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Manhunt Ongoing For a Suspected Killer In Cleveland; "All Options on the Table" For North Korea, H.R. Mcmaster; United Airlines Changes Policy Ater Incident; Car Bomb Attack In Syria; Climate Change a Health Risk. Aired 5-6p ET

Aired April 16, 2017 - 17:00   ET


[17:00:00] ANA CABRERA, CNN ANCHOR: He has killed several other people today. But police have not verified any other murders, just the one. Here is what we know right now. A manhunt is under way for the suspect traveling in a white or cream colored vehicle. He is bald with a full beard wearing a striped polo shirt.

Joining me now is CNN's law enforcement analyst and former FBI assistant director, Tom Fuentes. So Tom, this is a developing situation. Walk us through what law enforcement would be doing in terms of reacting. And now we have a picture of him as well that we're putting up on our screen. What is happening right now among police?

TOM FUENTES, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Well, mainly, Ana, they're trying to learn everything they can about him and who he knows, who his friends, colleagues, co-workers, anyone else that may know anything about him obviously including his whereabouts, and try to determine is he out in that SUV roaming around where he's still armed and dangerous, or you know, who knows?

He could have gone and parked somewhere and killed himself. We don't know that yet either. So, they're trying to verify all of that. Obviously he streamed this on Facebook so he used social media. Police will also be checking out social media for any other contacts of his to get more information. The other thing is they have his name and it sounds like, you know, his residence is Cleveland, so they'd be able to do record checks on him.

Is he a veteran? Is he suffering from PTSD? Does he have some other kind of psychological disorder that's, you know, led him to do this? And obviously in this case we see extreme narcissism. The fact that, not just the fact that he committed the murder, but that he streamed it to make himself famous on Facebook, and I think that's one of the keys that will probably end up being his downfall, is that he's trying to attain as much in his mind, glory for what he's done.

CABRERA: Right. Given that he has put so much out there on social media, does it surprise you that they have not tracked him down yet?

FUENTES: Not really. They've only had a short time and, you know, we don't know exactly, you know, where he might have been and what they're actually doing about it. So I think that, you know, this may take a little bit of time. If he's gone and parked somewhere or changed vehicles or, you know, gone into let's say a remote area where the main patrol officers wouldn't be able to find him readily.

That's why they're going to need the greater part of the investigation to get information from people who know him and can supply the police with more details about where he might be right now.

CABRERA: We're showing his picture because police want to get this out there. They want to warn the community, clearly, and they also want help in tracking him down. That's why we're continuing to show the picture from the police department's twitter account here. As we've been discussing that he has been wanting and seeking it seems like, attention for the crime that police say he has committed.

At least one murder is what they have verified. Again, he has claimed on social media to have committed other murders. Given that he's been active, would police have access to cell phone signals in helping to determine his location?

FUENTES: Well, they may, you know, we don't know if they know that information about what his cell phone is and obviously, yes, they can work with the phone company and track down through which phone repeaters and antenna system his phone might be accessing. So yes, if in fact they know what his phone number is and if the phone is turned on, that would help them track him hopefully.

CABRERA: Alright, Tom Fuentes. We'll continue to follow the story and as we get more information, we'll of course pass it along to our viewers. Thank you so much, Tom.

And now I want to get to the latest developments out off North Korea. A major question still lingering after the failed missile launch, how will President Trump respond to this act of aggression? The president is expected to land in Washington within the hour. And tonight, the White House is ruling nothing out saying, matter of factually, that all options are on the table, including military, diplomatic and economic.

Now as for Vice President Mike Pence, who's just across the border in South Korea, he is also speaking to the gravity of the situation today calling the failed launch a provocation. When it comes to the missile, intelligence officials are still trying to learn more. Initial reports show it could have been a medium-range missile that blew up mere seconds after launch. Yet government officials warn despite the embarrassing failure, the threat from North Korea is not over.


REP. ED ROYCE (R), CHAIRMAAN, FOREIGN AFFAIRS COMMITTEE: I would say that we shouldn't take too much comfort because even in failure, this program continues to advance and they will be closely in the not-too- distant future in a position where they can hit all 50 states in the United States with an ICBM.


CABRERA: We have reporters and experts tracking every development from Washington to the Korean Peninsula. Let's begin here at home. Suzanne Malveaux is live at the nation's capitol. Suzanne, how is the White House reacting to this?

[17:05:02] SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well Ana, the White House is conveying several different messages. First, they're down playing the significance of North Korea's failed missile test. They're suggesting that there is not a required response from the United States regarding this specific provocation. National security advisor General McMaster speaking from Afghanistan today said it is a failed test which followed another failed test. There is no need to reinforce their failure.

A U.S. official also told us that the White House response is intentionally low key as to not give North Korea the attention that it is seeking. The second message, however, is that the National Security Council, in coordination with the Pentagon, the State Department, U.S. intelligence agencies, they're all working on having a wide range of options ready for President Trump to use if North Korea continues the pattern of provocation, destabilization, this threatening behavior namely its march to get a nuclear weapon.

McMaster says that the U.S. and its allies, Japan, China and South Korea, they are in agreement that this problem is coming to a head and that all options are on the table.


H.R. MACMASTER, NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER: And I think it's really the consensus with the president, our key allies in the region, Japan and South Korea in particular, but also the Chinese leadership that this problem is coming to a head. And so it's time for us to undertake all actions we can short of a military option to try to resolve this peacefully.


MALVEAUX: And similar to President George W. Bush and Obama's administration, the emphasis is on China's role as North Korea's biggest trading partner, its energy provider, to try to influence or try to curtail its nuclear ambitions. Now, President Trump recently held a summit with China's president and he's dangled some carrots in front of him suggesting that the U.S. could make a sweeter trade deal with China if they got tougher with North Korea.

And he also suggested that he could reverse his campaign promise to designate China a currency manipulator. He was tweeting this morning, Ana, saying this, "Why would I call China a currency manipulator when they are working with us on the North Korean problem? We'll see what happens." And at the same time suggesting that the U.S. is preparing for more aggressive action against North Korea, if necessary.

He also tweeted this, "that our military is building and is rapidly becoming stronger than ever before. Frankly, we have no choice." Ana.

CABRERA: Alright, Suzanne Malveaux reporting from Washington. Thanks.

Let's go now to CNN's chief political correspondent, Dana Bash, she's the only network correspondent travelling in South Korea with Vice President Mike Pence. He arrived in Seoul just hours after that failed launch. Dana, how is the president -- vice president responding?

DANA BASH, CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENCE: Vice President Mike Pence was on his plane, on Air Force Two, on his way here to South Korea when he got word about North Korea's failed missile test. It was actually within an hour of taking off after refueling in Alaska that he was told. His advisors came back and told those of us reporters on his plane that it failed within four or five seconds of the attempt, and that's why they made clear that they were not going to make a big deal out of it, that the response was going to be very much to down play it.

And that's certainly what we saw from the vice president himself. His first remarks here on the ground in South Korea were in and around having Easter dinner with U.S. troops and he talked vaguely about what happened.


MIKE PENCE, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: This morning's provocation from the North is just the latest reminder of the risks each one of you face every day in the defense of the freedom of the people of South Korea and the defense of America in this part of the world.


BASH: Now that's a far cry from the really tough talk we have seen and heard from the president. President Trump both in his words before cameras and on twitter over the past week or so being very aggressive vis-a-vis North Korea. But the vice president and his aides are making very clear that they don't think that that is appropriate for several reasons.

One is they don't want to give the North Koreans the satisfaction of reacting or maybe overreacting, particularly because this was a failed test and kind of an embarrassment for the North Korean regime. But also because they understood making their way here for the vice president of the United States to be on the Korean Peninsula at this tense time, and also a day after North Korea's biggest holiday of the year where they like to show their military might.

According to an aide traveling with the vice president, this was not a matter of if but a matter of when. And had there been a nuclear missile test and not something that clearly was not of that ilk, the U.S. reaction and action could be quite different. Dana Bash, CNN, Seoul, South Korea.

CABRERA: Thank you, Dana. Again, traveling with Vice President Mike Pence in South Korea.

Still ahead here in the "Newsroom," President Trump on his way back to Washington.

[17:10:01] Are all options really on the table with respect to North Korea? We'll discuss that next. Also ahead, we are continuing to monitor our breaking news story.

Cleveland police searching for this man that they say has claimed to have committed multiple homicides, killed multiple people. We are continuing to track this story and will have the very latest when we come back.


CABRERA: The White House says President Trump and U.S. allies agree that the situation in North Korea is "coming to a head" following last night's failed missile launch. Today, President Trump's national security advisor says when it comes to a response all options are on the table. We have a panel of experts standing by joining me.

Fellow of the World Policy Institute, Jonathan Crystal and CNN global affairs correspondent, Elise Labott. Elise, first to you, fill us in on what officials here in the U.S. have now learned about this failed launch?

ELISE LABOTT, CNN GLOBAL AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT: Well, Ana, it appears to be a medium-range ballistic missile that was launched.

[17:15:03] Of course, it failed and exploded after about five seconds after launch, so it really makes it a little bit more difficult for the U.S. to kind of figure out what exactly the type of missile it is. But the fact that it failed and fell apart after only five seconds, the U.S. is seeing as a good sign, you know, a welcome sign. But of course, I don't think we can be too complacent about it because every time North Korea launches a missile, it learns more. It helps develop its program.

So, you know, five seconds after launch, it failing, good sign. But that doesn't mean that it still wasn't a dangerous move. That brings North Korea closer to its ultimate goal which is having that long- range intercontinental ballistic missile, that ICBM, that could reach the United States one day.

CABRERA: And they are also emphasizing, U.S. officials saying that this is not meaning anything in terms of a possible nuclear test that could still be upon us at any moment.

LABOTT: That's right.

CABRERA: Jonathan, let me turn to you. We heard from McMaster, the president's national security advisor basically saying and reiterating what we heard from Secretary of State Rex Tillerson previously, which is "all options are on the table" but he also kind of qualified that statement saying short of military action, short of an armed conflict. Is he de-escalating with those words the situation?

JONATHAN CRYSTAL, FELLOW, WORLD POLICY INSTITUTE: I think what he's doing is kind of resetting the status quo idea. I mean, if we were to signal that we were about to launch a military strike, that would put Kim Jong-Un in the exact position that he wants to avoid. And the entire reason he has these military buildup and these missiles and nuclear missiles tests is so he can make a -- inflict severe consequences on the United States and South Korea if they were to take any military action against the North Korean homeland.

CABRERA: We did see a measured response from the president himself who hasn't in the past pulled any punches on twitter. But here is what he tweeted this morning following those missile tests, "Why would I call China a currency manipulator when they are working with us on the North Korean problem. We will see what happens." So Jonathan, what can China do to help?

CRYSTAL: Well, whether or not they work with us or not with us, China has a strong interest in reining in North Korea to a degree. China does not want a North Korean collapse if that comes naturally or if that comes as a result of U.S. military action. They don't want a flood of refugees across their border.

They don't want the U.S. and South Korean military on their border. So they have their own interests in making sure that North Korea -- they certainly want to see Kim Jong-Un's regime survive, but they don't --

CABRERA: Because that creates some stability in their mind?

CRYSTAL: Right. And he is an ally of theirs, but they don't want him to go too far and to the point where we might actually retaliate with a military response.

CABRERA: So Elise, let's talk a little bit about China. Has China shown any sign that they're ready to handle North Korea differently than they have in the past?

LABOTT: Well, there's growing signs that China is growing increasingly frustrated with North Korea. You've seen them turn back some shipments of North Korean coal. You know, they've cut their imports of North Korean coal which is a big source of revenue for the regime. You've also seen some editorials recently in state newspapers close to the Chinese government that say that, you know, North Korea needs to stop its provocative actions because North Korea could see China stop sending oil to North Korea.

I mean North Korea really relies on Chinese oil. They use a lot of coal for their energy but they use it for the military. They use it for transport. They use it for agriculture. And China holds 85 percent of North Korean trade. And so I think as President Trump has been working with his team and learning more about past negotiations and why they failed with North Korea, I think there's a recognition here that China has never really been fully in the game and that's certainly the linchpin now.

It's obvious to the U.S. strategy, which is to get China to put more pressure on North Korea and they can do that from a variety of carrots and sticks. You've seen that tweet that you just alluded to, President Trump as saying, hey, if you're going to work with me, I'm not going to label you a currency manipulator. He promised President Xi, he said in an interview with the "Wall Street Journal," that he offered more favorable trade concessions to China if they were to work together on North Korea.

So, you know, it doesn't -- it is unclear who's playing who here, but clearly President Trump sees the Chinese as the linchpin in his strategy. We'll have to see how much China's willing to do. But certainly China has been growingly concerned about North Korean missile tests,

[17:20:03] nuclear tests, and I think that if you were to see another nuclear test by North Korea, the Chinese would not be happy and they would take some action.

CABRERA: We do hear from Congressman Ed Royce that -- he's the chair of the House Foreign Affairs Committee that -- now he has seen indications that the White House is now considering putting sanctions on 10 Chinese banks that do business with North Korea. Jonathan, would that have an impact?

CRYSTAL: I think it certainly would have an impact. That's a question of whether it has enough of an impact to actually affect the situation on the ground, and that I'm not so sure of. I'm also not an expert in Chinese banks. But there are certainly steps that the United States could take in terms of additional sanctions on Chinese actors, businesses and individuals, that would have a tremendous impact on North Korea.

But again, you also have to be very careful about pushing too hard. What you don't want is you don't want Kim Jong-Un to feel so boxed in that it forces him to act in ways that he has yet to. We're talking about --

CABRERA: Like what? What could he do?

CRYSTAL: That's the thing. We're talking about we should never be complacent about North Korea. North Korea has shelled South Korean islands. They have sunk South Korean ships. They have consistently violated their agreements to the international community. They have tested -- they withdrew from the NPT.

They have tested missiles of what we're talking about right now. They have another anniversary coming up on the 25th in which they might well do some sort of other test. So, they have shown a willingness to act in almost any circumstance, and we don't really want to push them too far.

CABRERA: Do you agree with that, Elise?

LABOTT: Well, I think that there is a lot that China can do and, you know, I don't think North Korea -- I mean it remains to be seen whether if China were to put actions on North Korea, whether they would step back. You've seen in the past, and I mean it is true, you know, the U.S. is considering sanctions on Chinese companies, what we call secondary sanctions on Chinese banks. I talked about the carrot. That is the stick.

Now in the past when China has cut off oil exports to North Korea, it has gotten them to the table. When the U.S. has cut off North Korean revenue, for instance, you remember a few years ago this bank called Delta Asia which is where North Korea was funneling a lot of its money. That got them back to the table. And so, there are instruments that the U.S. can use with China, with

the international community to get North Korea to reconsider. I think what they're looking at is the kind of, you know, financial campaign that really worked on the Iranian government to get them to the table. There was a massive crackdown on denying Iran any access to the international financial system.

It's a little bit different from North Korea because they're much more isolated and they don't want -- they don't really care to be part of the international community, but financially, there's a lot more squeezing of the North Koreans that that has worked in the past.

CRYSTAL: It has worked in certainly in bringing them to the table. And I actually think there is value in bringing them to the table, even if they are not going to live up to their end of whatever agreement and the cycle start all over again.

CABRERA: Why would that be valuable?

CRYSTAL: Well, I think again, there are some problems that have no real short-term solution. Maybe not even a medium or long-term solution. And treading water to some extent is not actually the worst strategy.


CRYSTAL: I also always think talking is better than not talking. So even in what I think would be a futile effort, if you can kind of keep things moving down the line and you keep moving the problem forward, that could be the best you hope for.

CABRERA: Jonathan Crystal and Elise Labott, we got to leave it there, but thank you both for offering that expertise and helping us to understand this complicated situation.

I want to turn to Syria now. Sadly, there has been a devastating situation there and we will be talking more about the death toll that is climbing after a suicide bomber, and we have much more on another breaking story we are following this afternoon.

Cleveland police searching for this man, a man who they say has claimed to have committed multiple murders in the Cleveland area. We're back after a quick break.


CABRERA: Breaking news, a suspected killer on the loose right now in Cleveland. Police say this man, Steve Stephens, apparently broadcast the brutal killing of an elderly man on Facebook and now Cleveland police warn the suspect is armed and dangerous. He claims he has killed several other people today, but police have not verified any other murders, just the one right now.

Here is what else we know. The manhunt is actively under way. Again, the suspect, Steve Stephens, believed to be traveling in a white or cream colored vehicle. You can see he is bald, he has a full beard. He is wearing a striped polo shirt. Police are asking us to put his photo out there.

I want to bring in our CNN law enforcement analyst, former Washington, D.C. police chief and Philadelphia Police Commissioner Charles Ramsey. Charles, I know you were on the team as monitoring use of force consent decrees for Cleveland police. You are actually flying to Cleveland tonight. First, I'm curious if you've been in contact with law enforcement about this situation and if you can tell us any more information.

CHARLES RAMSEY, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Well, I was on the phone maybe 20 minutes ago with Chief Williams, Cleveland division of the police. I don't have a lot more to add than you already have. Obviously it's very early in the investigation but they do have a person of interest that they're trying to find.

Facebook was involved in this somehow. I don't know if it was live streamed or if it was just downloaded later but it's a good possibility it was live streamed. But this individual is very dangerous, obviously, and they have to get him off the street. Chief Williams was not able to confirm

[17:30:01] whether there are any other homicides associated with this individual but there is one murder that they are looking at this individual for.

CABRERA: And we're talking about a suspect who is likely mobile. Does that complicate the police response?

RAMSEY: Well, you know, it all depends. I mean, at least they have an idea of someone who they want to talk to and interview regarding this particular case. So you put it out there and hopefully someone knows this individual, someone sees him and we're able to bring him into custody very, very quickly before he can harm someone else.

CABRERA: How do you think law enforcement would be warning the community right now given they don't know his whereabouts?

RAMSEY: Well, obviously you just did it on CNN. I'm sure they've gotten it to their local media outlets. Police departments now have really taken advantage of social media. I'm sure they have quite a few thousands of followers on social media, twitter and the like, and so they're getting that information out any way they possibly can so they can resolve this as quickly as possible.

CABRERA: Charles Ramsey, please do keep us posted as you're learning more information. Thank you for joining us. And we're going to stay on top of this story. We'll bring you any updates as we get them here in the "CNN Newsroom."

Still ahead, United Airlines making major changes after a passenger was dragged from his seat. His lawyer says he had broken teeth and a concussion. Up next, I'll talk to consumer right advocate Ralph Nader. You're live in the "CNN Newsroom."

[17:35:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK) CABRERA: United Airlines is now changing its policy after backlash from that viral video. Surely you've seen it showing a passenger being dragged off a flight. Lawyers for Dr. David Dao say he suffered a concussion, a broken nose and other injuries after this happened. This is when he was forcibly removed from a United Airlines plane in Chicago. United later saying Dao's seat was needed for a commuting crew member.

Well, here's United's new statement just this weekend saying, "we issued an updated policy to make sure crews traveling on our aircraft are booked at least 60 minutes prior to departure and this ensures situations like Flight 3411 never happen again." CNN's Rene Marsh reports on what's next for the injured passenger.

RENE MARSH, CNN AVIATION CORRESPONDENT: Attorneys for David Dao, the man dragged off of a full United Express flight fired a warning shot saying they will probably sue.


THOMAS DEMETRIO, ATTORNEY FOR DAVID DAO: If you are going to eject a passenger, under no circumstances can it be done with unreasonable force or violence.


MARSH: Dao was released from the hospital but suffers a long list of injuries, including a concussion, broken nose, injured sinuses, he lost two front teeth and he's set to undergo reconstructive surgery. After the incident, Dao appeared dazed as he rambled "just kill me."


DAVID DAO, PASSENGER, UNITED AIRLINES: Just kill me. Just kill me.


MARSH: His attorney explained.


DEMETRIO: He said that he left Vietnam in 1975 when Saigon fell. And he was on a boat and he said he was terrified. He said that being dragged down the aisle was more horrifying and harrowing than what he experienced in leaving Vietnam.


MARSH: Dao's daughter said watching the video made her family even more outraged.


CRYSTAL DAO PEPPER, DAUGHTER OF DAVID DAO: What happened to my dad should have never happened to any human being regardless of the circumstance. We were horrified. (END VIDEO CLIP)

MARSH: The attorney also blamed the city of Chicago and its officers. While a lawsuit has not been filed yet, they've signaled it's the direction they're going in asking a court to order the airline and Chicago Airport Police to preserve evidence, including surveillance video of passengers boarding the flight, the cockpit voice recordings, and personnel files.


JUSTIN GREEN, CNN AVIATION ANALYST: This happened in the absolute worst city, Chicago. It's famous for being a very good place to sue a corporation and it's the last place on Earth that United Airlines would want to defend the case.


MARSH: Well, CNN has obtained an e-mail the airline sent to passengers offering reimbursement for the flight. It says customers are eligible for vouchers towards future flights if they release the airline from lawsuits. Well, after CNN reported this, a United spokesperson later told us that it didn't mean to send passengers e- mails with that language, and then told us that no person on board that flight would have to agree to such terms. Rene Marsh, CNN, Washington.

CABRERA: Thank you, Rene. What a mess for United. Hopefully it results in something for travelers.

Let's talk more about the United Airlines controversy and what may be coming next. Joining me on the phone, consumer advocate and former independent and Green Party presidential candidate, Ralph Nader. He's also the author of "Breaking Through Power, It's Easier Than We Think." Ralph, thank you for joining us.

RALPH NADER, FORMER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE (via telephone): You're welcome, Ana.

CABRERA: I know in the 1970s you actually helped to set the precedent for airlines to compensate passengers bumped from a flight. So what's your reaction to this video we have seen over and over again now of Dr. Dao being dragged off a plane?

RALPH NADER, FORMER PRESIDENTEIAL CANDIDATE: Well, first of all, I don't think Southwest Airlines would have done that. And I think the first step is to punish these misbehaving airlines who charge you for everything but breathing, the reservation changes, baggage fees, upper bins, buying a ticket at the ticket counter, buying a ticket on the telephone. United and others charge for that. Southwest doesn't. So that's one market approach. In other words, favor the airline that is responsive. The second is that

[17:40:03] existing legislation -- it's now being drafted by people like Senator Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut. Passenger rights bills have been floating around Congress going nowhere for years. And I think this tragedy with Dr. Dao is going to build up grassroots support for passenger bill of rights because the existing contract, which nobody can read. We're all told we've agreed to it the minute we bought a ticket.

CABRERA: There's that fine print always, right?

NADER: Yes. It's like 64 pages single-spaced, the United Airlines contract of carriage with 37,000 words. So, that's a one-sided contract. That has to be changed by a passenger bill of rights in Congress. So the proverbial contact to your senator and representative.

CABRERA: I think a lot of people would agree with what you just said in terms of the outrage of all these extra fees, and what seems to be worse customer service. But I've also read that United did have the legal right to force Dao off this plane, right?

NADER: Yes. The way a dictator has legal rights when they rig the laws. It's a one-sided contract. That's why Dr. Dao has a cause of action, as you describe. He's going to get a big settlement or a big verdict. He'll never have to work again. But the important thing is that these one sided contracts, standard form contracts from the fine print, they can never be allowed to be so dictatorial because we have no bargaining power.

We don't even see it. We don't even negotiate it. The minute we buy a ticket, we're stuck with it. And that's why Congress has got to put in a passenger bill of rights to balance out the rights between passengers and the airlines, especially since it's all down to four major airlines now, the competition is getting less and less domestically.

CABRERA: So going back to this contract of carriage that you've been talking about. I understand that a few years back, your group actually tried to make a change, You tried to convince the FAA to change the rules. So, what happened? Why didn't it worked?

NADER: Well, our project,, it told the FAA, look, you're regulating the airlines and part of regulations is to make sure it is a fair recognition of rights of passengers. And so you can take this monstrous 64-page contract and fine print and make it fairer. Put it up to a public comment so people around the country can comment on it on the internet and then require these airline contracts of carriage to be fairer and the FAA wouldn't do it. The FAA is a very weak regulator.

CABRERA: So do you think that now we all have these cell phones that that's provided an opportunity, an outlet that's given travelers more power in this situation because we have videos like the one we just showed?

NADER: Very much, Ana. And that is costing United Airlines obviously. It's costing the passenger sales, its stock is fluttered. Its reputation and brand name is not what it was and that sends a signal to all the other airlines. I mean, you just don't do that. You can get people off the airplane by just providing cash and keep going up -- $500, $800, $900. There always some people not in a hurry, they'll take the next plane and have a financial windfall.

What United did was they tried the voucher game, you know, vouchers, fine print, expiring in one year on another airline trip. People don't cater to that. But if it offered cash and is free to do, then it wouldn't be a problem because millions of passengers have gone off planes in financial windfalls since my Supreme Court win in the 1970s that set up this system.

Millions of passengers have -- it works like a dream. But they have to keep increasing the incentive for enough passengers to give up their seats for the overbooked passengers to take the seats, and then take the next flight.

CABRERA: So, you just talked about one solution and in fact I think Delta might have been listening with you or with you in some kind of mind melt today because Delta Airlines just announced that it will pay passengers now up to $10,000 to give up their seats to completely avoid situations like United has faced this week.

Beyond that, do you think we're going to start to see other airlines offering other types of benefits after this controversy?

NADER: Yes. The best benefit, Ana, is cash. People understand that.

CABRERA: Back to the cash.

NADER: You see, when they get a voucher, too many qualifications and conditions and time limitations. Cash does the job.

CABRERA: All right. Ralph Nader, thank you so much for joining us.

NBADER: You're welcome.

CABRERA: Nice talking with you this evening.

It is a silent menace making it harder for us to breathe and easier to get sick.

[17:45:00] Ahead, how climate change could already be impacting your health.

And, the Vice President, visiting South Korea just hours after a failed missile test in North Korea. What he said in Seoul and the options for handling the threat posed by Pyongyang. That's ahead.


CABRERA: Sadly Syria is the scene of another violent attack this weekend. CNN cameras were there when a car bomb exploded right next to a convoy of buses filled with civilians. Nearly 70 children are now dead along with 58 adults. Victims were just trying to get to safety. They were evacuating from towns in Syria where rebels were battling Syrian government forces.

And I want to warn you this next video, very disturbing. You might want to take your children out of the room, and we'll give you a few moments to do that. Now, CNN cameras captured first the calm before the deadly attack,

[17:50:01] and then the explosion before the video cuts off. Watch.




CABRERA: Right now we don't know who is behind this deadly attack. No one has claimed responsibility. We do know the car bomb exploded in a rebel-held area, and we're working to get more details on it, again, an attack in Syria today.

Scientists say climate change is real and so are the risks to your health. A new report released by the Medical Society Consortium on Climate and Health details what's happening right now. It's harder to breathe. It's talking about how your chance of getting an infection is going up and the nutritional value of your food is going down. CNN meteorologist Allison Chinchar shows us what's happening where. Allison?

ALLISON CHINCHAR, CNN METEOROLOGIST: Ana, many people consider this to be a problem only for poor countries or newly industrialized countries, but it becomes an American problem because we are such a globalized world. Take for example the increase of temperatures. In 2016, the United States had over 32,000 record high temperatures but only 5,700 record low temperatures. That added heat has implications. Take for example the Northeast and the Midwest where we start to see an increase in insect-borne illnesses, while those illnesses can travel from one place to another because we're a globalized society.

Out west, we'll start to see an increase of wildfires that also impacts to agriculture. And we already know California grows so much of our food that could have devastating impacts. Then we talk about the southeast as well. Now, take for example -- and already many of the south eastern United States cities top out in the worst 25 cities for air quality according to The American Lung Association, and now we talk about making that even worse.

Another impact is extreme weather events. The southeast has a huge coastline that could be impacted by hurricanes. But also in just the last 10 years we've seen an increase in wildfires and also drought in the southeast, not to mention flooding. So those impacts are likely going to increase in the coming years.

And then we talk about globally, 12.6 million people die each year due to environmental risk factors. And between 2030 and 2050 that death toll is expected to rise. So Ana, certainly something that we will need to keep a close eye on in the coming years.

CABRERA: It's all interesting. Thank you Allison. Coming up, the vice president, visiting South Korea just hours after a failed missile test in North Korea. What he said in Seoul and the options for handling the threats posed by North Korea. That's ahead. Also, more on the story breaking this afternoon, Cleveland police

searching for this man, a man who they say has claimed to have committed multiple murders in the Cleveland area. We're back after a quick break.


CABRERA: Exit polls showed only 8 percent of African-Americans voted for President Trump. CNN sat down with some of those voters to ask about their vote and their hopes for this new administration at this week's "American Opportunity.


KERRY JACKSON, BLACK REPUBLICAN VOTED FOR TRUMP: Every Trump supporter is somebody that the rest of the people in the America thought why on Earth are you voting for Donald Trump? Nobody whether they're black, white, or something else is the person you're going to walk past and say he's clearly a Trump supporter. And then he said what I've been waiting to hear anybody say for over 30 years, is let's make the Democrats work for the black vote and let's make sure that we look out for urban America.

WAYNE BRADLEY, BLACK REPUBLICAN VOTER FOR TRUMP: I think that if you want to talk about changing the, you know, the way urban communities are going, you have to talk about real education reform, real school choice, more opportunities in trade schools and things like that.

TYRELL BUNDY, BLACK REPUBLICAN VOTER FOR TRUMP: From my experience, I mean, we need an adequate education and it's hard for these individuals to come from like Detroit public schools and go out in the real world and compete because you have some classes or high schools within the suburbs, there they have college credits by the time you graduate. And again, you have someone that's coming from a broken school system and someone coming from a top tier school. I mean it's no comparison. So I would just like to see adequate education.

JACKSON: We've had to in the last eight years understand that there's a change and that you can't predict that the one job you have now is going to be your job for the next 25 or 30 years. And so there's been a shift, and we've had to teach our kids and others in our society that you've got to be prepared to go from one job to another or maybe you might have to switch careers.

BUNDY: And that's the problem. That's just it. You asked jobs and that's what we have out here. A lot of people within the city who work in maybe like low end retail jobs, fast food, things like these -- we need to get back to gainful employment. You know, we actually -- we can sustain a single household income. That's how it used to be once upon a time. I think we need to get back to that. Nowadays you need two, three incomes basically to make ends meet.


CABRERA: You are in the "CNN Newsroom." Happy Easter to you and thank you for joining me. I'm Ana Cabrera in New York. We begin with breaking news this hour. Shocking new details just coming into our news room on a suspected killer on the loose right now in Cleveland. The FBI we've learned is now involved in this manhunt. A manhunt for this man, Steve Stephens. Police say Stephens apparently broadcast the brutal killing of an elderly man today on Facebook.

Right now, police are searching for him near Cleveland State University and police are warning students and faculty to shelter in place. Here's what we know about Stephens. He's armed and dangerous, according to police. He's driving a white Ford Fusion. Stephens we've learned works at a behavioral health facility that serves thousands of children, teens and families every year. A spokeswoman from that facility says,

[18:00:00] "We are shocked and horrified like everyone else to think that one of our employees could do this, is awful." Now, I want to bring in former FBI director Tom Fuentes. Tom, the FBI now assisting Cleveland police, what does that tell you?