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Florence Henderson Dead at 82; Bargain Hunters Get Jump on Black Friday Deals; Trump Team Appears Split on Secretary of State. Aired 6-6:30a ET
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ANNOUNCER: This is CNN breaking news.
[05:58:16] JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning. It is Friday, November 25, 6 a.m. in the east. Welcome to this special holiday edition of NEW DAY. I'm John Berman alongside Brooke Baldwin.
BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: Hello. Good morning.
BERMAN: We do begin with some breaking news and sad news, really, for all of us who did nothing but watch TV in the '70s and '80s. It really does feel like we lost a member of the family this morning.
Florence Henderson, who played Carol Brady in "The Brady Bunch," she has died.
BALDWIN: We did watch a lot of TV in the -- well, some of us were born in the later '70s but also the '80s, of course "The Brady Bunch." The beloved 82-year-old actress of screen and stage died suddenly in Los Angeles overnight.
Celebrities, fans all reacting this morning to the shocking news of her death. We'll begin with Boris Sanchez here in New York with a look at her life and storied career.
I had no idea just even her career on stage.
BORIS SANCHEZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes.
BALDWIN: Before TV.
SANCHEZ: Yes, she got her first big break on Broadway.
And you said it, John, it feels like our mom passed away, America's mom passed away. Her manager says this was very unexpected. She passed away at Cedars Sinai Hospital in Los Angeles from heart failure, surrounded by her four children.
We let her into our homes; we let her into our lives, and now she's in a better place.
(MUSIC: "BRADY BUNCH" THEME)
SANCHEZ (voice-over): Florence Henderson captured hearts across America as one of the most beloved TV moms, Carol Brady.
FLORENCE HENDERSON, ACTRESS: You'll find out.
Good luck on your debate today, Jan.
EVE PLUMB, ACTRESS: Thank you. Do I look OK today, mom?
HENDERSON: Oh, sweetheart, you look lovely. Now don't be nervous about a thing.
SANCHEZ: Starring as the matriarch of a blended family, her career would forever be defined by her character on the 1970s sitcom, "The Brady Bunch."
HENDERSON: I created the kind of mother that I wished I'd had and I think that everyone longs for.
SANCHEZ: Taking on the role was something Henderson embraced.
HENDERSON: I get so much fan mail from all over the world, and everybody wants a hug from me.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, yes.
HENDERSON: And I hug everybody.
SANCHEZ: And in the decades following the show, Henderson never shied away from the limelight, returning to her iconic Carol Brady for multiple spinoffs of "The Brady Bunch."
But even before she became a Brady, Henderson seemed destined for show business.
HENDERSON: I don't ever remember not singing, and I would sing and pass the hat, and I'd sing for groceries.
SANCHEZ: Henderson's career took off at the age of 19 on Broadway when she landed a leading role in "Oklahoma" in 1951.
SANCHEZ: Becoming a bona fide star on stage, her TV career progressed, as she became NBC's "Today" girl in 1959, and she broke barriers as the first woman to guest host "The Tonight Show" for Johnny Carson in 1962.
Henderson earned her star on the Hollywood Walk Of Fame in 1996. And recently danced her way back into the spotlight on "Dancing with the Stars."
Henderson is survived by her four children. She will be remembered most as America's favorite mom.
HENDERSON (singing): I want to be loved by you, just you and nobody else but you. I want to be loved by you alone. (END VIDEOTAPE)
SANCHEZ: "Variety" is reporting that Florence Henderson was actually at "Dancing with the Stars" on Wednesday night, supporting Maureen McCormick, who of course played Marcia on "The Brady Bunch."
Maureen actually tweeted out a message to Florence Henderson, saying Florence "was a dear friend for so many years and in my heart forever. Love and hugs to her family. I'll miss you dearly."
Tom Bergeron also sending out a tweet. There's a picture of Maureen McCormick and Florence Henderson she tweeted out. And Tom Bergeron sent out this tweet, saying, "Heartbroken. I'll miss you, my friend."
One thing that stands out, when you hear her talk, saying that, you know, she was -- she played the mother that she wanted to be, that she wanted to have, rather. She had a very difficult childhood. She was a child with a single parent who had to deal with alcoholism. So in many ways, she not only played the played the mom that she wanted; she played the mom that we all wanted.
BERMAN: That's really sweet.
BERMAN: Boris, thanks so much.
Joining us by phone right now, CNN contributor, "Entertainment Tonight" host, our friend Nischelle turner. Nischelle, thanks so much for being with us this morning.
NISCHELLE TURNER, CNN CONTRIBUTOR (via phone): Sure.
BERMAN: You know, look, I was born in 1972 and in the late '70s and '80s, every day when I got home from school, for like...
BALDWIN: You'd turn on "The Brady Bunch."
BERMAN: ... years, I would watch hours and hours of "The Brady Bunch."
TURNER: Of course.
BERMAN: And there was just something so comforting about Carol Brady, Florence Henderson. You know, and she was joking -- you heard that clip in the piece -- she said, "Everyone always asks me for a hug, so I gave everyone a hug."
TURNER: It's interesting, because I actually just hugged her a couple months ago was the last time I interviewed her. So yes, she does feel like America's mom. And we always joked over at "Entertainment Tonight," because the original Brady house is not far from our studio. We always joke about that, that we can, you know, just hop over to the Brady house.
But you guys were talking about Maureen McCormick, you know, tweeting out her condolences and also a picture of the two of them. You know, the last time I spoke with Florence Henderson was just a couple months ago right after she was with "Dancing with the Stars" supporting Maureen. They had a real moment after Maureen danced, where they both got very emotional and teary with each other, and I asked Florence about that. I asked why it affected her so much.
She said, "Because Maureen still feels like my daughter. I think of her as my daughter."
And Maureen told me, "I feel like she's my mother."
You know, she really kind of brought joy to everyone that she was around. And the cast of "Dancing with the Stars" talked about it a lot when she competed on the show. She was a favorite. She was a fan favorite, but she was a show favorite, because she just brought joy to everyone.
And I know that her -- her manager was saying that she wasn't sick. So this was very sudden, and it was very shocking. A lot of people are going to be extremely shocked when they wake up this morning and hear this news.
BALDWIN: You know, we all -- and we could sing every word of this, right, theme song of "The Brady Bunch."
TURNER: Of course.
BALDWIN: But I think, in reading about her this morning, what I hadn't realized is that, you know, she was so, so young when she started all of this, when she started acting, going to school here in New York, eventually landing, you know, one line in this play called "Wish You Were Here," and Rodgers and Hammerstein were so impressed they then gave her the lead role in "Oklahoma."
TURNER: In "Oklahoma," exactly. Absolutely. You know, and we do think of her as Carol Brady, but just as Boris was running down her accomplishments. I mean, when you listen to her career and you see her resume, you realize how accomplished she really was on the stage and on the screen.
You know, she did play Carol Brady from 1974, when the show ran, but then she also came back when we brought the Bradys back. Because we loved them so much, we kept bringing them back on television, in '77 and then again in '81 when we had "The Brady Brides," and she kept coming back for that. She also played the grandmother during "The Brady Movie." I think that was in '95 or '96.
So yes, she really did do a lot, you know, for the entire run of her career, which was decades long. And we should say, you know, she was 82, but we should say 82 years young. Because if you ever met her and you were ever in her presence, she just was infectious, and she was very young feeling. So, she will definitely be missed.
BERMAN: And we saw those clips of her performing in "Dancing with the Stars," you know, recently. She has an incredible -- had an incredible amount of talent. BALDWIN: Yes.
BERMAN: Right? You know, let's play the clip, again, of her singing on "The Brady Bunch."
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
HENDERSON: I want to be loved by you, just you and nobody else but you. I want to be loved by you alone.
ANN B. DAVIS, ACTRESS: Boo-boo-be-doop.
Pardon my "Boop." I just got carried away.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BALDWIN: Oh, Alice.
BERMAN: Ann B. Davis just died in the last couple years ago.
But again, Nischelle, you know, so talented on stage and screen, even if she is best remembered for that one role.
TURNER: Absolutely. I mean, and like we said, when everyone wakes up this morning, that is what they will remember. They will be singing the theme song in their head and replaying things like that. I remember when I spoke with Maureen just a couple months ago about Florence and her relationship; and she was talking about how they really kind of started bringing her out of her shell,, because when they would perform on "The Brady Bunch" she had no idea she could dance or sing a little bit and it really was one of the most special moments of her life. And I think that Florence was the driving force in a lot of that, because she did have this immense talent that, you know, she spread throughout that cast.
But, just once again, it will be shocking news when people wake up this morning. And we're all just going to mourn her and smile a little bit. I know when you guys were playing those clips, it's a very sad thing.
TURNER: But it just made me smile a little bit, and that is what she did. You know, being America's favorite mom.
BALDWIN: We will celebrate her throughout the morning on the show. Nischelle Turner, thank you so much for picking up the phone. Florence Henderson, 82 years young.
BERMAN: Nischelle is right. I mean, you can't watch those clips. You know, obviously mourning the loss of Florence Henderson, but you're watching those clips, and I just can't help but smile because it's so -- you know, it's hokey, but it's really sweet.
BALDWIN: It is. BERMAN: All right. Bargain hunters getting an early start on Black
Friday deals. A lot of stores opened their doors on Thanksgiving day or overnight. CNN's Alison Kosik, she is outside a Target store in Jersey City, New Jersey.
Alison, what does it look like so far, 6:07 a.m.?
ALISON KOSIK, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, John.
I am not outside the Target. I am inside showing you what's being offered here. Check this out: a slew of TVs. But hey, only 63 left of these 4K, 43-inch TVs. No, I'm not a salesperson. But here's the thing. Last night after everybody ate their turkey, after they eat their -- ate their pumpkin pie, they came here to Target. Hundreds of people waiting in line and, you know what they really, really wanted? They wanted the 50-inch 4K TV. That thing sold out.
Not just that. But a ginormous teddy bear, as well.
They felt it was worth it, because Black Friday, not just a shopping thing; it's also a holiday thing.
KOSIK (voice-over): This year's Black Friday frenzy kicking off with hundreds jamming the streets outside Macy's flagship store in New York City. Early bird shoppers taking over entire departments in search of steep discounts. It's that time of year when all-out chaos ensues over jumbo-sized TVs and shoppers battle it out over who gets the biggest deals.
This excited crowd caught clamoring over electronics at a Wal-Mart in Columbus, Mississippi, even though Wal-Mart is trying to reduce the brawls by handing out wristbands to a limited number of customers for hot items and increasing staffing.
Still, across the country, retailers are welcoming the long lines, ushering in eager bargain hunters. And customers are braving inclement weather. Shoppers at this Best Buy in Portland standing in the rain for hours.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm soaking wet, and I'm still here.
KOSIK: Forgoing Thanksgiving dinner to flood the aisles in search of big-ticket items, ready with cash in hand.
The National Retail Federation says holiday sales this year are expected to top $650 billion, a 3.6 percent increase from 2015. And on Cyber Monday, at least 36 percent of consumers plan to nab their deals online.
[06:10:07] KOSIK: And speaking of online, that is part of the reason why you're seeing it kind of quiet here on this Black Friday morning. Crowds are expected to rush in, but it's because the doors opened so early. This Target has been open since 6 p.m. last night. That's, once again, after everybody finished eating.
And I want to show you just how much the line -- how far the lines went. Right down there. This was crowded with people. Everybody waiting in line for those door busters.
So, you know, there's always hope for online, but there's also some analysts who say, listen, of the shoppers who are expected to get out and actually shop today, 81 percent of shoppers overall are expected to actually come into stores -- Brooke.
BALDWIN: That is incredible that it was open 6 p.m. I heard that right, right? Six p.m.
BERMAN: Six p.m.
BALDWIN: And it's still open.
OK. Joining us -- thank you, Alison.
KOSIK: Yes, 6 p.m.
BALDWIN: We'll check in with you through the morning. Consumer spending analyst for H-Squared, Hitha Herzog is with us. Also CNN chief business correspondent and anchor of CNN's "EARLY START," Christine Romans. The ladies in red. Good morning. Happy day after Thanksgiving, happy Black Friday.
Hitha, just first to you, you know, granted, people had been shopping, you know, yesterday. But is Black Friday as big of a thing as it has been in years past? Do people rush the stores?
HITHA HERZOG, CONSUMER SPENDING ANALYST: Well, it's interesting, because I was actually out there as of a couple hours ago...
BALDWIN: You were.
HERZOG: ... at that Target and kind of seeing that the traffic dissipate as of 12 a.m. So, people weren't really out there full force really late in the evening. And part of the reason why is because people are going online.
So, PayPal came out with a study that said people started shopping for Black Friday as of September 30.
HERZOG: So people had been going out there, you know -- it's called -- it's called Christmas creep. And we're not talking about the creepy relative that comes over here.
BALDWIN: That's later.
HERZOG: It's for people that come over and start shopping earlier and earlier.
BERMAN: Everyone always complains about hearing the Christmas music in September, but there's a reason for it.
HERZOG: There's a reason. Right, exactly.
BERMAN: Are there any deals at this point?
CHRISTINE ROMANS, CNN CHIEF BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: There are some deals at this point, but they're deals that will be better later in the season. I mean, apparel, for example, that could be later in the season. Jewelry could be later in the season.
But there's some really good deals today in terms of electronics. We've already seen really good deals of Samsung 4K TVs. Those have
been good deals. The top selling item so far in November. IPads, MacBooks, Kindles. There's some really great deals on Kindles today. Electric scooters, apparently, and LEGO sets. These are the things that you're seeing, kind of...
ROMANS: I know, LEGO sets. That's my own personal to-do list.
But, you know, the Amazon Black Friday, online store started the first week in November. So Black Friday used to be the day when the retailers turned black for the year, meaning turned positive for the year. Then everything after that was a profit. But now, it's kind of like Black Friday is just an after thing.
BALDWIN: It's like Black Friday-ish. It's all stretched out. So I mean, I'm wondering, since everybody shops online now, and we talked then about Cyber Monday, is today...
ROMANS: Cyber Monday starts Saturday, by the way.
BALDWIN: I'm so confused!
ROMANS: Cyber Monday starts tomorrow.
HERZOG: What these retailers are trying to do is go up against the Amazon juggernaut. So they are trying to get their sales started earlier and earlier. Because as we know, Amazon is open 24/7, and they're able to price out products at various parts of during the year. So, you may be getting a discount on something that is, quote, a "Black Friday price" sometime in August or September, so that's why you're seeing these deals start earlier and earlier.
ROMANS: I think it's good actually. I think the consumer has more information and more leverage than ever before because you walk into a store today. You know, when I -- Black Friday in my family was always tradition. After Thanksgiving we would go shopping together. My mom, my grandma, my sisters, my nieces and my cousins.
BALDWIN: That was a big car.
ROMANS: Yes, I know. You didn't know. You didn't have all the information. Now you can walk in somewhere and be like, "Oh, I can get that online for 10 percent off." BERMAN: But you need to be careful, right? I mean, the consumer here
is really the target.
ROMANS: No, you think you're out on the hunt for a bargain. You are being hunted. The entire retail industry is designed to get you to spend more money than you wanted to. And they're out there to try to get you to open store cards. Please don't. It's a temptation you don't need. It can ding your credit.
ROMANS: Right. Don't get a store card.
HERZOG: You wanted to make sure that security is the most important, too. You want to make sure that you are, you know, you're buying, especially if you're buying online, you want to make sure that you're going through reputable sites. If something looks like...
ROMANS: Stocking fees. Be careful for stocking fees and stuff like that.
HERZOG: ... that is -- that's a good discount that seems too good to be true, it probably is.
You want to stick to websites that are, you know -- the Wal-Mart.com, Target.com. You're not going to get a better discount just because you're going on something that, you know, is DoubleDiscounts.com. You know?
ROMANS: Don't be fooled.
HERZOG: Yes, because they might not even send you your merchandise.
BALDWIN: So -- which would be no fun. Last question, you ran through some of the discounts. If I decide to buy one thing today.
BERMAN: For me.
BALDWIN: For Berman.
ROMANS: I think the door busters are going to be women's shoes and boots.
BALDWIN: Speaking my language.
ROMANS: Nineteen ninety-nine. So they have found -- there was a great piece in the "Journal," I think a couple days ago, that the stores seem to think that they're talking to us. If they can get us in there with cheap shoes and boots.
Now, the question is, they have, they have -- they have end caps, and they have all these other things to try to get you to spend more money than you wanted to. So get your cheap shoes and boots and then walk out.
HERZOG: Yes, I saw electronics in Wal-Mart and Target. So if you go out there and you're buying for Mr. Berman over here, go do some electronics. [06:15:00] BERMAN: I'm not going to be typecast. I'm not going to --
I'm not going to be put in a box here.
BALDWIN: You like the women's shoes.
ROMANS: Don't put Berman in a box.
BERMAN: That's right.
BALDWIN: OK. Meantime, let's move on. Mitt Romney is considered Donald Trump's favorite...
BERMAN: Speaking of women's shoes and boots...
BALDWIN: Speaking of -- It's early. We ate a lot yesterday.
Mitt Romney, favored to be Donald Trump's favorite to become his secretary of state. But one of Trump's top advisors stirring things up, insisting loyalty matters. Is team Trump split between the top two contenders? Next on NEW DAY.
I -- three more hours of this?
BERMAN: With President-elect Donald Trump focused on filling out his cabinet, there is an unprecedented battle brewing for the biggest spot, complete with negative campaigning. And now top aide Kellyanne Conway stirring the pot publicly on social media.
CNN national correspondent Jason Carroll, he is live just outside the Trump estate in Palm Beach, Florida. Jason, what are you learning?
JASON CARROLL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, good morning to you, John.
It seems to be team Romney -- Romney versus team Giuliani. Both men lobbying for the position of secretary of state behind the scenes. And what seems to be happening is there's still a number of people who are still upset with Romney over all of that harsh criticism that he had towards Trump during the primary, during the election. You'll remember, Romney was the one who had said that a Trump presidency might lead to trickle-down racism.
Well, Kellyanne Conway weighing in on some of these discussions, tweeting out the following yesterday: "Receiving a deluge of social media and private communication regarding Romney. Some Trump loyalists warn against Romney as secretary of state." Conway basically saying that what she is doing is she was just talking about something publicly that she was advising privately to both Trump and Mike Pence.
Meanwhile, Trump, who was supposed to have a down day yesterday for the holiday, says he's having somewhat of a working vacation. He says he's trying to save U.S. jobs, keeping them in the U.S., especially targeting a U.S. company called Carrier Air Conditioning, saying he's trying to encourage them to keep jobs here in the United States -- John.
BERMAN: All right. Jason Carroll for us in Palm Beach. Nice to see you, Jason.
Want to discuss this further with CNN political commentator and political anchor for Spectrum News, Errol Louis; and CNN political analyst Josh Rogan.
Errol, we saw that one tweet from Kellyanne Conway, but there were more in this public campaign. She also wrote, "Kissinger and Shultz as secs of state flew around the world less, counseled POTUS close to home more and were loyal." And were loyal. You know, we should put the "loyal" word there in bold. Good checklist.
I have never seen anything like this. This public campaign now from people loyal, really, to Rudy Giuliani against the idea of Mitt Romney being secretary of state. It's really something to see.
ERROL LOUIS, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: You know, I'm not even sure so much if this pro-Rudy Giuliani so much as it's part of a faction fight that's been going on in the Republican Party since the 2012 election.
I mean, there are some people and, frankly, Kellyanne Conway has advised some of these people, in the wing of the party that were not just disenchanted with Mitt Romney but didn't like anything that he stood for. They thought that he had the wrong policies. They thought he had the wrong style. They thought he wasn't the right kind of candidate to try and build the party that they wanted to see that's more sort of tilted toward the working class.
And so to see him after that, plus that barn burner of a speech that he gave in March back in Salt Lake City, where he absolutely just tore down -- tore down Donald Trump, to see that rewarded really just defends everything that's going on.
I think what's really important, though, and kind of interesting is that they're continuing something that we saw during the campaign from time to time, which is fighting in public to try and get the attention of the candidate and now the president-elect.
BERMAN: Because he watches TV.
BALDWIN: That's what I wanted to get to. It's not only on Twitter. We know, you know, what he watches, who he's watching. You have the Mike Huckabees, the Newt Gingriches taking to TV, others taking to TV, Josh Rogan, to try to break through to the president-elect, who's sitting there at Mar-a-Lago, you know, the question is, ultimately, who does he listen to?
JOSH ROGAN, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Right. I think -- I've heard from multiple sources that Trump is actually watching the news coverage, reading the clips, watching the shows. He wants his picks to be popular. He wants people to look at his cabinet and be like, "Oh, this is great. Trump's doing a great job." OK? So he really does care. So what they're trying to do is make each of these guys as unacceptable as possible to prevent Trump from picking them.
But I think what Errol said was right. What we're seeing is a playing out of D.C. versus the Tower in New York. The D.C. people want Romney, and the Tower people want to punish anyone who was "never Trump." They think, once Romney gets in, all the "never Trumpers" are going to get in and, by the way, they all happen to be foreign policy wonks, and they all signed all of those letters. And they won't -- they don't really want to work for President Trump, but they will work for Secretary of State Romney. So we'll open up the flood gates.
So the question really is, does Donald Trump really want to exert revenge? Or does he want to build the big tent? I think he really doesn't know. I think he's trying to figure this out.
BERMAN: A few interesting things about this. No. 1, it appears to be Donald Trump himself who has at least begun, you know, the Romney boomlet by having Mitt Romney in and claiming it was a good meeting. Clearly within Trump, world Trump, at least, was at last a little bit open to the idea of Mitt Romney.
No. 2, our friend Maggie Haberman reporting that Rudy Giuliani is not happy right now about this sort of public vetting process that's going on.
And then, Josh, No. 3, you know, if not Mitt Romney, if not Rudy Giuliani, who? Does this mean a guy like David Petraeus may sneak in the back door?
ROGAN: Yes. So OK, from what I hear from transition sources there's that -- there's a big camp in D.C. for Mitt Romney; there's a camp in the Tower in New York for Rudy Giuliani. There's a smaller camp in D.C. for John Bolton. And if all of those three are deemed to be unacceptable, they can't reach a consensus, they're all tarred in some way, then they go to David Petraeus, who very publicly threw his hat in the ring with an interview with the BBC earlier this week.
And the question then is, well, didn't David Petraeus get convicted for mishandling classified information? And the response I got from the Trump transition people is, yes, but Donald Trump defended him on the campaign trail, said that what he did wasn't as bad as what Hillary Clinton did. So they'll just point back to that and say, "See? Donald Trump was on David Petraeus's side the whole time." So he's the dark horse, and it could happen.
[06:25:02] BALDWIN: Let's move on to money, shall we? And when you sort of add all these pennies, nickels and dimes and billions with all of these potential picks within the Trump cabinet, it apparently gets you at over $30 billion. We can throw the pictures up of some of these individuals he's considering choosing, adding to his cabinet.
And, Errol, you know, this is clearly Trump's network. But the question to me is, did they have the policy? They've got the money. Do they have the policy chops?
LOUIS: Well, it depends on who you're talking about. I mean, you know, some people like Senator Sessions clearly used to work in the Justice Department, understands how it works, has a wealth of experience. No question about that.
Somebody like Dr. Ben Carson, not so clear. Not just because he hasn't been in the world of housing and housing development. He's being considered for Housing and Urban Development. But because he hasn't run anything as big as a big federal cabinet. And, apparently, his spokesman even said the other day he's not clear whether or not he can run something this big. So that might be a qualification question.
But you know, look, it's a combination of loyalty to the president; effectiveness in dealing with the various constituents, and that sometimes means the governors, that means Capitol Hill; and then just raw executive ability. Those are really your three characteristics you have to look at.
BERMAN: It's what Trump ran on, too. You know, billionaires and generals is something that sort of fits the mold that Donald Trump is trying to set. We'll talk more about this as the show goes on. Guys, thanks so much for being with us.
We have some tragic news this morning from the Middle East. A U.S. service member has been killed in Syria. This is the first U.S. casualty in that country. The first U.S. death in that country in the fight against ISIS. We're going to tell you what happened, next on NEW DAY.