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Trump Gets Facts Wrong In CIA Speech; White House Agenda: Confirmation Hearings, Obamacare Repeal; Trump Says He Has "Running War" With Media; Trump On Iraq: "We Should Have Kept The Oil"; Trump, British Prime Minister To Talk Trade, Terror, NATO; Kremlin: Putin To Call Trump In Coming Days; Israeli Prime Minister and Trump To Talk About Iran Today. Trump Signs First Executive Order; Trump On Immigration; British Prime Minister To Meet With Trump; Vladimir Putin To Call Trump. Aired 6-7a ET
Aired January 22, 2017 - 06:00 ET
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CHRISTI PAUL, CNN ANCHOR: Welcome to Sunday, bright and early, 6:00 -- well, maybe not bright, but it will be bright soon, promise. We're so grateful to have your company as always. I am Christi Paul.
VICTOR BLACKWELL, CNN ANCHOR: I am Victor Blackwell. So good to be with you this morning.
PAUL: President Trump this morning will be speaking to Benjamin Netanyahu today. The Israeli prime minister, has promised to call and discuss Iran with the new U.S. president. This, of course, as Trump still looking to put a cabinet in place.
There are just two members that have been confirmed thus far, and you see them there on the left. On the right, the people who have yet to be confirmed, but this is a historically low number as we kick off the first day of the presidency.
BLACKWELL: Yes, first day of the Obama presidency in '09, there were seven members that had been approved. Tomorrow up for approval right here on Capitol Hill, Congressman Mike Pompeo, nominee for CIA director.
Plus on day one of Trump's presidency, more than 1 million people marched in Washington and other cities around the country, around the world in solidarity for women's rights and other important issues.
PAUL: Let's talk about everything the panel we have today. We're going to hear an ear full, CNN White House correspondent, Athena Jones with us, CNN senior political analyst, Mark Preston, A. Scott Bolden, former chairman of the Washington, D.C. Democratic Party, and CNN political commentators, Jeffrey Lord, Maria Cardona, and Paris Dennard. Welcome, everyone.
BLACKWELL: Athena, I want to start with you. And let's start with what has made the most news over the last 24 hours, the president going to Langley and speaking to members of the intelligence community. There were some on his team who thought he had mend fences so this was his first visit as president. Didn't exactly do that from some perfectives.
ATHENA JONES, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: No. I would say that he didn't, though, he has his vice president, Mike Pence, spoke before he did and it was interesting because it seemed as though the vice president was trying to lay the ground work, try to begin the mending of those fences and the rebuilding of those bridges.
And then it was sort of introducing the president and then the president came on and he talked about a lot of things that you would not expect him to talk about. For one thing he said that he was with the intelligence community a thousand percent accused the media of misrepresenting his -- what he said about the intelligence community, which is not true.
And then he talked about being at a running war with the media calling members of the media the most dishonest human beings on earth, then he talked about his crowd numbers. He was upset about the reporting on the crowd size at the inauguration.
And he says that he thought it looked like a million or a million and a half. So it was clear he was talking about things that had really nothing to do with the intelligence community or global affairs for that matter.
BLACKWELL: Just a stream of consciousness type of conversations. Jeffrey, let's get -- before we get to the media, because we have time to talk about that, when the president goes there and says that the media invented this feud between himself and the intelligence community, that simply is not true. We play his words invoking Nazi Germany. We've showed the tweets where he put intelligence in quotes. Why didn't he own up to that and apologize?
JEFFREY LORD, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Three years ago, I had a conversation with him in which he said to me, more or less what he said over there to the CIA, he really does believe that the media is dishonest. I mean, he gave me chapter and verse three years ago. So I am suggesting to you that this is a fundamental core belief with him here.
BLACKWELL: There's a difference between what he believes and what is true.
LORD: Well, look, and --
PAUL: There are tweets that we put out there. We don't superimpose it over him.
LORD: I understand, but everything is context. I mean, here's a guy who is, if you will, to use old-fashioned terminology, a hawk, right, and this is somebody that believes in the military and the intelligence community and all sorts of things as a precursor to American strength in the world.
So for him to pick a fight, I mean, he was mad about leaked classified information, as he should be, and I said, and -- Mark is shaking his head, and we have spent a lot of time discussing this, but this is how the city operates, on leaks.
The problem here is that this is the intelligence community, and peoples' lives are at stake here so he gets angry, and he should when intelligence information is leaked out that is particularly not true, right? He gets upset.
And one other thing, he's the new boss, right? These are his employees. This is something he has done a thousand times in his life is sit down with a new employee and try to bond and establish a relationship.
And I think that that's part of what you were seeing yesterday, relating to them as human beings and saying, look, I get really upset when this happens to let them know what kind of person he is.
BLACKWELL: But usually you don't have to bond with a new employee after you've invoked Nazi Germany and put their intelligence --
[06:05:08]LORD: What he's doing, look, as a new boss, as somebody who has been a boss for a long time, I am certain that one of his things is igniting a fire under his employees and making them think, hey, I better pay attention to the new guy, or, you know, I am in trouble.
PAUL: Maria, you are shaking your head?
MARIA CARDONA, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: You know, those poor employees at the CIA, I'm sure have whiplash as does the rest of the country, because -- and I really feel bad for my friend, Jeffrey, because you did a great job, Jeffrey, but the fact of the matter is that we know two things very clearly right now.
And I know that so many people have talked about wanting to have a pivot from this now president that will become more presidential, we will never get that, number one.
Number two, he was the candidate that was the candidate that has lied the most in modern history during the campaign --
LORD: Except for Hillary Clinton.
CARDONA: No, not except for Hillary Clinton. Again, that's just a fact that Donald Trump actually has lied the most of any candidate in modern history, period. That's not going to change either. I think the American people are in for the ride of their life and it's not going to be a fun one.
And it's not going to be a good one when you have the president of the United States that doesn't believe in facts or truth and even those his own employees under the bus on one day and then the next day says I am with you a thousand percent. How are they supposed to do their job under those kinds of circumstances? It's really shameful.
BLACKWELL: Paris, I saw you take two or three breaths over there. PARIS DENNARD, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: You have to because Maria is a fine person and I like her a lot, but what you are saying is factually untrue.
CARDONA: I have facts behind me actually.
DENNARD: President Trump is going to be an excellent president and that the American people are going to appreciate the fact that jobs are going to be coming back to this country. But to the point about --
CARDONA: Why didn't he talk about yesterday? That's exactly what he should have talked about yesterday.
DENNARD: What we forget is that President Trump is someone like we have never seen as it relates to the media. He knows the media. He understands the media, but more importantly, Mark, he knows the people. This whole entire campaign, he always talked to the people.
I was out there on the mall and people recognized me from being on CNN. I love CNN and I think the reporting that you all do is excellent but the people have a different opinion and Mr. Trump, the president of the United States knows that.
So when he is messaging, what is the strategy, the strategy is to go in there and say, listen, I am with you and support you and it's not me, it's the media. They are the ones who are manipulating what I say against you, and I am with you --
CARDONA: But that's just an outright lie.
BLACKWELL: Scott, go ahead.
A. SCOTT BOLDEN, FORMER CHAIRMAN, WASHINGTON, D.C. DEMOCRATIC PARTY: Donald Trump drives every part and every inch of this narrative. Take the CIA, for example, he tweeted before the leak about the Russian hacking and whether it had an impact on his election or not, and he has to go to the CIA first to apologize, essentially, without apologizing.
Why is that his first step? Because he offended all of them, and by the way, he politicized and aggrandized himself right in front of that wall of honor, which was highly offensive by many people. Those are the lives of CIA agents who have lost their lives over the years and their families.
That's just outrageous, but he drives this narrative and then he apologizes for his narrative. Do we believe that Donald Trump on his Twitter or what he says on the teleprompter or what he is rambling in his speech? It's very confusing.
BLACKWELL: Mark, let me ask you. Paris said that he understands the media and he would have to, after, coming down that escalator in the summer of 2015, by now, he would have to understand that by going there and saying all the things that has nothing to do with the CIA, that would be the focus if he truly understands that.
MARK PRESTON, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: Right. You know, and Paris is right, he does understand the people. He only understands half of it, though. He understands the manipulation of the media, no question about that. He does understand marketing values, no question about that.
But the problem for Donald Trump is that he looks inward and not outward on everything, and what we saw from his inauguration speech to his actions yesterday is that he didn't take the opportunity to try to calm fears from those who don't support him.
Now there's been a lot of talk, should have Donald Trump gone out and talked to the protesters ahead. I've been advising him, absolutely not. They were not there to hear from Donald Trump, and they were there to talk amongst themselves about their anger at Donald Trump.
But Donald Trump yesterday -- what he did yesterday and why we are talking about this today and we'll continue for days to comes is that he created his own situation, and often times his inability, his thin skinned-ness to try to take criticism and let it go passed him is really going to be an issue I think in his presidency.
PAUL: Well, again, I mean, Donald Trump, as you mentioned and you mentioned earlier, he is used to protecting his brand because he is coming from a business and an entertainment point, now in the political arena, it is a different game stage.
[06:10:07]Whatever you are going to say -- just hold on just for a minute. We have to take a quick break. We'll be right back.
BLACKWELL: All right, let's bring back in our panel right now, Athena Jones, Mark Preston, Jeffrey Lord, Maria Cardona, Paris Dennard, and A. Scott Bolden. I want to start with an element that has been over shadowed that the president discussed yesterday, and this is the president talking about Iraq and the oil, specifically.
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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: The old expression to the victor belongs the spoils. You remember I always used to say, keep the oil. I was not a fan of Iraq and didn't want to go into Iraq, but I will tell you, when we were in, we got out wrong.
I always said in addition to that, keep the oil. I said it for economic reasons, but if you think about it, Mike, if you kept the oil you probably would not have ISIS because that's where they made their money in the first place, so we should have kept the oil, but, OK, maybe we will have another chance. The fact is, we should have kept the oil.
(END VIDEO CLIP) BLACKWELL: All right, so Paris, there's a difference between saying we should have kept the oil as a candidate, and as, now, the president saying maybe we will have another chance, do you expect that's something he will go after and have support in this building behind us?
DENNARD: Look, I think that this is a president that likes everything on the table. I have heard people say --
BLACKWELL: Even stealing another country's oil?
DENNARD: I wouldn't say stealing. What are the options that the American people have in terms of revenue and retrieving revenue? Just like the wall with Mexico, is it Mexico is going to pay for it now or reimburse us?
DENNARD: Well, it's going to happen. He's going to put the options on the table and get the best solution at the end of the day, and what you saw there was his example of thinking out loud, obviously, but also putting things on the table and saying I don't know what we are going to do, but he has people around him that are going to present these to him and he will ultimately give the right decision.
PRESTON: (Inaudible) just very quickly, one that's a message that will resonate very well in Middle America and resonate to those that voted for him, and it's a simple message, we go in and liberate Iraq and -- OK, we are going to take the oil back, right?
But it doesn't work that way, it's against the idea of democracy building that the United States is in, however that message that we talked about in the early segment, that's what plays well with people even though physically as far as politically, the United States can't keep the oil.
[06:15:10]CARDONA: But can we define something here. We keep talking about the people, and Paris and I just talked about this, and he said something that I think is true but in context. Paris said that Donald Trump understands the people. Yes, he understands the people who supported him during the campaign, which is the minority of the American people, and that right there is his problem.
He has yet to understand that if he is going to be a successful president of the United States, he has got to understand that he has got to be president of all of the United States, including the 600,000 people that showed up yesterday in Washington, D.C. alone and millions around the country who are not supporting him, who are angry at him and who they have yet to hear that he's going to do something to try and unify the country.
PAUL: Go ahead, Jeffrey.
LORD: Look, back in 1983, you knew I would go here --
BLACKWELL: Yes, we did. CARDONA: Let's all drink.
LORD: A million people showed up in the streets of New York City to protest Ronald Reagan's policy on nukes, and they were all there just as these people were here yesterday, good people and decent people, furious at Ronald Reagan.
Ronald Reagan, the last thing he was going to do is reach out to them. I went back and took a look at what he said, he questioned their patriotism and judgment and he had no time for them. I am just suggesting that when you are a president and you got this kind of thing that is fairly common these days -- and has been since I was a child of the '60s.
Then presidents in the opposition, Nixon, Reagan and Trump are not bound to go out there and say my hand is out to you, because it's going to be rejected and they know that, and politically speaking and in those other two cases, when these kind of demonstrations -- I was in one in 1970, and what happens is it back fires eventually and the American people take the president's side.
So politically speaking -- I am all for the protest, and God bless democracy, that's a good thing, but the political effect of this is the reverse of what is intended. When the American people look at their television screens and see all these Hollywood actors and all this kind of thing, I mean, you know --
PAUL: But they were not just seeing those, they were seeing people in Paris, and they were seeing people across the world, this was in Antarctica? So what does the president do to shift the conversation --
LORD: He sticks to his message.
DENNARD: He spent two segments talking about Trump versus the media at the CIA. That's what he wanted to happen and that's what we are doing. That's part of his strategy.
PAUL: He is deflecting, but it doesn't deflect from the policy that has to be discussed moving forward.
BOLDEN: So here's the thing. This war on media is the same war on media that gave him $3 billion of free media advertising during the campaign. I think he's got to reach across line and I do think he's got to speak to those 600,000 people or the millions around the country because he's now the president.
He's got to stop giving campaign messages and give presidential messages, and saying he will take the oil back in Iran that has long- term ramifications because the world is listening, and he hasn't done that pivot. He's not going to do that pivot.
But he has to reach out to those $600,000. He lost by 3 million votes. He can't just ignore them, can he?
PRESTON: He did win. (CROSSTALK)
DENNARD: That system for Clinton and Obama is the system for Trump, he won and that's the system.
PAUL: Moving forward, let's talk about Russia. We will take a quick break. We'll be right back in a moment.
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THERESA MAY, BRITISH PRIME MINISTER: -- on Friday and talking to him on Friday, and there will many issues to talk about, because the relationship between the U.K. and the U.S. has been strong for many years. We will have opportunity to talk about our possible future trading relationship, but also some of the world's challenges that we all face, issues like defeating terrorism, and the conflict in Syria.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PAUL: British prime minister there, Theresa May, talking about what may be on the agenda with her first conversation with the now President Trump when they speak coming up here shorty. Right now the pageantry is over and it's back to business for President Trump. (Inaudible) quite a first full week we should say.
BLACKWELL: Yes, and on the agenda, of course, that meeting with the British prime minister. Our panel is back with us. And Mark, I want to start with you. The prime minister mentioned the special relationship and this comes at a very special time as the U.K. is going through this Brexit, and we know that Donald Trump invoked Brexit as a precursor, Brexit plus, plus, he called his action.
PRESTON: Yes. It will be interesting when Theresa May does come over here because England is our greatest ally. It will be interesting to see what he says after their meeting, OK, because that is really going to help chart the course as we go forward.
And he will meet with other world leaders, meeting with the Mexican president, we are told as well, and we will see what the discussion is on the wall and how Mexico is or is not going to pay for it.
But it is important especially when we are talking about the war on terror right now, because that is our greatest threat as we move forward under the Trump administration, in what role will our allies play as we try to do so.
If you listen to his speech, his inauguration speech, we were just talking about this on the break, he went after the Republicans and Democrats and he went after our enemies and allies as well saying there's a whole new world order right now that is coming into place, and here in the United States, we are going to look at everything. PAUL: The world was watching the speech, and I want to bring in something that was talked about from Russia, and he said Trump said the destruction of ISIL is a main priority, and this is a tweet, and he said to solve the problem, he won't need Warsaw, Kiev. He will need Russia. What does he do, Paris, with Russia?
DENNARD: I think this is all part of President Trump's strategy. When he returned the Winston Churchill bust into the oval office and it's simple messaging to not just Americans, but also to our greatest ally, I'm with you.
Point two, this relationship and the way he has been messaging about Putin is because he understands that he is going to go into this presidency the first 100 days having a positive respectful relationship with Russia, with Israel, and with Prime Minister May.
And so these are things he is doing on purpose because he wants to show that the past administration did not have the strong relationships or the respect of the world community like I have.
[06:25:07]And so going into his first 100 days and talking about this, Russia will be a key supporter, and watch what is going to happen, watch Russia become one of our best allies, and I promise that will happen.
BLACKWELL: In every administration, at least for a couple decades there's a literal and figuratively re-start button.
PAUL: but he's walking into this with this allegation of hacking. I mean, this is not like other -- and sanctions --
DENNARD: They have been doing this for years.
DENNARD: It doesn't make it OK, but what is OK is we have world leaders that respect this president, and who are showing him the respect and --
CARDONA: I think you have world leaders who are scared about what this president is going to do because he is dissing our allies, and -- he's talking about putting nuclear weapons back on the world stage and starting another nuclear arms race. They are terrified, but maybe that's exactly what Donald Trump wants.
LORD: They were terrified of Ronald Reagan, too, and with all due respect, why were relations with Russia so terrible? We had that Russian reset. The big plastic button, what happened?
CARDONA: That's exactly apparently what Donald Trump wants to do. But to your point, Christi, he comes into this under a cloud. Let's not forget that there are allegations frankly -- I don't think they are allegations anymore that Russia actually hacked this election, and did it to be able to boost Donald Trump and help him win, but there are now -- there's an active investigation from the Department of Justice inspector general into possible collusion between the Donald Trump campaign and the Russian government.
CARDONA: Let's see what happens there because the American people still had a lot of questions about what happened during the campaign, and the win that Donald Trump --
LORD: It's a win.
BLACKWELL: Let me talk about another issue because we, of course, can talk about Russia all day, but I want to get to Iran, because there's going to be a conversation between President Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel about Iran, and the future, Jeffrey, from your perspective of this Iran nuclear deal, is the U.S. out of that in the next 100 days?
LORD: Well, I don't think the future is good for it. There are a lot of people up here, and Donald Trump was one of them that thought it was one of the worst deals imaginable. I mean, we are dealing with people that don't tell the truth and their object here is to destroy Israel, among other things. Wipe it off the face of the earth.
Why we were playing footsie with these people, I mean, this is a real divide and has been between the Republican and Democratic Parties long before Donald Trump came along, peace through strength with Ronald Reagan versus Jimmy Carter and weakness and all of this kind of thing. That's what is playing out here, and he's going to be tough, without doubt.
PAUL: Scott, real quick.
BOLDEN: What is footsie, though, when you stop the nuclear proliferation program --
LORD: But you're not going to stop it.
BOLDEN: You have stopped it. All objective evidence shows that deal was working. The money, before you bring up the money, Jeffrey, the money that went back was owed to them for several years and stuff, and so what -- the part of the Iran deal don't you like simply because Israel doesn't like it?
BOLDEN: Well, you get rid of the deal, right, and they start their program again unfettered and unchecked and that's more dangerous than anything.
BLACKWELL: All right, we got to hold it there. We have to take a quick break. Health care up next.
CHRISTI PAUL, CNN ANCHOR: Thirty minutes past the hour on a Sunday. We're live with you from D.C. I am Christi Paul.
VICTOR BLACKWELL, CNN ANCHOR: I am Victor Blackwell. Good morning to you.
PAUL: Mm-hmm. All right. Let's talk about health care. Now Obamacare is on the minds of a lot of people and what is going to happen to it. We know Donald Trump signed an executive order to start the process of repealing Obamacare. Athena, what exactly did this set him up for?
ATHENA JONES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Right. So the executive order and the first one he signed is him trying to show that he is complying with his promise to act on Obamacare on day one.
But what it does it doesn't dismantle the law. Congress is hard at work on doing that, but what it does do is it directs agencies to interpret the law's provisions and regulations as loosely as allowed in order to minimize the financial burden on individuals, on insurers, on health care providers. So that means they can waive or differ or -- in other words -- otherwise delay some of these provisions if they decide it has a financial impact.
One good example that this could apply to of course is the individual mandate, the penalty that people are charged if they don't buy health insurance. So it's certainly a big step and it's the president's way of showing that he is -- he's trying to stick to his promise to take action on this.
BLACKWELL: Yes. We have not seen the president's plan put forward. We haven't seen a consensus plan out of the hill, but I wonder, Jeffrey, at least rhetorically hearing (ph) there are discrepancies between the goals. The president saying, we want to insure everybody. We want health care for everybody.
We heard from (INAUDIBLE) yesterday not so long ago saying, listen, we can't accomplish everything.
How are you going to get these two sides on the same page?
JEFFREY LORD, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: We're going to find out --
BLACKWELL: But seven years in, repeal and replace, what is the replacement?
LORD: Look, this was a mess from the get go. I mean, people something like 16 to 19 million people lost their health insurance because -- you know, the promise of -- you know, if you want your doctor and you like your doctor you can keep it was not true. It was factually not true.
So they're going to have to reverse course. And I have no question having worked up here that this is going to be a mess to some degree. But this was the first place to start with the mandate. The mandate was massively unpopular. People were really furious about
this and they were sabotaging it in their own fashion by saying, OK, I will take the penalty because it's cheaper to pay the penalty than to pay for the insurance. So they are going to have to unravel this.
It is very complicated, there's no question, but he's an executive. He stays focused. This was job one both in terms of symbolism and a practical affect and now they've got to move on and they are moving on to the rest of it.
PAUL: What do you say though to the people who are watching, who are depending on Obamacare? As we saw on that town hall with Paul Ryan that man who's saying, if not for Obamacare...
PAUL: ...I would not be standing here.
PARIS DENNARD, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Yes. I have to think we have to remember, President Bush -- I'm sorry. President Trump is not the type of president who is going to come in here and dismantle this program and put people out in the street and leave people to die. He understands that there are certain provisions -- and quite frankly Speaker Ryan and a lot of Republicans understand that there are provisions in Obamacare that are good, the pre-existing conditions, that's a good thing.
In the plan that comes the consensus plan from the hill in collaboration with the Trump White House it's not going to get rid of that. Despite common, you know, thinking, common thought, they are not that dumb. They're not going to rid of that. So there's going to be things that are going to appeal to Democrats and those would actually depend upon this piece of health care --
BLACKWELL: But in order to pay for those, don't you have to keep the parts that people don't like?
MARIA CARDONA, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Yes. So here I think is the pickle that Republicans are in. What he did with his executive order on Obamacare -- actually he does start to dismantle this. And, you know, what is interesting is that he's going to break it and then he's going to own it. And what Republicans I think are struggling with on the hill and I agree with Jeffrey, it is going to be a mess, because they want to keep all the great stuff, but what they -- I guess, haven't grappled yet or maybe they have and aren't admitting it, since it has been seven years and they haven't been able to come up with a consensus plan that is as good as Obamacare, is that in order to cover everybody with pre-existing conditions and to be able to cover everybody that wants but can't have insurance and which is why Obamacare was made in the first place is that you have to have a pool of people -- of healthy people to go into it that are paying their premiums or paying their penalty in order to be able to pay for those pre-existing conditions.
So if they can come up with a plan that covers at least as many people if not more with, you know, the kinds of premiums that we have or lower, I will be the first one to be dancing in the streets to say, yay, Trump! Yay, Republicans!
So the problem is is that --
MARK PRESTON, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: Save that tape.
CARDONA: That's right. So...
CARDONA: ... save that tape. Save that tape.
BLACKWELL: Do we know there's a timeline to where we will see some of the proposals?
PRESTON: So Speaker Ryan was in the town hall setting here on CNN a week or so ago and said that they hope to get it done in the first 100 days. But here's the situation is -- it's going to be -- is the health care legislation going to be driven out of the White House or driven out of Capitol Hill? No, I suspect it's going to be driven out of Capitol Hill because they actually understand how to legislate.
The problem though for Republicans and if you talk to them privately the least they'll say is that they haven't been able to come up with anything yet, but to the point as our viewers are wondering, what are they going to come up with is that there's no firm idea of what it's going to be, what it's not going to be as one big plan. What Republicans are going to try to do is do a piecemeal approach to try to climb back up to that number. Whether they can do that or not it remains to be seen.
A. SCOTT BOLDEN, FORMER CHAIRMAN, WASHINGTON D.C. DEMOCRATIC PARTY: Victor, that is super dangerous. What is troubling about all of this is not just the seven years and there's no consensus plan, but that they started the dismantle before they have a plan, and that's troubling because as you dismantle and dismantle and dismantle, the time for getting a new plan in place, the consensus plans the plan (ph) is running, and what happens to those 22 million people or others who are on Obamacare? They get dismantled as well. This is dangerous to put the cart before the horse. And they should have a consensus plan --
PAUL: All right. Everybody just stay with us for a second here. We have to take a quick break and we're going to talk about something that (INAUDIBLE) immigration, coming up next. Stay close.
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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: My first day in office I am going to notify law enforcement authorities that all of the bad dudes -- and we have a lot of them -- that are here illegally, that are the heads of gangs and drug cartels and all sorts of people and there are...
TRUMP: ... probably millions of them but certainly hundreds of thousands, big numbers. They're out. First hour of my -- the first document I will sign will say get the bad ones out of this country, bring them back to where they came from.
It's going to be a very busy first day. I am going to instruct the department of state to immediately suspend the Syrian refugee resettlement program.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BLACKWELL: All right. Let's talk immigration now. Bring back our panel. Athena Jones, Mark Preston, Jeffrey Lord, Maria Cardona, Paris Dennard, and A. Scott Bolden.
First hour, first day, first document, immigration. We are past the first hour. We're past the first day, past the first document he has not signed anything about immigration. Jeffrey, what is going on?
LORD: He'll get there. He'll get there. This is his major promise, one of them, at least, and I have no doubt whatsoever that he will get there with the wall and everything else.
I mean, these things are important. He understands that. I mean, this is -- this is a guy -- I keep saying this, and most of the presidents we've had, with a few exceptions, were career politicians. This hill is filled with career politicians, he is not that. This is a business executive who builds buildings, who gets things done. I assure you he's going to do this.
BLACKWELL: Do you glean anything from that not having been the first executive order, the first document, the first hour?
CARDONA: Not really, because I actually agree with Jeffrey on this.
CARDONA: I do think he's going to --
CARDONA: That I do think he's going to move forward on this, and in fact he was talking to the -- I think with the "L.A. Times" in the last couple of days where he talked about apparently wanting to do something for the dreamers, but hasn't really done anything yet, but yet going after all of the criminal undocumented immigrants that are here which he talked about on the tape.
The problem with that, Victor, is that -- he -- I do think he's going to repeal DACA which was Deferred Arrivals (ph) for Childhood Arrivals, and you guys can tell me if that's not true. He has pledged to do so and as soon as he does that, the 1.5 million dreamers that are here in the United States will be essentially up for deportation.
What he has also said is that he's going to start workplace raids. He has said that On the Record, and he said that the reason he is going to do that is to go after the criminal -- the criminal aliens that are here, the criminal undocumented workers that are here. But the problem with the number he is using is there aren't millions of criminal undocumented immigrants that are here. They are about 800,000 and that has always --
LORD: But that's 800,000 too many.
CARDONA: I agree with you completely. Again, number three.
BOLDEN: That's going to be a Republican --
CARDONA: And President Obama has had that as a priority from the moment that he walked into the White House, so that's not a change from what the Obama administration did. And in fact, you remember, he was called de-porter in chief...
CARDONA: ... during the 2012 election because he was deporting so many people. And so that's not a change.
What I'm waiting to hear is, what is the plan to protect the dreamers and these workplace raids, what he described really looked like a description of the deportation forces that he talked about during the campaign.
PAUL: Well, when you mentioned DACA we know that -- as we said, he did pledge to repeal that but then we heard House Speaker Paul Ryan saying, no, that's not going to happen.
So again there is a divide here amongst the party, amongst the president.
PAUL: How does he reconcile that? Because if you start -- if you start talking about DACA now you've got people living in fear in this country.
DENNARD: Absolutely. It's going to be an interesting first couple of 100 days, but also, to Jeffrey's point, he is not a career politician. He's a businessman who wants to get a deal. I've said from the beginning he is going to upset Republicans and he's going to upset Democrats because at the end of the day, he's going to cut a deal that he feels is best for the American people.
PAUL: So do you think he is deflatable on DACA?
DENNARD: I think this president is open to all things that comes to his -- but at the end of the day he's going to make the best decision for the American people but he is open to all different types of --
BLACKWELL: I don't want to...
BLACKWELL: ... this moment at the town hall between Speaker Paul Ryan and Angelica Villalobos who is the woman who is protected by DACA. And she asked, am I a part of your American? I'm paraphrasing here.
And the speaker said, yes. We hope your future is here. It's a completely different page than what we're hearing from Donald Trump (INAUDIBLE).
JONES: It is but he also said, we hope your future is here.
JONES: I mean, I think there is a lot of fear, there's a lot of uncertainty. There's also some defiance in the immigrants' rights community.
I went to a protest scheduled -- that was staged before -- a week before the inauguration festivities and there were a lot of immigrant activists talking about how we are here to stay and we are going to fight Donald Trump's efforts -- President Trump's effort to deport millions of people. And so these are people who are waking up, they said they're waking up in fear, worried that maybe they should not maybe leave the house, maybe they shouldn't go to school. We're talking about these DACA -- these young children who were brought in by their parents to the country and they had been protected under DACA, so there is fear but there is also defiance.
The message at that rally was resistance. I heard resistance -- the word resistance over and over again, unity, they talked about how they were going to provide safe spaces...
JONES: ... if these young children or young people are told to leave the country, these immigrant rights groups are already planning on ways to shield them.
BLACKWELL: And (INAUDIBLE) sanctuary cities what we've heard from the president.
BOLDEN: Yes, absolutely.
Here's the problem with this immigration. His biggest problem is going to be Congress, OK? Because over 600 elected officials are there. They grappled with this immigration plan for several years and have not gotten a deal done.
Donald Trump not being a politician, this may be a problem for him -- for him because this is going to be the ultimate deal, and there are more skilled politicians on that hill than he is. We will have to see.
The other thing is, remember, these are immigrants are in states states that are going to have elections, states where these immigrants many of them are voting, not the illegal immigrants and that's going to be on the minds of Congress and the senators as well. So we'll have to see. We haven't talked about paying for the wall yet. But I got to tell you --
DENNARD: Mexico is going to pay for it.
BOLDEN: Mexico is not going to pay for the wall.
DENNARD: Mexico is going to pay for the wall.
BOLDEN: They said -- they said it several times. And in 2006 we passed legislation but unfunded the wall or fence already. Democrats and Republicans have unfunding that for 10 years, how is Donald Trump going to get them to do that and how is it going to get Mexico even if the immigrants are here sending money back, they're taxing them under the Patriot Act, it's not going to happen.
BOLDEN: It's illegal.
PAUL: Well, real quickly. Let's play sound 11 from Trump's inaugural speech here, real quick here please.
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TRUMP: We will seek friendship and goodwill with the nations of the world, but we do so with the understanding that it is the right of all nations to put their own interests first. We do not seek to impose our way of life on anyone, but rather to let it shine as an example, we will shine for everyone to follow.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PAUL: So, Mark, that sounded like a contradiction. We will not impose our views, but you are going to pay for this wall.
PRESTON: Right. So, I mean, when I heard the speech I thought of two things. I thought it was -- it had a very big populist message in it but it had a collision of nationalism as well, and I think they hit very hard. And to your point, too, you know, I think that Donald Trump, when he was delivering that, he was really delivering a message. I mean, I think all of us here, as we sit here believe that Donald Trump believes what he says what he says he's going to do having said that.
JONES (ph): The moment he says it, at least.
BOLDEN (ph): On Twitter.
PRESTON: Whether he is going to be successful or not, I mean, remains to be seen. But one more thing is that -- we're not going to, you know, impose our values on people. When I heard that I thought about democracy building, is he saying that we're not going to go out and continue to spread democracy throughout the world? Because in the end, that is the role of the United States, whether we like that or not.
LORD: I think -- I think what he is saying is he's sending a message that the neo-conservatives approach that we are just going to run around the world. And here's the difference, Mark, between being an inspiration to countries and sending in troops and saying, by God, we are going to rebuild your country.
(INAUDIBLE) you know, there was a U.N. --
PRESTON: That is required though. In some -- in some cases that is required that the United States has to take a leadership role. And believe me, I don't want to send our young men and women overseas, absolutely not, I mean -- but the bottom line is is that people do look to the United States for inspiration.
LORD: I understand. I understand. There was a U.S. senator whose name is Casey (ph) back in like 1950 (ph) who said we were going to -- I think he was talking about Korea -- we're going to lift it up and up and up until it becomes just like Kansas City.
I mean, we can't be running around the world trying to make the entire world Kansas City.
BLACKWELL: Well, when some people say democracy building others here nation building, which other people are against.
DENNARD: Yes, right.
BLACKWELL: We got to wrap it here. Thank you, everyone -- Athena, Mark, Jeffrey, Maria, Paris, A. Scott, John Boy.
DENNARD (ph): Thank you.
(LAUGHTER) BLACKWELL: Whoever is the --
PAUL: Good night, John Boy.
LORD (ph): Good morning.
PAUL: Good morning. We're back in just a moment. Stay close.
BLACKWELL: Just a quick break.
BLACKWELL: Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu will be calling President Trump today and it's likely they will talk about the Iran nuclear deal. The two share the belief that the deal is a bad one.
PAUL: President Trump will soon be hearing from another world leader who is showing support, Theresa May will get to speak with the president in person though. The British prime minister set to visit with President Trump at the end of this week.
Here's more from the British leader talking to the BBC today.
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THERESA MAY, BRITISH PRIME MINISTER: Yes, I'm going to be at the end of the week. And I should be meeting him on Friday and talking to him on Friday.
There will be many issues for us to talk about, because obviously the special relationship between the U.K. and the U.S. has been strong for many years. We will have opportunity to talk about our possible future trading relationship but also some of the world's challenges that we all face, issues like defeating terrorism, there's a conflict in Syria.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PAUL: Now we should point out Russia has also scheduled its time with the new president, President Trump, of course, and the Kremlin's spokesman says President Vladimir Putin will be calling President Trump in the coming days.
Let's go to Jill Dougherty who is in Moscow. Jill, what are you -- what are learning about that and how is this playing out in Russia?
JILL DOUGHERTY, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: Yes. Well, you know, they are not saying precisely when he will call. They are saying there of course will be a call pretty soon because after all, that's part of diplomacy and protocol. They also say that they hope that there will be a meeting between President Putin and President Trump but there was kind of a little caveat there saying that it could actually take several months. And then an interesting thing this morning on TV, we saw the prime minister, Mr. Medvedev, talking to a party in Congress, and he said essentially that he was kind of downplaying the possibility that sanctions would be lifted, that is one thing, of course, Vladimir Putin apparently would hope from President Trump.
But the prime minister saying, "It's time to part with the illusions that sanctions will be lifted. Apparently they will last long and we shouldn't rely on -- (INAUDIBLE) the arrival of new foreign heads of foreign governments to change that."
So that was an interesting kind of a side and we'll have to see how that works out -- Christi -- Victor --
BLACKWELL: Jill, I wonder, as we yesterday saw the millions, a million plus at least, people in 600 cities around the world demonstrate for women's rights, some of them anti-Trump demonstrators, other there for other reasons. How did that play in Moscow? I mean, how was this being broadcast there?
DOUGHERTY: You know, it depended. In the beginning there was a lot of emphasis, I'd have to say, on those violent demonstrations. Quite a lot of attention paid to that. But then when the women's march came in they initially did not pay quite as much attention, but this morning on the news, a lot of, you know, coverage of that. I would say, it was covered pretty objectively for the most part, but there is an under tone.
And I will just give you a little bit of that. There is a member of parliament, Alexey (ph) Pushkov (ph). We've quoted him quite a lot. He tweets a lot, and he said -- he was mentioning Madonna who actually is quite well-known here in Russia, not for good reasons particularly, and he said the demonically possessed Madonna is not a threat for Trump but the conflict with the "dishonest media" -- which he put in quotes -- which has declared war on Trump a long time ago will become a part of his presidency.
So there is a lot of attention to how the media, the American media are covering this and I think you'd have to say that the approach is that the American media really are out to get President Trump. Back to you.
BLACKWELL: All right, Jill Dougherty for us there in Moscow. Thank you so much.
PAUL: Thank you, Jill, and thank you for sharing part of your morning with us.
BLACKWELL: We have a lot more ahead in the next hour of your NEW DAY. It starts right after a quick break.