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[20:00:10] JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: Good evening. John Berman, in for Anderson.
Tonight, the breaking news, the Trump campaign hunkered down right now inside Trump Tower, grappling with how to deal with what could be the biggest threat to their candidate's presidential chances so far. Donald Trump caught on tape in his own words, vulgar words, boasting about being able to grab women by their genitals and get away with it because he's a star. That is what he said and some might argue, that is the definition of sexual assault.
This is what an open microphone picked up on a bus during a conversation between he and Billy Bush, who was then with Access Hollywood. They were pulling up to a soap opera set. This was 2005. Trump was 59 years old. They were talking first about a married women Trump had tried to seduce but he didn't use that word. And then they talk about the soap star they were about to meet.
"The Washington Post" obtained the tape. We're going to play it in full with the exception of one F-bomb. But we need to warn you. Much of what is left is extremely graphic, extremely obscene. The very fact that the statement of a presidential candidate needs such a warning say something in itself.
With that, here's the tape.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She used to be great. She's still very beautiful.
DONALD TRUMP, BUSINESSMAN: You know I moved on her actually. You know she was down on Palm Beach. I moved on her and I failed. I'll admit it. I did try and (EXPLETIVE DELETED) her. She was married.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's huge news.
TRUMP: No, no, Nancy. No this was -- and I moved on her very heavily, in fact, I took her out furniture shopping. She wanted to get some furniture, I said, 'I'll show you where they have some nice furniture.'
I took her out furniture. I moved on her like a bitch, but I couldn't get there, and she was married. Then all of a sudden I see her, she's now got the big phony tits and everything. She's totally changed her look.
BILLY BUSH: Sheesh, your girl's hot as shit. In the purple.
CROWD: Whoa! Whoa! Yes! Whoa!
BUSH: Yes! The Donald has scored. Whoa, my man!
TRUMP: Look at you. You are a pussy.
TRUMP: Maybe it's a different one.
BUSH: It better not be the publicist. No, it's her. It's-
TRUMP: Yeah, that's her. With the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know I'm automatically attracted to beautiful -- I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait.
And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.
BUSH: Whatever you want.
TRUMP: Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything.
BUSH: Yeah, those legs, all I can see is the legs.
TRUMP: Oh, it looks good.
BUSH: Come on, shorty.
TRUMP: Oh, nice legs, huh?
BUSH: Oof, get out of the way, honey. Oh, that's good legs. Go ahead.
TRUMP: It's always good if you don't fall out of the bus. Like Ford. Gerald Ford, remember?
BUSH: Down below. Pull the handle.
TRUMP: Hello. How are you? Hi.
ARIANNE ZUCKER: Hi, Mr. Trump. How are you? Pleasure to meet you.
TRUMP: Nice seeing you. Terrific, terrific. You know Billy Bush?
BUSH: Hello, nice to see you. How you doing, Arianne?
ZUCKER: I'm doing very well, thank you.
Are you ready to be a soap star?
TRUMP: We're ready. Let's go. Make me a soap star.
BUSH: How about a little hug for the Donald? He just got off the bus.
ZUCKER: Would you like a little hug, darling?
TRUMP: Absolutely. Melania said this was OK.
BUSH: Have a little hug for the Bushy, I just got off the bus.
Here we go. Excellent. Well, you've got a nice co-star here.
ZUCKER: Yes, absolutely.
TRUMP: Good. After you. Come on, Billy. Don't be shy.
BUSH: As soon as a beautiful woman shows up, he just -- he takes off. This always happens.
BUSH: Get over here, Billy.
ZUCKER: I'm sorry. Come here.
BUSH: Let the little guy in here, come on.
ZUCKER: Yes. Let the little guy in. How you feel now? Better?
I should actually be in the middle.
BUSH: It's hard to walk next to a guy like this. Yes, you get in the middle. There we go.
TRUMP: Good. That's better.
ZUCKER: This is much better. This is --
TRUMP: That's better.
BUSH: Now, if you had to choose honestly between one of us. Me or the Donald?
TRUMP: I don't know. That's tough competition.
BUSH: Seriously. You had to take one of us as a date.
ZUCKER: I have to take the Fifth on that one.
ZUCKER: Yes. I'll take both.
BUSH: Which way?
ZUCKER: Make a right. Here we go. BUSH: Here he goes. I'm going to leave you here. Give me my
TRUMP: OK. Oh, you're finished?
BUSH: You're my man. Yes.
TRUMP: Oh, good.
BUSH: I'm going to go do our show.
ZUCKER: Oh, you want to reset? OK.
BERMAN: So, nearly immediately after this tape is released by "The Post", the Trump campaign put out a statement which used the word "apologize," though you can judge for yourself whether it is an apology or not.
It reads, "This was locker room banter, a private conversation that took place many years ago. Bill Clinton has said far worse to me on the golf course -- not even close. I apologize if anyone was offended."
For her part, Hillary Clinton put out a tweet. She said, "This is horrific. We cannot allow this man to become president."
Let's get more now on the reaction to this all and the impact it could have on Sunday's debate which Anderson is moderating and beyond the debate.
Late this evening, we should say, Trump running mate Mike Pence was asked about it on the trail in Ohio.
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REPORTER: Should Donald Trump apologize? Governor Pence, should Donald Trump apologize?
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BERMAN: As you heard, no answer from Governor Mike Pence there.
However, RNC Chair Reince Priebus just weighed in. He said, "No woman should ever be described in these terms or talked about in this manner. Ever."
[20:05:07] Joining us, CNN's MJ Lee, chief political correspondent Dana Bash, who just received some new information on how the Trump campaign is reacting, literally at this moment, CNN political director David Chalian, and CNN's chief political analyst, Gloria Borger.
Dana, first off, what's going on inside Trump Tower right now?
DANA BASH, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: As you can imagine, DEFCON 5 would probably be an understatement, trying to figure out how to deal with this. We only at this point have the statement which is a couple of sentences, which was referring to Bill Clinton and things that he allegedly said to Donald Trump on the golf course which he said are worse and so forth.
We haven't heard from Donald Trump himself beyond that. And they are huddling right now inside Trump Tower, trying to figure out whether he comes out and makes a statement tonight, if he comes out and makes a statement tonight. And if so, what form?
So, that all is being debated and deliberates as we speak I'm told. If he doesn't, obviously the question is whether or not he's going to let this just hang out there until he's on the debate stage with tens of millions of people watching, going up against a -- never mind the opponent for president, but somebody who wants to be the first woman president, who has already used this issue of the way he speaks to and about women against him rather successfully.
But everybody I'm talking to, John, who like Donald Trump, want him to win say that this incident no question puts that whole Alicia Machado thing, it makes it look like kid stuff frankly, politically speaking. Not in terms of what he said but just in terms of the level of crisis that it causes and will cause for Donald Trump.
BERMAN: To be clear. Again, one of the things that Dana is hearing the possibility Donald Trump could come out tonight with some kind of statement. They want to take some of the air out of this balloon and quickly.
MJ Lee, you're talking to Trump campaign insiders, people working around the country. You've got a stunning response for some of them.
MJ LEE, CNN POLITICAL REPORTER: That's right. I mean, where do we even begin? The campaign is really in full crisis mode, as Dana Bash just mentioned. People inside the Trump world are really just trying to figure out how they are supposed to react to something that is so indefensible.
And I want to give a sampling of some of what I've been hearing and my colleagues have been hearing tonight in reaction to the story. I spoke to a close advisor to Donald Trump shortly after the story and this video went out and the advisor said this adviser said that this revelation is flat out appalling, that they can't even begin to guess whether Trump could make a comeback from this and that this should have never happened.
Now, what I thought was so damning about what this adviser told me is that they said that Trump's "if you're offended" apology was simply not enough, that he should have owned up to the facts that the comments were so offensive and should not have even used the word "if" in that apology. And the reactions are not just contained within Trump Tower, of course, one Trump field staffer rather telling our Phil Mattingly that when the news came out, there were collective gasps and that staffer telling Phil there is no way to spin this. There just isn't. So, what we're seeing, John, right now, is really offensive, deep
exasperation within the campaign. This is a role, remember, that many advisors have had to play over and over again, trying to sort of explain away controversial things that Donald Trump has said. I think this time, the advisors are wondering, is it in a whole separate category of its own? Can he actually get past this?
BERMAN: These are people who work for Donald Trump who are saying this right now, which makes it all the more remarkable.
David Chalian, again, let me just read you a statement from Reince Priebus, the RNC chair, who said, "No woman should ever be described in these terms or talked about in this manner. Ever."
Jeb Bush, who ran against Donald Trump and by the way, he's the cousin of Billy Bush, who was on that tape as well, said, "As grandfather of two precious girls, I find that no apology can excuse a way Donald Trump's reprehensible comment's degrading women."
Illinois Republican Senator Mark Kirk, he tweeted, "DJT, Donald Jonathan Trump, he's a malignant clown, a malignant clown unprepared and unfit to be president of the United States." Now, Kirk hasn't endorsed Donald Trump but still, you are talking about a sitting Republican senator and now, tomorrow, House Speaker Paul Ryan is supposed to appear at an event with Donald Trump, David. Can that event go on in 24 hours?
DAVID CHALIAN, CNN POLITICAL DIRECTOR: Well, John, they are trying to figure that out right now. There is no doubt about that. But if that Reince Priebus statement is any indication, that is the chairman of the Republican Party condemning what his presidential candidate has done here on this audio tape from years ago. And what he's said.
What he hasn't answered here is, so, is this a presidential candidate you could still continue to support? Reince Priebus is going to need to answer that. Paul Ryan is going to answer that.
As you noted, Mark Kirk, Jeb Bush, they are already not on board with Donald Trump.
[20:10:02] You know, the alternate version of that Jeb Bush tweet is, "I told you so."
But with the people in the party who have linked arms with Donald Trump, they now have a major consideration here, because it's not just what you were talking about with MJ and Dana. The Trump campaign needs to solve this for themselves, before he takes that debate stage and figure out a path forward. But the party needs to solve this now about how to deal with this candidate at the top of the ticket and what kind of impact it has on Senate races and House races below, that is mission one now for Paul Ryan and Reince Priebus.
BORGER: Let me just follow what David is saying, because I've been in touch with a senior Clinton campaign advisor and to David's point, this advisor said to me, we're going make Republicans say if they still think that he should be president. Not just allow them to condemn what he said, but actually that he should be president.
So, it's clear that up and down the line, the Reince Priebus statement is condemning what Donald Trump said. But they want a part two of that. And the second part is, do you still think he should be president?
BERMAN: Gloria, can I ask? Because we're, whatever, 16 months into this campaign now and many candidates have said a lot of crazy stuff. Donald Trump in particular has said a lot of crazy stuff.
Why is this different?
BORGER: Well, I think it is different for a couple of reasons. One is we're actually hearing these words and this conversation which I don't know about you, but it was just kind of stunning to me. And so, you are watching it and you are hearing it.
We're also at a different point in this campaign and that is, you know, Donald Trump was Teflon during the primaries. But he's got to grow. He's got to add people. He's got to add suburban women, married women, women, just women, just independents, into his voting bloc. And he's not going to do that with this kind of language.
So, I think just in terms of the political conversation and the -- it is just kind of stunning to watch this unfold.
BASH: John, I just want to add sort of one way to answer that question, "why is this different now?", with the statement that the highest ranking Republican member of Congress --
BASH: -- Cathy McMorris-Rogers just put out which is the most telling that we've seen so far because she does support Donald Trump, and that it's not just about the words. It is what he suggested he would do in those words, and she specifically said, it's never appropriate to condone unwanted sexual advances or violence against women.
If that is the context in which these comments that Donald Trump said, caught on tape saying, that that is being interpreted, it's a thousand miles further away than him calling somebody a pig or too fat or anything he said about Rosie O'Donnell. This is in a whole different league.
BERMAN: You know what? He can touch people how he wants, he can grab people how he wants because he's a star. That's what he said.
Guys, I want to take a break, but before we go to break, I just want to read a statement we just got from Mitt Romney, a tweet from Romney, who was the last Republican nominee. He said, "Hitting on married women, condoning assault, such vile things degradations, demean our wives and daughters and corrupt America's face to the world." That's the last Republican nominee talking about the current Republican nominee.
Just ahead, the reporter who broke this story, and more reaction, especially from Republican women, as our breaking news coverage continues.
Also, we're going to have the latest on Hurricane Matthew. That's ahead on 360.
[20:17:33] BERMAN: Two big breaking stories tonight. We're following Hurricane Matthew now spinning off Northeast Florida, and still very much a threat to millions on shore.
And then Donald Trump in his own words caught on tape bragging to Billy Bush in 2005, just eight months he married his current wife Melania, that as a star, he could grab women by their genitals and get away with it because he's a star. He also bragged about trying to have sex with a married woman. The tape captured in a bus rolling into a studio lot has surfaced just 48 hours ahead of the second presidential debate in St. Louis.
A Trump field worker in a text described reaction when the story broke, gasps, collective gasps. We're trying to get our heads around it right now and there's no way to spin this. There just isn't.
"The Washington Post's" David Fahrenthold obtained the tape. He broke the story. We spoke to him a little while ago.
BERMAN: So, David, I know you are not going to disclose your source on this but whoever gave this to you or alerted you to it, obviously knew they had something big on their hands. Can you give us any more details on this?
DAVID FAHRENTHOLD, THE WASHINGTON POST: I really can't. I can't say much of anything about how we got ahold of this.
BERMAN: But when you heard it the first time, what was your first reaction?
FAHRENTHOLD: Oh, just that it was shocking. I mean, this is the voice of Donald Trump that you have heard now for a couple of years solid, a voice you have gotten used to hearing in a political context and here he was discussing this stuff in a pretty lewd and pretty outrageous manner. I was really surprised.
BERMAN: He calls this locker room banter. But the thing is, you know, he's 56 years old. And it's not just crass language. It's predatory. He says, you know, when you are a star you can do it. You can do anything. You can grab them by the -- and, then he goes on.
FAHRENTHOLD: That's right. I mean, it's not just, hey, look at that woman, isn't she hot? It sort of goes beyond that, to talk about sort of his -- what he does. He's not describing not what he'd like to do, but what he has done apparently to women and describing sort of how because he's a star, he can kiss them if he wants to. He can grope them.
That just makes this more interesting and more shocking. It's not just that he's saying, like look at that women. She's a ten. He's saying, this is what I have done to women in the past and will do again.
BERMAN: And you can judge the magnitude of this by the fact that the Trump campaign responded very quickly with a statement that included the word "apologize."
So, let's break this down into parts, right, because he's apologizing if anyone was offended, which at "The Washington Post", you know, that's a non-apology, apology.
[20:20:04] FAHRENTHOLD: Yes, that's right. He apologized to people who were offended, which obviously leaves room for the idea that many people will listen to this and see this and not be offended by it. But it is sort of a half step or a full step back from just apologizing, for having done something you wish you hadn't done.
BERMAN: That's right. Apologizing if people are offended is different that saying, I'm sorry I ever said it. I shouldn't have said it at all. Now, that said, he uses the word "apology" which I'm not sure he has used at all this campaign season.
So, that is a big dead in and of itself from the Trump campaign.
FAHRENTHOLD: It is unusual. But you're right though that he's apologizing sort of in a way, you know, I apologize if you take offense. Not that I looked at myself and taken account of my own moral conduct and decided it was wrong of me to have done this.
BERMAN: And in that statement, which they call an apology, he, of course, takes on Bill Clinton. He said, Bill Clinton has said worse things to me on the golf course.
I guess it is not surprising he goes after Bill Clinton on this because that is what he tends do whenever the subject of woman comes up. But again, he's not running against Bill Clinton, is he?
FAHRENTHOLD: He's now. And also, Bill Clinton wasn't on the bus. I mean, one thing if Bill Clinton had been on the bus with him that day, feeding him lines and egging him on. But, you know, this was Donald Trump and Billy Bush. Donald Trump leading the conversation.
So, whatever he may have heard from Bill Clinton, unless he's claiming he didn't know these words until Bill Clinton taught him, I think it's a little bit irrelevant to what Trump himself said that day in this video.
BERMAN: There was not a Clinton on the bus. There was a Bush on the bus. Billy Bush, he was part of the Bush family, who now works for NBC News, by the way, who is heard saying some stuff on that video also, we're going to get a response from him also at some point. What kind of legs do you think this has going forward? You know, it's
Friday night before the second debate. What questions remain unanswered here?
FAHRENTHOLD: Well, I do think this will continue to be something people talk about. I mean, it's -- the difference here is this is audio and video. You are hearing Trump in his own words saying these things. It is different than people sort of saying secondhand that they heard this from Trump years ago.
You know, I've been wrong about everything I predicted about this election, so it may have no impact at all. But I think it may come up in the debate and maybe something Trump is asked about later on. And maybe something Mike Pence, who's such a strong independent Christian will be asked about it in the next few days. Trump's Christian evangelical supporters will be asked about.
It's a kind of thing that goes to Trump's moral character and I think that's something that could last at least the next week, maybe longer.
BERMAN: Senate candidates on the trail. People who appear with Trump, who have endorsed Trump. People like Paul Ryan, they certainly could and will be asked about this going forward.
David Fahrenthold, great to have you with us -- thanks so much.
FAHRENTHOLD: Thank you.
BERMAN: Late tonight, Billy Bush did in fact put out a statement. It reads, "Obviously, I'm embarrassed and ashamed. It's no excuse but this happened eleven years ago. I was younger, less mature and acted foolishly in playing along. I'm very sorry."
It's fair to point out that what Donald Trump says on the tape, grabbing women by their genitals, it sounds like the kind of thing a lot of college students right now be hearing about or warned about during orientation sessions on sexual assault on the campuses.
Lot to discuss here.
Joining me now, CNN political commentators Ana Navarro and Amanda Carpenter. Ana is a Republican strategist who does not support Donald Trump. Amanda is the former communications director Senator Ted Cruz. Also with us, CNN chief political analyst Gloria Borger and CNN political commentators and the Trump supporters, Kayleigh McEnany and Scottie Nell Hughes.
Kayleigh, let me start with you. RNC Chair Reince Priebus said, "No woman should ever be described in these terms or talked about in this manner. Ever." Your response?
KAYLEIGH MCENANY, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: He is exactly right. It was hard to hear those words today's. It's inexcusable. I think the statement was not enough. I think Donald Trump needs to
humble himself and come out to the American people and say I'm not the person I was 11 years ago. I'm a different person. I'm not that person.
And I think that he needs to apologize to the American people, because if we know anything about the American people they are forgiving people. They forgave Bill Clinton for his transgressions in the Oval Office. And I do think they forgive when you humble yourself.
And I think that is what he needs to do. Bottom line. Inexcusable.
BERMAN: Apologize not just if people were offended, but apologize that he said it, period, correct?
MCENANY: A hundred percent. Yes. Not just to people who are offended. Apologize to the American people directly, all of them.
BERMAN: Amanda Carpenter, when you heard this, you had a somewhat visceral reaction.
AMANDA CARPENTER, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Yes. I mean, this is bigger than Trump. This is about the Republican Party.
And if there's any elected Republican official who doesn't know what to say, they should call a rape survivor tonight and ask them what they heard when they heard Donald Trump say these words. Because this isn't as Reince Priebus said, you know, talking about something that Trump describes women this way. Trump is saying this is something that he did.
This isn't harassment. It's not locker room talk. He is talking about sexual assault. There is no other way to frame this.
And listen, I have a four and a half-year-old daughter.
[20:25:00] Last night, we had the news on and she pointed at the TV and says, mommy, is that man a Trump? It's kind of funny, she doesn't know what's going on right now, but in a couple of years, she's going to watch shows like this, and know what's going on.
And this election is about how -- right now, this election is going to be about how the Republican Party treats women. And right now, seeing the statements come out from other Republicans trying to dismiss this or go past it? I don't know what that answer is. I want to be in this party. But if they will not respect women and recognize that Donald Trump is boasting about sexual assault, we women cannot stand by this.
SCOTTIE NELL HUGHES, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, these were comments that were made eleven years ago. And let me agree with Kayleigh and let me agree with Amanda Carpenter. These were deplorable comments, they're horrible comments. They don't -- there's no place whether you are a Republican or Democrat, there is no place for them in America today.
And I think we need to hold people that are in pop culture and Hollywood who are in our rap reading we need to hold them accountable just as much we're going to hold for Donald Trump 11 years ago.
But this reconfirms he was not running for office back then. He didn't want to become a politician. He did not want to join government. He was a part of a different world than he is now.
And he always said I would only run for president if there were no one else to solve the problems we have today. And officially, he feels like he's the one who can do it and 14 million people in the primary agree with him and those numbers have grown.
I think it is wonderful the timing of this video coming out today, the same day that WikiLeaks comes out and puts out the Wall Street speeches that Hillary Clinton insults all the middle class, insults and says the only reason why she talks bad about Wall Street is because for political reasons. She says that, you know, she and her husband she can't really relate to middle class people right now due to the fact she's not one of them anymore because of all the money her and her husband made.
So, the timing of this video --
BERMAN: Hang on.
HUGHES: -- I think, this video also needs to be interesting to talk about.
BERMAN: You say it's eleven years ago. Yes, it's eleven years ago. But it is not like Donald Trump was in junior high. The guy was 59 years old when he said it. So he was a fully formed individual.
And, Gloria Borger, again, let's talk about Amanda's point right there. The pressure this puts on the Republican Party now to deal with this. I -- Paul Ryan is supposed to be on a stage with him tomorrow in Wisconsin. What's going to happen?
BORGER: Right. This goes beyond crude talk, to predatory behavior. And I think it is a tipping point right now for the Republican Party. And I think, you know, my e-mail has kind of been blowing up from Republicans who are saying to me. I mean, Bush's former campaign manager said to me, Sally Bradshaw said to me, "He's a pig, I'm voting for Hillary Clinton." This is a Republican.
I think that Democrats are going to force Republicans to say whether they still support Donald Trump for president. I think you are going to start hearing calls from Republicans privately and then maybe publicly to say, what is our plan B here? I think this has gone beyond a matter -- again, of crude talk and crude behavior, and insults to women to something that's quite frankly predatory.
And I think the party has to grapple with this. You have the chairman saying this is inexcusable and then there is a second thing, OK. Then what? Now what, Reince Priebus? And I think people are asking themselves that question tonight and I
think these are very sad conversations. I feel for the young people who are working in the Donald Trump campaign who spoke to MJ Lee about how they feel about pouring their heart and soul into a campaign, and now this tape comes out.
BERMAN: So, Ana Navarro. We're going to take a quick break. But when we come back I'm going to ask you this question -- is there anything Donald Trump can say tonight to make this go away? Is there anything that Paul Ryan or other Republicans that are supporting Donald Trump can say over the next 24 hours that will satisfy you and make this go away at least for the next 32 days until Election Day? That's coming to you, Ana, after the break.
We're also keeping a close watch on Hurricane Matthew now blamed for four deaths in Florida. The latest on where it's headed. We have a new update from the National Hurricane Center. That's coming up on 360.
[20:33:10] JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: All right, back with a bombshell night in American politics. A candidate for president caught on microphone on a stomach turning conversation and in a classic non- apology. Apology Donald Trump calls it locker room banter, but in fact he was a 59 year old man when this happened.
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DONALD TRUMP, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I got to use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know I'm automatically attracted to beautiful. I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. I don't even want. And when your star, they let you do it. You could do anything.
BILLY BUSH, RADIO HOST: Whatever you want.
TRUMP: Grab them by the pussy. Anything.
BUSH: Yeah those legs, all I can see is the legs.
TRUMP: Oh, it looks good.
BUSH: Come on shorty.
TRUMP: Oh, nice legs, huh?
(END AUDIO CLIP)
BERMAN: So it's just a small portion of the tape. Back now with the panel. Ana Navarro, I promise you I would ask you this. Kayleigh McEnany, said that what Donald Trump needs to do -- well Kayleigh is a Donald Trump supporter. That what Donald Trump needs to do is humble himself before the American people and apologize for the words he said. Admit that they were beyond the line. Would that satisfy you? ANA NAVARRO, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST: No. Look, I think what Donald
Trump needs do is quit. I think he needs to stop being the Republican nominee. He is dragging this entire process down the gutter. He is dragging the entire Republican Party down the gutter. You have to understand he cannot win. He is irredeemable. This is not something you are going to recover from. And the reason he can't recover from this is because this is consistent behavior from Donald Trump. This is not a one-time occurrence.
We have heard him throughout those campaign, call Rosie O'Donnell a fat big. We've hear him attack Miss Universe. We've heard him talk about Megyn Kelly's menstrual cycle. We've heard him judge women by giving then numbers for scores, for scoring their bodies. How many times does he get away with saying something misogynistic before we call him a misogynist? How many times that he that way with saying something sexist before we acknowledge, it is he who is a sexist.
[20:35:05] It is not enough for Republican leadership to disavow his comments to condemn his words. It is time to condemn the man. It is time to ask him to step down. It is time to tell America he does not represent Republican values. He is a pig. He is vile. This is consistent behavior by him.
The only difference is that now we have it on tape and now we have it on video. But this man is not fit to be president of the United States. He is not fit to be the Republican nominee. He is not fit to be called a man.
BERMAN: Kayleigh McEnany, to that point is this some aberration, as Scottie was saying, 11 years ago? Or is this part of who Donald Trump is? Because he has said things on the campaign trail this year about women that have raised a lot of eyebrows. He was tweeting about Miss Universe one week ago.
KAYLEIGH MCENANY, TRUMP SUPPORTER: Look, where I disagree, is I don't think any human being is irredeemable. I think the comments is inexcusable. As a Christian they don't lay right with me, they don't sit right with me. But also a Christian what I know is that when you apologize for something, you are forgiven. And you can wipe away anything you've done in the past because you can be forgiven by the blood of Jesus Christ. That's what I believe as the Christian.
I don't think anyone is irredeemable. I think he's a different person now than he was then and I think if he humbles himself and explains to the American people, instead -- look I've learned from men around me like Ben Carson and Mike Pence and women like Sarah Huckabee who are women and men of great honor, I've learned from that. I'm a different person, I'm a father, I'm a grandfather. He is redeemable in his campaign and every human being for the record is redeemable.
BERMAN: Amanda Carpenter, what about Mike Pence? I mean Mike Pence, you know, the Trump campaign kicked the pool out there with Mike Pence at one point he would not answer question, he didn't answer questions on a rope line. How does he respond to this going forward?
AMANDA CARPENTER, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: He really has to examine his heart. I mean, to be sure God does forgive but there are just some things that are just disqualifying for someone who wants to be president of the United States.
In that tape he's saying that he believes, and he did, he could do anything to women because he was a star. That means he felt he was entitled to assault women because he had power. He's running for the most powerful office in America. What does that mean he thinks he would be entitled to do? There is really no bounds. Once you say you can grab a woman like that, he can't stop himself from kissing someone? Assaulting someone? I really don't think there is any limit.
And so I hope Mike Pence examines his heart, his soul. And, you know, Christians may be able to forgive Donald Trump for his actions and his words. But that does not mean he gets a pass to become president of the United States.
BERMAN: Scottie, how do you respond to this? Because you have heard Kayleigh who was a Trump support, you know, say that this crossed the
line. You've heard folks here who are not Trump supporters say this makes them question the very party you are a member of.
You know, you're shrewd political observer, you have followed politics for a long time right now. You know, Trump is having a real problem with women voters. Never a real problem with independents. Does this hurt him irreparably?
SCOTTIE NELL HUGHES, TRUMP SUPPORTER: Oh let me say this, as a woman, I know there are plenty of women that are supporting Donald Trump for one reason only. Because he's not Hillary Clinton. And when you look at -- yes these words are horrible, they're very damaging, but her actions have been even worse and going forward the reason why we're supporting Mr. Trump, why I personally is supporting Mr. Trump, is for my family, I want to be able to protect my family and I want to be able to provide for my family. That has nothing do with these words from 11 years ago or any other things horrible that he has said about women in the past.
What I care about is he's economic policy going forward, how he's going secure our border, he's going to preserve my constitution, Second Amendment rights. Other than that let us all stay for the tabloids that's actually talk about the tippings that matter the most mother, most married women, most suburban, most single, most women in this world is please, protect my family, provide my family. That's something he's put a plan out and we know he will do. Hillary Clinton doesn't put the emphasis on that.
BERMAN: Gloria, Gloria ...
NAVARRO: I think he has a problem.
NAVARRO: Before -- look, in order to -- before we even get to discuss agenda. Before we even get to discuss policy, there is a minimum requirement of morality, of moral compass, of decency, of human empathy, of behaving like an adult. Of behaving not like a sexual predator. And if you are incapable of meeting that minimum requirement you can't even talk to me about policy because you're not fit to be on that ballot. And it is time not only Donald Trump think about what he's doing but Republicans who have endorsed him, this is the time to disavow this man.
Paul Ryan, our lonely eyes look to you. You are my friend. I know you. You are a decent human being. You are a good husband, a good father. You cannot stand by this man tomorrow. Reince Preibus, same goes for you. He will ruin the Republicans that are on the ballot with him. We cannot afford this. If we're going to have a party that survives we must disown Donald Trump tonight.
[20:40:08] BERMAN: All right guys, we're going take up that thought. We're also going to take up what's going on inside Trump Tower right now, because I have to believe there are big decisions being made as we speak about when he will address this, how he will address it. Seems to me he's got to get to this sometime before he takes that debate stage Sunday night. A debate by the way that Anderson will be moderating. It is just 48 hours away now from the second presidential debate in St. Louis.
Our coverage here all day long on Sunday. Anderson will be one of the moderators along with ABC News Martha Raddatz.
Just ahead, for us more on Trump fallout, plus the latest on Hurricane Matthew as it makes its way up the southeastern coast.
BERMAN: Four people have now died in Florida as a result of Hurricane Matthew, which is lingering right now off northeastern Florida. More than a million people are without power.
Joining me now from St. Augustine Florida, CNN's Michael Holmes. Michael a big concern where you are there, the storm surge there, all this flooding. What are you seeing?
[20:45:04] MICHAEL HOLMES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yeah John absolutely. I am standing in a storm surge. It's not very deep here. But, St. Augustine, the city itself, what's known as the oldest city in America, dating back 400 years when a Spanish admiral founded it. It's back that way. And this water goes all the way back into the city. And in fact the city is officially closed. The emergency services and an officer coming through now. They are the only ones who are going in and out of the city. It's officially closed. There is in fact a curfew from 8:00 p.m. to 6:00 a.m.
What happen was when the storm surge came in it was 8 feet -- meant to be eight feet of storm surge. The mayor said everyone get out. Population of about 13 and a half thousand. Well half of them said no, we're going to stay. Well they are stuck there now. The city is closed, roads and bridges closed to the public until emergency services say it's safe to reopen them.
So that is just one example of what's happening up and down the southeast coast when it comes to storm surge. You know, thousands of people being affected by this. And a lot of damage been done. A very historic city St. Augustine. Probably known to a of people. John?
BERMAN: Yeah, that is the concern up and down the coast right now. Michael Holmes in St. Augustine, thank so much.
CNN's Tom Sater is tracking Matthew, joins us now from the weather center. Tom, a new advisory from the National Weather Service just out. What's the latest?
TOM SATER, CNN METEOROLOGIST: Well it's a category 2 storm but that means absolutely nothing. It is built up strength for so many days John that category 3, 4 as hurricane is going to see all of that water that's built under the eye at 30 feet high, slam northward and we could see even a greater storm surge than in they see in St. Augustine and Jacksonville.
We're going to see heavier amounts of rain than we've seen already on the coastline. And if it makes landfall which right now it's still up in the air, I doubt it, we're going to see stronger winds, near the coastline. Tornado watch is expected from yesterday because of the angle of approach. We dodged a major bullet today with that eye stay 20-25 miles off shore.
Yesterday talking with Anderson we talked about every mile counts. The difference between catastrophic damage and then having moderate to sever damage which occurred. Now, don't get me wrong. It's pretty bad but again it could have been much worse. But now it is going to get worse. The large precipitation shield is all from the eye northward. The greatest effects in the colors of yellow on the northern periphery of the eye will slam with its full momentum in the areas of Georgia and the South Carolina and North Carolina.
We're going to see over a foot of rainfall. The surge is going to be I think greater as mentioned pushing everything in. A little concerned about Hilton Head. A big concentration of pine trees. They blow over easily in 45, 50 miles per hour gusts. Weak root systems. This model which has been spot on since it's landfall in the 80, continues to take a very close. This is a Saturday/Sunday event.
So far good news, it was low tide at Jacksonville at 7:30. It's going to be low tide tomorrow morning in Charleston, where it approaches at its closest event. Now, again now category 2 but the angle of approach, John, means everything. Let's hope it moves out in a way. Yesterday we were talking about the big curve it's going to take. I wouldn't worry about that so much. It is undergoing shear right now and we're hoping that it breaks down further.
So not much event coming back around, already in Savannah near Fort Pulaski, it's really, we're already seeing the surge 5.6 feet above average. So that's even getting higher than we seen in some areas down to the south.
BERMAN: All right, big areas of concern in Georgia, particularly South Carolina going into tomorrow -- tomorrow night. Tom Sater, thanks so much. SATER: Sure.
BERMAN: Just ahead, back to other breaking news. Donald Trump caught on tape talking crudely about women. He has degraded women before on their looks those who don't mean his idea of perfection, a highlight reel in a moment plus the latest on Hurricane Matthew, the deadly storm remains dangerous now heading for Georgia and South Carolina.
[20:52:46] BERMAN: We have yet to hear from Donald Trump. His campaign deep in damage control mode as we speak. The crisis, a tape surfacing of him doing what he has a history of doing. Here's Randi Kaye.
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RANDI KAYE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Donald Trump says he loves beautiful women. He also loves to talk about women and it often lands in hot water. Like during his long-running feud with Rosie O'Donnell.
TRUMP: She came to my wedding. She ate like a pig.
KAYE: After his dustup with Megyn Kelly during the Fox News debate, Trump said this about her on CNN.
TRUMP: She starts asking me all sorts of ridiculous questions. And, you know, you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes. Blood coming out of her, wherever.
KAYE: Critics charged he was referring to menstruation. Trump insisted it was a big misunderstanding.
TRUMP: I was going to say nose and/or ears, because that's a very common statement. Blood pouring out of somebody's nose. It's a statement showing anger.
KAYE: Kelly wasn't the first female journalist Trump spared with decades ago after "New York Times" columnist Gail Collins wrote about rumors of Trump's bankruptcy, he sent her a copy of the article she'd written and circled her photo, writing across it quote, "The face of a dog."
Much of what Trump has said about women was during his many appearances on Howard Stern's radio show. In 2005, he made this remark, talking about women in a beauty pageant.
TRUMP: First of all, she's unbelievably short. And I'm a little bit surprised. I think that the boob job is terrible. You know, they look like two life posts coming out of a body.
KAYE: After he bought a pageant, Stern asked Trump how he might change it.
TRUMP: They said, how are you going to change the pageant? And I said, I'm going to get the bathing suits to be smaller and the heels to be higher.
KAYE: A woman's breasts were always a hot topic for him.
TRUMP: I view a person who's flat chested is very hard to be a 10, OK.
HOWARD STERN, RADIO HOST: Right.
TRUMP: I mean it has to be extraordinary. You have to have the face of Viviene Leigh to be a 10.
TRUMP: If you're flat chested. OK, but she went from an 8 to a solid 4.
KAYE: And in another appearance on the show.
TRUMP: Some incredible, beautiful women, they'll walk up and they'll flip their top. Wow, and they'll flip their panties. I've been with women with extraordinarily bad breast jobs.
Isn't it unbelievable? Women -- one women, beautiful, had big, beautiful, real boobs, really beautiful.
TRUMP: And she wants them reduced.
[20:55:07] KAYE: Years later on "The Howard Stern Show", Trump boldly mock Kim Kardashian's physique.
TRUMP: Does she have a good body, no.
STERN: Of course.
TRUMP: Does she have a fat ass, absolutely.
STERN: Right. In another word ...
TRUMP: And if the word Kim, let's say, wow I don't want to go out with her.
KAYE: And just last week, Trump has s he' made about former Miss Universe Alicia Machado. He called her miss piggy and an eating machine on Howard Stern show, mocking her weight gain. He doubled down on those comments on Fox News.
TRUMP: She was the winner and, you know, she gained a massive amount of weight. And it was a real problem. We had a real problem.
KAYE: A candidate struggling to win sport of women come election day, in his own words.
Randi Kaye, CNN, New York.
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BERMAN: Much more on this in the next hour of "360", on this leak Donald Trump tape. Reaction from the Republican Party and we expect, at some point, from the Trump campaign itself. We'll also have the latest on Hurricane Matthew heading for Georgia and the Carolinas after causing so much damage in Florida. Stay with us.