: It surprises nobody we talked to here that Trump doesn't hold rallies in black neighborhoods.
(on camera): Do you think he's afraid to come to the black community?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I do. I feel he's afraid.
TUCHMAN: Why do you think he's afraid?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Because we'll tell him the truth. And the truth is far from him.
TUCHMAN (voice-over): There are similar sentiments among African- Americans in more racially mixed higher-income parts of Akron.
Norlande Dachis is a econd-year law student.
NORLANDE DACHIS, LAW STUDENT: It's very insulting and it surprises me that someone could think to say something like that, especially generalizing in such a way that he doesn't know any individual people.
TUCHMAN: But then we met Kenny Wells.
KENNY WELLS, AKRON RESIDENT: Right now, if I had to vote today, it would probably be Trump.
TUCHMAN: Wells believes Trump is speaking some hard truths.
WELLS: He is probably right. What do we have to lose?
TUCHMAN (on camera): So, you don't find that insulting and generalizing?
WELLS: No. I'm sure sooner or later, Democrats are going to insult me some kind of way, too. In fact, they have insulted me.
TUCHMAN: But Kenny Wells is a minority in a minority community. Of the 20 people we interviewed, he is the only one supporting Donald Trump.
Wendy White is one of the other 19.
WENDY WHITE: I'm black, OK? I haven't been through all what he thinks in his mind. I'm okay with me. I'm okay with what I do. I'm okay where I come from. I'm proud of me. I'm proud to be black, okay? That's how I feel about it.
COOPER: Gary joins us now.
What kind of support, if any, has Trump gotten at his rallies tonight from the African-American community?
TUCHMAN: Well, the capacity of this arena, Anderson, is about 5,500 and it was full, but it was full of mostly white faces. Very few African-Americans here, as we're used to seeing at Trump rallies.
But African-Americans we talked to who liked Trump are very loyal. I talked to three African-American women afterwards that said he's speaking the truth.
And then I talked to an African-American couple, and I read to them one of Donald Trump's quotes tonight. He was referring to the inner city when he said right now, you walk down the street, you get shot and they said that's what happens -- Anderson.
COOPER: All right. Gary Tuchman -- Gary, thanks very much.
Kayleigh, one of the other things Trump said tonight is you're safer off in some war zones overseas than you are in some communities in the United States. Do you know what he's talking about? What war zones are safer than communities here in the United States?
MCENANY: I can tell you this. In Chicago where we've had more than 2,000 homicides this year, you aren't safe walking down that street. And it's a shame. It's sad. We need to bring law and order back. I assume that's what he's talking about.
And also, "New York Times" reported roughly a dozen cities across the country that the homicide rates have gone up. Law and order is not in our community.
COOPER: When Donald Trump talks about law and order, though, what exactly does that mean? I mean, some folks hear law and order and think that's tougher sentencing, you know, lock more people up. And other people make the argument, well, actually, that doesn't help law and order if we have mass incarceration, we have this pipeline of people going in and out of prison.
[20:25:00] MCENANY: Well, I think one of the main things is bringing economic stability to some of our inner cities, which have been largely ignored over the last eight years. The numbers have gotten worse as Corey so articulately cited.
And, you know, to give an alternate perspective, Antioch Church down in North Carolina is an historically black church. They endorsed Donald Trump. Two of their members came on this network, the pastor came on this network, black pastor. And he was asked, why are you supporting Donald Trump? He said, "Because we cannot take more of the same."
Let's be honest here. Republicans and Democrats have failed many people in our inner cities. They've been ignored, they've given their vote, a lot of people in inner cities, to Democrats. They've been failed by Democrats. They've been failed by my party.
Donald Trump is outside the party system and is trying to make a change and saying, I'm not going to be the same Washington politician that makes promises that don't materialize.
COOPER: So, Kirsten, why doesn't the message is resonating, with more African-Americans?
POWERS: Well, because I think it's the messenger. I think there's a threshold you have -- there's sort of a threshold you have to reach with voters in terms of them trusting you. If you have a background of, for example, saying the president wasn't born in the United States and I need to see his birth certificate, right now, you haven't met your basic threshold of trust, just starting out.
And like I said, the way that he talks about a community, he talks about African-Americans as if they are all living in the inner city. There are no middle class, no upper class. They're not educated. It's a much broader community than that. I think he needs to be clearer about what he's talking about. It's not just about protecting people from getting shot walking down the street. It's about talking about the same issues that matter to everybody, quite frankly.
COOPER: It does seem, Angela, like the -- I mean, the kind of words you hear somebody say who has not spent much time in a variety of communities.
RYE: Yes, I think that, you know, he is talking about African- American people, as if we are monolithic. But that's because his thoughts about us are monolithic stereotypes, right? So, he's talking about things he sees on the evening news, he's talking about a Chicago street where we're not safe walking down.
Laquan McDonald wasn't safe and that was from the bullet of a law enforcement officer or several bullets from a law enforcement officer. In fact, a Cook County prosecutor lost her seat because of that.
So, I think that we have to be careful in relating what people are going through. You heard the woman on the Gary Tuchman clip saying, I'm proud of my blackness, I'm proud of who I am, I'm proud of where I came from. And I think a lot of us feel that way. On the contrary, you have Donald Trump going to what they're sayings an historically African-American church, took an historically African-American church and changed the name. I think 100 people went to the rally and that pastor has been a conservative for some time.
When Donald Trump goes to North Carolina, he is talking about voter suppression measures that were overturned by the court because they were fundamentally unconstitutional. Instead of protecting voting rights, something central to who we are as a people, Civil Rights Act of 1964, Voting Rights Act of 1965, Fair Housing Act of 1968. He constantly is touting talking points that fly in the face of all those things.
COOPER: Corey, does it matter? I mean, just from optics of the campaign, as a campaign manager, wouldn't you want your candidate saying some of these things directly to the people he's supposedly addressing?
LEWANDOWSKI: You know, what's amazing to me is that no one remembers that Donald Trump went to have a rally in Chicago at the university. And do you remember what happened? It was so chaotic and out of control that Secret Service and Chicago Police Department told him you could not get in and out of that facility safely and that rally was canceled.
You know, Donald Trump had that rally booked.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What does that mean?
LEWANDOWSKI: That is a black community. He went to the heart of Chicago to go and give a speech to the University of Chicago in a campus, which is predominantly African-American to make that argument. And you know what happened? The campus was overrun. And it was not a safe environment.
RYE: Cory and Kayleigh, would you acknowledge that black communities all over the country are not monolithic? If he tried to do that somewhere else it wouldn't necessarily happen?
LEWANDOWSKI: He wasn't allowed to make a speech in Chicago.
RYE: So go to Dallas. Go to Los Angeles.
LEWANDOWSKI: That community that's 31 percent African-American. You know what you're talking about? They're not about actually the details of what he's talking about, he's talking about where he's giving the presentation.
RYE: It matters.
LEWANDOWSKI: When he tries to go to give it --
RYE: I just tried to tell you it's not monolithic.
LEWANDOWSKI: So whose fault was it that --
RYE: It's not all black people's fault.
LEWANDOWSKI: I didn't say it was.
SETMAYER: Honest about the venue at the University of Chicago, it was not to go there to speak to an audience of black folks there, it was to go to a predominantly white audience like before.
LEWANDOWSKI: The audience was not white.
SETMAYER: Yes, it was.
LEWANDOWSKI: That even was open to everybody.
SETMAYER: Everything is open to everybody --
LEWANDOWSKI: So, were no African-Americans inside that event?
SETMAYER: It was not catered to them. That is a complete excuse for blaming it on the venue what happened in Chicago, that's number one. Number two, the point that was made, it's a very simple one. If you want to speak to women or to a group of single mothers, you're not going to go speak to a group of white business executives about an issue that affects single mothers. Tone matters. The venue absolutely does matter.
[20:30:05] LEWANDOWSKI: Chicago had the highest murder rate in the country, African-American people and that's not good enough.
SETMAYER: No, it's not good enough, because the ... LEWANDOWSKI: 2,000 people dead.
SETMAYER: ... urban league where there's actually black business owners ...
LEWANDOWSKI: You went to university that holds a larger ...
RYE: Hey Tara, Tara, explain that to me. Let me this -- Tara ...
SETMAYER: Go ahead.
RYE: Corey, whether his policy prescriptions for solving for the murder rate in Chicago, because I haven't heard him address.
LEWANDOWSKI: Look, he's never the Chicago Police Department, what they said is let us do our jobs, empower us to go do our jobs. That means give us the tools to make sure that we can have more people on the street, make sure the resources necessary to go and make sure we're stopping crimes.
We know who the criminals are. Let me ask you a question, what has Barack Obama done to make the city of Chicago safer?
RYE: No ...
LEWANDOWSKI: What has Hillary Clinton ...
RYE: Corey my question -- wait Maria, my question, because this is my issue, it only -- people only start caring about black lives when it's for political fodder. I've not heard Donald Trump before that -- yes he's called people that look like me, thugs, he's called Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin and Jordan Davis thugs. So -- and our side we're jumping and lifting up these mothers who are heroes to us, pillars of strength.
LEWANDOWSKI: Donald Trump is the first person in the 1990's when he opened up a club in (inaudible) to allow blacks ...
SETMAYER: Oh come on.
RYE: That was after the damn housing discrimination cases. Corey ...
LEWANDOWSKI: Federal court to allow African-American ...
RYE: Corey, that was to make up for ...
COOPER: One at a time, one at a time.
LEWANDOWSKI: What has Hillary Clinton done? What has Hillary Clinton done?
RYE: You really want to go down this road?
LEWANDOWSKI: Of course she did.
RYE: She doesn't have a club, Corey.
COOPER: Wait, wait, wait. OK guys one at a time, Tara.
SETMAYER: I'm really sick and tired of the Mar-a-Largo thing as a talking point. The reason why Donald Trump sue he called up, he was trying to make changes at that club and the Palm Beach community wasn't happy with him because he was new money there and they found him ostentatious and obnoxious. So he used the Black and Jewish thing at that club as leverage to get what he wanted in that community ...
LEWANDOWSKI: A federal judge ruled ...
SETMAYER: So for his own purposes, it was for a selfish reason.
COOPER: Let Corey respond and now we're going to take a break, but Tara let Corey respond.
LEWANDOWSKI: Absolutely African-Americans and Jews should be allowed into this club ...
SETMAYER: Sure, of course.
LEWANDOWSKI: He sued to allow them to get into the club.
SETMAYER: After he got there ...
SETMAYER: ... he needed to get what he wanted. What else has Donald Trump done? That's the only thing you can point to?
LEWANDOWSKI: Sided with Donald Trump.
SETMAYER: What else can you point to Donald Trump ...
COOPER: We're going to take a break, we'll be right back, we'll continue this discussion.
[20:36:25] COOPER: And talking about Donald Trump's recent comments about African-American and his line which repeated tonight or he repeated tonight and send it to Latinos as well, what the hell do you have to lose?
Back with the panel. Kirsten, there some who believe that even if Donald Trump doesn't believe he can make inroads among African- Americans that by talking about issues about African-Americans it sends a message to independent voters others who maybe on the defense that he is open minded, he is trying to reach out.
POWERS: I think -- yeah -- I think that's part of it. I also think he enjoys kind of sticking it to Hillary Clinton, he likes calling her a bigot, trying to suggest that somehow she doesn't care about African-Americans, an opportunity to attack Barack Obama as well.
But I think that when we talked a lot about how he talks about the African-American community and I just think that there are just so many issues in the way that he addresses them that if he could figure out a way -- so for an example, saying to them what do you have to lose, kind of -- it's somewhat condescending, because it sort of suggest and, you know, I notice conservatives do this a lot that somehow a black Americans aren't really thinking about who they're voting for. They're just voting for Democrats because that's what they do.
And it's not that they actually have really rational reasons for making these decisions and so it's not just oh, what do we have to lose? We're just going to go with the other party.
And so I think if he could be more sensitive. Again, I give him credit of talking about the issues. I just think if he could be more sensitive about the way he's talking about it and try to understand how his coming across, he might be a little more of.
COOPER: Maria, do you think that they it's not just the messenger though, it's part of the message?
CARDONA: Oh absolutely, and I think part of the reason why, you know, the Trump campaign loves talking about how their message of law and order is going to resonate in African-American communities and then in Latino communities.
The reason why it won't is because you cannot go to these communities and just talk about half of the problem. He has never acknowledged that there actually is discrimination going on, that there are actually while the majority of cops are honorable and great and focused on keeping us safe, there are cops out there that are biased, that do engage in discrimination and that should not be on the street.
So if you don't acknowledge that, you're not going to be given the credibility. You talked about threshold. This is a huge issue with African-Americans and Latinos. And it's the reason why Republicans have had such a problem in making inroads into these communities, it's called threshold issues. If you don't talk to us with credibility about issues of criminal justice, law and order, immigration, which is very emotional and personal, we're not going to listen to you on anything else, regardless of the economics that are going on.
MCENANY: He has said in many speeches that there are cops that who bad, that needs to be remove. Rudy Giuliani said that, we heard Sheriff Clarke say that at the RNC, they have acknowledge that, there are issues that need to be dealt with, criminal justice issues.
Do I think they need to proffer a bigger plan for exactly how they're going to tackle it criminal justice? Yes. But they have put forward this economic vision in a rising tide lifts all boats. When the economy just swell, when you bring $2 trillion, that from overseas, when you end things like the TPP which Clinton was the architect of and called it the gold standard of trade deals, that helps the African-American community, the Hispanic community, for Latin community.
CARDONA: Except, for that was already tried -- that was already tried under Reagan, under both Bushes and guess what Democrats where the ones who had to clean up behind them both those administrations and it has been a fact within the last three decades, it has been Democrats that have put forward the policies that have raised -- that raised employment and raised economics.
COOPER: That has raised (inaudible) Gary Tuchman talks he said, you know, what Democrats insult me by thinking that I'll automatically vote for them.
CARDONA: Well and, you know what, that is an issue that Democrats needs to think about. Not just for African-Americans but for Latinos. Can I just tell you, when George W. Bush was in office, it was a challenge talking to Latinos about making sure that they voted for Democrats. Why? Because George W. Bush actually cared and understood the Hispanic community, went into this communities, really understood what was underneath and talked about comprehensive immigration reform.
CARDONA: Talked about a real solution.
[20:40:07] COOPER: OK, Kayleigh, and now we got to go
MCENANY: In that -- well that's today that African-American individual is $11,000 for a white individual it's $142,000. That is horrifying.
MCENANY: What has Barack Obama done and will Hillary Clinton do to remedy that gap?
CARDONA: Well, first of all, he took great pains against Republican obstructionism to keep us from going into another great depression. And, yes, that mattered because at the height of the great recession, unemployment for African-Americans was double digits. It is -- it has been half that. We have to go further but Barack Obama has done a lot.
COOPER: The latest on Hillary Clinton's e-mails, Republican law makers and Trump calling for more to be done to investigate.
Plus, we'll get a big dose of campaign insight, (inaudible) James Carville joins us when "360" continues.
COOPER: This breaking news tonight, the story that Hillary Clinton has not been able to shake, her use of a personal e-mail account when she was secretary of state. Republican House lawmakers today subpoenaed three technology companies involved in running Secretary Clinton's home e-mail server.
And today a federal district court judge ordered the State Department to give a timetable for releasing nearly 15,000 documents, some of them new many of them e-mails uncovered by the FBI's investigation of Clinton's personal e-mail account and server.
[20:45:12] And just to be clear, many those documents were not among the 30,000 e-mails Clinton's lawyers handed over last year. Jeff Zeleny joins us now with the latest.
So do we know what is contained in these documents?
JEFF ZELENY, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: Anderson, we don't know exactly what's contained of this news that have documents, because we haven't seen them. They are not part of this big trove of e-mails the Clinton campaign released last year.
So that is simply fueling more speculations and questions about why this weren't released in the first place. Now, the FBI found them during its year-long investigation. So that means they have been reviewed and they were part of the FBI director's decision to say she was careless but not engaging in criminal wrongdoing here. But the public won't know exactly what's in them until at least a month from now, or longer, which, of course, is part of the whole issue here because the election is just about two months away.
COOPER: There was a separate batch e-mails released that brings about questions with the Clinton Foundation.
ZELENY: That's right. And a lot of these questions are being fueled again today by this new batch of e-mails released by the conservative watchdog group, the judicial watch. Now this group has been filing suit for many of these e-mails, a lot of them included conversations between Hillary Clinton's top aide, Huma Abedein and long time aide to President Clinton, Doug Band.
Now, in one of that we saw today, he is trying to schedule a meeting between the Crown Prince of Bahrain, a major foundation donor and Secretary Clinton. He ended up getting that meeting which he was apparently unable to get through proper channels. The Clinton campaign is dismissing all of this, saying she never gave any special treatment to people who donated to the foundation.
But Anderson, the whole reason this is an issue at all, it's her unprecedented decision in January of '09 to use a private e-mail server in the first place that continues to haunt her tonight. Anderson?
COOPER: All right. Jeff Zeleny. Jeff, thanks.
Hillary Clinton responded to all this with silence from past couple of weeks, she's really been staying out of the spotlight as the Trump campaign turns out headlines, few people know more about Clinton campaign tactics and Democratic Strategists and the long time Clinton for James Carville who joins me, his new book is called "We're Still Right, They're Still Wrong." He joins me now.
It's great to have you.
JAMES CARVILLE, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: Thank you, Anderson.
COOPER: The title of the book, it's not exactly reaching out in a bipartisan way to independents.
COOPER: We're Still Right, They're Still Wrong.
CARVILLE: No, it really isn't. I wrote a book in 1990 that came out in 1996 after the defeat, and I talked about things that I said to performance of the country and the Democratic presidents as opposed to Republican presidents.
And now we've had two successful Democratic presidents by any measure up to and including public opinion and we've a disastrous Republican presidency. So I went back and revisited a lot of the things that we talked about and many Democrats just don't understand how superior performance in office is under Democratic presidents or Republican presidents. So I'm making a point with them.
If anybody picks it up and reads I start the book with a story about a climate skeptic at Berkeley who did all the research and said no what, you know what? It's right. So I don really expect, you know, a lot of people in the middle to pick it up. But if you do, be careful, because you might get converted.
COOPER: I got to ask you about some of these things. You know, first of all, the story of Jeff Zeleny just reported on it, I can see sort of yeah Trump at the debate, well he's talking about.
I mean -- I know you probably think sits much if you about nothing. But there is this drip, drip, drip of ...
COOPER: ... you know, and now e-mails have come out.
CARVILLE: Let me get. First of all, is anybody looked at Bahrain? It's probably then the most significant U.S. ally in the gulf.
CARVILLE: And the idea that the Crown Prince of Bahrain who have requested from me with me. And listen, and one report ...
COOPER: But it sounded like he had to do it through the Clinton Foundation with Doug Band.
CARVILLE: Again, sometimes there's follow-up. Sometimes there's follow-up. But the idea that the secretary of state is meeting with the Crown Prince of a critical ally of which we ...
COOPER: But it's kind of it's like, you know ...
CARVILLE: ... you know what ...
COOPER: A Hollywood executive ...
CARVILLE: Hang on. Hang on. Who is 92 years old, because given a hundreds of millions of dollars to the cause of Middle East peace. I mean its ceratin ...
COOPER: It's another watchmen who wants a visa interview for a guy who had a criminal record.
CARVILLE: Again, then maybe Danny has given got, don't how much money to how many charities to the Democratic Party? It has nothing to do with him. But if until somebody well, they -- or as they pointed out a lot of times they just didn't take any action. But sometimes in Washington, a donor, a congressman calls on behalf of somebody. Then a stuff is all right -- what is unusual about the Crown Prince of a critical ally in the gulf getting a meeting with the secretary of state? It's everybody -- oh, god, what are we going to do? Somebody made a phone call.
COOPER: We're going to take a break, we're going to talk more with bout James about this and then a lot more other things, including whether it's a good strategy for Secretary Clinton to be staying kind of quiet throughout a lot of this. We'll be right back.
[20:53:30] COOPER: Talking about the latest turn Hillary Clinton's e- mail saga is taken tonight in Akron, Ohio, Donald Trump turned up the heat.
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DONALD TRUMP, (R) PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: The amounts involved, the favors done and the significant number of times it was done require an expedited investigation by a special prosecutor, some former prosecutors have even suggested that the coordination between the pay for play State Department and the Clinton Foundation constitute a clear example of Rico racketeering influence, corrupt organization enterprise. (END VIDEO CLIP)
COOPER: Democratic strategist, long-time Clinton supporter James Carville is back with me and his new book is "We're Still Right: They're Still Wrong." I mean Trump now is saying that's about a special prosecutor ...
CARVILLE: There were just like get out, can't be in position. I mean why go so they. I mean here's a guy who doesn't release his tax returns, and, you know, talking about something by the way the FBI investigated the e-mail stuff and thought that ...
COOPER: With the Clinton Foundation, if as president she says she's not going to -- they're not going to accept foreign donations, why was it OK for her as secretary of state to have the foundation?
CARVILLE: Let me first of all let me say, the Clintons never took a nickel out of the foundation. In fact, they gave $1 million so less up, there was no, there not a penny. The second thing is I'm sorry, but the foundations like negotiated drug prices reduces malaria drugs about 89 percent. I mean how many people that they have been it is under charity watch a five star rated charity. You can't get a higher rating for a charity.
[20:55:04] So the Clinton Foundation was, A, taking no money for the Clintons, raising money from rich people and giving it to poor people. And all of a sudden, the press has decided that we're going to go after this and shut it down. You know what, you're probably going to be successful. And there're going to be people that are going to die because of this. Everything that I have been associated with Bill Clinton, with the three things I'm most proud of, first, he stopped the genocide in Bosnia. Second, the human genome project of which my kids and grand children will forever thank him for. And third is the Clinton Foundation. The number of lives that they have ...
COOPER: And more than a million people have access to low cost HIV drugs ...
CARVILLE: Yes, it's like one-third what they did, it's like 10 million people have.
COOPER: But then why don't you hear Hillary Clinton and others, more Democrats making that argument?
CARVILLE: Well I don't -- again, when George W. Bush was president his daddy was raising money for the Bush Library. I thought that was fine. I didn't care. When Bob Dole was majority leader, Elizabeth Dole was the president of American Red Cross. I didn't say anything.
And the idea that there something in here that the Crown Prince of Bahrain, if he wanted to, he could have -- hire the president to give a speech as opposed to give it to a foundation which he makes no money from, which he donates all of his time, which he actually gives money out of his own pocket for.
COOPER: So what you ... CARVILLE: I mean, you know, somebody that's shutting this down and they going to shut it down and that people are going to die. And all of the people that helped shut it down will say gee, we did -- so a few -- you know, some people, a million people had to die but we had to prove a point. OK, go ahead. You have your point. Wow. What a great idea.
COOPER: When you look at the polls, when you look at where the race is now, how confident are you in Secretary Clinton?
CARVILLE: Well, you know, I've always thought that this is very difficult for a Democrat to lose a presidential election in this day and age but I'm confident but let me tell you, there's 325 million people in the United States. Two have a chance to be the next president. One of them is named Donald Trump.
So that motivates me every day. But honestly, if you said to me James, would you rather be, you know, on your side, the other side right now, I like our side right now. I think we've, you know, we're doing all right but you got to stay motivated, you got to stay out there.
COOPER: The book is "We're Still Right, They're Still Wrong." James Carville, is always a pleasure to have you.
CARVILLE: Thank you, Anderson.
COOPER: Yeah, appreciate it.
CARVILLE: Thank you very much.
COOPER: Much more ahead on this two-hour edition of "360" including Donald Trump's speech in Akron, Ohio. His remarks directed to African-Americans once again telling them what do you got to lose. We'll be right back.