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Sources: Suspect Left Note In Truck Claiming He Carried Out Attack In The Name Of ISIS; Police Eight Killed In Act Of Terror In New York City; Dodgers, Astros Honor Victims With Moment Of Silence. Aired 2-3a ET
Aired November 1, 2017 - 02:00 ET
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JOHN VAUSE, ANCHOR, CNN: Hi everybody. Thanks for staying with us, I'm John Vause live in Los Angeles. It has just turned 11 o'clock here on the US West Coast.
ISHA SESAY, ANCHOR, CNN: And I'm Isha Sesay. We begin with a breaking news out of New York where a man drove a rental truck to a crowded bike path in lower Manhattan killing at least eight people and wounding about a dozen others.
He didn't stopped until he crashed into a school bus wrecking the truck. When he got out of the vehicle, he was carrying imitation weapons -- a pellet gun and a paintball gun -- and the police officer shot him in the abdomen.
VAUSE: Law enforcer sources believe he acted alone, but in a note found in the truck. He claimed to have carried out the attack in the name of ISIS. He's been identified as Sayfullo Saipov. Sources say he is 29. He came to the US in 2010 from Uzbekistan. Saipov has apparently been all over the country. This is a mug shot from an arrest last year in Missouri.
SESAY: The Rai Chang Company, Uber, says Saipov started driving for them in New Jersey six months ago. He listed his occupation as a truck driver on his 2013 marriage license in Ohio.
He also had two companies registered in that state and sources have also linked him to an address in Florida.
VAUSE: Meanwhile, on Tuesday, the attack's eyewitnesses say he yelled, "Allahu Akbar," an Arabic phrase which roughly translates to, "God is great." Right now, he is in police custody after surgery. Authorities have spoken to him, but it's not known what he said, if anything at all.
And here is how one eyewitness described the start of the deadly attack.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It happened out of nowhere. I was walking down the street. It was a normal day and just out of nowhere, I hear - see people - I see people running and screaming and then just multiple gunshots, one after another. (VIDEOCLIP ENDS)
SESAY: Well, the NYPD gave a go ahead for the city's Annual Halloween Parade despite the attack.
VAUSE: Mayor Bill de Blasio attended the parade earlier. He urged resilience in the face of terror.
BILL DE BLASIO, MAYOR OF NEW YORK CITY: We know that this action was intended to break our spirit, but we also know New Yorkers are strong, New Yorkers are resilient and our spirit will never be moved by an act of violence and act meant to intimidate us.
SESAY: Well, Brynn Gingras joins us now from New York. Brynn, good to have you with us. New York is proudly defined in the face of this terror attack, people are still going out, attending the Halloween Parade. Give us a sense of the mood there in the city and just amongst the crowd, the people you've been speaking to?
BRYNN GINGRAS, FIELD REPORTER, CNN: Yes, I think there is a - you know, a mix. A lot of people in disbelief that this actually happened. A lot of people coming to terms with the fact that this is the largest terror attack to happen in New York City since 9/11, but also there is this sense of resilience.
I mean, well, you mentioned this Halloween Parade. That's a big deal. I've covered New York City news for many, many years and that parade attracts thousands of people, so the fact that it didn't get cancelled for one just hours after this attack occurred and also that still thousands of people attended it in the spirit of this holiday, that's a big deal for this city.
So that does speak to how many New Yorkers are probably feeling about all of these, but I mean, certainly, there is a lot of sorrow as well, you know, eight people were killed along a bike path here in New York City.
I mean, the West Side Highway which really the block from where we are that stretches all along the west side of Manhattan and it's very busy whether it be people commuting to and from work, whether it be people just riding their bikes for pleasure or people running, exercising - I mean, it's a pretty busy bike path.
So it's a place that you know, we always hear about these barriers that police put up all around the city and those major areas like Time Square or St. Patrick's Cathedral, but you know, a bike path isn't exactly something that you could prevent something like this from happening and it will be interesting to see what police do in the wake of this.
So the fact that it happened there, it's alarming certainly to people here in the city. SESAY: Yes, no doubt. People just going about trying to have, you
know, a nice day out, you know, and it ends this way. Brynn Gingras, joining us there from New York. Brynn, appreciate it. Thank you.
VAUSE: Okay, let's to go our panel now. CNN's Lauren Clausman, contributor and retired FBI Special Agent Steve Moore and retired FBI Special Agent Maureen O'Connell and Bobby Chacon.
Okay, we were told Saipov's recent address was Paterson, New Jersey. He also rented the pickup truck from Home Depot in New Jersey. He drove to Manhattan at some point and just after 3 p.m. local time, that's when he turned this vehicle into a weapon. This is how one witness described the scene.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He was in the bike lane, clearly in the bike lane and I see when I got down, I see two gentlemen laying right there in the bike lane with tire marks across their body and you could tell that they're not here no more.
VAUSE: So Maureen, what is notable is that he decided to head south on the bike path. If he'd gone north, it was a lot busier. They were a lot more people there. He could have done it in the Halloween Parade that was held just a few hours ago. Obviously, a much more target and rich environment if you like.
In putting all of these together, does it indicate a lack of planning, maybe a lack of preparation, or maybe that he didn't - so he just made this decision fairly recently to carry out this attack.
MAUREEN O'CONNELL, RETIRED FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION SPECIAL AGENT: No, I think the attack was planned by him and I think that when he got the truck, he just could have possibly made the decision to attack at that point. His plan may have been to hit the Halloween Parade all along, but once you make that decision and you're invested in that decision, oftentimes, they sort of jump the gun.
SESAY: And Steve, I want to say with the issue of the truck because of course, we have seen trucks used as weapons before. We've seen it many times in Europe. First time we're seeing it here in the United States. Tell me what it says to you that he would choose this method to launch an attack.
STEVE MOORE RETIRED FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION SPECIAL AGENT: Well, it tells me that he is pretty orthodox. He is right down the line in the ISIS teachings in their magazines, in the publications they come out with. It's always the same thing. It goes back to the original publications a couple of years back. If you don't have a gun, you have a car. If you don't have a car, you have a knife.
So he was following right down the line and I think while he did plan this attack, I think his - what shows here is that he didn't have real good training. He wasn't one of these people in the camps who would know to check whether south or north was a better target environment.
VAUSE: A paintball gun and a pellet gun to boot.
MOORE: Yes. That's just - that will just get you shot faster.
VAUSE: Okay, well this like happened on what is believed the busiest bike path in America. This and more detail now from Tom Foreman about how and where the attack took place.
TOM FOREMAN, CORRESPONDENT, CNN: The path is paved and easily wide enough to accommodate a vehicle, so there would be very little to slow him down. And considering how many people you typically see out here on a nice afternoon, it's rather remarkable more were not injured and how far he made it.
In any event, down in this area, it's not clear if he was trying to pull off of this road or get back into traffic or escape into the city, but somehow, there was a big collision right here with a bus and when that happened, his vehicle was disabled.
He got out. He had this pellet gun. He had this paint gun according to police. He was waving them around, moving to the street and then a very short distance away, that's where he was shot by the police.
VAUSE: So Bobby, let's bring you in. He drove down this bike path for about a mile. Was it just good luck that those police officers were there and able to stop him and what do you make of this pellet gun and this paintball gun that he had?
ROBERT CHACON, RETIRED FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION SPECIAL AGENT: Well, it shows me a bit of lack of planning, I mean, at the execution phase. I think New York is a very well secured city and I think there are police officers - a lot around downtown area. I know that area well.
And so it doesn't surprise that there were police there because there are a lot of police on the streets there nowadays. New York has some 38,000 officers.
The pellet gun shows me that maybe he was acting alone and he was you know, a little disorganized. We saw the London Bridge attack where they crashed their vehicle and they got out and they had knives and they were running from restaurant to restaurant to do the maximum amount of damage until they were killed.
This guy got out of that vehicle. He didn't seem to know what to do. He was kind of wandering around back and forth, going back recovering his traces - retracing his steps. He didn't have a real good plan about what to do once he got out of that vehicle as opposed to say the London Bridge attackers, when they got out, they went on this violent knife attacks until they were stopped.
So it shows a little bit of a lack of planning on his part at the execution phase.
SESAY: And Maureen to bring you in, as we talk about planning and activing alone or you know, where was he getting his orders from? There was the note that you know about. There's a note written in English found in and around the vicinity of the truck in which he claimed he was doing this in the name of ISIS. Again, from what we see in terms of the pellet gun, the paint ball gun, the direction he took. Does this seem to you to be ISIS directed or ISIS inspired?
O'CONNELL: I would say definitely, ISIS-inspired and we will have - the jury is still out as to whether or not it was ISIS-directed. That accident with the bus may have been just that, an accident. He possibly could have had a totally different plan that didn't pan out for him.
But we're about two years from the Inspire magazine release that talked about this exact type of attack and we're right down the street from where 9/11 happened, so a lot of...
SESAY: You think that's a coincidence?
SESAY: Okay. I just wanted to know...
VAUSE: You think that was the open target? It was the side of...
O'CONNELL: No, I just think he is in that area. It's two years after the Inspire magazine came out talking about these identical types of attacks. So I think it's a proximity thing, but I always tend to believe that a lot of the decisions that they make when they are once immersed in this ideological mindset have meaning to them.
VAUSE: Okay, so clearly, it was inspired, it was directed by ISIS - that's part of the investigation right now and (KDA) telling that it is affected. This guy is originally from Uzbekistan. He came to the United States in 2010. Obviously, his history and his connection there will be a big focus for the investigation.
But there is a challenge here. Listen to CNN's Bob Baer who is a former CIA operative.
ROBERG BAER, INTELLIGENCE AND SECURITY ANALYST, CNN: So the Uzbek community in this country and in Uzbekistan, especially the fundamentalists are one of the most insular communities in the world. They are very hostile to the West.
I used to work there in the 1990s. It's a nightmare for an intelligence service. It's going to be a nightmare for the FBI to try to get to the bottom of this Uzbek community and that's just a fact.
(VIDEOCLIP ENDS) VAUSE: Steve, a nightmare for the FBI? It will be and how will they
deal with that?
MOORE: I have been kind of banging this drum for years now. I think that while we have the standard terrorist group in the Arab peninsula, I think we are really underestimating Uzbekistan, the Chechens. I mean, the Chechens did the Beslan School, killed hundreds of children.
There is a ruthlessness in their terrorists. I am not talking about their culture necessarily, but their terrorists are ruthless in the extreme and I agree with Bob. There is an insular nature to part of their - the extremist culture and for the Bureau to get in that is not going...
VAUSE: But how do they do that? How do they correct that?
MOORE: You keep trying.
SESAY: You keep knocking at the door.
MOORE: You keep knocking...
VAUSE: Have you ever realized these questions?
MOORE: I am saying that we have tried to get into different cultures with different amounts of success. It took us decades to get even into the mob, but we got there.
SESAY: So, Bobby, to come back to you on that point. Getting into the Uzbek community there in Uzbekistan, to Bob Baer's point, incredibly difficult, insular, close knit. Clearly, the same thing has to be done here in the United States, correct? They have to try and get into his circle as it was here in the US.
CHACON: In some way, we're already there. There were give, I think Uzbeki men that were arrested in Brooklyn in 2015, planning a terrorist attack. We know we worked with the authorities in Stockholm in April of this year. There was a very similar attack to the one today in which an Uzbeki man used a vehicle to attack and I think he killed five people in Stockholm.
So I think we've seen, I think we have a body of knowledge that we're building and it's tough to get in, but remember, these young men are leaving Uzbekistan because they are under a terrible dictatorship there that's really dictated how and when they can practice their religion.
So they're actually escaping Uzbekistan and the dictator that's there who actually was friendly to us between 2001 to 2005 when they allowed us to use air bases there for the war in the Afghanistan. So you know, it's a very fluid situation, but these young men are actually fleeing from Uzbekistan, fleeing from that dictator because he's not allowing them to practice their religion in the way they want to do it.
VAUSE: Okay, well, you want to chime in? MOORE: I agree with Bobby. They are fleeing, but the type of people
who are fleeing are sometimes the people who want to practice an extremist type of religion that they can't do here.
So Bobby is absolutely right. But there's also the problem of the type of religious activities they want to engage in here.
VAUSE: So, Maureen how do you deal with that?
O'CONNELL: Well, like any good investigation, it is going to take a multipronged approach and I agree with Bobby and Steve. This multipronged approach is going to take a look - have all kinds of different facets including all their social media, any type of recordings on the phones and all these things take a lot of time and a lot of effort and a lot of dedication with the resources to match.
VAUSE: Okay, I'll let you get to - with this attack as - there's the law enforcement angle, there's a political angle. There is the...
SESAY: The radicalization...
VAUSE: ... radicalization, all of which we will get to, but well, Steve and Maureen and also Bobby there in Palm Springs.
SESAY: Well, next on CNN Newsroom, President Trump is condemning the New York City terror attack and calling the suspect a very sick and deranged person.
VAUSE: Well, the US President was quick to call out the New York attacker on Twitter describing him as a very sick and deranged person.
SESAY: He also twitted, "I just ordered Homeland Security to step up our already extreme vetting program. Being politically correct is fine, but not for this." That twit of course came just hours after a man drove a truck into a private bike lane in Manhattan killing at least eight people.
VAUSE: For more now of the politics of all of this, political commentator, Mo'Kelly is with us; also California Republican National Committee, Shawn Steel and political analyst, Peter Mathews. Thank you all for being here. Welcome.
Okay, Mo, is the President right? Will increasing the extreme vetting of immigrants help prevent another attack like this one? Given that the guy who was out there, he'd been in the country for seven years?
MORRIS O'KELLY, RADIO AND TELEVISION COMMENTATOR, USA: We don't have very intellectually honest conversations. If you want to have a travel ban preventing terrorists from potentially coming into the country, well, we should also include France. We should also include Spain. We should also include the United Kingdom. That's where these terrorist attacks are happening and in this case, if this person seems to be from Uzbekistan, these aren't even countries or locations which are on this supposed watch list or travel ban list.
We can't stop people from doing evil. Just because we want to have more extreme vetting, it doesn't stop the evil in people's hearts.
SESAY: And Shawn, we need to consider this twit put out by Susan Hennessey. She was an intern in the Office of General Counsel of the National Security Agency. She commented this way in response to President Trump's position about extreme vetting being stepped up. "Nearly 600 Americans were shot earlier this month and Trump advocated that we do absolutely nothing in response."
In other words, 600 people died in Las Vegas. The President was silent in terms of what steps should be taken, and then here we are, instantaneously, the President is saying, let's step up extreme vetting.
SHAWN STEEL, REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE, CALIFORNIA: This is such utter nonsense on so many levels and Susan Hennessey, we - you know, she's really very brave in this conversation. We have a worldwide struggle that's going to be around while our children are - and our grandchildren are going to be fighting it.
That's a certain Jihadist sect of the Islamic religion which may be 10 percent, but we're still talking about millions and millions of very angry people and we're talking about extreme vetting. It was Obama's diversity program, that's originally what it was called that brought in this particular terrorist in New York City killing eight Americans.
Eight families will never be the same plus the carnage that was left and this is happening again and again and again, and it is going to continue to happen worldwide. This is a focus we need to talk about.
This woman is talking about 600 murders, we're talking about probably about Chicago, Obama's hometown where they had the strictest gun controls in the country and has the highest murder rate, so that's just cognitive discipline. It doesn't make any sense.
VAUSE: Just to spot check you, I don't think Chicago has the toughest gun laws in the country for a start.
STEEL: Illinois certainly does among the worst.
VAUSE: Okay, well, let's just bring Peter in this because Pater, you know, there's obviously the politics here of how you go about dealing with terrorism, how do you make a country safe, but at the same time, you know, if you single out one group in particular, which is what Shawn is talking about, which is what the President also seems to be talking about. Often, that could exacerbate what is already a bad situation.
PETER MATHEWS, POLITICAL ANALYST AND COMMENTATOR, USA: Well, yes, of course. Because when a group figures that they are singled out, they are going to react in a negative way and I think it's a much broader based a question.
I mean, it has to do with our connections and our foreign policies as well as what can we do about security right here in the country and for that, we should not single out one group. We should - maybe a more strict vetting would help a little bit, but as Mo mentioned, this guy was from Uzbekistan which is not even on the watch list. It's not even on the prevention of immigrant list.
So it's really - you can't get quick answers just like that because of this extreme horrible condition of what happened, and as you mentioned, 600 people were killed in Las Vegas and not much was mentioned about how to stop that, how to reduce the chance of that happening through this kind of semi-automatic and automatic weapons. It has to be dealt with in a more balanced.
VAUSE: Do you think - just to clarify, 600 people getting shot in Las Vegas...
SESAY: Yes, have been shot, yes, absolutely.
VAUSE: Because shot and wounded, I think. There's still a lot that had been killed...
SESAY: Well, yes, to think that 600 people were shot earlier this month is what...
VAUSE: But the point is that that is of gun violence.
SESAY: Yes, I mean, that's a broader point. There's a lot of gun violence and in the context of Vegas, which was one example, the President did not come out in the face of that mass casualty.
STEEL: I thought he said quite a bit. He actually showed up...
SESAY: He did not advocate or...
STEEL: I don't know what you're talking about. The President made a very firm statement about that. He showed up. He was there. He was visible.
SESAY: What was his proposition about how to stop it from happening again?
STEEL: You know, I don't know if we have a prescription about how to stop all things all the time, but when you have a foreigner that comes to this country who hates America...
VAUSE: What difference does it make?
STEEL: Oh it makes a huge difference that he is a Jihadist. It makes a huge difference if he is a male between the ages of 18 and 35, which is 90 percent of the terrorists in this country...
VAUSE: ... and kill 55 in less...
STEEL: It's not Swedish women that have granddaughters. That's not the one to have to be stripped searched at airports. It's a pretty obvious situation. You're stuck in the politically correct....
STEEL: ... which is going to be a suicidal mission.
KELLY: ... numbers. Fifty five is more than eight and I am not trying to trivialize that eight people died, but if we're trying to protect the...
STEEL: You're trivializing - all the deaths that have been taking place year after year, the hundreds of thousands of African Christians that have been murdered over the last 10 years in Africa alone. Nobody is talking about it. It's a worldwide phenomenon...
SESAY: Agreed, but you also know that more Muslims have been killed by this individual events...
STEEL: The greatest threat - Jihadists do more damage to Muslims, Christians and Jews - let's keep that in mind and the greatest number of victims are Muslims. We need to see three things in this country. Muslims stepping up - the modern Muslims, working closely with the government and then the boss here took the police out of the mosque. We need to have - we need to have good agents, good people inside the mosque...
KELLY: The United States in the past five years...
STEEL: How many?
MATHEWS: Do you know how many Americans have died since 9/11 by home borne radicals?
STEEL: Several hundred.
MATHEWS: Forty five.
VAUSE: Add the eight one today, you're up to 53 and that's a fact.
STEEL: And by the way, is that insignificant?
KELLY: No, not at all.
STEEL: Does it make you feel better when you want to go to New York City? Are you feeling good about going out tonight?
VAUSE: And to think - compared to the 10,000 people who were murdered by guns in this country, it is a much lower number, but Peter...
STEEL: Well, let's talk about gun violence some time. That's a great discussion.
VAUSE: We will.
STEEL: Because you're going to lose on that one too.
VAUSE: Okay, Peter, over to you because we did talk about the President's initial response to these two events, the mass shooting event Vegas, the worst massacre in modern American history and then this event in New York. The President's initial response on Twitter was this, "In New York City, it looks another attack by a very sick and deranged person. Law enforcement is following this closely. Not in the USA." That last part seems to be kind of a call for tougher immigration laws or are you going to entertain, you know, extreme - more extreme vetting if you like, compare to this initial response to the mass shooting in Vegas earlier this month, "My warmest condolences and sympathies to the victims and families of the terrible Las Vega shooting. God bless you."
Do be fair, the President eventually did send out his condolences to the...
SESAY: Thirty minutes after...
VAUSE: Yes, maybe that was the fact here - to those who lost their lives in New York. Explain the difference here if you can in the tone and the substance from the President's message?
MATHEWS: Well, the difference is that one person was a foreigner who came to this country and the other one was native born, a white American guy and there is a difference in the way Mr. Trump seems to treat people based on ethnicity, based on background and he's got to stop that. He's got to understand that it's America for everyone and even when we talked about gun control, you've got to be more strict about what should be done.
I mean, you can't be having semi-automatic weapons to be made into automatic weapons with the - the bump stocks which is something that has to be regulated much more and no one is talking about that. At least, the leaders on the right wing of the spectrum is not talking about it.
It's time to get real about this and to not just blame one group or the other, but talk about overall policy.
Let me say something else. When we invaded Iraq that caused a lot more violence with guns by the United States and its troops around the world and including terrorist acts. That actively going into Iraq with no weapons of mass destruction, no provocation against a country who has never attacked us was a total fiasco and that should be looked at and we should stop doing thing like that without looking in the long range terms and that will also help the American situation in the world and keep our security better... STEEL: Oddly enough that's exactly what Donald Trump campaigned on.
He opposed the war in Iraq. It turned out to be one of the greatest geopolitical misgivings of the United States. Bush hung his presidency on it. It was a disaster. It was a really poor policy. We should have let Saddam Hussein continue to terrorize his own people and bother Iran and Iran could have terrorized their people. We shouldn't have gone in. You're right.
VAUSE: But whatever that was done in New York, I want to go into a moment in this because you know, just as to clarify Shawn's point, what I think Shawn is trying to get at is that there needs to be sensibility about how we go about you know, immigration in this country and how you look at people in this country and there is a profile of people who, and Shawn to you, and I think it's being proved by the numbers all the way through, where - you know, who are more prone to violence than others and that should be taken into account.
KELLY: I don't disagree with that, but there's also an issue of proportionality here. If someone should kill 55 people, then let's look at that profile as well. We can't talk about someone like Dylann Roof who killed nine people and say that that is of lesser importance than this person who killed eight people today.
If it's about saving Americans and all of these people are Americans, I would hope that you would agree with me that all of us is important.
STEEL: I do. I actually - actually, I do.
KELLY: And if we switch the attackers and this attacker today was the actual - the perpetrator in Las Vegas, I have a feeling, a sneaking suspicion that your commentary would be slightly different today and it shouldn't be.
STEEL: Actually, not at all. The key is...
VAUSE: Thirty seconds, we're out of time.
STEEL: The key is this, when you - politically correct, you can't even make any judgments or profiles whatsoever, that's your rationale. We pretty much know what a terrorist, a Jihadist is going to be, what it's going to look like, how are they going to act. We can make some very smart decisions. The Israelis do a good job without profiling in a racial sense by looking at the behavior of people.
VAUSE: Okay, we are out of time, so...
SESAY: We are going to have to pick this up some time because I am interested in your sense of someone who comes here, who has been here for seven years...
VAUSE: But anyway, a life lost by a terrorist attack is not more valuable than a life lost in the mass shooting. I think it's...
SESAY: Yes, no absolutely. VAUSE: So, Shawn and Mo as well as Peter, thank you all for being
with us. It was a good discussion.
And we'll have more on our breaking news. Just ahead, the deadliest terror attack in New York City since 9/11. We will also learn how terrorists are weaponizing cars and trucks to kill and maim around the world.
[02:30:00] ISHA SESAY, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: You're watching CNN NEWSROOM live from Los Angeles, I'm Isha Sesay.
JOHN VAUSE, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: I'm John Vause. Our breaking news this hour, the suspect in the deadliest terror attack in New York City since 9/11, apparently left a note behind, claiming he acted in the name of ISIS. At least eight people were killed after a driver plowed a truck down a crowded bike path before crashing into a school bus near the World Trade Center.
SESAY: Police say the suspect is a 29-year-old man from Uzbekistan. Witnesses say he yelled "Allahu Akbar" or God is great. New York Police officer Ryan Nash shot the suspect, wounding him in the abdomen and took him into custody.
VAUSE: A warning now, we're about to show you some images which you will find graphic. Gary Tuchman looks back at other attacks which have also used vehicles as weapons.
GARY TUCHMAN, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Bastille Day in France, just last year, a fireworks display hedges ended in Nice. A terrorist, a Tunisian national driving his rented truck, strikes and kills 86 people as he plows through pedestrians at a high speed.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I had a choice to either jump to my right or jump to my left because the truck was swerving so I had to make a decision which way to jump. I decided to jump to my left and thank God I did because if I didn't I would have been dead.
TUCHMAN: More than 400 people were hurt in the 2016 attack. The terrorist was shot and killed. Nice was the deadliest of recent vehicle terror attacks. But there have been many more.
In August of this year, 13 people died, about 100 hurt in Barcelona. A van plowed through a crowd of people on a popular tourist area.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I saw it plow into, you know, the merchants, the pedestrians. I saw people flying over the vehicle. You know, just flying, you know, all around the vehicle, and it was just a really, really horrific scene of, you know, immediate carnage.
TUCHMAN: Two suspects were arrested but the driver gets away and has never been caught. ISIS claims responsibility for the attack. In Berlin, Germany, six days before last Christmas, a tractor trailer barrels into a Christmas market, killing 12 people. A manhunt ensues for the driver who got away. Four days after the attack, the Tunisian men are shot and killed. ISIS later releases a video of the man pledging allegiance to the terrorist group.
London has had three separate attacks this year, including two in June. 12 people in total were killed in those attacks that took place along the Westminster Bridge, the London Bridge, and outside a mosque.
There have been previous vehicle attacks in the United States, too. Back in 2006, at the University of North Carolina, nine people are hurt when a man drives an SUV into an area crowded with students. The driver who was convicted of attempted murder said it was retribution for Muslims being killed overseas. 10 years later in 2016, 11 people were injured at Ohio State University when a student carried out a car and knife attack.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We heard the chaos, shouts, screams, shots.
TUCHMAN: An Ohio State Campus police officer shot and killed the attacker, and police believe was inspired by ISIS. Gary Tuchman, CNN, Atlanta.
SESAY: And joining us now, Middle East Expert Lisa Daftari, the editor-in-chief of "The Foreign Desk". And former FBI Special Agent, Erroll Southers, Director of Homegrown Violent Extremism Studies at the University of Southern California. Welcome to you, both, thank you for being with us. And Erroll, to you first. So, we have the name of the suspect in this attack, Sayfullo Saipov, 29 years old. He came to the U.S. from Uzbekistan seven years ago. Many, many question, but let me start with the very basic one. Why would someone who's been in this country for that length of time go down the path of radicalization?
ERROLL SOUTHERS, DIRECTOR OF HOMEGROWN VIOLENT EXTREMISM STUDIES, UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA: Well, the first thing that would seem almost obvious is that there's something that happened, we call it a cognitive opening, where he's more susceptible to a violent action due to some grievance that he's -- that's occurred to him or his family or his social network.
And so, that's the first thing we're going to be looking at as you just asked. Why would a person who's been here for seven years much like interestingly enough two years shorter than the Tsarnaev Brothers in Boston? You know, why would you do it now after a person who's been here working allegedly or (INAUDIBLE) and stable then act out, you know, a place that he doesn't live, in a place that we're not quite sure how familiar he is, in such a violent way? It just doesn't seem to make sense in the face of it. But we're going to have to go back now in the investigation. That's what the investigation will do, will piece together his life from today, working backwards to see when in fact this happened, what it was, what he intended to accomplish with this, and hopefully, that he was just acting alone. [02:35:18] VAUSE: Lisa, you know, I was reading that since 9/11, and Erroll, you may be able to correct me on this if I got the number wrong, but since the 9/11 attack in New York back in 2001, less than 100 Americans have been killed by someone who is self-radicalized, even (INAUDIBLE) was 45, and maybe what happened on Tuesday will bring out to 53. You know, I don't want to diminish the lives being lost or downplay it at all, but you know, it does seem if nothing else, to some degree, the threat is being managed, right?
LISA DAFTARI, EDITOR-IN-CHIEF, THE FOREIGN DESK: Yes and no. So, yes, when something like today happens, we think about all the different soft targets in every city. The children are out tonight for Halloween trick or treating, and like you said, one tragedy is too many. But at the same time, we don't hear about the foiled attacks which the -- which law enforcement has been great at curbing. We've also hear about a lot of the accounts that are taken down daily on Twitter, on different social media platforms, which is really the place of radicalization.
You know, when we talk about the terrorist who committed this act today, we talk about lone wolf, which is this term that has me picking out of the -- our vocabulary and look at this, is it directed or inspired? And then the cases that we're seeing, they're all for the most part inspired. And that is on social media, and I think that for the most part, a lot of this is being curbed, but again, let's be proactive and not look at today and say, well, we could pat ourselves on the back and say this doesn't happen that often.
VAUSE: I guess to my point is -- and you just sort of made it for me, it's being managed. You know, you're talking about the Twitter accounts having down, the plots which are being foiled, is there a concern that there's going to be an explosion on these kind of things or is that the path that we're on?
DAFTARI: Right. Because -- well, it's being managed because there hasn't been something like a 9/11 scale type of attack, but that's not what they're after any longer. Both Al Qaeda and ISIS have made many, many, many public announcements. They put it in their magazines. I reported I took it out today because I wanted to refer back to it. This was June in 2016 where there was an actual postcard. There was nine different grids where they said, these are the different types of attacks that you could launch with everyday items, like a kitchen knife, like a car, you don't need -- it's no longer retweet and plot that big large attack that could be foiled like this because law enforcement is getting better at it. But again, the scary part is that the soft targets do exist and they're still soft. How do we harden these targets, and that's the question tonight.
SESAY: And I was -- to come back to you, let's talk about Uzbekistan, the starting point for this gentleman, can you give us some insight into the community? Can you give us some insight into the issue of extremism or radicalism there, because, you know, our last guest, you know, is making the point that this is a country that has had its issues and has extremist groups (INAUDIBLE)
SOUTHERS: It is but we still have to remember that he's been here for seven years. You know, we're assuming that he may have come here radicalized which may or may not be true. To Lisa's point, you know, we're looking at now a case of do it yourself terrorism. And people are getting radicalized, people unfortunately are getting radicalized here. I do research in a number of communities in the United States and much to the (INAUDIBLE) of the intelligence committee and the counterterrorism committee was that although we do have the online component which enhances the message, what we're seeing in America now is peer to peer and face to face. We're seeing on the ground, people who are working for ISIS, who are recruiters, who are here pushing that message and then you can go home and sit and have a thousand people like-minded join you online and enhance your messaging.
So, I think what we have to come to grips with are two things, these are homegrown people. I would argue that someone who's been here for seven years like this individual and nine years like the Tsarnaev Brothers, they're Americans. And the other thing we have to come to grips with that although we have an online component, these people are talking to each other. And one thing that people have to really embrace is the fact that it's happening in places that you would not expect. It's happening in malls, it's happening in playgrounds, in barber shops, it's not happening in mosques.
SESAY: Because the notion that put eyes on a mosque. And that, you know, you're going to pick up or look everywhere.
DAFTARI: Or look everywhere. Why not look everywhere, right?
VAUSE: Everywhere but a mosque, too, is saying because the mosque is the obvious place. OK. Lisa, Erroll, thank you.
SESAY: We appreciate it. Thank you.
SOUTHERS: Thank you.
SESAY: Well, we are learning more about the victims of this attack. Argentina's ministry of external affairs' concerns that five Argentine nationals were killed. They were part of a group of friends celebrating the 30th anniversary of their school graduation.
VAUSE: All of them came from the same city, Rosario. Another of their friend was wounded. He's in a hospital right now and is expected to recover. The Belgian Foreign Affairs Minister says a Belgian national was also killed. We're still waiting for information about the other two who lost their lives.
[02:40:00] SESAY: Well, still to come here on NEWSROOM L.A., more on the breaking news including (INAUDIBLE) tributes in lights for the truck attack victims.
VAUSE: Well, New York's Governor wants the world to know his city will not let terrorists win, so he had the spire lights of One World Trade Center glow red, white, and blue Tuesday night. A tribute to the eight people who lost their lives in the truck attack which happened just blocks away from the site of the 9/11 terror attack. SESAY: And here in California, before game 6 of the World Series against the Houston Astros, the Los Angeles Dodgers remembered the victims of the attack.
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VAUSE: The announcer called the attack a senseless tragedy and for the record the Dodgers went on in game six to even the series.
SESAY: Well, you've been watching CNN NEWSROOM live from Los Angeles, I'm Isha Sesay.
VAUSE: I'm John Vause. CNN's breaking news coverage continues at the top of the hour, but first, "WORLD SPORT" is up after the break.
[02:46:25] JOHN DEFTERIOS, CNN INTERNATIONAL HOST: Coming up on MARKETPLACE MIDDLE EAST, we go inside one of the United Arab Emirates oldest and largest firms, Abu Dhabi's national oil company, to meet the man who's taking it into the 21st century.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We don't want to stand still, what we want is to expand our business but want to do it in a smart way.
DEFTERIOS: And we are at the Olympics of vocational skills, asking why the Middle East needs to do more to promote this vital sector.
This is Sultan Al Jaber, one of the UAE's youngest CEOs. He's at the helm of one of the country's largest companies, ADNOC, and responsible for the greatest transformation in its history.
SULTAN AHMED AL JABER, CEO, ADNOC: We can no longer act as a pure and national oil company. We have to be very much focused on efficiency, profitability, and insuring that we perform at the highest standards.
DEFTERIOS: It was 1963 and oil exports began from the United Arab Emirates. Until then, it was a country that relied on fishing and pearls. Since then, crude has been the cash cow of the UAE.
It's oil after all that put these economies on a fast track for growth and help build these impressive skylines like this one in Dubai over the last two decades. But governments across the Gulf are waking up to a harsh new reality.
Oil is no longer $100 a barrel, more like half of that. It forced these several national oil companies to rethink their business model by diversifying, becoming more efficient, and looking to new sources of income. ADNOC is trying to do just that. There were major celebrations at its downtown headquarters recently. After 45 years in the business, it was having a re-launch of sorts, rebranding its 13 entities which not only covers oil and gas production but shipping, logistics, and schools. Pushing to seeking new revenue sources, it's planning to list some of these business on the stock market.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ADNOC's new strategy to bring in private investors to its downstream business for example or distribution services, I can see that as part of its attempt to bring in greater operational efficiency, reduce its cost, bring in additional investment, create -- job creation, which is all in line with the government's broader strategy.
DEFTERIOS: This is the (INAUDIBLE) oilfield, ADNOC's largest onshore site, covering 1200 kilometers, it has more than 1,000 wells.
Even by Middle East standards, this is a big field representing a quarter of onshore capacity. As a company, ADNOC produces just under 3 million barrels a day, ranking it 12th worldwide.
Discovered in 1952, we are on oilrig 1197, which is drilling 7,000 feet into the earth's core.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That field is very unique field. It has a multilayer under the ground where the oil is presents there. Some of the field is very easy oil to produce, some of the fields, it's very hard which needs a special technique or technology.
DEFTERIOS: ADNOC is among the largest energy producers in the world and one of the UAE's biggest companies with 58,000 employees. It's reportedly planning to float its retail business, 360 service stations across the UAE which could raise up to $2 million.
[02:50:07] UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There is definitely value in bringing in private investment not only financially but also economically speaking when we have private investment, when we have greater competition, automatically, there is improvement in efficiency of operations in pricing and services, improvement of policy.
DEFTERIOS: Other state oil companies are looking to go to the global stock markets as well. Saudi Aramco by floating five percent, hoist to become the world's first trillion-dollar company. But how it does so and when leaves huge question marks. Kuwait Petroleum Corporation and Oman Oil Company are reportedly exploring other options.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: One has the question, how ready these countries are in terms of opening up to private investment, releasing some of their data, information to the public sector, but I don't think they have another choice as it's not going to be easy, but this is the way forward.
DEFTERIOS: And it's this way forward, CEO Sultan Al Jaber says he's planning to take.
AL JABER: We want to transform this company to become one very strong, agile, ready company to adapt to market dynamics and to the (INAUDIBLE) of the month that we have all been experiencing in the past few years.
DEFTERIOS: As you know everybody is focused on this five percent float of Aramco in 2018. That's up to holding company. Could you see ADNOC floating any shares in the holding company in the strategy in near more medium term?
AL JABER: First of all, I value maximization activity here at ADNOC. We have identified many areas that would allow for us to ensure maximum profitability, enhance our revenues, and unlock value. And this will, of course, dictate that we will be looking at IPOing some of our services companies but those will only be very small stakes. But here, I can comfortably tell you that ADNOC will not be in any way IPOed. So, ADNOC will continue to be wholly owned by one shareholder and that is the (INAUDIBLE) government.
DEFTERIOS: This is quite radical because it opens up national oil companies to greater transparency if you take an investment. Is this company ready to do so?
AL JABER: We are very progressive in our approach and we want to be seen as a true reliable source of energy and in my view, it will take some hard decisions and it will take us from any comfort zone we are in today. And I believe that ADNOC is well positioned and absolutely ready to engage as a true global oil and gas company.
DEFTERIOS: The major producers of OPEC including the state-run companies seemed very determined at this stage to rebalance the market. You adhere into those production limits to rebalance. You're comfortable to follow that policy at this stage as a chief executive of a national oil company.
AL JABER: We're not only comfortable, we're actually very committed and fully dedicated to ensure our full compliance with OPEC.
DEFTERIOS: After (INAUDIBLE) rapid world, the university education was taking top priority in the energy-rich Gulf. But with some of the highest birthrates in the world, governments are realizing they have to broaden their employment strategy to include vocational skills.
TEAM: We are team Bahrain. Welcome to WorldSkills 2017.
DEFTERIOS: It's the Olympic games of vocational skills, and it was held for the first time recently in the Middle East. At the opening ceremony in Abu Dhabi, representatives from 59 countries proudly flew the flag of their home nation. Held every two years since 1950, the event promotes the critically important skilled trade and vocational education sector. It's a hot topic in the Middle East where recent survey show youth unemployment hovers around 30 percent, and where Gulf nations in particular have focused on high academic achievements by attracting some of the world's top universities to their shores.
SIMON BARTLEY, PRESIDENT, WORLDSKILLS: The problem with universities of today is they are particularly academic, not very vocational.
DEFTERIOS: Simon Bartley is President of WorldSkills and oversaw this huge event.
BARTLEY: What we need to do here in the Middle East but also around the world is to actually move people to think that a university is a place to go to get a job at the end of it, so they become more vocational themselves, and I think that and the colleges are both solutions rather than problems.
DEFTERIOS: Over four days, more than 1300 competitors between the age of 17 and 25 faced off for one of the 51 skills challenges. Two of the three first time competitors are from the region, Palestinian territories and Bahrain. 21-year-old Ameen Baker has been honing his skills as a painter and decorator over the last three years.
AMEEN BAKER, PAINTER & DECORATOR (through translator): The thing I love most about painting and interior design is that you're free, and freedom is what generates an idea, and an idea is what generates creativity. If I carry on with this, I'm not only going to be doing myself a service but also one to my country and the whole society.
DEFTERIOS: Maliha Moudhafar, also 21, represented Bahrain in Web design and development.
MALIHA MOUDHAFAR, STUDENT, BAHRAIN POLYTECHNIC COLLEGE OF TECHNOLOGY: It's an amazing opportunity. There's always a feeling of pride when you present your country on an international level. I think it will open many doors for me.
DEFTERIOS: Maliha like many of the competitors plans to turn their vocational skill into a fulltime career.
MOUDHAFAR: I have thought of a business that I would, you know, start up by making a Web site. My plan is basically to have a Web application for all the business, and instead of every company having their own sales and marketing department, we can have that and can make a contract with them.
DEFTERIOS: WorldSkills in Abu Dhabi has brought regional attention to the case for more vocational skills. As Simon Bartley believes that the governments here should learn from what the U.K. went through in the 1970s.
BARTLEY: In the mid-1970s, an industry at the pressure of government stopped doing things that led to training, lowest costs. So, actually, research and training was two things that companies stopped doing. And evented the Polish plumber to use the generic phrase. And the issue about the Polish plumbers is they were really good, and therefore companies used them and that was part of that negative spiral. They used them, found they were good, so we said, why should we start training again? Now, let's make sure that that doesn't happen here in the Gulf region because otherwise, that would just add to the problem that they have already.
DEFTERIOS: Simon Bartley of WorldSkills International and the need for vocational training as governments face higher youth unemployment rates and lower oil revenues.