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North Korea Test Trump With Missile Launch; ICE Arrest Sends Many Into Shadows; ICE Raids Are Routine Enforcement; White House Adviser Defends Trump's Travel Ban; Mounting Problems From Trump's Labor Pick; President Trump Set To Fly Home To Washington; Schumer: Puzder's Nomination Is Anti-Worker; Louisville Rocked 52 Overdose Calls In 32 Hours; Texas Governor Blocks Funds To Sanctuary City Austin; Jon Bon Jovi Serves Up Hope. Aired 5-6p ET

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[17:00:00] ANA CABRERA, CNN ANCHOR: The launch comes just three weeks into Trump's presidency, and experts say it's no coincidence that happen during the visit from Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, officials say the missile traveled roughly 100 miles before splashing into the sea of Japan. Last night President Trump and Prime Minister Abe put on a united front while addressing the world, the president saying very little, but affirming that the United States stands behind its ally, 100 percent.

CNN Global Affairs Correspondent Elise Labott has been following this story from the moment that we first learned of this launch has lift. Has the White House sense mention anything planned to respond to this launched?

ELISE LABOTT, CNN GLOBAL AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT: Well I think you saw just a very short statement by the president last month because he wasn't with his advisors, they haven't had a chance to huddle together and clearly I think that statement was really designed for Prime Minister Abe's benefit, to show the strength of the U.S. Commitment to Japan, but obviously as the president talked with his advisors overnight, a little bit more of a stronger message of coming out this morning from White House policy director, Steven Miller, talking on the Sunday morning shows, takes a listen.


STEPHEN MILLER, SENIOR POLICY ADVISOR TO PRESIDENT TRUMP: The message we're sending to the world right now is a message of strength and solidarity, we stand with Japan and we stand with our allies in the region to address the North Korean menace, the important point is that we're inheriting a situation around the world that is as challenging as anything we have seen in our lives, the situation in North Korea, the situation in Syria, the situation in Yemen, these are complex and difficult challenges, and that is why President Trump is displaying the strength of America to the withhold world, and that is why we're going to begin a process of rebuilding our depleted defense capabilities.


LABOTT: I think very pertinent is building those defense capabilities, you saw last week Defense Secretary Jim Mattis in the region, after all that bombast from President Trump on the campaign trail, about reducing the commitment to south Korea and Japan, I think goading North Korea since its election, I think now that he is in office the reality of governing starting to him. This is a test for the first national security test for the president and I think it's really just the beginning, Anna, because not only just North Korea wants to, you know, make its presence known, test this new president, this missile program, this is a testing program, and while this was an intermediate range missile we have been talking about, not that intercontinental long range ballistic missile that North Korea has been threatening about, they're continuing with every test to start developing their missile capability. So soon, you know U.S commanders in the Pacific had warned that if the administration does not do something, that soon North Korea will have that nuclear weapon and be able to marry it with a long range missile that could threaten the continental of United States. So this is clearly this is one of the greatest national security threats facing this new president, Anna.

CABRERA: All right Elise Labott, we'll wait to see what more happens in the coming days, thank you. When it comes to North Korea's missile program, what exactly is the country capable is of and what options does the U.S. have in confronting an often hostile and unpredictable leader. To help answer that, I am joined by Jim Walsh. Jim is an International Security Analyst and a Research Associate at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Jim, thanks for being here, this missile went roughly 300 miles or so before it ended up in the Sea of Japan, we know North Korea is capable of launching longer range missiles, what was the point of this one?

JIM WALSH, INTERNATIONAL SECURITY ANALYST: Well, for a while now, for some years, but particularly under a young Kim, North Korea has undertaken a more aggressive missile program. Those nuclear and missiles last year long they have more than 20 missile test. In some ways, this is sort of the new normal, where he will regularly test missiles. It remains to be seen, which missile, precisely it was, we will have better data in the next few days, we might be able to pickup parts of it and the ocean pluck out some of the parts that crashed into the sea, but it's two steps forward and one step back, they have failures, but they have made progress, moving from liquid fuel to solid fuel. They have all sorts of different missiles in terms of range and each of those is progressing on its own way, not all the missiles are the same.

I know that there's this emphasis on intercontinental ballistic missiles, because some day, they might be able to reach the U.S. I think it's a mistake, because it both understates the threat and it overstates it. It overstates it because I don't think they're going to have that capability for a while. But it understates it because we have thousands of U.S. Troops, more than 20,000 troops in Korea and thousands more in Japan. You know those boats were attacked, that is an attack on the U.S. so they don't have to wait till they build an ICBM, they have a senses that this is a press in national security issue right now, that those folks are in the crosshair, theoretically. {17:05: 16] CABRERA: We did hear Kim Jong-un, earlier this year on

January 1, saying they should have an ICBM ready soon, was his word. What can you tell us as far as what you know of their missile program right now? Spell it out loud and clear, does North Korea have a missile that could reach the U.S.

WALSH: No. I have been skeptical about this. It was supposed to happen by 2015, it didn't happen by 2015. Not all missiles are equally difficult to produce. And an Intercontinental ballistic missile which actually enters into space and comes back in to earth's atmosphere, that is the most difficult of all. It's one thing to launch a missile over the horizon, it's another thing to launch a missile, taken to the tip a missile taken into space and have it re- enter and deliver its package where it's supposed to. Remember you can't press a button and have this thing go off and it comes crashing back down. It requires the highest levels of engineering reliability, so that is why I say, both, I'm not so worried about the ICBM thing, but also, that is not -- should be the focus. If they wanted to, North Korea could put a bomb on a plane, which all first generation nuclear states use as their delivery platform is planes not missiles and they could drop a bomb in South Korea or Japan. So the danger is already here. We don't have to wait for the ICBM and the question is what are you going to do about it? And most of the policy tools are not very good, but this president has a chance to do something new that others haven't. And partly that is just because he is the new guy in office, so he gets sort of a do over on everything he did before. So he could put on sanctions, we have had lots of sanctions, I don't think that is a game changer, he could negotiate with the North Koreans. He is the deal maker. Well there is a deal to be made here, obviously that would be very difficult.

CABRERA: What leverage does the U.S. have?

WALSH: I don't know so much whether it's they can punish him anymore. Because we're pretty -- I have friends on Capitol Hill who say we can still sanction him a little bit more. But essentially you're squeezing a stone at this point, there's nothing gigantic that is going to change the sanction situation, because it's China on which they depend on economically, not the United States. So we could rally our allies and support them, that is what they've been doing the last couple of days, but what we can do is say, if you decide to freeze or change your nuclear behavior, would you make things better for you, you know we can't squeeze anymore out of you, but if you stop doing this, you can be on a path that is a better path for you.

CABRERA: Hasn't that been tried before, where back in the earlier 2000s, there were these two-party talks, around the mid 2005 to 2009, and it's not been effective. Clearly they continue to develop their missile program.

WALSH: Well they developed them in the absence of the agreement, hardly even in the point that you rightfully, remind yourself was the 1990 -- have the agreed frame work from the 1990s, so we had an agreement with North Korea that was negotiated under the Clinton administration, in which North Korea froze, shut down and froze it's plutonium reactor, so it wasn't producing anymore nuclear material, and put a monitorial on long range missile test. So they couldn't test an ICBM. Now that lasted for about eight years and that fell apart from lots of different reasons on both sides, but the reality is for those eight years that program was frozen and those tests were frozen. And frankly I prefer that sort of situation than an unconstrained North Korea was making progress in their nuclear missile program. I think a freeze would probably, a preferred option.

CABRERA: Obviously this is a different leader. Real quick, before I let you go, Jim, do you think President Trump would take the unprecedented move and meet with Kim Jong-un?

WALSH: I think with both of these guys anything is possible. In some ways, they're both known for being brash and making wild statements and whatever. But I think they both played this so far, pretty cautiously. North Korea did not test an ICBM and the Trump administration did not respond wildly, so I think there's actually some chance, it would be a mistake to go straight to negotiations, but the North Koreans has a diplomat in New York, you can begin quiet discussions and see, you sort of test the waters and then if things start to make progress, they could make it known. But you don't know that unless you try. And that is why I think, you can keep this in quarters, one of the policy errors they might use.

CABRERA: All right. Jim Walsh thank for your expertise and sharing with us.

WALSH: Thank you.

CABRERA: It's a busy day here in the newsroom, ahead in this hour, in the shadows, fear sweeping immigrant communities across the U.S. as uncertainty over President Trump's travel ban looms and the lawmaker who wants California to become a sanctuary state, joins me live next.

[17:10:17] Then later, overdosed outrage, dozens of heroin cases in a single day, puts one American City on edge. We will take you live to the heart of an epidemic. Stay with us, you're live in the CNN newsroom.


CABRERA: President Trump is defending the immigration rave in 12 states. He called it a crackdown that fulfills the campaign promise. More than 500 undocumented immigrants are in custody. Protests are now erupting yet Federal Immigration officials insist this raids are routine enforcement and mainly targeting violent criminals. An immigration advocates aren't so sure saying the raids swept up many without criminal record. Let's talked it over with Kevin de Leon, he is the California State Senate President. He is the first Latino leader of the state senate there. Let me say raise you something sir, that you said last week to your senate colleague and I quote, half of my family would be eligible for deportation under the executive order, because they got a false Social Security Card, they got a false I.D., they got a false driver's license prior to us passing AB 80, they got a false green card. That's what you need to survive to work. Sir what compels you to say that to draw attention to your family members. KEVIN DE LEON, CALIFORNIA STATE SENATE PRESIDENT: Well let me say

this, Anna and I'm glad that you're giving me actually an opportunity to make a very important clarification, at one time, obviously, there was numerous members of my family that were undocumented and eventually they became legal permanent residents and eventually U.S. citizens of the country. There was a legal dissemination by, but let me say this, this is quite common, so many immigrants who have come to this country have to secure either social security or a driver's license or a green card in order to survive, in order to work. This is quite common, because we are talking about nannies, we are talking about women who take care of our children, we are talking about housekeepers, we are talking about gardeners, people who work in construction, this is a lot more common than Americans actually think in order to survive, because quite frankly, we do have a congress that have abdicated the responsibility take your business and security compliance to immigration reform package, so we can deal with the issue of illegal immigration, to get these people out of the shadowing's and into the fabric of our society.

[17:15:42] CABRERA: I hear what you are saying about this being a relatively common process in many ways, because their livelihood depends on it. There's this admission that people are using false documents to be in this country, which is why some people are demanding increased immigration enforcement. What about the risk of potential terrorist entry in the country illegally and using false documents to stay here. What do you tell those critics?

DE LEON: Well I can say this Ana is that the executive orders by the president are not going to make our nation safer, they're not going to bring jobs back and surely not going to grow this economy. The reality is the president as well as the congress has to move forward sooner rather than later with a comprehensive immigration reform package. When you attack immigrants, when you attack mothers and fathers who are hard working or law abiding residents and taxpayers of the state like California, you're actually undermining our economy. We are the sixth largest economy in the world. When you attack immigrants, many of whom are laws abiding, who work very hard, you're actually undermining our economy. And when you attack immigrants, many of them are innocent, who are law abiding, who pay their taxes, work very hard, you actually undermining the national economy of United States of America, because the President Trump has promise to go out to a so called dangerous felons and criminals, by using this as a guide by expanding his criteria of the executive order to go out for hardworking mothers and fathers and that simply put, that is not American, actually those are not the values of the state like California.

CABRERA: The officials that are in the Los Angeles area say that 150 out of the 160 people who they arrested in their raids were in fact violent criminals, some who had child sex crimes on their records. Assault, weapons charges, you're not saying they should be allowed to stay in the U.S., are you?

DE LEON: No. Let me be clear, there's no vagueness, there's no argument at all, whatsoever for many Democrats or Republicans from removing individuals who are dangerous elements within our own neighborhoods, within our own communities, within our state and nation. Please move forward and go ahead and do so. Be let me be very clear, I want to underscore the following, the vast majority of immigrants are hard working people, law abiding tax payer residents whose mothers and fathers, and the panic levels has risen very high on communities in California and throughout. You have mothers, you have children right now whose stress levels are through the roof right now and that is not healthy for any child, and it's not healthy for any nation, when a young girl panics or is fearful that when she waits on the curb side for her mother to pick her up after school, and her mother may actually not come up and she will not arrive and pick her up because she is been detained and eventually deported by ICE Agents.

CABRERA: I hear what you're saying and I can't help but be sympathetic when you describe those children who are affected by all this. I come from a family of Mexican immigrants into this country as well. I want to ask you about the bill that you are sponsoring there in the state legislature that would essentially prevent local and state police from helping ICE agents with the deportation process. A lot of people are calling it a sanctuary state bill, explain how this would work.

DE LEON: Well, the objective is very simple, is that we're not going to allow the federal government and quite specifically, we're not going to be a cog in the Trump deportation machine by commandeering our local tax dollars, our state tax dollars to fulfill the mission of the federal government, I'm keenly aware that immigration law and enforcement is the sole exclusive jurisdiction of the federal government, they will do their job, but they will not be allowed to commandeer local police departments or local sheriffs or highway patrol to fulfill their jobs and their responsibilities in the duties of federal immigration officers, that is not the purpose of police officers, police officers are to serve and protect our community, irrespective of who you are and where you come from. And there's a very fine line. We don't prevent federal immigration officers from doing their job. They need to do their job. But they are not going to use our tax dollars and they can be very clear about one thing, Trump is not going to use us as a cog in his deportation machine. We won't lift a finger, nor will we spend a single cent to do so.

CABRERA: All right, Kevin Leon, thank you for joining us.

DE LEON: Ana, thank you very much.

[17:20:00] CABRERA: Straight ahead, you're looking at live pictures right now of Palm Beach international airport, where President Trump is set to fly home to Washington in any moment as questions are swirling still over what is next for that controversial travel ban. What his Senior White House Advisor is saying about plans to reinstate it has we head live to Palm Beach next. You're watching live the CNN newsroom.


CABRERA: A White House Senior Advisor Stephen Miller defends President Trump's travel ban earlier today. He is one of the architects of that executive order and said the administration is quote, considering and pursuing all options to reinstate the ban. So we will be watching for actions on that in the next day or two, right now the President is wrapping up his weekend getaway with the Japanese Prime Minister at Mar-a-Lago. He heads back to Washington tonight, ahead of the meeting with the Canadian Prime Minister tomorrow, let's bring in CNN White House Correspondent Athena Jones with more details. Athena, Stephen Miller had a few heated exchange on the Sunday Morning Show today, what can we expect from Donald Trump and the administration on this ban and when?

ATHENA JONES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Anna, that is right, he did have several heated exchanges on several topics, on several of the Sunday morning shows. That is the big question right now, the administration has said that they are taking various routes, they're looking at all options, the president told reporters traveling down here with him on Friday that he could file a brand new order as soon as tomorrow, but they're also talking about defying it in court. Let's just go ahead and play what the Senior Policy Advisor Stephen Miller had to say on Fox News Sunday and then talk about and you decide.


[17:25:14] MILLER: We have equal branches of government in this country, the judiciary is not supreme. A district judge in Seattle cannot force the President of the United States to change our laws and our constitution because of their own personal views.


JONES: Stephen Miller argued in that interview and many other interviews today that the president is entirely within his statutory and constitutional rights, he cited article two of the constitution in one interview, at least, and he believes that this move by the president is not reviewable. And that of course is something that the ninth circuit court of appeals did not agree with. But this is the White House stands and the real question is how soon any move will come, Ana.

CABRERA: All right Athena Jones is traveling with the president, thank you. Coming up, the president's pick to lead the labor department finally gets a hearing date, but will his position on minimum wage and worker benefit, derail his nomination? We'll talk about it with an economist Ben Stein.


CABRERA: Let's take you live to Florida now, this are live pictures right now with Air Force One at Palm Beach International Airport in Florida, this where President Trump is on board and set to return to Washington tonight, after the weekend there at the Mar-a-Lago resort with the Prime Minister of Japan Shinzo Abe as well as their wives. He has a busy week ahead. We know the president is set to meet with Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on Monday. And he also meets with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu this week on Wednesday. We have live pictures right now in Florida and Air Force One.

Welcome back I am Ana Cabrera, seven members of President Trump's cabinet are confirmed, eight more to go on tap this week, a confirmation hearing for Andrew Puzder, Trump's pick for labor secretary. That hearing has been cancelled already four times. There could be some fireworks on this one, here is why, he is the CEO of the parent company Carl's Jr. And he is also taken criticism for employing an undocumented immigrant in his home. Now he also has a long record of opposing government regulations, coming out against proposals for a $15 minimum wage, broader overtime pay and the affordable care acts. And then there are the complains against his company, dozens of complaints alleging everything from wage to sexual harassments, so Democrats are calling on the presidential withdraw Puzder's nomination or risk further embarrassment.


[17:30:51]CHUCK SCHUMER, INCOMING SENATE MINORITY LEADER: Donald Trump has an amazing goal, to have campaigned the way he did, and then put this man as nominee for secretary of labor. The idea that you can say one thing and do another and get away with it is embodied in the nomination of Andrew Puzder, one of the most anti-worker nominees to any cabinet position and probably the most anti-worker nominee to the Department of Labor, ever.


CABRERA: Joining me now, famed economist Ben Stein, Ben, do you personally have concerns about Ben Puzder.

BEN STEIN, FAMED ECONOMIST: Well he would not have been my first choice. I do want to say I love Carl's Jr. chicken sandwiches, they are great sandwiches, but look, he had an entirely different mission as head of this giant restaurant company, which is to keep wages low and a very, very competitive, he got to be able to put the products on the counter at a lowest possible price. He is obviously a terribly intelligent man, and his brief is to improve a lot of American workers. He is opposed to the $15 an hour minimum wage, almost everyone is opposed to that except in a very few left wing proposals, by the way, I'm not opposed to it. As to the Super Bowl commercial, I mean that is a joke, that cannot be seriously be held against him, this is a man trying to sell hamburgers, it's certainly not wrong to show an attractive woman in a bikini to try to sell hamburgers. He is a terribly smart guy. He would not be my first choice, but he is a smart guy, I think the president knows the difference in his choices.

CABRERA: When you talk about the commercial, the women in bikinis, you can argue that he is sexualizing, objectifying women through those commercials, so there's a character issue there.

STEIN: Could I stop you right there, madam? Because that is what all TV is. All TV is sexualizing and objectifying women. And I have to say, as --

CABRERA: Does it make it right.

STEIN: It doesn't make it right, well, I don't know, maybe it the does make it standard practice in America. If you were to hold that against every person who's ever done it, I these you're going to be holding a lot of big people in the screen actors guild and the motion picture academy is very much responsible too. I agree, it's a real problem, it is a genuine problem and the objectifying and sexualizing of women, especially at a very early age is extremely distasteful. But he was selling hamburgers and I think to hold that against him as an administrative officer of the U.S government just makes no sense at all.

CABRERA: Ok. Back to job, let go back to the labor department secretary position that he is up. Puzder has talked about automation as the wave of the future, describing machine this is way, and I quote, they're always polite, they always up sell, they never take a vacation, they never show up late there's never a slip and fall or an age or sex discrimination case. So Ben, if it is all about automation, should Americans be worried it could be a job killer?

STEIN: I don't think he is all about, the thing is that is the wave of the future, if you look at the data, these enormous amounts of job losses in factories in manufacturing have to do much more with manufacturing than with jobs being deported to Mexico or to China. Automation is just a fact of life, it's got to happen, that is just the way life is, I don't think him saying I'm going to fire all these people and have machines and robots take your order at Carl's Jr., but by the way, he might, it's already happening at McDonald's. It doesn't mean he is a poor choice. It means he recognize the reality. Again he would not have been my first choice, but he is not reflecting anything more than a prevailing view of what the labor market is and what restaurant merchandising is in American today. He is not a bad guy for saying the facts about what life is like in the restaurant business.

CABRERA: I want to get into our expertise when it comes to the economy and how things work with unemployment and employment. Puzder has written a number of opinion pieces blasting how the bureau of labor statistics calculate the national employment rate, writing back in 2012, if you're trying to measure whether the economy is creating jobs, the unemployment rate alone is a poor indicator. Do you agree?

[17:35:12] STEIN: No, I do not agree, that has been a constant theme, people who don't really know statistics very well. The calculations of the bureau of labor statistics are incredibly good. I think is that somehow they're manipulating the numbers and the numbers are unreliable, is simply not true and I am sorry to say that Mr. Trump has used the same theme and I don't think it's true. Mr. Trump was lucky enough to inherit a very strong economy from Mr. Obama. I don't think the economy, I don't think that this are phantom or fictionalized numbers, I think the economy really is very strong, although I have very serious problems of Obama's policies, his handling of the economy was quite good.

CABRERA: All right Ben Stein, we appreciate your time, thank you for your time.

STEIN: Thank you very much.

CABRERA: Still to come, the number is staggering, 52 overdoses mostly heroin in just a few hours in Louisville. Our Rachel Crane went to this Kentucky City, she talk to a mother whose son lost his life in his battle of heroin addiction. Her story next, you are live in the CNN Newsroom.


CABRERA: It's a widespread problem in cities all over this country, but right now, we're talking about Louisville, Kentucky. In just 32 hours there, officials responded to 52 overdose calls, most of them heroin. That is more than double the number of calls they got in this same time frame just the week before. Rachel Crane is live in Louisville, and Rachel, what are you learning and seeing on the ground there regarding these heroin overdoses.

[17:40:22] RACHEL CRANE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Those numbers that you quote, while of course, very alarming, they really don't tell the full story here, the one that you get when you're on the ground speaking to the people that are impacted by this horrible epidemic. I spent the morning with two mothers of children that have battled substance of use for years. Their stories are heart breaking.


ARLENE RICE, MOTHER OF HEROINE ADDICTION VICTIMS: This is Gabriel's ashes. I love you. I kiss him all the time.

CRANE: Arlene Rice knows all too well the toll the opioid epidemic is taking on families across the country.

RICE: It's been very devastating to our family. We will never be the same. We will never be whole.

CRANE: She lost her son Gabriel nearly four years ago to a heroin overdose. Of her four children, three have battled substance abuse.

RICE: He is the best boy. We always say, I love that boy and he was the best kid. Even up until -- we were close up until the day he died.

CRANE: Janice's Durbin son Jason has been fighting addiction for more than 20 years. He is currently in a treatment center.

JANICE DURBIN, MOTHER OF HEROINE ADDICTION VICTIMS: The guilt is the worst, I think, because you think what did I do wrong? Or should I have done this better or that better. Because everybody wants to tell you do tough love. And until they have a child who has an issue with addiction, they don't know what that means.

CRANE: Louisville, Kentucky is the latest city to experience a spiking heroin overdoses. This week, officials respond to 52 overdose call in just 32 hours, would have been double the amount from the week before at the same time stand.

DURBIN: It really makes you sick. That is the first thing -- just seems like there's nothing working or nothing being done.

CRANE: It is not just the parents who feel frustrated. E.R. doctors here are overwhelmed with patients. In January alone, metro emergency services answered 695 overdose calls. That is 22 a day. Many of those patients are transported to Norton Audbahn Hospital.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We see it every day. It's a very good day in the emergency department, if I don't see a heroin overdose. Now it is unusual if we don't have them. It is a very good day in the Emergency Department if I don't see a heroin overdose.

CRANE: And how often are those days?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I haven't had one of those days in a long time.

CRANE: His worst day, this past fall when he treated nine overdoses in one shift.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It is just an incredible burden on the healthcare system.

CRANE: According to Dr. Couch, doctors are administering higher doses of the drug called Naloxone, a medicine that is used to treat opioid overdoses, that is because the heroin is getting stronger and stronger. That is why people like Arlene that never leaves home without her Naloxone, also known as Narcan. She says she carries it with her lipstick.

RICE: I never got to tell him how sorry I was.

CRANE: How sorry you were for what?

RICE: For not understanding his plight.

CRANE: And for that, Arlene is now an advocate for those fighting substance abuse.

RICE: There does come a point where you sometimes wear down, but then you get back up and you fight, you're like, I am not going to let this win, I will fight until the day that I die to try to ensure that someone else's child doesn't die. I can't save all of them, but maybe one.


CRANE: Now one of the ways Arlene is hoping to fight this epidemic is with is Narcan. She has co-founded the foundation which has already distributed more than 3,000 of these kits.

CABRERA: Rachel Crane, my heart hurts for that mom. Thank you for sharing their story and Shedding light on this important issue.

Still to come, Austin, Texas, in the crosshairs of the immigration battle, how a clash between the governor there and the local sheriff is costing the city money use to help veterans. We are live in the CNN Newsroom.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) [17:48:30] CABRERA: Let's head to Texas. The governor and the

sheriff of Austin are going head to head over which undocumented immigrants should be turned over to the feds. For the first time governor Greg Abbott blocked one a half million dollars in state funds to Austin, after the sheriff announce she would not hold undocumented immigrants if they haven't committed a violent crime. CNN reports this whole state fund now puts 14 county jobs on the chopping block including two staff members who ran the veterans court program.

ROSA FLORES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: This combat veteran, a U.S. citizen was on the ground in Iraq in 2003. He came home only to fight another battle, PTSD. His coping mechanism was drinking which led to a dui.

SCOTT, U.S VETERAN: I was pulled over, given a field sobriety test, took a breathalyzer.

FLORES: He wants to go by Scott and doesn't want to show his face, because his lively hood is currently at risk of all things, over immigration.

SCOTT: I did something wrong, I admit that. I wish I wasn't caught in this political game of chess.

FLORES: It starts with freshly minted Travis County Sherriff Sally Hernandez who rolled out a new softer immigration detainer policy February 1.

SALLY HERNANDEZ, TRAVIS COUNTY SHERRIFF: When people are fearful that they're going to be deported or they're going to lose their families, they do not want to cooperate with police.

FLORES: Under her policy, ICE is required to file a warrant to detained undocumented immigrants, unless they are charge with violent crimes like murder, aggravated sexual assault or human trafficking.

[17:50:05] HERNANDEZ: Our focus is not on taking care of immigration business. Our focus is on taking care of our community and keeping our community safe.

FLORES: The move enraged Texas governor Gregg Abbot, who cut off $1.5 million in criminal justice defense grants to Travis County. He is also pushing a statewide Sanctuary City ban. The cops don't hurt the sheriff directly and instead it put 14 county jobs on the chopping block including social service workers and even the two staffers that run the veterans court program which helps vet like Scott to get a second chance.

The program put vets to a rigorous monitoring plan. The end goal, recovery and a clean record which Scott says he needs to apply for jobs. Now the future of the program is unclear.

SCOTT: The system that I fought for is now the one that is causing me the greatest jeopardy.

FLORES: Governor Abbott points the finger back at the sheriff telling Fox News her policies could dangerous criminals out on the street. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You are going to give sanctuary to people who were

in the United States illegally.

FLORES: Governor Abbott declined CNN request for an interview, instead forwarding this letter address to the counties saying in part. Our office will not continue to funnel state taxpayer dollars to a local government whose illegal policies reach the very grant agreement that is the source of those funds.

HERNANDEZ: I am opposing the law and the constitution.

SCOTT: It's devastating. It was a rash decision made by the governor's office without looking at the outcome, but it's harming the people who have the greatest need.

FLORES: Rosa Flores, CNN, Austin.

CABRERA: Still ahead President Trump flying home to Washington right now after a weekend of North Korea testing a ballistic missile and the president confronting the first major foreign policy crisis of his presidency. And take a look here, a live look at the Grammys red carpet. We'll head live to L.A. coming up.


[17:56:12] CABRERA: You may know her as a celebrity entertainer, and a global icon, but Grammy award winning artist John Bon Jovi also tops the charts feeding America's hungry. We see how he impacts your world one soul at a time.

This may look like a trendy restaurant, but it's actually a unique movement to feed those in need.

JON BON JOVI, SINGER: I thought how we can bring people together in an affordable accessible way. We focused on the issue of homelessness and then housing and food securities. It was one soul at a time.

CABRERA: Welcome to the JBJ soul kitchen with two locations, here each meal is a mission.

BON JOVI: We have created, what we now call it, pay it forward motto.

CABRERA: That would be some way to participate and help us.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A nonprofit within the Rocker Jon Bon Jovi soul foundation, this community kitchen welcomes everyone at the table regardless of their ability to pay.

BON JOVI: There are no prices on the menu. If you're in fact in need, you volunteer. That pays for a meal for you and for your family.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And there are some bread and butter.

BON JOVI: Should you choose to enjoy a meal, you suggest you buy a pay it forward card, so that you not only affected change by paying from your meal, but the one next to you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You don't know if someone is dining here, because they are in need or to pay it forward. Everyone is treated the same.

BON JOVI: It's the key to our success is empowering the individual.

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