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Possible U.S. Foreign Policy Toward Russia Examined; Congressman John Lewis States Donald Trump's Presidency is Not Legitimate; Some Congress Members Announce They Will not Attend Donald Trump's Inauguration Ceremony; Criticisms of FBI Director James Comey Mount; Missing Child Found 18 Years Later; Gretchen Carlson Discusses Future Career Possibilities. Aired 2-3p ET

Aired January 14, 2017 - 14:00   ET


[14:00:00] JILL DOUGHERTY, GLOBAL FELLOW, WOODROW WILSON CENTER: -- although, again, this is very imprecise terminology, doing good things or helping out, whatever. That's not really policy. So I think what he's saying is a lot of things that sound good. They continue that message of wanting to work with Russia, but you really have to kind of probe behind the scenes.

And we have the issue of the sanctions he appears to be talking about. Are the sanctions that the Obama administration imposed after the hacking allegations and information came out, there were also other sanctions that have been in effect for quite a while about Ukraine and Crimea. So we would also want to get a very precise definition of what sanctions he would want to get rid of.

FREDRICKA WHITFIELD, CNN ANCHOR: The Senate Intelligence Committee is promising to look into Russian cyber activity and possible links between Russia and individuals associated with U.S. political campaigns. What are the expectations and how would that potential be received there in Moscow?

DOUGHERTY: Well, they dismiss it here in Moscow out of hand. I mean, it's been dismissed. In fact, the other day when we were talking with Dmitry Peskov, who is the spokesperson for President Putin, he basically said we're really tired of talking about this. It's fake news, false news, and we're not going to talk about it.

So in that sense, they don't want to because it's not a narrative that they want to pursue. They denied it and that's it. What they want to do now is move toward this new relationship which will start in just a week and -- or even less -- and try to smooth the way as much as possible. So they are denying certain things, but they're not, they're not taking, let's say, a hard stance on anything that the incoming president Trump is saying. They want to work with him. They're not quite sure, however, whether he'll be able to really deliver a lot of the stuff that he was maybe not promising, but laying out as a possibility during the campaign.

WHITFIELD: Jill Dougherty in Moscow, thank you so much.

Also this week, Trump spokesman Sean Spicer told the media that Michael Flynn, the president-elect's choice for national security advisor, contacted the Russian ambassador to the United States several times just about the same time as President Obama's sanctions were announced. That ambassador will actually also be in attendance at Trump's inauguration.

I want to bring in CNN global affairs analyst Kim Dozier. Senator Chris Coons said this call was, quote, "very suspicious." In your view, how unusual is this?

KIMBERLY DOZIER, CNN GLOBAL AFFAIRS ANALYST: Well, consider the fact that the Trump administration doesn't yet have a confirmed secretary of state, so it is left to a small group of people around president- elect Trump to make these kinds of phone calls. This kind of contact with major foreign government is to be expected. Reaching out to the Russian government especially to have cooperation or a at least a de- confliction that's going on the Syrian battlefield. You would expect Mike Flynn to make this kind of phone call. Yet in light of the fact this last administration was, at that point, taking action against Moscow, it shows you that what they're trying to say is we're going to do business differently. Don't overreact. He had to have been telling him something like that behind closed doors. In light of --

WHITFIELD: Is that something that would happen during a transition period, laying that kind of groundwork while the current administration is sending a different signal?

DOZIER: Well, I think what you're seeing is just in the foreign policy realm the same sort of about-face playing out that we're seeing with Obamacare. And Mike Flynn is setting the tone for a different relationship with Moscow.

I've spoken to western officials who say, look, you need a different relationship. Right now the U.S. and Moscow are not talking, and when these two great powers stop talking, when it's this bad, the wheels start to come off on lots of different international agreements. So the relationship does need to be restored.

What makes it look suspicious of course is this is happening against the backdrop of all the accusations and counterclaims between the two parties that perhaps President Donald Trump's election wasn't quite legitimate because the Russians were trying to influence voters to go his way.

WHITFIELD: And then Trump making that argument in the "Wall Street Journal" that good things could happen. You have to have these kinds of conversations that he's advocating. So is that also setting the stage for what his hope would be, what kind of operations coming out of the U.S. State Department as it pertains to Russia?

[14:05:12] DOZIER: What I think you have to do when you're looking at Trump's evolving foreign policy toward Russia is look at what he says but also look at what his nominee said. This week we had General James Mattis, the nominee to lead the Pentagon, and also Representative Mike Pompeo, the nominee to lead the CIA, come out with some pretty strong statements about Russia, saying that they're an adversary and out to undermine the U.S., that, yes, they were behind an attempt to influence the election. So I think what you could be seeing is a sort of good cop, bad cop

policy forming where president-elect Trump reaches out with the hand of friendship while he's got his team behind him saying, and if you step out of line, we're ready to react. Could that be militarily, could that be with some sort of cyber-response? They at least want to send a signal that they're ready to do that. That's what I hear from some Trump advisors. They keep telling me, stay tuned, watch what we do. Don't just get distracted by the top line, some of the things that are said publicly.

WHITFIELD: Kim Dozier, thank you so much in Washington.

Former Attorney General Michael Mukasey says FBI Director James Comey should resign. Mukasey, a Republican, told CNN that Comey crossed several lines during his investigation of Hillary Clinton's private e- mail server. Mukasey also questioned Comey's judgment on that infamous letter about finding more possible e-mails just days before the election. Mukasey's comments come after the inspector general announced a review of how the FBI handled the Clinton investigation. Pamela Brown has more.


PAMELA BROWN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: FBI director James Comey is facing renewed scrutiny on both sides of the aisle. House Democrats left a confidential briefing with Comey on Russia on hacking fuming.

REP. MAXINE WATERS, (D) CALIFORNIA: It's classified and we can't tell you anything. All I can tell you is the FBI director has no credibility.

BROWN: The Republican leaning "Wall Street Journal" editorial board says, quote, "The best service Mr. Comey could render his country is to resign," calling him too political for a position that's supposed to be apolitical.

This while the Department of Justice inspector general investigates Comey's actions before the election, his decision to hold an unprecedented press conference last July closing the investigation into Hillary Clinton's e-mails, and then breaking with DOJ policy by sending a letter just before the election alerting Congress he was renewing a probe into her private server.

Democrats mad about his decision not to sign on to an October letter from the intelligence community saying Russia was behind the election hacks, and refusal to speak publicly about ongoing investigations into people formerly connected to the Trump campaign and Russia.

SEN. ANGUS KING, (I) MAINE: He didn't say one way or another whether there's an investigation under way.

JAMES COMEY, FBI DIRECTOR: Correct. I don't -- especially in a public forum, we never confirm or deny any pending investigation.

KING: The irony of your making that statement here I cannot avoid, but I'll move on. BROWN: Other Democrats who recently had a briefing with Comey, a

registered Republican appointed by President Obama, are coming to his defense.

SEN. TOM CARPER, (D) DELAWARE: Jim Comey is an honorable person who I think made a bad decision.

BROWN: Comey is at the center of another political firestorm for briefing the president-elect on unsubstantiated allegations against him last week. CNN has learned Comey had a one on one conversation with Trump after the intel meeting to brief him on the allegations. In a November interview with "60 Minutes," Trump left Comey's future hanging in the balance.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: FBI director James Comey, are you going to ask for his resignation?

DONALD TRUMP, (R) PRESIDENT-ELECT: I think that I would rather not comment on that yet. I haven't made up my mind.

BROWN: As of now, Director Comey is only three-and-a-half years into the 10-year FBI director tenure, and people familiar with the matter say he has no regrets about decisions he has made surrounding the recent investigations and has no plans to step down. He also released a statement saying he's grateful for the inspector general investigation and hopes the results will be shared with the public.

Pamela Brown, CNN, Washington.


WHITFIELD: The nominee to head the CIA says he'll be straight up with president-elect and whether or not Trump wants to hear it or not. Straight ahead, we'll ask former military commander Wesley Clark what it's like to have to have those kinds of frank conversations with a president of the United States.


[14:12:27] WHITFIELD: Welcome back. The week ahead will once again be packed with many more confirmation hearings. As of now eight cabinet nominees will face questioning by senators. Congressman Mike Pompeo, who has been picked to head the CIA, he was in the hot seat on Thursday. He faced questions about the rift between president-elect Donald Trump and the intelligence community over Russian hacking and his ability to speak the truth to power once he's in the job.


KING: Will you commit to giving the commander in chief, the president, unpleasant news that may be inconsistent with his policy preferences based on the best intelligence that the CIA can develop?

REP. MIKE POMPEO, CIA DIRECTOR NOMINEE: Senator, you have my commitment, and while I today am going to avoid talking about conversations that the president and I had with as much energy and effort that I can, I can tell you that I have assured the president- elect that I'll do that as well. I have shared with him that my role is central to him performing his function and important and critical only when I perform my function in that way.

I take the great work that these men and women put their lives at risk to develop and I deliver that to every policymaker in a way that's straight-up, forward, and I commit to doing that with you and the president-elect.


WHITFIELD: Joining me right now on the phone is retired General Wesley Clark, a former NATO supreme allied commander and was also the commander in chief of the U.S. European command. Glad you could be with us. So president-elect Trump is now talking about possibly lifting sanctions against Russia according to that "Wall Street Journal" report. Will the pressure be on Mike Pompeo from the beginning to essentially seek the truth to power with this new president?

GEN. WESLEY CLARK, FORMER NATO SUPREME ALLIED COMMANDER: I think the pressure will be on. I think that this happens, I think in every administration people come with a certain number of ideas and they have to work through those ideas. And hopefully, President Trump will use the information in the State Department, the intelligence agencies. The Pentagon people have worked these issues to understand the logic behind the sanctions and to develop the right preconditions before sanctions are lifted.

You know, Russia's still occupying Crimea. They took it illegally in a breach of international law. They're still supporting conflict in eastern Ukraine. They have Russian commanders in there on some of the troops.

[14:15:00] And so this has to be taken into account. It's why the sanctions are in place in the first place. Now, if we could get Russia to ameliorate and change its behavior, then it makes sense to lift the sanctions.

WHITFIELD: Do you believe that there is mixed messaging and it complicates things, meaning Donald Trump may have a message to the American people. He has another message to people who are around him. He's sending other messages to the world. And then, of course, messages to the intelligence community, military community, members of Congress, et cetera? Is this problematic in your view, or what do you anticipate with this kind of messaging?

CLARK: Well, I think there will be a certain amount of reluctance on his part of his team to speak and commit him. That's not necessarily a bad thing. You can perhaps do more in international relations and U.S. national security policy by being a little more transactional oriented. That is, maybe there is some deal making to be made here.

The difficulty, of course, is not what's the discussion around it and the different confusion, because if you were doing a business deal, you'd start your bid for something you want low. He's going to ask too much. You're going to offer less. That's fine.

The difficulty here is everything is connected to everything else, so a deal to reduce tensions with Russia has to be also weighed for its impact on our allies in eastern Europe and on our NATO allies more generally. And what happens in Europe has to be weighed on what Japan and South Korea might take as a lesson from U.S. actions. And so it's more complicated and more interconnected than it is in simple business dealings.

WHITFIELD: You've had your history with NATO. President-elect Trump has said he wants NATO countries to pay more of their fair share and questioned its validity and its usefulness. Here's what General Mattis had to say about NATO during his hearing this week.


GEN. JAMES MATTIS (RET), SECRETARY OF DEFENSE NOMINEE: If we did not have NATO today, we would need to create it. NATO is vital to our national interest, and it's vital to the security of the United States. It's vital to the protection of the freedoms of the democracies that we're allied with.


WHITFIELD: So what is your view of these incongruent messages on NATO?

CLARK: I think that Jim Mattis said it exactly right. I think NATO is absolutely essential. I think we would have to create it if we didn't have it. But that doesn't mean that the Europeans shouldn't be paying more. They should be. We said that every nation should commit at least two percent of its gross domestic product, its defensive expenditures. Most of these nations have not done so and in particular Germany has not do so for a long period of time, for over a decade. Sometimes their expenditures have gone under one percent of their gross domestic project.

So this means they don't have the resources, the flexibility, the technology, the modernization, the training for their leaders that's necessary for them to do their fair share in promoting defense and deterrence for Europe, so they should do more.

And, as always, NATO is constantly looking at the international environment, working to modernize itself and be relevant and capable. And so when Mr. Trump said it should focus on terrorism, people from NATO called me and said we've been working on terrorism. It just hasn't gotten as much publicity.

But there's more that can be done with terrorism with NATO. We can do a better job of exchanging intelligence. We can do a better job of training. We can do a better job of bringing other ministries in foreign governments into the fold and working all together, because NATO has, for Europeans, been mostly a function of their ministries and defense. And I think it can become a more inclusive and capable alliance. So I think we have to welcome these questions and these challenges, and NATO has to prove itself, as it should. WHITFIELD: Is it important in your view for the U.S. to be sending or

in the next administration send messages to European leaders who may be concerned about the possibility of the U.S. potentially pulling resources away from its NATO commitment?

CLARK: I haven't seen anything that suggests the United States would pull resources away from NATO. In fact we just landed a brigade and setting it up, an armored brigade in Poland.

WHITFIELD: That's the Obama administration doing that.

CLARK: That's right. But that's the kind of tough message that, for example, Secretary of State Designate Tillerson in his confirmation hearing said you have to deal from strength if you're dealing with Russia, and that's the kind of move that shows strength.

[14:20:00] And nobody would know this better than Donald Trump. He, after all, is a master of the art of the deal. I mean, that's what he's done in business. He knows how to bluff. He knows how to threaten in business. And he's got to work in a different environment with a different set of tools, but I have a feeling he's going to be very quick learner on this.

WHITFIELD: All right, General Wesley Clark, thank you so much, appreciate it.

CLARK: Thank you.

WHITFIELD: Still ahead, multiple Democratic congressmen now saying they will not attend this coming week's inauguration. Why? Largely because of this war of words now playing out publicly between president-elect Donald Trump and civil rights icon John Lewis. We'll explain next.


WHITFIELD: Welcome back. Thanks so much for joining me.

Now, the list is growing of Democrats who are now boycotting the inauguration of president-elect Donald Trump. Among them, Mark Takano now of California, tweeting this, "All talk, no action. I stand with Representative John Lewis and I will be not attending the inauguration." He now joins Representative Luis Gutierrez, Representative Barbara Lee, Representative Katherine Clark, a growing number, you see 10 faces here on the screen following this testy back and forth between Congressman John Lewis who did a tweet, but in an interview he said he does not believe president-elect Donald Trump will be a legitimate president. But then Donald Trump tweeting this, that "Congressman John Lewis should spend more time on fixing and helping his district, which is in horrible shape, falling apart." I'm trying to read the screen here. "Rather than falsely complaining about the election results, all talk -- all talk, talk, talk, no action or results. Sad." That coming from Donald Trump.

So let's talk more about this with CNN political analyst and editor at "The New York Times," Patrick Healy. So Patrick, this is ugly and it's getting worse, especially when you have now a number of people, among them Congress people who have tweeted their admiration for the work that John Lewis has done, and now you've got 10 saying publicly they will not be in attendance.

[14:25:03] PATRICK HEALY, CNN POLITICAL ANALSYT: That's right, Fredricka. Two things are really going on here. One is the Democrats are still figuring out how to beat Donald Trump as president. They're not necessarily able to stop his appointments to different cabinet agencies. They may not be able to stop the Supreme Court appointment. So they're really trying to focus their protest action and energy around the Russian intel reports and the questions about his presidency. That's where they're trying to create some weakness in questioning, as Congressman Lewis did, the legitimacy of his president.

But on the other part of this too, though, is the moral part. A lot of Americans who are Democrats, who are liberals, who supported Hillary Clinton, are so opposed to the normalization of Donald Trump, to the sense we're all just going to gather in Washington next week and go to concerts and have these inaugural balls and celebrate the next president of the United States. And there's this great unease about that, the idea of kind of a moral stamp being put on his presidency and still a desire to resist that. And who stronger than John Lewis, a figure of really great resistance and moral power to come out and kind of make that point?

WHITFIELD: OK. Except -- I'm hearing what you're saying, except when you look at the sequence of events as we know it, it was John Lewis taking the stand in this NBC interview saying he doesn't consider him a legitimate president. "I will not be in attendance." We didn't hear about other members of Congress in attendance until Donald Trump then tweets after that interview, a portion of that interview is aired, and making these comments and undermining or even questioning whether John Lewis has done very much for his district. As a result of that tweet, then you have this list now standing at 10 members of Congress who say we're not going to be in attendance, more in a response to the disparaging sentiments from Donald Trump about John Lewis. So it seems as though we're talking about a couple of different things though, right?

HEALY: I think what Democrats have told me is that both things are going on. The Democrats have been looking for ways to keep the spotlight on the legitimacy question for the Trump presidency and the Russian intel report and to sort of keep attention on that. John Lewis went out and did that yesterday.

WHITFIELD: Is that what the Democrats' movement has been or are we talking about separately the intel community which has been a bipartisan effort, correct, or a non-partisan effort, the intel community saying this is our information and we have presented it. And then you've been seeing an evolution of arguments about whether or not Donald Trump wants to believe and others want to appreciate the intel information for the advancement of democracy versus looking back, trying to undermine the presidency of Donald Trump.

HEALY: It's very much both. You have the intel community doing that, but you also have Chuck Schumer, leader of the Democrats, Nancy Pelosi, leader of the Democrats in the House, who have been looking for ways to try to sort of pin down Donald Trump and keep him on the defensive. They're not going to be able to do it, they don't think, with the Supreme Court. They're going to have a hard time with the confirmation hearings.

John Lewis is very close to several of these Democrats who come out today and said they're not going to go to the inauguration either. So Fredericka, part of it, yes, is solidarity with John Lewis and supporting him against Donald Trump's tweets this morning, but, as you know and we all know, the Democrats have been talking to each other for weeks now about these issues. It's not like John Lewis goes out to NBC yesterday and says something that surprises all of these other Democrats. They have been trying to figure out a strategy for some time now of how to keep some heat and some pressure on president-elect Trump, not being able to do it by, you know, torpedoing Jeff Sessions or Rex Tillerson and things like that.

And the reality is questioning the legitimacy of his presidency, keeping the Russian intel in the spotlight, and sort of casting a shadow over the inaugural festivities is a way to do that.

WHITFIELD: So the fifth district, the district in which Congressman Lewis serves, the largest city in that district is the city of Atlanta.

[14:30:02] And the mayor, Kasim Reed, also tweeted in response saying that the "PEOTUS Trump," president-elect of the United States Trump, "would attack Congressman Lewis on MLK Day weekend for all talk no action when he bled to actually make America great." The responses, like you said, in solidarity of John Lewis, it really is cascading. How is it overshadowing or potentially going to overshadow a message that Donald Trump said on the night of victory that unity was something he wanted to promote and that he would have a very short speech on inauguration day and that his message would be succinct. How is now all of this overshadowing his plans or what could unfold six days from now?

HEALY: That is a great point and that is a real problem. When Donald Trump keeps tweeting the way that he does, and in this case, sort of going after the fifth district in Atlanta and making claims that he did during the campaign about inner cities in America that are all sort of crumbling and falling apart, these wild generalizations that were deeply offensive to voters in those communities, it definitely casts a shadow. And he's doing it on Martin Luther King Day weekend.

I will say one Trump source told me, they said, look, John Lewis did this on Friday of Martin Luther King Day weekend. John Lewis knew what he was doing when he said this with the resonance of the holiday there in talking about the legitimacy of the president. So he knew what he was doing, Donald Trump knew what he was doing, and they both are going at this point.

But I think you're right, Fredericka. President-elect Trump has said he wants to use the inauguration to try to bring people together and to unite people, and maybe his speech will attempt to do that, but the speech is one thing. The way that he tweets has been entirely something different. And he uses Twitter to be provocative, to hit back 10 times as hard even if it ends up offending a lot of people in Atlanta.

WHITFIELD: Patrick Healy, thank you so much. It's not just Atlanta but a lot of people expressing offense who were offended across the country. Patrick Healy, appreciate it.

HEALY: Thank you.

WHITFIELD: Coming up, Donald Trump criticizing NATO, but today Poland is welcoming thousands of U.S. troops on its soil, part of a NATO build-up. Russia is calling that a threat to its security.


[14:35:53] WHITFIELD: The U.S. military is increasing its footprint in Europe, and that's increasing tensions with Russia. Poland formally welcomed some 4,000 U.S. troops early today. The U.S. says it's meant to reinforce its ties with NATO allies. But the Kremlin says the mood is a threat to Russia's national security and interest. It comes amidst growing concern over potential Russian aggression across the region.

For more on that let's turn to CNN's Phil Black. He is live for us in Estonia. Phil?

PHIL BLACK, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Fredricka, Estonia and the Baltic states have long been worried about Russia and Russian aggression. Part of its history because these countries were once part of the Russian empire and part of the Soviet Union. They say they know what it is to be occupied and bullied by Moscow. So since their independence in the early 90s they turned to NATO, to collective defense to come under that guarantee.

But they say they're still getting harassed by Russia through cyber- attacks, through military aircraft penetrating its airspace. That's why these countries, Poland as you discussed, they've been pushing for some time now to try to get some sort of NATO presence here that would send a message to Moscow that Moscow should not interfere, should not think about any sort of military adventure in this part of the world as they say Russia has done with Ukraine.

And they're pretty happy because they've got those U.S. forces arriving in Poland and in coming months other NATO forces are going to be arriving here in Estonia and the other Baltic states. And the hope although these numbers aren't big enough to fight off the Russians if it came to that, just having them here sends the message that if Russia was to pick a fight with any of these countries, then they would also be going to war inevitably with all the other 28 members of NATO and Russia would have to deal with all the consequences that come with that.

And the hope is that these relatively small forces can deter the possibility of any sort of wider conflict. But, as we know, Russia isn't happy about this. And these countries know Russia will respond to the presence of NATO troops this close to its borders. They just don't know what that response will be just yet. Fredricka?

WHITFIELD: And so Phil, you've spoken with resident in that region. What are they willing to say?

BLACK: They say they are worried. People here live with the longstanding belief that Russia is potentially a threat. Here is Estonia there is a volunteer, paramilitary group called the Estonian Defense League consisting of some 25,000 civilian volunteers that are military trained and armed and ready to mobilize at short notice if they believe there's any threat to the security of the state. It's just an indication of how these people here constantly believe that they are living under the shadow of potential action from Moscow, not in any panicky, scared sort of way, but they say it is just simply the reality that they live with and they know that they need support from their allies in NATO and in particular the United States to guarantee their security.

And it's why they're paying a lot of attention right now to the things that President Trump and those he's appointed to be members of his cabinet, what they're saying about NATO. They're a little bit worried with President Trump said NATO Was obsolete, when they suggested that defending NATO allies could be conditional on how much money those NATO allies are paying for their own defense. But they've been heartened a little bit in recent days to hear Mr. Trump's preferred appointments for secretary of defense and state talking about just how important they believe the NATO policy and the commitment to NATO is.

So they'll wait to see and waiting to see once president-elect Trump is inaugurated, waiting to hear what his first policy is in NATO, and they'll be looking for a firm commitment to NATO and its policy of collective defense, that is, if you attack one country, you're going to war with the entire alliance including the United States, Fredricka.

WHITFIELD: All right, Phil Blac, thank you so much in Estonia.

Coming up, it's been 18 years since Kamiyah Mobley went missing from the hospital. That's a composite sketch right there of her, released after she disappeared. Now thanks to DNA testing, she has been found alive.


[14:43:05] WHITFIELD: A cold case finally cracked. A baby stolen from a Florida hospital 18 years ago has been found alive after living what she thought was a normal life. Kamiyah Mobley was a new born, but a woman dressed as a nurse went into the mother's hospital room and then took her. That's a composite sketch right there of the baby released after she was taken from her biological mother.

The Jacksonville sheriff's department says this woman is responsible, 51-year-old Gloria Williams is accused of taking the baby to South Carolina, changing her name, and then pretending to be her mom all of this time. Law enforcement has not released the name. Kamiyah has been living with for the last 18 years. CNN's Pablo Sandoval joining us now with this very disturbing story. PABLO SANDOVAL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Pretty incredible, too, Fred. And

that name is just one of several details that they still have not officially released. Yesterday we heard from the Jacksonville sheriff and he also made an interesting comment that he believed that Kamiyah did have an idea in the months before those sheriff deputies came knocking on her door that she may have had an idea that she was kidnapped, but at this point, they won't offer any more details on that. But we do know the news that those deputies came knocking with would change the life of a young woman forever.


VELMA AIKEN, GRANDMOTHER: I just always thought it would happen, but I didn't have no idea it was going to be this day.

SANDOVAL: Velma Aiken's prayers were answered 18 years after this rendering of her granddaughter captivated much of the country.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It happened at this Jacksonville hospital.

SANDOVAL: In July of 1998, Kamiyah Mobley was just a few hours old when a woman dressed as a nurse walked out of the hospital with her and left behind no trace and a heartbroken young mother.

The exhaustive search turned up some clues but no baby Kamiyah. And 18 years and nearly 2,500 tips later, the Jacksonville sheriff's office received the tips they needed. Investigators were led to the tiny town of Walterboro, South Carolina.

[14:45:09] SHERIFF MIKE WILLIAMS, JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA: We found an 18 year old young woman with the same date of birth and a different name. So further investigation revealed that fraudulent documents had been used to establish that young woman's identity.

SANDOVAL: Sheriff Mike Williams said DNA analysis confirms that the 18-year-old woman in Walterboro is baby Kamiyah.

WILLIAMS: In the interest of reducing any further trail to this young woman I am not revealing her name, the name she's lived under all of these years.

SANDOVAL: Gloria Williams, the woman believed to have raised baby Kamiyah, was arrested Friday and charged with kidnapping. A neighbor of the 51 year old woman tells CNN Williams and the girl she raised seemed to have a normal mother/daughter relationship. Today the young woman faces a new reality being away from the only mother she ever knew.


SANDOVAL: That is one of the most powerful images we've seen in the last several days here because we have Kamiyah here facing the woman who is now accused of kidnapping her, and by all accounts here, Fred, she was a good mother. However, we also can't lose sight of the fact that investigators still consider this a very serious crime. They're charging her with kidnapping and possibly other charges. So the main question here, what will Kamiyah do next? She's 18-years-old, so ultimately she's the one who can decide where to live and with who.

WHITFIELD: Have they said anything about whether there would be charges that may involve anybody else, or would it only be this woman who posed as a nurse and then posed as her biological mother all the time?

SANDOVAL: It's an important question and I posed it to authorities at this point. They said it's still too early to determine, especially if charges could potentially be filed against any of Williams' friends or relatives, but again, that's something we are staying on top of.

WHITFIELD: Heartbreaking. Thank you so much, Polo, appreciate it.

Still to come, life after FOX News, Gretchen Carlson on what she's doing now following her sexual harassment lawsuit, and her message to other women.



[14:50:12] BRIAN MENISH, ARTIST: I was always a really, really shy kid. And when I found alcohol, it felt like a magical key. I had been drinking. I was going too fast around a small winding road. My bike hit the guardrail and I flew over and split my skull. I still can't talk very well. I couldn't walk at all. I couldn't use my right hand or arm. I was very depressed.

In high school, I was painting a lot with my right hand. My mom, she was like, well, have you tried your left hand. I was hesitant at first. It only took me like six months, and I was into art school. Even though my style was much looser, it just felt great to be painting again.

Two of my paintings I submitted into a gallery. They were juried and accepted. I work out six days a week. I am in two honor societies. If I didn't know how to paint, I would probably be in jail or dead.

Don't give up on yourself. If I could do it, you could do it.


WHITFIELD: Wow. Beautiful messages, beautiful words there.

All right, so former FOX News anchor Gretchen Carlson is opening up about the next chapter of her life. Six months after settling a sexual harassment lawsuit against her boss, Roger Ailes, Carlson reached a $20 million agreement with 21st century FOX and Ailes forced to resign. CNN's Carol Costello caught up with Carlson in an interview for "Good Housekeeping" magazine and discovered she has a whole new focus.



GRETCHEN CARLSON, COMMENTATOR AND AUTHOR: I've been good. I've been busy, but I've been spending time with my family.

COSTELLO: So what has been something that you're doing that is most satisfying to you right now?

CARLSON: I've signed on to become a columnist for "Times Motto" which is online and it reaches 37 million young people. Specifically I'm going to be writing about female empowerment. And so I'm really looking forward to that.

COSTELLO: I think women once thought we were on the same page, but some women with the election of Donald Trump don't think that way anymore.

CARLSON: I think a lot of women don't think that we're all on the same page. A lot of woman voted for Donald Trump. And that's OK, because that's their right in America. So they think that for them he brings a bright future. I can't comment on whether or not that's right or wrong for society, but what I can say is that he has said that he loves women and that he believes in women. And I challenge him to those comments. I challenge him to then put women in high ranking positions, show America that your words are true.

COSTELLO: Some women say, though, since the majority of white women voted for Donald Trump, that all those terrible things he said about women were OK with them.

CARLSON: I really believe that a lot of people in the election looked at policies and things that they were fed up with with regard to policies, and that that superseded some of the basic tenets in the way we treat one another.

COSTELLO: But as a woman who fights against sexual harassment and against such language in the workplace, how can you now say to young men out there that this kind of language is unacceptable when a man who's president of the United States used such language?

CARLSON: I'm still going to say to young men and young women and, frankly, young men and women of all ages, it's unacceptable. But we elected other presidents who also had major flaws. So I take it as an opportunity, as a learning experience. I have two young children, my daughter is 13 and my son is 11. This was a topic of conversation in our home as I'm sure it was all across America.

COSTELLO: I know you can't talk about what happened to you, but I do want to know where you found the strength to start something new after that happened to you so publicly.

CARLSON: What happened to me in the last six months, not on my radar screen. So I'm about creating myself in the moment of time. I'm staying at the front to empower girls and women to speak up on all issues, not just sexual harassment. For me it's about inspiring women to come together, whether you feel good or bad about the election.

COSTELLO: There's this perception that conservative women want one thing and liberal women want something totally different. Are we really that different? CARLSON: I think that women in general, Republican and Democrat, feel

differently about the way the country should be run. But I think it's fascinating that more and more people in America are registered independents like myself. It's the biggest swath of the voting public, so why is that? That signifies to me that that group of people sees some things over here and sees some things over here. And you know what that means? We might find compromise.

COSTELLO: Get out.

CARLSON: I know.


CARLSON: And I know that is such a bad word for so many people. But what's interesting about women, when they work together is that oftentimes they do find compromise, and it doesn't mean giving up every single thing that you believe in.

COSTELLO: When a little girl or a little boy sits back and looks at the entirety of your career and what's happened to you and what you've become, what do you want them to take away?

CARLSON: I want them to think about what I look at every day on my wrist, which is carpe diem, seize the day. Be brave and be fearless, and for God's sake, stand up for yourself.


WHITFIELD: That was Carol Costello with Gretchen Carlson. Carlson is not only standing up for herself, she started a foundation called Gift of Courage to inspire girls and young women to do the same. You can check it out on her website,

Thanks so much for being with me today. I'm Frederica Whitfield. There's so much more straight ahead in the newsroom. Stay with us.