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[20:00:06] ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: Well, good evening and get ready with shock waves still rumbling from a debate in Las Vegas.
We're moments away from what we could be another seismic event. Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton sharing a stage, sharing the spotlight this evening at the Waldorf Astoria Hotel in Manhattan. They'll each be speaking one after the other at the annual Alfred E. Smith Memorial Foundation dinner for Catholic charities in the New York area.
The guests are eating now. Then, at the top of the hour, the two candidates are expected to speak, gently poking fun at one another and especially at themselves. That is the idea anyway.
Donald Trump is now known for gentle, or self-deprecating. He's expected to speak first, then Secretary Clinton. They didn't shake hands last night. She took one verbal jab after another at him. He called her in his words, "such a nasty woman."
So, we wait for what could be fireworks. We look ahead to tonight and get back to the debate, including the headline making moment when Trump would pledge not to absolutely accept the elections' outcome.
Today, under fire from Democrats and Republicans for what he said, he made headlines again with this as CNN's Jason Carroll reports.
DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I would like to promise and pledge to all of my voters and supporters, and to all of the people of the United States that I will totally accept the results of this great and historic presidential election if I win.
JASON CARROLL, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): That pledge comes as Donald Trump has raised unfounded concerns about widespread voter fraud.
TRUMP: We want fairness in the election.
CARROLL: Campaigning today in Ohio, Trump said he would accept the result, if it was clear. TRUMP: Of course, I would accept a clear election result. But I
would also reserve my right to contest or file a legal challenge in the case of a questionable result.
CARROLL: The GOP nominee's comments come hours after he refused to say whether he would respect the verdict from voters on November 8th.
CHRIS WALLACE, DEBATE MODERATOR: Not saying you are necessarily going to be the lose or the winner, but that the loser concedes to the winner, and that the country comes together in part for the good of the country. Are you saying you're not prepared now to commit to that principle?
TRUMP: What I'm saying is that I will tell you at the time. I'll keep you in suspense.
CARROLL: Trump's debate performance seen as more disciplined than his previous two meetings with Clinton, but still at times relying on personal attack, interrupting Clinton during her response to a question about social security.
HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: My Social Security payroll contribution will go up, as will Donald's, assuming he can't figure out how to get out of it. But what we want to do is to replenish the Social Security Trust Fund --
TRUMP: Such a nasty woman.
CARROLL: Comments that could hurt Trump's efforts to chip away at Clinton's advantage among women in the polls. As Trump continues to face the fallout from accusations of sexual misconduct, Trump denying the allegations again Wednesday night and suggesting without proof that Clinton and her campaign might be behind them.
TRUMP: Those stories are all totally false, I have to say that. And I didn't even apologize to my wife, who's sitting right here, because I didn't do anything.
I think they want either fame or her campaign did it. And I think it's her campaign.
COOPER: And Jason joins us now.
In regards to Trump not necessarily accepting the results of the election, that is not flying with the rest of the GOP, right, Jason?
CARROLL: Not at all. He's under fire by many members of the GOP. I mean, just take look at North Carolina. You know he'll be there campaigning tomorrow in Fletcher, just outside of Asheville, North Carolina. The executive director of the state GOP party there releasing a statement basically explaining his displeasure over Trump's statement, saying, quote, "We at the North Carolina Republican Party are not aware of election results being optional." All right. Take a look at someone like Maine's governor, Paul LePage, who has been a huge Trump supporter, a man who's been known for making his own controversial statements, a man known for not mincing words, saying the following about Trump, saying, it's a the stupid comment. He went on to say, quote, "get over yourself."
It is just another sign that there are more members of the GOP simply just losing patience with Trump -- Anderson.
COOPER: All right. Jason Carroll, thanks for the reporting.
As for Hillary Clinton, she had a quieter day devoted it seems to not making headlines perhaps from here on out. Instead as Brianna Keilar reports, she's taking a victory lap of sorts while high-powered surrogates hit the trail.
CLINTON: Hi, everybody.
BRIANNA KEILAR, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL CORRESOPNDENT (voice-over): Hillary Clinton reveling in her third and final debate with Donald Trump.
CLINTON: Feeling, you know, both relieved and very grateful. No more debates, no more naps --
KEILAR: A jab at Trump for accusing her of resting instead of preparing while she was off the campaign trail for days.
[20:05:02] That was the case again today as on high profile surrogates to rally voters, President Obama in Miami.
BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: You can reject somebody who proves himself unfit to be president every single day in every single way.
KEILAR: Vice President Joe Biden in New Hampshire.
JOSEPH BIDEN, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Either he's so stupid that he doesn't understand -- no no, it's possible. Really, it is possible he doesn't understand the damage he's doing.
TRUMP: No idea.
CLINTON: Seventeen --
KEILAR: Clinton did her best to inflict damage last night by landing one little jab after the other.
CLINTON: The wall Donald talks about building. He went to Mexico. He had a meeting with the Mexican president. Didn't even raise it. He choked.
TRUMP: I sat in my apartment today, in a very beautiful hotel down the street, known as Trump -- CLINTON: Made with Chinese steel.
KEILAR: And she saw a huge opportunity in Trump's refusal to say he'd accept the outcome of the election, calling it horrifying.
CLINTON: Every time Donald sees things not going in his direction, he claims, whatever it is, is rigged against him. He's denigrating, he's talking down our democracy and I for one am appalled that somebody who is the nominee of one of our two major parties would take that kind of position.
KEILAR: Clinton's campaign thinks Trump made a fatal mistake and they will be talking about it until Election Day.
OBAMA: To suggest that he will not concede despite losing the vote. And then says today that he will accept the results if he wins? That is -- that is not a joking matter. No, no, I want everybody to pay attention here. That is dangerous.
COOPER: And Brianna Keilar joins us now.
Any word on what to expect from Clinton at tonight's dinner? We're going to be bringing our viewers, both Clinton and Trump, live.
KEILAR: Her campaign, Anderson, is being tight-lipped. But we do know that Donald Trump is going to be speaking first, Hillary Clinton second. So, that's something that could affect how all of this plays out.
Since we know Donald Trump really likes to counterpunch, he's not necessarily going to have that opportunity tonight. We heard Al Smith IV, the host of this dinner, saying that he was encouraging civility. In fact, he told a joke opening this dinner where he said that Donald Trump had gone up to Hillary Clinton and said, how are you doing? And she said, I'm fine. Now get out of the ladies dressing room.
That was something that both candidates had a good chuckle at. But keep in mind, they didn't even shake hands backstage. There was a photo receiving line. They were both part of it, and they did not shake hands.
So, it's really up in the air about what we are going to see tonight when the acrimony between them is very real. I was on the airplane coming back with Hillary Clinton last night, and one of her aides said to me after no handshaking at all at the debate, enough is enough. At a certain point, you just draw a line.
COOPER: Brianna Keilar, we'll be watching. Thanks very much.
You heard what President Obama said about the allegation of a rigged election. As you might imagine, Trump supporters see things differently.
Jessica Schneider tonight reports. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
JESSICA SCHNEIDER, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): In the final stretch to November 8th, Trump's backers seem emboldened by the candidate's toughening talk.
PHIL DIETZ, TRUMP SUPPORTER: You know what? I think he can make a difference.
SCHNEIDER: Phil Dietz and his wife Keri say they want a change and aren't bothered by Trump's refusal during the debate to say he'd absolutely accept the outcome of the election.
TRUMP: It is rigged.
KERI DIETZ, TRUMP SUPPORTER: He said a rigged election. Everybody knows there's been things in all elections but he didn't say, I'm not -- he said, wait to see what the results are. He's not going to go I'm going this or that before it is even like done.
SCHNEIDER (on camera): And him saying that is OK with you?
P. DIETZ: Actually, we love it.
TRUMP: Of course, I would accept a clear election result. But I would also reserve my right to contest or file a legal challenge in the case of a questionable result.
SCHNEIDER (voice-over): Trump's supporters back him up.
BOB HEATH, TRUMP SUPPORTER: I think he said he's not going accept it the night or the day after until he sees what happens.
SCHNEIDER (on camera): But you are optimistic he'll eventually accept it.
HEATH: I think so. What if he doesn't? If she still wins she wins.
KEN NINER, TRUMP SUPPORTER: I think if he does lose, which he's not going to, I think he'll have it investigated and if they come one positive proof, I think he'll accept it gracefully.
SCHNEIDER (voice-over): But Trump's repeated rallying cry of a rigged election also seems to be dividing his supporters. Some say the rhetoric is troubling.
RAY MCCURRY, TRUMP SUPPORTER: I think he should say yes, I'll support the person elected.
SCHNEIDER (on camera): And are you hoping he'll didn't say that last night?
MCCURRY: Yes, I hope he'll change his tune, which he does once in a while.
SCHNEIDER (voice-over): While and others are fired up and buying into the unproven voter fraud allegations.
JENNIFER HARWIG, TRUMP SUPPORTER: Only because we see that Hillary rigged the primary. I mean, all the information that's coming out, you know?
[20:10:01] So, if she rigged the primary against Sanders, why wouldn't she rig against it Trump?
DIANE SYNDER, TRUMP SUPPORTER: Definitely.
SCHNEIDER (on camera): You think so even though statistics show they aren't rigged and there's very small chances of voter fraud?
SYNDER: Not true at all. They are putting voters out that are illegals. They are not legal to vote. They are signing up people that should not be on the rolls.
SCHNEIDER: So, you think it's okay, Donald Trump is continually talking about the supposed rigged election?
SYNDER: Yes, it is rigged. Without a doubt.
SCHNEIDER: Your secretary of state, John Husted, came forward and said, hey, Mr. Trump, it's not rigged. I control the elections here in Ohio. What's your thought on that?
SYNDER: Maybe not in Ohio but I know other states.
COOPER: And Jessica joins us now.
It seems like some people are troubled by Trump's talk. Why do they look past it?
SCHNEIDER: Well, you know, Anderson many of the people I spoke with acknowledge that Donald Trump is not perfect but they do relish the fact that he is not a polished politician.
Now, the people I spoke with out here say their anger for Washington, D.C. is more pervasive than anything and they do think that Donald Trump is the only person who can shake it all up -- Anderson.
COOPER: All right. Jessica Schneider, thanks very much.
Let's bring in the panel. Clinton supporter and MoveOn.org national spokesperson Karine Jean-Pierre, Clinton supporter and former New York City Council speaker, Christine Quinn, "Washington Post" political reporter, Philip Bump, also Trump supporters Jeffery Lord and Andre Bauer. Jeff is a former top political honcho in the Reagan White House, Andre is a former lieutenant governor of South Carolina.
I mean, Philip, you have the aftermath of the debate. Donald Trump saying he'd accept the results if he win, kind of making a joke about it. Do you think this is going to resonate now for a while? PHILIP BUMP, THE WASHINGTON POST: I think this challenge will be
through election day, right? I mean, what we're seeing is not, you know, he tried to walk back from a little bit today, saying, you know, I reserved the right to file a challenge or whatever, which of course any candidate can do if there is actually a challenge to be filed.
But he's spent weeks talking about, A, how the polls are rigged and the polls don't actually represent reality when in fact polls show that he's losing quite badly right now. He's spent a lot of time talking about how the election is titled and rigged and there's vote fraud, which has no evidence of, and we can't reiterate that enough. And at the same time, all he's been talking to the entire general election campaign is his own base of support. He's made no overtures to anyone else. There's this insular community which agrees with what he's saying, which agrees that the polls are rigged, which thinks there's voter fraud, and he has ability after the election to say to those folks, this thing was rigged without any evidence.
COOPER: Jeffrey, I mean, do you think he helped matters today by making that joke?
JEFFREY LORD, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Sure. Look, in the conservative community, although I was plane bound for a see what was going on there. And as I suspected, they really think that this is the mainstream media obsessing over this one line in the speech. Of course, if you think you've been cheated of an election, you reserve the right to do something about it.
I raise the obvious as other people have come forward and raised the Al Gore thing. That's what Al Gore did. So, well, I mean, he did. He protested the election, right?
COOPER: Right. But the question is if Donald Trump loses big on election night, is he going to make the allegation that there was widespread voter fraud resulting in millions of votes?
LORD: We'd have to wait and see. It would help if there were facts, right?
But again I'd have to disagree with my friend Phil here. In fact there's been evidence of voter fraud in American history. Lots of times, I'm sorry. Lots of times. I documented myself 57,000 registrations that were rejected by the city of Philadelphia -- the county of Philadelphia in 2008 for forging Social Security numbers, using dead people. Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
BUMP: And in 2012, the state of Pennsylvania's Republican governor admitted in legal affidavit, there have been no examples of voter fraud in the state of Pennsylvania --
LORD: OK. But believe me, I assure you. I have to start my to let lose my inner Drew Griffin here, I'm going to be checking in Pennsylvania and I'll get back to you.
COOPER: But you don't buy what he just said?
LORD: I do not.
CHRISTINE QUINN, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: That a government official under oath basically said there was no voter fraud. I mean, I think that is the kind of thing that we have to accept, right? I mean, that is a statement under oath by a government official.
But -- anyway. Let's set the Al Gore thing aside for a second. Right now in this presidential election what we're seeing is Donald Trump losing. When he was winning, everything was great. Now he's losing.
And we're seeing what a schoolyard bully does when he starts to lose. They whine and whine and lash out at others. So, it is very unprofessional, very unpresidential, undignified behavior and bad for our democracy.
But it is not surprising because everybody know he's a bully and he's acting like a bully and whining.
COOPER: To her point, Donald Trump has himself said when the polls show, "I'm winning, I like the polls and I talk about the polls when the polls show I'm not, I don't mention them. I don't buy them."
ANDRE BAUER, TRUMP SUPPORTER: Well, it's been very rare we show polls that actually show him winning. In the primary, it was this, there's no way he can get 40 percent. He'll never get a majority. He'll never win the primary.
[20:15:01] As soon as all the candidates drop out and Republicans can unify against anybody but him, they will beat him too. So, I've heard about these polls that he never could win. And so, he's been beaten down the whole time, and every time, it's been, can we get one thing, extrapolate it and just pound, pound, pound, instead of actually engaging in conversation that took place in the debate --
COOPER: Right. But we talk about positive polls all the time during the primaries with Donald Trump, because I remember doing interviews with Donald Trump and in fact he would insist on starting out the interviews by having everybody acknowledge how well he's doing in the polls. So pretty much --
BUMP: And he led in the polls from July 17th through the primaries, exception of three days.
BAUER: Even if he challenges as an American he has that right. But what effect is it going to have? Zero. It is not going change anything.
BUMP: As a former elected official, you have to appreciate the fact that the democracy rests on people's confidence that the majority rule cares the day. And this is casting doubt on the idea that the majority's --
(CROSSTALK) KARINE JEAN-PIERRE, HILLARY CLINTON SUPPORTER: Can I just say? I mean, we have election experts who have debunked this, right? And we have 30 Republican governors in this country, right? So it is beyond the pale that he would continue to do this.
And one thing I wanted to add as well is the last couple of weeks, he's been talking about inner cities. He's been talking about Chicago and Philly, which is also incredibly dangerous rhetoric because what that is is voter intimidation. You are leading to unrest on the day of the election and you're taking us back to the 1950s and 1960s. And this also is very dangerous.
The third thing I want to say is, where is the leadership, the Republican leadership? Where is Paul Ryan in this? Because he is a constitutional officer and he is second in line to being president of the United States right after Joe Biden and it is his responsibility to also come out.
COOPER: The Al Smith dinner, which we're going to be showing our viewers live both Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton because it is the first time, probably the last time they are going to be on a stage together face to face essentially.
Christine, you have been at this dinner multiple times.
COOPER: I want to play a joke Brianna Keilar mentioned earlier before, that one of the speakers kind you have gave. That she didn't tell it well or anything but let's just play it.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
ALFRED E. SMITH IV, MASTER OF CEREMONIES AT CHARITY DINNER: Before the dinner started Donald went up to Hillary and asked her how she was doing. And she replied "I'm fine, now get out of the ladies dressing room."
(END VIDEO CLIP)
COOPER: It is gong to be interesting to see how they will relate to each other or don't relate to each. And we're told, Brianna was saying, they didn't shake hands backstage at this event. And it is supposed to be telling self-deprecating jokes about yourself as much as poking fun with the other person.
QUINN: Absolutely. And, you know, I've been to a number of these and remember clearly in the Obama/McCain year I think it was. McCain was way funnier than Obama. He killed it up there.
But usually, the candidates put a ton of work into this. Have a professional comedy writer who helps them. They take it really serious and you are as the candidate themselves are as much a target as the opponent. So, a question tonight is going to be, you know, given all they have
both been through can either even pretend to be funny even and can Donald Trump make any jokes about himself. But it's really as you can see by the days and stuff it is a microscope room.
They are going to have to like think about their face or just not the whole time, because you are watch -- I was always in the back row, like the top of it. And I'll never forget I got a text from my wife saying get off your BlackBerry, you are at the Al Smith dinner and I was at the back.
So, they're on a microscope.
COOPER: We're going take a break.
We're going to be bringing you Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton when they speak live coming up.
Also next, though, Donald Trump says he'll accept the results if he win. Question is what are the chances of that? We'll take a closer look right now at his uphill rode to the White House where both candidates are and we'll talk more about what to expect at tonight's Al Smith dinner as the candidates speak about 40 minutes away, we're told.
[20:22:41] COOPER: Getting closer to what could be another clash tonight between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. They'll each be speaking tonight at a New York charity dinner. Whether they'll be charitable toward one another remains to be seen. What's clear, though, is what each candidate faces on the electoral map and, though, it might change for better or worse for either candidate. Right now, it is distinctly better for one than the other.
Our "INSIDE POLITICS" anchor John King joins us to break it down by the numbers -- John.
JOHN KING, CNN CHIEF NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Anderson, you look at where the candidates were today, where the surrogates were today, you learned a lot about what they think about the debate and whether they think it will have an impact, where they think they need to focus in the last 18, 19 days.
Let's just start with Donald Trump was. He was in Ohio today and this is why. No Republican has won the White House without winning Ohio and it is a dead heat right now, 45-45, in this brand new Suffolk University poll. So, Donald Trump knows he has to win it.
Let's switch to the map that matters most, the path to 270. Going into this debate we already have Secretary Clinton winning in a lopsided way. Her goal: protect what you have. Her campaign thinks they come out of the debate with even more momentum than they had going in.
The Trump campaign disputes that. We'll see. We'll know by the weekend, Anderson. We'll start to get some polling post-debate clean polling.
But look at the map right now, right? So, Donald Trump was here. It makes sense. He's got to win Ohio.
President Obama down here. This was the biggest change we made yesterday in terms of numbers, leaning Florida's 29 electoral votes for the Democrats. Vice President Biden, it's a small but important blue collar battleground in the state of New Hampshire. Tim Kaine was here in North Carolina. Democrats want to take it back. It is very close. He was focusing there.
And you also had the first lady, the biggest surprise of the day, out there. We took Arizona from lean Republicans to toss up yesterday. The Democrats think they can stretch what already is a significant Clinton advantage out here. So, watch the people on the campaign trail. No question at the moment, clear momentum for Hillary Clinton and the Democrats.
COOPER: You also get a sense, John, just of the bench, the deep bench that Hillary Clinton has to call on to have primary players in all of these states. What are the one and two states to watch as a test towards any progress towards a Donald Trump comeback.
KING: And that bench, Anderson, makes such a huge difference because she can stay down today for the most part, you know, making phone calls, or maybe raising some money, maybe preparing for that speech tonight. But with the president and the first lady, the vice president, Senator Sanders, Senator Warren, what's one or two states to watch?
Number one, Donald Trump, 72 percent for Mitt Romney in Utah four years ago, a 10-point win for Mitt Romney in Arizona. If he can't get the ruby red state, game over. So, watch when you see state polling in those states in the next several days.
[20:25:03] Are they moving back Donald Trump's way? If they're not, game over.
The other one to watch, simply, if you want to watch one state from here on out, Donald Trump can't win without the 29 in the state of Florida. So, if you want to watch one state, watch there.
But on this point, I'm actually a contrarian, Anderson. How many months have I said stop asking me about national polls, they don't matter in a presidential race, right? Well, in this one, they do at the moment, because Hillary Clinton has an 8-point on average lead nationally.
If this stays like that, you don't have to go state by state. This tells you it's a blow out. If you see this go back to a three-point race, then it is time to go state by state beginning in places like Florida.
COOPER: Did anything surprise you by either of the campaign's targeting today? KING: Yes, one was kind of a head scratcher. The Trump campaign does
this from time to time. Mike Pence, the vice presidential running mate, was out at the debate. He started in Nevada, went from Vegas to Reno. That makes perfect sense, they want to swing Nevada.
But then he went to New Mexico. He went to New Mexico. The Democrats won it by ten points last time, 15 points in 2008. It is a Democratic state.
We asked why, they said because he was out west. Well, Utah is out west. Arizona is out west. Why in the world did Mike Pence go to New Mexico? Head scratching, Anderson.
COOPER: All right. John King -- John, thanks.
Back now with the panel.
You know, Phil, when you see John King's latest numbers, they do speak for themselves. Is there something? What can Donald Trump do to try to get back some of these states to kind of reverse the trend?
BUMP: I mean, it's -- I don't have an answer to that question. There is 19 days left. Donald Trump has had the map working against him basically the entire campaign. He's come close during the national numbers for a while. A lead for Hillary Clinton has grown again.
There is no indication right now that he is going to be able to rebuild the support with Republicans and independents that he's lost over the past couple of weeks to help him make sure Arizona is safely red and help him win Ohio or Florida. There's no indication he's actually doing what the campaign needs do besides having big rallies, and tweeting and that is clearly not doing it.
COOPER: Jeffrey Lord, what do you see that other folks don't, the Democrats don't?
LORD: I think tomorrow he'll be in Johnstown, Pennsylvania, which is exactly the kind of place he should be to try and carry Pennsylvania. He will be discussing I'm sure trade issues and coal which is very important in that section of Pennsylvania. And as you know she's been out of there saying she in essence want to take coal miners jobs from them, et cetera. I mean, this is having an effect there. So he's going there and I'm sure he's going to be coming back again.
KING: But when you look at the map, I mean --
LORD: Right. Well, this is how you have to do it, state by state by state. You have to target your issue and your states and go in there and get this job done. And that is what he's doing. I mean, that's -- and bring the message all together, the kind of message that was talked about in the debate, the disparate parts of it, the elites versus the American people et cetera. Tie that all in with the FBI and State Department and all these things, the WikiLeaks stuff.
COOPER: Hasn't been he doing this? LORD: Yes, but now this is closing argument time and he needs to take
call all of his arguments and summarize them and go where he should go.
QUINN: But the fact -- I would argue the fact that he -- Ohio is so close.
BUMP: Yes, exactly.
QUINN: Pennsylvania is where it at. If Donald Trump really had any hope of winning, he would be blowing it out in Ohio. He would be strong in Pennsylvania. Those are places he is now weak. He is not winning and that is a real sign he might be able to scurry --
LORD: How many times he'd been counted, Christine, in this year?
QUINN: You know what, at some point, you know, I'll give you that in the primaries, I will, that everybody counted him out and unfortunately he prevailed in my opinion.
But this is a very different race -- a two-person race against Hillary Clinton who is no joke. It is 19 days away. We might be watching a Catholic dinner, but there are no miracles like that in politics. This is over and you see that in his attempts to salvage a couple of the working class states he should win and that doesn't strength. It speaks to weakness.
JEAN-PIERRE: A couple of things, he's not going win in Pennsylvania because of Philly and Philly suburbs and he's hemorrhaging with college-educated whites, both male and female. Pennsylvania is off -- it's literally off the play.
Here's what's happening. She is expanding in traditional red states and he is defending Romney states. That is a problem. That is not where you want to be 19 days out. And so, this is does not -- the map looks terrible for him.
We're talking about Utah, Arizona. Heck, Texas -- 38 electoral votes in Texas.
COOPER: Do you think the votes are not accurate? One argument Trump supporters have been making for a long time is that there is hidden enthusiasm that is not represented in the polls? There is a lot of enthusiasm we see at the rallies and there are voters out there who are not represented.
BAUER: Well, I think the polls are calling the historical people that they always call. I haven't gotten a call yet. Not one. So I think there are a lot of folks.
QUINN: They may have filled in yours and high card. Just saying.
BAUER: I do think there is a Brexit out there. How big? I'm almost positive there is a Brexit out there. I don't know how big it is. I think that remains to be seen.
[20:30:02] But you asked Jeffrey earlier about what he can do. You know, he talked the other day about term limits. So many people Republican and Democrat that are fed up with the people who go up to Washington and never leave. Things like that that across the board can get moderate the needs to hammer.
COOPER: That was one of the things, I mean the whole the drain the swamp thing, which seem to be getting kind of right.
COOPER: Didn't even mention it last night at the debate. And one of those opportunities that was kind of missed.
BAUER: And I did. I thought that was a missed opportunity because those -- is now, those middle voters. They're swing voters. How can I grab them and any time you talk about the corrupt D.C. cartel and getting the bums out, that's a winner and he needs to hammer home those things.
QUINN: And let me say two things. In -- if I was on the Trump side I would also say that was a missed opportunity. But the fact that Donald Trump in these debates can't land his lines, can't land the blows shows that if he can't even follow debate prep and instruction.
LORD: But he did land a blow ...
QUINN: How is he going to be able to really lead and be in tough international negotiations?
COOPER: He does seem, like after about 40 minutes.
QUINN: He collapsed.
COOPER: There is a time limit on him, like it does seem. Do you -- because you would argue did very well I guess was in the first debate in the beginning. You've arguably in the second debate, you know, when he was very aggressive. Even in this debate but then like she starts to like just poke at him. Mentions, you know, that your dad -- his dad gave him $14 million which he denies and then that begins the problem.
LORD: Right, right. I mean, I don't know what to say about that. I mean I think he's -- I thought -- I genuinely thought he had a very good debate and the thing that is frustrating for Trump supporters. He turned to her and challenged her, why don't you give the money back from Saudis and groups like, you know, countries like this that have such horrific record like this with gays and women. She just blew it off.
COOPER: Right, that is called debating and if he was better prepared he could have followed up ...
(CROSSTALK) QUINN: And similarly to what he does when people ask about his taxes. But I want to go back to what Andre said about polls for a moment. You know, one of the things that gives me, you know, positive feelings about the polls is he never broke for 40 in the primaries. Even when he was winning he never broke 40. We're seeing those same kinds of numbers now. In the high to mid 30s. So there are tracks that consistency of who he can get and no more.
COOPER: We're going pick up the conversation surely. Right now body language during the debate immediately after afterwards always fascinating to look at think. This caught people's eyes right after NBC, Donald Trump there ripping a page from a note pad. Look closer, a lot of people saw an expression that had not been -- they not seen him make before. He appears to be kind of grinding his teeth, maybe not happy, whatever the expression, voters take note to how the candidates carry themselves.
Our Gary Tuchman spend the day analyze the debate with a body language expert.
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GARY TUCHMAN, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Just like the last debate they did not shake hands when it started. What does that tell you we're going to see for the next 90 minutes?
NICK MORGAN, BODY LANGUAGE EXPERT: It is going to be an angry debate and this time is calculated. The last time you could put it out to accident, the layout of the room or tension in the area at the moment. But this time they had plenty of time to decide to shake hands and they didn't.
TUCHMAN: There was an exchange during the debate, Nick were you say just in a in one second you can tell a lot about what Donald Trump was saying even if the sound was turned down. So let's play that.
CLINTON: Because he'd rather have a puppet as president of the United States.
TRUMP: No puppet.
TUCHMAN: All right, so there you see this face. And what does that face in that split second tell you?
MORGAN: As you say that went by so fast and yet freezing it like that you can see the disgust and anger in the face. So he really didn't like that puppet comment.
TUCHMAN: And he was disgusted and angry. But does that work against him or work for him?
MORGAN: This is Trump being consistent. Consistently angry.
TUCHMAN: Hillary Clinton did something that we haven't seen much of in other debates. It was notable in this debate. It was her looking down a lot. CLINTON: The Russian government has engaged in espionage against Americans.
MORGAN: I think she's uncomfortable here. I think it is a tell for Hillary. She normally makes very good eye contact with the audience, with the questioner. In this case she's looking down because she's a little uncertain of what she's talking about.
TUCHMAN: Interesting moment in the debate when the moderator said something funny and we have very different reactions from both the candidates. Watch.
CHRIS WALLACE, PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE MODERATOR: There is almost no issue than separates the two of you more than the issue of immigration. And actually there are a lot of issues that separate the two of you.
TUCHMAN: So, you have her not only smiling but laughing, you have him looking down and looking very serious. What does that tell you?
MORGAN: Hillary's reaction is more human one. She's laughing in response to the humor. That's what we'd expect from an ordinary person. Trump's response is consistent with his overall anger. It never changes. It never varies.
TUCHMAN: We talk about this a lot during debates and presentations but it was very present during this debate last night. The water sip.
[20:35:00] CLINTON: Espionage against our people is the life and the health of the mother.
They have 4 million American citizen children.
Competition in Asia you said increasing jobs. We've got to do more.
TUCHMAN: What does that tell a body language expert?
MORGAN: Both people are going to be nervous. They're going to get the adrenaline coursing through their system. One of the effects of adrenaline is dry mouth. And Donald gave into that and sipped plenty of water in effort to alleviate that symptom.
TUCHMAN: Something we haven't talked about in any of these body language segments during the debate season but was very interesting to notice last night. Let's call it the microphone adjustments.
CLINTON: When we talk about the Supreme Court.
Citizens united, a decision that has ...
But there is no doubt that I respect the Second Amendment.
MORGAN: And he is nervous. This is a fidget. This is consistent with his other behavior.
TUCHMAN: And now I want to show you one of the key moments of the debate something that everyone is talking about today.
WALLACE: Are you saying you are not prepared, not to deficit that principle?
TRUMP: What I'm saying is that I will tell you at the time. I'll keep you in suspense.
MORGAN: He's absolutely sincere. His face in fact opened up. He's eyebrows when up, so he's happy to make this pronouncement. He's been absolutely genuine. He intends to keep us in suspense.
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COOPER: Well, up next, during the debate, Donald Trump called Hillary Clinton quote, "Such a nasty woman." Tonight we'll hear some reaction from women who are undecided going into the debate about that moment.
Also tonight Trump and Clinton, face to face again, what's supposed to be a light-hearted event when they step up to the podium. We'll bring you their comments live that supposed to take place very soon.
[20:40:10] COOPER: Soon Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump will speak at a charity dinner in New York City. We'll bring it to you live. Today two of Trump's phrases from last night's debate set the internet on fire. Bad Hombres and nasty women. The reaction was swift online and today you can actually buy t-shirts emblazon (ph) with those phrases if so incline. The latter is of course what Trump called the Clinton interrupting her, she answer the question about Social Security and Medicare.
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CLINTON: My social security, payroll contribution will go up as will Donald's, assuming he can't figure out how to get out of it. But what we want to do is replenish the ...
TRUMP: Such a nasty woman.
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COOPER: Our Randi Kaye got reaction from someone who called themselves undecided going into the debate. Take a look.
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RANDI KAYE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Who has actually decided on a candidate? And who have you decided to vote for?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Donald Trump.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Donald Trump.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hillary Clinton. KAYE: Of the six women we gathered in Las Vegas two are firmly now behind Donald Trump despite his comments about women and women's issues at the Las Vegas debate. When asked at the debate about the women accusing Trump of groping them, this was his response.
TRUMP: Those stories have been largely debunked. Those people I don't know those people. I have a feeling how they came, I believed it was her campaign that did it.
KAYE: In fact some of the women's stories have been corroborated.
Did it bother you that he just flatly brush to side of all these accusations during the debate?
ROSILAND BIVINGS, NEW VOTING TO CLINTON: Yes it bothered me. It shows me the level of -- to me the level of respect that he has for women who are defenseless.
NATALIE TITPETT, UNDECIDED VOTER: It just shows no respect for women. It just shows that it's just an object like your toy.
KAYE: This newly minted Trump supporter liked that Trump said he hadn't apologized about the accusations to his wife Melania.
TERRI CHAPMAN, NOW VOTING FOR TRUMP: I think that was totally the right answer him to say. I didn't apologize because it didn't happen.
KAYE: Trump was quick to say that nobody has more respect for women than he does.
LANA MILLON, NOW VOTING FOR TRUMP: I think he respects women. I mean I -- the way that he treats his children. His wife. To me that's respectful.
KAYE: Respectful was not how some in this group thought Trump behaved when he leaned into the microphone to call Hillary Clinton such a nasty women.
BIVINGS: The chancellor of Germany is a female. We have women leaders in the world. Are you going talk to them this way? I was insulted that he would say that.
TITPETT: I thought it just debunked what he said about respecting women. The fact that he would act like a 4-year-old. Here is something that he doesn't like our policy that he doesn't agree with and he goes and says nasty women. It just shows his character and ...
KAYE: Not everyone agreed.
MILLON: You know, it probably wasn't the best, nicest thing to do but at the same time you look at her and the look on her face and, you know, it makes you just want to shake her.
KAYE: Perhaps it was Trump's comment on late-term abortion that divided our group most.
TRUMP: In the ninth month you can take the baby and rip the baby out of the womb of the mother just prior to the birth of the baby.
TITPETT: It's a terrible decision that someone has to make. And to make it seem like they just got a knife and ripped it out, like that was the easiest decision of their life.
CHAPMAN: Yes, that is exactly how the baby is pulled out of the mother so he was not far off.
MILLON: Sounded like a cesarean, yes.
KAYE: It didn't bother you? You stand by him?
CHAPMAN: I appreciate him speaking truth in that. They're ugly words, they're absolutely ugly words, but I believed there are words that have to be put out there.
KAYE: More ugly words in one of the ugliest campaigns ever.
Randi Kaye, CNN, Las Vegas.
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COOPER: Joining me now, two of our political commentators, Trump supporter Kayleigh McEnany and Clinton support Christine Quinn.
Kayleigh, I mean given Donald Trump's deficit among women voters, it was a comment like such a nasty women helpful?
KAYLEIGH MCENANY, TRUMP SUPPORTER: Look, probably not. I think that he was frustrated in that moment. I think there are a lot of woman who looked at Hillary Clinton and they did see smug, arrogance. Certainly conservative women and there is a deep frustration with some of the things she's gotten away with, you know, sledge hammering blackberries as what her instead.
So there's a lot of frustration there. And I think that was moment of frustration on Donald Trump said that those words. I don't think he should have said it. But I think if it were a man sitting there he would have said nasty man. I don't think there were any gender connotations. And it probably doesn't help but I think most women are voting on issues.
COOPER: I mean, he's certainly been very aggressive toward the men he was against in the primary.
QUINN: Yeah, look I don't think take this as much as a sexiest comment honestly. I just take it as an incredibly rude, borish, bullying comment which we've seen him do across the board. And what it really says to me is he's not a respectful person. I think we've seen clear evidence that he is particularly disrespectful and more than that against women and relating to women.
[20:45:07] But what this really shows is that he lacks the temperament to be president. An opponent kind of picking at him. Giving little like ping-pong ball shots makes him say something that's undignified, unpresidential and not good for his race. If he can be goaded like that on this stage, what would he possibly do in meetings with international leaders? This shows another reason he just doesn't have what it takes.
COOPER: Kayleigh, do you believe he could be goaded easily? You know, she says he's a puppet. He instantly fires back, you know, I'm not a puppet, you're the puppet. You're the puppet.
MCENANY: No, I don't think so. I think that there is a Donald Trump that's on stage or at a rally or in a debate or in front of the TV camera and there's also the Donald Trump who created a $10 billion brand and he didn't do that by blowing up, he did that by, you know, negotiating behind the scenes with other very important business leaders and I think his business speaks to the fact he can do that. And I think this is where I think we mislead ourselves. I really don't think anyone is going to go into a voting booth and be like he called her a nasty women, I can vote for that guy.
I think people are going to be in that voting booth and says how's my kid going to afford college, how I'm -- I going to have a job or a higher wage, and I think that's how ...
COOPER: Do you think the temperament idea. The character or temperament to be president is something people are going to vote on?
MCENANY: It maybe, and Hillary Clinton have done an effective job at trying to make this and raise about temperament. And this where they only sees on Trump to make it a race about issues, because he wins on the issues every day of the week.
QUINN: You know, I think the issue -- whether or not it is going to be a voting booth issue we'll know that, you know, in a couple of weeks. I think it is generally how people should behave though. By people who are running to be president of the United States, the most powerful position in the world should not behave poorly. Should not call other people names and we've seen Donald Trump do that all through the primary with person after person after person. It is not how I would want my nieces and nephews and grand nieces and grand nephew to behave.
And I think people running for president of United States should behave better than the 4 and 5 and 6-year-olds in my life. And what if they were watching it, and all of a sudden they think it's OK to call people names. It's not about the votes at time, it's sometimes about something more important about leadership and sending a message of civility.
MCENANY: Just one sentence. People running for office should also be able to pass a basic test for a security clearance and none of us are certain Hillary Clinton is going to pass that.
QUINN: Quite certain a hundred times over.
COOPER: Kayleigh, Christine Quinn, thanks very much.
Just ahead, just minutes from now Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton are going to speak at the Annual Al Smith Charity Dinner here in New York. Original politics. Supposed to be an evening of fun of serve self defecating humor, but in this bare or bare knuckles election, will tonight's roast become something of an inferno. Both candidates are going to speak. We'll bring them both to you live.
[20:50:35] COOPER: Well just minutes from now, we'll find out if Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton can pull off what might be impossible hit the pause button on their disdain for each other and immerse themselves in the spare of the annual Al Smith Dinner here in New York. The fund raiser for Catholic charities is a ritual of politics, a night when partisan rivals are expected to poke gentle fun at themselves and at each other. Al Smith IV, the emcee, is setting the tone tonight.
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ALFRED E. SMITH IV, MASTER OF CEREMONIES: Donald, even though there's a man sitting next to you in a robe, you're not in the locker room. So -- so, please, watch your language.
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COOPER: Well, that's what they're aiming for. And here's how it played out over the years and the candidates. Jeff Zeleny looks back.
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JEFF ZELENY, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: It's a ritual stop on the road to the White House. A place where Democrats ...
BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF UNITED STATES: I went shopping at store in midtown, I understand Governor Romney went shopping for some stores in midtown.
ZELENY: And Republicans.
MITT ROMNEY, (R) 2012 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: It's nice to finally relax and to wear what Ann and I wear around the house.
ZELENY: Have long come together for a night of comedy and comity. The Annual Al Smith Dinner in New York has drawn presidents and aspiring ones. In years gone by, there's far more self-deprecating satire.
GEORGE W. BUSH, 43RD PRESIDENT OF UNITED STATES: This is an impressive crowd. The haves and the have-mores. Some people call you the elite. I call you my base.
ZELENY: Then score-settling.
JOHN MCCAIN, (R) 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I can't shake that feeling that some people here are pulling from me. I'm delighted to see you here tonight, Hillary.
ZELENY: The white tie dinner, a benefit for Catholic charities, has often provided relief from the rancor of the campaign trail, like this exchange in that epic race 16 years ago.
AL GORE, (D) 2000 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: One of my favorite shows is "Who Wants To Be A Millionaire?" Well it should really be called, who wants to be after taxes a $651,437.70 person.
BUSH: Talked a lot about our economic plans and my opponent keeps saying I give too much tax relief to the top 1 percent. But he hasn't heard my latest proposal. The bottom 99 percent will do well when they get to split Dick Cheney's stock options.
ZELENY: During his two appearances at the dinner, President Obama often poked fun at himself.
OBAMA: Well tonight's not about the disagreements Governor Romney and I may have. It's what we have in common, beginning with our unusual names. Actually, Mitt is his middle name. I wish I could use my middle name.
ZELENY: His rivals did too.
MCCAIN: And I come here tonight to the Al Smith Dinner knowing that I'm the underdog in these final weeks, but if you know where to look, there are signs of hope.
ZELENY: The laughter flowed both ways, a respite from the negative campaigns that almost seemed quaint this time around. Respect for the office seemed clear, from the winners ...
BUSH: That here Mr. Vice President, I can't wish you success, but I do wish you well.
ZELENY: ... and the losers.
ROMNEY: Don't tell anyone I said so, but our 44th president has many gifts and a beautiful family that would make any man proud. In our country, you can oppose someone in politics and make a confident case against their policies without any ill will.
ZELENY: Tonight's dinner, a test for whether that message still stands. Jeff Zeleny, CNN, Washington.
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COOPER: Well, Donald Trump will speak first tonight. He's expected to take the stage in just a few minutes. We'll obviously be taking that live.
Joining me now is CNN chief political analyst, Gloria Borger, CNN national correspondent, "Inside Politics" anchor, John King, and CNN senior political analyst and former presidential adviser, David Gergen.
Gloria, the dinner is I mean designed to kind of be a break from the constant campaign back and forth for candidates. Do you see that happening tonight, though? GLORIA BORGER, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL ANALYST: I sure hope so. I think we could all use it and I think that they could use it. I mean the conversation this evening that you've been having Anderson, is very different from the conversations in the past. We're talking about, did they shake hands? We know they posed for pictures. But did they talk to each other? Did they engage with each other?
[20:55:04] We haven't had those conversations in the past years, because it wasn't a question at all. And I think after last night's debate, in which Donald Trump called her, Hillary Clinton, a nasty woman and, you know, they got into it last night and she said, after the debate, that she was horrified about his charges that the election is rigged and that he might not accept the results. They have to sort of dig deep and get some great joke writers here to allow them to kind of get past that and show a little bit of humor.
COOPER: David, you've worked in past administrations. I mean, how important is something like this?
DAVID GERGEN, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: Oh it's really important. And these kind of dinners like the Gridiron Dinner in Washington and other dinners in Washington and this annual hallowed tradition here in New York of the Al Smith Dinner, they're real tests of people, of their character, and their humor. Humor is extraordinarily important, of course, too, I think to succeeding as President Ronald Reagan used his humor.
GERGEN: Jack Kennedy had humor that was very important. But here tonight, I think the test is, can these two people take a joke from each other?
GERGEN: You know, Donald Trump is notoriously thin skinned.
COOPER: And make jokes about themselves.
GERGEN: And make jokes about themselves. You know, that's where I think the tension is tonight and so the focus is, how well can this people actually handle this, especially Trump?
COOPER: Let's go back to the Waldorf Astoria Hotel where Al Smith IV is now speaking. Let's listen.
SMITH: ... let's recognize several dignitaries in the room. Governor Coumo is here tonight.
At last night's debate, gave an idea. He told Bill Marrow that he wants his staff to start calling him a tough hombre. Mayor De Blasio is here tonight. Mr. Mayor.
We like to apologize. We could not grant you your request to sit to the left of everybody. He got here on time. Chuck Schumer is here. You may not know this, but Chuck is running for his fourth term. Chuck has a favor to ask. Can someone tell him who his opponent is?
Senator Gillibrand is also here. Senator, it must be nice to see two New Yorkers vying for the highest office in the land. It just goes to show you that if you were born into immense wealth for your husband was a president, you can accomplish anything.
Rudy Giuliani is here. Mr. Mayor, don't worry, we aim the lights just right to make sure you'll be in Donald Trump's shadow all night.
Governor Christie was supposed to be here, but he got stuck in bridge traffic. It's always nice to be with my friend, Cardinal Dolan.
In this difficult time for our nation, we should think about the deep questions of faith. Cardinal Dolan asks us all things like, how can one fully understand the Holy Spirit? What does salvation really mean? And are you going to finish that?
I mean this sincerely. Everyone in attendance is doing their part in supporting our charitable efforts. And it couldn't be done without you or without the amazing support of the many devoted Catholics on stage. You know, Catholics like Henry Kissinger, Howard Rubenstein, Mort Zuckerman.
[21:00:00] Before we turn this over to our speakers, I want to address the elephant in the room. I was talking to Cardinal Dolan. No, that was not a plan. That was not -- bear with me.