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Trump's Revised Travel Ban Takes Effect; Trump Faces Backlash Over Twitter Attack on TV Host; Interview with Congresswoman Debbie Dingell of Washington. Aired 6:30-7a ET
Aired June 30, 2017 - 06:30 ET
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[06:32:06] CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: All right. President Trump's travel ban 2.0 now in effect. There's already a new legal challenge as the administration makes a key revision to the guidelines.
CNN's Laura Jarrett live in Washington with the latest.
And this was an important clarification. Fiances had been treated independently in immigration law for a very long time. There was a fiance exception to the visa process. Fiances had been left out of this. That's been remedied. But a new challenge.
LAURA JARRETT, CNN JUSTICE REPORTER: That's exactly right, Chris.
No chaos at the airport this time, but the Trump administration, the way they're implementing this travel ban is how it's being challenged in court. The Supreme Court has said people from six Muslim majority nations must prove a bona fide relationship to a person in the U.S. in order to enter the country.
But the state of Hawaii says the government is using this decision to wrongfully exclude a host of people like grandparents who do have a close family relationship and is now asking a federal judge, the same one that blocked the travel ban back in March, to weigh in and clarify exactly who can come in and who can't. The judge has now ordered the Justice Department to respond to that motion by Monday.
But for now, the travel ban remains in effect. In the meantime, the State Department says, as you mentioned, that fiances are allowed into the country after originally putting out guidance that said that they weren't going to count as a bona fide relationship. Despite all of the lingering questions, though, on how exactly it's going to play out in court, the scene at airports has been calm so far, and no sign of mass protests like we saw back in January -- Clarissa.
CLARISSA WARD, CNN ANCHOR: OK, Laura. You've been on this story for us. Thank you so much.
Well, coming up, the president's sexist tweets raise a lot of questions. In particular, why does President Trump target women? We're going to dig deeper. That's coming up next.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK) [06:37:53] WARD: Well, just when late night comics thought they heard it all, the president's tweets hit a new low. Stephen Colbert ripped into him last night. Take a listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
STEPHEN COLBERT, COMEDIAN: I want to say something that I didn't think was possible anymore. I am shocked by something Donald Trump said.
Someone bleeding at your door and you say no? It sounds like your health care plan.
This is shocking and vicious, so on brand.
And the reviews are in. Vulgar, crude, a new low. No, no, it's the same low.
Lindsey Graham tweeted, Mr. President, your tweet was beneath the office and represents what was wrong with American politics.
Hold it right there, Lindsey. This is not what's wrong with American politics, OK? You don't see Paul Ryan throwing shade at Chuck Schumer over his eye job, OK?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
CUOMO: His eye job.
All right. Joining us now is CNN senior media correspondent and host of "RELIABLE SOURCES", Brian Stelter, and Sarah Ellison, contributing editor at "Vanity Fair."
So, we have what the president tweets, says, does and the reaction thereto. We do a lot of time examining the first part. But we know who Donald Trump is now. The response to it can be equally appalling.
BRIAN STELTER, CNN SENIOR MEDIA CORRESPONDENT: The response to it meaning what, the media criticism?
CUOMO: No, the inaction. Paul Ryan, a man who stakes himself on family values, supposed to be a leader, the speaker of the House, the tweet is inappropriate -- talk about understatements of the year coming from a politics. But I'm here to focus on my job.
Is that the right way to lead in this situation like this?
STELTER: It's -- well, it's not leadership. If we talk about the word leadership, there's a lot of people like President Trump probably that watch television coverage of themselves, public officials who get angry at the TV. Leadership means not yelling back at the TV, not going as low as the people commenting on you.
And you're absolutely right, that we saw a lot of Republican politicians yesterday say as little as possible or make understatements about this.
[06:40:06] CUOMO: That's why the show is so unpopulated this morning with GOP lawmakers.
STELTER: Oh, that's interesting.
SARAH ELLISON, CONTRIBUTING EDITOR, VANITY FAIR: They have to go underground.
CUOMO: They run away when these things happen. They're not so crazy about defending policy. We have to cherry-pick there and find people who want to come who are ardent supporters of actual policy. And we invite them on NEW DAY. We welcome them. But --
WARD: It's an awkward moment for them, though, isn't it?
CUOMO: It's why they went there. Call out indecency, call out what's wrong. That's leadership. They shouldn't run from that opportunity.
ELLISON: It is disappointing. I have a piece in "Vanity Fair" about Trump's enablers. I look at key Republicans who have objections to him but decided not to object to him anymore because they have their own priorities about health care and tax reform or things like that. They excuse a lot of this behavior. So, you hear disappointment.
But you do wonder at a certain point when you need to hear more from them. There's a sort of deteriorating call in response that Trump's -- when you talk about the response that he gets. You need people to take the high road and really say what needs to be said, I think.
WARD: Sarah, I'm curious to get your thoughts on this. We heard the deputy press secretary say this is defense. He's fighting fire with fire. He's the one being attacked.
CUOMO: A woman, Sarah Huckabee Sanders.
WARD: A woman. Is this self-defense or is this misogyny?
ELLISON: Oh, I mean, I think the president has revealed himself time and again, whether he talks about the look of women, he talked about Megyn Kelly, he talked about Heidi Cruz, he talked about Carly Fiorina, this is -- this is deeply misogynistic behavior and words. And so, I think that to say -- I mean, I have children, I have two daughters who are 4 and 8.
It is -- you want to hide them from this kind of discussion. At the same time, because he's speaking about a journalist who is a woman, you also have the issue of how much he's been attacking the press.
Brian, you've talked about this, where he's not only attacked CNN, he's attacked "The Washington Post," "The New York Times." that's almost as serious an issue, because the media performs an important function and the media needs to keep its eye on the ball in terms of covering the things that need to be covered, whether it's health care, immigration, all these things that really actually matter. STELTER: Like so many journalists on Thursday, and again, today,
we're having to kind of apologize saying we wish we were talking about health care, but we need to acknowledge what the president has just said. His media attacks obviously have a corrosive effect and we're seeing that in polls --
WARD: But is it a tool? Is he trying to deflect --
STELTER: Is he trying to deflect -- gosh --
WARD: Is he a master of obfuscation?
CUOMO: Sometimes. He -- look, the biggest mistake anybody makes when it comes to Donald Trump, the man, is questioning his intelligence. He's a very smart man. He's a master of media manipulation.
ELLISON: He's a better media person than any of us.
CUOMO: There's no question about it. So, sometimes it is a distraction. Sometimes there are attack-tics where he knows this will work well.
But other times, what we just saw here with Mika Brzezinski is -- I don't know how much of it is female. Maybe that comes into how he comes back. But on a personal level, the office has not imbued this man with a sense of being better than. If you come at him, he's coming back at you, no matter who that hurts, no matter how it hurts, man or woman.
I mean, let's -- you know, both of us have felt the bite of the president of the United States. How he responds to women I think does reveal something. Fair point. Fair point.
But I'm saying it doesn't mean that men are immune. He just comes at you differently.
STELTER: It's the Roy Cohn playbook we're seeing in effect. I think what the press are doing right now is kind of encouraging basic decency, standing up for American values when we don't see that from politicians right now. It's really interesting.
CUOMO: When they say, but they came at him -- that's also fair criticism. Joe and Mika have made a commodity -- yes, it's an opinion show. This is a news show, there are different standards.
But they have pushed the envelope. They call him nasty things on a regular basis, but they're political commentators. He's the most powerful man in the world.
WARD: In the world.
STELTER: Here's the thing -- Joe and Mika have raised time and time again questions about the president's mental health, his stability, his fitness for office. You can understand if a President Trump, how furious he must feel about this.
ELLISON: That really is what set him off.
STELTER: But then causes a lot more questions about it. The column titled "Donald Trump is not well". They're trying to refocus the conversation right back on the president's emotional stability.
WARD: Do you think that's ineffective? Do you think that will be effective?
ELLISON: I mean, effective to do what? You know, get him to lash out again? In some ways, you want to ignore this behavior. I mean, I think what NBC said after he went after Mika was I never thought I would have to say this, but it's beneath my dignity to respond to the president of the United States.
I sort of feel the same way, that this is not something -- again, it's this response, Mika and Joe go on. They say something nasty. He says something else about them.
[06:45:00] It's good for ratings. This is not what the American people are that interested in.
WARD: Feels like we're trapped in a vicious cycle.
WARD: Brian, Sarah, thank you very much for helping us break it down.
CUOMO: Always opportunity in it, right? I mean, this was an opportunity for leaders to step up and show what they want their discourse to be about. What they choose to ignore, they empower.
WARD: Coming up, police in Florida investigating a fatal car crash they say was caused by tennis great Venus Williams. Details coming up in the "Bleacher Report".
CUOMO: All right. Tough story. Police in Florida say Venus Williams is responsible for a recent car accident in Florida which caused injuries to a 78-year-old man who later died.
Andy Scholes has more in this morning's "Bleacher Report."
What do we know?
ANDY SCHOLES, CNN SPORTS CORRESPONDENT: Chris, according to the Palm Beach Garden Police, the accident occurred on June 9th. And the victim, Jerome Barson, was a passenger in a car driven by his wife Linda Barson. Now, according to the police report, Linda Barson told police she was traveling west in the right lane and approaching an intersection slowing for a traffic light. The reports state that the light changed to green and Barson said she
drove through the intersection when Williams' 2010 Toyota Sequoia cut across in front of her.
[06:50:10] Linda Barson said she was unable to avoid crashing into Williams. Reports say Williams, who was just goings five miles per hour is at fault for violating the right-of-way of the Barsons.
Now, there's no mention in the report of Williams being cited. Williams attorney in a statement tells CNN this is an unfortunate accident and Venus expresses her deepest condolences to the family who lost a loved one -- Clarissa.
WARD: All right, Andy. A terrible story.
Well, up next, Senate Republicans having a tough time striking a deal on health care. Will they be able to get it done when they get back from their break? We will be asking.
WARD: President Trump's tweet attacking Mika Brzezinski providing a rare moment of bipartisanship in Washington. Members of both the Democratic and Republican Parties say it crossed a line.
Joining us to discuss this is Congresswoman Debbie Dingell, a Democrat from Washington.
Congresswoman, thank you so much for joining us.
Let me start out by asking for your reaction to this tweet heard around the world.
REP. DEBBIE DINGELL (D), MICHIGAN: You know, it was disrespectful, distasteful, discourteous, disappointing.
[06:55:06] It shouldn't have happened. We're trying to change the tone of civility in Washington, and he did not contribute an ounce to trying to change the tone.
WARD: We did hear some of your Republican colleagues coming out condemning the tweet. Was it forceful enough to your mind? Or do you think potentially the Republican leadership has missed an opportunity here to come out in a more broader bipartisan way and just condemn this kind of language, this kind of behavior.
DINGELL: Well, I think a lot of people attacked what he said yesterday morning. I'd like to see all of them start to contribute towards let's try to change the tone. We've seen things that have not been right in Washington. And, quite frankly, I think it's a total distraction and may be a deliberate total distraction about what we need to be talking about, which is a health care bill that could harm millions of Americans across the country.
And as we head home for the Fourth of July, what the people in my district -- quite frankly, I'm betting the people back home are not going to be talking about that tweet the way they're going to be talking about how frightened they are over what could happen if the Senate passes the health care bill.
WARD: And we're hearing, speaking of the bill, the Republicans are working on some modifications, particularly on the issue of this opioid addiction which is sort of ravaging this country. Do you have any reason to be encouraged? Do you anticipate major changes to the bill? What's your sense of where the Republican Party is moving towards on this?
DINGELL: Well, I'm certainly not part of any internal discussions. I know that Senator Mitch McConnell is capable of trying to pull off miracles. I think he's going to have a very hard time and I think a lot of his senators are going to be going home to people that are scared to death about legislation that will eliminate or remove protections that have been put in, protections for pre-existing conditions, removal of lifetime caps that people have had, a reduction of Medicaid that helps children -- I mean, Republican governors across the country are very concerned.
In my state the governor passed healthy Michigan. Fifty percent of the children in the state of Michigan receive their health care through Medicaid. We have 10,000 people turning 65 every day, and as they begin to hit the 80s, sometimes they need help and care. Eighty percent of long-term care is through Medicaid in this country.
I think people are very, very frightened about what they hear could happen. And then when you have people who have cancer or a child that's got M.S. or Downs, I have story after story, people are scared to death about what it's going to mean to them.
WARD: So, what should Democrats be doing? Or should Democrats be doing more?
You heard Mitch McConnell come out and say they're not interesting in working with us on this. They're not interested in helping us. They're not interested in fixing Obamacare.
What should Democrats be doing? Is it possible for there to be a more bipartisan approach to such an important issue for Americans?
DINGELL: So, I actually almost got a little heartened when I heard Senator McConnell say that because Republicans haven't been interested in working with us. They wanted repeal and replace.
Here is the reality. Is the Affordable Care Act perfect? No. I frequently say the last perfect bill was the Ten Commandments and in this day and age that wouldn't be considered perfect.
But there are things we need to work together on to improve. There is a very small group of people -- you know, sometimes we hear these numbers and we think that everybody is paying way too much for health insurance. There's a small group of people, more than 90 percent of the people are OK with where their health insurance now, paying too much and the deductibles are too high. We need to address that, we need to address the Cadillac tax. We need
to talk about the impact on small businesses. And everybody needs to be talking period. We need to take this to the next step.
People are paying too much for prescription drugs. We've got to do something to lower costs in this country and we've got to work together. We're in the going to solve this not working together.
WARD: All right. Congresswoman, you raise a lot of interesting points there. Thank you for joining us. And we wish you a very happy Fourth of July weekend.
Well, to our international viewers, we say good-bye. Thank you for watching. You'll be in the good hands of Max Foster with "CNN TALK" coming up next.
For our U.S. viewers, the president is facing a backlash over sexist tweets.
NEW DAY continues right now.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is madness. This is beneath the president of the United States.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He's very aware of how he's received. He has the hearts of Americans in mind.
REPORTER: Mr. President, do you regret your tweets this morning at all?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don't think it's a surprise to anybody that he fights fire with fire.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He is embarrassing. He is shameful. He is disgusting.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I would just hope that with the 30 million people who follow him on Twitter, there will be a better message.
SEN. MITCH MCCONNEL (R-KY), MAJORITY LEADER: Made good progress and we'll keep working.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Fifteen million Americans will lose their health insurance next year.