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Protesters Clash in Hamburg; Trump/Merkel Meeting; Protesters Protest G-20; Trump Talks about Russian Meddling. Aired 2-2:30p ET

Aired July 6, 2017 - 14:00   ET


[14:00:00] FREDERIK PLEITGEN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: You can see - I think this is about as far as we're going to be able to get. There's some stun grenades and smoke grenades going off, but that's - that's not to worry about.

So you can see right here we're at the first sort of police front line. The cops have taken up a position here and are now moving in with the water cannon trucks. You see back there, you can see those water cannon trucks firing. It seems as though they're coming with - from both directions with the water cannon trucks. I'd say there is three water cannon trucks up there. There's sort of - there's also sort of an armored vehicle as well to clear barricades.

But one of the things I think that the police was a little bit concerned about. As you can see, there were people that were above them up there. You can see there's folks up there as well. And I think there were perhaps some bottles that were thrown off that building up here. And at some point, you know, things just sort of kicked off. And you can see that they're still using that war cannon truck back there to sort of clear the area on the side because the police were securing the perimeter to the left of where we are right now, sort of trying to get people to move away from there.

Yes, and it looks as though this demonstration, by the way, John, this demonstration, it moved maybe 100 yards before it got stopped. So we'll wait and see if things calm down and if they get moving again. But, right now, it certainly doesn't look like it.

JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: No. And, Fred, can you give us a sense of how far this activity we're seeing, these - the pushing and shoving between the demonstrators and the police, the smoke, the water cannons. How far is it from the meetings themselves?

PLEITGEN: Yes. Well, it's actually pretty far. I would say it's about a mile and a half, maybe two miles from the actual center where the G- 20 is going to take place. And obviously where a lot of the meetings are going to take place. The sort of exclusion zone where no demonstrations are allowed.

Now, what this demonstration was supposed to do, it was supposed to move along this road and then basically make its round - make its way around the outer perimeter of what's called the (INAUDIBLE), which is where the G-20 is taking place. And, you know, it literally was able to move about 200 yards down the road towards here. It was then going to circle around town a little bit. So it really didn't get very far. But we're still a ways away from any - where any of these meetings are

taking place. It's where the demonstration had been taking place the entire day. So I would say it's at least two miles from where the actual meetings are taking place.

BERMAN: (INAUDIBLE) Brooke Baldwin, who is here and will take over as we watch this developing situation on the streets of Hamburg.

BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: All right, John Berman, thank you so much.

I want to welcome our viewers here. You're watching live pictures here. This is Hamburg, Germany. This is the epicenter of the G-20 Summit. This is also just to give you a little bit more context, timing-wise, 8:00 in the evening there. The all-important meeting between the German chancellor, Angela Merkel, and the president of the United States, Donald Trump, that has just wrapped as well. But we are all looking at these pictures together. We have correspondents throughout parts of Hamburg covering very aspect of this, the diplomacy, the protesting.

But let's begin with our White House correspondent, Jeff Zeleny, our senior White House correspondent, who is in Hamburg.

Jeff Zeleny, set the stage for us. Why - I mean looking at all the pictures, the water, the water cannons going off, what's going on?

JEFF ZELENY, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Well, Brooke, this is certainly a day of protest, the beginning of several days of protest here in Hamburg. And from our vantage point on a rooftop here, I can see in the distance and see a water cannon right now being sprayed across a group of protesters. There are a group of law enforcement officials, perhaps S.W.A.T. team officials with white helmets who have lined up to essentially block what would be a running path or sort of a promenade along the river there. And there was orange smoke coming from some of these protesters. This is usually the sign of tear gas or something like that. We hear intermittent shots. Do not believe they're gunshots or anything like that, but perhaps just a cannon of tear gas or something.

But, Brooke, I can tell you, from our vantage point here, there are a lot of people and a lot of police. And as Fred was just saying on the air, we are a couple miles or so from where a lot of these meetings are going on. So this is not something that the president can see. In fact, most world leaders never see those protests unless they see them on our air. But this is something that is pretty typical for a summit of world leaders like this, Brooke. But I can tell you, the visuals are pretty strong here. And the sun is still, you know, pretty hot at this moment. It will be out for a couple more hours here. So you can be sure the protests will still be going and perhaps into the evening as well, Brooke.

BALDWIN: Jeff Zeleny, stand by for me.

We also have Fred Pleitgen, one of our senior international correspondents. [14:05:00] And, Fred, you're in the thick of this, I know, and the pictures are really driving the story. Do we know - I mean we know protesters were anticipated, but these groups, what is it they're specifically protesting?

PLEITGEN: Yes. I mean a lot of these people are simply protesting against the G-20. Right now they're screaming for the police to go away. That's sort of the chant that we've been hearing throughout the day.

You know, a lot of them generally are anti-capitalist groups, Brooke. But some of them, quite frankly, are also protesting against the president, President Trump here at the summit as well.

I'm now actually here sort of on the first sort of front line that the cops have set up here. You can tell they've set up the first perimeter here and then the second. But I think what the police tried to do, is you see that building up there, I think that they might have been taking some bottles from that building up there and also perhaps from this open patch here. I think we saw some bottles flying down from there. They've cleared this area using those water cannon trucks. I'm not sure, but it looks like it might be calming down a little bit. And those bangs that we were hearing before, that Jeff was talking about, those were flash bangs. Those were them sort of setting off, you know, some sort of stun devices to try and get people to move away.

So it's kicking off for a little while. It seems to be calming down somewhat now. We'll wait and see. We'll monitor the situation. But certainly the march that was supposed to take place - this was a march against the G-20. A little bit of an anti-capitalist vibe to it, but generally against this meeting in general. And it was actually supposed to go for quite a long distance, several miles, around the actual venue, around the sort of outer perimeter of the venue. Not only managed to get, say, maybe 100 to 200 yards from where it started from the first place, which is a fish market, which is sort of a popular place here in Hamburg along the water.

And that's when the police stopped it. They say that there were some people who were wearing - you know, masking their faces, and they said that's something that's illegal. They said the march couldn't take place. And so they stopped them for a while and at some point things just sort of kicked off (ph). It was really one of those situations where there was a standoff, the demonstration was stopped for a while, and then things just got out of hand. We know a couple of bottles were thrown. There was some pushing and shoving and that's when the situation sort of got - the situation got out of hand but sort of escalated a little bit.

BALDWIN: OK, Fred, we'll take it back here in the studio in New York. I appreciate you. You know, your audio was in and out. I think what - part of what Fred was saying is that, listen, a lot of these protesters are there. They're obviously protesting the G-20. Some of them protesting President Trump himself.

Again, just timing-wise, as the sun is still high over Germany after 8:00 at night, this is after the president, our president, President Trump, has met with the German chancellor. He will be meeting with President Xi Jinping of China. And, of course, this also being the eve before the meeting, his first face-to-face with the president of Russia, Vladimir Putin.

Let's go to Atika Shubert. She's also standing by somewhere in the thick of these crowds as well in Hamburg, the site of the G-20..

Atika, tell me what you're seeing.


Yes, we just saw police disperse this area, actually. And police have now gone up and they've pushed further that way. What we saw essentially was that police warned protesters that they had to take off their masks and face coverings like this. You can see a lot of people are still keeping their faces covered. They don't want to be identified. This is often called a black block tactic and these are exactly the kinds of tactics police are trying not to get.

And so what they did is that they rushed in with water cannons, and they also rushed in with their riot shields. And that's when the crowd began pelting the police with bottles and fire crackers and the police tried to disperse them over a wider area. But as we can see from there, a number of those black block protesters with masks on their faces are still moving into the crowd. So, I think it's still a very volatile situation, Brooke.

BALDWIN: All right, Atika, we'll come back to you. We'll come back to Fred as well.

Again, just context-wise, this is just after that Chancellor Merkel/President Trump meeting has wrapped there in Germany. So let's go back to our senior White House correspondent, Jeff Zeleny, for that.

As far as, you know, the meat and the substance out of the meeting, do we have a readout? How did the meeting go?

JEFF ZELENY, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Now, Brooke, we don't yet have a readout exactly of how that meeting went. It ended a short time ago. And if you can hear a sound in the distance here, there are still -

BALDWIN: I can -

ZELENY: What look to be fireworks, actually, Brooke. It may sound a little more dramatic than that, but it's fireworks in the daytime here. They are green. They are white. I'm about, I would say, about 300 yards or so away from that. They're going off along the river there. It looks like they're being fired from the rooftop. Nothing particularly serious, I wouldn't say. There is a line of police officers with white helmets just in the distance beyond them and you can certainly see scores, you know, hundreds of protesters standing by and watching.

But beyond that, Brooke, I mean, these meetings that are going on with Chancellor Merkel and the president, you know, is quite a distance from here. And these protesters are not following these meetings bit by bit and they're not necessarily protesting any certain policies, but in many cases the overall idea of the G-20, the overall idea of the policies of these collective countries.

[14:10:08] As we were driving through the streets just a short time ago after we landed from Warsaw, Poland, you see a lot of banners, just anti-G-20 banners. The motto here is, "G-20, welcome to hell." So a lot of globalization protests, things like that.

But again, the leaders, as close as they will see these, Brooke, is on their television screens. This is not something that they are in the thick of at all here. The president has moved on to a meeting - a dinner meeting with some other world leaders, the prime minister of Japan and others here.

But again, as I look out in - into the distance, the fireworks. Another one just went off there. There's some ships along the water here. But, again, a very pleasant evening here in Hamburg. So I guess you could say a good night for a protest. Brooke, we'll see if it goes on into the evening here. Again, the sun should be out for just under two more hours here and we'll see how the evening goes here in Hamburg. Again, this - this summit is continuing and it will continue through Saturday.


BALDWIN: Incredible, Jeff, just this coming together of, you know, fireworks and celebration, juxtaposed with water cannons and flash bangs. The protests we've - that have been playing out. These high, you know, diplomatic meetings between world leaders all happening, all coalescing in this one key city in Germany.

Asha Rangappa, we have you with us, CNN national security analyst and former FBI.

I mean just staying on these pictures, Asha, what's your assessment of, you know, the protests, the police? Does this look under control to you?

ASHA RANGAPPA, CNN NATIONAL SECURITY ANALYST: I actually can't see the images, but it seems to me that that would be the kind of reaction that you would have at this kind of meeting. There are a lot of controversial issues, both in the United States, our participation in different international agreements, other controversies and issues happening in those countries as well that are - whose leaders are meeting. So, I think that that would be what I would expect to see in that setting.

BALDWIN: All right, Asha, sorry, I figured you were sitting in a studio with lots of monitor monitors around you.

Chris Cillizza, let me talk -


BALDWIN: No. My apologies. We're just rolling with her live on CNN.

Chris Cillizza, let me ask you now, CNN editor-at-large, you know, we've been talking all day here at CNN and you wrote the piece about, you know, what modern-day - what it means to be modern day presidential, right?


BALDWIN: I think it's important as we stay on these images to just think back to both the speech, the diplomatic speech that President Trump gave today, but also, you know, the press conference where he - you know, everything from talking about the missiles from North Korea and saying that he has some pretty severe things available to him, you know, and when talking maybe about military action to not saying, again, that it was definitely Russia who meddled and saying that President Obama choked. And that said, and you're looking at what's playing out, what do you think?

CILLIZZA: Well, honestly, Brooke, I would separate out what we're seeing here, which are striking images, from sort of Trump in both Poland and in Germany that we've seen today. I do think Donald Trump is defining what it means to be the president of the United States in a radically unorthodox way. That's been happening for the six months he's been mostly stateside, mostly in domestic politics here in America.

But happened this morning in Poland when he took some questions with the Polish president, the attacks on the media, the, I would say, the still unwillingness to commit to the idea that Russia definitively hacked the - hacked into the e-mails and meddled, e-mails of the DNC and Hillary Clinton's campaign, and meddled in this election, which the FBI and the CIA, the national intelligence, basically every intelligence agency has agreed on. That's something we've not seen before.

But that and this, you know, I'm always hesitant to talk about those things while we're showing these images because these things are not fundamentally, in my belief, related. These are protests that are obviously happening concurrent with Donald Trump being there, but also with the start of the G-20, as Jeff Zeleny noted. And we've seen this around the globe when these summits are convened. There are significant protests. Saying that this is - that this has to do with Donald Trump, I, you know, I - sure, some, but I'm not sure we can lay that at or near his feet.

What I would say is, I do think what Donald Trump did at - in Poland, not even in Germany today, but in Poland is something different than we've seen from any past president. The 43 other men who have been president of the United States, obviously Grover Cleveland was president twice, did not operate in that way, particularly in the modern-day presidency with TV cameras everywhere and photographers everywhere and reporters writing down your every word. His willingness to sort of give what could have been a response or a speech he gave at a campaign rally in a diplomatic setting is fundamentally different than what we have seen from anything in the past. And you can just - and I leave it up to folks to judge whether that's a good thing or a bad thing - but it is a thing. I think it is indisputable at this point that no president before him would do something like Donald Trump did this morning in Poland.

[14:15:39] BALDWIN: Sure. I want to come back to that point in just a second, but let - I want to ping-pong between some of the analysts we have here and our correspondents in the thick of these protests.

Fred Pleitgen, let me go back over to you. What's going on again?

PLEITGEN: Ye, we have a situation here, Brooke, right now where you can see those are actually police water cannon trucks that were just in use here. It seems as though they're sort of pulling back a little bit. If you look in the middle, they also have that armored vehicle that they sort of used to clear a barricade. So it seems as though the situation here - it seems like the cops are moving along. It seems to us, by the way, Brooke, that what the police seem to be trying to do is you had one very large demonstration that was going to march. And it seems as though they're trying to break that up into smaller groups to then sort of deal with smaller amounts of people than they had before.

But then, still, quite a tense situation here. There's a lot of screaming going on. There's obviously some of the use of that water cannon truck going on. There seems to be some people who might have some signs of some sort of tear gas maybe or something. Also seems to have people who seem to be injured as well. So certainly, you know, it's still quite a tense situation down here. The police, obviously, seem to be trying to get it under control. And some of the things that we've seen - you know, I was saying before that there were flash bangs that seem to have been in use, Brooke. I think a lot of those were actually fire crackers that might have been set off here by the crowd. I did see one land next to a bunch of cops that then sort of went off and created a pretty large bang. So there's still a big police force out here and I've now counted about ten of those water cannon trucks that they seem to be using a lot to try and disperse the crowds here, Brooke.

BALDWIN: But this was, just to be clear, Fred, I mean this - this was anticipated. I mean we see that the police presence there. They knew these protesters were coming.


BALDWIN: We've known about the G-20 for quite some time.

PLEITGEN: Yes, absolutely. I mean this is something that certainly was anticipated. And I would say even the situation that we're seeing now with, you know, some of the - some of the violence that we've been seeing here. I think even that was anticipated as well. It certainly, at this point in time, isn't as bad as some people had anticipated that it might get. Of course we do have to say that it is still very early in the day here. It's still, you know, light out. It's still quite warm out. There's still a lot of people out. You know, this demonstration is one that was supposed to be moving along at this point in time. We'll wait and see whether it forms again to try and march along the route on the outside perimeter of the place where the G-20 meetings are going to take place and where some of the bilateral meetings are taking place as well.

But, yes, it was anticipated that there was going to be a crowd of protesters, many of them anti-capitalists, many of them just anti-G-20 who don't like the whole concept of what's going on, and that they would be coming from all over Europe and, in fact, from all over the world. I mean there were groups that we've seen here from Mexico. There were a lot of people from the U.S. that we've seen here as well.

We've got some of the chanting going on as well here again against the police. That's actually because there's a group of police officers that is walking over here. So they always get some chants their way as they move through here. Those are German federal police officers with their very distinctive black helmets that they wear. But, yes, you're right, I mean this is something that certainly was anticipated and, you know, by any measure it's not something that's totally out of control. You know, they're trying to come to terms with it. There's sort of some violence that breaks out. But it certainly isn't as bad as we've seen at some other G-20s in the past. But, again, we do have to keep in mind that it is still very early going on. And I have to say, now this protest that was supposed to march for several miles, it really didn't get very far until the police stopped it.

BALDWIN: Yes, the pictures are stunning. Now we see it - it appears something to be on fire, set on fire by some protesters. The water cannons, the tear gas. We're going to stay on the pictures, Fred. We'll come back to you periodically. Thank you so much.

I just want to go back and forth between the protests and also just the substance of what - the significance of the G-20, the significance of this, you know, Merkel/Trump meeting that wrapped a little while ago. And also, David Sanger, let me go to you, our CNN political analyst who's travelled the world and covered world leaders.

You know, back to the president of the United States and back to that press conference he gave and some of the questions he answered, you know, on the notion of Russia influencing the U.S. election. I mean you and I know that is fact and we don't know that just because of former FBI director, you know, Jim Comey testifying that there is no doubt. But, you know, President Trump's own intel chiefs agree. So the fact that the president is still saying that it could have been other countries, how, David, how significant is that on the eve of his first sit-down with Putin? How he's not holding the Russians fully accountable.

[14:20:10] DAVID E. SANGER, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, yes, the way I read it, Brooke, was that the president was trying, by watering down the accountability here, trying something that he has tried before, and it makes it a little bit easier for him, I think in his mind, to not press the issue in a big way with President Putin when he meets him here tomorrow afternoon. And the reason it does that is that he can basically say, well, you were in the election, but so were others.

Now, I've been covering this pretty intently for a bit more than a year. I haven't had a single intelligence official tell me at any point that they found any evidence of involvement of anybody other than either Russian government actors or Russian patriotic actors. That doesn't mean there weren't other cyber events, which the Chinese, the North Koreans, the Iranians have been involved in. The Sony hack was North Korea. The theft of data from the Office of Personnel Management was, of course, the Chinese. But I don't think that's what the president meant. I think what he was trying to do was say that there were many responsible for the attacks on the DNC, the Podesta e- mails and all that.

One other point just to take you back, Brooke, to your - to the protests. I was at Seattle in 1999, the big WTO protest, many anti-G- 20 protests during President Bush and President Obama's time. And while this sounds pretty dramatic, by size it doesn't really measure up to many of those. And you have to remember, these are largely anti- globalization protests.


SANGER: And you now actually have an anti-globalization president.

BALDWIN: No, I think that's a great point and I think context is key here. And, obviously, this was all anticipated, as dramatic, though, as, David, these pictures are.

Mackenzie Eagden, let me ask you the question about this Trump/Merkel meeting that we know that has also wrapped. And in the midst of all of this, that's just wrapped there in Germany. We're learning a little bit more, Mackenzie. Apparently they met for a good hour. This is according to a German spokesperson. And topics of the meeting included North Korea, Ukraine, and the Middle East. What do you read from that?

MACKENZIE EAGDEN, NATIONAL SECURITY ANALYST, AMERICAN ENTERPRISE INSTITUTE (via telephone): I think those are the global hot spots. I assume the Middle East was dominated by Syria in particular right now, possibly even Iran. I mean these are the challenges confronting these chiefs of state no matter where you live because, just like the economy is increasingly globalized, so is a metastasized threat, particularly from terror groups. It's not just Islamic state, but the reach of many of them. They spread the globe.

So it's the right thing, the right topics for them to focus on because really without security there's no prosperity, and that's what these protests are about. David hit on the point, and Chris did as well, but really we live in a generally high-debt, low economic growth global economy, and everybody's upset with that. But if you have security problems on top of that, you're going to make both challenges even harder to tackle.

BALDWIN: Mackenzie, stay with me.

Let's go back to these protests and to - back to Atika Shubert.

Atika, tell me where you are and what you're seeing.

SHUBERT: Well, Brooke, we're where they just dispersed the crowds. They've kind of thinned the crowds out around here. There was about 12,000 people jammed into here. They went in with water cannons -- as you can see, the water cannons there - and some of these big riot shields and they were able to push people out and around. So now what you've got is small groups kind of scattered around this area.

But, still, a little bit of tension. We still see bottles being thrown at police. But the water cannons have turned around and moving back that way. You can probably hear the crowd here is not happy. Very angry. We've seen a lot of anger coming not just from protesters but residents here as well at the way this is being handled. Police are taking a very tough line with protesters. They hadn't even moved a few meters before police moved in.

And it sounds like they're giving another warning to people now. They - it sounds like they want people to move out of the way of the crossings here. So we're going to move back a little bit just so that we can get out of the way a little bit. But as you can see, this is beyond going for a few hours.

BALDWIN: Did we lose her? We lost her. We lost her. We'll come back to Atika and her crew there.

Fred Pleitgen, let's just pivot back over to you, also nearby a lot of these protesters. What - can you tell - I mean I know, you know, you speak German. What are these police shouting at the crowds?

PLEITGEN: Yes, the police, they're basically using the intercom systems, which I think are probably actually on the water cannon trucks that you see right here. Remember, Atika was saying that some of the water cannon trucks had turned around.


[14:25:07] PLEITGEN: Well, they're actually now coming to us right here. And what they said is they said, look, this is the police speaking and we need people to move out of this area, otherwise the police is going to kick into action or police action will start I think is - were the exact words that they were saying. So that's basically they're - every time they make a move, the police, they make an announcement beforehand. And that's sort of what they're announcing right now. They're saying that anybody who's in this area right now is going to be subject to some sort of police action. And, you know, wait and see whether or not something like that kicks off. Usually it takes a while and they'll sort of let people stay here for a while, but, you know, Atika's absolutely right, I mean it still is quite a charged atmosphere here still. There's a lot of screaming, a lot of yelling going on at the police. At the same time, police also pushing a lot of people away.

We can show you up here, remember that highway or that overpass bridge that I was talking about, the cops are in the process right now of clearing that. I told you they were - they said that they'd taken a couple of bottles thrown at them from that because the demo was actually going under here on this sort of main road that you see right here and now they're sort of clearing that bridge, getting people out of the way.

And we're going to wait and see whether or not this demo actually gets back underway, whether they're going to (INAUDIBLE) people to march or not. But at this point in time, obviously, everything's stopped. We've seen the cops disperse (INAUDIBLE). See some people screaming here now. They're screaming, anti-capitalista, so against capitalism. Still quite a charged atmosphere at this point in time. You know, it's - I wouldn't say it's calming down, but it looks like it's sort of morphed into a bit of a standoff here. Again, very early on in this demonstration route.

And you can still see police officers sort of moving a lot of their troops that they have on the ground here around into position to try and sort of clear the area to make sure that the cops are actually safe as well because we have heard that some cops apparently got injured in the sort of initial skirmishes that took place, Brooke.

BALDWIN: Yes. No, it's interesting to watch the ebb and the flow of some of these protests, Fred. We're going to keep you close to the camera. We'll come back to you momentarily. Thank you so, so much.

On - we also have Atika Shubert. She was standing by.

Atika, you got cut off a moment ago. What are we looking at?

SHUBERT: Brooke, what I can show you here is that police are basically trying to remove these protesters. They're also detaining people. You can see quite a few scuffles here. It might get a little bit rough. But essentially police are trying to clear this crossing. They've brought in the water cannons. There are water cannon, they are now getting ready to disperse. I can see protesters being removed from the crossing forcibly.

But basically we've got a lot of tensions here. Protesters refusing to leave. Police trying to move them on. We've got the mediators in the middle trying to keep the peace between the two, but you can see a lot of shoving between the police. There's an older lady in the middle here just trying to keep the peace. But that's a pretty tough call right now. They are moving us (INAUDIBLE). We're going to move back a bit. You can see the riot police here have their long shields out.

BALDWIN: Atika, can you hear me? Atika, what are they chanting?

SHUBERT: There's an anti-capitalist - it's anti-capitalist protest, basically. They're saying anti-capitalist, anti-capitalist. A lot of yelling at the police for what they see as excessive force.

Now we've moved. So far they've managed to move people back a bit so the tension has gone down slightly, but there's still a number of protesters sitting in the crosswalk. So it's going to take them a while to move them out. I think that's why they brought the water cannon as sort of last resort to push them out.

BALDWIN: Atika, help me, if I can, just jump in. Help us understand, for people who don't know Hamburg and the area, how far are these protesters actually from the summit itself, from these high-level meetings?

SHUBERT: This is about three kilometers from the Mesa (ph), which is the conference center where the G-20 Summit is happening. So it's not that close. But it is close enough to do a march to. And that's what they were planning to do.

This part of town is known for its leftist protest activity. So when the G-20 Summit was put here, people said - residents here said, it's going to get crazy. This is exactly what's going to happen. And that seems to be what's turning out.

We're going to turn the camera up a bit so you can take a look and see what police are doing. But these are the kinds of running cat and mouse battles that local residents said were likely to happen if the G-20 Summit was put here. It's exactly what's going on.

This is just the beginning. About 12,000 people came out today. They're expecting more than 100,000 over the next two days. So I think this is essentially a warm-up for what we're going to be seeing over the next three days.

[14:30:05] BALDWIN: Wow. Wow. To hear - to hear that this is a warm- up, to know that night has yet to fall there, and that they are anticipating some 100,000 protesters. Atika --