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U.S., Russia Exchange Harsh Words on Syria; Remembering Legend Arnold Palmer; Clinton & Trump To Meet In First Debate Monday; U.S. South Korea Send Message to North Korea; Activists: Syrian Airstrikes Kill 85 in Aleppo; Charlotte Protests Continue after Video Released. Aired 1-2a ET

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[01:00:11] NATALIE ALLEN, CNN ANCHOR: It was a blame game at the U.N. as world powers sparred over who's to blame for the war in Syria. It is nearly debate day in the U.S. as the presidential candidates meet for the first time on that stage right there. And the golfing world remembers a legend, Arnold Palmer, has died at the age of 87. And we'll be talking with people who knew him and covered him this hour. Thank you for joining us. I'm Natalie Allen. We're live in Atlanta, and this is CNN NEWSROOM.

Russia says ending Syria's civil war is almost impossible as the country is being bombed indiscriminately. Diplomats argued over how to stop the escalating violence there during a United Nations Security Council meeting on Sunday. As Syria's U.N. Ambassador began speaking, the U.S., British and French ambassadors walked out. Russia blames the collapse of a Syrian ceasefire last week on a U.S.-led coalition airstrike. The U.S. Ambassador directly accused Russia of barbarism in its actions and support of the Assad regime.

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SAMANTHA POWER, U.S. AMBASSADOR TO U.N.: Instead of pursuing peace, Russia and Assad make war. Instead of helping get life-saving aid to civilians, Russia and Assad are bombing the humanitarian convoys, hospitals and first responders, who are trying desperately to keep people alive. Russia will argue today, no doubt, that these attacks are meant to fight terrorism, and that the people killed in this offensive are terrorists or terrorist sympathizers. This is absurd. Look at the facts.

VITALY CHURKIN, RUSSIAN AMBASSADOR TO THE U.N. (through translator): A serious attack to the agreement was the attack by the so-called coalition. And it was a U.K. plane, and they said that they were supposed to be attacking ISIS, so there was a real danger that the terrorists would take the city and take the civilians in it. The Syrian Armed Forces with the support of the Russian Armed Forces, would have been able to stop such a tragic event.

BASHAR JAAFARI, SYRIAN AMBASSADOR TO THE U.N. (through translator): My country condemns the use of internationally prohibited weaponry, and we stress that all military operations conducted by the Syrian Army and its allies on Syrian territories uphold the U.N. Charter and International Laws as well as the resolutions of this council on combating terrorism. We denounce the fabricated accusations leveled by certain members of this council.

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ALLEN: And that was the back and forth there at the U.N. on Sunday. Meantime, the Syrian government, backed by Russia, continued its aerial bombardment against rebels in Eastern Aleppo. Activists say at least 85 people were killed in intense airstrikes Sunday, and more than 300 others wounded. Senior International Correspondent Fred Pleitgen has the latest from the Syrian capital, Damascus, that's where he is.

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[01:03:31] FRED PLEITGEN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: By all accounts that we're getting, the Syrian government offensive in Aleppo does not seem to be showing any signs of letting up. As far as the military situation is concerned, what you have is what the Syrian government calls a comprehensive offensive. They say it involves both ground forces, as well as air forces, from what we're hearing both of Russian, as well as the Syrian Air Force, operating out there. As far as the territorial gains are concerned, it seems to be coming in two areas. The opposition is saying that regime forces are trying to attack the eastern districts of Aleppo from the south and from the north. And especially in the north, there's one major battlefield called Handarat Camp that was overrun by government forces on Saturday, before they were beaten back on Saturday evening, when the rebels launched a counteroffensive and gaining back a lot of that territory. And then again, Handarat Camp apparently, was shelled pretty heavily on Sunday as well. So unclear how much territory actually exchanged hands in the end, but certainly, from what we're hearing here, there's a lot of carnage on the ground.

Now, the Syrian government in the form of its Ambassador to the United Nations, has vowed to take back every inch of Syria's territory, also saying they want to, obviously, take back all of Aleppo as well. Some heavy criticism coming not just from the United States, but also from the U.N. envoy to the Syrian Conflict stuck in Di Mastura saying what's going on in Aleppo right now, he believes, could amount to war crimes. The Syrian government and the Russians, of course, taking a very different stance on all of this. They blame the opposition for what they say were at least 300 breaches of the truce. Once again, the U.S. and its allies, and, of course, also the opposition forces it backs on the ground, a very different take on this. Fred Pleitgen, CNN, Damascus.

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ALLEN: Tributes are pouring in for golf legend Arnold Palmer. He died at age 87. The American won more than 90 golf tournaments in his prolific career including seven majors. Rory McIlroy, fresh off a win at the FedEx cup here in Atlanta, spoke with CNN about Arnold Palmer's legacy.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) RORY MCILROY, 2016 FEDEX CUP CHAIRPERSON: I think Arnold meant a lot to a lot of people. Yoda golfers, first and foremost, I mean, if it wasn't for Arnold Palmer, I don't think the PGA TOUR what it would be today for - you know, playing for the obscene amounts of money that we play for. And you know, he really brought the game to the masses in the '60s and '70s. And even though he wasn't the most successful golfer of all-time, he's definitely the one that will leave the lasting legacy. I think of all sports over the past century, I'm not sure if anyone is going to leave a legacy quite like Arnold Palmer. So, you know, he meant a lot to a lot of people. He was a very generous man. He did a lot for the community, a lot for charity -- you know, the Children's Hospital up in Orlando. And I was lucky enough to have, you know, to get some - you know, to spend some time with him. And he was just a wonderful man with great stories. And as I said, great charisma and had a lot of time for anyone that - anyone that he met in his life.

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ALLEN: On top of all of his wins, Palmer was widely credited with making Country Club Sport popular with the public, making it cool. Mike Galanos looks back at Arnold Palmer's long career.

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[01:01:51] MIKE GALANOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Winner of 7 majors and 96 tournaments overall, Arnold Palmer was one of golf's greatest and most charismatic players. His rise to stardom in the late 1950s and '60s coincided with the advent of televised golf, and alongside his life- long friend and rival, Jack Nicklaus. Palmer brought golf into the forefront of the nation's sporting consciousness. His unique rapport with fans spawned Arnie's Army, a loyal legion of followers that spanned decades and generations.

ARNOLD PALMER, AMERICAN PROFESSIONAL GOLFER: When people say, what -- treat other people as you'd like to be treated, they don't really think that. They're -- that's a nice thing to say, but, you know, I had it beaten into me that that was the thing to do, and I have practiced that.

JOHN GARRITY, SENIOR WRITER SPORTS ILLUSTRATED: Arnold Palmer is pretty much the fellow who took golf to the middle classes and the blue-collar worker of America. It was considered a game for the elite for many, many decades. The high class resorts on the east coast and the private country clubs. And here came Arnold Palmer, the son of a greenkeeper from the mountains of Pennsylvania. And the way he walked, the way he hitched his pants, the way he smoked and flicked away the cigarette, it was compelling to women, it was compelling to men, and suddenly golf was a game for the masses, not just for the elite.

GALANOS: Born in Latrobe, Pennsylvania, Palmer grew up next door to the local country club where his father worked as a Golf Professional and Course Superintendent. At the age of 25, Palmer joined the PGA Tour for the 1955 season and won the first of his four Masters titles three years later. In the early '60s, Palmer made the golf course his personal playground. He won 29 tournaments between 1960 and 1963. Racking up four majors in that span, including a miraculous comeback from seven strokes down in the final round of the 1960 U.S. Open. That performance paved the way for him being named "Sports Illustrated's Sportsman of the Year." Palmer was later named "The Athlete of the Decade" by the associated press.

GARRITY: Arnie just saw the target and was ready to fire. And he was also ready to take the consequences. Sometimes firing at the flag brought him glory. And there are a lot of times when firing at the flag put him in serious, serious trouble, and he suffered the punishment, but it was so exciting to watch that the public was with him either way.

GALANOS: Away from the course, Palmer became, in the words of his agent, IMG founder Mark McCormack, the first athlete to become a walking, breathing multimillion-dollar corporation. He nurtured business interest from club manufacturing to course design and construction. He hocked everything from cigarettes to rental cars.

MICHAEL BAMBERGER, SENIOR WRITER, SPORTS ILLUSTRATED: I think the ultimate genius of Arnold Palmer is his unbelievable understanding of human beings. And that's why Arnold Palmer had a 25, 30-year career after he was done playing good golf, which is unbelievable.

GALANOS: Palmer won his last PGA Tour event in 1973, but continued to occasionally appear in golf's majors. His final appearance as a player at the 2004 Masters was a record, 50th consecutive. The death of Arnold Palmer leaves golf without one of its most magnetic personalities and all-time great players. The King is gone, but the influence of his reign will remain with the game forever.

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ALLEN: Arnold Palmer, 1929-2016. And for more on the man, I'm joined now from Orlando, Florida, by Adam Schupak. He's a Senior Writer with Golf Week Magazine. Adam, what a legend and what a loss in Arnold Palmer? How in the world do you write about him now?

ADAM SCHUPAK, SENIOR WRITER OF GOLF WEEK MAGAZINE: It is a huge loss because he meant so much to golfers and really sports fans everywhere. He did so much -- if you were really - if you were born in the 20th century, it was as if he invented the game in America. He was that big to the sport.

ALLEN: Right. And so, how do you sum this up? And I want to say as you talk and as we were watching that story a moment ago, it just seeing the black and white TV of golf, I mean, he'd been around since the '60s, since that when he won his first tournament in the late '50s.

SCHUPAK: He came at a time right when television was becoming popular. I think that was a big part of what made him so famous. Plus, he had that charisma, go-for-broke style that people were attracted to. And even his failures were epic, and people were endeared to his - to the way that even in losing, he gave it his all. He was always trying to win. And you know, he was just a guy who enjoyed the spotlight and being a famous person. He was - he would sign every autograph, he would look every fan in the - in the eye, he made everybody feel special. He had a - he came from humble beginnings, and he had wonderful humility, even though he was regarded as "The King". And he made everybody feel like they were just as special as he was.

ALLEN: Right. And I was talking with his biographer who wrote his book a while ago, and he said, you know, Arnold commented once to him about golfers today walk up, you know, through the fair way right in the middle, in the zone, focused, whereas when Arnold Palmer started playing, he walked up along the galley and shook hands and talked with people in between swinging a golf club. Quite different today.

SCHUPAK: You know, they're so many players, though, that he did influence, that learned from him. He would always be there at the tournament reminding players they needed to take their hat off when they came into the clubhouse. He was still around and very active in the game. He had his own tournament that still goes on, The Arnold Palmer Invitational. And his presence in golf continued because he loved the game like nobody else. He is somebody who wanted to play and felt he could get better right up to the very end. And we'd always see him at the club that he owns here in Orlando, Bay Hill, with a couple of bags on the back of his clubs trying to find, you know, a few extra yards. And he loved the game like nobody else.

ALLEN: Right. And his presence there in Orlando, I lived there and worked there in the '80s and he had the children and women's hospital, you know, then and just an amazing, amazing person. And if somebody didn't know Arnold Palmer, some young person who's watching, what would you want to say to them about this man? Especially in this era, you know, kind of, where we have sports divas, and he was about the furthest thing from a sports diva.

SCHUPAK: That's true. There are people out there that know him only for his drink, the combination of iced tea and lemonade. And for those people, you know, they will continue to enjoy that drink for many years to come, but Arnold Palmer, you know, they'll talk about Tiger Woods or Jack Nicklaus as the greatest ever. But Arnold Palmer was the most beloved and he was probably the most important.

ALLEN: Yeah, I think it was three-quarters lemonade, one-quarter unsweetened iced tea, is that right? Something like that? Well, we --

SCHUPAK: Something like that (INAUDIBLE) recipe.

ALLEN: Yeah, we will have one and we lift our glass, our Arnold Palmer to the man. Thanks so much for joining us, Adam Schupak from Orlando. Thanks, Adam.

SCHUPAK: Thank you.

ALLEN: Well, fellow golfers, as you can imagine are paying tribute to him. And the U.S. President Obama tweeted as well, "Here's to The King who was as extraordinary on the links as he was generous to others. Thanks for the memories, Arnold." Tiger Woods tweeted, "Thanks Arnold for your friendship, counsel and a lot of laughs. Your philanthropy and humility are part of your legend." Greg Norman said simply, "A legend was lost today. Rest in peace." Former U.S. President George W. Bush also praised him, "For all who love the game of golf and love to see it played, there has never been a sight quite like Arnold Palmer walking down the fairway toward the 18th green." Well said, President Bush.

Well, we are hours away from the showdown between a seasoned politician and a shoot-from-the-hip real estate mogul. We'll have a preview of the U.S. Presidential Debate when we return here on CNN NEWSROOM.

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[01:19:20] ALLEN: Could the stakes be any higher? There's a lot at stake for Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump who will go head-to-head in their first Presidential Debate Monday night. The two just about even in the polls according to CNN. And this is a big chance for them to speak directly to tens of millions of voters before Election Day in November. Clinton is a long-time politician and veteran debater. Trump, a businessman with no political experience, but he had some memorable and sometimes explosive debate performances during the Republican Primary. Jonathan Mann has a preview of what the candidates hope to accomplish and the missteps they very likely want to avoid. He took "POLITICAL MANN" to New York.

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[01:19:59] JONATHAN MANN, CNN POLITICAL MANN ANCHOR: It is probably going to be the most important 90 minutes of the campaign. About 100 million people are expected to be watching. That's a bigger audience than either candidate has had so far. And because interest tends to wane just a little bit after the first debate, this may be the biggest audience for those two candidates until Election Day. It is a lot that we're looking forward to. But that's still ahead. Let's talk about what we saw on Sunday, because it's very, very telling. Sunday was a good day for Donald Trump. He received Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu at Trump Tower. That is the head of government of Israel going to see Donald Trump, not the other way around. And what that meeting offered Trump was an opportunity to show himself meeting with a world leader as if one leader to another leader, he's ready to do business.

Donald Trump demonstrated that he can, without mishap, take on the role of the Oval Office, of the commander-in-chief. Hillary Clinton ended up meeting with Netanyahu as well, but once again, all that did was show that she's capable of doing what Trump is capable of doing. Vice versa Trump can do what Clinton can do. He is a reasonable alternative. That's a very crucial message coming into the debate, which is now really not that far away, because he wants to use the opportunity to show that he is a real alternative. He wants to reassure a lot of nervous Americans that he's not just a buffoon billionaire who's going to bulldoze his way around the planet. And so, this is a really important opportunity for him to show calm, to show competence, to show that he doesn't need a teleprompter to tone him down. In fact, one of his advisers, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, says he's not even preparing all that much, because he doesn't need to.

RUDY GIULIANI, FORMER NEW YORK CITY MAYOR: It depends on how much confidence you have in yourself. And that's what we want. We want a president who has confidence in himself or herself. If you've got to over-prepare, you have to over-prepare. I mean - but if you have confidence in yourself, I mean, you go with what got you there.

MANN: Hillary Clinton's job is to make sure Americans are not confident in Trump. She has got to hope that he does something once again to show that he's, as she would say, a "loose cannon." She has to do that to Trump and she has to do something for herself. Her biggest liability is that she doesn't seem sincere, she doesn't seem honest. She has got to use 90 minutes, which is not a long time, to project authenticity, transparency, likability. One night is not a lot of time to do it in. So, the impact to this debate will have -- we're not sure. But here's one thing to keep in mind, we're talking about 90 crucial minutes that may boil down to just one moment, one gaffe, one encounter that is going to define the experience for 100 million Americans and a lot of people watching from around the world. It's going to be something to see. Back to you.

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ALLEN: Larry Sabato is director of Center for Politics, University of Virginia, and author of "The Kennedy Half-Century." Larry, thank you for being with us.

[01:03:07] LARRY SABATO, AUTHOR OF "THE KENNEDY HALF-CENTURY: Thank you.

ALLEN: We have come down to this. Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, the two of them on the stage together. So, you have someone who's described as kind of a dry policy wonk up against perhaps the king of one-liners and Twitter. How do you see that shaping up with just that dynamic right there?

SABATO: Well, that's a good way to put it. That you have one candidate, Hillary Clinton, who probably has over-prepared, as she always does for these things. And you have another candidate, Donald Trump, who is almost certainly underprepared, though I think he's received more counsel than he has let on. Look, this could be the peak of the entire campaign. I fear that it will turn into a valley, depending on how nasty the candidates are. But there's no question that in 90 minutes, 100 million Americans, most of whom have not been paying close attention, are going to get a real civics lesson about this particular presidential campaign.

ALLEN: And both of these candidates have high numbers when it comes to not being likable. So, when you break it down to the big issues, foreign policy, guns, jobs, immigration, and then, it comes down to also, can they improve upon the fact that their negatives are so high? And seem more likable, despite all the big issues they have to talk about.

SABATO: That's exactly right. Look, Hillary Clinton knows an enormous amount about policy. She has the facts at her fingertips. I don't think even the most ardent Trump supporter would say that he could come anywhere close to matching her. But where she often falls short, is in demonstrating a personality that people can relate to. She needs to show some flashes of wit. She needs to show some emotional sides to the beliefs that she has about politics and government. Trump, on the other hand, has to show that he can be a credible president simply by knowing the basics. And to this point, we haven't seen him do even that.

ALLEN: Right. Scratched the surface and then you kind of scratch your head over what are his ways to get to those jobs he talks about and other issues that America faces around the world. So, it's a big question of perhaps what kind of Donald Trump shows up, because when he's off of teleprompter and doing his thing, his antics are - can be crazy on stage. He threw a water bottle on stage during a debate, and then there's the Donald Trump who reads teleprompter. Well, there's not teleprompter at this debate.

SABATO: Yes. And also, he has never before been in a one-on-one debate. There's a completely different dynamic compared to having 10 or 16 other people on stage. It's just very, very different. So, one only wonders whether or not he can adjust to that. And again, he has to give specifics. We'll see how much the moderator presses him. That's going to be critical. Will Lester Holt, the NBC evening news anchor, will he press both candidates for specifics and challenge them when they are wrong, or at least giving incorrect facts. We don't know. That's one of the imponderables of this debate.

ALLEN: Well, the best political team on TV will be working around the clock as the candidates step into the ring at Hofstra University. You can catch it all Monday here on CNN.

Attention getting military exercises are underway in the Sea of Japan. Ahead, the message the United States and South Korea are sending North. We'll have a live report.

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[01:30:19] ALLEN: Welcome back. You're watching CNN NEWSROOM, live from Atlanta. I'm Natalie Allen. Here are our top stories.

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ALLEN: Diplomats exchanged harsh words at the United Nations Sunday over the escalating violence in Aleppo, Syria. The U.S. accusing Russia and Syria of bombing aid convoys, hospitals and emergency workers. And Russia pointing its finger at the U.S. with the collapse of a ceasefire last week.

Earlier, my colleague, Michael Holmes, spoke with Jill Dougherty, a global fellow at the Woodrow Wilson Center and a former CNN Moscow bureau chief.

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JILL DOUGHERTY, GLOBAL FELLOW, WOODROW WILSON CENTER: This situation where both sides worked out a ceasefire which almost immediately fell apart, has made the relationship between Russia and the United States almost worse. I mean, the only two people who have been talking and trying to do anything at this point of Lavrov and Kerry. Now you hear the recriminations. Words like war crimes, barbarism. That is very, very serious. At this point, the only viable thing proposal would appear to be what Secretary Kerry was talking about which is all planes stop immediately so you can get some humanitarian aid into people. But that is apparently not going to happen. So it's shocking when you look back just a few weeks ago when they were very hard at work trying to get the ceasefire together. Now the situation between the United States n Russia actually you can argue is worse.

MICHAEL HOLMES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: I suppose one of the arguments is that there is no shared interest, if you like, in the outcome among the major players. And the other factor in that is Russia has no sense of urgency because Bashar al Assad making gains on the ground has no reason to compromise.

DOUGHERTY: Yes, exactly. Let's go back to the agreement. What they were supposed to do, the Russians were supposed to get the Syrian president to ground all his planes so that they could bring in aid. The Americans were supposed to put pressure on the opposition to separate from the terrorists who are al Nusra. Both things have not happened. Neither has happened. So where do you go? What is the incentive? The only incentive can possibly be to stop the killing. And that is not happening. So you go back to what are the motives here? What is the true motive of Russia? What is the motive of the United States? And I think you get some clarity from that. If you analyze what they are -- what they are willing to do to get to their objectives. And, right now, what is happening is many, many people are dying. It's a very hopeless situation, it would appear, at this point.

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ALLEN: Jill Dougherty speaking with Michael Holmes.

Russia says U.S. support for Syrian rebels is hurting the humanitarian efforts.

The U.S. and South Korea are sending another message to the north in response to Pyongyang's nuclear and ballistic tests. The two countries' navies put on a show of force in the Sea of Japan or East Sea Monday.

Paula Hancocks joins us from Seoul with details.

Paula, what's the significance of this show of force.

PAULA HANCOCKS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: This is the third show of force we've seen since that nuclear test. We have just last week two B1B bombers that flew very close to the DMZ, the demilitarized zone, the closest according to one U.S. military source that these bombers have ever gone to North Korea. We saw something similar earlier this month. And then today you have the two navies showing of force at sea. Just off the east coast of the peninsula. We understand there are destroyers involved. There are helicopters, submarines involved. Interestingly, the two sides will be training to try and track down submarines. This is, obviously, something that North Korea has been working on this year, in particular, launching submarine based -- submarine ballistic missiles which they did last august. That was the last time they did that. That was claimed as a great success by North Korea. Wasn't negated by other countries. That seems to be where they're making progress at this point. And this is where the U.S. and South Korea are focusing their training, trying to send a message to North Korea that they're standing side by side.

[01:35:45] ALLEN: Right. And they have -- they perform drills regularly, and it infuriates North Korea and now this. Any word from North Korea, or signs?

HANCOCKS: Not since the navy show of force. Certainly we've heard from them since last week. And we have heard that they have threatened to turn Seoul into a sea of ashes. Not the first time they've threatened something like that. We've heard strong rhetoric from North Korea. Not just because of these shows of force, which at one point Pyongyang said the U.S. was trying to push the peninsula to the brink of war blaming the U.S. for what was happening. But also South Korea, the defense minister last week said to parliament that effectively an assassination plan is in place for the leader, Kim Jong-Un if they feel threatened by nuclear weapons. This has been reacted to by Pyongyang. The rhetoric between the two sides is particularly high -- Natalie?

ALLEN: Paula Hancocks live in Seoul. Thank you.

Speaking of drills, China says it was conducting a routine drill but Japan scrambled a fighter jet in response. Chinese state media said more than 40 aircraft flew over the Western Pacific Sunday near Okinawa. It is the biggest aerial exercise since an international tribunal struck down Beijing's claim to most of the disputed South China Sea back in July.

Protests continued in Charlotte on Sunday. This time, in front of the city's NFL stadium. They demonstrated one day after police released new video of the deadly shooting of Keith Scott. Authorities say Scott, an African-American, was killed when he refused to drop his gun. But the new video isn't clear enough to tell what Scott was holding if anything, when he was shot. That's leaving the public frustrated as the biggest question in the investigation remains unanswered.

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ALLEN: Avery Friedman is a law professor and civil rights attorney. He joins us via Skype.

Avery, thank you for joining us.

AVERY FRIEDMAN, LAW PROFESSOR & CIVIL RIGHTS ATTORNEY: Nice to be with you, Natalie.

ALLEN: Certainly, you've been watching what's unfolded in yet another American city. The people of Charlotte, North Carolina, wanting some of this video to come out, all of it. The police did release some dash cam video and body cam video. What have we learned, and what have we not learned about the story of Keith Scott's shooting? First of all, what are the questions surrounding why they have probable cause to arrest him or try to get him to get out of his truck.

AVERY: That's one of the main questions that everybody was counting on the video showing us. And between Mr. Scott's now-widow who produced her own video, and now we have dash cam and body cam, we don't even know the answer to that question. The assumption is that one officer claimed he saw that Mr. Scott was rolling a joint, had marijuana. I don't know that that would be sufficient reason to pull out a baton according to one of the other officers and start pounding on the window. It's even more complicated because you hear his wife saying, don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do what? I think if you put it all together, there clearly is a probable cause basis, but there is so much that remains to be learned. And the big problem here is you have enormous community distrust, Natalie, because it's taken so long to release the video.

ALLEN: And then, of course, the issue of an open carry law which has been on the books for decades in North Carolina. How does that complicate the situation because police say he had a gun and produced a gun and an ankle holster?

AVERY: Let me tell you something. Many states are open carry, a right to carry a gun. But the moment a police officer issues verbal commands, drop the gun, it doesn't matter if you're open carry. You drop the gun. In my judgment, I don't think being an open carry state like North Carolina has very much to do with anything in this case.

[01:40:12] ALLEN: All right. And like you said and like we know, there are some holes in this story of how it evolved from the videos we have seen. We did see Mr. Scott exiting his white SUV backwards, and that shot right before he was shot four times, his hands are by his side and we don't know what is in his hands.

FREIDMAN: Well, what's going to happen here is there are independent witnesses. Remember, the Scott family story here is that he was waiting in the car to pick up a child when the bus arrived. He wasn't going to be the only other adult. And let me tell you, law enforcement has already had six days in putting the forensics together. So I would expect that in the near future we're going to get a better understanding of what's going on. Until that happens, we're going to have community distrust. We're going to have a discomfort. We need to get to the truth and need to get to it as soon as possible.

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ALLEN: Avery Friedman there talking with us. We'll continue to follow developments this week as the investigation goes on.

The royals' whirlwind tour of Canada is in full swing. The warm welcome they received in Vancouver on day two. They have their kids along with them. We'll have more on that in a moment.

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ALLEN: Welcome back. At least eight people are dead, 25 wounded after three bombings in Baghdad Sunday. Photos show workers cleaning up after the deadliest attack. It was a suicide bombing that killed at least six people. The bomber attacked Shiites who were preparing for the holy month of Muharum (ph). ISIS claimed responsibility.

It's been two years since nearly four dozen students disappeared in Mexico. But their fate remains a mystery. No one knows what happened to them. And there are conflicting theories about it.

Here's a timeline of the events.

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[01:46:43] ALLEN: So sad for all of those families.

That's so very sad for all of those families.

Joining us now is Karen MaGinnis, with her eye on a storm heading for Taiwan.

This is kind of a string of storms that Taiwan has seen, Karen.

KAREN MAGINNIS, AMS METEOROLOGIST: Yes. Hey, Natalie. And we are seeing very powerful systems make their way across Taiwan. This looking very impressive on our satellite imagery. And, in fact, right now it is the equivalent of a category 3 hurricane. But as we take a look at what has happened over Taiwan, since the beginning of July, there have been four substantive systems that have moved across this region. Not just this tropical storms but as very powerful typhoons that have moved across the region. Nepartak was around the beginning of July. Then two more. Miranti and now this will make the fourth one. So just how powerful is the system in let's take a look at this as we show you what happens with our latest typhoon by the numbers. Right now supporting winds at 165 kilometers per hour. Wind gusts higher at just over 200 kilometers per hour. Moving fairly rapidly toward the West. Northwest at about 17. When it slows down, that's when you have to be aware because if it lingers longer across Taiwan, then you're looking at much more substantial rainfall. As it is, it's already going to be very impressive. This is what we anticipate. This continues to move towards the West-northwest at about 17 kilometers per hour. It will then pick up some speed. We anticipate it will move right smack over central Taiwan, just about midday, or perhaps during the early afternoon hours coming up on Tuesday. Let's head back towards the board. We'll show you what we are expecting. Very broad wind field associated with this. As it makes its way across central sections of Taiwan, we're looking at the potential for flooding rains across this region. Some areas could see as much as 500 millimeters. But there you go. Just about midway for Taiwan. The Taiwan Strait. Somewhere between Shanghai and Hong Kong, those are the areas that could be affected as we head into Wednesday -- Natalie?

ALLEN: All right, Thanks, Karen.

It's not fair. Taiwan has been taking it so much. Thanks, Karen.

The duke and duchess of Cambridge have wrapped up day two of their Canadian tour. Prince William and his wife, Katherine, receiving a welcome from crowds in Vancouver. They spent the day sightseeing and visiting charities. The royal couple arrived in Canada Saturday with the kids, Prince George and Princess Charlotte. The first international trip for little Charlotte.

History shows presidential candidates can become their own worst enemies. Up next, a look at the most memorable debate moments in TV history.

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[01:53:27] ALLEN: We are just hours away from the most anticipated 90 minutes of the U.S. presidential election, and many wondering what kind of theatrics Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton may have to offer in Monday's debate.

Let's look back on some of the most memorable TV moments from past debates, from zingers to gaffes. Here's Jeanne Moos.

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JEANNE MOOS, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Don't we tend to watch debates hoping to see a train wreck? Instead, we're left with memorable moments.

Sarah Palin winking.

SARAH PALIN, (R), FORMER ALASKA GOVERNOR & FORMER VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: How long have I been at this, five weeks?

MOOS: Ronald Reagan demanding the sound system not be turned off.

RONALD REAGAN, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I am paying for this microphone.

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MOOS: A line he picked up --

SPENCER TRACY, ACTOR: Don't you shut me off. I'm paying for this broadcast.

MOOS: -- from Spencer Tracy in the movie "State of the Union."

TV magnifies everything. The sweat glistening on Nixon's chin that he had to wipe off to Al Gore's exaggerated --

GEORGE W. BUSH, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: -- That's what a governor gets to do.

MOOS: -- exasperated sigh.

BUSH: There's differences.

MOOS: -- resuscitated by "SNL."

UNIDENTIFIED COMEDIAN: Rome came to life and gladiator --

MOOS (on camera): What was I going to say? Oh, yeah, there were some unforgettable, forgetful moments.

RICK PERRY, (R), FORMER TEXAS GOVERNOR & FORMER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Commerce, education and the -- what's the third one there. Let's see.

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MOOS (voice-over): Rick Perry's oops moment.

PERRY: Oops.

MOOS: And Arizona Governor Jan Brewer's brain freeze.

JAN BREWER, (R), ARIZONA GOVERNOR: -- that we could possibly do.

MOOS: And this was just her opening statement.

(on camera): You know what a televised debate isn't the time for?

(voice-over): Checking the time, as president George Bush did.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How has the national debt --

[01:55:11] MOOS: Debates are a time for memorable zingers.

SEN. LLOYD BENTSEN, FORMER VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy.

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MOOS: And one-liners. For instance, from a relatively unknown candidate for vice president.

ADM. JAMES STOCKDALE, (I), FORMER VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Who am I? Why am I here?

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MOOS: And whatever you do, candidates, don't invade your opponent's personal space. As Hillary's Senate rival once did.

(CROSSTALK) HILLARY CLINTON, (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Well, we'll shake, we'll shake on --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, no, I want your signature.

MOOS: 0r when Al Gore crept up on George Bush.

BUSH: But can he get things done? And I believe I can.

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MOOS: There's nothing like debatable behavior to liven up a debate.

BUSH: There's differences.

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: You're likable enough, Hillary.

MOOS: Jeanne Moos, CNN --

TINA FEY, COMEDIAN: Are we not doing the talent portion?

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MOOS: -- New York.

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ALLEN: The debate coming up in just a few hours here. Many people that watch the Super Bowl are expected to watch this one.

Thank you for watching CNN NEWSROOM. I'm Natalie Allen.

Rosemary Church is up next with two more hours for you.

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