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U.K. Leaders Meet On London Attack, One Suspect Arrested; Protests Erupt After Ex-Cop Acquitted Of Murder; U.K. Prime Minister: Speculation On Attack Not Helpful; Trump Faces Criticism Over U.K. Attack Tweets; Transgender Troops Can Re-Enlist For Now. Aired 8-9a ET

Aired September 16, 2017 - 08:00   ET

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VICTOR BLACKWELL, CNN ANCHOR: U.K. police are calling it a significant arrest.

CHRISTI PAUL, CNN ANCHOR: This morning, a subway station is open again, but the U.K. terror threat is still at critical. The highest level meaning another attack may be imminent here. Security has been bumped up around the city.

Also, what else has been raised, the people who were injured, at least 30 we're being told now, were injured after a homemade bomb went off on that train. ISIS is claiming responsibility for the blast, but police are downplaying that claim, saying there's no evidence of ISIS' involvement thus far.

BLACKWELL: CNN's Nina Dos Santos is live from London right outside the underground station where the blast took place. Nina, we're not hearing much more about this arrest. They're just saying significant arrest, which a vague term. It may actually be more newsworthy what they're not releasing about the person they now have in custody.

NINA DOS SANTOS, CNN MONEY EUROPE EDITOR: Yes, let's compare and contrast this with the aftermath of the Manchester attack, which was the last time that the U.K. was struck by a bomber using TATP explosives. Obviously, a more deadly attack.

And what we saw immediately in the aftermath of that attack was a number of arrests and raids. Things have been progressing far more cautiously and also more undercover, let's say, over the course of the last 24 hours.

But now, of course, we do have that news of an arrest and it being significant. An 18-year-old man was taken into custody for questioning and arrested on terrorism-related offenses in connection to the attack that took place yesterday morning in Parsons Green.

He was apprehended in Port of Dover and that's significant because it's about 75 miles southeast from where I'm broadcasting to you from, from the British capital. It's also a major exit point from the United Kingdom to cross the body of water between the U.K. and the European mainland, the channel over to France and further afield. Now, police are not releasing the identity of this particular individual or indeed, any information about what their involvement may have been in the Parsons Green attack. That may be because they want to maintain an element of surprise.

What they have said just in case he was acting as part of a wider network, what they have said, though, is that this arrest is likely to lead to more significant activity. What is also significant is that despite the fact that we do have this one arrest, the threat level in this country still remains at critical, which means that another attack could be imminent from here.

The government has been meeting. We've seen the home secretary, Amber Rudd, starting out to chair that emergency so-called "Cobra" meeting, which they'll be briefed by law enforcement and security services, MI5, and other counterterrorism officials probably on this arrest and what we know about this individual.

One of the questions that the public will probably have is, was this individual acting alone, were they known to security services already before this attack had taken place. As you pointed out, the number of injured has risen now to 30.

The police are still saying, though, anybody who was involved in this attack yesterday morning, please do get in touch. Send us your video footage. The images that you have. They've collected 77 images from the public and also interviewed 45 witnesses so far.

BLACKWELL: Still very early in this investigation. Nina Dos Santos for us in London, thank you.

PAUL: CNN national security analyst, Peter Bergen, on the phone with us right now. Peter, that critical level still intact there, do you expect more attacks are imminent and soon?

PETER BERGEN, CNN NATIONAL SECURITY ANALYST (via telephone): Well, I mean, I think the fact that this critical level is only up, usually for three or four days because it puts so much stress on the law enforcement forces suggest the British government is concerned that there might be another attack.

The fact that the Kerber (ph) meeting is going on right now at Downing Street also implies strongly that they believe that may be something else going on here. Of course, you know, that's what they're paid to do, which is a big concern about this.

I mean, it's possible that this guy was a lone actor inspired by ISIS. It's possible that he had co-conspirators. At this point, we don't know. The fact that the bomb didn't work very well I think is interesting if it is indeed a hydrogen peroxide-based TATP bomb as seems to be the case.

These bombs are pretty hard to make if you're not that sophisticated, haven't been trained. You recall, of course, the Manchester attack at the area of the Ariana Grande concert, the perpetrator of that attack was trained by ISIS in Libya, had extensive, you know, kind of dealings with a (inaudible) branch of ISIS.

You know, this feels different. This feels like a homegrown attack, somebody who may have been reading recipes off the internet, didn't really know what he was doing. But, you know, that's just a hypothesis right now, but I think it's a reasonable one -- Christi.

[08:05:10] PAUL: When we hear officials there saying this arrest will lead to more activity from our offices, what exactly does that mean? Do you suspect that this person they have in custody is talking?

BERGEN: Well, he's 18, and he must be worried and concerned. He faces, you know, an extraordinarily long prison sentence if indeed he was the perpetrator or was involved in some way in this attack.

You know, one thing that I would be curious about immediately, Christi, is where was this bomb made. When you have a device like that, you usually have a -- some kind of bomb factory. The hydrogen peroxide-based bombs, the ingredients are highly unstable. They're easy to purchase.

But typically, there's a place where this bomb was put together. Sometimes, there's commercial refrigeration to kind of keep the ingredients stable. That would be the first question, where was this device made, did he get help from others or was it just something that he looked at recipes on the internet and tried to make himself?

PAUL: So, I guess because it was poorly constructed, do you assume that he was working alone or working with people, at least who were inexperienced?

BERGEN: The latter. I mean, he could have well had confederates. We've had people in the United States, Christi, where people have tried to build these bombs just for pure fun and they've blown themselves up because building this kind of device takes a lot of time.

You know, I've been -- I've watched bombmakers make this professional explosive experts, and you know, to make these bombs correctly, you have to spend many, many hours getting the hydrogen peroxide concentrated at the right level.

The ingredients aren't stable. You can blow yourself up if you don't know what you're doing or just have a dud, as he seems to be the case in this case. So, he may well have had confederates.

But to me, this doesn't have the feeling like we saw in the Manchester or the Paris attack in 2015 or the Brussels attack, all of which use hydrogen peroxide-based devices as part of the attacks.

This doesn't have that feeling because obviously this did not succeed. It was an ISIS-trained and directed attack you would have unfortunately seen something much more lethal.

PAUL: OK. All right. Well, Peter Bergen, thank you. Always good to get your insight on this. Thank you so much. BLACKWELL: Well, another big story we're following new from overnight, we're now hearing from that former St. Louis police officer, who says that he has done nothing wrong after being acquitted in the shooting death of a man in 2011. The officer's name, Jason Stockley says he has now -- a burden has been lifted from his shoulders.

PAUL: The verdict or the order from the judge really sparked outrage across the city. Most demonstrators did march peacefully, I want to point out, on the streets and this went on for hours. They were calling for justice in the death of Anthony Lamar Smith even blocked traffic at one point.

BLACKWELL: Look at this, some protesters setting fire to the American flag. The mayor's house pelted with paint, rocks as well. We know that nine officers, one state trooper were injured, and at least 23 people were arrested.

PAUL: CNN correspondent, Dan Simon is on the ground in St. Louis right now. Dan, any word as to whether more protests are expected today?

DAN SIMON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, good morning, Christi and Victor. I think that's really the open question. We have heard some talk about protesters gathering near the courthouse around 10:00 this morning, but nothing has been confirmed.

The open question is, are we going to see more demonstrators take to the streets tonight. Could we see more chaos? You know, we were really in the thick of it last night when things got under control.

Christi, as you pointed out for the most part, the demonstrations were peaceful. We saw it marching all throughout St. Louis chanting slogans. We saw people of all ages. We saw just as many whites as African-Americans marching in the crowd.

I would say the turning point occurred when you saw several hundred of these protesters gather around the mayor's house, and they began taking rocks and smashing windows. That's when police came in, they tried to disperse the crowd.

They used pepper spray. They used tear gas. It seemed to be an effective way to get the crowd to go home. Nonetheless, it was disturbing to see all of that. Keep in mind, the mayor was somebody who condemned the verdict.

Arguably, she was on the protesters' side. So perhaps they just didn't know that or didn't care. The bottom line is, that was the worst of it. If that's all that happened, I'm sure they're pleased at city hall.

Nonetheless, they're prepared for anything that may erupt tonight. We know that the national guard is on standby. Lots of officers are working 12-hour shifts. We know that some actually had to cancel their personal days off in order to be ready for what may erupt this weekend -- Christi and Victor. [08:10:10] PAUL: All right. Dan simon, good to see you today. Thank you so much for the update.

BLACKWELL: All right. President Trump facing some criticism over his tweets shortly after that explosion on a London commuter train. Next, why the U.K. prime minister was criticizing the statements from the president.

PAUL: Also, new images this morning from North Korea reveal the exact moments of the latest missile launch over North Korea and how Kim Jong-Un plans to handle military drills moving forward.

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BLACKWELL: All right. It's 14 minutes after the hour now. President Trump is facing some criticism over his tweets about the London attack.

PAUL: Yes. The president suggested the suspect was known to authorities. Here's what he said exactly, "Another attack in London by a loser terrorist. These are sick and commented people who are in the sights of Scotland Yard. Must be proactive."

[08:15:05] Well, British Prime Minister Theresa May had this to say in response to those tweets.

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THERESA MAY, BRITISH PRIME MINISTER: I never think it's helpful for anybody to speculate on what is an ongoing investigation. As I've just said, the police and security services are looking to discover the full circumstance of this cowardly attack and to identify all those responsible.

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BLACKWELL: Later, White House National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster tried to explain the president's tweets. Watch.

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H.R. MCMASTER, NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER: What the president was communicating is that obviously all of our law enforcement efforts are focused on this terrorist threat for years. Scotland Yard has been a leader as our FBI has been a leader.

So, I think if there was a terrorist attack here, God forbid, that we would say that they were in the sights of the FBI so I think he didn't mean anything beyond that. I think he means generally this kind of activity is what we're trying to prevent.

And so, these organizations that are responsible for it, whatever comes outs of this investigation, that remains to be seen. It is likely that law enforcement had been working on that problem soon.

(END VIDEO CLIP) PAUL: CNN White House reporter, Jeremy Diamond, with us now from New Jersey where the president is today. Jeremy, good morning to you. What are you hearing this morning?

JEREMY DIAMOND, CNN WHITE HOUSE REPORTER: Good morning. Yes, well, that tweet from yesterday, still making some reverberations. You heard Theresa May's criticism, of course, there saying that the president should not be speculating.

Nobody should be speculating about things that they do not know. The president, of course, suggesting that these terrorists were in the sights of Scotland Yard. This comes after a few weeks after the president said in the wake of Charlottesville when he made that widely panned statements about responsibility on both sides saying that he was waiting to get the facts.

And, of course, that was met with some snickers in Washington where, of course, many are aware of the fact that the president quickly jumps to conclusions particularly after these sorts of terrorist attacks.

And that seems to be what we saw the president doing once again yesterday. But the president now is recouping here in New Jersey. He is just a few miles away at his golf club in Bedminster. He's preparing for what is going to be a heavy week of power house diplomacy.

The president's first United Nations General Assembly to attend since he became president of the United States earlier this year, of course. The president is expected to meet with a range of world leaders and yesterday, previewing this speech that he's going to be giving on Tuesday to the United Nations.

U.S. ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley saying that the president is going to essentially embrace allies in his speech and also offer condemnation of the United States enemies and some of its adversaries around the world.

So, certainly, this week is going to prove to be extremely newsworthy for the president and once again another test of this president's diplomatic efforts in ways in which he can advance his America's first agenda on the international stage.

PAUL: All right. Jeremy Diamond, we will be watching. Thank you so much.

BLACKWELL: All right. Jeremy Diamond, thanks so much.

North Korea's state-run news agency says North Korea is close to completing its nuclear goals. We'll take a look at the country's latest missile test and what it means as the president prepares to speak to the U.N. General Assembly.

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PAUL: So good to have you with us. It's 22 minutes past the hour. I'm Christi Paul.

BLACKWELL: I'm Victor Blackwell. Good morning to you. New details on our breaking news this morning. A major security meeting happening right now in London. British leaders, police, and intelligence chiefs are discussing the terror attack that happened on that train. An 18- year-old man is in custody in connection with the underground train blast and U.K. police are calling this is a significant arrest.

PAUL: This morning, the subway station is open as well. The U.K. terror threat is still at critical. Security's been stepped up around the city and the number of people injured has gone up this morning. Now, at least 30 people reported injured after that homemade bomb went off on a train during rush hour.

BLACKWELL: All right. Joining us now to talk about this, A.B. Stoddard, associate editor and columnist at "Real Clear Politics," and Juana Summers, CNN politics senior writer. Ladies, good morning to both of you.

A.B., let me start with you. The president's tweets have been by many panned before he got the official word from British authorities that this was terror, also saying that Scotland Yard knew about these or had them in their sight.

What does the president need to say and what just the world need to hear from him as he prepares to speak to the U.N. General Assembly early this week?

A.B. STODDARD, ASSOCIATE EDITOR AND COLUMNIST, REALCLEARPOLITICS: Well, there was more formal from the statement yesterday, condemning terror and unwavering support for our British allies. And I think that you're going to hear more and more of that obviously at the U.N. General Assembly meeting this week, where he's going to try to move past this episode with the tweet.

But allies and adversaries around the world in official capacities and foreign governments are well used to this by now, the presidency of Donald Trump. It's not new anymore. It's not brand-new and they're well aware that he will take to the Twitter feed instantly after an attack to tout his sort of tough proposals, his travel ban.

And often sort of use a criticism -- critical and accusatory language like he did when referenced the fact that he thought that Scotland Yard was on to these very suspects. And the comments by National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster obviously just didn't even really make any sense. He tried to clean it up and make it go away but it didn't really work.

BLACKWELL: Juana, let me come to you, with another development overnight, the Defense Department now saying it will soon start releasing guidance on how the military will implement the president's plan for banning service by transgender individuals.

[08:25:05] But part of that, General Mattis says that he's going to start to allow transgender service men and women to re-enlist, at least for the time being. To separate policy and politics, from a policy standpoint, is this a period of study or is this a period to try to convince the president to reverse this ban?

JUANA SUMMERS, CNN POLITICS EDITOR: Obviously, this has been kind of a major shift. If you recall, when the president announced his position on transgender individuals serving in the armed forces, he did so without limited contacts and not a lot of information related to the Pentagon about how that would playout, how to make that happen.

So, I think that General Mattis likely is trying to make sure that there's a period of civility here while the group -- the working group that he's convening has kind of get together and figure out what the best way to handle this.

Keep in mind, this is a policy decision. It's been criticized even by members of the president's own party, Senator John McCain, who has the Senate Armed Services panel comes to mind.

So, I think the goal here really is to make sure that everyone kind of stays on the same page while there's a vast case scenario figured out how to move forward given the president has made his policy position on transgender members of the Armed Forces clear.

BLACKWELL: Juana, I thank you for the transition. A.B., I was going to bring up Senator McCain's co-sponsoring of a bill that would block President Trump's implementation of a ban on transgender men and women serving in the Armed Forces.

Is this a symbol? Is it simply a statement or is there enough bipartisan support in Congress to override a potential veto to this planned ban?

STODDARD: Well, we don't know yet if there's that level of support, but I'm sure that the proponents of the bill are looking for it and I think there's a sense among lawmakers on the Armed Services Committee, obviously, General Mattis, the secretary of defense, is very uncomfortable with this decision that President Trump made over Twitter that Juana was referring to.

But really complicated things regardless of whether -- of how people even feel about this policy that there's even potential legal complications for men and women serving who were invited under the previous administration to serve openly, now potentially being asked to leave.

And they're still serving and putting their lives at risk for us. Obviously, proponents of the bill make this case with 1 percent of the population of this country offering to serve, we should let any able- bodied and able-mind person who can meet the readiness threshold serve in our Armed Forces.

So, I think this legislative effort is trying to actually support the efforts of those likely including the secretary of defense who are trying to keep this policy in place.

BLACKWELL: So, Juana, let me come to you also staying with the armed services and those who serve our country a tweet that came from the president in the afternoon yesterday, in which he tweeted -- I think we've got it here.

It says, "NEVER forget our heroes held prisoner or who have gone missing in action while serving their country." The president tweeting a link to the proclamation that Friday is national prisoners of war and missing in action recognition day.

Let's remember what the president said back in 2015 about those who are prisoners of war.

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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: He's not a war hero. He's a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren't captured, OK? I hate to tell you.

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BLACKWELL: So, there's obviously an inconsistency here. I don't think it would be too much to question the authenticity of a statement like that from the president, after we've heard that from his own mouth. This wasn't something that was written by someone else.

SUMMERS: Yes. I mean, I think that this is one of the number of statements that we've seen where the president's off-the-cuff rhetoric, both prior to him becoming an officeholder, president of the United States, and the rhetoric in speeches that are written out or public statements issued from his office do not necessarily match up.

I would personally like to think this is indicative of a person who is rising to the office of which they hold. Obviously, our men and women in uniform are incredibly important and should be valued and treasured.

And being a prisoner of war that is a grueling experience likes of which most of us, thankfully, have never had to be involved with. It's really harder to square as you point out, Victor, some of those contradictory statements made from this White House from somebody who hasn't had a long public life. There's a significant body of those comments to draw back to.

BLACKWELL: All right. Juana Summers, A.B. Stoddard, thank you both -- Christi.

PAUL: Protests in St. Louis overnight ended with at least 23 arrests, 10 law enforcement officials were injured. Demonstrations marched through the city protesting the acquittal of Officer Jason Stockley in the 2011 shooting death of Anthony Lamar Smith. Protests were largely peaceful we want to point out although there were instances of violence.

BLACKWELL: Some protesters clashed with police. You'll see some of that here. There was vandalism of some property including the mayor's house. Someone threw rocks at windows. Someone smashed a windshield of a police vehicle. Officers hit with bottles. We spoke with the St. Louis dispatch after the acquittal watch. POST DISPATCH, ST. LOUIS: I do not remember stating that I was that -

we or I was going to kill don't you know it. The first time that I heard that was when I met with the FBI. And I gave them the same answer that I am giving you now, which was I don't recall saying it. But I never denied it.

I can tell you with absolute certainty that there was no plan to murder Anthony Smith during a high speed vehicle pursuit. It's just not the case. And I wish that I could tell you exactly what that meant. Whether it was just heat of the moment or whether it was part of another conversation. I just don't remember.

BLACKWELL: Stockley also say's in that interview that it feels like a burden has been lifted.

CNN ANNOUNCER: We got this new video of the act of defiance from North Korea that fires another Ballistic missile over Japan. North Korea leader Kim Jong-Un watched the latest missile launch and said that al drills going forward should be like this.

PAUL: CNN international correspondent Ivan Watson is live in South Seoul, Korea, with the very latest. What are you hearing there?

IVAN WATSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Good morning Christi, and Victor. There is a condemnation for that intercontinental ballistic missile. And allies condemned it. And with Japanese territory, they condemned it and so has Russia and China both signatories supposed to ban North Korea from Nuclear weapons, and these ballistic missiles.

But North Korea remains characteristically defiant. It announced that Kim Jung-Un oversaw the missile launch which took place Friday morning here local time. And went one step further, effectively doubling down, ordering his forces to run and up work at full speed to try to develop North Korea's nuclear arsenal, to somehow reach parity with the U.S military.

And the essential goal here is to develop arsenal of ballistic missiles -- Intercontinental ballistic missile that can carry nuclear warheads all the way to the U.S mainland. That is North Korea's stated goal, despite recent sanctions from the U.N Security Council, which were just imposed a couple of days ago. So the impasse over North Korea's nuclear program very much continues here on the Korean peninsula, Victor and Christi.

PAUL: Ivan Watson, so grateful to hear you in today. Thank you.

BLACKWELL: Well the Presidents parameters for a deal for the deal for dreamers, is really upsetting and raging some conservatives why the President meeting with democrats has the GOP worried about his allegiance to the party.

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[8:35:00] PAUL: A day after President Trump hosted Senator Chuck Schumer and congress woman Nancy Pelosi at the White House for dinner the President said he can support legislation to protect dreamers from Legislation. He tweeted, they're really good people and if a deal is to be reached it would come from a massive security border upgrade. Listen to this.

DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We're working on a plan for D.A.C.A. People want to see that happen. You have 800,000 young people brought here, no fault of their own. So we're working on a plan. We'll see how it works out. We're going o get massive boarder security as part of that. And I think something can happen. We'll see what happens. Something will happen.

BLACKWELL: And there has been protests, dozens of them across the Country over this issue. You see here in California, students walking out of classes this week to protest of ending dreamers program.

PAUL: President Trump's negotiations with the democrats rattling some conservatives in the base there. This potential Dreamers deal would mark the second Trump/Nancy Pelosi deal in the past month. Gentlemen thank you for being with us. Ben, I want to ask you first and foremost, we have all of these congress people saying look, we need to cross party lines. We need to work together. Isn't that essentially what the President is doing with us right now?

BEN FERGUSON, POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Absolutely I think that the President also understands that the Republican leadership has not helped him on any of the basic issues which all of them ran on for reelection. Or to get reelected. Including repealing and replacing Obamacare.

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When you've got eight months in, and not a lot of wins on the board when you're working with your own party, you've got to look for people to broker deals and get things done. I think there are a lot of conservatives okay with deal on D.A.C.A. and congress.

And there are a lot of Democrats okay with the deal on D.A.C.A. But if the President moves forward with this, he has to make it very clear to the American people, especially with those who voted for him. There is no deal on D.A.C.A without border security. If you go in there with Democrats and you do a deal on D.A.C.A with only promises and not guaranteeing or legislation or actually funding passing for the border wall, five years ago from now it's going to be D.A.C.A 2.0 or 3.0.

PAUL: All right. Sam, you say the President may be rattling with some nerves there. There are some people saying we do not like you mixing that plan together. To that, you say?

SAMUEL NUNBERG, FORMER TRUMP AIDE: Well yes, that's exactly correct. I agree with everything Ben said. But here's the deal, D.A.C.A is a major concession. It's a chip that we as Republicans hold on immigration. PAUL: Wouldn't the law be a concession as well?

NUNBERG: That's exactly right. The wall would be a concession by Democrats. Why would the President - I don't think this is a good deal by him right now. Why would the plead creed and say I want to extend the deal on D.A.C.A, I want to make sure that the people between ages 16 to 36 who are here illegally, can stay. Which is fine, we don't have to give them the substance of that. But without getting funding for the wall, without getting major border security, it's a bad deal, it's a bad deal.

PAUL: But there's risk, is there not? A political risk for the president if he sends -

NUNBERG: Huge.

PAUL: -- tries to send all of these people back? We're talking 800,000 people.

FERGUSON: There's a huge political risk. But I don't think a big political risk form his base. New polls show that 60% of conservatives are in favor of allowing people that actually signed up, came forward and worked through the D.A.C.A program ability to have a pathway to stay in this country. That does not mean they're necessarily in favor of the full blown amnesty.

There's also compassion form Conservatives. The average age in D.A.C.A, they were 6.5 years old when they came to this country. That means that 50% of those people were under the age of 6.5 when they came here. So there is compassion. But the concern is, and we've heard this before, oh well, we'll deal with this now.

And we'll allow them to have citizenship or pathway to citizenship. And then we'll do border control later. He will lose the base. We've seen this multiple times. We know how it plays out, to be honest with you, with the Democratic Party, they want D.A.C.A. The Democratic Party has no interest in border security.

They've never abdicated for it. They've never wanted it; they certainly don't want the border wall. And so you better hope you're not going to get played on it.

PAUL: Sam, he seems sympathetic to the issue. Let's listen to what the President said when it came to the issue.

TRUMP: We're not looking at citizenship, we're looking at amnesty. We're looking at allowing people to stay here. We're working with everybody. Republican, democrat, I just spoke with Paul Ryan. He's on board. Everybody's on board. They want to do something. We're not talking about amnesty. We're talking about - we're talking about taking care of people. People that were brought here - people that were doing a good job, people who weren't brought here of their own violation.

PAUL: All right, see he said we aren't looking at Amnesty. That was key obviously to his base. NUNBERG: It's legalization, yes.

PAUL: I'm sorry?

NUNBERG: It's legalization. We're going to allow them to stay here. Once again, just like Ben, I'm not opposed to D.E.C.A, but what I am opposed to is doing D.A.C.A without security, without the wall.

PAUL: But the President has said, he won't do D.A.C.A without the wall.

NUNBERG: But that's new, that's new. Because he didn't say that a couple of day's ago. Certainly when Pelosi and Schumer left that dinner, they immediately memorialized with a statement and they said that passing D.A.C.A to them, what the president told them, was not tied to the wall. And to go broader, here's the problem for me, as a republican and as a conservative.

If at the end of the day, the President's major domestic legislative accomplishment is going to be D.A.C.A after he has done clean - raised the debt ceiling basically cleanly. And has kept Barack Obama's budget for a full fiscal year, by the way, I don't believe they're going to end up passing taxes.

They just can't get their act together. We as republicans are apparently are not a governing party. Then what did I get - what did I get as a voter, as a supporter? What do I get as a republican with a republican President majority? What did I get?

PAUL: Ben you get the last word.

FERGUSON: One other thing here, the President is in a unique situation because he has nothing to show for the first eight months when it comes specifically to working with the Republicans in congress. There is - he's in a situation where, as the President, you've got to leave.

You just can't be stagnant and continue to be screwed over by Mitch McConnell and other Republican Rhinos. He has to sit down. The republicans should be angry for not working with congress. Specifically Republicans.

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PAUL: I'm sorry we ran out of time gentlemen. Always appreciate you being here. Thank you so much for sharing.

FERGUSON: Thank you.

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PAUL: I know the pictures over the last few weeks have been really tough to see what these people have been dealing with in Irma. And now, Harvey of course, and now, yet, we're looking at another Hurricane.

BLACKWELL: Yes, Jose is out there. Still a category one. Let's go to Allison Chinchar in the CNN weather center for the latest. And now that we see there are some U.S cities in the far northeast in cone of uncertainty. Tell us what you think the track is and what we're expecting.

ALLISON CHINCHAR, CNN METEROLOGIST: Yes, that's right. It's still a long shot Some of these cities like New York and Boston. But we'll get the latest with Hurricane Jose 80 miles per house.

Gusting up to 100 miles per hour. That is an indication from overnight. Likely today, the National Hurricane center say's there could be as early as today be issuing tropical storm watches for some areas. Then as we transition into Wednesday and Thursday this week, you'll notice New York, Boston, Nantucket, Albeit, they're on the far Western fringe of the cone, they are still in the cone.

One thing we'd like to point out, regardless of whether or not it's not expected to intensify much more than it already has. Because as it moves forth, it's going to be moving into much more cooler water. And that will limit it's ability to intensify. Victor, Christi, we talked about this earlier, really from Maine, all the way down to Florida, you will have some impact.

Especially in the form of rip currents. Is his going to be a dangerous threat for the next three or four days?

BLACKWELL: All right Allison Chinchar, thank you so much. TV's biggest awards, Emmy awards Sunday night.

PAUL: SNL also leading the pack of 22 nominations, CNN'S Stephanie Elam has more.

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UNIDENTIFIED PARTCIPANT: Yes, Mr. President, you say that literally all the time.

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ELAM: The 69th annual Emmy awards will celebrate the best of the small screen.

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UNITENTIFIED PARTCIPANT: I want to begin today by apologizing on behalf of you to me.

ELAM: And with politics refueling its satirical engine, this year it's all about Saturday night live.

DEBRA BIMBAUM, EXECUTIVE TV EDITOR: This was a tremendous year for SNL. It got tied for the most nominations this year. I think it's because it was a great political year. They were on fire.

ELAM: With a late start, "Game of Thrones" was not eligible. We with westwood dominating the categories the sci-fi saga is up for 22 trophies including best drama. It will face off with Crown, The Handmaids Tale, and House of Cards, Stranger Things, and rating sensation, this is us.

BIMBAUM: I think it's a popular hit, everyone loves it. I wouldn't be surprised if "This Is Us" drama doesn't take the best drama trophy.

UNIDENTIFIED PARTCIPANT: We need to reform. We need to reaffirm the "R".

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ELAM: The HBO mainstay is up against Atlanta, Blackish, Monster Of None, Modern Family, Silicon Valley, and unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt. Stephen Colbert will host the show. Almost a guarantee that politics will take the center stage. Much like Politics of late, Stephanie Elam, CNN, Hollywood.

BLACKWELL: See you back here at 10:00 eastern.

PAUL: Smerconish is coming at you next. Stay close.