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Search for Barcelona Suspects; Van Plows into Crowd in Barcelona; Trump Tweets about Attack; Tillerson Comments on Barcelona Attack; Police Arrest One in Barcelona Attack. Aired 2-2:30p ET

Aired August 17, 2017 - 14:00   ET


[14:00:02] ANNOUNCER: This is CNN breaking news.

BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: All right, let's take it. I'm Brooke Baldwin. You're watching CNN. We're going to continue this live special coverage here of this terror attack in Barcelona, Spain.

Let me just back up. This is what happened. This is around dinnertime, summer, August. Just imagine the crowds there in this part of Barcelona. This massive white van plowed, going roughly 50 miles an hour, through this crowd of pedestrians in Las Ramblas. This is this pedestrian, gorgeous walkway, tourist spot in the heart of Barcelona.

We know at least one person has been killed, 32 are injured. And authorities are guessing those numbers will rise.

We're going to show you through the course of the next two hours pictures that we're getting from Las Ramblas, from these victims. But I just want to warn you, before we roll this, what you are about to see is graphic and very disturbing.


BALDWIN: This is cell phone video showing bodies just strewn along the sidewalk there. Obviously, people racing to get out of the area. Some of these bodies moving, some not.

As for the driver, witnesses say they saw an individual get out of the car and run. The suspect or suspects are still missing, and a manhunt is underway right now. One person tells local media that this van was traveling about 50 miles an hour when it just mowed down this crowd.

Another witness says they heard the sound of gunshots while they were hiding in a nearby store. So a lot unknown. Let me just be crystal clear, a lot unknown at this

hour in Barcelona.

Let's begin the hour, though, with London reporter Rylee Carlson, who is here.

And so, Rylee, we've heard these reports. After we know this van careened into this crowd, there were these reports that these two armed men, you know, ran into this restaurant or a bar. Where are we on that? Has that been confirmed? Is there a hostage situation underway or is that not confirmed either? RYLEE CARLSON, REPORTER Well, that is one of the big unknowns at this

point in time, Brooke, but that is unconfirmed. We can't say whether or not that is actually ongoing, but it is something that local media has been reporting and also something that witnesses have been reporting to local media as well. So that is a -- could be a very big part of this story that at this point is very unclear and also unconfirmed.

But as you mentioned, police do say they are still searching for the driver of this van, and they do also say that they believe that this is a terror-related incident. They've activated their terrorism investigation protocols, although at this point they still say they can't point to a motive either, and no one has since claimed responsibility. So that just adds to what you said, still a lot unknown in Barcelona at this hour, Brooke.

BALDWIN: All right, Evan Perez, let me go to you because I know we have some reporting involving some sort of get-away car. What are you hearing?

EVAN PEREZ, CNN JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT: That's right, Brooke. At this hour, we're told at least by a U.S. official who has been in touch with the Spanish investigators that they believe that there was a get- away van that some of these suspects were trying to get to. That might explain why, again, adding to the confusion there from some of the initial reports, why we heard from some of the eyewitnesses that there were two vehicles. We know one of the vehicles was actually used to carry out the attack. This is the vehicle, the van, that was seen driving about 50 miles an hour down a stretch of about a mile on Las Ramblas, which is what caused, obviously, the injuries and at least one death at the scene there.

But it appears, according to a U.S. official that spoke to Shimon Prokupecz, one of our reporters here in Washington, that the Spanish authorities believe that there was a get-away vehicle that they were trying to get to. Now, the question is, where are those suspects? We have reports from local media, which indicate that at least one person, one suspect, has been arrested. They've identified this person. They're showing pictures of this person as the person who may have rented the van.

Now, we don't know, we haven't verified this yet from the local authorities. They have not been saying anything official. But we do know from the local media there, including "el Pais" (ph) and the public broadcaster, that police are telling them that they have arrested one person. There's also those reports that you just mentioned, including from some of the eye-witnesses who have spoken to us, that there is some kind of scene right near the scene of this incident where there -- some people might be holed up and the police are trying to figure out what is happening there, whether or not there's some hostages, whether these might be one or two of the suspects that carried out this attack, Brooke.

BALDWIN: Sure. OK. We'll keep working our sources and try to figure out what exactly is happening, if people are holed up, if there are additional victims. [14:05:02] Evan, stand by.

PEREZ: As we've been talking, the president has tweeted. Let me just read the tweet from President Trump. He writes, the United States condemns the terror attack in Barcelona, Spain, and will do whatever is necessary to help. Be tough and strong. We love you. From the president.

I've got a number of voices I want to bring in here.

Paul Cruickshank, just beginning with you, CNN terrorism analyst and editor in chief of CTC Sentinel. You have all kinds of sources. What are you hearing?

PAUL CRUICKSHANK, CNN TERRORISM ANALYST: Well, it's quite a confused situation at the moment. Was this just a vehicle attack? Was there a second act to this attack? Was there a multiphase aspect to this, some kind of potential hostage situation? That second part, very much not confirmed at this point.


CRUICKSHANK: But clearly a suspect, maybe several suspects, still at large, potentially.

BALDWIN: Several suspects potentially at large.

CRUICKSHANK: That is just not clear how many people might have been involved at this point.

And so they're very alert. They want to get their heads around this very, very quickly. There's been one arrest. Not clear exactly how that relates to this attack at this point. There's been no claim of responsibility from any terrorist group yet. You wouldn't really expect that in just the opening hours, normally, after an attack. It normally takes them a little bit longer to claim these kind of attacks. And even if they do, it's sometimes completely opportunistic. They had no connection, no communication with the attacker or attackers in question.


CRUICKSHANK: But you and I, we were in Nice last summer.

BALDWIN: (INAUDIBLE) this time last year.

CRUICKSHANK: We saw the -- I mean the aftermath of that, 86 people killed in that attack. A few months later, there was the Berlin attack by somebody who was in touch with ISIS in Libya, communicating with them through encrypted messaging apps.

BALDWIN: Christmas market.

CRUICKSHANK: And that led to the -- another large casualty count over there. And then, of course, in the U.K., both attacks in London, London --

Westminster Bridge in March where we saw five people being killed. That was a multiphase attack where the attacker went on to try and stab -- well, actually stabbed a policeman outside the houses of the parliament before he was shot dead.

And then more recently, the London Bridge attack just a few weeks ago --


CRUICKSHANK: Where at night in London they launched a van attack into a crowd on the bridge and then started stabbing people to death in Borough market. Those attacks, they believe, were ISIS-inspired.

We haven't, though, seen a big kind of Paris-style sophisticated plot, ambitious plot in Europe, really since the last big major plot was the Brussels attacks in March of 2016, which was linked back to ISIS, a cell dispatched by the group to carry out an attack. We haven't seen those kind of attacks. They've been relying more on people they've been inspiring or communicating with.

BALDWIN: Sure. It just begs the question, other than the obvious why, what the motivation is, why Spain specifically.

Stay with me, Paul.

Bob Baer, just bringing you in, because I think, you know, the point was made on the air, you think of, you know, Belgium and you think of the U.K. and France as all helping be part of the U.S.-led coalition, the air strikes, Iraq and Syria, but not necessarily Spain. Why Barcelona, Bob? I mean I realize everyone's on vacation. This is a gorgeous part of the city and -- in Barcelona, Las Ramblas, evening, Thursday evening. Was this just an easy target for them?

BOB BAER, CNN INTELLIGENCE AND SECURITY ANALYST: A target of opportunity, exactly, Brooke. You know, it's crowded at that time. Spain in August, lot of foreign tourists, lot of British tourists, Americans as well. Barcelona is an iconic tourist destination.

Even though Spain is not involved in the wars in the Middle East, they still have a large North African community there, which has become radicalized and has been. You had the 2004 train bombings there.

And don't forget, this is not a war against a nation, against the United States or Britain, it's a war against western civilization. They truly believe that western civilization is intent upon destroying Islam. And I've said it over and over, they just want to lash out and kill as many people as they can. And as misguided as it is, I think that is the way they are going to defend their civilization. And these are young kids. A lot of, you know, criminal backgrounds. We don't know it's the Islamic State yet --


BAER: But certainly has the hallmarks of it, at least inspired. And that's the way I'm calling it now. And it's pretty consistent. The U.N. has come out with a report saying these people do not understand Islam and they do not understand traditional Islam, but they are grabbing on to an ideology which gives their lives meaning. And, you know, once they're taking this path of martyrdom, as they call it, they are willing to go out and strike out against any target that's vulnerable.

[14:10:14] BALDWIN: Talk about attacking the west. Let me just weave this new piece of information in. Apparently Oregon State University, their basketball team is in Barcelona. Apparently this attack was directly in front of the hotel where the OSU team was eating. And this is from the coach saying whether or not they're safe. Yes, we are. Happened directly in front of our hotel while we were having a team meal in the restaurant. So senseless and sad. All accounted for.

Bob, stay with me.

Jim Acosta, let me bring you in, our senior White House correspondent here live in Bridgewater, New Jersey, where the president is staying on his working vacation.

We saw the tweet moment ago, Jim. What else are we hearing from the White House?

JIM ACOSTA, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Yes. Yes, Brooke, the president has been briefed on the situation in Barcelona. And as you saw, he just tweeted in the last several minutes that the United States condemns the terror attack in Barcelona, will do whatever necessary to help. Be tough and strong. We love you.

That followed a tweet from the first lady earlier this afternoon. And we do understand that Vice President Pence, he's going to be making some comments on this within the next couple of hours. Those should be on camera. The secretary of state, Rex Tillerson, made some remarks just a short while ago. And so the administration putting all these faces out there with the exception of the president, who's expected to remain behind closed doors to condemn what has happened out in Barcelona.

We should emphasize, Brooke, in the coming days, the president's going to be meeting with much of his national security team, including the vice president, when he heads to Camp David, we believe on Friday. And so this is obviously a reminder, even though we've had all these events that we've talked about in Charlottesville over the last several days, that he still has to represent the United States, still has to lead around the world and grapple with these very tough national security issues like these types of attacks. These opportunity attacks like we saw in Barcelona earlier today, Brooke.

BALDWIN: Jim, thank you. We'll be listening for the vice president to make those comments in the next couple of hours. Thank you so much.

Paul, just back over to you on, again, Spain. I realize, you know, Bob made the point, you know, you don't necessarily have to be a part of U.S.-led coalition to be involved. We know Spanish fighters are coming back enmeshed in different European communities. Why else? CRUICKSHANK: Well, and remember, walking down the Las Ramblas, there

would have been British tourists, American tourists, Dutch tourists, Belgian tourists, people who belong to countries who are engaged in air strikes in Syria and Iraq against ISIS.

BALDWIN: True. It's like a microcosm of the world there.

CRUICKSHANK: This is a very -- a very international target in Barcelona.


CRUICKSHANK: But Spain has been grappling with a jihadi extremism problem for decades, more than 100 Spanish residents have traveled to join jihadi groups in Syria and Iraq, of which a significant portion have joined ISIS. That's actually a much lower number than some other countries in western Europe, like the U.K., France and Germany, where you almost had 1,000 each of those countries travel to join the group.

So the scale of the threat is less big in Spain than it is in some other countries, but they've been very vigilant. There have been hundreds of counterterrorism arrests in the last several years. They've been very concerned about potential plotting activity, been concerned about this foreign fighter travel to Syria and Iraq and people coming back.


CRUICKSHANK: And we've seen plots in Spain since the Madrid bombings all the way back in 2004, that they have had some serious terror plots, including against Barcelona. There's a plot all the way back in 2008 linked back to the Pakistani Taliban, a cell in Barcelona that was planning to hit the Barcelona metro. So this city, no stranger to the threat of Islamism extremism. And there's also, in various parts of Spain, there are clusters like all over western Europe of people who have become very radicalized, who have been attracted to charismatic preachers, who have been attracted to the message of ISIS over the Internet. And their message is right now, attack, attack, attack. We're losing ground in Syria and Iraq, so we're going to transition to international terrorism to rebuild our brand, to get support coming back in and to retaliate.

BALDWIN: God, they have their tentacles everywhere, it seems.

Elise Labott, let me bring you in, over at the State Department. We did hear from the secretary of state a little while ago addressing what happened in Barcelona.

ELISE LABOTT, CNN GLOBAL AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT: That's right, Brooke. Well, this all happened while Secretary Tillerson and Defense Secretary Mattis were with the Japanese foreign and defense ministers talking about security matters, including the conflict with North Korea. And so before he came out to brief the press, obviously, Secretary Tillerson briefed on the incident in Barcelona, and this is what he just said to reporters just moments ago. Take a listen.


REX TILLERSON, SECRETARY OF STATE: I'd like to start by acknowledging the incident in Barcelona, which has the hallmarks, it appears, of yet another terrorist attack.

[14:15:03] We offer our condolences to the loss of life and the injuries that have occurred to so many innocent people yet again.

We will continue to monitor the situation. We stand ready to assist law enforcement, national security authorities in Spain. Our consulates in Barcelona and our entire mission Spain team are currently assisting Americans in Spain who are affected by these events.

We ask U.S. citizens in the area to let your loved ones know you are safe. Terrorists around the world should know the United States and our allies are resolved to find you and bring you to justice.


LABOTT: And Secretary Tillerson, of course, this has been happening all too often and the U.S. is having to deal with allies around the world, particularly in Europe about these type of car attacks, these shootings, Brooke. He just -- Secretary Tillerson just swore in a new counterterrorism coordinator named Nathan Sales, a former DOJ and DHS official. And this is certainly one of his first orders of duty is to try and shore up intelligence and security cooperation with these allies around the world as these lone wolf-type attacks continue to pop up.

Of course we -- there's a lot we don't know about this attack, but certainly trying to prevent these type of attacks for U.S. allies and the potential damage to U.S. citizens abroad, a real priority for this secretary.

BALDWIN: Absolutely, as it should be.

Elise, thank you so much on Secretary Tillerson.

Again, the president tweeting moments ago condemning the terror attack, essentially saying, whatever -- we'll do whatever necessary to help.

Evan Perez, our justice correspondent, let me just bring you back in as you're, you know, working the phones, you and Shimon and others. You know, you had the getaway car reporting, the word of this one arrest.

PEREZ: Right.

BALDWIN: What else do you have?

PEREZ: Well, Brooke, we have an important update now from the Catalan police. On their official Twitter page they're now saying officially that there is one man arrested. They don't identify that person who has been arrested. And they also say, very importantly, that there is no hostage situation. There are no other --

BALDWIN: Oh, good.

PEREZ: There are no other attackers holed up in a bar. We've heard this now from some of the eye-witnesses. We've heard this from local media in Barcelona. The concern was that perhaps one or more attackers had fled the scene and was able to get into a bar or a restaurant nearby and was holding hostages. And that's one reason why, out of an abundance of caution, the police were preventing people from exiting some of the nearby establishments, some of the nearby restaurants there. As you know, that's a very popular area.

But we now have the clarification from the -- the official clarification from the police there in Catalonia and they say that there is nobody being held hostage. There are no suspects being holed up in a restaurant or bar there in the center of Barcelona. And that they have, indeed, arrested one man. They don't identify that person. The local media have shown pictures and have given the name of that person.

I got to tell you, Brooke, I was on the FaceBook page of that person earlier. I'm not identifying the person because we don't know whether or not this person actually was behind the attack or --


PEREZ: What the reason for the arrest. But I was reading the FaceBook page, and you see some anti-Israeli sentiment on the FaceBook page. That page has now been taken down from -- by FaceBook, perhaps, as a result of the attention it's getting. So we don't know, again, from the police, the identity of this person that's been arrested and why the person was arrested. We know from local media reports, including from the public broadcaster there in Barcelona, that it may be the person who rented the van, the van that carried out this attack.

BALDWIN: Got it.

So -- all right, let's back up a step. If we know the reporting is that there was this huge white van that plowed through this popular thoroughfare in Barcelona, the great news that you're reporting is that there is no hostage situation underway.

PEREZ: Right.

BALDWIN: If they've got one person, which could be the person who rented the van, who remains? Do we know how many other suspects are still at large?

PEREZ: We don't know. We don't know whether or not there were other people who were inside the van who managed to get away. Obviously, it's still a developing situation, a very confusing situation, especially with eye-witnesses who said that they saw other people fleeing. So, obviously, when something like this happens, you have a mass of people just fleeing, going all different directions, and that adds to the confusion, some of the eyewitness accounts that have added to the confusion here from the local authorities. But at this point, what we know from the local authorities that there's only one arrest, one man who has been arrested. They do not identify that person. And that there is no hostage situation. There's nobody holed up in a bar nearby.

Obviously, they all are still trying to investigate the situation, Brooke --


PEREZ: And they do say on their FaceBook page and on their Twitter page, they're asking for information from eyewitnesses, anybody who has any information, they're asking people to come forward.

[14:20:03] BALDWIN: OK, Evan, valuable information. Keep popping in and giving us more information.

PEREZ: Sure.

BALDWIN: For now, I'm going let you go. Thank you so much.

James Gagliano just sad down, former FBI.

Let me just ask you, because it seems to me, look, this is what happens in breaking news. It's a fluid situation. We don't know -- they don't entirely know if it's maybe one person, several people. Again, the good news from Evan, it's not a hostage situation. But, at the same time, they have to still establish a perimeter, continue to search for additional possible suspects. Walk me through that process, what they're doing right now.


Once they determine that there are no hostages, that changes the calculus immeasurably because now it goes from a fluid, you've got to have a dynamic entry plan, you've got to be able to move in and interdict or mitigate any more deaths or carnage, to a situation where you want to establish a barricade, as you pointed out, a tight perimeter.


GAGLIANO: And now it becomes a crime scene. You've still got to potentially negotiate with terrorists, and as Paul can certainly attest to, in the age of ISIS, there's a lot less negotiation. It's a lot more of, they want to kill as many people, make as big a splash as they can.

BALDWIN: If it's ISIS, though we still don't know. Yes.

GAGLIANO: If it's ISIS, which we don't know. This has all --

BALDWIN: All the hallmarks we know.

GAGLIANO: It has all the hallmarks of it, yes.

BALDWIN: We know.

But it sounds like we don't know. And, Paul, jump in. We don't know if there are even other suspects.

CRUICKSHANK: We don't know at this point. They'll be looking at CCTV, interviewing eyewitnesses. How many people jumped out of the van. I mean their -- this is a very crowded part of Barcelona. There may be some CCTV coverage there. They've -- from that they might be able to figure out quite quickly how many people were in the vehicle, was it just one person? Is that person already in custody. And so is this essentially over, or is that person not connected in terms of the actual attack itself and might there be other people still out there. They'll be -- they're looking at that with great ferocity right now. You're always worried in these situations that there could be follow- on attacks from copy cats, that other people connected to the group, this could be part of a larger cell that could also move forward with attacks elsewhere in the city or elsewhere in Spain. And so this is a country, Catalonia, on high alert right now in terms of the threat moving forward.

BALDWIN: So, just so -- Bob Baer, let me bring you back in as well in this whole conversation. You know, if we have -- according to Shimon Prokupecz and Evan Perez, perhaps this -- if this is in fact the driver of the van who they have in custody, plowed through these innocent victims on Las Ramblas, and perhaps ditch -- tried to ditch the van and grab the getaway car when this individual was arrested. Am I getting this correctly?

BAER: It sounds like that now. Now that we don't have a hostage situation, it sounds like a fairly simple attack at this point.


BAER: And whether he had friends waiting for him to get away or not, I wouldn't say these were, you know, people with military experience, the jihadis. Their purpose was they woke up one morning and saying we've got to do our best to, you know, join the cause.

BALDWIN: Wait, why do you say that?

BAER: And, of course, that -- what -- that's what --

BALDWIN: What are the indications?

BAER: Well, I mean, it's -- I mean the fact that the guy caught -- he got caught. There was no explosives involved so far. There were no weapons. There was no shooting. This sounds almost like an ad hoc attack. You know, if it had been well organized, they would have used that truck to breach a building, get in, take hostages and, you know, cause mass casualties, more mass casualties, but this is exactly what the Europeans are so worried about is people that wake up that are -- that are not militants. People they can't track --


BAER: By telephone or have been to Syria who are out to commit mass casualties, which we know these trucks, since the fourteenth of July attack last year in Nice, are as devastating as attacks with explosives.

BALDWIN: Art Roderick, I have you as well. What -- you know, in terms of this one individual who has been arrested, is in custody, is it the driver, is it not, is this the person that rented the van. These are all questions they're trying to ascertain answers to. What are some of the questions that authorities there in Barcelona are asking of this person?

ART RODERICK, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: I mean right now, obviously, if this is the individual that was in the van, not only the CCTV but any video from tourists. I'm sure they have all this pretty much nailed down at this point. Especially since they've made the announcement that they have this individual detained. Obviously, his Facebook page, as Evan reported, has already been taken down. I'm sure they have all that information. Associates, which part of the -- Spain did he come from. Was he actually from Spain or was he a individual that came back from fighting in the Middle East back to this particular area.

[14:25:03] So, they have a ton of information already that we don't know. And I find it interesting that there's a complete lack of info actually coming, you know, we've seen one press conference so far from the mayor and that really (INAUDIBLE) other than what --

BALDWIN: Well, actually, Art, let me cut you off because we did just get a little bit of information.


BALDWIN: This is --


BALDWIN: This is sad for me to report, but now we are learning that that death toll has now gone from one to 13. Thirteen people have been killed in this vehicle attack in Barcelona. So we do have that bit of tragic information to pass along.

The latest number as far as those injured, 32. Again, Spanish government officials saying those numbers could rise as well. And they certainly did when it came to fatalities.

Go ahead, Art. I cut you off.

RODERICK: No, no, no, that's -- and, you know, I'm not really surprised about that. I mean when we saw the earlier video, we saw a lot of people laying on the ground and nobody tending to them, which indicates more than likely those people had passed away.

But, you know, I'm sure they're unraveling this whole situation right now at this particular point. I agree with Bob, this is a very unsophisticated attack. But, obviously, it's created a lot of death and carnage there in that particular area. They picked a soft target, a tourist location. Streets were full of people. I think the key part here, too, now is, we've got to account for all the U.S. citizens that were in that area.


RODERICK: So, you know, contact your loved ones, as Secretary Tillerson said, and contact the embassy to make sure everybody's OK over there.


Art, thank you. Stay with me.

Paul Cruickshank, again, just bringing you back in.

Let me adjust some of the numbers. So confirming, this is from the minister of interior of the Catalan government, 13 dead and now at least 50 injured. So 13 and 50.

You're not surprised by that number being higher.

CRUICKSHANK: Well, I mean, we all saw those images. Those images are absolutely terrible.

BALDWIN: Horrible. Horrible to look at.

CRUICKSHANK: They're worried that that casualty count is going to go up both in terms of the number of injured and the number dead. With 13 confirmed killed, this makes it the second most deadly vehicle attack that we've seen in the west. We've seen in Europe in that Berlin attack, 12 killed. Now 13 in this attack in Barcelona.

Not quite as awful yet as those scenes which we both reported on in Nice, France, last summer --

BALDWIN: From France.

CRUICKSHANK: Where 86 people were killed in that atrocity. But it just goes to show that the deadly power -- and we saw this in Charlottesville as well, just last week, of vehicles, of larger vehicles --

BALDWIN: Totally different (ph).

CRUICKSHANK: How deadly they can be and how impossible they are to defend against because where there are people they can get hold of cars and you can -- there are crowds in every city, every town we live in, crowds always congregate. It's virtually impossible to prevent these kind of attacks. They can just drive around until they have a target or opportunity.

BALDWIN: And why is this -- these multiphase attacks that ISIS has long since -- and again, ISIS hasn't claimed responsibility, could be ISIS, could be ISIS-inspired, could be somebody else -- but they put a call out a number of years ago saying, not only, you know, use a car, run people over, but grab a knife, grab a machete, grab a gun and start shooting.

CRUICKSHANK: Because they --

BALDWIN: This is from them.

CRUICKSHANK: And they realized that they could hit the global headlines by seeing to have ownership in some way with some of these attacks. Some of them where they're communicating with the attackers. Some of them just merely inspired. And ISIS, over the last year or so, have been put under more pressure by the coalition. It's been more difficult for them to organize these big plots like the Paris attacks, like the Brussels attacks, more difficult for them to ship and dispatch operatives who they've trained back to Europe, back to the west to launch attacks where you have -- like with the Paris attacks, ten people on that night being involved.


CRUICKSHANK: This may be just one guy. But one individual, like we saw in Nice, can kill almost 100 people with a large vehicle.


Again, the latest numbers from the Spanish government, 13 dead, more than 50 injured.

And, just a note for all of you, listen, it's summertime. I know a lot of you know people who are traveling to or are in Barcelona. And here is the note from the U.S. consulate in Barcelona. Please only contact them if you need help. I can only imagine their phone is ringing. They're being deluged by phone calls and e-mails. So, again, the U.S. consulate in Barcelona saying, please only contact us if the situation is dire, if you need our help.

That said, let's go back to our justice correspondent, Evan Perez, who's been reporting out a lot of this information pertaining to the scene here in Barcelona, what we've in been learning. For people, Evan, who are just joining us, let's explain what has happened, you know, evening time in Spain, starting with this van.

PEREZ: Right, exactly, Brooke.

[14:29:57] This was a sunny day. It's the height of the tourist season there in Barcelona. So Las Ramblas was crowded. And you have a lot of people who, at this hour, were essentially just walking down this beautiful pedestrian walkway when this van driving, according to eyewitnesses