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Trump Campaigns In North Carolina; Clinton Holds In-Flight Press Conference; New CNN/ORC Poll: Clinton, Trump Now in Virtual Tie; Bill Clinton Slams Trump's Donation To Florida AG; Clinton's "University Problem"?; Fox Apologizes In Sexual Harassment Settlement; Trump Campaign Boosts African-American Voter Outreach. Aired 8-9p ET

Aired September 6, 2016 - 20:00   ET


[20:00:15] ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: Good evening. Thanks for joining us.

It's exactly nine weeks before the presidential election. There will be a face-off the likes of which this country has never seen and in a new nationwide CNN/ORC poll shows Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are locked in a virtual tie. We'll have much more in that poll in just a moment.

Also tonight, Trump's latest change on immigration, where he says he stands now and whether his mutable position on Keystone of his campaign even matters to his supporters.

We begin tonight though with both candidates on the campaign trail, and now inviting reporters on to their respective planes. We'll start in Greenville, North Carolina, where Trump just wrapped up a rally, where Sarah Murray was there.

What did Trump say to his supporters tonight?

SARA MURRAY, CNN POLITICS REPORTER: Anderson, Trump really laid out what sounded a lot like what was a traditional 100-day plan for a candidate, talking about how he was going to build a wall along the southern border, talking about wanting to repeal Obamacare and he's been hitting this national security theme today and he continued to do it here in North Carolina, take a listen to what he had to say about his plans for dealing with ISIS.


DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: So, we're going to convene my top generals and give them a simple instruction. They will have 30 days to submit to the Oval Office, a plan, for soundly and quickly defeating ISIS. We have no choice.


MURRAY: Now, in addition to this, Trump said that the U.S. would work hand in hand if he were president with any nation who wanted to defeat ISIS. Earlier, today, he was talking about working more closely with Russia for instance -- Anderson. COOPER: He also used the speech to go after Hillary Clinton over her e-mails and the FBI report, right?

MURRAY: Yes. Absolutely. He was laying into her this evening more harshly than we've heard him before and essentially saying, the way she handled her private e-mail server, put national security at risk. He said it was disqualifying in her pursuit for the presidency. And he essentially called out some of her behavior like destroying phones, like wiping her emails. He called it shady behavior and compared it to the behavior of a criminal.

COOPER: All right. Sara Murray -- Sara, thanks very much.

We now go to Tampa, Florida, where Hillary Clinton had a campaign event this afternoon, focusing on national security and veterans issues. She also took questions from reporters.

Joe Johns joins me now.

So, let's talk about first of all, taking questions today and yesterday, from the press corps on her plane, the fact that it's even a story says s something. It's something reporters have talked about for months. What did she actually have to say?

JOE JOHNS, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: Well, it's a tradition and it goes back years and years and years, quite frankly, Anderson. Look, she used this opportunity, a second opportunity to talk to reporters where she felt as though she was treated unfairly. Also to launch some attacks on Donald Trump, she talked about what she called the scams, and fraud, the questionable business relationships and she also touched on a public report that questions a donation from a Trump Foundation to the Florida attorney general.

She also once again weighed into the issue of Donald Trump not releasing his tax returns. Here's what she said about that.


HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: He said that the American people don't care about his tax returns. And, in fact, he's also said that it's none of our business. I just think he's dead wrong. I'm going to continue to raise this because I think it is a fundamental issue about him in this campaign that we're going to talk about in one way or another for the next 62 days, because he clearly has something to hide.


JOHNS: And as far as the controversies that have surrounded her and her campaign this year and even before that, Hillary Clinton said her political enemies and her opponents are going to continue to go after her essentially because that's what they do, Anderson.

COOPER: And Clinton and Trump had dueling events today on national security. She was speaking in Tampa earlier, what did she talk about there? JOHNS: Well, I think the first thing you have to say about that is

we're going to hear a little bit more about in the coming days because this is the run-up to the anniversary of September 11th. Mrs. Clinton will not be on the campaign trail on that day, on Sunday, neither will Donald Trump.

So, she talked extensively about national security on this trip to Tampa. She pushed hard on the issue of veterans, suggesting that Donald Trump has taken positions over the last several years that we're always opposed to veterans' interests, and took a hard line on that.

Clearly, Mrs. Clinton trying to sort of flip the narrative on trust that has dogged her throughout the campaign and questioned Donald Trump on his vulnerabilities, Anderson.

COOPER: I also understand she'll have new faces stumping for her on the trail.

[20:05:00] JOHNS: That's right. A lot of surrogates out here and probably the most important ones we're going to start seeing very soon will be Michelle Obama, the first lady. She's going to be going to Virginia next week, as well as Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren. She'll be in Philadelphia on Friday.

So, more surrogates on the trail. Just another indication that the tempo is really beginning to pick up now that we've gone past Labor Day.

COOPER: Yes, certainly is. Joe Johns -- Joe, thanks. It would be a challenge to find two candidates who are more different than Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump which makes it all the more interesting that here we are, about two months away from the election, they're essentially tied in a new CNN/ORC poll, national numbers. That is just the beginning of the story, though.

CNN's "INSIDE POLITICS" anchor John King is here to break it down by the numbers.

And the new poll certainly is a stark difference from our last national poll, which had Clinton leading by eight points.

JOHN KING, CNN CHIEF NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: It is, Anderson. Causing a lot of buzz and eye rolls, as well.

Let's look first at our likely voters. Our likely voters has Trump ahead, 45-43, that's a statistical tie, but it's a very first poll in a very long time, national poll, to show Trump ahead.

Now, I will you this, Donald Trump bragged about this today. His campaign is trying to raise money off it, saying, see, we're in the lead, send in money. His own pollsters are telling Mr. Trump that their numbers, Anderson, show Secretary Clinton still has a small national lead. The Clinton campaign says the same thing.

So, let's watch in the days ahead, we'll see if this is an outlier, it happened sometimes, or whether there is a shift for Trump among likely voters, that put Trump ahead. But there's no doubt, no doubt, that the race is tightening in part because Secretary Clinton, Anderson, has lost her post-convention glow.

After the Democratic convention, this is registered voters. She had an eight-point lead. Now, she has three-point lead among registered voters. So, there is a debate going on about our likely voter screen, the sample and the like, but there's no question if you look deep into the data, this race is tightening and maybe Trump is on top a little and maybe Clinton is on top a little, but it's close.

COOPER: What's behind the drop for her?

KING: There's no question. Again, when you look at this, number one, on the big issues, coming out of the Democratic Convention and Secretary Clinton looking at the economy and she had pulled in essentially a tie with Donald Trump a little bit ahead of him on who would best handle the economy after trailing him for months on this big and defining question in any presidential race now among registered voters. She's well behind Mr. Trump again and maybe in part because she's been advertising on this issue in the past few weeks after not advertising much for a long time.

That's one of the questions. And what were we talking about last week, quite a bit? The Clinton Foundation, email questions, which candidate is more honest and trustworthy. After the convention, she still trailed Trump here, after both conventions. But by eight points, it's a 15-point gap now.

There's no question, this honesty, trustworthiness, personal character questions is still a problem.

COOPER: One of the post-convention headlines was that Clinton was leading among independents, which obviously is a group Romney won on Election Day. Has she kept that edge?

KING: She has not and again, we talked about that right after the convention, saying if she was going to lead among independents on Election Day, she would win, because as you noted, Romney won that group by five points.

Now, among likely voters, this is the part of the poll that's controversial in some quarters, Trump has a 20-point lead among independents. If you look just at registered voters, it's an eight- point lead, but that's still a big change. If you just focus the registered voters part of this, again, we'll see if recall polls back us up on the likely voters and if you focus the registered post- convention, Clinton had a tie, 35-33, a little bit ahead. Now, she's eight points down.

We know independents don't really love either of these candidates and they've been swinging back and forth and at the moment, they're turning back to Trump.

KING: All right. John King, thank you. We're going to hear more from John. Plus, what our panel has to say all about this latest polling next.

Also ahead, Trump reaching out to African-American voters, for the first time he went to an African-American church over the weekend. Polling at 1 percent to 2 percent support among African-Americans. Can he possibly improve that? We'll take a look.

Also coming up, big news tonight about one Trump's informal adviser, former FOX News head Roger Ailes. FOX has reached a settlement deal with the anchorwoman who sued Roger Ailes for sexual harassment. The details and the fallout when we continue.


[20:12:21] COOPER: Well, the big news, tonight, among other things new CNN/ORC poll shows Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton in a statistical tie among likely voters nationwide. Clinton holds a commanding lead when it comes to nonwhite voters and women, and is leading in almost all battleground states.

A lot to talk about. Back with me, CNN "INSIDE POLITICS" anchor John King. Also, joining us, CNN political analyst and "USA Today" columnist Kirsten Powers, chief political correspondent Dana Bash, chief political analyst Gloria Borger, CNN political commentator and Trump supporter Jeffrey Lord, CNN political commentator and Democratic strategist Maria Cardona, who was a senior adviser to the Clinton campaign in 2008, former congressman and current senior adviser to the Trump campaign, Jack Kingston, CNN political commentator and Clinton supporter Hilary Rosen, and CNN military analyst, retired Army Lieutenant General Mark Hertling.

Gloria, what do you make of these national numbers? A lot of people say, look, national numbers don't really matter. Obviously, what it boils down is the battleground states and still, better to be where Trump is right now in this than where he was.


Look, I think that the race is clearly shifting in his direction and he seems to have cut her lead in half if we think the polling is accurate. But there are a lot of undecided voters, by some polls, as much as 20 percent undecided voters. It's a volatile race at this point.

You have undecideds, and you have a third-party candidate and swing states tend to rise and fall together. So, if this were to move, continue to move in Trump's direction, I think you would have swing states moving and then you'd be talking some serious stuff here. We don't see that yet. But if you had a few more points, you might.

COOPER: I mean, a 20-point lead for Trump among independents, that's a good number for him.

DANA BASH, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: No, that's nothing to sneeze at, no question. I think another way to answer your question of what we think of the poll is to see what Hillary Clinton has done for the past two days, maybe not with this particular poll, but clearly what they are seeing --

COOPER: Talking to reporters.

BASH: Internally, she's changed dramatically. Now, yes, you can talk it up to the fact that it is post-Labor Day and it's time to get real, but it's also because Donald Trump has for the past two and a half weeks stopped being the gift that keeps on giving to her and she's got to get out there and sort of make some hay about him, which he has done finally by talking to reporters and using that effectively.

COOPER: She's been essentially off the public trail, raising tons of money and, you know, fancy things for rich people, but this is the time she clearly wants to get back in front of the camera.

KIRSTEN POWERS, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, yes, and also, during the time this poll was taken, it was bad news for her as well. So, she's not playing on the field and she's also having bad news about her e-mails and the foundation -- the two things that seem to feed into these trust numbers which are a problem for her.

[20:15:01] I think the other thing that has to be a concern is the enthusiasm gap which was kind of astonishing, 55 percent of Hillary Clinton voters are less enthusiastic about voting than usual, and 56 percent of Trump voters are more enthusiastic. I mean, that is a huge gap.

COOPER: And, John, I mean, that's the narrative certainly of the Trump campaign all along, which is our voters are enthusiastic ones, they're waiting for hours to get into the rallies and have been for months.

KING: I don't think there's any question his voters are coming. I don't think there's any question and I think the Democrats would concede this, that she does have a motivational issue with some Latinos, especially male Latinos, after the FBI testimony. Male Latino numbers are down and among African-Americans who were incredibly loyal to President Obama, who some said she's not Barack Obama, getting them to turnout to identify people and turn them out. They had the advantage of the president being among the surrogates and the first lady being among the surrogates.

Trust me, it's not a coincidence where they're going and when they're going. It's all time around open voting.

I think what's fascinating, don't take one poll if you're a Trump supporter, don't take this poll and go to Vegas. If you're a Clinton supporter, don't take this poll and go to the bar. But it does tell you something about trend lines in the race.

And what's interesting to me is, if she starts dropping down. Forget the national number. If she starts s dropping down to 45 in Ohio, in Florida, it's hard to see Trump getting 50 of these states, it's hard to see Trump getting 48 in some of these states.

But if he can start to win states, Bill Clinton won the presidency with 43 percent of the national vote, with Ross Perot. If she starts dropping to 43, 44 in some of these battleground states, Donald Trump can get 45. So that maybes Ohio look different and it makes Florida look different, it makes North Carolina look different.

He still has to turn a blue state. Even if he gets those three, but that's the interesting part to me. The third-party candidates, Gary Johnson is drawing evenly if you look at the polls. Everyone says he's drawing evenly. But those are Republicans who are voting for Gary Johnson, a lot of them who just -- they're never Trump's and if they didn't have the option of voting for Gary Johnson, they might vote for Hillary.

KING: Before I go over to our partisans, I want to bring in General Mark Hertling.

General Hertling, the talk from Donald Trump tonight that as president, he would order his generals to give him a plan within 30 days to quickly defeat ISIS. Just from a military standpoint, is that realistic? Is that how it works to come up with that sort of a plan even if one can inside of a month?

LT. GEN. MARK HERTLING (RET.), CNN MILITARY ANALYST: Well, I heard the simplistic orders that he gave in terms of giving 30 days to find a plan to soundly and decisively defeat ISIS. Anderson, I had to ask myself, what the hell does he think we've been trying to do for the last 14 years in terms of al Qaeda?

It shows a complete lack of understanding of the threat and the ways to fight it. It's a sophomoric approach to national -- to elements of national security policy because if he's just calling in the military, he's missing the point that there are several other elements of national security that will help defeat ISIS. There have been some very good advances made against this element of terrorism, and he might want to take a look at other countries in the way he fought terrorism and attempted to defeat them to include our allies, Israel.

This is something that's going to go on for a very long time. This is a generational threat. You just don't say beat it in 30 days because it's frankly, insulting to the individuals who've been attempting to put their -- all their strength on the line to defeat it over the last 16 years and there are a lot of military people who have been working very hard to defeat this threat and ensure national security.

COOPER: Jeffrey Lord, as a Trump supporter, what about General Hertling's notion that this is in a way insulting, implying that those who are fighting this aren't trying to beat them?

JEFFREY LORD, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: The one thing I would point out -- I think, I saw it today. I mean, all of these clips running around all of the time, but I thought I saw today, Donald Trump sitting with former general, Retired General Flynn. I have to believe, I mean, you had this announcement to your head, so many military people coming out and endorsing him -- I have to believe that now he is really talking to the generals.

This is no longer his casual remark that he watches the shows. I think he really is talking to these folks. So, I would just say that I think based -- he's getting where he wants to go based on these conversations.

COOPER: General Hertling, what about the notion which clearly a lot of Trump supporters believe that the military has one hand tied behind their back with the rules of engagement? That's something the Trump campaign has talked on and off for months, that leaflets are given to sort of tell people to leave an area that there's going to be an attack as opposed to just going after truckloads of convoys and worrying about the drivers themselves?

HERTLING: Yes, truthfully, Anderson, that's a bad narrative. I've heard it many times before. I don't see anyone -- and I've talked to many of my colleagues on the battlefield. They're not claiming, the leaders aren't claiming that their hands are tied behind their back. They are going after these individuals with a vengeance, with special operations forces and with intelligence collection.

And truthfully to Jeffrey Lord's point, the 88 generals and admirals mostly admirals, by the way, on that list who claim that they're supporting Trump now, I'm very surprised and I didn't recognize many of those names in the fight with me over the last 16 years. There aren't a whole lot of names on that list that were actually in the fight against al Qaeda or several of the other forces.

[20:20:00] And I think, frankly, 88 generals and as I -- I would echo what many others have said, is that all he can get because most of the names on that list are, frankly, Navy admirals who have not been on the ground in this fight.

COOPER: General Hertling, thank you.

Hilary Rosen, as a Clinton supporter, do you like what you see in terms of her coming out on the plane and talking to reporters? There's something obviously, reporters, I mean, we've been discussing, clearly she's responding to that, but also as, you know, the panel over here to these poll numbers.

HILARY ROSEN, HILLARY CLINTON SUPPORTER: Well, look, the fact that we're just seeing her more on TV is an important thing and that people are getting more of her engagement. She has been out there doing events every single day, talking to parents, talking to educators, talking to community leaders.

So, she has been there. It's just it hasn't been the kind of thing that the media has tended to cover the way that they're covering Trump's big rallies and even this afternoon.


ROSEN: Anderson, even this afternoon when Hillary and Trump ended up in dueling press conferences, all three networks turned away from Hillary and went to the Trump press conference.

So, she is out there answering questions. So I just don't buy that she's not accessible.

Having said that, look, he has been dominating the conversation for the last three weeks, and four weeks and it has helped her raise money, but it has not helped her in the national conversation.

And what she needs to do now is be in the national conversation, frankly, in my view and not only talking about Donald Trump. You know, there's too much conversation about Donald Trump. The American people now need to hear a little more from Hillary Clinton about what she's going to be doing for them.

COOPER: Congressman, one of the things she has been talking about is saying that she's going to go after Donald Trump and the taxes, that they're going to hit, try to hit this every day and get this drumbeat going.

Do you think that's something clearly Trump supporters don't seem to care about, do you think that's something that can help Clinton and hurt Trump among independents, among undecideds?

JACK KINGSTON, DONALD TRUMP SUPPORTER: I really don't. To get back to the poll, one of the key findings was that he is leading on the economy because he keeps --

COOPER: Right economy and national security.

KINGSTON: Yes, economy and terrorism and national security and he's been talking about jobs and he also has been going to the front of the action and went to Milwaukee, went to Detroit, went to Baton Rouge, went to Mexico, while she was raising money on Martha's Vineyard, which, you know, that's going to have some benefit to it.

But I think during that period of time, he was showing leadership and to get an 11-point swing and the poll shows that he's talking about issues that people care as opposed to, I got you on the tax returns, because people on household income has fallen from $57,000 to $53,000 over a 15-year period of time, they're more concerned about their jobs and their future and the economy.

COOPER: Maria, are you concerned about this poll or this swing?

MARIA CARDONA, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Yes. Let me put it this way, and I have said this many times on your show, Anderson -- Democrats need to wake up every morning and believe that she's ten points behind, because what has worried me about the recent polls where she is anywhere between eight and ten points ahead is that you get complacency. You get complacency from Democrats, even complacency from those who cannot fathom Donald Trump being in the Oval Office, because he says such outrageous things and then they see these polls, and they say there's no way that this man will ever get elected.

So, I'm actually glad that we're seeing these kinds of polls and this will put a fire under Democrats who are concerned that there is a chance that this man can get into the Oval Office to make sure they can get out there and register and get out there and vote.

COOPER: Jeffrey Lord has been saying that, by the way, from day one.

(LAUGHTER) BORGER: Not only was Hillary Clinton fund-raising and by the way, she raised, what, $123 million. She did very well. But there was the whole e-mail controversy which she was not out there addressing. Donald Trump was talking about it.

So, she created this vacuum into which Donald Trump just kind of ran and took over the narrative on that. Now, she's trying to get it back.

ROSEN: Create the scenario where the principals can get that attention and she's got to speak for herself, but there is an important point and John will agree with me here. There are only two campaigns being run here. There is sort of this national campaign where we have an 800-voter sample and all of that, but in the battleground states that matter, Hillary Clinton still is holding a significant lead. That's where she is talking to local press, local folks -- that's where she's leading.

COOPER: The congressman and then we have to go.

KINGSTON: She really hasn't had a press conference at all and I think the reality is --


KINGSTON: She had a -- I will say, if they were swimming she'd put her foot in the water and she did not know how to swim.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Right. She got questions from reporters.

COOPER: All right. We're going to talk more later in the program and a lot of ground to cover ahead, including the private for profit university that paid Bill Clinton billions of dollars while his wife was secretary of state. It also made donations to the Clinton Foundation. Now, some are calling it Hillary Clinton's university problems, we'll look at what the details on that are.


[20:24:09] COOPER: Campaigning today in North Carolina, Bill Clinton slammed Donald Trump for donation to group backing Florida's Attorney General Pam Bondi which resulted in a fine.


BILL CLINTON, FORMER PRESIDENT: His foundation was recently fined by the government for actually paying out of the foundation. If you put money in the family foundation you don't pay taxes on it because you will give it away. You can't make a political contribution.

He made a political contribution to the attorney general of Florida who at the time had her office investigating Trump University. And mysteriously, the investigation vanished.


COOPER: To be clear, was there no actual investigation under way when the donation was made. Rather, the attorney general's staff was looking into complaints about Trump University while weighing whether to launch the investigation. Her office decided not to pursue a case. Trump said there was no quid pro quo.

[20:30:02] We'll have that in our next hour with the detailed look at that. Now back to the Clintons and the university they are connected to and are profited from Laureate International University as called. Like Trump University it's a private for profit organization, it also is close ties to Clinton Foundation.

Our senior investigative correspondent Drew Griffin tonight looks into it.


DREW GRIFFIN, CNN SENIOR INVESTIGATIVE CORRESPONDENT: It's being called Hillary's University problem. It's actually Laureate International University's run and owned by a good friend of the Clintons. It's private, it's for-profit and the profits are huge. Laureate operates mostly in Latin America, has a million students worldwide and brings in revenues of more than $4 billion.

DOUG BECKER, LAUREATE INTERNATIONAL UNIVERSITY CEO: It all started with a powerful mission. The mission of making quality, higher education accessible.

GRIFFIN: It's CEO, Clinton pal Doug Becker made $2.4 million last

BECKER: The network of Laureate International Universities has grown to more than 70 educational institutions across 29 countries.

GRIFFIN: And Laureate is not without its own problems, it has faced investigations in Brazil over whether students were getting their money's worth and in Chile concerning its for profit status. U.S. students have complained. The school failed to deliver on its promised degree programs.

Three of the five schools and Laureate operates in the United States or under what the U.S. Department of Education calls heightened cash monitoring because of potential problems with its financial responsibility. Well the school told CNN it disagrees with the government's methodology. It would seem like the exact type of business Hillary Clinton might have a problem with.

HILLARY CLINTON, (D) PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: There are students who take out loans to pay for an expensive, degree from a for-profit institution only to find little support once they actually enroll or they graduate and discover that when it comes to getting the jobs they were promised, their degree is not worth what they thought.

GRIFFIN: But you won't find Hillary Clinton saying one word about Laureate University. While she was traveling the world as secretary of state, her husband was traveling the word and being paid a fortune as the honorary chancellor of Laureate International Universities.

BILL CLINTON, 42ND PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I traveled to 14 Laureate Universities in a dozen countries.

GRIFFIN: Bill Clinton was paid $17.6 million by Laureate from 2010 until 2015 when his contract was up and he stepped down.

CLINTON: And I hope ...

GRIFFIN: Several weeks after Secretary Clinton announced her bid to run for president.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Such an honor to have him as our honorary chancellor, but what most people don't know is that started because of CGI.

GRIFFIN: Laureate with Doug Becker at the helm, not only paid Bill Clinton $17.6 million, it has donated between 1 and $5 million to the Clinton Foundation and has partnered with the Clinton Global Initiative since 2008.

And all along the way, Becker has contributed to Democratic campaign funds including Hillary Clinton's.


COOPER: Drew, that's a huge amount of money for an honorary chancellor. I mean what exactly did Bill Clinton do for Laureate International Universities?

GRIFFIN: According to the company, Anderson, he was an adviser and he also visited 19 different campuses of the school, but it certainly could not have been full time. Keep in mind, he was still giving speeches, still running the Clinton Foundation and believe it or not, he was getting paid a pretty big amount of money from another Clinton Foundation donor schools, it's GEMS Education, an international school system that operates very expensive K to 12 schools out of its headquarters in Dubai. That company, Anderson, was paying Bill Clinton $5.6 million to help advice its charitable giving program all at the same time he was working for Laureate.

COOPER: And in your report, you said that Hillary Clinton really hasn't mentioned to this on the campaign trail. Has the campaign reacted to your report?

GRIFFIN: Vehemently. The campaign sent a statement to us outlining Hillary Clinton's position on for-profit schools. Here's what it says Anderson, "Hillary Clinton has made it clear that all for-profit institutions should be held to the same standards". It goes on to say that, "she will crack down on lawbreaking for profits by expanding support for federal regulators to enforce laws against deceptive fraud, marketing and other illegal practices." Anderson?

COOPER: Drew, thanks much, we're looking into it. I appreciate it.

Well, up next, Fox apologizes and agrees to pay out a huge sum of money to a former news anchor settle sexual harassment claims against outside Roger Ailes, we'll have all of the details, coming up.


[20:38:39] COOPER: Welcome back. A news of a stunning decision today. 21st Century Fox is apologizing, will pay $20 million in the settlement for former Fox new anchor Gretchen Carlson. In July, of course she sued accused then Fox News chairman Roger Ailes of sexual harassment and retaliation. Two weeks later Ailes resigned and now more than 20 women have reportedly spoken with attorneys claiming inappropriate behavior by Ailes. He's denied all the allegations, but Fox issued this statement today, "We sincerely regret and apologize for the fact that Gretchen was not treated with the respect and dignity that she and all of our colleagues deserve."

Lots to discuss, joining us right now is Brian Stelter, CNN senior media correspondent and host of "Reliable Sources". Also CNN media analyst Bill Carter.

So Brian, the $20 million settlement, what's the latest on that, I mean it seems pretty unprecedented.

BRIAN STELTER, CNN SENIOR MEDIA CORRESPONDENT: Oh, it's almost unheard of in corporate America. There have been settlements like this before, but they are few and far between. There were also other settlements, and total handful of other settlements with other women who came forward alleging harassment by Ailes. Those were if were smaller sums of money, but taken together it shows that the Murdochs who own Fox News are trying rather -- eagerly I would say even desperately to move on beyond this scandal, but that's a lot easier said than done.

COOPER: And Bill, Fox is part of the settlement making a public apology and part of this was this public apology, I guess ...


COOPER: ... is that unprecedented, as well? I can't remember something like that.

[20:40:01] CARTER: I don't remember anything like that and it seems to me that that underscores the fact that they are conceding the point and what Ailes has done with his denials now is kind of out the window. They're publicly acknowledging that she was treated with disrespect.

COOPER: And Brian, I mean there was some reporting early on that Roger Ailes himself would be responsible for paying part of the settlement.


COOPER: Is that actually true? Because I've seen conflicting reports.

STELTER: That's right, this morning we were told that by sources close to the Murdochs, who then rekindled (ph), why? Because Ailes' lawyer Susan Estrich, who also works as a Fox News contributor, still came out and said no, he is not paying a penny of this settlement. I mean that's a sign that Ailes is continuing to fight behind the scenes. Even last week he retained another lawyer, a liable lawyer who the same one who took Hulk Hogan, who took Gawker to court on behalf of Hulk Hogan. Challenging primitive in press in that instance.

So we'll see if Ailes tries to sue any news outlets in the future. For now his not saying anything publicly but behind the scenes still fighting and of course separately still advising Donald Trump.

COOPER: It is interesting Bill, and, you know, raises questions, the fact that the victim of harassment in this case is being given severance of 20 million while the perpetrator or allege perpetrator of harassment is walking away with $40 million.

CARTER: $40 million. So essentially, Fox is paying $60 million to extricate themselves from the ugliness of this man's behavior, he would think ...

COOPER: But double to the guy who, you know, was the cause of the behavior according to this.

CARTER: Yes, he gets twice as much, but you wonder about the shareholders. Will they ever step up and say what's going on here? And I think it will be fascinating to see if Ailes tries to sue because you would think he would want to run away from anything like discovery about what was going on in his business.


CARTER: You would think he didn't want anything to do with that.

STELTER: I think we're just saying so. This is a significant victory not just for Carlson but for other women who believed they've been harassed in workplaces all across this country. Oftentimes these stories are he said, she said, and it's usually it's the he, the boss, who gets away with it. In this case, Carlson the national symbol now.

You know, she just hired a high profile PR person ...


STLETER: ... she's not doing TV appearances, writing a book, perhaps. There will be other opportunities for her to continue to speak about this. It's a significant win for her and for other women in her shoes.

CARTER: And she strategies him because she was the one who actually taped his conversations and that really, I think, was a determining factor on this.

COOPER: Right, I still though -- and I do think the message that he walks away with double what she gets ...

STELTER: Yeah. COOPER: ... is pretty interesting one. Also we should point out Bill, that Greta Van Susteren, it was announced have left the network after 14 years. What do we know about that decision?

CARTER: Well, it looks like she was pressing for a higher salary and they just cut her off at the knees saying that is going to happen. What's interesting to me is that, well first of all Greta is sort of having it both ways because she said she was uncomfortable there for several years, but in the -- immediate aftermath of she kind of defended Roger Ailes, I don't know what her discomfort was about.

But I also think it's interesting to point out that here you have, you know, an act of disloyalty, maybe, as way the way Fox looked that at, and that gets one level of reaction from the Murdoch empire, but the loyalty of Roger Ailes who provided billions of dollars gets a $40 million settlement.

COOPER: Right, Brian, I mean Greta, from what I remember and, you know, I just know her a little bit. We've, you know, we've exchanged e-mails and I have respect for her. I don't know if she defended Roger Ailes, she had actually said, you know, I've never harassed anybody and I've never, you know, I've never been aware of the harassment of anybody and I know she came under criticism for, but I just want to make sure ...

STELTER: Right, that's right.

COOPER: ... I don't want make it sound like what she was saying, you know, that what Gretchen Carlson did -- had said is not absolutely not she was ...

STELTER: Yeah, what she had told me at that time, was that she have never personally experienced harassment nor was she aware of the harassment that Carlson experienced. That said, she was a loyal Fox News solider, as so many people at that channel have been.

I think what we're seeing today, is not another sign of aftershocks from this Ailes scandals. She's able to leave, because she had a clause in her contract that said if Ailes left she could leave.

COOPER: Right.

STELTER: I have to wonder will anyone else of her caliber and any other Fox News stars walk out next.

COOPER: Yes, it's called a key man clause in the lingo. And look, I wish Greta she's having an incredible career and I think she'll do great things moving on.

So, Brian Stelter, thank you, Bill Carter, as well.

Just ahead, Donald Trump's Labor Day visit to an African-American church in Detroit. He has been criticized for not reaching out the African-American community enough according to some which is nine weeks until Election Day. What more can he do, should he do? We'll talk about that ahead. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[20:48:17] COOPER: Donald Trump made his first visit to an African- American church over the Labor Day weekend at Great Faith Ministries International in Detroit. He swayed to music and tried to sway support among the congregation. Here's some of what he said.


DONALD TRUMP, (R) PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: This has been an amazing day for me. The African-American faith community has been one of God's greatest gifts to America and to its people.

I am here today to listen to your message, and I hope my presence here will also help your voice to reach new audiences in our country and many of these audiences desperately need your spirit and your thought. I can tell you that.


COOPER: He was warmly received inside the church. There were some protests outside coming just weeks after he tried to appeal the African-American voters saying, "You live in poverty, your schools are no good, you have no jobs. What the hell do you have to lose?" That's quote.

I want to discuss with the panel, CNN political commentator, former Obama administration official Van Jones, Republican political commentator and Trump supporter Paris Dennard is back. And Chris Prudhomme, president of Vote America Now, a non-partisan group dedicated to getting out millennial and minority voters.

Chris, let's start with you. I mean you've been talked to a lot African-American millennials around the country, don't like Trump, don't like Clinton for that matter, as well. What are they saying, I mean what did they been telling you?

CHRIS PRUDHOMME, PRESIDENT VOTE AMERICA NOW: Young people have been telling us they're really frustrated with the overall process. They feel that the candidates don't meet their need specifically. There's a lot of issues, the main three issues we hear about are criminal justice, jobs and education. They have a major problem with candidates not addressing directly exact millennial issues. Prime example, they want to have a country that is free and I think fully accessible to when it comes to criminal justice issues, it's just not a fair start.

[20:50:06] You know, a person could be in prison for 5 years, 10 years, 3, it doesn't matter. At the end of the day you have a faster (ph), we're setting them up for failure. You can't get a job, number one, check. At the same time, you can't get an apartment. So these are the type of issues they complain about on a consistent basis.

COOPER: And yet, I mean a candidate Chris like Bernie Sanders who did have a lot of support among certainly white millenials, did you see similar levels of support among African-American millenials? PRUDHOMME: No. I think Senator Sanders has certainly had a lot more support. We were very blessed and fortunate to do a lot of town halls with Senator Sanders and had over 140 million in presence. Young people went crazy. It was amazing. Out of the nine presidential candidates I'd a chance to talk to, he was just the most I guess you could say engaging to young people. It was amazing. They -- his interaction was different. There's an enthusiasm gap and frankly, Secretary Clinton and Mr. Trump does not have the same enthusiasm to reach young people.

COOPER: Paris, I know that, you know, obviously Donald Trump had the event at the church this weekend. he's also had meetings over the course of his campaign with African-American church leaders, you know, more from sort of prosperity gospels but, you know, he had that I think big meeting in New York at the Trump Tower, many, many months ago, early on the campaign, other business leaders.

But do you want to see more direct outreach in communities of color around the country from Donald Trump, or do you think he doesn't need to do that? Or it's a waste of time for him?

PARIS DENNARD, TRUMP SUPPORTER: No, I certainly don't think it's a waste of time, Anderson. I think any time you have the Republican nominee trying to earn the right or earn the vote of African-Americans across this country, it is a good thing. Because for far too long, the black community has just put all of our eggs in the Democrat basket in terms of being a large voting bloc. And I think when Democrats get in power or when it turns out Republicans get in power we have to have friends on both sides of the aisle, we have that people that could we talk to, that we can engage with on both sides of the aisle.

So it's a positive step in the right direction for Mr. Trump to continue his engagement with African-American community and continue to do that not just now but leading into November because when he's president of the United States, he's going to be president of all people. And I knew that very well when I worked in the White House with George W. Bush. He was president of all people.

COOPER: But, you know, Van, I remember early on in the primary, you were saying look, to Democrats watch out for Donald Trump, he can actually make inroads in the African-American community that you may not be aware. You were saying this to Democrats. You also then more recently have said he missed an opportunity, the time has passed. Do you still believe that? Or do you think in the next 60 some odd days he can get a greater percentage of African-American support?

VAN JONES, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Look, I thought he did have a real shot early on just because there are cracks. The Democratic Party, you know, has left some African-Americans feeling frustrated, taken for granted. I think the milk curdled though over the course of this campaign. His tone-deaf attempt to outreach to black folks by insulting black people, you are poor, your schools don't work, you know, what the hell have you got to lose, all that kind of stuff I don't think played well. When he's unscripted talking to black people, he offends. When he's reading a script that was written for him, he comes across very well. I think a lot of black voters can see through that. I think Democrats have to be careful going forward. Just because Donald Trump has been somewhat foolish doesn't mean are smart. There are some real cracks in this coalition. Donald Trump is though not the right messenger and I think he blew a real opportunity in this campaign.

PRUDHOMME: And also Anderson, let me say this, too. One of the biggest complaints we've been hearing about, if Mr. Trump in all respect was going to start an African-American outreach, he frankly should have done it, neither to have done it , either that he missed the NABJ conference, he missed the urban league, NAACP, these are major African-American events. You can't miss those opportunities. And people are coming this saying hey, what can we do, why did it happen. And it's hard to say that you are reaching out to the African-American community when you miss three large major African- American events this year.

COOPER: Paris, what about that, I mean you went to AIPAC to talk to, you know, folks who are particularly interested in Israel, issues regarding Israel. Why not go to some of those events?

DENNARD: You know, Anderson, I think it's a misnomer to say Mr. Trump has only began or just start his, only begun his African-American engagement. The National Diversity Coalition for Trump started over a year ago. Mr. Trump as you reported was meeting with African-American church leaders, business leaders across the country, especially in Trump Tower, for several years. And when he was on the debate stage he was the first Republican to say that the confederate flag should come down in South Carolina.

So Mr. Trump, has had a continued engagement effort. And I think his -- the past weeks have been such a positive, net positive for him, you can see in two separate polls and Mr. Trump is actually had 8 percent. Economist Hugo Paul (ph) and the (inaudible) poll, showing him that 8 percent with African-Americans.

[20:55:08] And the "New York Times" article that Chris was quote again, showed there are a like, they have said there are lot of cracks with the Democrats and with especially millenial African-Americans. They don't trust Secretary Clinton. When you see the ...

JONES: Because they don't ...

DENNARD: When you see the CNN poll showing that Mr. Trump is leading across the board as it relates to enthusiasm, when it related honesty and trustworthiness.


COOPER: Well Van -- Van, go ahead I want you to be able to respond, and then we going to take out.

JONES: Yeah. Yeah, look I mean -- listen, all this stuff sounds good when you say it Paris, but the reality is that Hillary Clinton has done an extraordinary job. African-American support for her equals and sometimes surpasses Obama himself which we thought was impossible. So, he is definitely -- he may be improving, but he's improving from such a low place that you are getting excited about him almost catching up to Romney, maybe passing Romney in one poll. The reality is that Hillary Clinton has done an extraordinary job.

DENNARD: And has a lot of work to do.

COOPER: We're going to leave it there. Two months left to go. I want to thank everybody.

Much more ahead, on next hour of "360," Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump hitting the trail hard today as the final stretch of the race gets underway. We take a look at their potential paths to victory. What do they need to do to hit the magic number of 270 electoral votes? We looked at the national polling that came out today in our last hour. Now we're going to look at how do they get to magic number of 270 and who has the best shot. When we come back.


[21:00:10] COOPER: Thanks for joining us for a second hour of "360." Coming up, the latest from both campaigns, as Hillary Clinton takes questions from reporters on her plane. Donald ...