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Someone Will Be Arrested As Part Of The Special Counsel Investigation Led By Bob Mueller; President Trump Is Vowing To Release All The Files On President JFK's Assassination; Silicon Valley Under Scrutiny Between Sexual Harassment Scandals, Online Hate Speech, Russian Ads Targeting The Election. Aired 7-8p ET
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[19:00:14] ANA CABRERA, CNN HOST: You are live in the CNN NEWSROOM. Thank you for being here. I'm Ana Cabrera in New York.
First tonight, the stark new reality facing the White House. News that someone will be arrested as part of the special counsel investigation led by Bob Mueller.
As reported first here on CNN, a federal grand jury in Washington has formally approved charges in the investigation. And while we still don't know who is being indicted, sources tell us there's already a plan in place to take anyone charged into custody as early as Monday.
Now, the White House response tonight, no comment. And so far President Trump who has called the investigation a hoax and a witch- hunt hasn't said anything either.
We have a team of analysts standing by. Let's begin with someone who helped break this story, CNN crime and justice reporter, Shimon Prokupecz.
Shimon, this indictment is sealed. So we don't know who has been charged. But do we know if it's more than one person?
SHIMON PROKUPECZ, CNN CRIME AND JUSTICE PRODUCER: That's exactly right, Ana. We don't know who was charged. We have had some indication that there could potentially be more than one person that was charged or that charges were filed against more than one person. But we don't have any confirmation on that.
We have reached out to various lawyers who are associated, whoever representing clients who are being investigated. Some have not gotten back to us. And some have said that they haven't receive any phone calls to have their client surrender.
So you are right, we don't know that much. And that is because this was a sealed indictment. These documents were filed with a court here in Washington, D.C. notifying the court that there are these charges. But a judge has sealed them. And we are hoping at the earliest, that Monday morning, some of the charges will be revealed when a judge unseals the records.
CABRERA: All right, Shimon Prokupecz, thank you. I want to bring in our panel now. CNN legal analyst Michael Zeldin.
He is a former federal prosecutor who served as special assistant to Robert Mueller at the justice department. Also with us CNN Presidential historian Douglas Brinkley. And joining us by phone CNN chief legal analyst and former federal prosecutor Jeffrey Toobin.
So Jeffrey, I will go to you first because when this first broke last night you said we can now expect this investigation to go well into 2018. Why do you think that?
JEFFREY TOOBIN, CNN SENIOR LEGAL ANALYST (on the phone): Because white collar cases take a long time. They take a long time to get to trial. There are a lot of motion defenses. And unless there is a guilty plea, it would be extremely unlikely that a case brought by Robert Mueller would go to trial until the early part of 2018 and perhaps even the middle part of the 2018. So any hope of a quick closure for the Mueller investigation is certainly dashed with the news that his office indicted someone regardless of who the person is and regardless of what the charges are.
Michael, I know you have helped prosecute cases with Mueller. You're familiar with how he operates. What can we expect to learn from these indictments? How much detail will there be?
MICHAEL ZELDIN, SERVED AS ROBERT MUELLER'S SPECIAL ASSISTANT AT DOJ: Well, there will be an indictment which will speak to the criminal activity that Mueller feels he can prove. And that will give us some sort of insight into where he may be going. So if he has brought charges against let's say hypothetically Manafort and his business partner who are private business dealings, then we will know he believes that's within his mandate and he may therefore look at Cohen or Flynn or Flynn's son to bring similar sort of charges. If he has brought charges against somebody related to the collusion/conspiracy charges then everyone whose name has appeared in the ego system of this investigation is on noticed that they are potentially a subject or target of Mueller's inquiry.
CABRERA: Come Monday can we expect Mueller to make a public statement? Are we going to also see somebody taken to jail in handcuffs?
ZELDIN: Well, Mueller has a press secretary and he may make a statement about the nature of the charges. Bob does not want to seek press. And so I don't think they will have a lengthy press conference if there's one at all.
And then the question about surrender and arrest is an interesting one. Some prosecutors like Rudy Guiliani liked to announce to press he was going to arrest somebody and there would be cameras there. And the person would be handcuffed even if it was a white collar person who had no likelihood of fleeing because he wanted to make that public statement that they call it a (INAUDIBLE) or perpetrator. He walked to the car in handcuffs. Others are a little bit more understated and they allow people to turn themselves in quietly, be arrested and present them to the judge for reading of charges and then ultimately for a plea, and that represents likely a trial in 2018, likely a plea agreement that resolves the whole matter.
[19:05:09] CABRERA: Does Mueller have an MO?
DOUGLAS BRINKLEY, PRESIDENTIAL HISTORIAN: Yes, I think the question we're waiting to see here is this the beginning of the end of the Trump presidency? We don't know where this is going to lead to. But certainly the very fact that, you know, the President of the United States in your campaign staff, your business associates are all under investigation, and somebody is going to get the notice or a couple of people whether it's Manafort or Flynn on Monday.
This will go on for a good part of 2018. It's like Watergate in the sense that it's going to be week after week after week of new stories coming out. And I don't think anybody can say that Mueller hasn't done his investigation well because there's no leaks this weekend. I thought by tonight, Ana, we would have a name or two in a leaky Washington, but things have been kept quiet. And we are all going to have to wait and see on Monday.
CABRERA: And Douglas, given this is not something unprecedented in terms of a special investigation counsel, other administrations have faced this sort a thing in the past. But where we are at now with this grand jury indictment, what does that tell you? How worried should the White House be?
BRINKLEY: I think extremely worried. You know, look, it's already been said but I think the question is are they looking at financial crimes, it's about Paul Manafort business dealings with Russia, does this touch the President? I mentioned Nixon before. But Nixon had tapes in the White House which clearly indicted him and made him leave the White House.
This may be about financial shenanigans and like Warren Harding in the Truman gang back in teapot film era. And then there are other special investigations that don't become your white waters, you know, don't go all that far. It is going to depend on just how deep this goes.
But remember Mueller has Donald Trump's tax records, something nobody else has really been able to have access to. And looking at his past business dealings in Russia and also just the way he's operated over the decades. That could be a very slippery slope for this President.
CABRERA: And just to clarify through, I think that we don't know for sure if Mueller does have the tax records from President Trump. That was one of the questions.
I want to get Jeffrey back in the conversation real fast. Hold your thought, Michael. But I will definitely come back to you.
But Jeffrey, the President has publicly said that, you know, he fired former FBI and director James Comey with the Russia investigation in mind. He has already used his pardon power when he pardoned Sheriff Joe Arpaio. What's stopping the President from firing Mueller or pardoning whoever is indicted? TOOBIN: Well, those are two separate questions. There is certainly
nothing stopping him from pardoning anyone who is indicted. I think even Republicans might abandon him if he were to do that right off the bat. I haven't heard any suggestions that he is going to do that. Obviously, we don't know who was indicted.
As for firing Mueller, I mean that is something that's been raised as a possibility. But it is not a simple process. What the President would have to do was direct his subordinates at the department of justice to fire Mueller. He couldn't fire Mueller directly. He would have to direct Rod Rosenstein, the deputy attorney general who because attorney general Sessions who has recused himself is in charge of the investigation. He would have to direct Rosenstein to fire him. Rosenstein would then have to decide whether to follow that order or resign. And then Rosenstein's subordinates, if Rosenstein resigned would have to decide whether they wanted to follow him.
All of this would raise certainly the specter of the Saturday night massacre in 1973 where several justice department officials resigned rather than agree to fire Archibald Cox, the Watergate special prosecutor.
So, you know, I think you are correct that the pardon power exists. You are correct that the possibility of firing Mueller exists. But the political cost, both of those could quite likely be enormous for President Trump if he tried either route. And I think at the moment at least both of those seem unlikely.
CABRERA: And right now, we don't know what the President is going to do, what he is planning to do. We haven't heard from the President about this indictment at all, Jeffrey. He hasn't even tweeted about it. Isn't this a sign, do you think, that he is finally listening to his legal team and staying quiet and taking this latest development extremely seriously?
TOOBIN: Well, he has been talking about Mueller less in recent weeks, which does seems to me he has taken the advice to lay low on the subject. However, I do think we are all covering this news intensely as we should, but we don't know the key facts. We don't know who was indicted. We don't know for what. So I think it would be hard even for President Trump to react to nudes that is at the moment still very, very incomplete.
[19:10:22] CABRERA: Michael, what's the strategy behind filling an indictment and then we have a couple of days possibly longer until there's actually an arrest.
ZELDIN: So they seal indictments for a number of reasons. One reason might be because they want to make sure they know the whereabouts of the person that who is going to be arrested. So if he is out of town, out of the country, they keep it sealed until they have the person in their sights, if you will, so that an arrest could be made. Similarly, could be that a person is deemed to be a flight risk and they don't want to give the person any heads up so that they could flee. Typically, those are the reasons they seal it so they can get ready
for the arrest and the presentation of the individual at court. In this case it's hard to imagine that somebody is going to flee the country or is not likely to be found. But that's typically what happens in these cases. So there probably is some thought they want to make sure they know where the person is they can bring him in when their ready to bring him in, which may be Monday.
CABRERA: Doug, John Dean, the White House counsel in the Nixon years, he said yesterday as the story broke, the best thing the Trump team could do is learn from their mistakes, not overreact. What do you see are the lessons or the takeaways that should be learned, again, from the whole Nixon experience?
BRINKLEY: Well, don't do what Jeffrey Toobin was pointing to a Saturday night massacre.
BRINKLEY: Don't start doing the massive cover up. Don't fire Mueller. Let the truth go forward. If you really have nothing that you are guilty of, believe in the system of the United States. I mean, you asked me, Ana, how close is this at the White House, I mean, Jared Kushner is under deep suspicion this evening by people. Didn't get much closer to the White House than this. It will just consume everything Donald Trump tries to do in the coming months. Forget about tax reform bill and the like. I mean this is just going to ricochet all over Washington on Monday if it turns out to be some of these major players are indeed the ones with arrest warrants.
CABRERA: Really quick, Michael, if it's not a major player, Michael, does that tell you anything about whether Mueller has more firepower that he just hasn't either gotten to yet or is withholding?
ZELDIN: So lots of prosecutors like to start with smaller fish and move slowly up the food chain to the more substantial targets. And so, if you see that this is just a second tier player, it may be that's the strategy, just move up, try to get that person if they have information that might lead to cooperation agreement to cooperate. Flip the person as they say in the vernacular of law enforcement. So it may be that. I wanted to add one quick thing.
ZELDIN: Which is the lesson John Dean also should teach us is don't lie under oath. And there's a lot of people here who still have to come into Mueller's grand jury or be deposed. And if they lie under oath irrespective of whether they did anything wrong at the outset, that lie will often get them into much bigger trouble and much more easily proven trouble than the underlying conduct itself.
CABRERA: We saw that in the Clinton administration as well.
Michael Zeldin, Douglas Brinkley and Jeffrey Toobin, thank you all.
Coming up Oswald, Cuban agents, and the KGB. Intriguing new details about the JFK assassination thanks to the newly released documents. We will talk to the man who did the authorized meeting with the KGB about Kennedy's killer. That's next.
[19:18:17] CABRERA: President Trump is vowing to release all the files on President JFK's assassination after this week's incomplete document dump. The President tweeting this. After strict consultation with General Kelly, the CIA and other agencies, I will be releasing all JFK files other than the names and addresses of the name mentioned person who is still living. I'm doing this for reasons of full disclosure, transparency and in order to put any and all conspiracy theories to rest. President Trump made a last minute decision earlier this week to withhold thousands of potentially sensitive documents, at least for now.
CNN's Brian Todd reports.
BRIAN TODD, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Tantalizing new details in the newly released Kennedy assassination files. A CIA document reveals Lee Harvey Oswald spoke in broken Russian to a KGB agent in Mexico City less than two months before the assassination. But it may have been only to get help for the passport or visa.
Another JFK file on Oswald proficiency with a rifle. It details a conversation between two Cuban intelligence officers in 1967. One says quote "Oswald must have been a good shot. The other agent named Abrew (ph) replied oh, he was quite good. Asked how he knew this, Abrew (ph) replies, oh, I knew him.
ERIC O'NEIL, FORMER COUNTERINTELLIGENCE OFFICER: The conspiratorial angle would be, hey, the Cubans were behind Oswald, you know, assassinating a President. But it's much more likely that it is something more simple. It's someone boasting to another person. I knew him four years ago. This is four years after the assassination.
TODD: It leaves us wanting more and fuels criticism of the intelligence agencies. Analysts say some agencies are notorious for over-classifying.
[19:20:00] LARRY SABATO, DIRECTOR, CENTER FOR POLITICS, UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA: Often you will find in a research file newspaper clippings that have already been published marked secret. Now, how could newspaper clippings that have already been published be a state secret? But it's just easier for government agencies to do that. Then they don't have to respond under the law to a lot of requests that they get.
TODD: But veteran intelligence operatives say there are good reasons why some of the JFK files should never be released.
O'NEIL: Some of the things in there might be assets overseas that are feeding their intelligence engine.
TODD: Eric O'Neil was a former FBI counterintelligence officer who helped capture mole Robert Handsome.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Was he the one who acted to another agents' hard drive?
O'NEIL: O'Neil was played by Ryan Felipe in the spy-thriller "Breach." He says even with the case as all of us, the Kennedy assassination, valuable informants could be compromised.
O'NEIL: There can be assets who are still alive. There are sources that were put in place back then that are still being used. There could be sources that we began recruiting back then that are finally materialized. There could also be the family of assets who are no longer useful but could be put in danger if this information comes out.
TODD: Eric O'Neil acknowledges that not releasing some intelligence documents on the Kennedy assassination, even if it's for good reason to protect valuable sources might provide fodder for conspiracy theorists. In fact some of the documents that are were released might already be doing that like this one, a deposition, a former CIA director Richard Helms. He has asked if he has got any information which might indicate that Oswald might have been a CIA agent. The document cuts off before Helms answers.
Brian Todd, CNN, Washington.
CABRERA: Thank you, Brian Todd.
Let's talk it over with Bob Baer, former CIA operative and Farris Rookstool III, a former FBI agent. He was part of the only authorized FBI meeting with Russia's KGB spy agency related to Lee Harvey Oswald case.
So Farris, I want to start with you. You say Oswald was not an FBI informant and released documents prove that, right?
FARRIS ROOKSTOOL III, FORMER FBI AGENT: That's correct. The bureau conducted from FBI headquarters a nationwide 56 field division teletype that came out in these documents that shows that they canvassed every agent and special agent in charge in the field to try to determine whether or not Lee Harvey Oswald was ever utilized as a potential criminal informant or a bureau informant, and it came back with negative results.
CABRERA: Now, your meeting with KGB regarding Oswald, what valuable information did you gain?
ROOKSTOOL: What I came to the conclusion was in dealing with the KGB, Oswald went to the KGB on two occasions. He of course made the telephone calls, but one of the things that was a consistent theme was is that when the KGB encountered Oswald, they found him to be very unstable, irrational, very demanding and almost to the point of desperation. In fact when I spoke with the colonel (INAUDIBLE), what had happened was Oswald had initially gone to the KGB or to the Soviet Union, you know, previously, two years previous before. They had an expensive file on Oswald. So when he shows up in Mexico City at the Mexican embassy, they already knew who Oswald was back at headquarters, but the agents in the field did not. So he goes there and encounters a KGB agent posing as a counselor named (INAUDIBLE). (INAUDIBLE) was late for lunch, so he passed him onto Oleg (INAUDIBLE). But (INAUDIBLE) thought Oswald was completely just out of touch. He says, no, you have to go through the process, a four- month process to get your visa in order. And that in turn frustrated Oswald who lied to the Cubans and said everything was good to go. That he had gotten everything approved. The only problem was the Cubans double-checked with the Russians and found it was a smoke screen. He indeed did not get approved.
CABRERA: My goodness.
ROOKSTOOL: When Oswald went back a second time, this time the person he ends up encountering is actually Cosikav's boss, an agent by the name of (INAUDIBLE). And (INAUDIBLE) first encounters Oswald, brings him in to the conference room. He sits him down now with (INAUDIBLE) and this time Oswald brandishes a pistol, the same pistol that he is later accused of officer JD Tippet with in Dallas. And they took the pistol away from him and they said, wait a minute, you know, calm down. But at this point his hands are shaking, he is crying. He is demanding that the FBI's following him, they're on his tail. And in fact he really, really needs them to speed up the process of getting this inner transit visa back to Russia.
[19:25:03] CABRERA: What a story. I mean, that's sounds as a lot about Oswald and the inside information that you have. What a web of connections there.
Bob, I want to get back to these documents and what we did or didn't learn because there is still so many questions. You think the big take away is people that believe the U.S. government is way too secretive actually turned out to be right?
BOB BAER, CNN INTELLIGENCE AND SECURITY ANALYST: Well, I think clearly they are. As Farris and I have talked about, when Oswald calls the Russian embassy and talks to Cosikav who is well-known in CIA and has a cryptic conversation and broke in Russia, the big question is why didn't the CIA then tell the FBI, then tell the agent handling Oswald in Dallas? Had that agent known about that meeting, known about Mexico City, he would have clearly been more alert when Kennedy shows up.
But the story doesn't end with the Russians. The Russians I agree with, Farris, thought he was nuts. But what they did is essentially hand him over to the Cubans. Oswald goes to the Cuban consulate, starts raving about not getting a visa and yells out according to FBI, a very good source, I'm going to kill JFK. You would think that would be the end of the but there's --
CABRERA: Red flag, right? Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.
BAER: Red flag. And the worst is later Oswald goes to a party where there's a Cuban intelligence officer. Now did they meet later on? But it was very suspicious and the state department came up with the reporting wondering about the Cubans. And now we have this intercept of two Cuban intelligence officers saying that Oswald was a good shot. When he took his first shot against an American politician it was General Walker. He missed him, but then disappears in Louisiana in the bayou training with Cuban dissidents, the best we can tell and did he improve his shootings. So by the time he got to Dealy Plaza, he was able to kill the President of the United States. And that is certainly a suspicion of investigators.
CABRERA: You guys (INAUDIBLE). I learned a lot to this conversation. More questions to be answer. Wish we have more time.
Bob and Farris, thank you both for being here.
BAER: Thank you.
ROOKSTOOL: Thank you, Ana.
CABRERA: Coming up, as President Trump vows to end the opioid epidemic, an intimate look of the people he is promising to save.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I didn't grow up thinking I was going to be a heroin addict like this isn't exactly what I want to be.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What are your hopes and dreams?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: To get sober. To have a family. At one point I thought I was going to and I lost the love of my life. When I woke up he was dead.
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[19:32:17] TRUMP: I learned myself. I had a brother, Fred, great guy, best looking guy, best personality, much better than mine. But he had a problem. He had a problem with alcohol. And he would tell me don't drink. Don't drink. He was substantially older and I listened to him and I respected. But he would constantly tell me don't drink. He would also add don't smoke. But he would say it over and over and over again. And to this day I have never had a drink.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
CABRERA: President Trump getting personal this week in a speech declaring America's opioid crisis, a nation would public health emergency. Now, the issue of addiction is when you can find in any city or any town.
Tonight, we want to show you its grip near Boston. And we want to warn you this may be tough to watch, but we think it's important to show you how this opioid epidemic is unfolding right here in the U.S. Here's Gary Tuchman.
GARY TUCHMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): To most people this is a neighborhood south of downtown Boston. To others it's a living hell.
BILLY, OPIOID ADDICT: I'm a junky. I've been shooting heroin for 16 years. I'm homeless. I live on the sidewalk. And this is my life.
MEGAN, OPIOID ADDICT: You know I didn't grow up thinking I was going to be a heroin addict. This isn't exactly what I wanted to be.
TUCHMAN: What are your hopes and dreams?
MEGAN: To get sober. To have a family. At one point that I was going to and I lost the love of my life. We both overdosed and when I woke up he was dead.
TUCHMAN: Billy is 31 years old. He has a 5-year-old son. He want to be a tattoo artist someday. But even while we talked, he was looking for a vain.
It's impossible for you to stop shooting the heroin while we talk? That's what I'm wondering your feel such a strong urge you can't stop while we talk?
BILLY: Yes, yes. There's nothing that would stop me and that's how bad it gets.
TUCHMAN: Megan also lives on the streets on the sidewalks. You are about to reach your 30th birthday. And how long have you been addicted to heroin?
MEGAN: Since 19.
TUCHMAN: How did you start the first time?
MEGAN: It was pills, and then pills became expensive, hard to get. And heroin is just extremely easy to get and a lot cheaper.
TUCHMAN: Like Megan the gateway to heroin for Billy was also pain pills. He was 13 years old when he started.
BILLY: I was already using prescription pills. I like the way that felt. I found that heroin was cheaper than pills. And it was more intense. So I began sniffing heroin. And then I found out shooting it was the next step from there. And I would save money. And the first time I shot it I fell in love with it. The only way I can explain it is I thank God.
[19:35:26] TUCHMAN: Billy and Megan are joined in their opioid devotion with scores of other people who gather on the street. It happens to be near a hospital, methadone clinics and shelters, people who want to help. Forty miles up the road in a small city of Boston, Massachusetts,
police will not arrest if you come to the police station with opioid looking for help. A strategy of help not handcuffs started here and spread throughout the country. But after a much publicized and encouraging start, the police chief here is facing a stark reality. Things are not getting better.
CHIEF JOHN MCCARTHY, GLOUCESTER POLICE DEPARTMENT: We have seen an increase in fentanyl. Fentanyl is a drug that is 50 to 100 times stronger than heroin.
TUCHMAN: Like heroin fentanyl is an opioid. Even a tiny dose of it can be lethal. Craig uses fentanyl. Like everyone we met on the street, he wants to stop but says he can't.
CRAIG, OPIOID ADDICT: I'm addicted to opiates.
TUCHMAN: So what do you do here in the street? What kind of opiates?
CRAIG: Well, the thing is all the opiates right now is fentanyl, so everybody is dying.
TUCHMAN: It's about to start pouring here in Boston. These people who can't live without their pills and their needles will be sleeping in dirt that will turn into mud.
Are you afraid you are going to die from this?
BILLY: I know I'm going to die from this.
TUCHMAN: Are you afraid you're going to die from this?
MEGAN: Not really afraid. And honestly sometimes it does just seem easier.
CABRERA: Wow, heart goes out to those people.
Coming up, divided we cope. CNN's Laurie Segall explores politics, power and harassment in Silicon Valley.
[19:41:27] CABRERA: New tonight a first baseman for the Houston Astros has been suspended for the five games after making a racist gesture to a Japanese pitcher during the World Series. Yuli Gurriel had just hit a home run off Yu Darvish when he was caught by cameras making a gesture in the dugout. He later apologized calling Darvish quite "a pitcher that I admire, respect." And Darvish said after it happened, no one is perfect. He wants to move forward and not focus on anger.
Tonight Silicon Valley under scrutiny between sexual harassment scandals, online hate speech, Russian ads targeting the election. One of the most influential places on the planet could be at a breaking point.
CNN's Laurie Segall explores in issue in a CNN special for her "MOSTLY HUMAN" series. Here's a sneak peek at divided we quote.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There is a principle that (INAUDIBLE)
LAURIE SEGALL, CNN SENIOR TECH CORRESPONDENT: Tech companies with power and control over what we see.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All speech has controversial reasons that's effect, and this shouldn't be controlled.
SEGALL: And culture war bubbling under the surface.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They had a room in the office that were called the (INAUDIBLE).
SEGALL: Secret identities.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: People want to like out people who are center right as if it's like a sport.
SEGALL: And lies.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was completely black balled in the community.
SEGALL: Further on the margin, the rise of alternative tech platform.
This is so offensive.
Online communities congregating around something called the (INAUDIBLE).
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think in many ways we have become our advertised. We have become off-line with people we are online.
SEGALL: It's the very same technology designed to give everyone a voice, dividing us further?
CABRERA: And now CNN tech correspondent Laurie Segall is joining us.
Laurie, so fascinating. That was a good teaser. You and your special, take a look at the culture war beneath the surface in the tech world. What can we expect to see?
SEGALL: You know, it's so interesting. When I started coming to tech, I remember sitting on a bench with one of the founders of twitter being like where the name twitter come from? Because those were the questions we are asking. Now, the question is how are you making sure Russia is not influencing the election and weaponizing your platform? And I think these are the questions of our time. And this is what we are looking at with divide we code.
The power and the influence of technology, the delicate lines between censorship and free speech and the growing role that these founders have in deciding who gets to stay on the platform and who goes. And we also look at issues like gender and diversity and how much this is playing out in a national scale. But so much of our future is coded in Silicon Valley. And they are really looking at some divisions of their own that kind of having to look in the mirror which is fascinating.
CABRERA: Yes, it is almost when you talk about like gender issues, diversity issues, those are issues we thoughts as a country we dealt with the move forward. It is kind of microcosm of what the country is doing. It sounds like in Silicon Valley.
Now, you talked to undercover conservatives who said they are afraid to express their ideology. What did you learn from them?
SEGALL: This is so fascinating because I have protected identities before in my reporting whether it was a sex worker or someone who committed a crime or hacker. But never who I have been asked to protect someone's identity because their conservative and afraid to speak out their political beliefs, for being conservative in Silicon Valley. Listen to what one entrepreneur told me. We have some sound.
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SEGALL: If you were to give us your name, how would that impact you in your career in Silicon Valley?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If I walked in to work with Make America great Again hat, there would be repercussion. People would take it as a personal front. I would expect to be out of the company within a week if not a month.
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[19:50:04] SEGALL: It's this idea it's that polarized in Silicon Valley. But we can look at the whole nation being polarized politically. And what this guy said to me which I thought so interesting was he said this matters, and we should - and everybody should be paying attention because the decisions happening behind closed doors in Silicon Valley are coating the future. And so, you want ideological diversity. But it is so sensitive that you can't raise your hand and say you voted for Donald Trump in Silicon Valley because it will impact your career.
So, you know, one woman said to me the new underdog is the conservative male in Silicon Valley. And I said, well, you know, I have been hearing a lot about women being underdog in Silicon alley as well.
CABRERA: And on that note, you mentioned kink rooms and that trailer that we saw. But you also take an intimate look at sexual harassment in Silicon Valley. SEGALL: Yes, we talked to underdogs and you look at other people feel
like they are under attack. And it is a lot of folks is the sexual harassment issue in Silicon Valley and those growing power and influence of tech. And a lot of women who don't feel safe in these environments. And I had a couple of different women speaking out who say they had to do womanly tasks. This is within the lawsuit. They had to do the dishes in a start-up. There was a room called the kink room where apparently bad behavior happened. And one woman talked to me about having to cleanup under wear the next day, you know.
I keep coming to back to the idea that this is 2017 and we are still having this conversation. All of these women want to know, what now? And you want Silicon Valley to be a place. It is a progressive place. People think about the future there. You want them to be in the future and not stuck in the past. So that is a conversation we also had as part of the series.
CABRERA: It's so interesting. And thank you for pulling back the curtain for all of us.
Laurie's full special airs next Saturday November 4th at 2:30 in the afternoon right here on CNN. And right now, though, you can catch up with past episodes of "MOSTLY HUMAN" exclusively on CNN Go.
Laurie Segall, thanks so much.
Coming up, Bill Weir has walked on the wild side takes him up close and personal with a family of bears. A preview of tonight's brand new episode of "the WONDER LIST" when we come back.
[19:51:31] CABRERA: On tonight's brand new episode of "the WONDER LIST," CNN's Bill Weir travels to America's last frontier, Alaska, where he has a too close for comfort encounter with the family of brown bears. Here is a preview.
BILL WEIR, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): This is not supposed to happen. We are supposed to hunker down and admire distant (INAUDIBLE) through long lenses. But these two mamas and their bunch of kids, they didn't get that memo. We can't run so huddled behind Eric and try to think so less in the idea that he gets paid to do this.
That was unbelievable. We were in the middle of a bear parade.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, we stood our ground. We made our focus in one spot, and they came to us.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I set my boundary and they violated that, so I had to let them know they had gone too far.
WEIR: What were you reaching for in case things went dicey back there? Show me.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We use a flair.
WEIR: Like Jurassic Park.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You open it up and pop it, and it makes quite a sound and a disturbance bears really hate.
WEIR: And it backs them off.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It backs them off.
CABRERA: CNN's Bill Weir is joining us now.
My goodness, you said what I was thinking. You are that close. What was going through your mind?
WEIR: Well, I was trying to trust the experience of our guide right there. It was a little dicey at one point. It was long time Alaskans lie so we are doing this.
WEIR: This guy who leads this exertion, their belief is that this is one of the rare place in Alaska where there are no guns. This is national park and the bears have become (INAUDIBLE) to humans in this way. They don't feel threaten by them.
While waiting for the salmon, and what has changed though, the Trump administration are hunting policy towards bears. But what we were really after is to follow the salmon run. Fifty million summon come coursing through, and they feast. Everyone feast. It is the worlds of the eagles and people.
CABRERA: And did you feast as well?
WEIR: We feasted. And it is a billion dollar industry up there, one of the last great true pure pristine salmon runs left on earth because we have dammed so many rivers everywhere else. But they have discovered what may be the richest golden copper mine in the dirt.
CABRERA: And there is the lab, right, because that would conflict with preserving the salmon.
WEIR: It could be a half a trillion dollar mine. The but to get it they would have to blow open with dynamite a hole three times bigger than the biggest mine on earth today.
CABRERA: Oh, my goodness.
WEIR: And mining in this way also creates this giant lakes of toxic wastes. Creates sulfuric acid. And fishermen and environmentalist and some of the natives as you see there are worried if any of that acid gets into this banning grounds, this beautiful, you know, sustainable salmon run could be threaten. And it is pitted (ph) Republican against Republican up in Alaska. And then recently reignited under Donald Trump's EPA which one of the first things they did was to ease the way for these mining companies.
[19:55:06] CABRERA: You mean, that was the investigative piece that Drew Griffin did just couple of weeks ago?
CABRERA: We aired it on our show.
WEIR: But this could combine with Drew's great reporting there, show what is at stake and get some really to the heart of this miraculous phenomenon. It is fish defy gravity. They swim upstream and inject all this ocean nutrients. And it is half of them (INAUDIBLE) in the world is consumed.
WEIR: Comes from (INAUDIBLE), Alaska. Yes.
CABRERA: Thanks to Bill Weir.
And tune in to a brand new episode of the "WONDER LIST" tonight at 9:00 eastern right here on CNN.
Now, that is going to do it for me. So glad you can be with us. I'm Anan Cabrera.
Up next, it the CNN Original Series of "60's." This is the assassination of President Kennedy. That is the episode coming up right now.
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