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America's Choice: Clinton, Trump Make Final Pitch Before Polls Open; Obama Makes Case for Clinton in Philadelphia; Candidates Release Ads with Final Messages; World Awaits U.S. Election Results; U.S. Looks For Signs of Election Hackers; Dow Soared After Comey Cleared Clinton in E-mail Investigation. Aired 1-2a ET
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[01:00:00] HILLARY CLINTON, DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: And last night, he reminded us of the responsibility we all share to protect and defend our constitution. The story of Captain Khan is one of courage in the face of danger. He was with his unit when he saw a suspicious vehicle. He told his men to stay back. He moved toward the vehicle to check it out, and the bomb went off.
He lost his life, but everyone else in his unit survived. He was awarded the Bronze Star. And this intensely personal tragedy that the Khan family experienced, becoming a Gold Star family, was one that they thought about, grieved over in the privacy of their home, until they heard my opponent start talking about who was acceptable in America and who wasn't. The categories of people starting with immigrants, including African-Americans and Latinos and POWs and Muslims, the list went on and on.
And it created in Mr. Khan a sense of despair, because he asked himself, would his son have a place in Donald Trump's America? Someone who paid the ultimate price in serving our country. Well, we can answer that question tomorrow resoundingly, yes, absolutely!
Think about - think about how generations of Americans throughout our history have come together to meet the tests of their time. Our parents, our grandparents, our great-grandparents defended democracy. They built the great American middle class, they marched for civil rights and voting rights, for worker's rights and women's rights and LBGT rights, and the rights of people with disabilities.
And tomorrow, we face the test of our time. So remember, it's not just my name or Donald Trump's name on the ballot, it's the kind of country we want. It's every issue anyone cares about. So if you believe America thrives when the middle class thrives, then you have to vote tomorrow.
If you believe we should make the biggest investment in new jobs since World War II in infrastructure, advanced manufacturing, clean energy, small business -- then you have to vote! If you believe we need more fairness in our economy, to raise the minimum wage, because no one who works full-time should still be in poverty, then you have to vote.
If you believe we need to do more to support working families, with affordable child care, paid leave, and equal pay for women.
Then you have to vote, and remember, when my opponent says every time I talk about these issues that I'm playing the woman's card. Well, you know what I say, deal me in!
And if you believe -- if you believe all kids deserve good schools with good teachers no matter what ZIP code they live in, you have to vote! And if you believe college should be more affordable, you have to vote! Bernie sanders and I worked on a plan to make public colleges and universities tuition free!
If you earn less than $125,000 and debt free for everybody else! And for the millions of Americans struggling with student debt, we are going to help you pay that down and pay that off.
If you believe in science and that we've got to address (INAUDIBLE) you have to vote! If you believe we need to reform our criminal justice system so everyone is treated fairly, then you have to vote. And if you believe -- if you believe we should never write discrimination into our laws, well then, you know -- you know, North Carolina, you've got to vote to get rid of HB2!
Now, this is so energizing, we could -- we could keep going with a long list. But here's what - here's what else I want you to know, good thing this election didn't land during exams. That's all I can say. Look, tomorrow night, this election will end, but I want you to understand, our work together will be just beginning.
We have to bridge the divides in this country. As the bible says, we have to repair the breaches, we've got to be willing to start listening to each other again, respecting each other again. And I want to thank Gaga, because she has always stood for that fundamental principle of respecting everybody!
So, I want you to know and I want you to spread the word, I do want to be president for all Americans, not just some, not just the people who support me and vote for me, I want to be president for everyone because we all have a role to play in building that better future for our country and for each of you.
So if you haven't voted yet, go to iwillvote.com. You can get all the info you need and you can still sign up to volunteer, right? Go to hillaryclinton.com or text join, J-O-I-N, to 47246 or stop by one of our offices. We would welcome you to help make sure everybody gets out to vote tomorrow. Because none of us want to wake up Wednesday morning and wish we had done more, right?
And years from today, when your kids and grandkids ask what you did in 2016 when everything was on the line, you'll be able to say, you voted for a stronger, fairer, better America. An America where we build bridges, not walls. And where we prove conclusively that, yes, love trumps hate! Thank you. Let's go vote North Carolina. God bless you. Thank you all, very much!
POPPY HARLOW, CNN NEWSROOM ANCHOR: Well, there you have it, folks. If you can believe it, this may be the last time that you hear from candidate Trump and candidate Clinton before one of them is president- elect. Welcome to our CNN special live coverage of this historic election. This is it, the big finale to the most brutal campaign in recent memory.
I want to welcome our viewers here at home and around the world. I'm Poppy Harlow in New York. It's just past 1:00 in the morning. And for Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, it is a late night fight for every single last vote. Both candidates wrapping up duelling rallies. Trump in Michigan, Clinton in North Carolina. The culmination of a frenzied day that had them crisscrossing a combined five states.
We have our reporters across the country and around the world tonight for you as only CNN can do, and as we count down the final hours until you go to the polls. Let's start with our Phil Mattingly. He is in Raleigh, North Carolina. The final words, Phil, "love trumps hate." Incredible. You know, more than 16 months later, here we are, the final words.
PHIL MATTINGLY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yeah. No, it's -- it is incredible. It's been a long time. We're all very exhausted. But, Poppy, I think it's really interesting, that is a message that Hillary Clinton -- that is a message that Hillary Clinton has had for a while. But she shifted her message today, very deliberately shifted her message today. Take a listen to this.
All right. We don't have the sound, Poppy, but basically, the point here is this, Hillary Clinton pulled the last couple of weeks has been systematically trying to tear down Donald Trump, tear down his candidacy. That's not today. Today, it was about the future. It was about looking forward to a more optimistic candidacy and how to, most importantly, govern should she win tonight.
It's a big moment for the Clinton campaign to make that shift to kind of transition away from the constant Trump attack and it's one that her advisers tell me, Poppy, was a deliberate choice. That's how good they feel about where they are in this race, but that's also the recognition about how damaging this race has been and kind of the healing process it's going to take over the next couple of weeks, Poppy.
HARLOW: Phil, tell us a little bit about the crowd there. Obviously, it is big as is Donald Trump's crowd tonight. I saw a lot of young people. She talked a lot about college and making it tuition free. Who was she trying to target tonight trying to get those undecided voters in a state North Carolina that is so critical for her, and frankly, in a state where the early data on the early voting there doesn't look as -- doesn't look particularly strong for her?
MATTINGLY: Yeah. And look, this is her second time in Raleigh in five days, Poppy. And there's two really good reasons for that, African-American voters, the millennial voters. She's on the campus of NC State right now. This crowd is packed with college kids. We walked in, it was to capacity, and there's a line about 20 blocks around the campus. That's exactly what the Clinton campaign wants to see. And you nailed why, this is the purest of pure toss up states. You talk to the Clinton advisers, you talk to Clinton field staff, they have no idea how this is going to go. They feel -
MATTINGLY: -- OK about things, they felt like they recovered in the early vote, Poppy, but this is a pure tossup, that's why the message was very dedicated to millennial voters today. These are the people Clinton knows she needs to get out if she wants to win North Carolina tomorrow.
HARLOW: And then you heard the president, Phil, earlier this week pleading with the people of North Carolina saying if you come out for Clinton, you will be what decides in this election.
MATTINGLY: Yeah. That's right. That's exactly right. And as you have seen the surrogates kind of all over the place, make that point in Florida, in Nevada, in a number of different states, in Michigan most recently. But it's really been here, where they've looked - you nailed it, Poppy, talking about the early vote. Those numbers were not where they wanted them to be. And there's a number of different reasons why you could say that particularly on the African-American vote. And it is worth noting, there has been a recovery particularly in the African-American vote over the last couple of days of early voting. But still, there's a lot of ground to make up. Mitt Romney won this state in 2012. Democrats need to flip that -- this state and they need millennial voters, they need Hispanic, and they need black voters to do just that, Poppy.
HARLOW: Right. But it did go for President Obama in 2008. So, as you said, anything can happen. Phil Mattingly live for us tonight in Raleigh . Thank you so much. We want you to also listen to part of Donald Trump. He just wrapped up his last -- perhaps last campaign speech tonight in Michigan. Let's listen.
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TRUMP: Michigan now stands at the crossroads of history. When you step into that voting booth today, it's now today, there is one core question for you to consider. Do you want America to be ruled by the corrupt political class or do you want America to be ruled by you, the people?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
HARLOW: Donald Trump in Michigan, a state that he thinks he can take out of democrats' hands. We'll see if he can do that and crack in the blue wall. We will see tomorrow when you go to the polls. Meantime, the first in person Election Day ballots already cast just about an hour ago in the tiny New Hampshire town of Dixville Notch. Total votes? Eight. Who won? Let's go to our Rachel Crane, because it is the midnight vote that is a late nigh tradition that dates back to 1960 when voters went for Nixon over Kennedy, 9-0. Rachel Crane is in Dixville Notch for us tonight. So, who won?
RACHEL CRANE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Poppy, the ballots were cast, the votes were tallied, Clinton getting four votes, Trump getting two, Johnson getting one and one of Dixville Notch residents wrote in Mitt Romney. So, there you have it here in Dixville Notch, Clinton is beating Trump. But, you know, Poppy, I got to point out that Dixville Notch is not the only town that participates in this midnight voting tradition. There's also Harts Location as well as Millsfield, and they do this because there's this quirky law in New Hampshire that says that if a town has less than 100 people, they can close the polls. Once all of the registered voters have voted. And Poppy, I'll point out, though, that collectively, in these three towns that participate in midnight voting here in New Hampshire, Trump is beating Hillary Clinton, Trump getting 32 votes and Hillary Clinton having 25.
HARLOW: Now, team Clinton paying attention to what happened in tiny Dixville Notch tonight, right, one of the advisers tweeting they liked the outcome.
CRANE: Yes, they did. Tweeting out that they were happy about it. I'm sorry. Go ahead, Poppy.
HARLOW: Yeah, Nick Merrill writing Clinton campaign feeling very good about Election Day results thus far. They do have a few more, a few more votes that need to be cast, though.
CRANE: That's right. And he sent that tweet before those votes were tallied in Harts Location and Millsfield. But of course, you know, it is a coveted spot to win Dixville Notch's vote here. So they are right in being proud of it, but as I pointed out, Trump is beating Hillary right now in the polls that have been tallied on Election Day 2016 in New Hampshire right now.
HARLOW: Yeah, New Hampshire, again, a really important state for both of them this time around. It could go either way. Rachel, thank you very much. It is all been leading up to this. It is officially Election Day in America. Can you believe it? We'll have every race and every result. Stay with CNN until the last vote is cast. All-day live coverage today. Election in America, right here on CNN.
Coming up, Trump's campaign manager says he has six different paths to victory. We will take you to the states that could prove critical. Our Nick Valencia live for us tonight in Florida, next.
NICK VALENCIA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hey there, Poppy. Florida is perhaps the most critical of them all with a whopping 29 electoral votes hanging in the balance. I'm Nick Valencia in Tallahassee, Florida. Coming up after the break, we'll break down the historic vote turnout here in the State of Florida. You're watching CNN special election night coverage.
HARLOW: All right. Florida, the battleground jackpot that both candidates want and frankly need. When early voting closed in the Sunshine State, some pretty astonishing numbers came out. Florida's early vote total was higher than the entire voter turnout in Florida in the 2000 election. Sit with that number for a minute. Half of the state's registered voters have already weighed in. That is staggering. Easily smashing existing voting records. The turnout, pretty equal among democrats and republicans. Registered democrats cast 40 percent of the ballots, 38 percent were cast from republicans early. The rest, either claiming no party of supporting another candidate.
Our Nick Valencia is in the capital city of Tallahassee. And Nick, there was a huge surge in early voting, but it also appears to be historic surge for Hispanic voters, doesn't it?
VALENCIA: Oh, this is huge news, Poppy, for the Latino community. We have long expected the sleeping giant to make a difference. Historic voter turnout not just in Florida but really all across the country. But here in Florida, specifically, they could prove to be the most crucial part of the most critical swing state in the country. The Latino community is a little complex. The breakdown here, you have older Cubans who are more establishment republicans at odds with the younger Cubans who could very well still vote republican.
Adding to the complexities, you have thousands of newly arrived Puerto Ricans to the middle of the state that I-4 corridor, which is probably the most purple part of the state. Overall in Florida, you have a historic voter turnout. You mentioned, it has already eclipsed the number in 2000. But just putting into context, in the last 16 years, you have 3 million newly arrived residents. So, that has a lot to do with the Historic voter turnout. Both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump know the significance of this state. They've spent a lot of time here.
Sarasota, Florida rally less yesterday for Donald Trump. Hillary Clinton also here with her surrogate Vice President Joe Biden attacking the character of Donald Trump. Both candidates, Poppy, expect to win this critical state. Poppy?
HARLOW: Now, they both expect it, they both want it and they both need those 29 electoral votes. Nick, thank you so much.
Let's go to Pennsylvania. They are getting a lot of love in the Keystone State in this final day of the 2016 election. Both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump stumping there on election eve in full get- out-to-vote mode. There is no early voting in Pennsylvania, so locking in the 20 electoral votes there, all comes down to today. That is why they are both there today. Donald Trump packing an auditorium in Scranton, the home of Vice President Joe Biden.
Hillary Clinton working to shore up her blue wall in Philadelphia, bringing with her President Obama, First Lady Michelle Obama. Also, her husband, former President Bill Clinton to the stage. Her star power also included none other than Jon Bon Jovi and The Boss. Listen.
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BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN, AMERICAN MUSICIAN: Oh, Thunder Road. Oh, Thunder Road, Thunder Road, lying out there like a killer in the sun, and I know it's late, but we can make it if we run. Oh, Thunder Road -
(END VIDEO CLIP)
HARLOW: Let's go to Sara Sidner. She's live for us tonight in Philadelphia. I mean, where do I begin with those big name surrogates? Who do you think made the most impact tonight on the stage stumping for Clinton?
SARA SIDNER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: You know, it's hard to say, but every single time Michelle Obama speaks, she always seems to get the loudest cheers although her husband did pretty well tonight as well. Let's hear from Michelle Obama and really what you're hearing is her introducing herself to the crowd as if they needed it, but then it sounds like she's trying to hand the baton over to Hillary Clinton hoping that Hillary Clinton will walk in her husband's footsteps.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
MICHELLE OBAMA, UNITED STATES FIRST LADY: So, I am honored to be here on the stage on the eve of this historic moment. I'm also emotional because in many ways, speaking here tonight is -- perhaps, the last and most important thing that I can do for my country as first lady. And let me just take a moment to thank you, to thank the people of this country for giving our family the extraordinary honor of serving as your first family.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SIDNER: Huge cheers from the crowd, but of course, the Clinton campaign bringing out all the guns trying to make sure that people get to the polls. But Trump not far behind them. He was in Scranton and he has been going and burning the midnight oil to try and make sure that his message gets out even as we get into the last few hours before the election. Poppy.
HARLOW: You're right. Five states for Trump today alone, three for Clinton. Now, she's on the plane back to White Plains, New York. Trump heading back there as well. Tomorrow, it is in the voters' hands. Sara Sidner live for us in Philadelphia, thank you.
As you heard Sara say, the candidates burning the midnight oil, so are my brave panellists (INAUDIBLE) historian and professor at Princeton is with us tonight, Sally Kohn, a CNN political commentator and a Hillary Clinton supporter; and Andre Bauer, former lieutenant governor of South Carolina, a Donald Trump supporter; and CNN senior media correspondent Brian Stelter. Guys, thank you for being here.
BRIAN STELTER, CNN SENIOR MEDIA CORRESPONDENT: Good morning.
HARLOW: Andre, let me begin with you. Yeah, it is good morning, not good night. Good morning.
SALLY KOHN, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Good morning.
HARLOW: Five states, Trump's final blitz, five states. Florida, North Carolina, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Michigan, not Ohio. Here's the thing though, Ohio was a state that no republican has ever won the presidency without taking Ohio, do you think he feels comfortable there and that's why he made this choice?
ANDRE BAUER, FORMER LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR OF SOUTH CAROLINA AND TRUMP SUPPORTER: I don't think logistically he'd get another state in, or he'd been there, too.
HARLOW: He can be there right now.
BAUER: I think he ran out of daylight. He pushed it about as hard as he could. Now, I'm actually shocked by both of them, the schedule they've kept.
BAUER: I think I'm in pretty good shape, and I'm not sure I could have kept the schedule that they've kept for the last year.
HARLOW: Sally, Hillary Clinton did a radio interview a little bit earlier today. Here's what she said about whether or not she expects to speak with Donald Trump tonight? Listen.
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CLINTON: I will certainly expect to speak with him. I -- and I hope that he will, if I am successful, play a constructive role in doing just what I said, coming together, bringing people who supported him to the table.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
HARLOW: Sally, we know you want Clinton to win. Regardless of who wins tonight to be a fly on the wall, to be able to listen to that phone conversation, what do you hope it is like?
KOHN: Well, I have to tell you. I spent the last couple days -- I'm from Pennsylvania. I've spent the last couple of days around Philadelphia with my family, my daughter, we did some door knocking to, you know, get her involved in democracy and teach her what's at stake. She's a way bigger Hillary Clinton supporter from the get-go than I ever was. And mostly it was a tremendous, wonderful experience. People excited about voting.
Obviously voting - we're knocking to the campaign. So, we're knocking on democratic doors, but I have to tell you, the last day we were there, we were in Phoenixville, Pennsylvania, which is more of a purple area of the Philadelphia suburbs. And, you know, not - because we were --we were just going about knocking the doors we were told to knock. But we had about five or six Trump supporters approach us, approach our group with eight kids, about six adults, and you know, yell at us - yell at us about how can we support pro-abortion candidate.
[01:30:00]: She's a sinner, she's crooked, in front of our kids. And I have to tell you that having done this before in previous elections I've never seen that level of animosity, hostility, anger, vitriol.
HARLOW: You are hoping the conversation won't be like that. KOHN: I hope if -- if Donald Trump loses -- and by the way, it's
early days and I'm popping Xanax like crazy. It's the day, early hours. But if it does come to that and He if he is conceding I hope It's in a gracious way that says Look, some of the anger and foment that I contributed to I'm going the hear. I'm going to take a leadership responsibility and I'm going to put an end to that anger.
HARLOW: Julian, let's take a listen to the president tonight. We heard from the first lady. Let's listen to president Obama in Philadelphia.
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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I'm betting that men across this country will have no problem voting for the more qualified candidate, who happens to be a woman.
OBAMA: I'm betting that African-Americans will vote in big numbers because this journey we've been on was never about the color of a president but the content of his or her character.
OBAMA: I'm betting that America will reject a politics of resentment and a politics of blame and choose a politics that says we are stronger together.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
HARLOW: Taking a page from Martin Luther King Jr there. Julian, he has a 56 percent approval rating eight now, highest since 2012. Michelle Obama is very liked. How much do you think, if Clinton wins, the Obamas in this final push have moved the needle?
JULIAN ZELIZER, PROFESSOR OF HISTORY AND PUBLIC AFFAIRS, PRINCETON UNIVERSITY: Very important. Obviously, these final days as the polls have gotten narrower in many of the battleground states has turned to the issue of turnout. And Hillary Clinton has had some trouble with younger voters, with African-American voters, whereas I think President Obama brings a kind of fire power to the campaign trail.
HARLOW: 17 times he's campaigned for her.
ZELIZER: It's incredible.
HARLOW: It's unheard of.
ZELIZER: The closest we had was Reagan and Bush in 1988. Usually incumbent presidents are saddled with scandal baggage or they are unpopular like President Bush was in 2008, so they are away from the trail. It's not the case. It's almost as if he's running.
HARLOW: Aside from stumping until 1:00 in the morning the candidates are making their message heard in final ads. Brian, Clinton and Trump released these ads both two minutes long but
they are very different. Here's both of them.
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HILLARY CLINTON, (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Look, we all know we've come through some hard economic times and we've seen some pretty big changes but I believe in our people. I love this country and I'm convinced our best days are still ahead of us if we reach for them together.
DONALD TRUMP, (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIATE: The political establishment has brought about the destruction of our factories and our jobs as they flee to Mexico, to China, and other countries all around the world. The only thing that can stop this corruption machine is you.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
HARLOW: So overall, Brian, Clinton has had a more positive tone. Donald Trump's in the end. You saw a little bit of it there. But it does get a little bit more positive, a little more focused on progress and saying it's up to the voter.
What do you make of the two strategies?
BRIAN STELTER, CNN SENIOR MEDIA CORRESPONDENT & CNN HOST, RELIABLE SOURCES: Clinton has had so many negative ads using Trump's own words against him. By releasing this more positive ad tonight, a couple of hours ago, Clinton is trying to create a more positive energy and sort of a reconciliatory energy as well. Donald Trump says his last ad is positive. It's a bleak message about the political establishment and the global power structure. He is promising to take power back on behalf of the American people. He's taking his own speech, running it in these commercials.
Listening to the panel talking about the experience and the fear around the election, this has exposed uncomfortable truths about America. Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton did not create this polarization that we live in. They can choose to make it worse or better later today.
HARLOW: Julian, Sally, Brian, Andre, I see heads shaking. People want more time and they will get more time.
I got to get a break in here. You'll all be back with me.
Coming up for us, the entire world waiting for the outcome of America's election. Many people, especially in Mexico, where we find our Ed Lavandera this morning, in Mexico City.
[01:34:56] ED LAVANDERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: We are here in Mexico City at the base of the Angel of Independence Square. This is a place historically where Mexicans have come to gather and witness the most significant moments in this country's history and there is talk of people flooding the streets tomorrow night if Hillary Clinton wins. We'll have more on this coming up after the break.
HARLOW: Of course, the impact of this election will be global no matter who wins the White House, and you better believe that people around the world are watching very closely right now, especially in countries that frequently came up during this campaign season.
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TRUMP: From everything I see, has no respect for this person.
CLINTON: That's because he would rather have a puppet as President of the United States.
TRUMP: No puppet. No puppet.
That wall is getting taller with every interview that these ex- Mexican-presidents do.
TRUMP: Getting taller, taller.
TRUMP: It's getting up there. I'll tell you what.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
[01:40:08] HARLOW: With me live tonight in Mexico City, CNN's Ed Lavender. And CNN senior international correspondent, Matthew Chance, is live for us in Moscow where it is 9:40 in the morning.
Ed, in Mexico, frankly, you have to look no further than the currency, the Peso, to see how Anxious people are about this election.
LAVANDERA: No kidding. From rich to poor in this country, many people paying very close attention for that very reason. There has been a great deal of fluctuation of the value of the Peso versus the U.S. dollar. And all of that has been very much connect to Donald Trump in this election. In fact, on Sunday, when the FBI announced it would not be pursuing Hillary Clinton, the Peso jumped nearly 2 percent in the aftermath. But despite all of that, the economic concerns of what it means, when you talk to people on the streets of this city, over and over and over, to a person, everyone says they have been severely insulted by what they view as racist and xenophobic speech from Donald Trump. In many ways, they view that he catapulted himself to the top of the field by maligning and disparaging Mexican immigrants and the Mexican country. A lot of anger towards Donald Trump here in this country because of that - Poppy?
HARLOW: We'll be watching what the reaction is as the numbers come in here on Election Day in America.
Thank you very much, Ed Lavandera, in Mexico City. Let's go to Moscow.
Matthew, walk us through the sentiment of the Russian people on the eve of the election, especially given the tension, in just the last few weeks, really, increasing between the White House and the Kremlin. The White House pointing the finger at Putin saying you meddled in this election.
MATTHEW CHANCE, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: It's extraordinary, the extent to which Russia has become a campaign issue in this presidential race over hacking, over various other issue as well. The links with Donald Trump and Russia, allegedly.
Look, the Kremlin, officially, its position is they don't have skin in the game. But if you watch state media controlled by the Kremlin, you get a message that there is one candidate they prefer over the other, and it's quite clearly Donald Trump. They see him as somebody who shares a Russian world view on various issues, about NATO, for instance, and about Syria and support for Bashar al Assad there. And the Kremlin-controlled media has taken a one-sided approach to covering this U.S. election. And that's filtered down to ordinary people as well and their favorite candidate, of course, as a result of that, is Donald Trump.
HARLOW: We'll watch what the reaction there as well after the votes are tallied here.
Thank you, Matthew Chance, in Moscow.
Right now, U.S. security teams are watching for signs that Russia or any other foreign actor or hackers might try to interfere with Election Day through cyberattacks. Sources tell CNN, right now, there are no known threats that would likely effect voting or the vote count.
Let's talk about it with Congressman Adam Schiff from California, the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee.
Thank you for joining me.
REP. ADAM SCHIFF, (D), CALIFORNIA: It's good to be with you.
HARLOW: Let's talk about this first. You told my colleague, Jake Tapper, this week that Russia is capable of, quote, "Doing damage in this election."
In the last 24 hours, have you heard of any credible cyberthreats targeting the election in any way, voter registration, location, anything that could affect the outcome of this election?
SCHIFF: I haven't heard anything in the last 24 hours. But the reality is we have seen Russian meddling in the election for months now. It takes no leap of faith to know they could continue to interfere and will likely continue to interfere. It may not be on Election Day. But I think we can expect that whoever wins the election, they're going to continue to hack and dump information if they think they can weaken the U.S. president. So unfortunately, unless we can establish a strong deterrent, we're likely to see more of this from Russia.
We appear to have dodged a bullet, and that is one of the things that really concerned me, is that Russia would start doing what they do in Europe, and that is not only hack and dumping documents but massively forging information. That would have been very difficult to prove a forgery in the last few days of the campaign. We may have dodged that bullet but I think we are likely to see continued malevolence from Russia in the cyber arena.
[01:44:58] HARLOW: Here is a common refrain that we've heard throughout the election from Donald Trump on the campaign trail. Listen.
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TRUMP: It's a rigged system, folks.
It's a crooked system.
The issue of voter fraud.
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HARLOW: Do you believe that Russia and Vladimir Putin have already scored a victory in this election really before a single vote is counted, at least some of the early votes are in, but by making Americans -- contributing to Americans' feeling less confident in the system?
SCHIFF: I certainly think they have, in part, achieved that objective by giving Americans less confidence in the result by sowing discord and turning one against the other. I think it's important for the American people to know that part of the reason they have been able do this is that they have had a willing party in Donald Trump. If we had a far more typical election, where the Republican standard bearer shared the same views of concern about the adversarial nature of the Russian government, the authoritarian nature of that government, and spoke out against the Russian hacking rather than inviting further hacking, then it would be much more difficult for the Russians. If you didn't have someone saying the election is rigged and all this kind of thing that has so played into Russian hands it has amplified the mischief the Russians wanted to create.
HARLOW: So as you know, Congressman, the way that Donald Trump puts it, in response to what you are arguing, he says wouldn't it be a good thing if the United States got along with Russia, if there was a stronger relationship between the White House and Kremlin. He says that would be more protective than what he says is a failed Russian reset by Hillary Clinton when she was secretary of state. Your response to that? SCHIFF: My response is, would it be nice? Sure. But that is fantasy land. This is someone who has invaded his neighbor, seized Crimea. Does Donald Trump expect if he says something nice to Vladimir Putin he's going to leave Ukraine? I don't think so. Does that mean Russia is going to stop bombing civilians in Aleppo? I don't think that's going to happen. Is he going to stop buzzing our allied and NATO aircraft in Eastern European? I don't think that will happen, or in the Baltics. So we have tried to establish a relationship. They're not interested. And part of what Putin believes is that to drive up his popularity domestically he needs a bad guy to be against and the United States is that bad guy. And Trump is naive to think that a few kind words on his part is going to change that. I don't think any commander-in-chief should be prepared to recognize Russia's illegal annexation of Crimea.
HARLOW: Russia and Putin have plenty of problems domestically, including with the economy and what that means for its citizens.
Before I let you go, the White House has vowed that the U.S. will respond to Russian hacks. But they haven't made clear how they will do that or when. You said unless Russia pays, a high price they will continue to meddle in U.S. affairs. From where you sit on the Intelligence Committee, what should that retaliation look like? Sanctions? A counter hack? What would be most effective? What would Putin listen to?
SCHIFF: Well, I think what would most get the Kremlin's attention is if we can work with countries in Europe that have been subject to similar meddling and we impose additional sanctions on Russia. Their economy really is their weakest point. And just discussion of sanctions sets Putin off. They are sensitive to any additional economic pain. And I would couple that with a cyber response so Putin understands - and it doesn't have to be something that's made public - but understands he is vulnerable, too. This is no free lunch for the Kremlin. If they are going to meddle this way they can be exposed in ways that would be hurtful for Putin and his political standing.
SCHIFF: So I think both in an overt way and a covert way we should respond.
HARLOW: Congressman Adam Schiff, I'm out of time but thank you for being with me tonight.
SCHIFF: Pleasure. Thank you.
HARLOW: It is Election Day. 1:40 in the morning on Election Day. You're excited. You can't sleep. We're not sleeping. Why bother trying to sleep. Stay right here. Coming up in our live special election coverage, this.
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TRUMP: I am going to be the greatest jobs president that God ever created. (CHEERING)
CLINTON: There's only one of us on this stage who has actually shipped jobs to Mexico because that's Donald.
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[01:49:58] HARLOW: Taxes, jobs, health care, "Your Money, Your Vote," the economy is issue number one among voters. Famed economist, Ben Stein, staying up late with us. He joins me next.
HARLOW: Speaking of the stock market, the Dow soared 371 points Monday, the biggest gain since January. This, after James Comey once again cleared Hillary Clinton in the e-mail investigation. The markets read that as favorable for Clinton's run. Stocks jumped on the news. Why? The markets are not in love with Hillary Clinton but they hate uncertainty, and Trump is more of an unknown and he comes with unpredictability on big issues like trade.
Meantime, Citigroup out with a report saying that the S&P 500 could fall 3 to 5 percent if Trump wins. And today, Deutsche Bank said European stocks could plummet as much as 10 percent if Trump wins.
Joining me is famed economist, Ben Stein, a conservative, I should note, who is not supporting Donald Trump; and also CNN political commentator, Lanhee Chen, former public policy advisor to Mitt Romney, and a Republican who is not supporting Trump.
OK, guys, to you both, Ben, are these predictions too dire? I mean, the U.S. economy has been through a lot. Dare I say the fundamentals of the economy are strong. Can I say that? But are these predictions too dire?
[01:55:06] BEN STEIN, ECONOMIST, ATTORNEY & ACTOR: Way too dire. The economy is extremely strong. And Citigroup does not have a great crystal ball for picking the future of stock market. It is extremely difficult. Mr. Trump's claim that he will be the greatest creator of jobs Is just nonsense. There is nothing in his proposals that would lead anyone to believe that and there is -- nobody believes that. That is just nonsense but god Bless him anyway. But the economy is quite strong. The big problem with the economy at this point is that we have a large number of people who dropped out of the labor force. Neither candidate has any idea how to get them back in.
HARLOW: That's a big problem, Lanhee. When you talk about the strong jobs report on friday, 4.9 percent unemployment and 161,000 jobs added last month. Those are good numbers. But Ben makes the exact important point that those numbers don't count the people the most in need, the ones who have given up looking. They are not counted in this. When you look at the reality of the situation, how helpful is a report like this for Clinton?
LANHEE CHEN, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: It's helpful in the way that it is covered to suggest that the economy and labor markets are doing well. The bigger concern is you have people who have dropped out of the labor force and you have people in part-time work but want full- time work. The measure of how the economy is doing in terms of how the labor market may be doing may not be as rosy. I think the bigger issue going forward is you've two candidates, both of whom have put out policies that could be problematic from a growth perspective. On the Trump end, you have policies that could be problematic to restrict immigration and trade. And on the Clinton side, it's unclear whether she would in fact address issues around the national debt. And the debt load going forward causes problems for growth as well.
HARLOW: But when you look at what the Tax Policy Center has said in their analysis of the two candidates' tax plans, they actually say, Ben Stein, that Hillary Clinton's plan, when it comes to taxes, would reduce the national debt by $5.4 trillion in 20 years. Trump's would add $20 trillion over 20 years. Look, you're a conservative.
HARLOW: Do you like anything about Trump's tax plan more than Clinton's?
STEIN: Yes, I do. I like the idea of reducing the corporate tax. There should be any corporate tax at all. Tax the owners not at the corporate level. And I like the idea of repealing or lowering the estate tax. But on a more serious note I don't think there is anything going on in Trump's tax plan whatsoever that is going to lead to a growth in jobs. I'm sure he wants a big growth in jobs. Nothing is going on that is going on that will do that. And nothing going on in Mrs. Clinton's tax plan to lead to a growth in jobs. We seem to be on the cusp of the recession right now. We have a gigantic fall in freight movement, which is a worrisome sign. I'd like to see somebody address the possibility of what we're going to do if there is a recession.
HARLOW: It's an important point, Lanhee. This has been a long bull run for the markets. We're seven years in this bull run. If history is an indicator, then Ben Stein is right we are on the cusp of another recession.
CHEN: I don't think either candidate has come out to address that issue. It seems pretty clear that Hillary Clinton would pursue fiscal stimulus similar to the first year of President Obama's term. Donald Trump, it's unclear what he would do. A lot of his policy has been kind of fuzzy. But I think the economy is -- while it's done better over the last several quarters, I do think it is in a fragile state going forward. And this is something unquestionably something the next president will deal with.
HARLOW: Ben Stein, do you believe that this election, regardless of which candidate wins, has been the death knell for the big global trade agreements? Donald Trump says he would rip up NAFTA, which he could do as president. Hillary Clinton liked TPP until she didn't anymore and it wasn't the gold standard any more, and she was pushed a lot by the left, and she says it was when she read the final draft. Regardless of who is in the White House, is this the end of big global trade agreements in the near term? STEIN: I think in the near term, yes. But I think the odds of Mr.
Trump being elected are extremely slim, slim to none. So I don't think we have to worry about that. I think that Mrs. Clinton believes in free trade in her heart. And when she's the boss, she's going to make sure we continue with free trade.