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Horrifying Scenes in Las Vegas Shooting Incident. Aired 10:16- 11p ET

Aired October 4, 2017 - 22:16   ET



[22:16:37] DON LEMON, CNN HOST: Thank you very much, Chris. That was a great conversation with leader Pelosi, an important conversation for all Americans. And you're going to see why over the next couple of hours here on CNN.

This is CNN Tonight. I'm Don Lemon. Thanks for joining us. We have breaking news here live in Las Vegas.

Stunning new video of Sunday night's massacre. This is the moment right here when it became apparent to the crowd that they were under attack and officers began urging them to keep moving. And I have to warn you this video is very disturbing.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's not -- go to your right. Get down. Get down. Get down. Stay down. Go now. Go. Go. Go!






UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get down! Get down! Everybody down!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get down right here! Right here.




UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Keep going! Guys, keep going, please!




UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Get down! Get down! Get down! Everybody, get down. Everybody, down.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get down right here.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Come on. Go, go, keep going. Guys, keep going, please, please.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Down, down, down.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I got you. I got you.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you want me to take care of this and you go there?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I just keep (Inaudible), man.

[22:20:00] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Fortunately, medical. (muted)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You're going to be all right.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What's going on right now?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you want me to take care of him so you can go?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get down! Get down! Go on. Don't stop. Run. Don't walk.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Run! Go! Go! Everybody go! Go! Run. Keep your head down. Go! Run, keep your head down. Go. Run. Keep your head down. Run. Go! Keep your head down. Run. Go! Keep your head down. Run. Go! Come on. Keep your head down. Go. Come on! Run. Go. Keep your head down. Run. Go! Keep your head down. Go! Keep your head down. Go! Go!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Run, run, run, run, run.


LEMON: I mean, that video is stunning. You can see people lying there a little bit later on in the video. You can see people who are injured. We don't want to put those people on camera necessarily because we don't know their conditions and we don't have permission. But I have seen the video and there is someone who has a bad injury on their arm. There is someone who has a wound to his abdomen and on and on and on.

Let's discuss this really horrific, excuse me, horrifying video. CNN law enforcement analyst, Art Roderick is here. Chris Swecker is here as well, he is the former FBI assistant director for the criminal investigative division, CNN law enforcement analyst, James Gagliano joins us as well.

Art, you first. What stands out with this video as you watch what happened.

ART RODERICK, LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST, CNN: It's absolutely harrowing video, but it seems to cover the whole nine to ten minutes at this individual is shooting and you can see that there was breaks in the shooting.

Now, whether that means he's moving from window to window or changing magazines, changing weapons, but we picked out a couple different reports of different caliber weapons that are fired during this nine to ten-minute video.

LEMON: And I heard you guys talking as we were watching the video before. You said you can hear the difference, James, in the weapons from the sound.

JAMES GAGLIANO, LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST, CNN: Absolutely. The reports of the weapons are distinctly difference. I mean, there's a different sound from a 308 to a 223. What I was struck by, Don, was the calm and the chaos. I mean, the entrance the egress and ingress points over that concert were controlled by cues and barricades.

Seeing the folks come out and staying calm and watching the officers. I was at 9/11 in lower Manhattan. I saw New York City Fire Department personnel going up the stairs against the flow of people coming out of the World Trade Center. This is the same thing. The Las Vegas Police Department, Sheriff's Department going against the flow and going towards the sound of the guns.

LEMON: Yes, unbelievable. And there was a new timeline, Chris, as all of this was going on.


LEMON: They released a new timeline tonight. The highlight is it didn't take officers long to get there. They said at 10.05 it started and at 10.12 the first two officers arrived on 31st floor which is one floor beneath them. They got there pretty fast.

SWECKER: Under the circumstances, absolutely. I mean, given that he's -- it's very difficult to determine where the shooting was coming from. They were very distinct volleys, but there were pauses. He was obviously switching weapons between the volleys. And the fact that they got up there within 10 or 12 minutes and were able to distract him apparently from what he was doing. Got him to stop shooting.

LEMON: As they were releasing this video, as they were talking about what happened here and as we watched this video, they also talked about the suspect having cameras as well on the floor. They believe there was two on the floor, one in the peephole, one of them may have been in a room service cart. Definitely planned out. SWECKER: Counter surveillance. He wants to know whose coming and



SWECKER: And that shows a lot of presence of mind, a lot of preplanning. All of this shows a lot of preplanning. For some we all want to think that this person was insane, but a lot of rational thought behind a lot of what he did.

LEMON: Art, let's talk about the motivation for this. Because two other things that came out. There believe there may been a triggering factor that happened in Las Vegas back in October of 2015. They wouldn't talk about what that event is. And then they said from just within the last year.


LEMON: That he bought 33 firearms, mostly rifles, 47 in total.


LEMON: What happened in that time?

RODERICK: Yes. I mean, it seems like he started the purchasing of weapons in October of 2016 through September of 2017.

LEMON: Twenty-sixteen.

RODERICK: Yes. And those weapons were purchased in four different states. So, you know, gun owners would recognize somebody coming in to purchase 33 weapons.

[22:24:57] So, he spread out the purchases over four different states and different gun stores so that the owner would not recognize him coming in and making bulk purchases of weapons and bulk purchasing of ammunition.

LEMON: So we've got Nevada, we've got Utah, Vermont, Texas -- right, Art, what are the states that we have?

RODERICK: California, Texas, Utah and Nevada.

LEMON: Any significance to those states?

GAGLIANO: I believe that those states and I've got to check on California, but I don't -- I believe that they do not require a permit. Now, the shooter had no criminal history. He had no record of any type of medical issues in regards to his mental stability, so there was nothing to preclude him from buying the weapons.

And out here, out west there's a lot of people that are gun enthusiasts, sports men and they tend to accrue a lot of weapons, but that significant amount, Don, 33 out of the 47 that have been discovered were purchased in less than a one-year period, it's baffling to me how we don't have a system to track that. LEMON: Not for speculation, but I mean, we just don't really know

what the triggering event could have.


LEMON: In these situations is there something that usually triggers people, they have a grievance with someone, what is it?

GAGLIANO: Right. It could be a grievance against a person, it could have be a grievance against the group. It could have been a bad night at the craps table. We don't know what that was, but generally speaking, there's a grievance and then there's some type of triggering event.

Was that triggering event back in October and then the painstaking way that he -- you know, method -- you know, just with perfect methodology planned this thing on out. He set up a military style ambush.


GAGLIANO: And we are going to get more leads on that. Because I know with the FBI talking to the girlfriend who for all intents and purposes we think is cooperative right now. This is going to lead us to some different routes to get to motive.

LEMON: There is so much to get to and I have to -- it is believed that he tried to do this or may have been testing it.


LEMON: Because there was another concert the week before.


LEMON: He possibly couldn't get this room. Was that a dry run or did he want to possibly do harm then.

SWECKER: He's obviously had this in scope. For nine months, he's been stockpiling weapons for almost nine months since October 2016, apparently. Who knows? He may have scout out or done surveillance on other places. He may have stayed at this hotel in the past. He obviously watched this concert for two days and observed the crowd movements and made sure that he understood the field of fire and all of that. So who knows when he really hatched the plan?

LEMON: Let's talk about the other stuff they found, Art here. Police found 50 pounds of explosives.


LEMON: Sixteen hundred rounds of ammunition in his car, including 10 one pound containers of Tannerite and two 20 pound containers of Tannerite. Explain why you say that is extremely scary.

RODERICK: Because that sounds to me like a vehicle born explosive device like an IED in a vehicle. And you know, if that Tannerite explosives will set off the ammonium sulfate that's also in there that would have been a huge explosive. He's got 50 pounds of that stuff in there. And it can be set off with a shot from a firearm.

So that is scary. What was he planning to do with it? You just don't buy that stuff, leave it in your vehicle without planning to do something with it.

LEMON: Yes. The sheriff tonight said it is believed that he planned to survive this. Be the explosives telling that.


LEMON: What is telling the sheriff that he planned to survive?

GAGLIANO: That surprised me because I assumed that this was going to be suicide or suicide by cop, which is the standard procedure for most of these -- most of these shooters now. That's what -- they plan to die for their cause, whatever that cause is.

I tried to look at it and say what were the possible routes, like how could he have survived this? He couldn't have survived taking a parachute. It's 320 feet from that floor. A safety parachute, a back- up parachute. You're not going to -- it's got to be above 500 feet. Maybe it was a disguise. Maybe the Tannerite that Art spoke to, maybe that was going to be a diversion, he was going to set those up, shoot them, explode cause some confusion or some chaos. Those were the only things that I could think of.

LEMON: The sheriff also said you have to make the assumption that he had some help at this point, which is interesting. But maybe working all of this on his own. Again, that's according to the sheriff. Do you think that he had help planning this out?

SWECKER: I mean, in the past we've seen people be straw buyers for weapons, and that sort of thing, but it appears he bought these weapons in his own name. So I'm not sure what kind of help he would need other than helping him understand the weapons and fire the weapons and install the equipment on the weapon and the very unusual bump action on it. And even actually taking them out to the range and practicing with them.

RODERICK: Right. And the interesting thing too he said is that some of the weapons were jammed.


RODERICK: And that type of bump stock would cause that in the weapons unless you've really trained a lot and got used to firing that type of weapon, it will jam.

LEMON: All right, everybody, I want you to stick around because we have got some amazing information. More of that stunning video that we just received here at CNN. Much, much more on the investigation here in Las Vegas, what the gunman's girlfriend is saying and what we're learning tonight about his fiancee -- his finances and about his fiancee. [22:30:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[22:30:00] DON LEMON, CNN HOST: Back with our breaking news now, Las Vegas police say more than 100 investigators are feverishly working tonight to piece together clues to the worst mass shooting in modern American history.

I want to bring in now CNN's Kyung Lah. Kyung, you have been investigating this story, checking out some new leads, but the new thing, one of the new things that came in tonight is this video that we have just played here on CNN. I want to play some of it and then get your reaction to it.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get down. Go! Go! Go now! Run now!



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Go now, go now!


LEMON: So, Kyung, you can see it was chaos and then obviously the video gets worse after this, you can hear the gunshots there. But each one of these videos that we get, more frightening than the last.

KYUNG LAH, SENIOR U.S. CORRESPONDENT, CNN: This really gives you a sense of what it was like as they were just trying to escape, because we've talked to so many of these people who have dirt on their bodies as they're just running away from this terror that was coming from overhead.

[22:35:00] They didn't know what to do. The thing that I also find extraordinary about this, even though they're running, people are not pushing each other out of the way. That's the constant thing we've heard is some people are holding hands. Yes, they're trying to flee, but they're not necessarily running over each other. So that is something important to note as well.

LEMON: And also the new information that came from the press conference -- each press conference has become more stunning, that he planned an escape route. He planned to survive this.

LAH: That really caught me by surprise. It's extraordinary, because we've heard about these cameras, the cameras looking down the hallway, planning as the authorities come towards the hotel room that the sheriff said that's something that certainly was surprising to him.

But also the idea that he was going to somehow survive, that how was he going to get out of there?

LEMON: Right.

LAH: What was his escape route? That is extraordinary.

LEMON: At other places, other new information, he stayed at other places before the Mandalay Bay.

LAH: The weekend before. Why? It's a condominium building. He had through Airbnb rented a room somehow independent of the actual physical condominium building and then looked down on that crowd perhaps? Why?


LAH: And it's a totally different type of music venue. Was he planning a strategy for the next weekend? What was he doing in that room? And the sheriff said what we were going to do was try to look at any sort of video, try to figure that out and piece all this together.

LEMON: So more new information coming out about this deadly, deadly massacre here in Las Vegas. Kyung Lah is going to be back with us with more information.

Coming up in just a little bit, but when we come back, I'm going to speak with a U.S. congressman from Nevada and get her take on the state of the investigation of this massive tragedy on her home turf.


LEMON: Our breaking news tonight, new development in the investigation of the worst mass shooting in modern American history right here in Las Vegas.

We're learning that 50 pounds of explosives and 1,600 rounds of ammunition were found in the gunman's car. That as police say there is evidence that the Vegas shooter may have planned to survive his assault and escape.

Joining me now is Congresswoman Jacky Rosen, a Nevada democrat. Congresswoman, thank you for joining us. I can't imagine what the last couple of days have been for you. But I want to play this new video...


LEMON: ... that we have gotten here on CNN and then I want to get your reaction to it. Take a look.





UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Get down. Get down. Get down. Everybody, get down. Everybody, down.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get down right here. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Right here.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Get down. Get down.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Go! Go! Guys, keep going, please. Please.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Get down! Get down!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Please, I got you

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hey, guys, tourniquet. Bring it on.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You want me to take of this, you go there.


LEMON: Congresswoman, you can hear the rounds coming from that hotel. You can see and feel and hear the terror in those people. What's your reaction?

ROSEN: I mean, you don't even know what to say, it's horror. I can't even imagine being in that. And I could tell you this week I've been at the hospitals. I've been with the first responders. I've seen the victims and just the horror that they've seen and what they're internalizing is beyond anything I can comprehend. I can't imagine they're just penned in. They were just penned in.

LEMON: And what I notice is that people don't appear to be trampling each other or pushing each other out of the way with the professionalism of officers who are getting people to safety and telling them, don't walk, run. Get out of here.

ROSEN: Right. Well, I can tell you that here in Las Vegas we have an amazing police department, fire department, FBI, ATF, every first responder, our hospitals, Sunrise, UMC, two of our biggest hospitals, because we're a place with 43 million tourists.

LEMON: Right.

ROSEN: We have a giant New Year's Eve celebrations, all kinds of things. So we prepare for events, not of course like this.


LEMON: Crowd safety is your expertise.

ROSEN: Crowd safety is our expertise. So we have a fusion center. They've been preparing and practicing. Of course, you can never prepare for this kind of carnage, but they were all hands on deck and people knew what to do.

LEMON: As I understand you're trying to change -- you're working to change some of the gun laws.

ROSEN: Yes, yes.

LEMON: And specifically about those bump stocks, correct.

ROSEN: Yes. You know, I didn't know anything about them, but when I found out yesterday that we believe -- we found the bump stocks. I believe the sheriff says he thinks he modified the guns to use these bump stocks. For $100 you can buy this thing that modifies a trigger, that can take a semiautomatic weapon turning it into an automatic weapon shooting over 400 rounds a minute. Who needs to do that? It's only meant for killing. Four hundred rounds a minute we're not hunting with that.


ROSEN: And so, we're going to try to -- we've introduced legislation today to stop those sales.

LEMON: The discussion for people who are opposed to having that conversation is that it's not the right time. This isn't the time for that conversation and saying that it is a political conversation. Is it the right time? Is it political? Is it just common sense?

ROSEN: Well, I've said this over and over again. I challenge anyone who says that to come with me tomorrow to go to the vigil for the slain officer, to go with me this weekend to the funeral of a 20-year- old college student who lost their lives and tell their family members that it's not the right time. How do we honor those people? How do we honor those lives?

LEMON: The president visited today. Were you pleased with his visit?

ROSEN: You know what, he came, and he was so generous with his time. He went up visited people in the hospital, spoke to all the staff. They've been there nonstop since Sunday. So he was very generous in that.


ROSEN: I appreciate that he came and showed his heart. I hope going forward he continues to show that kind of leadership in leading this conversation about common sense gun safety.

[22:45:00] LEMON: I know that I spoke to some families and one family in particular said that they were glad that he was there. He and the first lady were actually...


LEMON: ... said it didn't feel like he was the president. Just felt like he was somebody coming to console them, which is great.

ROSEN: Yes. When you're in a hospital room with people that are injured, you're just another human being. You feel it.

LEMON: Thank you, congresswoman. All the best. We appreciate you coming on.

ROSEN: Thank you. It's been a pleasure.

LEMON: When we come back, Congressman John Lewis will join me. He had some very strong words today on the steps of the Capitol. I'm going to ask him if he thinks there is chance Congress will pass new gun control measures after this horrific massacre here in Las Vegas. We'll be right back.


LEMON: Here is our breaking news. Stunning new video of Sunday night's massacre in Las Vegas. The moment when it became too apparent to concertgoers that they were under attack and officers began to urging them to keep moving. I have to warn you it is disturbing video.





UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Get down. Get down. Get down. Everybody, get down. Everybody, down.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get down right here.



LEMON: I want to bring in now Congressman John Lewis. Congressman Lewis is a Georgia democrat. Congressman, thank you for coming on. Before I talk about what you said on the steps of the Capitol today, your reaction to this terrifying video.

JOHN LEWIS, (D) UNITED STATES REPRESENTATIVE: Well, just to see this video make me really, really sad that we're living in a country where our fellow citizen, where our human beings are being slaughtered in a major American city in the streets.

People just going out to enjoy themselves. It's not the thing that we should be seeing in America. My heart bleeds for the people of Las Vegas and bleed for people all over America. We're humans.

LEMON: Yes. And, you know, congressman, you spoke on the steps of the Capitol today. You're pushing for stricter gun control laws. Here is what you said and then we'll discuss.


LEWIS: How many more must die? A hundred? A thousand? Ten thousand? A million? What is your blood price? How many more must die?


LEMON: So you don't think this has anything to do with the Constitution anymore, do you?

LEWIS: No. I believe in the Second Amendment, but there are people who say we cannot change things, we cannot make guns safe for people. At the same time they don't even believe in the First Amendment. There are people who are saying that the time is not right.

Martin Luther King Jr. said on one occasion at the height of the Civil Rights Movement, the time is always right to do right. I don't understand how as elected officials we can be at home with ourselves when we live in a society where our fellow citizens have been mowed down by guns.

[22:49:58] It's not safe to go to school, to go to a church, a mosque, a temple, a synagogue, to go to a movie, go to a dance? What type of society are we living in?

Members of Congress as I said earlier today, were called to lead, to be a headlight and not a taillight. It's time for us to be brave, courageous, and do the right thing. Democrats and republicans must come together. The American people want us to fix the gun laws.

LEMON: Yes. Congressman, the president said when asked about this he asked whether the question was if we have a gun violence problem and he said, we're not going to talk about that today. We won't talk about that. What do you think of that? Because you said it's always appropriate, it's the time now to have that conversation.

LEWIS: We need to talk now. Here and now. Not tomorrow, not next week, but sometime later. But I think it's going to take the American people rising up in a peaceful, orderly, non-violent fashion to demand that the Congress act and send a piece of legislation to the desk of the president to sign into law.

LEMON: Congressman, I know you and I can judge your mood sometimes. And now you are -- this hit you really hard.

LEWIS: It's very painful. I remember some few short years ago when I was campaigning for Robert Kennedy, almost 50 years ago, April the 4th, 1968. When we heard that Martin Luther King, Jr. had been assassinated.

Two months later, I was in Los Angeles in the hotel room of Robert Kennedy. I've spoken to him 15 minutes earlier, he went down to make his victory speech, and we watched on television that he was shot, murdered by a man with a handgun.

Martin Luther King was murdered by a man with a rifle. We lost the brightest, smartest, young men and women. I saw people shot and murdered in Alabama and in Mississippi by guns. There's too many.

People that have mental problem shouldn't be able to buy out and buy a gun. People that go out beating up other people, engage in unbelievable violence shouldn't be able to buy guns. I don't understand. Why do we need all these guns in our cities? We don't have bears and lions, tigers running through our town and cities. Why?

LEMON: Yes. Congressman, that's a question I think that most Americans are asking themselves this evening and we appreciate you coming on CNN and voicing your concerns and telling us what you are planning to do in Congress. Thank you so much.

LEWIS: Well, thank you very much, Don.

LEMON: When we come back, we're going to continue to talk about this. Also more of that video, that unbelievable video that just came in to CNN. And also in other breaking news, new information on the Russia investigation. Congressman Swalwell will join us in moments.


LEMON: We've got much more tonight on new developments in the investigation of the massacre right here in Las Vegas, and we also have news on the Russia investigation.

The chairman of the Senate intelligence committee saying his panel has a lot more work to do to determine if there was possible collusion between the Russian government and the Trump campaign in the election.

Let's discuss now with Congressman Eric Swalwell, a California democrat who is a member of the House intelligence committee. Congressman, we thank you so much for joining us this evening, especially a very -- I'm sure it's weighing heavy open your heart what's happening in Las Vegas but there's other news to cover as well.

Your Senate colleagues concluded today as so many others have that the findings of the Intel community are true, that Russians interfered in the election and they are continuing active measures in the United States. Is enough being done to shut them down?

ERIC SWALWELL, (D) UNITED STATES REPRESENTATIVE: Good evening, Don, and you're right. My heartaches and hands pray for the victims there in Las Vegas.

And with respect to the hearing or the press conference today, it's pretty clear from the evidence I've reviewed that our democracy has been attacked by a Russian virus. It's been infected and we must attack it as aggressively as it is attacking us.

We are more vulnerable, Don, today than we were back in 2016, simply because our commander in chief won't even acknowledge what the Russians have done. And we have seen disunity in at least the House investigation. I was heartened to see what the Senate produced today. That's what both investigations should look like and unity is actually the best antidote to what the Russians are doing.

LEMON: We learned that Russia bought 3,000 Facebook ads that were seen by an estimated 10 million people. CNN is reporting exclusively that those ads targeted Wisconsin and Michigan, two very tightly contested states. Do you think this is just the tip of the iceberg?

SWALWELL: I do, Don. There's a lot of things that I would like to see in addition to these ads. First, I think the American people should see them. The Russians intended for the American people to see them, Facebook took them down, there's no reason that Russia should be shielded.

But I would also like to compare the ads that were put up and do a pixel analysis and see if other non-Russians also posted those ads. Because Russians we know use cutouts and it would be very interesting to see if they were funding the same ads through other funding streams. But I also believe we need to look at Google ads, and as well as Twitter, the YouTube videos that were posted.

LEMON: Have you seen those ads?


SWALWELL: I've seen the ads.

LEMON: Because General Burke today said -- you have seen them? OK.


LEMON: And so, what do you think? In your conclusion, do you think -- because they supposedly didn't help one candidate or the other? What did you make of the ads and why do you want Americans to see them?

SWALWELL: I disagree with that, Don. There was a clear preference for Donald Trump and a clear disdain for Hillary Clinton. And, again, I would like the American people to see them because I think if Americans are aware as to what Russia was trying to do going into the next election, being more mindful, we won't be so vulnerable to a foreign adversary trying to interfere in our elections again.

LEMON: Congressman Eric Swalwell, thank you for joining us here. I'm sure you would like to have spoken out about Las Vegas but next time we'll get you on the new information as well.


SWALWELL: My pleasure, Don.

LEMON: Thank you so much. We appreciate it.

[23:00:01] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is CNN breaking news.

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