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Report: Trump Accepts New Jobs Report As Real; Top Marine Says No Honor In Denigrating A Fellow Marine; Nude Photo Scandal Widens To 4 Branches Of Military. Aired 3:30-4p ET

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[15:30:00] BRIAN HOUSH, YELLOW SPRINGS COUNCILMAN: And I thought it was interesting that Dave highlighted that a couple times. Some of the challenges that we have are not incredibly different from things we're seeing on a national level. We are certainly trying to work on training and community relations in a strong way. But I do think some of the advantages we have are that we are a creative culture, we're a community of people that are really tight and we want to have a collaborative relationship with our force.

BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: And the fact that Dave Chappelle showed up. I know you're a population 4,500 people. Quickly for people who have been wondering where Dave Chappelle has been, what is he up to?

KAREN WINTROW, PRESIDENT, YELLOW SPRINGS VILLAGE COUNCIL: Well, he goes to Dino's and gets coffee almost every day, his family are very active participants in town, kids in school here, so you know, Dave is as a citizen just like everyone else and people don't intrude on his space and we're always happy to see him.

BALDWIN: Happy Friday, happy weekend, thanks for coming on.

Want to go back to Washington and this blatant hypocrisy as President Trump is gladly accepting the jobs report but basically dismisses every one of them in the past calling them a hoax or phony or fiction. Let's get into that.


BALDWIN: The White House is definitely touting the President's first jobs report after solid results the economy added more than 235 jobs last month, the unemployment rate down to 4.7 percent. And celebrating big old victory lap at 1,600 Pennsylvania Avenue.


DONALD TRUMP, U.S. PRESIDENT: Every time it comes out, I hear 5.3 percent unemployment. That is the biggest joke there is. Don't believe those phony numbers when you hear 4.9 and 5 percent unemployment, the number is probably 28-29, as high as 35, in fact I even heard recently 42 percent.

The unemployment number as you know is totally fiction, if you look for a job six months and give up they consider you statistically employed. It's not that way. (END VIDEO CLIP)

BALDWIN: Now let me play you what we heard from the white house spokesman when asking about this contradiction.


SEAN SPICER, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: I talk to the President prior to this and he said to quote him very

clearly, they may have been very phony in the past but it's very real now.


BALDWIN: I have economist Dianne Swonk and CNN political commentator Kayleigh McEnany. Kayleigh, let me turn to you and just ask, I understand the victory lap and I am not surprised but it is bothersome given all the phony hoax, fiction we have heard in the past it's totally hypocritical.

KAYLEIGH MCENANY, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: I think what President Trump sees is other economic indicators are turning in his direction that weren't turning in President Obama's direction, consumer confidence, small business confidence, small business spending, the stock market hitting these record highs. These are reason for businesses to be confident. There are reasons for ExxonMobil --

BALDWIN: Which is what Sean Spicer said but can I get a yes on the hypocritical on this?

MCENANY: No, not on hypocritical. I think he saw Obama's recovery as the slowest yet, yes, there were the same job numbers throughout the administration but he didn't thank that was a true robust recovery like what we are going to see now. I don't think he viewed that as robust of a recovery as should have been.

BALDWIN: How does that not chip away though at his credibility. His referring to basically the same numbers in the past that he laughed off, and now taking credit for it.

MCENANY: I think he is seeing the trending numbers, that were not there, manufacturing, construction numbers are the highest we have seen for a decade. They were in these numbers not Obama numbers, so I think he looks selectively and intricately, and undergirding and seen more from what it had been post World War II.

BALDWIN: Diane Swonk jump in, you look at these numbers, you crunch these numbers, you know the facts, you know the context, how do you see this?

DIANE SWONK, ECONOMIST: The same people doing the numbers six months ago, ten years ago, six years, and 20 years ago are using the same methodology, so the numbers are it's as good a data as we've got and they do it outside of the political conspiracies that we hear about in Washington that's nonsense. On a larger scale, we ended 2016 on a much stronger note than entered the year, we had a lot of momentum and it reflects people feel better and we have seen things improve to continue, and warmer weather and we are going to see giveback going forward but the trend has been going in the right direction for a long time.

[15:40:00] We hit a real turning point last year where finally at the end of the year we saw some real traction, that's the most that the recovery is broadening out, but we're timely getting along, it's the longest of the post World War II period and even though it was about subpar, it's about half pace from the expansion of the post-World War II period. But we're starting to feel it and we have to celebrate the fact that more people are feeling this expansion.

BALDWIN: I'm listening to you rattle off all of that, and this is great, but Kayleigh, isn't it like bad news about him is fake.

MCENANY: I understand the same people are doing the numbers so I don't think the President was trying to say look, the Obama administration was making up numbers.

BALDWIN: But he called them phony in the past.

MCENANY: Because he was looking underneath the numbers.

SWONK: I need to interrupt here. Underneath the numbers. All the data has always been there, there's always been measures of the stress factors in the economy, the number of people having to take part time jobs instead of full time jobs all that data is in these reports. They're so rich in terms to have intricacies and complexities and those were left behind someone had just taken time to explain it to him. We need to give the numbers and data credit for what it does tell us and anyone who spend any time with the report can see the shifts other time for what has happened left behind and those feeling more engaged. We're still not back where we like to be but moving in the right direction.

BALDWIN: Looking at three years from now and see construction jobs were consistently higher than under the Obama administration, if we see the confidence indicators 25 million jobs being created if three years from now we can say that I think that will lend credibility to what the President was saying.

Thank you, as always, make sure you look up the Trump jobs tracker put together by our CNN Money team, go to

Next, the top commander of the Marines speaks out against a series of explicit photos of female Marines posted online. Was his condemnation strong enough? Reaction from Paula Broadwell who's been in touch with several women since these stories broke.


BALDWIN: Female Marines violated, four branches are looking into the posting of nude females, predatory language and encouragement of sexual assault who work alongside these women. A top commander spoke and says no one has been charged yet.


ROBERT NELLER, GENERAL, U.S. MARINE CORPS: If you're participating in this type to have behavior in any way, shape or form, you're not helping me or your marine corps and I would ask you to reconsider your participation in any sort of behavior like this. You know, we claim that being a marine is a special title and something that you earn. There's honor here. But there is no honor in denigrating a fellow marine in any way, shape or form.


BALDWIN: Let's go to a woman who has dealt with situations of sexism, former military Intelligence officer and West Point graduate, Army reserve officer,

Paula Broadwell director of the Think Broader Foundation. Nice to have you on.

PAULA BROADWELL, ARMY RESERVE OFFICER: Hi, Brooke, great to be with you.

BALDWIN: You helped write this "Washington Post" op ed a couple of days ago and since then you have been hearing a lot from the women. First, what did you make of the commander's response?

BROADWELL: I think a lot wanted to see his response and the tone, and he's clearly battling with how to deal with this but there was still a tepid response, he needs so come out and say this is unacceptable, I want to hear the Corps leadership take responsibility for the culture that has been tolerated in the Marine Corps, maybe we will hear that in the future.

BALDWIN: You want something stronger, that is understandable. He also said they know of at least ten victims so far, wants them to come forward to quote unquote fix this sub culture. You are hearing from all these women of course protecting some what they have told you, can you share some of it with me?

[15:50:00] BROADWELL: It's interesting he called it a sub culture, because I would say it is the culture, many of my colleagues, have experienced some sexual harassment or even assault and they are looking to leader leadership to make a real change, leadership to hearings with Congress so the American public can hold them accountable, I think it takes a deep look at what's going on and really listening to some of these women and I know these women have been writing op eds and why I did it with a fellow marine because we want to be there for the women coming after us and create a safe zone and we'll elevate that discussion to a higher level.

BALDWIN: Spare no detail. I think it's worth getting into some of this. What are these women telling you, what is happening?

BROADWELL: Cameras being installed in showers at some of the military academies, in some of the cadet barracks. One of the differences is that the leadership took very swift action and those perpetrators were put in prison. I have heard on unanimous websites where the marines united have moved some of these photographs and they feel that the military is doing enough and the question is society doing enough. The problem is society. The society has a propensity to objectify women. It is a microcosm of what is going on in America itself.

BALDWIN: What about the commander in chief himself, we saw him recently in Norfolk scrambled eggs on his cap, proud, generals in his cabinet, proud there of being the navy post. He's been silent so far. What do you make of his silence on this particular issue and what do you want him to say?

BROADWELL: Well, Brooke, there have been a lot of leaders who have been silent. I think, you know, on the one hand to give some credit, they need to do an investigation to make sure there's due process for those who are -- have allegedly been perpetrators of this violence and assault -- promoting assault towards women. On the other hand, I think silence is condoning what's going on. So, I hope that we hear from, again, military leaders, not just the marine corps, but the other services. This isn't unique to the marine corps. I hope we hear from the white house. I'd like to hear from other citizens in the community who have our backs, have women's backs.

BALDWIN: Silence is condoning what is going on. Paula Broadwell, I'm glad you're listening to these women. Let's keep the conversation going here. Thank you so much.

BROADWELL: Thanks, Brooke. Thank you for giving time to this issue.

BALDWIN: You got it. Coming up next a heated exchange in the national security briefing room over Michael Flynn and his work as a foreign agent.

[15:55:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK) BALDWIN: Next week we will be introducing to you the first CNN hero of 2017. Before we do, here is our 2016 hero of the year meeting up with another former finalist who delivers meals on the streets of New York.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm very inspired by how Jorge fights, his manner, his tenacity, the enthusiasm he brings. It inspires me to do something.


BALDWIN: It's awesome, nominate a hero of your own. The very first officer to respond to the 2012 Sikh temple massacre is sharing how he went beyond the call of duty. A gunman killed six people that day, but somehow Lieutenant Brian Murphy survived being shot 15 times at close range.

By all accounts, Brian Murphy should be dead.

First shot was in the face, second shot was the thumb, shot in the back of the head, right happened, one in the right arm, three in the left hand, three in the left bicep, one in each leg, one in the chest, one in the side, and one in the back. His dashcam rolling, Murphy was the first officer on the scene as

calls poured in from the Sikh temple of Wisconsin.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We heard fighting outside. I brought both kids in my hand. I said, let's go.

She was among 15 women and children in this pantry fearing death. Her husband, the President of the temple, rushed out to warn people he was shot and killed along with five others. The shooter Wade Page, a white supremacist and army veteran on a mission of hate, was still at it when lieutenant murphy rolled up. That's murphy there, and that is page, gun raised.

BRIAN MURPHY, POLICE OFFICER: And we both shoot at exactly the same time.

BALDWIN: What happens?

MURPHY: I missed.

BALDWIN: Murphy was hit in the face. That's him ducking for cover. It gets worse.

MURPHY: About halfway through, I'm just get mad. I'm thinking, when are you going to be done shooting me?

BALDWIN: How are you not dead?

MURPHY: God kept me around.

BALDWIN: Another officer drives up. Page shoots, hitting the windshield, a gun battle ensues and page kills himself. By then Murphy's vest and body are riddled with 15 bullets. A year later a survivor approached him.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How many times did you get shot? I said 15. She said, that's right. There was one bullet for every one of us who was inside.

BALDWIN: The Sikh community says, without murphy's sacrifice, the massacre would have been so much worse.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I know that Brian Murphy if I is a hero. He's a hero to our community.