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ISIS Claims Responsibility for Bombing 2 Coptic Christian Churches in Egypt; U.S. Sends Mixed Messages on Syria, Assad's Future; U.S. Sends Strike Group in Response to North Korean Threats; Chinese Company Bringing Thousands of Jobs to American Rustbelt. Aired 2-3a ET

Aired April 10, 2017 - 02:00   ET



[02:00:38] ROSEMARY CHURCH, CNN ANCHOR: Hello, and welcome to all of our viewers in the United States and, of course, all around the world. I'm Rosemary Church.

CYRIL VANIER, CNN ANCHOR: I'm Cyril Vanier. Thank you very much for joining us. We're live from the CNN NEWSROOM.

Christians in Egypt are in mourning after bomb attacks at two of their churches that killed at least 47 people. ISIS claimed responsibility and promised more attacks.

CHURCH: CNN's Ian Lee is in Egypt.

And word of warning, his report contains video some viewers may find disturbing.


IAN LEE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): A day of celebration turns to mourning as a bomb rips through the crowded church in Tanta, Egypt. The devastation, the carnage, familiar barbarism as ISIS claims responsibility.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translation): I was sitting in the front and suddenly everything went dark. I passed out and someone pushed me off my seat. A few seconds later, I got up and saw bodies all around me.

LEE: Then hours later, the Coptic pope delivered his sermon in the port city of Alexandria. Outside, a man in the blue jacket tries to gain entry. When denied, he detonates his bomb.


LEE: So much innocent bloodshed on this holiest of days. Sadness quickly turned to rage and Christians mobbed a regional police chief.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translation): The authorities have received warnings before that the church is being targeted. Why weren't proper measures taken to protect people? LEE: ISIS has been stepping up attacks against Christians here in

Egypt, killing dozens in previous months. With nerves raw and tempers high, President Abdel Fattah el Sisi urges unity.

ABDEL FATTAH EL SISI, EGYPTIAN PRESIDENT (through translation): I want to say to the who Egyptians who can hear me now, you must know what is being done is an attempt to destroy us. If you're one unit, it will be difficult for anyone to defeat this country.

LEE: The president declared emergency law for three months, granting the police and army extra powers.

It's hard to quantify this type of violence. Everyone outside this church in Tanta has a story of a loved one, the pain seen in the eyes of the survivors.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I saw blood and organs of our friends.

LEE (on camera): This is your friends blood?


LEE: On the robe. What happened to your friend?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They was killed.

LEE (voice-over): This Christian man asked me, "When, when will he be able to pray in peace." A question tonight with no answer.

Ian Lee, CNN, in Tanta, Egypt.


CHURCH: We're getting word the death toll has risen to 49.

We want to get more on the attacks in Egypt. We're joined from London by Sajjan Gohel, a terrorism expert and the international security director at the Asia-Pacific Foundation.

Thank you so much for talking with us.

Horrifying images there. It's worth pointing out this is not the first time ISIS has attack inside Egypt. What do we know about how many different ISIS cells might exist inside the country, and what's the government doing to try to hunt them down?

SANJAN GOEL, TERRORISM EXERT & INTERATIONAL SECURITY DIRECTOR, ASIA- PACIFIC FOUNDATION: Rosemary, as you mentioned, this is not the first attack by ISIS against Coptic Christians in Egypt. In fact, these two attacks in Tanta and Alexandria are now three attacks in the last four months. The previous incident was in December at a church in Cairo. That was also claimed by ISIS. This group, in February, issued a message which was to its followers to increase the tempo against Christians to carry out attacks. It's not just been against churches but it's also been targeted assassinations and even kidnappings involved. ISIS, unfortunately, is growing in Egypt. There are a number of different elements across the country. There's also a very powerful affiliate of ISIS in the Sinai, known as Wilot (ph) Sinai. They were behind the bombing of the MetroJet plane a few years ago, a Russian airliner. The Egyptian authorities have up until now said they've got the situation under control, but clearly they don't. It's a tacited mission that they're accepting they're facing a challenge, now they've declared three-months state of emergency, because they're going to try to get a grip on the situation. And to build up to Easter, the worries is there could be more attacks.

[02:05:09] CHURCH: This is the worry, indeed. These two attacks, particularly on the Christian community in Egypt, have highlighted just how vulnerable they are in the country. What level of protection are they likely to receive now? And was there much evidence of security when these attacks took place? We heard in that story there, by Ian Lee, one man saying they don't have any protection.

GOHEL: The Coptic community has been concerned for some time that they're not getting enough state protection. In many ways they've had to provide their own security and mechanisms to try and ensure that the people that want to pray in churches can do so undeterred. Unfortunately, the state authorities have not been doing enough to help the Coptic Christians. They'll have to fundamentally change. It's going to require state support. Unfortunately, the other aspect that this is not unusual. There are some six million Coptic Christians in Egypt but they've always claimed they've suffered discrimination, and this goes well beyond the last few years. Even during the time of former President Hosni Mubarak, there were attacks against the Christians. It's only now that there's a greater momentum with the growth of ISIS.

CHURCH: All right. Sajjan Gohel, thank you so much for joining us live from London, where it's just after 7:00 in the morning. Many thanks.

VANIER: Here is a closer look at Egypt's Christian minority. While 90 percent of the country is Muslim, the other 10 percent is believed to be Christians. The majority of those are Coptic Christians.

CHURCH: Coptics base their theology on the teachings of the Apostle Mark, who introduced Christianity to Egypt. They've faced increasing discrimination and persecution since Hosni Mubarak's regime was overthrown back in 2011. Since then, dozens have been killed in sectarian violence.

Well, the Trump administration's foreign policy will be the focus this week as the international community looks for clarity on what could happen next in Syria.

VANIER: Washington is putting out mixed signals on the future of Bashar al Assad's regime.

Ryan Nobles has more on this.


RYAN NOBLES, CNN CORREPSONDENT: The big question for the Trump administration heading into this week is what's next. What's next when it comes to the delicate situation on the Korean peninsula? And what's next when it comes to the crisis in Syria?

Is the strike on a Syrian airfield a one-time thing specifically to keep Bashar al Assad from using chemical weapons or is it the start of a more involved U.S. policy supporting the removal of Assad? The message from top Trump officials over the weekend wasn't all that clear.


REX TILLERSON, SECRETARY OF STATE: We are hopeful that we can work with Russia and use their influence to achieve areas of stabilization throughout Syria and create the conditions for a political process through Geneva in which we can engage all of the parties on the way forward. It is through that political process that we believe the Syrian people will ultimately be able to decide the fate of Bashar al Assad.

NIKKI HALEY, U.S. AMBASSADOR TO THE U.N.: There's not any sort of option where a political solution is going to happen with Assad at the head of the regime. Just, if you look at his actions, if you look at the situation, it's going to be hard to see a government that's peaceful and stable with Assad.



NOBLES: Of course, the matter is more complicated than just Assad. You have the fight against ISIS raging in that region, and, of course, the regime's relationship with Russia and Vladimir Putin. This delicate balance will be on full display this week as Secretary of State Rex Tillerson travels to Europe. He'll meet with European leaders on Monday before traveling to Moscow for a high-stakes meeting with the Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov. Tillerson said he'll push to put pressure on their allies, the Syrians, to eliminate any chemical weapons they may still have.

Back at home, the president will still have some work to do with congressional leaders, some of whom are questioning the overall strategy when it comes to Syria. All of this while the tensions in the regions are not easing at all. Just days after the U.S. attack on that Syrian airfield, fighter jets were already taking off, bombing some of the same rebel-held locations where the chemical attacks took place in the first place.

Ryan Nobles, CNN, Washington.


VANIER: President Trump called the Navy commanders who conducted the missile strikes on the Syrian airbase to thank them and their crews. Two U.S. destroyers in the Mediterranean Sea launched the 59 Tomahawk missiles. That was Thursday night, American time, early Friday morning. CHURCH: The president later thanked the Navy in a tweet.


VANIER: Joining us now is Mac Zilber, a Democratic political consultant.

Mac, we heard Mr. Tillerson and Nikki Haley, they seem to be pulling in different directions when it comes to Assad's future. At the very least, there seems to be some uncertainty on what U.S. foreign policy is on that.

[02:09:57] MAC ZILBER, DEMOCRATIC POLITICAL CONSULTANT: Typically, certainty in foreign policy comes from the top. Right now, we have a president who largely is governing by instinct, foreign policy-wise. I think Tillerson is a careful, thoughtful individual when it comes to decision making and he's not likely to put the U.S. on the record in favor of regime change, unless he's sure that's the direction he's getting from the top. Haley, on the other hand, either has heard something differently or is less concerned about making a decision on behalf of the president. But the conflict at such high levels of diplomacy is truly rare, especially on the issue that is as clear cut as to whether the sort of big boogie man of foreign policy in the Middle East should be removed or not.

VANIER: Tell me, more generally, about Mr. Trump's foreign policy week. There were several meetings with foreign leaders, including the Chinese president, and the strike in Syria, which was the most notable event. What have you learned about this administration's foreign policy and handling of foreign policy?

ZILBER: I think the most fascinating we've seen this week is how normal Trump's foreign policy has been these past few days, relative to the first few weeks and months of the administration. His administration started off as a foreign policy rollercoaster from the statements on Taiwan, the anger of China, to statements by Rex Tillerson on potentially going to war in the South China Sea to any number of other issues. But the last week or so, it seems that perhaps H.R. McMaster and some of the sort of steady foreign policy hands have taken control of the administration. It will be interesting to see if that stays or whether there will be another shift towards folks like Bannon starting to get some power back.

VANIER: When you have a president, who has never governed before, who is not familiar with the military apparatus or foreign policy, there's always some concern at the beginning of the term as to how the president will adjust to that. Do you feel Mr. Trump has raised some of the concerns for you, who has expressed criticism of him in the past?

ZILBER: I don't think he's erased all of those concerns by a long shot. I think Tillerson and Haley today is a perfect example. When you have a president, who is experienced in foreign policy, as many are when they come in -- the last three rally have been -- you hope they're going to staff their upper echelons of the administration with steady foreign policy hands. Secretary of State Tillerson and ambassador Haley both have zero foreign policy experience, as well. And he may as well have picked -- those of us on this show, we have all opinions and we all, like Haley and Tillerson, none of us have been in positions of foreign policy power before. So I'm not assuaged. That being said, so far, the greatest fears of the first few weeks, when we were seeing the travel ban and chaos at the airports, seem to have died down to more run-of-the-mill fears of perhaps too aggressive, muscular foreign policy.

VANIER: Let me ask the question differently. Was this week, in terms of foreign policy, a net win for him, politically?

ZILBER: Politically, I hate to say it, but, yes. When you go and invade -- and this is not invasion -- but when you go and send missiles to a hostile power that people feel your predecessor should have punished for chemical weapons, it's sort of a perfect follow through on a promise that Trump had made the whole way along that he was going to respond to red lines in Syria, in a way Barack Obama didn't. I expect his popularity to tick up a few points. I think, that being said, our electorate is likely to polarize and there will be a huge swing in his poll numbers after this.

VANIER: Would you agree that it's something where he has improved on the Obama administration, who failed to enforce his own red line on use of chemical weapons in Syria?

ZILBER: I think it's hard to compare apples to apples on this. In some ways, we have learned from the past, and I think that any president in this situation, given this set of options, probably would have now made this decision based on the fact that the red line was not effective. That being said, absolutely, I have repeatedly said that I believe that not following through on the red line was the Obama administration's worst mistake, either domestic or foreign.

VANIER: Mac Zilber, thank you so much for coming on the show. Always a pleasure to have you.

ZILBERT: Thanks for having me.

CHURCH: The U.S. is building up pressure on North Korea. America warships are being redeployed to the Korean peninsula.

[02:14:25]VANIER: After the break, we'll see how Pyongyang is responding.

Plus, how a top Chinese company is bringing thousands of jobs to the American Rustbelt.

Stay with us.




CHURCH: Welcome back, everyone. The United States is defending its redeployment of a carrier strike group to the Korean peninsula. The military move is in direct response to recent missile tests by North Korea. But it's not unusual for the U.S. to show off its naval force in the region.

CHURCH: North Korean government officials tell CNN sending the aircraft carrier is another provocation by the U.S. But U.S. national security adviser, General H.R. McMaster, is standing by this decision.


GEN. H.R. MCMASTER, NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR: Well, it's prudent to do it, isn't it? North Korea has been engaged in a pattern of provocative behavior. This is a rogue regime that is now a nuclear- capable regime. And President Xi and President Trump agreed that that is unacceptable, that what must happen is the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula. So the president has asked us to be prepared to give him a full range of options to remove that threat to the American people and to our allies and partners in the region.


CHURCH: And Alexandra Field has been closely following this story. She joins us live from Seoul in South Korea.

Alexandra, Pyongyang calls it another provocation by the U.S. What's Seoul saying about that and how much concern is there across South Korea about what might come next?

[02:19:54] ALEXANDRA FIELD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, officials here in South Korea and in the U.S., of course, see the provocations as coming from North Korea, and that's why they have redeployed the "USS Carl Vinson" back to the waters off of the Korean Peninsula. As we continue to point out, it is not unusual to see a U.S. aircraft carrier in these waters. They routinely participate in military exercises.

What is, of course, significant is the fact that U.S. officials are saying that this return of the "USS Vinson" to these waters is the result from provocations from North Korea. And you now have the defense ministry here in South Korea saying the return of the "USS Vinson" shows it is clear that the U.S. assesses the North Korean nuclear threat as a grave threat, talking about the seriousness of the threats that we continue to see coming out of North Korea. It is no secret that Washington has upped its responses to North Korea. They're considering all options. As you heard the national security adviser say, that's the drum beat that's been coming out of Washington in recent days and weeks. We have not yet seen a clearly articulated policy towards North Korea from the Trump administration. But we've seen a lot of talk about this considering of different options. You even heard the U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, on a trip to the region, saying a military option could be on the table if deemed necessary by the U.S. Of course, that option no one wants to talk about or entertain because a preemptive strike or action against North Korea of any type would most certainly result in retaliation against South Korea, specifically on the city of Seoul. There are 24 million people who live in the wider metro area here. So we've seen this return now, this decision to return the "USS Carl

Vinson" to the waters off the peninsula. Right now, it should be interpreted though as a show strength, a show of force. You've got some 30,000 U.S. troops who are permanently stationed here on the peninsula. This is a flexing of American muscle, a return of this ship to these waters, certainly designed to send a message to Pyongyang. The question, how will Pyongyang respond to what they will see surely as another provocation.

CHURCH: Exactly. Alexandra, the big worry and expectation, now, is that North Korea could fire off its sixth nuclear test at any moment. What's being said about that?

FIELD: That is a constant concern both for officials in the U.S. and right here. The defense ministry here in Seoul is saying that we could see another missile test somewhat soon. You could also see another nuclear test, a sixth nuclear test. It's impossible to predict when North Korea takes these kinds of actions, as we well know. But South Korean officials say this is a time to closely watch North Korea, because you've got some important political events coming up inside North Korea, including celebration of the founder's birthday. We know that in the past North Korea has timed these provocative measures to coincide with either important goings on inside North Korea or outside of the country on a wider diplomatic scale. Of course, South Koreans are closely watching North Korean as always. You've got analyst who continue to closely monitor and interpret data collected by satellites. Those satellite images suggest some activity at North Korean nuclear sites which seem to provide evidence that North Korea could be planning to try and conduct a sixth nuclear test -- Rosemary?

CHURCH: Our Alexandra Field, keeping a very close on developments there in Seoul, South Korea, where it is 3:23 in the afternoon. Many thanks.

VANIER: U.S. President Donald Trump has accused China of stealing American manufacturing jobs. Well, our Matt Rivers reports on a Chinese company that is doing the opposite, bringing thousands of jobs to the U.S. Matt filed this story from Beijing to Moraine, Ohio.


MATT RIVERS, CNN ASIA-PACIFIC EDITOR (voice-over): Moraine, Ohio, just south of Dayton, is an area that used to be. It used to be filled with factories and manufacturing jobs. It used to be cheap breakfast specials across the street. But this is the Rustbelt, so the restaurant closed, the jobs left and the factories rusted out.

SHANE FREFETT (ph), EMPLOYEE: Really destroys it.

RIVERS: We met Shane Frefett, a local, in a place where Moraine has pinned its hope to Fuyao. The Chinese company opened this new $600 million plant last October in the center of this small Ohio town. It supplies auto glass to a resurgent industry in Detroit and elsewhere. More than 2,000 people work here with plans for hundreds more.

FREFETT (ph): Makes you feel good as a person. Makes you feel more complete. I mean, you're needed somewhere.

RIVERS: For decades, this plant was occupied by General Motors. They made trucks and SUVs, but it closed back in 2008 and laid off thousands.

(on camera): This SUV right here is the last one that rolled off the line before G.M. shut its doors. And that windshield is the first one that Fuyao made after it took over.

(voice-over): Fuyao is a Chinese company that has invested a billion dollars overall into U.S. operations. But if the whole "made in America," thanks to China, concept feels ironic, it could be because of this.

DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We can't continue to allow China to rape our country. And that's what they're doing.

[02:25:13] RIVERS: The president campaigned on anti-China rhetoric accusing it of stealing millions of American jobs, jobs he says he'll bring back. His tough talk resonated with people in this part of Ohio.

The factory sits in Montgomery County, which voted Obama in 2008 and 2012, but went narrowly for Trump in 2016. It's one of the key counties that delivered him the presidency. And yet, here in Moraine, there are thousands of people relying on Chinese company for a paycheck.

CNN met Fuyao's chairman in Beijing.

(on camera): Why hasn't the president's rhetoric about China scared you off?

(voice-over): "I'm a businessman," he says, "so is Trump. I think his threats are just campaign talk."

The company has faced accusations of low play and safety violations. There's a drive to unionize workers. Fuyao says it's addressing the concerns and plans to be here permanently.

We asked Shane Frefett (ph) what he would be doing otherwise?

FREFETT (ph): That's a tough question. Trying to find another good job, which is very hard here in Dayton.

RIVERS: The hope is that Fuyao will bring back other local jobs to an area that was, until recently, all about what use to be, now focused on what might be.

Matt Rivers, CNN, Moraine, Ohio.


VANIER: Coming up, the U.S. secretary of state meets prime ministers from some of the world's biggest economies in just a few hours at the G-7 summit. The topics likely to dominate the meeting's agenda, when we come back.

CHURCH: Plus, U.S. Senator Lindsey Graham says the Syrian president's response to recent U.S. airstrikes is like a four-letter insult. The mistake he says Bashar al Assad is making, that's still to come.

Stay with us.


[02:30:20] ROSEMARY CHURCH, CNN ANCHOR: A very warm welcome back to our viewers here in the United States and all around the world. I'm Rosemary Church.


Let's look at your to be stories this hour.


CHURCH: U.S. Secretary of state Rex Tillerson is in Italy for the G-7 summit. In just a few hours, he'll make the sixth of his counterparts from around the world to discuss Syria and Russia's role in last week's devastating chemical attack.

VANIER: Tillerson said that there was no evidence Moscow was involved but that doesn't mean they're blameless.


REX TILLERSON, SECRETARY OF STATE: Regardless of whether Russia was complicit here or whether they were simply incompetent or whether they got outwitted by the Bashar al Assad regime, you would have to ask the Russians that question. But clearly, they have failed in their commitment to the international community.


VANIER: Officials are hoping the U.S. will clarify its position at the G-7 meeting.

Nic Robertson is on location in Italy.


NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR: It certainly seems that Syria is going to take up more of the talking time here than was expected. You have Rex Tillerson from the United States, the British, the French, the German, the Italian, the Japanese and the Canadian foreign ministers all here. What we heard from Boris Johnson, the British foreign secretary, said he's cancelled a trip to Moscow. He wants to work with the foreign ministers here to come up with a collective position on Syria to help strengthen Rex Tillerson's position, the U.S. secretary of state, when he goes on to Moscow later in the week. What he won't be able to do is get us direction on their thinking. They want to not just see this military strike but they want the United States and the G-7 at large to engage in a political process to bring it into the war in Syria. So that's one side of it. But if you just rewind about a week or so, 10 days ago, Rex Tillerson was visiting the NATO foreign members in Brussels. He was delivering a very short message that they need to up their spending there. But there were questions as that time, what was the U.S. position on Bashar al Assad, because it appeared 10 days ago that U.S. position was focused on ISIS. Assad was a secondary issue. Clearly, in the space of 10 days that position has changed significantly with the chemical strike, with the U.S. strike in response to that. Now you have the foreign ministers here, who want to find out from Tillerson, what is the U.S. position. What is that position on Assad. There's concern potentially about the apparent daylight between Nikki Haley, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nation, her position and Rex Tillerson's position. So there's going to be a lot of drilling down from the foreign ministers to get to grips with what is the U.S. position and how they're going to tackle Assad and ISIS in Syria.

Nic Robinson, CNN, Luca, Italy.


VANIER: Republican U.S. Senator Lindsey Graham, who has been critical of President Trump in the past, is praising the U.S. military strike that he ordered last week.

CHURCH: Some critics question whether the strikes went far enough, especially when the Syrian airfield reopened less than 24 hours after the strike. Graham says Assad is underestimating U.S. President Donald Trump.


SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM, (R), SOUTH CAROLINA: Here is what I think Assad is telling Trump by flying from that space, "F" you. I think he's making a serious mistake. Because if you're an adversary of the United States and you don't worry about what Trump may do on any given day, then you're crazy.


VANIER: The anti-ISIS coalition troops and allied Syrian opposition forces have fought off an attack by the terror group at a joint base in southern Syria.

CHURCH: The U.S.-led coalition says the group carried out a complex attack on the Syrian/Jordanian border against a vehicle rigged with an explosive device and 20 to 30 suicide bombers.

VANIER: Initial reports indicate there were no coalition casualties.

CNN reporter, Ryan Browne, has more on this.


[02:35:10] RYAN BROWNE, CNN PENTAGON CORRESPONDENT: This was an intense battle, as you said, involving multiple suicide bombers, this vehicle-borne IED. The U.S. had to call in airstrikes against this ISIS assault in order to help repel it.

This base, it's not really where a lot of the attention and the ISIS fight has been in recent months. In fact, most of that fighting has occurred further north where U.S. Arab and Kurdish allies are making a push on Raqqa, ISIS's self-declared capitol, backed by U.S. troops. This has been along the Jordan border, the south, a little bit out of the way of the main fighting. So a little bit of the surprise, this attack by ISIS, but the coalition and its local allies were able to fight it off successfully in this case.


CHURCH: Police in Sweden have made a second arrest after Friday's terror attack. Four people were killed when a driver hijacked this truck, plowing into a crowd in the capitol. Police say a man they arrested after the attack was likely behind the wheel.

VANIER: Prosecutors say a second man is being held on suspicion of terror. New video shows the chaotic moments of the attack. This is view from inside a shop. You can see people fleeing and that was the truck speeding by. There it is. This street is normally only for pedestrians.

CHURCH: But as our Max Foster reporters, terror has not scared Swedes away.


MAX FOSTER, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: There's been a fierce determination here to get life back to normal. That message has come from the king and the prime minister, right down to the ordinary Swede. So imagine this was the street where the attacker came thundering down in his truck. That's how busy it would have been. Amazing to think there weren't more deaths, there weren't more injuries.

The message here is that people should carry on with their ordinary lives it defiance of that horrendous terror threat.

The truck came thundering down here into this department store. They put up plyboard, as you can see, to replace the smash window. Instead of leaving it there, people are coming here, and it's almost turned into a makeshift shrine. You can see messages there, people pin the message RIP. But mostly, and repeatedly, a word which means together. All the flowers are being taken from areas like this and placed on some steps around the corner for a vigil. And that was a national moment for the country to come together.

There's been a huge outpouring of gratitude as well to the emergency services and their rapid response to the attack on Friday so people are laying flowers on police cars, with cards, saying, we're proud of what you did.

Max Foster, CNN, Stockholm, Sweden.

(END VIDEOTAPE) CHURCH: Coming up, the hunt is on for this man who allegedly sent a manifesto to the president of the United States. Police say he's armed and dangerous. We'll tell you what the FBI is doing next.

VANIER: Plus, the mental illnesses that plagued California's tech industry. We'll have a report on silicon's valley darkest secret when we come back.

Stay with us.


[02:41:23] CHURCH: An urgent manhunt is under way in the state of Wisconsin for a robbery suspect who allegedly sent a lengthy manifesto to President Donald Trump. The 32-year-old then posted this video on social media showing him actually sending the document. The 161-page manifesto contained anti-religious writings and grievances against the government.

VANIER: Police say the man is armed and dangerous. Security has been ramped up at churches and places of worship. The FBI is offering a $10,000 reward leading to his arrest.

CHURCH: In the CNN series "Mostly Human," our Laurie Segall is digging into some of the darkest secrets of Silicon Valley.

VANIER: As she learned, some of the creative genius in the tech industry is also linked to depression and bipolar disorder.

Here is a closer look at that.


LAURIE SEGALL, CNN TECH CORRESPONDENT: I've been covering tech for many years and got to know a lot of founders during this journey to success. One thing I started noticing, you know, we only tell one I'd of the story. In some cases, not all, but in some cases, there is a darker side of success. Take a look.

RAND FISHKIN, CEO & FOUNDER, MOZ: I think as the CEO, you're asked by your investors, by employers, friends and family to have this undefeatable nature that you're on top of the world. The reality, of course, is completely different.

SEGALL (voice-over): Rand Fishkin is the kind of entrepreneur that you'll see on the magazine covers. He's the founder of Moz, which grew from a small startup to a company worth millions. But there was a dark under current to all his success.

FISHKIN: When a venture fund puts $20 million to work, they're expecting to get no less than $80 or $100 million out of that. Those are extremely unusual. So the startup odds are working against you all the time. I think I went into kind of a dark spiral that took me months to identify.

SEGALL: It wasn't just a bad day or a lot of pressure, it was clinical depression.

(on camera): What role do you think startup culture played in contributing to pressure?

FISHKIN: It's difficult to say. When you're swimming, you don't realize water is all around. Startup culture is sort of the same thing. It's like a badge of honor to show how busy you are. Sleep is not cool. Pregnancy, not cool. All these things that normal human beings do and need. People need families and need to go to sleep at night. Somehow that is excluded from the acceptable portion of the culture.

SEGALL: How are you doing now?

FISHKIN: Better, but there's an association of shame. No one is willing to talk about it. A lack of openness, lack of role models talking about it meant that you felt even worse. You'll put this out there and be rejected and turned away. Certainly, speaks to why a lot of people are not comfortable sharing.

SEGALL (voice-over): One of the people who helped him through his depression was Jerry Colonna.

(on camera): He was like, you've got to talk to Jerry, you've got to talk to Jerry. So here we are today.

JERRY COLONNA, PROFESSIONAL COACH: I love the fact that he said Jerry and not Jerry Colonna.

SEGALL: I get it. It's Jerry.

(voice-over): Think of him as the CEO whisperer. He spent his career as an influential investor now he's coach to some of the most prominent leaders in the tech world. He empathizes because he's been there.

COLONNA: I entered this period of profound depression. I was suicidal and wanting to leave. It doesn't matter how much external success you have. The more external affirmation you have, the worse you feel.

SEGALL (on camera): What is the myth of success?

COLONNA: That it will bring happiness.

[02:45:00] SEGALL: We look at the issues of mental health through the lens of technology in Silicon Valley. But the reality is, it impacts so many people. According to the CDC, it's one in four that are impacted by this. I have had family members, if you ask around, everyone in some sense has been touched by this. What's different about it, it's really difficult to talk about it. When you look at Silicon Valley, your brain is perceived as your money maker. If people think something is wrong with your brain, then, you know, maybe you won't get the deal, maybe this won't be a good thing for you. I think that's where a lot of people are trying to break down barriers and have a conversation about this and not just in technology but all around the country and all around the world because it's certainly an important conversation.


CHURCH: And you can watch more of Laurie Segall's reporting, by visiting

VANIER: Coming up after the break, he's been a fan favorite for years and now Spain's Sergio Garcia is finally the winner of a major golf championship.

CHURCH: We'll tell you about the tense show down of this year's Masters. That's next.

Do stay with us.


[02:50:00] VANIER: Spanish golfer, Sergio Garcia, has finally a first major championship of his career. He defeated Justin Rose in a dramatic sudden-death playoff at this year's Masters tournament in Augusta, Georgia.

CHURCH: Garcia is the third Spaniard to win the coveted green jacket and he won it on the birthday of his idol, the late, great Seve Ballesteros.

Here is how Garcia explained his excitement during the nail-biting showdown to our Don Riddell.


DON RIDDELL, CNN WORLD SPORT CORRESPONDENT: So, that was awesome. Many congratulations. They say the best things come to those who wait.

Most people will have no idea what it was like to go through what you did today and to pull it off in the end. Can you describe what it was like and what was going on inside?

SERGIE GARCIA, PRO GOLFER & MASTERS CHAMPION: To tell you the truth, I was quite calm all day, which was great because it allowed me to have clearer thoughts in my head and allowed me to sing a little bit more freely. It allowed me to create thinks which was able to do throughout the whole career. Yeah, it was an amazing day. It was a joy to be out there playing with Justin and both playing well and going at each other. So it was a thrill.

RIDDELL: What happened at the end? I mean, it was a very moving moment for everybody who was watching. It was incredible.

GARCIA: Yeah, I could feel the energy from the crowd and everything. Everybody was -- it felt like everybody was just so looking forward to that moment, not only myself and my whole group, my whole team. But everybody about that community. It felt like they were waiting for that to happen and, you know, just a lot of different thoughts, a lot of different memories, past memories from past Masters for me, and all the major championships and all the tournaments. So just a whole bunch of little flashers that -- it was nice to go through it that quickly, I guess.

RIDDELL: I can only imagine how emotional it would be, just to do it. But to do it on what would have been on Seve's 60th birthday. If he were here, what do you think he would be talking about?

GARCIA: I don't know. I mean, I think probably he'll be proud of me. I think that he'll probably have a little glass of wine together. But it was special to do it -- to do it on his -- what would have been his 60th birthday on a place that I know has been so special for him and for his Maria and now also for me. And it's just -- I'm glad I got to do it and, you know, we can enjoy it.


VANIER: Australia has been getting battered by cyclones recently and the season isn't over yet.

Meteorologist Karen Maginnis from the CNN International Weather Center, joins us now with more on that.

Karen, what's going on?

KAREN MAGINNIS, AMS METEOROLOGIST: A lot is taking place. Typically, this would be the tail end of the tropical cyclone season in the southwest Pacific basin. But a lot of activity here. The season was very slow to start. Once it did, we saw very powerful system, the last one with Tropical Cyclone Debby, that just plowed in across Queensland. Even the remnants pummeled sections of New Zealand. Right across the Solomon Islands, beginning to move in to that warm area of Papua New Guinea, we've got the development of a potential system, could be Cyclone Francis. And then there is this, Cyclone Cook. It has already moved across Vanuatu and is now moving across. It had a clearly defined lot. This is not a huge, massive cyclone, but nonetheless, it has high concentration of brain fog. Any accountability that we've seen significant rain fall totals. You can see under 300 millimeters at one location, but there is more in store for New Caledonia. It moved across, the eye has already moved across New Caledonia and we will expect, perhaps, the infrastructure will be heavily damage. Additional rainfall will produce some extreme flooding and we will see plenty of property damage there. The potential for loss of life. Over the next 24 to 48 hours, we could expect an additional 100 to 150 millimeters of rainfall. Then it starts to move towards the south and southwest. It starts to weaken. What happens? Remember in New Zealand, that's near that bay of plenty, we sought devastating rainfall there. So it's still pretty far the future, but nonetheless, one to keep an eye out for that area was so devastated. Then the heat is on. This is quite a different system, a scenario climatologically speaking across India. The pre- monsoonal heat. This also encompasses a good portion of Pakistan where the next several days, they're looking at temperatures running way above normal. As I mentioned, this is pre-monsoonal heat that takes place here. As the Intertropical Convergent zone starts to move towards the north, we start to see that flow across India, that breaks that heat. Until then, we have seen devastating heat waves with this pre-monsoonal season begins. Karachi, it was back in 2015.

Back to you guys.

[02:55:55] VANIER: All right.

CHURCH: Thanks, Karen.

VANIER: Karen Maginnis from the International Weather Center here at CNN. Thank you so much.

And thank you for watching. I'm Cyril Vanier.

CHURCH: I'm Rosemary Church.

We'll be right back after this short break with more news from all around the world. Do stay with us.