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WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: Hello, I'm Wolf Blitzer. It's 1:00 p.m. here in Washington. Wherever you're watching from around the world, thanks very much for joining us.

Up first, breaking news. President Trump now tells "Bloomberg News" he would meet with the North Korean leader Kim Jong-Un under the right circumstances. That's likely to be a major topic in today's White House press briefing set to begin later this hour.

We're looking at live pictures from inside the briefing room. Sean Spicer, the press secretary, will be taking reporters' questions shortly. We'll, of course, have live coverage of that coming up.

In a major break with the U.S. policy, President Trump now says he'd be, quote, "honored," he used the word, honored, "to meet with the North Korean leader Kim Jong-Un if the circumstances were right." The president made the comment in that interview with "Bloomberg News" that has just been released.

No administration official has met with a North Korean leader since secretary of state Madeleine Albright did back in 2000.

Here with us is retired Rear Admiral John Kirby. He's our CNN Military and Diplomatic Analyst, former spokesman for both the Pentagon and the State Department.

Let meet be precise, read the exact quote of what the president told Bloomberg news. "If it would be appropriate for me to meet with him, I would absolutely. I would be honored to do it. If it's under the -- again, under the right circumstances, but I would do that."

And then he said, "Most political people would never say that, but I'm telling you that under the right circumstances I would meet with him. We have breaking news." That's the president of the United States.

REAR ADM. JOHN KIRBY, CNN MILITARY AND DIPLOMATIC ANALYST (retired): Well, he was right about that, wasn't he, Wolf?

BLITZER: Yes, he certainly is a -- it's a -- go ahead, give us your analysis. KIRBY: I'm stunned by the word, honored. I mean, this is a brutal

dictator who is starving his own people to try to build a nuclear program to then threaten the rest of the world and the region. So, that stuns -- that stuns me a little bit.

I'll tell you, though, that, you know, I think what you're going to hear from Sean Spicer today, he'll pivot very hard on this if the circumstances were right. I can't imagine that he's not going to constantly try to stress the fact that the president gave himself an out by saying if the circumstance is right.

The third I'd say is, look, we have always said we wanted to return to the six-part talk process to get back to the table. But that the north had to prove able and willing to do that by committing to denuclearization, which they obviously have never wanted to do.

But we always framed it, in terms of the six-party talk process not bilateral discussions. So, if that's what he means, just us sitting across from the north, that gives Kim Jong-Un an air of legitimacy that he absolutely doesn't deserve, certainly not anytime soon.

BLITZER: Here is what he said back during the campaign a little bit less than a year ago. This is in June of 2016 when he was asked if he was ready to meet with Kim Jong-Un. Listen to this.

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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: And then, one of the papers called the other day. And they said, would you speak to the leader of North Korea? I said, absolutely. Why not? Why not? And they come out, Trump would speak to him. Who the hell cares?

I'll speak to anybody. Who knows. There's a 10 percent or a 20 percent chance that I can talk him out of those damn nukes, because who the hell wants him to have nukes?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BLITZER: All right, that's what he said almost a year ago. You're shaking your head.

KIRBY: Yes. I mean, this idea of I'll speak to anybody. Look, I mean, there's a reason why foreign diplomacy can succeed in certain places and certain parts of the world. And that is that you have to -- you have to be careful not to give certain leaders legitimacy they don't deserve.

And by saying that the president of the United States of America is going to sit down next to this dictator and start talking, you know, bilaterally when they've done nothing to prove any seriousness about denuclearization is a dangerous game. And it's not going to go the way that the president seems to think it will.

BLITZER: Well, he apparently thinks if he can avoid a nuclear war -- North Korea already has some nuclear bombs. If he can avoid a nuclear war and who knows how many casualties, what's wrong with having a dialogue with Kim Jong-Un?

KIRBY: Look, if he can -- nobody is against dialogue with the north. It's just -- needs to be -- it needs to be done multi-laterally through the six-party talk process and only when the north has proven able and willing to commit to denuclearization.

You're not going to get there by giving them the legitimacy of sitting there across the table before that even happens.

BLITZER: Is there any indication, you worked in the government for a long time, that Kim Jong-Un would be ready to meet with the president of the United States? As far as I know, the only American he's met with is Dennis Rodman, the former NBA player who went to North Korea.

KIRBY: Yes. You know, it's hard to tell what's inside that guy's head. I don't know. But I think even if he said he was willing, I don't think this is the right time. These are not the right circumstances.

And, again, I think that's what Sean's probably going to end up -- my guess is having been a spokesman, he's going to pivot on that if language that the president used in that interview.

BLITZER: Let me be precise, once again. He said, if it would be appropriate for me to meet with him, I would absolutely -- I would be honored to do it if it's under the -- again, the right circumstances. But I would do that.

[13:05:11] Which is consistent what he clearly said almost a year ago during the campaign.

KIRBY: It is. I mean, and, again, it's all caveated. And that's how you get out of something like this.

But still, you have to -- even with the caveats, as president of the United States, you have to be mindful of the potential signal you're sending to Kim Jong-Un about legitimacy, about boosting him up on this level on the world stage where he clearly doesn't deserve to be.

And this is ironic, Wolf, because this is the same administration that, in the wake of a couple of tests, have said -- have issued versatile (ph) one-line statements. We've seen the reports that they have launched a missile. We're not going to comment further. And, yet, now, you've got the president saying, well, look, I'll sit down and talk to him.

BLITZER: As we're speaking, by the way, we've just been toll that the THAAD anti-missile system in South Korea is now operational. So, that's ready to go. Hopefully it won't be needed but that's designed to deal with a ballistic missile if it should be headed in that direction.

KIRBY: It is. It's a good system. It's there to protect, you know, not just our fellow South Koreans but our troops as well. And that's important. It is our system. We own it. We maintain it. And I was really glad to see that General McMaster came out and said, you know, we're not going to -- we're not going to press this reimbursement issue with the South.

BLITZER: The president suggested the South Koreans should pay a billion dollars to pay for that system. And then, the administration has since walked that back.

KIRBY: Yes.

BLITZER: Let me walk that back. This is what the president said over the weekend about Kim Jong-Un. Listen to this.

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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: He was a young man of 26 or 27 when he took over from his father, when his father died. He's dealing with, obviously, very tough people, in particular the generals and others.

And, at a very young age, he was able to assume power. A lot of people, I'm sure, tried to take that power away, whether it was his uncle or anybody else. And he was able to do it.

And so, obviously, he's a pretty smart cookie. But we have a situation that we just cannot let -- we cannot let what's been going on for a long period of years continue.

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BLITZER: He's a pretty smart cookie. Is that the assessment in the U.S. Intelligence Committee that Kim Jong-Un is a pretty smart cookie?

KIRBY: I never -- I never saw the word, cookie, in any of the assessments that I read about Kim Jong-Un. But, clearly, I think people realize that he's devious, that he's smart, that, in his mind, he has a plan here however brutal it is.

And that's why you have to take him at his word. You have to take his rhetoric seriously. You have to watch what he's doing as well. And you have to have international resolve. Not just United States resolve but international resolve to deal with a problem like Kim Jong-Un.

I was, again, stunned at the rather sympathetic language that I heard the president use. And this is not some young man who got thrust into power. This is a brutal regime. And he was hand-picked to continue that brutality.

And some would argue, and I think fairly, that he's been even more brutal than his two predecessors.

BLITZER: Here's what else jumped out at me, someone who remembers when he had his uncle killed.

KIRBY: Yes.

BLITZER: His uncle assassinated.

KIRBY: Yes.

BLITZER: Here, the president is suggesting there was a good reason that Kim Jong-Un had his uncle assassinated. He said, a lot of people, I'm sure, tried to take that power away, whether it was his uncle or anybody else.

Here is the question to you. Was his uncle trying to assume power and overthrow Kim Jong-Un, that's why Kim Jong-Un killed him?

KIRBY: I have no idea. Who knows why this guy does what he does. I don't know what the -- what the reason was behind this.

But this is a man who has assassinated generals of his own military, using an anti-aircraft machine gun. I mean, that is as brutal as it gets when you're -- when you're -- when you're going to conduct a purge.

I mean, so, whether he's sane or he's insane, he's rational or irrational, this is a man who's very, very dangerous personally and apparently professionally and you have to take him that way.

BLITZER: Very quickly. The decision the president made, he phoned the Philippines very controversial President Rodrigo Duterte and invited him to come to the White House. There's a lot of controversy, a lot of commotion. I'm sure that Sean Spicer at the briefing is going to be asked --

KIRBY: Oh, yes.

BLITZER: -- a whole bunch of questions about this. Given the record, the human rights' record that Duterte has and some of the comments he's made about the former president and other Americans. Your reaction?

KIRBY: Duterte is -- you know, he can make a corkscrew look straight. I mean, that he should be given the benefit of going to the White House is a bomb hold (ph) to me. I mean, this is the people's house. It's not President Trump's house.

And a guy like Duterte with his horrible human rights record and the devastation he's wrought on his own country should not be rewarded for any of that by going to the White House.

Now, he's saying, you know, he may be too busy to go. This is a guy who has -- who has tried to tear asunder a very strong alliance and friendship that we've had with the Philippines for more than a hundred years, who has cozied up to Russia and China, who has said despicable things about President Obama and about Secretary Kerry. And to reward him with a trip to the White House, I think, is just shameful.

[13:10:05] BLITZER: John Kirby, thanks very much.

KIRBY: My pleasure.

BLITZER: Meanwhile, the president is looking for his first big legislative win on health care reform. Members of his administration say they're hopeful, even confident that House Republicans will move forward this week.

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GARY COHN, U.S. WHITE HOUSE CHIEF ECONOMIC ADVISOR: This is going to be a great week. We're going to get health care down to the floor of the House. We're convinced we've got the votes. And we're going to keep moving on with our agenda.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are you expecting a health care bill this week?

REINCE PRIEBUS, U.S. WHITE HOUSE CHIEF OF STAFF: Well, I certainly hope so. I think so. I'm a -- I'm an optimistic person.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you have --

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BLITZER: Let's bring in our Senior White House Correspondent Jim Acosta and our Congressional Correspondent Sunlen Serfaty.

Jim, we'll get to Obamacare in just a moment, but we have some new reporting on what the Trump administration is doing with Michelle Obama's girls' education program. Update our viewers on that.

JIM ACOSTA, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: That's right, Wolf. This is something that came from our great White House producer, Kevin Liptak. He reported this, that the Trump White House has decided not to continue Michelle Obama's let girls learn initiative. This was a program that was used to help adolescent girls, in developing countries, develop their educational skills.

And, according to our reporting, over here at CNN, the word went out through a letter to Peace Corp workers that they are no longer going to use that brand or use that program as part of their initiatives.

And so, just another example, Wolf, of how things are changing over here at the White House. And anything that seems to have the Obama brand on it is going out the window, including what appears to be a pretty worthwhile program that was advocated by the former first lady.

BLITZER: So, where do we stand with Obamacare right now? The prospect of a vote this week in the House of Representatives?

ACOSTA: Well, Wolf, I just found out, in the last few minutes, that the president spoke with House Speaker Paul Ryan over the weekend. Health care was presumably one of the topics of conversation. And, obviously, there's a lot riding on all of this.

We're hearing from sources that, yes, they'd like to try again and get a vote on repealing and replacing Obamacare sometime this week. Of course, we heard that last week. One of the driving forces behind this last week was the White House chief of staff, Reince Priebus. He was, apparently, very aggressive in contacting lawmakers.

And, of course, you're hearing from top officials that they believe that the votes may be there. But when you talk to Republican sources up on Capitol Hill, there's a great deal of nervousness because they're not exactly sure all of the votes are there.

And then, there are the comments that the president made over the weekend. He's under the impression, Wolf, that this ban on any kind of discrimination against people with pre-existing conditions that exist under Obamacare, that that's going to be left in or that that ban is going to be kept in place.

Of course, the latest incarnation of the health care legislation up on Capitol Hill is going to leave it up to the states on whether to have this pre-existing condition component as part of health care.

And so, you know, it is unclear, at this point, you know, whether -- you know, that they're going to get the votes on all of this or whether they even know what they're voting on, at this point.

BLITZER: Well, let me check in with Sunlen. She's up on Capitol Hill right now. Where does it stand and specifically on this issue of pre- existing conditions?

SUNLEN SERFATY, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, still key in all of this, Wolf, is getting House moderates on board with the changes that they've made recently, that McArthur Amendment that was partially successful in getting some more conservatives on board with this plan last week.

So, they're essentially right now in the persuasion phase, trying to not only educate members on what exactly is in this bill, especially, as you know, there is some confusion over pre-existing conditions. But trying to flip those no votes, those undecided votes to yes and get to a place where they have 216 votes, when, in essence, Speaker Ryan will bring this bill to the floor if he feels he has those votes.

But, right now, according to CNN's latest whip (ph) count, it shows that the real razor-thin margins that they have here, 16 House Republicans have said that they will not vote for the bill in its current form, meaning that the Republicans can only afford to lose five more no votes or this bill will fail.

BLITZER: Very, very close right now. We'll see what happens.

Let me get back to Jim over at the White House. The president, once again, brought up the debunked claim that President Obama tapped his phones during the election, Trump Tower. Listen to what he said in that CBS News' interview.

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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Well, he was very nice to me. But after that, we've had some difficulties. So, it doesn't matter. You know, words are less important to me than deeds. And you saw what happened with surveillance and everybody saw what happened with surveillance.

JOHN DICKERSON, CHIEF WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT, CBS NEWS: Difficulties how?

DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Well, you saw what happened with surveillance and I think that was inappropriate.

DICKERSON: What does that mean, sir?

DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: You can figure that out yourself.

DICKERSON: Well, I -- the reason I ask is you said he -- you called him sick and bad.

[13:15:00] DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Look, you can figure it out yourself. He was very nice to me with words, but -- and when I was with him. But after that, there has been no relationship.

DICKERSON: But you stand by that claim about him?

TRUMP: I don't stand by anything. I just -- you can take it the way you want. I think our side's been proven very strongly and everybody's talking about it. And, frankly, it should be discussed. I think that is a very big surveillance of our citizens. I think it's a very big topic. And it's a topic that should be number one and we should find out what the hell is going on.

DICKERSON: I just wanted to find out, though, you're -- you're the president of the United States. You said he was sick and bad because he attacked you -- I'm just --

TRUMP: You can take any way -- you can take it any way you want.

DICKERSON: But I'm asking you because you don't want it to be fake news. I want to hear it from President Trump.

TRUMP: You don't -- you don't have to ask me. you don't have to ask me.

DICKERSON: Why not?

TRUMP: Because I have my own opinions. You can have your own opinions.

DICKERSON: But I want to know your opinions. You're the president of the United States.

TRUMP: OK. That's enough. Thank you. Thank you very much.

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BLITZER: With that, the president ended that interview. So, Jim, members of both parties, leaders of both parties, they repeatedly have said they've seen no evidence to back up Trump's allegations that Trump Tower was wiretapped. The head of the FBI, the former director of National Intelligence, they say there's no such evidence. So why would the president bring this up again?

JIM ACOSTA, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Well, Wolf, I think this was asked of him during this interview by John Dickerson over at CBS because he, quite frankly, has not really taken this question since all of this came up. He has not really talked about this a great deal. Over here at the White House, they seem to be under the impression that because of some unmasking that may have occurred when Susan Rice was the national security adviser for President Obama, that that somehow qualifies as surveillance and somehow gives cover to the president's claim that he was wiretapped at Trump Tower.

But time and again, Wolf, we have tried during the White House press briefing, with White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer, to try to get to the bottom of all of this and ask the White House whether they have any proof to back up the president's claim. To this date, they still have not provided that evidence. And I suppose because of these comments that were made to CBS that we're going to be asking those questions again to find out whether the White House has come up with anything.

But, Wolf, you heard during that interview, the president did not offer any evidence, did not offer any proof and seemed to be saying, well, it's his opinion and everybody has opinions. And then when John Dickerson pressed him on that point, he wanted to end the interview. And so I think this shows yet again that there are times when the president makes claims that just can't be backed up with the facts, Wolf.

BLITZER: Jim Acosta will stay on top of this at the White House. We're going to get ready for the Sean Spicer briefing later this hour. Sunlen Serfaty is up on Capitol Hill as well. There you see live pictures coming in from the White House Briefing Room. We'll have live coverage of that.

There are a lot of questions that reporters have for the White House press secretary. He'll certainly be asked about the president's latest comments on the North Korean leader, Kim Jong-un, that he would be honored -- honored to meet with him if it would help the overall situation, if it was the right thing to do. We'll have live coverage of that.

Plus, Donald Trump, the president of the United States, says the Republican plan to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act guarantees coverage for those with pre-existing conditions. A claim that could undercut the legislation the White House currently is pushing up on Capitol Hill. Republican Senator Bill Cassidy, there you see him, he's standing by live from the U.S. Senate. He'll join us to discuss that and more right after this.

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[13:22:49] BLITZER: Live pictures coming in from the White House Briefing Room. We're waiting on the press secretary, Sean Spicer. He's going to be taking questions from the news media very soon later this hour. We'll take that as soon as it begins. Lots of important questions where the reporters are going to be asking.

The White House and Republicans, they're trying once again this week to get movement on their plan to repeal and replace Obamacare. Their first effort failed to get a vote. But there is hope among the Republicans that compromises could lead to success this time. One sticking point has been coverage for people with pre-existing conditions. It's something President Trump has guaranteed, guaranteed will remain in the bill.

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TRUMP: Pre-existing conditions are in the bill. And I mandate it. I said it has to be, you know.

DICKERSON: In one of the fixes that was discussed, pre-existing was optional for the states.

TRUMP: Sure, in one of the fixes, and they're changing it and changing --

DICKERSON: Oh, OK, so it would be permanent?

TRUMP: Of course.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BLITZER: Joining us now from Capitol Hill, Louisiana Republican Senator Bill Cassidy. He's a member of the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee. He's also a physician. We're going to talk about health care. I want to get your reaction to that in a moment, senator, but let me first get your thoughts about this comment the president made just now that he would, quote, "be honored," his word, "honored" to meet with the North Korean leader, Kim Jong-un, if the situation were right. What do you make of that comment?

SEN. BILL CASSIDY (R), LOUISIANA: I think the president is unconventional. He's willing to break tradition, particularly when he think its's for the good of the county. I suspect there will be predicates for that meeting and we would expect North Korea to, if you will, change certain behaviors. And that may be enough of a draw. But the president continues to prove himself willing to do that which would be different, unacceptable in others eyes, to achieve his goals.

BLITZER: So you're OK with what he said?

CASSIDY: If -- again, I suspect there will be a predicate, that North Korea has to agree to this and this and this. And at that point they would meet. I don't know. I'm not a confidant of the president. But would that be something that might be enough of a draw for Kim Jong-un to do it? Maybe so.

BLITZER: All right, let get back to health care, a subject you've been devoting a lot of your time to. You've seen the House bill. I assume you've seen this revised House bill. Is there a hard guarantee for coverage for pre-existing conditions?

[13:25:08] CASSIDY: So if you take that they will have a high risk pool and that in the high risk pool you would take care of those with pre-existing conditions, I suspect the advocates for the bill would say that is their guarantee. The president, as he said, might want more -- something stronger than that and he's been remarkably consistent throughout the campaign and his presidency. He wants those with pre-existing conditions cared for as a physician and as somebody who's advocating that through the Cassidy-Collins bill, I'm all for that.

BLITZER: But as you know, this revised House bill gives states the option of making some significant changes, including opting out of the pre-existing conditions that have been mandated.

CASSIDY: Well, I think the president just said that he expects the final bill to take care of those with pre-existing conditions. The House bill is still a work in progress. I've spoken in the last several days both to a member of the Freedom Caucus and a member of the Tuesday Group and they both recognize it is a work in progress.

BLITZER: So the Freedom -- I just want to be precise, the Freedom Caucus is the conservative, the Tuesday Group is the more moderate Republicans. So what you're saying is the language that they've been talking about is still open to change and based on what the president wants, they're going to tighten it up and not give the states to opt out, the opt -- not give the states the option of opting out of guaranteeing health care coverage for individuals with pre-existing conditions?

CASSIDY: What I'm saying is the House has to pass a bill and there will be a mechanism in there which they think satisfies that condition. The Senate will work its will. It will go to conference committee. I'm sure the administration will be involved. There will be two other times in which this guarantee by the president can be addressed. If what the House proposes is deemed not adequate, and I don't know what the final version's going to be, I think there will be a lot of opportunity to come forward with that.

BLITZER: Have you seen any language from the House bill, this revised version?

CASSIDY: I've just seen that which is floating around, but I -- I know that they're speaking of revisions to the revisions and I've not seen that.

BLITZER: Do you think it will be necessary for the Congressional Budget Office to score or to give an assessments of this revised version before members of the House vote?

CASSIDY: I would like to see a score personally. I can't speak for the House. But you want to know the coverage numbers. President Trump also said during the campaign he wanted to make sure that coverage continued for those who had it. Again, the Cassidy-Collins bill accomplishes that. And we also lower premiums. You want to see what happens to premiums. We've got to lower premiums. I would like to know that before I voted on something.

BLITZER: All right, so I just want to be precise, senator, and as I said, you're a physician. Irrespective of if -- let's say the House passes something this week. It will go to the Senate. Will you insist that anything that emerges goes back to the House, to a joint House conference committee, as they say, will you insist that there are iron clad guarantees that individuals with pre-existing conditions will have access to health care coverage?

CASSIDY: I will insist that the president's pledges be met. And the president pledged that he would take care of those with pre-existing conditions, lowering premiums, continuing coverage. That is my goal.

Now, some folks may have different opinions of how to accomplish that. And I am open to different opinions. But the president pledged that on the campaign trail. That's how he got elected. I think it's a good -- a good starting point and a good ending point.

BLITZER: One final question before I let you go, senator. Do you support this compromised spending bill that's been put forward, that's going to come up for votes this week that will keep the government open through the current fiscal year, the end of September?

CASSIDY: We're still looking at it. There's things about it I really do like. The Budget Control Act, for example. It continues to obey that, which, obviously, we're trying to address our country's debt and deficit. It increases some spending for the military and our world has become more dangerous even than it was over the last couple years. So there's a lot of good things about it. But, Wolf, let us continue our analysis please.

BLITZER: There's no funding for the border wall and it continues funding for Planned Parenthood. Are you OK with that?

CASSIDY: Well, first, regarding the border wall, there is $1.5 billion or $1.6 billion more to secure the border. And it's interesting, our number of illegal crossings by one measure are the lowest they've been three months into the Trump presidency since late 2011. And so there's been a dramatic improvement in that. I think the president's goals of securing or border are being substantially met. He will go further. But for the first 100 days, it's not a bad start.

BLITZER: All right, senator, as usual, thanks so much for joining us.

CASSIDY: Thank you, Wolf.

BLITZER: Bill Cassidy of Louisiana.

We have some more breaking news, this time coming out of Texas. Look at the live pictures from Dallas. We're learning about an active shooter situation. The Dallas Police Department just tweeting this, "we have PIO," a public information officer, "headed to the scene. We can confirm one member of Dallas Fire Rescue has been shot and transported to a local hospital."

[13:30:06] We will continue to monitor and we'll bring you more details as we get them. We'll continue to follow that, all the breaking news.