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PRIMETIME JUSTICE WITH ASHLEIGH BANFIELD

Teens Laugh and Taunt Drowning Man on Video; Human Trafficking Tragedy in Texas; Shocking Sentence in Murder for Hire Plot; CNN Heroes. Aired 8-9p ET

Aired July 24, 2017 - 20:00   ET

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[20:00:00] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A group of Florida teens taunt a drowning man while filming his final moments.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re not going to help your (EXPLETIVE DELETED) out!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You shouldn`t have gone in!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And his head barely visible, got into deeper and deeper water.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How could someone be so cruel and senseless?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Cold-hearted.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) should have never got in there!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He clearly screamed out for help not once, not twice but three times.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Holy (EXPLETIVE DELETED)!

(LAUGHTER)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In the 100-degree Texas heat.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: These people were in that trailer without any signs of type of water (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Multiple people dead in the back of a sweltering hot semi truck.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And many more kind of holding on for life.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The heat stroke, the dehydration.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This kind of mass victimization is relatively rare.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) Dead body in the house. All right (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The girl tried killing me probably three or four times.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Dalia Dippolito infamously hired a hit man to kill her newlywed husband, and she was caught in a sting giving the green light.

DALIA DIPPOLITO, HIRED A HITMAN TO KILL HUSBAND: I`m positive, like, 5,000 percent sure.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Handed me an iced tea with antifreeze in it, and smiled at me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When police pretended the job was done and her husband was dead, Dippolito put on an unforgettable performance.

DIPPOLITO: No! No! No! No!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It just blows me away.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Now she`s about to spend a long time behind bars.

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JOEY JACKSON, GUEST HOST: A pleasant good evening, everyone. I`m Joey Jackson in for my friend Ashleigh Banfield, and this is PRIMETIME JUSTICE.

You know, if you see someone in trouble, you would hope that your first instinct would be to lend a helping hand, not just to stand back and watch

or make fun even of the person who`s in trouble. But in Florida, outrage is growing over a group of teenagers who taunted and recorded video of a

drowning man. And now those teens could soon face criminal charges for their inaction.

This happened in Cocoa, which is just east of Orlando, where police say that the five teens saw the man yelling, Help, help, in a pond. But

instead of trying to help or simply calling 911, they recorded the man`s struggles on their cell phone.

I want to warn you the video may be disturbing for some viewers. Take a look.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get out of the water! You going down!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) that gator coming towards you, man!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re not going to help your (EXPLETIVE DELETED).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You shouldn`t have got in!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let him drown. What the heck.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

JACKSON: Now, moments later, that man went under and he never came back up. Police say his name was Jamal Dunn. He was only 31 years old. And

although investigators initially said they wouldn`t charge the group of teenagers involved, they`ve now changed their minds.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MICHAEL CANTALOUPE, COCOA POLICE CHIEF: We`re looking at some other statutes, and one of our detectives said, Hey, you know, what about this

statute? And there`s a statute. It`s actually 406.12. And after a lengthy conversation with state attorney`s office, we`ve made a

determination at this time we are going to charge the juveniles with the statute under 406, which is a misdemeanor.

Now, I want to make it clear, it is a misdemeanor. It`s not a misdemeanor exception. So we will not be making a physical arrest at this time.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

JACKSON: Ray Caputo is a reporter with News 96.5. That`s WDBO. He joins us now from Orlando. So ray, take us through it. Why the change in heart?

When did this happen? When did he go missing? When was his body discovered? Give us a sense of what happened.

RAY CAPUTO, NEWS 96.5 WDBO (via telephone): Yes, Joey, this happened July 14th. You know, Jamal Dunn got dropped off near this pond. Now, Jamal

Dunn walks with a limp. He uses a cane. And it was a couple blocks to where his body was found. We don`t know exactly why he made his way over

to that pond. We don`t know if he was going to commit suicide. We`re hearing reports that there were some problems earlier in the day with his

mom, maybe his fiancee.

But Jamal Dunn made it over to that pond. And if you look at the video, Joey, he`s not on the edge of the pond. He`s in there pretty good.

Now, there isn`t a current to take him out, so it makes you wonder how he actually got there. These teens are around the pond and when we see that

video of them filming it and mocking Jamal Dunn.

And you know, there`s a lot of unanswered questions right now. There`s a GoFundMe page set up by a woman that says it`s Jamal Dunn`s sister. And in

that GoFundMe page, she even says, you know, they don`t know if he tried to kill himself because of some issues or he was -- just simply fell in or

maybe foul play. But there are some unanswered questions here, and we might possibly never have the answers to those.

[20:05:06]JACKSON: No question. Now, it would seem to me, Ray, that he wasn`t attempting to kill himself if he`s yelling help from the pond. But

be that as it may, how did the police back into it to otherwise get ahold of these teens for which they`re now considering charging them criminally?

CAPUTO: Right. And that`s the haunting part of this all. They were -- a missing person report was filed the next day by Dunn`s fiancee, so they

didn`t know where he was. Now, meanwhile, the teens who saw all this, end up posting that video to social media, and it was a family member that had

found that video and then passed it along to police. So they ended up finding Dunn`s body after.

But this video was floating around, and these teens made no attempt to call law enforcement at any time to tell them what they saw. As I`m sure some

folks are going to talk about soon, that`s where the trouble lies in terms of the charges that they may be facing.

JACKSON: There`s no question about it. Ray Caputo, we appreciate you, reporter there. Thank you so much.

Now, joining me now is Chief Mike Cantaloupe. He`s with the Cocoa police department. So Chief, let me ask you straight off the bat. I mean, now

there`s consideration of criminal charges. Have you been in touch with the state attorney`s office? What`s the likelihood that that may happen,

Chief?

CANTALOUPE (via telephone): We did speak with the state attorney`s office. That was one of the reasons after -- like I said, one of our detectives had

found the statute and we looked at it. We talked to him. We went around several times. We talked about it several times.

And then after looking at it, you know, the part where it says it`s the duty of any person to report the death, we said that we would go ahead and

do the paperwork and send to it the state attorney`s office. Ultimately, they`ll have the final say on whether or not the charges are filed.

JACKSON: Sure, Chief. And I`ll get into it with my lawyers momentarily about whether they will stick or not. But could you take us through the

investigation in terms of speaking with the teens, whether they expressed any remorse, whether anyone attempted to stop it of the bunch and say, Hey,

we should really get this guy? What do we know about that?

CANTALOUPE: No. From -- again, from our detectives and what they`ve told me that for the majority of the teens that were involved, that, no, they

did not show any real remorse, you know, and as far as that went.

JACKSON: And just with regard to -- just give us a sense of this. How long have you been a chief, Chief? And how does this compare to what

you`ve ever seen, heard about, whether it`s teens, adults, but just not rendering aid. And I`m clear about what the law is. You have no duty.

But just put this in perspective for us in terms of how you and your men are feeling about what occurred.

CANTALOUPE: You know, I`ve been a chief now for about three-and-a-half years. I`ve been with the Cocoa Police Department for a total of almost 27

years now. And I can say that this is probably one of the worst incidents, you know, this kind, as far as the social media and everything that`s

surrounded it that I`ve seen probably in my 27 years.

JACKSON: Chief, we are grateful for you. I know you`ll continue your investigation.

I want to go now to Mayor Henry Parrish. He joins us also from Cocoa, Florida. Mayor, I`m sure you have the tenor (ph) of the community. I`m

sure the community is quite outraged. Take us through that, if you can.

MAYOR HENRY PARRISH, CITY OF COCOA, FLORIDA: I will, Joey. Thank you very much. At every level, this has been a shock and a disappointment. The

chief and I actually walked around the lake two days after the incident, and it was the next day the video surfaced on Facebook, and it`s been a

shock. Social media is ablaze. It`s about 50-50 as far as legislation. You know, at every level, the teens had a moral obligation to do the right

thing. And let me add to this, Joey.

JACKSON: Please.

: Florida is one of 10 states -- go ahead (INAUDIBLE)

JACKSON: No, I`m just listening to you. And it strikes me that you`re pretty shaken up about this, right? It appears to me. I know you do a lot

of public interviews. You`re a mayor, you know, of a fine place there and you speak the a lot of people. It seems to me as I`m speaking to you that

you`re having a little bit of trouble processing that.

PARRISH: Yes, that`s true. My family`s a pioneer family in Florida, 194 years (INAUDIBLE) right now. We are rooted here very deeply. And it`s

very disturbing that this happens. It`s almost like a Hollywood event. You`re watching a Hollywood movie. And you know (INAUDIBLE) the movie and

it didn`t happen. It`s not real. But this is real. It`s very shocking.

JACKSON: Mayor, if I could just ask you -- and I want to play -- I`m going to play some sound of what occurred here momentarily. If I could just ask

you, I`m sure legislative efforts are under way to maybe change the law. What`s the status of that? Can you tell us?

PARRISH: I`ve talked to legislators. I have two family members that are in the Florida house. I have -- I`ve talked to a lot of folks. And we`d

like to just see the duty to rescue law (INAUDIBLE) Florida has it. It`s - - it only applies in Florida to sexual battery.

[20:10:14]I`d like to see an addendum to that, an amendment to that, and maybe at least call 911. At least call the safety (ph) boat (ph) are (ph)

coming and save a person. It`s unfathomable what`s happened.

JACKSON: It really is. And speaking about unfathomable, let`s take a look and let the viewers see exactly what occurred on that day.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) in the water!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. He just got in!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He started swimming.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (EXPLETIVE DELETED). Get out the water! You going down!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Look at that gator coming towards you, man!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re not going to help your (EXPLETIVE DELETED). You shouldn`t have got in!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let him drown. What the heck?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ain`t nobody going to help you, you dumb (EXPLETIVE DELETED). You shouldn`t have got in there.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, buddy (EXPLETIVE DELETED)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Buddy out there.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: 85.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What made him -- buddy got in with all his clothes on. He keep putting his head under. Wow!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) (EXPLETIVE DELETED).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Am I seeing (EXPLETIVE DELETED)? What the...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Something killing him. Like he`s -- see right here? He`s still...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`s alive yet.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You see a dead person?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, you ain`t going to see no dead person. You all don`t understand.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You should have never got in there!

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He is down.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, he`s (EXPLETIVE DELETED).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hey...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You all laughing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I just saying, man, he`s dead!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, shoot!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh (EXPLETIVE DELETED).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Come on, buddy.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, but you understand (EXPLETIVE DELETED).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What the hell?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`s been under there for a while now. (EXPLETIVE DELETED)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He ain`t coming back up.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yo (INAUDIBLE) (EXPLETIVE DELETED).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why not? You see what I`m talking about?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Damn.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Where he at?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Buddy`s not coming back up.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So we got to call (INAUDIBLE) try to come find his body.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hell, no, you call it through!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That is not...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Dang!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Damn (INAUDIBLE) thinking about that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Damn, damn!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We just saw a buddy die. (INAUDIBLE) try to help (INAUDIBLE)

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, go help him.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This man ain`t getting back up.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, he dead. He gone.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Seems like he`s dead, but (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If you ever going to hit the blunt?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hold on.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, what, the buddy not coming back up for real.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) swimming over here.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

JACKSON: So disturbing to watch. I should make note that in the video, you see the head above water. It`s our policy not to show you the body

submerged in water. It was frozen at that point. But he was underwater as those teens thought it was somewhat funny.

Joining me now, two fabulous lawyers, both from Los Angeles, Areva Martin, and of course, Bryan Claypool. Areva Martin, though in Los Angeles, is

right here in studio in New York.

So Areva, we talk about this. We look at a tape like this. What needs to happen? Do the teens need to be prosecuted? What`s next?

AREVA MARTIN, CNN/HLN LEGAL ANALYST: Absolutely, these teens need to be prosecuted. The statute in Florida doesn`t require you to render aid, but

it does require you to report a death. And listening to that audiotape, we heard at least seven, eight, maybe even ten times that these teens

acknowledged that this man was dead. They were very clear. They knew that he was dead, and yet they failed to act. And that`s a violation of the

statute, and they should be prosecuted.

JACKSON: So Brian Claypool, let me ask you, outstanding lawyer in your own right, friend of mine. Is Areva right? I mean, the reality is there is

this statute. There would be, it seems to me there`s a duty to report, although it certainly wasn`t intended for teens like this. I think it was

intended for medical examiners. What say you, Brian?

BRIAN CLAYPOOL, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Yes, briefly, Joey, let`s talk about the law, then let`s talk about reality. I don`t think the law is geared for

this type of situation for two reasons. Number one, it mentions, for example, that the observers of somebody potentially dying or dying in this

case have to reveal medical issues related to the deceased. That signals to me that they know the victim. Here they didn`t know the victim.

And then the second part of that statute deals with, that the people that observe it can`t touch or alter the body. That tells me that the law is

designed for something like a car accident, where you`re next to the victim and they`re dying or they`re dead, and you can`t touch the body. So I

don`t think the law applies, Joey.

[20:15:02]But real quick, the bigger issue here -- I almost drowned when I was a teenager in an ocean in North Carolina. I had an innocent man come

in and save my life and my little sister`s life. So I think the bigger issue here is not only do we need a new law that requires somebody

observing somebody else dying to at least call for help.

But how about this, Joey? Have the parents also culpable if somebody under 18 fails to do this, then they should be held culpable, as well, because

the real root of the problem here is lack of education that`s developing within our homes of teenagers. These kids were emotionally and morally

bankrupt. That starts with the parents at home.

JACKSON: Well, we`re certainly going to see legislative action, I do believe in this case, because I think we all know and could understand that

this is not the way teens or anyone should behave.

You know, we have Jamal Dunn`s sister. She certainly is outraged at the way her brother died. And she wants to help change the law that we`re

talking about to make it easier to prosecute bystanders who don`t render aid to someone like this who`s in distress. Her name is Simone McIntosh.

She joins us live. That`s next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

[20:20:16]CANTALOUPE: It`s just disturbing. It`s -- it`s -- it`s hard to believe that somebody could watch another human being, whether it be in

distress, whether it be, you know, what happened, and not do something or at least not notify somebody or try to get help. I mean, I think that`s --

I mean, I want to think that`s a natural instinct for any of us that if we saw somebody in trouble or somebody having an issue, that we would at least

try to get them help.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

JACKSON: And that is Cocoa, Florida, police chief Michael Cantaloupe. And he`s talking about the group of teens who could soon be charged after a

video surfaced appearing to show them taunting and watching 31-year-old Jamal Dunn drown in a pond without stepping in to help. We should point

out he also had a disability.

Now, Simone McIntosh is Jamal Dunn`s sister. She joins us from Orlando. Thank you so much for being here. So very sorry for your loss, of course.

Just talk to us first about him and about who he was.

SIMONE MCINTOSH, SISTER OF DROWNING VICTIM: My brother was a very loving person. He was very family-oriented. You know, he did football and

basketball growing up. We always spent a lot of family time. He loved to draw and play the PS-4. Lebron James was his favorite player. And he was

an overall loving person and human being. He would give his last -- he would give the shirt off his back to someone.

JACKSON: Now, Simone, can you give us any sense of how he ended up in this pond? There are reports -- and I don`t know how accurate they are, was

there an argument at home, you know, that he was in distress when he got in there. Can you help clarify, if you can, any of that information?

MCINTOSH: It`s unanswered to why he went into the lake or pond, but from the video footage that we did receive from the detectives, we did see him -

- it looked like he might have slipped and fell into the pond, and then the video just cuts off. He was still by the edge, but then that was the end

of the video.

And then we have that other video that the teens leaked which just shows him far out, which we don`t know how he got that far out.

JACKSON: And Simone, just regarding the behavior of the teens who were involved here and taunting, can you just react to that? If you had to say

something to them, to their parents, what would your message be?

MCINTOSH: It was very cruel. Like, how could you sit there and watch someone die and mimic their words when they`re screaming and crying out for

help and you not help? Even if you didn`t physically go in to help him, at least call 911. Make one phone call. Like, where are the morals and

values these days? How are the parents raising their children? Like, just common sense. One should know right from wrong. And the right thing would

have been to get help, render him aid.

JACKSON: You know, I think that`s so well stated, Simone, and it touches us all. And you described your brother and who he is and what his life

meant. Now, moving forward, what would you like to see happen with the law so that your brother doesn`t and didn`t really die in vain?

MCINTOSH: I would like for a new law to taking place to one who sees someone in distress, they should be obligated to call for help. Even if

they can`t, you know, physically help them, just make one phone call to someone who can help them. Call 911 if you see someone in distress or in

need of help.

JACKSON: And Simone, have you -- and I know it`s early. Have you taken any steps in that regard? Have you spoken to the mayor or the police chief

or any of the local officials there to get something like that in the works and enacted?

MCINTOSH: Well, right now, we have a petition started. We have over 3,000 signatures. And we do have a petition started called Dunn`s Right Duty to

Act. And we`re trying to get that petition going around. And we`re going to move forward starting at that point and move forward from there and get

different organizations and as much support as we can to get this law enacted.

JACKSON: I think that would be a wonderful thing to do. Can you tell me - - Change.org, is that the petition that you`re referring to, Simone?

MCINTOSH: Yes. Yes, sir.

JACKSON: And tell us about that. How could other people, using this show as a vehicle -- and we see it right there -- how can other people help you

to make common sense choices like dialing 911, getting involved, signing your petition, contacting their local officials? How can they help,

Simone?

[20:25:00]MCINTOSH: Well, they can help by definitely clicking on that link and signing that petition, and you know, help us get as many

signatures as possible to help us move forward with this process.

JACKSON: Well, we certainly hope that that happens. Again, God bless you. God bless your family. Thank you for having the strength, the courage and

the wisdom just to be with us and to share those thoughts. And I certainly hope, Simone, that your brother hasn`t died in vain, that he has a legacy

and that you change this law and make it something that`s common sense. Thank you so much.

MCINTOSH: Thank you.

JACKSON: Appreciate you.

You know, there are more questions than answers in the investigation into a deadly transport of undocumented immigrants. Now, 10 people are dead,

dozens others are severely injured after being locked up in an un-air- conditioned tractor trailer in 100-degree heat. Straight ahead, we`ll take a closer look at the horrific reality of human trafficking in America.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[20:30:00] JACKSON: A truly horrific story continues to develop tonight along the U.S.-Mexico border, and it involves a large group of undocumented

immigrants. It also centers on what police say was found in the back of a tractor trailer in a Walmart parking lot in San Antonio.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

WILLIAM MCMANUS, CHIEF, SAN ANTONIO POLICE: We got a call from a Walmart employee that they conducted a welfare check in the tractor trailer that

was parked in the lot here. He was approached by someone from that truck who was asking for water. Came back with the water, called the police.

We arrived on the scene and found eight people dead in the back of that trailer. Checking the video from the store, we found that there were a

number of vehicles that came in and picked up a lot of folks in that trailer that survived the trip. We`re looking at human trafficking crime,

appears to be some juveniles, some adults in their 20s and 30s.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

JACKSON: You heard it said that 10 were -- excuse me, eight were dead. Now two more people, making it 10, have died since being rescued. And more than

a dozen others remain in the hospital. And tonight the driver of that truck is facing serious charges. CNN national correspondent Ed Lavandera joins us

from San Antonio. Ed, take us through it. I understand there was a court appearance today. Can you just tell us what happened in court and what`s

next for the accused?

ED LAVANDERA, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Right, the driver of that truck is 60-year-old James Bradley from Clearwater, Florida. He made a brief

initial appearance here. He was told about the criminal charge of illegally transporting illegal aliens. That is a charge that could bring him the

death penalty if convicted because there are 10 victims who have died in this case.

There are still about nearly 20 others that are in critical condition. That death toll could continue to go up. But really the most of the information

that we got today was in a criminal complaint filed by prosecutors here today that really laid out some new details in how all of this unfolded.

This was, in that document, James Bradley apparently told investigators that he claimed not to know that there was anybody in the back of the

trailer when he pulled into that Walmart parking lot early Sunday morning.

And then when he opened up the doors is when he discovered a pile of people jumping out trying to get fresh air and to that water. Bradley claimed to

have been driving this tractor trailer from Iowa to Brownsville, Texas. Why you would go through Laredo doesn`t quite make a whole lot of sense

opinion. If you look at the map, you don`t need to go through Laredo to get to Brownsville.

But in that document as well, we really heard some chilling accounts for what it was like for the more than hundred people that appear to have been

in that tractor trailer at some point where some people described a hole that was made in the side of the trailer.

People were taking turns trying to breathe through that hole to get fresh air. People gasping for air, passing out, slamming and knocking on the

walls trying to get the driver`s attention, pleading for help. Very harrowing account, Joey.

JACKSON: Now, Ed, that just sounds just unbelievable and inhumane. If I can ask you, I`m struck by the fact that you said about a hundred people. How

many of those if we know have the authorities actually spoken to or did many sort of just run out and disappear?

LAVANDERA: Well, in that criminal complaint, a couple of different undocumented immigrants were quoted and talked about in that. The numbers

are still a little bit -- at one point one of those immigrants who was in that truck said there might have been 200 people inside that truck at some

point.

JACKSON: Oh, wow.

LAVANDERA: And that criminal complaint also paints a crazy scene there at the end that when the doors opened that there were six black SUVs in the

parking lot that a number of people -- we don`t know the exact number, jumped into those cars and then fled from the scene.

So, there were about 38, 39 people that authorities were able to find either inside the truck or in the area around the parking lot there. Those

are the ones that are accounted for. And many of those are still receiving medical treatment at area hospitals here in San Antonio.

JACKSON: And Ed, just briefly, if you know, do we know the length of time that they were in that truck? You mentioned the route that was taken. But

the length of time, any indication?

LAVANDERA: Well, that`s what we`re trying to piece together. We do know that the truck came from Laredo, Texas, which is about a 2 to 2-1/2 hour

drive. So at the very least, those people were in that truck for a little more than two hours.

I suspect it`s going to be longer than that depending on what investigators are going to find out, but remember, just before sunset, it was 100 degrees

here in South Texas and at night, temperatures really don`t get below 85 degrees. So, it was scorching inside that trailer.

JACKSON: Ed Lavandera, we appreciate you. We know you`ll continue to keep us

[20:35:00] posted on what occurs here. Thank you, Ed. I want to bring in Dr. Michelle DuPre. She`s a forensic pathologist and medical examiner. She

joins us from Columbia, South Carolina. Doctor, nice to have you with us.

Can you give us a sense of what the people in the back of this truck may have been going through with these 100-degree temperatures, no air

conditioning back there, they`re banging and poking holes. Talk to us about that.

MICHELLE DUPRE, FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST AND MEDICAL EXAMINER: This is horrendous. We know that temperatures inside of a closed vehicle like that

can raise as much as 20 or 30 degrees in only 30 minutes. If it`s 80 degrees outside, and this was much hotter than that, they would suffer

things like dehydration. They may faint. They would have headaches.

They actually wouldn`t be sweating very much because they would be going into heatstroke, which is lethal. Temperatures above about 104 degrees can

be lethal. And you actually begin to get brain injury at about 113 degrees. And this was much more than that.

JACKSON: Now, Dr. DuPre, are you surprised based upon what you`re saying to us that there are only 10 dead considering reports have as much as 200

people who could have potentially been in the back of the truck?

DUPRE: Joey, I actually am. I think it`s a miracle that many people would have actually survived.

JACKSON: And why those 10? Is there something about where you are in the back of a trailer that would make you more susceptible to death than in

another place? I mean, a number of people apparently lived and they may have the brain injuries that you`re referring to, but how is it that some

people are dead and others or it is just that where internally some are more susceptible and some are not?

DUPRE: It`s actually a lot of factors. Age has something to do with it. Their regular general health has something to do with it. Their

preconditions, how were they before they actually got into the trailer. Their position in the trailer. All of that has factors on whether or not

their survivability is going to be high.

JACKSON: And finally, doctor, what`s the probability for successfully living a healthy life having gone through this by others who are now being

treated?

DUPRE: Well, and again, Joey, that will depend on the extent of actual damage if there was any brain damage. But if treated, then they can

certainly recover and live a normal life. But they do need immediate medical attention. This is a medical emergency.

JACKSON: Dr. DuPre, we certainly appreciate you and your insight here. Just a horrific circumstance in the back of that tractor trailer. I want to

bring in David Kyle. He is a human smuggling and trafficking expert and a professor at the University of California, Davis campus.

So, professor, take us through. How widespread is this problem in general, and how many people, you know, again, across this country are the victims

of such trafficking?

DAVID KYLE, PROFESSOR, HUMAN SMUGGLING AND TRAFFICKING EXPERT: Well, this is really a human smuggling operation in which migrants are paying a fee to

get across the border. What`s unusual about this is that most of the time in a smuggling operation, the smugglers take care to get their cargo across

the border because it`s really about repeat business.

This is not human trafficking where they end up in slavery. That said, human smuggling is a billion dollar industry. People die almost every day.

We`re on target to hit about 200 migrant deaths this year, and that`s about the equivalent where we were last year at this time. Last year we hit

almost 400 deaths on the border.

JACKSON: I`m sorry, professor, did you say something about a billion dollars?

KYLE: It`s about a billion dollar industry, yes.

JACKSON: How so? What is involved in the collection of that money? And just the enterprises in general that form around it? Could you give us a sense

of that?

KYLE: Well, the enterprises come in different forms. There`s been a lot of coverage about drug trafficking rings. However, that`s mostly at the

bottleneck territories in which they`re charging the tax or sort of protection fee. In general, it works much like a travel agency. There`s a

lot of trust on both sides, both the smuggler side and the migrant side. Once again, it`s about repeat business.

Part of the fee and part of the profit can also come from the loans that sometimes are involved as well. So there could be some interest on top of

it. But for example, these migrants, it seemed like they paid about 3,500 or $5,000 which is about right. So we can do the math and see that it

doesn`t take that many migrants to add up pretty quickly.

JACKSON: And professor, we appreciate you. Just quickly, I want to bring in Areva Martin who is here. Areva, obviously the tructor says, I didn`t have

any idea, I didn`t know who was there, you know. Do you think that`s something that they`ll buy ultimately?

MARTIN: Not at all. And I think what the professor is shining the light on is that this is an operation. So that truck driver could not have done this

alone.

JACKSON: Yes.

MARTIN: He must be a part of a much larger criminal operation, and to have 200 people

[20:40:00] smuggled into the country means that there`s been months and months if not years of negotiation and transactions --

JACKSON: Yes.

MARTIN: -- to get to this point. So hopefully, what the investigators are doing now is putting pressure on that driver to give the names of the other

individuals who are, in all likelihood, responsible.

JACKSON: Absolutely.

MARTIN: The main players. That guy looks like he`s about 50, 60 years old. I hardly think he`s in charge of this major operation.

JACKSON: Right. But needs to be accountable. People are banging, banging, banging. And to say I had to idea --

MARTIN: He`s accountable and there are some accomplices out there. And I hope they`re caught as well.

JACKSON: Absolutely.

MARTIN: This is just reprehensible, what happened to these individuals.

JACKSON: Indeed it is. With the conditions there. So, in 2011, Dalia Dippolito was convicted in a murder for hire plot targeting her then

husband Michael. Three years later, that conviction was tossed and she was retried and it ended with a hung jury. Last month, she was in a Florida

courtroom for the third time and she was convicted. Now, she`s been sentenced, but does her punishment fit the crime? We`ll talk about it next.

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JACKSON: For Dalia Dippolito, the third time was definitely was definitely not a charm. Her third trial for attempting to hire a hit man to kill her

husband ended in a guilty verdict and a long prison sentence. Who can forget this video showing Dalia being told by her husband or at least that

her husband was dead while cameras from the show cops are rolling. Take a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DALIA DIPPOLITO, CONVICTED FOR PLOTTING DEATH: No, No, no. Oh, my God.

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JACKSON: But that wasn`t the only time that Dalia was caught on video. Hidden cameras also caught her talking to an undercover cop who was posing

as a hit man about what happened. Take a look.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If it`s not done by Wednesday, then I`ll call you. If it`s done by Wednesday, the only thing you`re going to hear from me is to

collect, all right?

DIPPOLITO: OK.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Which is why I said that between now and when it`s done, you know, you`re not going to have an option to change your mind. Even if

you change your mind --

DIPPOLITO: There`s no changing. No, there`s no like, I`m determined already. I`m positive, like 5,000 percent sure. Like I was stressing when

you told me you were going come up here and then I`m like looking at the time and I`m like what the (beep) he`s not coming, he`s not this.

You know like all this stuff or whatever. Like no, when I say I`m going to do something, I`m going to do it. Like as soon as you told me listen, I

need the money from you I went, I grabbed it right away, like we were good to go. Like with me, you`re not going to have problem, you`re not going to

have an issue.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

JACKSON: So, thankfully, Dalia`s husband was not killed. So check out her reaction of him walking into the interrogation room after she was told that

he was dead. Take a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DIPPOLITO: Oh, my God.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`s alive.

DIPPOLITO: Come here, please. Come here. Mike, come here. Come here, please. Come here.

MICHAEL DIPPOLITO, VICTIM FOR MURDER FOR HIRE PLOT: I can`t.

DIPPOLITO: Why not? I didn`t do anything to you.

M. DIPPOLITO: I heard you.

D. DIPPOLITO: Mike, come here, please. Come here.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

JACKSON: Daphne Duret is the criminal courts reporter for the Palm Beach Post and she was in court for Dalia Dippolito`s sentencing. She joins us

now from West Palm Beach, Florida. Take us through the sentencing. It appears as though this was the third time. Thank you for being with us.

What happened at that sentencing?

DAPHNE DURET, CRIMINAL COURTS REPORTER, PALM BEACH POST (via telephone): Thanks for having me. It was a pretty emotional sentencing hearing. And

although Dalia`s mother and sister and a bunch of other people wrote letters for support -- of support for her, the only person who actually

testified as a witness in the sentencing hearing was Michael Dippolito, the victim of this murder for hire plot. And it was pretty emotional for him.

I saw him. I was sitting directly behind him while he was listening to the videotapes being played again. And when he got on the witness stand and

testified and talked to the judge about what he wanted to see happen, he said things would have been different if Dalia had just owned up to the

plot. But because she kept saying that she didn`t do it and even on a jail call between the two of them after she was arrested, she kept saying no,

it`s not true.

I never tried to do what they`re saying that I tried to do. He was saying, but Dalia, I saw you, I saw you on video. She said, well, I saw the same

thing that you saw and it`s not true. So he was pretty upset by all of that. And one of the things that he said was, you know, he felt like it

wasn`t real for him. Like why are we sitting here? Like she didn`t just try to do this for me -- do this to me, rather.

And so it was a pretty emotional exchange between him and the defense attorney up on the witness stand. And, again, for him, I think it was nine

years -- eight, almost nine years after the fact. He`s still coming to terms with the fact that this woman that he loved and married tried to have

him killed.

JACKSON: Well, you know, it`s interesting you say that, Daphne. We actually have a soundbite from Michael Dippolito that we want the viewers to listen

to. And we`ll react to it following it. Let`s play that.

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M. DIPPOLITO: I get the sense everybody gets what I`m saying. This is just like -- I`m sitting here today and this is like -- this isn`t even real.

Like we`re still sitting here acting like this girl didn`t do this. Like they`re acting like that. It`s just amazing. It just blows me away. I can`t

even believe it. But, you know, it affected my life.

[20:50:00] My mom`s half a nut job over this. Probably cost me a few hundred grand. I`ve lost business over this. I almost was thrown in jail

from her trying to violate my probation, which somehow like magic, I made my way out, you know. The girl tried killing me probably three or four

times, handed me an iced tea with antifreeze in it. Smiled at them, you know. So, I mean, but it`s -- whatever. I guess that`s it.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

JACKSON: Dalia Dippolito`s attorney, Brian Claypool, joins us now. So, Brian, I know you worked your heart out for her. I know this was the third

trial. The second one was a hung jury. And I also know that there were some judicial rulings that you take issue with. Take us through that, Brian.

What happened at this trial that caused her to be convicted in your view?

CLAYPOOL: Joey, before I do that, I need you to set aside the fact that you`re a valued friend and a mentor to myself and my daughter. And I want

to set that aside for a minute. Let`s look at this objectively because you`re an esteemed trial lawyer. Let`s look at the legal part of this.

Remember, at the second trial, you tell me, Joey, how I go from getting five jurors in that second trial to acquit Dalia Dippolito. She almost won

that second trial. How do we go from that to a quick guilty verdict in a third trial? Well, let me tell you briefly why. Two big things.

JACKSON: When you say quick, Brian, it was an hour and a half that they actually --

CLAYPOOL: Yes.

JACKSON: OK. Verdict in an hour and a half.

CLAYPOOL: Yes, it was about an hour and a half, and that surprised everybody even the state prosecutor. But you heard Mike Dippolito at the

sentencing hearing mentioned tried tea, latte, some antifreeze that was put in that latte. Well, Joey, both in the first and second trials, that was

never admitted. It didn`t come into evidence because it would be too prejudicial to Dalia Dippolito.

But in this case, on the last day of trial, the trial judge allowed it in and said he was going to let it in to impeach the confidential informant`s

testimony. And we argued that it doesn`t impeach anything, number one, because the confidential informant, Joey, said it doesn`t change his view.

He didn`t believe that she would do that.

JACKSON: Now, is it true, Brian, that originally the judge agreed and said, I`m not going to admit it, and then ultimately said, I changed my mind.

CLAYPOOL: Absolutely, Joey. We had a pretrial ruling both on the chai tea latte issue and then there was a second issue about Dalia allegedly going

to Riviera Beach, Florida, six months prior to all of this. And allegedly talking to a guy on the street about having her husband killed. And the

confidential informant, without the jury being present, I questioned him.

And I said, did anybody -- did Dalia tell you this directly? He answered that no. And he said, you heard this from somebody on the street? Yes, and

that guy told me that another guy told me this. I mean, I know where your mind is going with this already. That`s like double hearsay.

JACKSON: Double hearsay, right.

CLAYPOOL: That`s like triple hearsay, exactly. But, Joey, we had a pretrial ruling on that issue as well. Then the Riviera Beach and the chai tea latte

incidents would not come into evidence in front of the jury. The judge on the last day of trial allowed both of those in for the sole reason to

allegedly impeach the confidential informant.

So the trial judge is saying, hey, look, I`m not letting this in for the truth of the matter, only to impeach. But, Joey, you know with your

lawyer`s hat as well as I do, that when the jury hears those two acts --

JACKSON: It`s over.

CLAYPOOL: She`s toast.

JACKSON: There`s no question about it.

(CROSSTALK)

CLAYPOOL: Let me share a chilling moment with you during trial. This was chilling. Right after the jury hears the part about the chai tea latte, the

alleged antifreeze, which by the way Mike Dippolito never reported to the police department at all. There was never an investigation done on that.

But right after that was spoken to in open court, during a break, Dalia whispered in my ear, and it killed my heart and soul. She said every single

juror wrote that down. So, I knew we were done at that point.

JACKSON: Goodness gracious. I think the prospects for perhaps a fourth trial, Brian, might be likely. I also hear you had an issue with a juror

sleeping and that juror wasn`t excluded. So much to talk about. Hopefully we`ll get another opportunity to do just that. Stay right there, Brian

Claypool.

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(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

JACKSON: On behalf of Ashleigh Banfield and the entire team here at HLN and PRIMETIME JUSTICE, we appreciate you watching. We appreciate you, Areva

Martin and Brian Claypool, for joining us, outstanding attorneys from L.A. We`ll see you back here tomorrow night at 8:00 for PRIMETIME JUSTICE.

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