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Debate Over Brexit Bill in U.K.; No to Trump's State Visit; New Immigration Policy Soon Coming Out; Reassuring European Allies; Protests Over Trump's Policies; Plane Crashed in Melbourne; Taking Back Mosul; Morning Accident; Hoping for Peace; Take Two of Trump's Travel Ban; A Promise of Hope; Seeking Justice. Aired 3-4a ET

Aired February 21, 2017 - 03:00   ET



[03:00:00] ROSEMARY CHURCH, CNN ANCHOR: Donald Trump's team tries to explain the president's foreign policy to allies abroad.

And taking aim at ISIS. The Iraqi government latest push to retake the major city of Mosul.

Plus, a message to President Trump from Syrian refugees at a camp in Jordan. Their take on America's tightening border.

Hello and welcome to all our viewers all around the world. I'm Rosemary Church, and this is CNN NEWSROOM.

Well, the holiday weekend is over for U.S. President Donald Trump. He is back in Washington and would try to turn things around after a pretty rough start. Mr. Trump has chosen his new national security adviser, Army Lieutenant General H.R. McMaster is known for speaking against political interests.


DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: He's a man of tremendous talent and tremendous experience. I watched and read a lot over the last two days. He is highly respected by everybody in the military. And we're very honored to have him.


CHURCH: And Mr. Trump is expected to roll out a revised travel ban this week. He says the plan will be designed to please the court that pause his previous executive order.

The Trump administration is also expected to release guidelines that will make it harder to seek asylum, allow for faster deportations of some undocumented immigrants and give more authority to immigration officers.

In the meantime, Vice President Mike Pence is back in the United States after wrapping up his European tour. He was trying to calm concerns about American foreign policy under President Trump.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Who should European leaders listen, to you or President Trump, and can they be certain that what you say the assurances you give won't be contradicted in the tweets or a statement to the press conference tomorrow?

MIKE PENCE, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: As I said today through many leaders, we look forward to working across the channel with all parties and years ahead on behalf of peace and prosperity.


CHURCH: And Vice President Pence isn't the only one try to reassure key U.S. allies. Donald Trump's Defense Secretary James Mattis paid a visit to Iraq on Monday, even before he arrive he spoke out about whether Washington wants Iraq's oil.

CNN's Michelle Kosinski reports.

MICHELLE KOSINSKI, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: The fight against ISIS in Iraq enters a new offensive. Defense Secretary James Mattis in Baghdad to meet with leaders he feels it's necessary to add this.


JAMES MATTIS, UNITED STATES SECRETARY OF DEFENSE: We're not in Iraq to see anybody's oil.


KOSINSKI: The reason why, the president.


TRUMP: We should have kept the oil, but OK. Maybe we'll have enough a chance.


KOSINSKI: And as Russia flexes its muscle in Eastern Europe as well as recent provocations against the United States, the vice president is in Europe making sure it's a state clearly.


PENCE: Our alliance will continue to hold Russia accountable and demand that they on the Minsk agreement beginning with deescalating violence in eastern Ukraine.


KOSINSKI: But after all the statements by President Trump while he was campaigning on the NATO alliance obsolete, implying NATO allies might one day have to defend themselves or this at Trump's rally two days ago.


TRUMP: Many of the countries that we protect they're not paying their bills. They're not paying their bills.


KOSINSKI: It is now Vice President Pence trying to clear up any misunderstanding.


PENCE: It is my privilege here at the NATO headquarters to express the strong support of President Trump and the United States of America for NATO and our Trans-Atlantic alliance.


KOSINSKI: NATO allies not paying their share, 2 percent of their GDP has been a longstanding problem. Only 5 of the 28 members currently do. The Obama administration made a major push to make that happen and was able to get 70 percent of NATO countries on track to do so by 2014. So what happens if they don't start paying?


PENCE: I don't know what the answer is or else, but I know that the patience of the American people will not endure forever.


KOSINSKI: The result on NATO, Russia, Iran, and some of the world's biggest problems even on phone calls with allies has been to many foreign policy experts.


TONY BLINKEN, FORMER UNITED STATES NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR: Confused, chaotic, and contradictory. Look, there's a lot of whiplash going on here because we are seeing very conflicting statements come out from one day to the next.


KOSINSKI: Some republicans, too, including Ohio Governor John Kasich who is at the Munich security conference with Mike Pence, raising concerns about how allies are viewing this.


[03:04:58] JOHN KASICH,(R) GOVERNOR OF OHIO: What they're saying is we can hear from the vice president, we can hear from General Mattis, we can hear from General Kelly, but we're not sure about the president. And it is vital that the administration beyond the same page.



ADAM KINZINGER, (R) UNITED STATES REPRESENTATIVE: You know, it's really confusing to me, my hope is that it's just, you know, the president's that is hoping to make some kind of a big deal of grand bargain.


KOSINSKI: Michelle Kosinski, CNN, the State Department.

CHURCH: Iraqi forces are making key gains in their new offensive to take back the last major ISIS-held stronghold in Iraq. The Iraqi army says troops backed by the United States have cleared ISIS fighters from a village that overlooks Mosul's airport.

Now this video from the Iraqi defense ministry is said to show air strikes on ISIS positions. They hope to route the terrorist from the airport and ultimately, recapture western Mosul from ISIS.

But the battle is far from over. And CNN's Ben Wedeman joins us now to take a look at this. He is joining us from Istanbul in Turkey. Ben, always good to talk with you.

So, how significant is this progress being made by the Iraqi army just 48 hours into this offensive?

BEN WEDEMAN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: It's significant, Rosemary, but seriously this is really just the beginning. The offensive is only 48-plus hours old, and really the hard battle is yet to come. That's when Iraqi forces start to enter the narrow alley ways and passage ways of the old city. You know, and those areas it's very difficult to pass with a tanker and armored personnel carrier.

And of course, we know as we've seen from video that put out by the Iraqi military that ISIS has built a network, dug a network of tunnels throughout the city. And that they have had a lot of experience already fighting with Iraqi army on the eastern side of Mosul.

And of course, I recall speaking to the Iraqi defense minister last year into summer who confidently told me at the time that Mosul would be liberated by the end of 2016. Here we are, close to the end of February 2017 and the job is only 50 percent done.

Now coalition commanders, for instance, say this isn't necessarily the fault of the Iraqi military, it's simply that this is a hard battle and it's going to be difficult into words of the commander of coalition forces for any army under these circumstances.

And so, really this is just the beginning of what could be an operation that will take months.

Now the Iraqi army is proceeding carefully that they're trying to minimize civilian casualties, keep in mind of course, according to the U.N. there are as many as 800,000 civilians in western Mosul alone. So, it's going to be a very delicate operation under the most difficult of circumstances. Rosemary?

CHURCH: Yes, understood. And Ben, as you say it is early but how likely is it that the Iraqi army will eventually recapture western Mosul, and when and if they do that what impact will this likely have on ISIS as a terror group?

WEDEMAN: Well, I think most observers would agree, Rosemary, that eventually, and we don't want to put a timetable on it, but the Iraqi military will eventually retake western Mosul.

And of course, you know, the question is, what after that? Now, ISIS still has some strongholds in Iraq. It still holds the town of Hawija which is south of Kirkuk, which has always been a stronghold of militants even before ISIS and they still hold the town of Tel Afar which is between Mosul in the Syrian border. And they still hold a series of towns along the Euphrates River basin as well.

Those are going to be a challenge and they have yet to take those. And we were hearings, for instance, that in Anbar province yesterday some of the garrisons in the area have been put on high alert for the possibility of ISIS attacks in those areas.

So, it's significant, eventually, it will be significant when western Mosul was taken. But the battle against ISIS is still got a long way to go. Rosemary?

CHURCH: Yes, certainly. All right. Our Ben Wedeman, joining us there from Istanbul in Turkey. Many thanks to you, as always.

Well, a shaky ceasefire between Ukrainian forces and Russian backed separatist who is entering its second say. The truce is a renewed attempt to enforce the Minsk peace agreement. A monitoring group reports 775 violations since Monday.

[03:10:01] But Ukraine's military says shelling in the region has drastically diminished.

And for more, we want to bring in CNN's Clare Sebastian in Moscow. So, Clare, we have watched ceasefires come and go in eastern Ukraine before of course, and this one is now looking very shaky. Just how fragile is it and why is it so critical that this one, particularly halts?

CLARE SEBASTIAN, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes, you know, Rosemary, in the last hour or so I've spoken to Alexander Hug who is the head of the OSCE Monitoring Mission in Ukraine. He told me that yes, there are significantly fewer ceasefire violations than this -- than they still have over the weekend before the ceasefire came in.

But he is seeing a worrying trend. He said between Sunday evening and Monday evening around 600 or so ceasefire violations. And since Monday evening that number as you said, takes up to a little over 700. So, they are not being reduced the number of ceasefire violations. And the key as well that they are seeing among those ceasefire

violations explosions, evidence of heavy artillery still on the ground there, and that is what's making this so volatile. Both sides have been using a heavy weaponry and artillery throughout this conflict. The OSCE is calling for them to withdraw.

I ask him why they haven't yet, and he said there are still so much mistrust on the ground there. It's interesting the Russian news agency, TASS is quoting a spokesman from Donetsk People's Republic, and he says that they want to withdraw their weapons on Monday but they did not hear from the OSCE that the Ukrainian military had done the same.

So, you see we have a kind of almost stalemate here. It is, you know, holding to an extent this ceasefire. But with these violations it's extremely volatile and it's simply to see how we can -- how the situation can be brought more under control, Rosemary.

CHURCH: Right. I know you will continue to follow that story, but I wanted to ask you this. Of course, Russia is very well-respected U.N. Ambassador Vitaly Churkin has passed away. What has been the reaction to his death there in Moscow?

SEBASTIAN: Well, it was a great deal of shock, Rosemary. And this is a very unexpected development. He was a very important figure in terms of voicing Russia's foreign policy overseas.

He had a career that spanned more than three decades in diplomacy right back to the Soviet Union when he served in the Soviet embassy in Washington all the way through he was ambassador to Belgium and Canada. And then, finally, at the U.N. from 2006, one of the longest serving there.

There was, you know, a message from Russia's President, Vladimir Putin saying he was very upset coming through his press secretary that he praise his diplomatic talents and professionalism, echoed as well by the Russian foreign ministry spokeswoman who said on Twitter that she called him a great diplomat, an extraordinary personnel, a colorful person.

And I think it's interesting because this isn't just coming from Russia, it's coming also from his colleagues at the U.N. Some of whom he clashed with very dramatically during debates there.

But tweets from Samantha Power is the one I want to read to you where she said, "Devastated by the passing of Russian U.N. Ambassador Vitaly Churkin, diplomatic maestro and deeply caring man who did all he could to bridge U.S./Russia differences."

So, she clearly has a lot of respect for him despite the fact that just in the last December we saw a clash between the two of them in the U.N. where he accused her of pretending to be Mother Theresa for comments that she made about Russian actions in Syria. He is saying that U.S.'s actions in Syria also require scrutiny.

So, he has been describe at many called as the diplomatic giant, and I think this definitely could have an impact on how the U.S./Russia relationship which we've seen as being, you know, little unclear in the last few weeks and how that's developed, Rosemary.

CHURCH: Yes, indeed. Clare Sebastian, many thanks to you reporting there live from Moscow where it is 11.13 in the morning. Many thanks.

Well, U.N. agencies are sounding the alarm over the world's youngest country famine has been declared in South Sudan with 100,000 people on the verge of starvation and nearly five million in urgent need of help.

The U.N. says the ethnic civil war could lead to genocide. The fighting has created Africa's biggest refugee crisis and aid agencies say they need more funding and access.

Some experts are calling for help from China which is a major investor in oil production in South Sudan.

A fiery plane crash in a busy part of Australia kills five people and leaves witnesses in shock. Just ahead, why no one on the ground was hurt.

And a new spin on a U.S. national holiday. Why protestors rallied across the country for not my president's day.

Also ahead, British lawmakers in heated debate over the proposed visit of the U.S. president. He is coming but a lot of people are not happy about it.


ALEX SALMOND, MEMBER OF PARLIAMENT OF THE UNITED KINGDOM: I think it's difficult to know whether to be upheld that the morality of this invitation of just astonish at the stupidity of the invitation.



CHRISTINA MACFARLANE, CNN WORLD SPORTS ANCHOR: I'm Christina MacFarlane with your CNN World Sports headlines.

Arsenal with have team off not only Sutton United in the fifth round of the F.A. Cup avoiding another embarrassment from the under pressure Arsenal's Arsene Wenger. A goal in each half, one from Lucas Perez and the other from Theo Walcott. His 100th for the Londoners got the job done for the Gunners.

From the F.A. Cup to the Champions League, and Pep Guardiola has bragged that Monaco's killers in the box ahead of Manchester City's first leg last 16 championship clash against the French side on Tuesday night. Arriving at the Etihad Stadium will be Europe's most potent attacking threat which overturn Premier League rivals Tottenham in two seasons ago. Arsenal is certainly a wary for City's freaking defense. Barcelona one of its star players Neymar will stand trials on corruption charges after having their appeal turned down by Spain's high court on Monday. This stems from a complaint from Brazilian investment group DIF who claim they receive less money than they should have when the Brazilian forward joined Barce from Santos in 2013 for around $60 million.

They're seeking a two-year prison sentence and a fine for $10 million.

Does this mean we'll see Neymar in the dark? Well, that's unlikely under Spanish legal system. Prison sentences upon the two are typically suspended.

That's a look at your sports headlines. I'm Christina MacFarlane in London.

CHURCH: Welcome back, everyone. Well, a global banking giant is taking a big hit moneywise. HSBC reports a net loss of $4.2 billion for the fourth quarter of 2016. More than half of that is due to a write down of its private banking in Europe. HSBC has been downsizing its private banking operations after coming under scrutiny of allegations it catered to tax evaders and money launderers.

Doctors in Malaysia have just told reporters they still don't know the cause of Kim Jong-nam's death but they have ruled out a heart attack. Kim was the half-brother of North Korean leader Kim Jong-un. He died after apparently being attacked in the Kuala Lumpur airport.

Now this surveillance video appears to show a woman in a white top coming out behind Kim placing something over his face and walking away.

North Korea has accused Malaysian authorities of colluding with hostile forces as they investigate the suspected murder.

[03:20:01] Well, Monday was President's Day in the United States, a national holiday. But this year, protestors in several dozen cities across the country turned out for not my president's day rallies. The marches and rallies came amid the fierce backlash from liberal grassroots groups to the Trump administration.

Demonstrators came out to protest a broad range of issues including immigration, climate change, and reproductive rights.

Well, the U.S. isn't the only country where you will find anti-Trump sentiments. In the United Kingdom, protestors called on legislators to downgrade the U.S. President's state visit later this year. Some wanted cancelled. More than 1.8 million people signed an anti-Trump petition.

While people demonstrated outside, debates among members of parliament inside Westminster Hall is pretty spirited and sometimes heated.


SALMOND: I think it's difficult to know whether to be upheld that the morality of this invitation of just astonish at the stupidity of the invitation.

As an example of fawning subservience -- if I could disagree with my honorable friend for a second. So this, the prime minister holding hands across the ocean visit would be difficult to match. To do it in the name of shared values was stomach churning.

PAUL FLYNN, MEMBER OF PARLIAMENT OF THE UNITED KINGDOM: He's caused problems in every particular area in which he would be coming...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I mean, where is the will of the American people, where is your respect for that?

CAROLINE LUCAS, MEMBER OF PARLIAMENT OF THE UNITED KINGDOM: Which they don't remember agree that to have a state visit for someone who has shown such a (Inaudible) to basic climate change is another reason to say that he should not be coming here.

NIGEL EVANS, MEMBER OF PARLIAMENT OF THE UNITED KINGDOM: I certainly don't like some of the things that he said in the past, but I do respect the fact that he's not on a platform which he is now delivering.

DAVID LAMMY, MEMBER OF PARLIAMENT OF THE UNITED KINGDOM: For this man after seven days we say please come and we will lay on everything because we are so desperate for your company.

JULIAN LEWIS, MEMBER OF PARLIAMENT OF THE UNITED KINGDOM: I believe that it is entirely right that President Trump should come here.

SIMON BURNS, MEMBER OF PARLIAMENT OF THE UNITED KINGDOM: It is to my mind foolish to allow our personal views on assessment of that individual and some of them were grotesque characteristic for the behavior, to blur what is in Britain's national interest.

STEPHEN DOUGHTY, MEMBER OF PARLIAMENT OF THE UNITED KINGDOM: We cannot accept the denigration of a free press, the denigration of a judiciary, the denigration of women, the denigration of religious minorities, and the banning of refugees, the advocation of torture as the normal.

We cannot accept those things as the new normal. It wouldn't be acceptable for many countries but it certainly should not be acceptable from our greatest ally and one of those countries which has frequently stood up in the world for the values of the liberty, equality, democracy, and the rights and equality of all before the Lord.


CHURCH: And in just a few hours, Britain's House of Lords will hold a second day of debate over the Brexit bill. It's a necessary step before Prime Minister Theresa May can trigger article 50, the mechanism for beginning the formal process of leaving the European Union.

CNN's Nina dos Santos recaps Monday's debate and what's next. NINA DOS SANTOS, CNN CORRESPPONDENT: As British Lord's debated the government's Brexit bill, the prime minister took the unusual step, a sitting on step in parliament's upper house a gesture designed to remind unelected peers of their duty to respect the wish of the people.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We have to have a serious and responsible debate.


DOS SANTOS: But the Commons already having given Theresa May the green light to trigger the E.U.'s get out close, the lord's made it clear that while they're unlikely to block the bill, they would need more information on it.


DIANNE HAYTER, HOUSE OF LORDS MEMBER: But what we're going to say is well, that's not enough. We want to know the loot, how are we going to come out the European Union, what are the choices. We want to know how you can safeguard the interest of the E.U. nationals already living in the U.K. And we also want to know that there will be a vote at the end of the process and not just at the beginning of the process.


DOS SANTOS: But the record number appears that to speak the debate could run into Big Bend's strike midnight on Tuesday. Then after more discussions in and out of the house, the government hopes that the bill will close (Ph) into lord's by March the 7th. Only then will Britain will be able to start bidding goodbye to Brussels.

Having promised to trigger article 50 by the end of next month, Theresa May could choose to do so at the next E.U. summit on March the 9th. Our neighbors, though, have made it clear that they won't make it easy.


THERESA MAY, BRITISH PRIME MINISTER: There must be and will be a noticeable difference between whether a country wants to be a member of the European Union family or not.

DONALD TUSK, EUROPEAN COUNCIL PRESIDENT: Our task will be to protect the interest of the E.U. as a whole and the interest of each of the 27 member's states.


DOS SANTOS: Once negotiations get underway both sides then have two years to untangle their interests. A considerate feat with 27 countries able to use the talks to further their own agendas.

[03:25:06] And money will come up quickly with the E.U. reportedly ready to demand up to 60 billion euros as a divorce settlement.

Whenever the government comes back with then will have to come back here to be scrutinized once more.

Nina dos Santos, CNN in Westminster, London.

CHURCH: A small plane crashed into a shopping center near Melbourne in Australia killing all five people on board. The four passengers were American citizens and the pilot was Australian.

It happened early Tuesday before the shops opened and nobody on the ground was hurt. Witnesses described the scene as a massive fireball.


CRAIG LAPSLEY, VICTORIA'S EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COMMISSIONER: Obviously there was complexity with this far in the sense that it hit a building. It's gone through a building and its coming into the car park. Obviously the mine fuel is on its own fuel itself.

So, what was burning was aviation fuel, obviously the black plume that came off of it, and then obviously the systems in (Inaudible). The building itself rectified it. So sprinkles to reduce the fire extinguish in the building. Still a very extensive fire fought, a very complex fire fought and one that offers a lot of sighting issues.


CHURCH: And authorities say the chartered plane made an emergency call before it crashed. The cause is being investigated but engine failure is suspected here.

Well, President Trump's travel ban take two after this first attempt was stopped by the court. The White House gets ready to roll out its new ban. Why one U.S. senator is calling the immigration guidelines, quote, "mass deportation."

Plus, a special report from Jordan on Syrian refugees, why one family says President Trump is wrong about those seeking asylum in the United States.

We're back in a moment with that and more.


[03:32:00] ROSEMARY CHURCH, CNN HOST: A very warm welcome back. I'm Rosemary Church.

I want to update you on the main stories we've been following this hour.

Police say four of the five people killed in a small plane crash in Melbourne, Australia were American citizens. The plane hit a shopping center early Tuesday but the shops have not opened yet and nobody on the ground was hurt.

Investigators think the crash was caused by engine failure.

A ceasefire between Ukrainian forces and Russia-backed separatist is now in its second day. The truce is a renewed attempt to enforce the Minsk peace agreement.

A monitoring group reports 775 violations since Monday. But Ukraine's military says shelling in the region has drastically diminished.

U.S. President Donald Trump has chosen a new national security adviser. Army Lieutenant General Herbert Raymond McMaster is respected for speaking out against political interests. He replaces Michael Flynn who was forced to resign after misleading the vice president about his calls with a Russian ambassador to the U.S.

Immigrant communities in the U.S. were afraid of President Trump's next immigration moves. A new travel ban and aggressive immigration guidelines are expected this week.

Our congressional correspondent Sunlen Serfaty has more.


DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We will have strong borders again.


SUNLEN SERFATY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The Trump administration is preparing to roll out a new travel ban executive order. Sources tell CNN the draft order revises the original batch order which confusion, mass protests and portions of it were halted by multiple federal courts.

The take two of the order is expected later this week in intended to be streamlined tightened up version according to administration officials which sources say will exempt green cardholders, take out any preference for certain religious minorities allowed in the country.

An attempt to fix the due process concerns of the federal appeals court that plucked the original order by giving detailed notice of restrictions on those people coming from the seven identified countries with current or pending visas.


JOHN KELLY, UNITED STATES SECRETARY OF HOMELAND SECURITY: We will have a phase, a short phase in period to make sure that people on the other end don't get on airplanes.

But if they're on an airplane and inbound they'd be allowed to enter the country.


SERFATY: Secretary Kelly promising less chaos this time. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

KELLY: I will have opportunity to work a rolled out plan, in particular to make sure that there's no one in the sense caught in the system of moving from overseas to our airports which happened on the first release.


SERFATY: All this as the homeland security secretary is also set to release some aggressive new guidelines for pairing out the president's immigration policies. Outlining in two earlier versions obtained by CNN, directions to agencies to implement the tightening of immigration laws by bracing the standard on asylum seekers, in accompanies minors entering the country, sending people awaiting immigration proceedings in the U.S. back to Mexico, banning the use of expedited removal proceedings or unauthorized immigrants which could impact thousands more undocumented immigrants.

And the memos called for an increase in detention facilities and agents. The moves setting off immigration rights advocates and democratic lawmakers. Senator Menendez dubbing this on mass deportation effort.


BOB MENENDEZ, (D) UNITED STATES SENATOR: Ultimately, anyone who is found in an undocumented status it would ultimately apprehended and deported with due process totally eroded under the proposals that I'm hearing about.


CHURCH: And joining me now is Inderjeet Parmar, professor of international politics at City University of London.

Great to have you on.


CHURCH: So, let's start with the travel ban and a re-write of the executive order on immigration is expected any time this week. But we understand it will still include the seven majority Muslim countries banned in the first version. Green cardholders will apparently not be affected this time around as we heard.

So, how likely is it that this re-written travel ban will be accepted by the courts. And talk to us about the optics here.

PARMAR: Well, I think the first thing is that there is a certain amount of incompetence which has to be overcome from the first experience of the original travel ban. And I think President Trump was very angry about that. So, I think this one it needs to be and it appears to be a lot more specific.

[03:35:00] But it does leave a little bit of room for doubt with the courts if due process is not followed.

The optics I think are very, very important. And I suspect that these are probably taking precedents over the incompetence issue. And that is, that President Trump as a candidate did promised to ban Muslims in broad terms and I think his core voters who are very happy with the way in which his presidency is going at the moment.

As I understand it a poll over the weekend showed 84 percent approval among republican voters for President Trump's performance so far. I think for his core voters this is a very important issue to continue with. So, I think regardless about the court may do I think this is going to be an issue which is going to continue to run for quite some time.

Because on the rhetorical level he is appearing to deliver what he promised during the election campaign to his core base.

CHURCH: All right. Well, let's turn now to the appointment of Lieutenant General H.R. McMaster as President Trump's new national security adviser, of course, replacing Michael Flynn who was fired after only 24 days on the job.

How likely is it that General McMaster will speak his mind and stand up to Mr. Trump when and if they don't agree on security matters, and can the general put to bed the damage already done by Michael Flynn?

PARMAR: Quite frankly, I think this appointment of General McMaster is inspired. I think that General McMaster has a sterling reputation, not only as the soldier as the military person, but also as an intellectual.

His book on Vietnam, on the Vietnam War "Dereliction of Duty" is on reading list everywhere. And I think he has got a reputation as a warrior thinker but also as a very independent person. He's been passed over perversion many times to general on the basis of the fact that he stood up independently and criticize the ways in which he thought his superiors are operating.

This is day to -- this may cause some problems in regard to President Trump and his relationship with General McMaster if he were truly to speak his mind.

I think the other question is, to what extent has General McMaster being able to negotiate his own team to work on the national security council, what is he been able to negotiate on the basis of what is Steve Bannon's role, the political adviser, his role on the national security council. Because that is the -- those are the big questions which prevented the previous person who was offered this job, General Harward from taking it.

So, I think General McMaster is a very good choice but on the other hand, the ability to work with something like President Trump is going to be tested. The final thing I would say is that General McMaster is not highly experienced in government, so he's going to have a bit of a steep learning curve in regard to that. CHURCH: Right. And just very quickly, while on his European tour Vice President Mike Pence said the U.S. is fully committed to NATO, which isn't exactly what Mr. Trump has been saying. So, one journalist did ask him whether they should believe him or Mr. Trump. And we are seeing this more and more, aren't we, where what's being said by Defense Secretary Mattis, U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, and U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley is at odds with what President Trump is saying.

What do we make of this and just how sustainable is this?

PARMAR: It's a very interesting development I think. I think there is a -- there is what I would say is the two level game. President Trump seems to be playing the political theater and he's very effective at that. And that gets a lot of people talking, discussing, asking questions about various things, many of which to do with his core base and making sure that they are secured.

So, lots of -- part of the media have been attacking him on various questions about the Muslim ban, on Russia, and so on. Meanwhile, his key appointees have been saying exactly the opposite in regard to sort of big question of international politics like NATO and so on.

And I think this allows a degree of wiggle room or room for maneuver for the administration. I think in the end that Donald Trump is actually committed to the international order, but I think he wants everyone to realize that the United States is the fulcrum of that international order that others have to pull their weight if they are going to get the U.S. support.

I don't think anybody else is going anywhere, but at this time in world history, if you like, when the world is experiencing a major change whether on new emerging powers like China, India, Brazil, and so on, I think he's going to unsettle a lot of core American allies who are already looking to more broadly at their relationships to economic, financial, as well as others.

So I think at this sort of key time of change this could be a strategy which suggests that the United States is going to be less reliable as they go forward and that they need to look at alternatives to not necessarily reject America but to shore up some of their positions as well.

[03:40:02] CHURCH: All right. We'll be watching very closely. Inderjeet Parmar, many thanks to you for your analysis. We appreciate it.

PARMAR: Thank you. Thank you.

CHURCH: Well, Donald Trump's immigration policy has cause chaos and confusion but he's been overruled for now.

Our Christiane Amanpour spoke to a family at the largest Syrian refugee camp in Jordan who say Mr. Trump has the wrong idea about those seeking asylum in the U.S. CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR, CNN CHIEF INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Walking in to this registration center at the U.N. refugee agency in Amman and suddenly something about these millenniums desperate refugee story speak to the last millenniums. In this islands Circe in 1900 that was the story gateway to America.

Here, some 1,000 refugees a day come dressed in their best hoping to find their own gateway to somewhere. Mindful of the Trump administration's efforts to ban Syrian refugees, the UNHCR Paul Stromberg tell s me vetting here is about as extreme as it gets.


PAUL STROMBERG, UNHCR DEPUTY REPRESENTATIVE: It involves many different agencies in the U.S., different security databases, several different in-face interviews over period that can last up to two years. Biometric verification at different stages of the process is basically the hardest way to get to the U.S. soon.

Globally, less than 1 percent of refugees are resettled in...


AMANPOUR: That's tiny.


AMANPOUR: A quick walk through revealed endless interview rooms, waiting rooms, biometric testing areas creating an unprecedented and vast data bank. In this game of human lottery the weakest often wins.

A father moves his face in close for the mandatory eye rays scan and he tells us the family fled war and home in Damascus 2013. Mother Um Ali says her very young children have been traumatized.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE, (through translator): At first, we were moving from place to place for fear of the bombings. Nowhere were safe for us and the children suffered. They were in constant fear, and whenever they heard a noise in their head they started to have some source of post-traumatic stress.


AMANPOUR: Civilians started to pour out of Syria six years ago, and now more than half a million lived here and a new type of refugee camp has been born. This is Zaatari, a sprawling refugee city of 80,000 that is more from tents and tarpaulins to fix aboard with electricity. Most of these camps inhabitants fled when the war erupted in Daraa and may don't want to move any further away just in case.

Imagine living in this camp and knowing that home is 20 kilometers away across the Syrian border. The last big refugee resettlement, so one in every four families asked didn't want to go to the west. The truth is these people are not clamoring to come over to our homelands; all they want to do is go back to their own.

Which may explain why this family looks sad and afraid when we meet them just hours before their due to take off for America.

Look at all the suitcases.

Um Mohammad (Ph) showed me the last minute chaos of packing for her first ever flight and a whole new life, all their worldly possessions carefully picked out and parcel in eight suitcases, one for each family member.

I ask her husband Abu Muhammad how he feels about traveling all the way from Aleppo to America. It's taking them more than a year of vetting and paperwork.

Are you excited about going to America?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): For sure.

AMANPOUR: Well, what do you hoping for?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): Life.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): Our house was burned and my in-laws house was also destroyed.

AMANPOUR: This family got their ticket to the USA because they, too, are considered vulnerable. Their oldest lost his hearing when they fled the bombing and now his speaking is impaired, too.

Have you heard the news from America that the president wanted to say no to Syria refugees and that, you know, there's a lot of problems with immigration.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): I feel that Donald Trump had a bad picture about Muslims in general, but the American people are much wiser and know that not all Muslims are the same. They also know that we can live together in peace and harmony. I don't know where he got this image about us from.

AMANPOUR: Do you know what you're going to, do you have any idea what will happen when you put your feet on American soil?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): I have no idea.

[03:45:00] AMANPOUR: Outside dust is falling and they must now say their final farewells and board this bus to the airport. As hard as life has been as a refugee here they made friends and they have a sense that they're all in this together.

Now they have no idea what awaits them at the end of their very long journey. This must be the biggest threat of Abu Ismael's long life, a grandfather taking his family clear across the world.

Twenty four hours later, here they are in Chicago, tired, rumpled but together, trying out a new word for their new world. While back at the camp an amazing phenomenon, the triumph of hope over reason.

Every day, Syrians try to voluntarily head back across the border if only Bashar al-Assad and his barrel bombs would let them.

Christiane Amanpour, CNN at Zaatari refugee camp in Jordan.

CHURCH: And coming up next here on CNN Newsroom, forced to live and work in a cell phone store without pay and beaten up by his bosses. Coming up, one man's fight against human trafficking.


CHURCH: For four years, a Pakistani man work seven days a week at a Hong Kong mobile phone store sleeping on the floor and suffering beatings. He was never paid a cent. Eventually, he sought help from the government and police but was turned away.

[03:49:59] Finally, a judge ruled that Hong Kong's government failed in its responsibility to protect him.

Alexandra Field reports on his fight for justice.

ALEXANDRA FIELD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: This is what most of the world pictures when they think of the city. It isn't his Hong Kong.

"It felt like being a prison but I couldn't free myself because I wasn't allowed to," he says.


PATRICIA HO, HUMAN RIGHTS ATTORNEY: Trafficking is a very hidden issue.


FIELD: He didn't exactly fall through the cracks in a system, human rights attorney Patricia Ho argues here, there is no system.


FIELD: It sounds strange when you say that.

HO: It is so shocking.

FIELD: Hong Kong has no specific laws criminalizing forced labor or human trafficking.

HO: Even Pakistan, the Philippines, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, they all have human trafficking and forced labor laws.

FIELD: She and this Pakistani man are fighting to change that.

"My boss has treated me worse than an animal. It was physical torture, mental torture. I would work 24 hours a day," he says.

We aren't showing his face because he lives in fear for retaliation. He told the Hong Kong court he was brought here from his province Punjab by another Pakistani family with a promise of work and that they kept his paperwork and didn't pay him. He spent four years in this busy Hong Kong neighborhood, forced to live, eat, work, and sleep in a cell phone store where he says he was sometimes beaten and abused.

Then his boss sent him back to Pakistan to stop him he thinks from going after his money. He snuck back in by boat.

"Even after I came back to Hong Kong all I was asking for was my wages. I went to several government departments but no one would listen."

The judge concluded his claims where overlooked by the police, the immigration department, and the labor department, while he says he faced threats to his own life and his family.

HO: And for all of this nobody have asked him or consider the fact that perhaps he was actually a victim of trafficking.


FIELD: The 150-page high court decision in his case is the first ruling that could change that. He was left floundering in a system in which concern for victims of human trafficking or forced labor is mainly or rhetorical maneuver, the judge writes. This was clearly the fault of the system because of the lack of any effective framework or set of measures to address human trafficking or forced labor.

The Hong Kong government argues it doesn't need dedicated anti- trafficking legislation because it says those offenses are already covered under other laws. But they say they are working to combat the problem with various improvement.

New programs established within the last year include a pilot program in the police force and the immigration department to identify victims along with enhanced screening for victims and improved cooperation between departments ensuring victims know their rights.

Ho hopes the ruling with force the government to reconsider and write a law criminalizing trafficking.


HO: When you look around the world, New York, London, they all acknowledge that they have serious trafficking problem and that's when they start taking steps to tackle with.


FIELD: Steps this man risks everything to fight for.

Alexandra Field, CNN, Hong Kong.

CHURCH: Coming up next, an Australian team gets the chance of a lifetime. A jam session with Bruce Springsteen. The video that's gone viral after this break.


CHURCH: A night out of the Bruce Springsteen concert turns into an unforgettable jam session for one Australian teenager.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You do? Do you know the guitar? You do?


CHURCH: How about that. Springsteen was performing i Brisbane Thursday when he spotted Nathan Testa sign that read "Ms. Cool, can I play growing up with you?" So, the rock legend brought the teen on stage and it turns out he was pretty good.

A guitar lesson from the boss. Not bad, right.

And thanks for joining us. I'm Rosemary Church. Remember to connect with me anytime on Twitter @rosemarycnn.

The news continues with Max Foster on London. You're watching CNN. Have a great day.