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PRIMETIME JUSTICE WITH ASHLEIGH BANFIELD

A stray bullet killed a boy during a police gunfire; Woman chained up in a van in Las Vegas. Aired 6-6:30p ET

Aired December 26, 2017 - 18:00   ET

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[18:00:00] JOEY JACKSON, HLN HOST: A pleasant good evening, everyone, I`m Joey Jackson in tonight for Ashley Banfield and this is "Prime and

Justice." Frightening moments for passengers on board a Jet Blue plane shortly after it landed in Boston. Now the flight (INAUDIBLE) skidded on

some ice, spinning the plane completely around and off the taxi way, but thankfully no one was hurt.

Boston not the only part of the country seeing dangerous ice and snow, and nearly 30 million people from Ohio to Montana are seeing extremely cold

temperatures. And areas near the Great Lakes could see 10 to 18 inches of snow in the next couple of days. And Erie, Pennsylvania has seen more than

50 inches of snow since Christmas Eve, and more is on the way.

A manhunt in California for a driver who randomly started shooting at other drivers. Now police say that someone in a large pickup truck has fired at

at least 10 vehicles near Fresno. An update on who investigators are looking for in just minutes.

In Phoenix, police say a woman`s estranged spouse killed her and her two children on Christmas Day. The suspect was taken into custody after a six

hour stand-off. A police officer was wounded during a shootout with the gunman. Investigators aren`t sure yet about the timing of these killings.

And Apple is now facing several lawsuits. These suits claim that the company didn`t disclose that it was slowing down older iPhones when a new

one came out. The suits coming after Apple admitted the move supposedly to keep older batteries from spiking in power and shutting down the devices.

The plaintiffs claim that the company did it to force people to buy new phones.

But we begin tonight in Texas and for the manhunt for a suspected car thief. Now sheriff deputies were searching for Amanda Lene Jones. Right

there you see her, who they not only thought was in possession of a stolen vehicle, but was also packing heat. Well that`s because when they first

encountered Jones, officers say that she told them that she had a weapon and was willing to use it. Take a listen.

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JAVIER SALAZAR, BEXAR COUNTY SHERIFF"S OFFICE: Shortly after making contact with her, the suspect indicated to the deputy, "I have a weapon. I`m going

to shoot you." And at that point she actually brandished the weapon towards the deputy. The deputy for whatever reason was not able to retrieve his

firearm to engage the suspect. Instead he gave her some space, she was able to make it out of the trailer and she left the trailer on foot.

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JACKSON: Scary. They would look for Amanda Jones for two hours using helicopters and canine units searching through creeks with water chin deep

until they finally found her about a mile away at a mobile park. Now, Jones had forced her way into a trailer and threatened to shoot members of the

family that was inside. She told the family that she was taking their car, but when she tried to leave, officers were waiting.

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SALAZAR: At this point, they made contact with her on the porch of this one trailer where it was apparent that she was trying to get into that trailer

as well. Deputies had her basically cornered in that area. Again, something in the way that the suspect presented to deputies place these deputies in

direct fear for their lives. They fired several shots each at the suspect.

The suspect was shot at least several times that we know of. She fell there and died at the scene. A round at this point, it`s not definitive whether

the round came from one of the deputy`s firearms, entered the trailer that was there and a small boy that was inside the residence was struck in the

torso.

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JACKSON: That`s right, just days before Christmas, you see him there, that`s 6-year-old Kameron Prescott. He was shot and killed that was by a

stray officer`s bullet and now family is left grieving during what is supposed to be one of the happiest times of the year. And remembering the

life of a boy who`s teachers says had a smile that would just light up the room.

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SHANDA INCE, KAMERON PRESCOTT`S TEACHER: Kameron had the biggest heart of any young boy I have ever come across in my 18-year career. He was always

talking and telling everyone hello through the door as he, you know, would go into the school to where he needed to be in the mornings and tell every

teacher hello. Not one day went by that he did not hug me and tell me he loved me before he left. So very thankful that they had Kameron in our

lives. He will be dearly missed at Wiederstein Elementary School.

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JACKSON: So sad. Joining me now, Sheriff Javier Salazar from the Bexar County Sheriff Office. Also, Michael Board, he`s a reporter for WOAI

Newsradio.

[18:05:00] And of course we have CNN law enforcement analyst and retired FBI supervisory special agent James Gagliano and trial attorney Mark Tate.

And so let`s start with the reporter on this issue, get us through it, what exactly happened here, how could this possibly happen? Michael Borg, what

do you know?

MICHAEL BOARD, REPORTER, WOAI NEWSRADIO (via telephone): You know, this -- it really is a tragic situation and as we heard from the teachers today,

this morning they had teachers and staff at Wiederstein Elementary School using bubble wands and bubbles to blow bubbles as they remembered little

Kameron Prescott. It`s really hit this community hard and it`s really highlighted the issue of how difficult modern policing is these days and

the pressure that police officers are under.

As we`ve talked about before, this was a long and involved police chase. Officers of Bexar County Sherriff`s going through many different

jurisdictions, trying to track down this woman who was wanted on multiple felony warrants, who had a long history of problems with law enforcement,

14 different arrests over a period of time.

So this is someone who is long been known to law enforcement. She`s been in and out of jails, problems with drugs for a long time. So when officers

were chasing her through different jurisdictions, through at one point we were described as waste deep water going through this area. A very high

intensity chase after this and they knew that the person they were chasing had a dangerous past, involved drugs, unfortunately, ending in a situation

as it ended.

JACKSON: So Michael, before we get to the sheriff, just a couple followup questions as we look there, that`s Amanda Lene Jones. She`s the one who was

shot. We`re looking at her criminal history, possession of controlled substance, guilty, that was in September of 2016. Another one, and it goes

on. Failure to identify, giving false fictitious info. Guilty, December 29th of `08. Unauthorized absence community correction facility -- well, we

know she had certainly a past history.

You mentioned also as we`re looking at the history, I just want to go to you Michael for some followup, you mentioned the community was somewhat

concerned. What`s the community doing if anything to bring about some accountability or at least trying to find out precisely what happened?

BOARD: Well, yes, that`s what we`re trying to figure out and you know, we were around this community where the shooting happened. They talked about

what it`s like to be in this community. They said a year ago, during Christmas time a year ago, there are lots of kids out playing. There are

lots of kids in this little community where the shooting happened.

And they said that just the vibe of the community is completely different this year. There are not kids running around. People are more holding their

families close this year as they try to grapple with what`s going on and what happened. One of the big questions going-forward is where we

understand that the deputies who were involved in this were wearing body cameras. So, going-forward as an independent investigator from the D.A.`s

office looks into this, I`m sure those body-worn cameras are going to be a big part of the investigation going forward.

JACKSON: There`s no question about that, Michael. Well, we`re fortunate enough to have the sheriff. And if I can just ask you Sheriff, obviously

it`s not a normal Christmas in that community. There`s a 6-year-old who should be opening up toys who is dead right now. Could you take us what if

any investigation is being done by your office at this point to determine whether this was justified?

SALAZAR (via telephone): Yes sir. We`re investigating on several points actually. Our homicide unit is looking at the shooting itself. But

additionally, our internal affairs unit is looking at the events in total. So, what started this event, the shooting itself and then of course they`re

also looking over the investigation as it unfolds to make sure that we`re doing everything that we need to as far as the investigation.

Now today, a new development is I actually asked the district attorney, Nico LaHood, to give me an extra set -- couple of sets of eyes, looking

over the investigation as it unfolds. So thankfully, Mr. LaHood sent us over an assistant district attorney as well as an investigator with the

D.A.`s office to look over this investigation as it unfolds, to offer guidance from their perspective and to, you know, obviously guide that

investigation in the way that they may need it to go at some point.

JACKSON: Well Sheriff, we certainly, you know, that investigation would ensure that the community obviously gets some answers there, but what are

your initial impressions. I think you made note that you didn`t see that any policies were violated at this point. Is that accurate?

SALAZAR: As early as -- and it`s still very early on in the investigation, let me say that, you know. So, while we`re not even real close to the

conclusion of this thing. Just early on we`re looking at really there were no panic policy violation that jumped out at us. Now, that doesn`t say that

this is not an extremely tragic situation. It`s definitely a horrible incident that, you know, and I`ve spoken to9 the family or at least two

members of the family since then.

[18:10:00] And so yes, certainly not to take anything away from that situation, we have got a 6-year-old that is no longer with us that,

correct, everybody here deserves some answers and myself, the district attorney, various investigators from within my agency, we`re not going to

stop digging until we get them the answers they`re entitled to.

JACKSON: Certainly we hope not as we look at the 6-year-old boy there. Just following up on the positive violations, we actually have them. We know it

was deadly use of force incident. I looked through the policy here and I just wonder if we can take a full screen that of deadly force. We know what

it is as we look at that. Force that is intended or know, well, you can read it there at home, but there`s something even more than that because we

know this deadly force led to a 6-year-old being killed.

But the policy has specific guidelines as to when deadly force could be used. And we have a full screen of those guidelines that I want take the

viewers through. And then after we do that, Sheriff, I just want you to respond to whether or not that occurred? And I`m talking about the use of

force policy, not the -- do we have the -- we know what deadly force is. I`m talking about the use of force policy and when specifically force can

be used.

I think we have a full screen of that and I think the viewers need to see. There we go, use of force policy includes, force that reasonably appears

necessary to effectively bring an incident under control. We have another, force which is reasonably prudent which a reasonably prudent officer would

use under the same or similar circumstances. Exhaust every reasonable means of applying the minimum amount of force. So Sheriff, can I ask you, is

there any indication when you say that apparently nothing appears to be violated? What kind of alternatives these officers use before opening up

fire, if we know?

SALAZAR: Well. in determining of prudency, you know, we need to get -- be able to get into the mind-set of that officer. Did he know at the time of

the shooting, did he know or could he be expected to know whether somebody was within that trailer? So that`s one of the things we`re trying to

determine at this point --

JACKSON: Yes, if I could just stop you there. It`s not only about someone being in a trailer. It`s about whether that person in a trailer represents

a threat. So, on the issue of whether the person in a trailer represented a threat, that`s what I`m getting at. Was there a gun that the person

possessed that was in the trailer? Did someone shoot at the officers who were in the trailer? What gave these four officers the indication that they

had to escalate this to a deadly force scenario? That`s the question.

SALAZAR: Well, they had a suspect who to this point, four different officers, and at least one civilian -- two civilians had seen something in

the hands of this suspect. They believed it to be a weapon at that point due to the fact that she had directly threatened three different officers

prior to this point --

JACKSON: When did they see something in her hand, officer? I`m sorry, Sheriff. When did they actually --

SALAZAR: Sir, you`re giving me a question and I`m answering it if you`d allow me to.

JACKSON: No, I do, but for the viewers I just want to break it up so it`s not in narrative form. I don`t mean to be rude at all, but just in terms of

when they saw the weapon. You gave the indication they saw a weapon. What I want the viewers to know and understand from you is at what point they saw

the weapon? Was it when they actually fired or was is at some prior point?

SALAZAR: Earlier in this pursuit, three different officers had been threatened physically with a pistol, what they did readily identify as a

pistol and verbally by the suspect. At the point of the shooting itself, these four officers and two civilian witnesses report something in her hand

that could have been a weapon --

JACKSON: Was that pointed at the officers though? Was it pointed at the time that the shooting occurred -- was it pointed at the officers?

Certainly, that`s something viewers want to know and that`s relevant.

SALAZAR: And again, let me answer the question. My understanding is that it was pointed at the officer and not only that, she was in the process of

making verbal threats to the officers indicating to them she was armed and she was going to shoot them.

JACKSON: So, we do know that whatever she had in her hand because we know we haven`t recovered a weapon at this point, is that correct?

SALAZAR: Correct.

JACKSON: We do know that the officers believed that that was a weapon, is that right?

SALAZAR: Yes, sir.

JACKSON: Was that item -- was there an actual discharge of anything that we know to this point that would show that she was firing at the officers?

SALAZAR: No sir.

JACKSON: OK. Sheriff, stand by, I want to bring in James Gagliano for a moment. He would know a lot about this and Mark, certainly you as an

attorney. So let me ask you, I`m sure you`ve been in a number of scenarios as an FBI official. Take us through the thinking, the policy, the

justification. What`s an officer going through at this point?

JAMES GAGLIANO, CNN LAW ENFORCMENT ANALYST: First of all, you`re asking the right questions and Joey, you and I talked about a number of recent police

shootings where it`s pretty clear there were some mistakes made either policy wasn`t followed or an officer escalated on the force continuum

[18:15:00] further than he should have or faster than he should have. In this instance, to the sheriff`s point, we`re still waiting on some of the

facts to come in. Some of the issues I think that are going to be pretty much important here.

I look through as you did. The use of force policy for that sheriff`s department is 10 pages long. The FBI`s use of force policy is on a

postcard. And basically what it is, is you`re articulating. Does a reasonable officer -- you two are attorneys so you understand the

reasonable standard -- can they argue that in that circumstance, another officer, not a civilian, but another officer would have acted the same way?

They would have seen a threat. And remember in threat situations, action is always faster than reaction.

JACKSON: Of course.

GAGLIANO: So if somebody has something in their hand, you have a woman that had a previous position toward this. They saw the weapon before. I think

when the facts all come in this might have been a justifiable shooting. The issue is going to be, did they take into the circumstances that behind them

were mobile homes with tissue paper thin walls --

JACKSON: -- So Mark, to you on the issue. It always concerns me and the sheriff was gracious enough to come on, you know, it always concerns me

when you say, well, it looks like that no policy was violated. The policy I read says that there are reasonable alternatives that need to be employed

say that the minimum amount of force should be used. What are your concerns about this?

MARK TATE, TRIAL ATTORNEY: Well, first of all, I want to say that Sheriff Salazar was saying the right things. He is taking this seriously. However,

he is throwing up what I hear a lot of times any time there is an unauthorized use of force case and that is there is some innate defense

that people and Sheriff Salazar`s position spring to.

And he`s correct, you do have to put yourself in the officer`s position at the time and determine whether that`s reasonable conditions. But my concern

is this, I`m not really concerned about whether shooting the suspect was a valid shooting. What I`m concerned about is the use of force in general,

which cost the life of an innocent child and regardless of whether this woman had a gun on them earlier.

JACKSON: Or criminal record that she does have --

TATE: And that the criminal record has nothing violent whatsoever. She has got convictions for possessions of drugs. She`s never done anything

violent, not one time over in the past.

JACKSON: Well, what I`m concerned about is there`s a six-year-old kid that`s dead. There was a stray bullet that hit her and I certainly would

love to get to the bottom of what occurred and whether this was justified or not justified. And hopefully, Mark and James, we will. And thank you

Sheriff so much for coming on to the program, many more questions to you.

Coming up, a Las Vegas woman is rescued from a back of a van, she`s wearing only her underwear.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, my God, thank you.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`s chained down by the neck.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He dragged me out of the place and I fought so (BLEEP) hard because I was like this is how you die.

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JACKSON: Her kidnapper has his day in court. Details straight ahead.

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JACKSON: To say that this next story is bizarre would be an understatement. Now, police respond to an early morning call about a kidnapping. A man

described seeing his neighbor being dragged out of her apartment wearing only her underwear. Now she was bound, gagged and chained before being

thrown into the back of a van. Hours later, police found that van and it was all caught on video.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, my God, thank you.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`s chained down by the neck.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He dragged me out of the place and I fought so (BLEEP) hard because I was like this is how you die.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`s chained up.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is there anyone else in there?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, there`s one person.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m really frightened. Samuel Lee Brown but I prefer to be called Sophia.

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JACKSON: The man you saw walking in the street was no stranger to the victim. It was actually the woman`s ex-boyfriend. And you can see her in

the back of that van as well. Now according to court documents, Jack Morgan kidnapped his ex with plans to take her to a cave, you see him there, chain

her inside and brainwash her to be his wife. I told you it was bizarre.

He`s now facing possible life in prison. Joining me now, Eddy Aragon, the host of "The Rock of Talk" ABQ 93.7. Also back with us, CNN law enforcement

analyst James Gagliano and trial attorney Mark Tate. And so to you, Rock, let`s talk about this story. So just take us through the story if you don`t

mind. What is going on here?

EDDY ARAGON, HOST, THE ROCK OF TALK, ABQ 93.7 FM (via telephone): So basically, Jack stalked his victim on social media for about a year before

essentially reaching out to her and then met her for coffee, he followed her home and found out where she lived. Got her about a year ago now as

we`re looking at it, and you saw the harrowing video right there. And then police arrested him and also a transgender woman, Samuel, who identified as

Sophie as they were trying to transport all the way back to New Mexico.

And what he was trying to do was he was trying to bring home a wife. He choked her several times during the kidnapping. He tried to hog tie her,

but essentially what he was trying to do is wrangle (ph) home a wife back to New Mexico. And he is now being not just indicted, but criminally

charged as of just a few days ago, on December 19th and under count two that is of -- that`s false imprisonment and intentionally confining,

restraining her without her consent and that knowing that she had no lawful authority to do so, and so the count --

JACKSON: So Eddy -- just to be clear, Eddy, regarding that, was he convicted of this? I know there were people that were working with --

ARAGON: There was a plea agreement. Sophie, aka (ph) Samule is off. She identifies as woman. She`s 19-years of age. Jack is now 32, 31 at the time

of committing the crime, but he is now awaiting sentencing on count number two, that is, and that`s intentionally confining or restraining her without

her consent, but a very bizarre

[18:25:00] story to say the least. So they did make a plea agreement and the younger of the two, the 32-year-old and 19-year-old getting together,

the 19-year-old basically pled her way out of it.

JACKSON: All right. So just to be clear before we get to our attorney and our law enforcement official, so there are two people that were involved in

this if I`m correct, right?

ARAGON: Absolutely.

JACKSON: And one of them actually went to trial, is that accurate? And the other is the person who plead guilty?

ARAGON: The 32-year-old Jack Morgan is the one who plead guilty to this as part of the plea agreement and the other one pled out basically exonerating

herself in this and the second one is the one who got convicted as of December 19th.

JACKSON: OK. So stand by, just want to play a sound here of the suspect singing "Amazing Grace" if you could believe it. I told you the story was a

bit bizarre, and then we`ll react to it after we see it. Let`s hear it.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, I don`t.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Amazing grace I once was lost

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s pretty good.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I do what I can.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Note to self, wear shoes next time.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

JACKSON: So, James Gagliano, I know you have seen some strange things in your life as a FBI agent. Is this one of the strangest?

GAGLIANO: Bizarre and could have been so much worse, Joey. I mean, we`re happy that the woman is safe. In situations like this, just to unpack this

for your viewer, this is a kidnapping case obviously, unlawful imprisonment and states have that on their statutes now so they can prosecute them. This

isn`t like back in the `30s and 40s when the Lindbergh baby was kidnapped and the FBI had sole purview. The FBI`s focus now is on different things.

They assist in kidnapping cases, but this will be prosecuted probably at the state level.

JACKSON: So, just federal and state can actually do it?

GAGLIANO: Yes.

JACKSON: And just going back into this? Mark, I`ll bring you into this. My understanding is that it was a prosecution, right? The feds have taken up

the prosecution of this and that one of them has pled guilty. That`s the one who dragged them off. The other one turns state evidence.

TATE: Yes. It sounds like what happened is they -- the old FBI law enforcement trick is they turn the witness, and eye witness enter into a

plea agreement --

JACKSON: That`s what the FBI does.

TATE: Right, right, and we`re glad they do that in some cases. And this is the perfect kind of case for it because there is a witness who can give

motive and opportunity to the prosecution so that they can convict this guy who`s clearly crazy. Something`s really, bad, wrong, I mean, if that`s the

best way he can find a wife, he has got some serious, serious issues and he`s got a life sentence either way.

JACKSON: As an understatement, we have another sound from a neighbor who witnessed this, James. Before we get into that, I just want to ask you

though, you know, Mark talked about turning states evidence, right. You get one person against another and it was the actual other person who they

found on conspiracy. They pled guilty. How effective of a law enforcement tool do you find that to offer one a plea deal, other goes to trial and

guess who shows up to testify against that person.

GAGLIANI: Joey, you know how this works too, working in defense. Once you bring two people in a conspiracy together, you never put them in the back

of the same patrol car. You always want to separate them because you want to be able to determine the veracity of their stories and then work through

that way, supposed to have them together, being able to come up and concoct a scheme.

And yet this is probably -- they probably figured out that the number two guy was not the one that was the brains behind the operation, if any brains

were used at all, and so they`re probably going to put some pressure on him and hopefully that turns on the main.

JACKSON: Without question. So let`s go to the second sound. This is actually of a neighbor who witnessed the kidnapping. If we can just play it

out and we`ll talk about it after.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When I saw him, very suspicious as he`s walking her out and so I pulled over and got out of my car and then he just walked away.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

JACKSON: So Eddy, if you are still with us, take us through that. How important was it with the other witnesses who were there to bring this

person to justice or people in this case?

ARAGON: Well I think they`re the heroes in all this. If they weren`t aware of this happening, God only knows what would have happened to her last

January 30th. So without that type of notification, letting it out, this woman would likely be dead.

As you heard, they were -- she was supposed to come back to New Mexico to be chained up in a cave, in northern New Mexico in a place in Rio Arriba

County where almost nobody goes. If you think about some of the backdrops of what we have in northern New Mexico in movies, it`s a very desolate

place up there in northern New Mexico.

So, there`s likely nobody would have ever found her. She would have been a missing person case, assumed dead at that point. But as your previous guest

said, not very smart the way they thought about it. And chaining her to the back of the van,

[18:30:00] with nothing more than her underwear, bound, gagged, hogtied. Thank God that they heard something and they notified authorities.

JACKSON: Yes. You know, we also have another sound I want to play which is of a neighbor the night before, and we`ll listen to that and then will get

some reaction.

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SKY LI, KIDNAPPING WITNESS: I saw him. Very suspicious as he is walking around. Pulled over and got out of my car. He just walked away.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

JACKSON: James Gagliano, let me go to you. Community involvement, right? Bringing people to justice. I know law enforcement does its work and they

do a great job, but you can`t do it alone.

JAMES GAGLIANO, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: No. It goes back to the original see something, say saying type thing. If something looks out of

place in the 21st century now, you got to go to law enforcement, you got to, you know, relay that information.

We also teach people not to walk around oblivious. There`s a thing called (INAUDIBLE), which says when you`re in condition white, that means you`re

walking around oblivious to your surroundings. You don`t need to walk around hyper, you know, code red, but you do need to have some semblance

and awareness of your surroundings and where you are at all times.

JACKSON: You know, it`s very significant.

MARK TATE, TRIAL ATTORNEY: Well, I was just going to point out, in many instances, the thing that makes a difference to stop a kidnapping and a

rape, sometimes is video surveillance. In this particular incidence, it happened to be layperson surveillance. He was able to come forward and help

law enforcement.

What we see in premises liability cases all the time where there`s an assailant and video surveillance when properly monitored can actually help

law enforcement not only prevent but also Apprehend, you know, assailants like this.

JACKSON: Without question, Mark. Nowadays, of course, the viewers know this, you got cell phones, you got all kinds of things that can capture

people on tape, and that`s helpful to you guys and law enforcement to bring matters to justice. Stand by. All right. Thank you.

This next story, cops in Massachusetts say that this woman -- you see her there -- that`s Melissa Allen. Well, she was trying to steal more than

$1,000 worth of merchandise from a local Target store when she was arrested. The crazy thing is, there were 50 to 75 police officers who were

at that Target when she was caught.

They were there for a shot with a cop event that benefits kids in need, when a Target employee saw Allen try to leave the store with a bin loaded

with goods. It`s hard to imagine how she missed them, but she apparently did. And now she`s facing a number of charges, including larceny of more

than $250. Good police work.

A missing pregnant 14-year-old, now, she was on the run for weeks with her felon cousin. She`s been found and so has he. We`ll go inside the hunt and

capture of Louis Jacob (ph) with one of the U.S. marshals who tracked him down. That`s next.

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JACKSON: For three weeks, we`ve been following the story of a missing pregnant 14-year-old girl. The teen had been spotted in several places with

her much older cousin. He was a wanted felon, believed to be the father of her unborn child. Tonight, we`ve learned that the two have been found.

And that cousin, you see him there, 30-year-old Louis Jacob (ph) is behind bars. Investigators tell us that the pair traveled more than 500 miles,

making it as far as Virginia Beach, but they were finally caught back at home in Northern Ohio.

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PETE ELLIOTT, U.S. MARSHAL: (INAUDIBLE) for a long time. We`re not going to give her back to the mother. So, at this point, that`s why she`s turned

over to the Summit County Children`s Services Department.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

JACKSON: I want to take you inside the investigation tonight and find out how authorities actually caught up with them, not far from where the story

actually started. And to do that, we have senior inspector Bill Boldin. He is the SEC (ph) offender investigations coordinator from the U.S. Marshals

Service. He joins us from Cleveland. Thank you, sir, so much for joining us. And we of course have with us still trial attorney Mark Tate. He is

here again.

TATE: Thanks.

JACKSON: Thank you. All right. So, take us through this, Investigator Boldin. First, congratulations, you -- and most importantly, this 14-year-

old is safe and sound. You have the felon fugitive who is in custody and under control. Great work by you and your team. How did you bring him to

justice?

BILL BOLDIN, SEX OFFENDER INVESTIGATIONS COORDINATOR, U.S. MARSHALS SERVICE (via telephone): This was a unique case. Everyone knows about how we use

technology to catch people. How their technology catches up with them. However, in this case, both of them dumped their technology almost

immediately, stayed off of social media, stayed off their phones.

And so this involved a lot of I would call an old fashioned police work. Witness interviews, talking to people, researching records. Most

importantly in this case, tips from the public. We received numerous tips from the public which ultimately led us to his final location.

JACKSON: You know, inspector, that`s such a great thing because it shows that law enforcement as effective as you are, you always need community

involvement and support. And you mentioned before, you know, the surveillance, you didn`t have a dump there, a technological devices. We

actually have a full screen of the route that they took when they were actually on the run.

So, how did you do it? If you look at the full screen there, which shows -- and if you look at the map closely, you see that there are arrows that are

pointing in the direction from where it is, Ohio to Virginia, and then the arrow actually points back. And so what exactly did you do? What help did

you get from the community and also this show, I might add, in order to bring this person to justice and find this girl safe?

BOLDIN (via telephone): Once it started being publicized on a national level, we received -- like I said, we received a lot of calls, and the

unfortunate part is most of these callers were telling us some place where they had seen both of these people, you know, a day before

[18:40:00] or three days before or four days before. We worked at the information of exactly where they were right when that person was calling.

JACKSON: Right.

BOLDIN (via telephone): But what it did is that allowed us to identify a pattern, come up with their path of travel, if you will. You know, the two

gas stations where they drove off from, they were -- those were a national gas station chain. Somebody recognized the name. Somebody in that town

remembered that they had filed a local police report about a drive-off.

And we were able to put together that it was our same person. Same thing with the hotel chains. He has a couple certain national hotel chains for

whatever reason he was very fond of, and it was their own staff after seeing the news realized that he had been frequenting their hotels,

notified their corporate offices who in turn contacted us. And then we were able to develop that pattern of where he was staying and where they were

going.

JACKSON: Amen to that. You know, it`s interesting, as we see the full screen of the direction of travel. It`s almost like they came home for the

holidays, right? You leave Ohio, you traveled then you go to Virginia then you go back up and finally, as you see there on the 21st, Cleveland, Ohio,

man arrested and the girl found.

So on that point, inspector, before we get our attorney Mark Tate, if I can just ask you, what happens to them now in terms of the fugitive felon who

is 33 years old and he was on the run, he has her, she`s 14 years old? What happens to him? And then of course, what happens and where is she?

BOLDIN (via telephone): I`d like to start out with what happens to her. She was obviously the most important aspect of this.

JACKSON: Absolutely.

BOLDIN (via telephone): She was taken to a local hospital just for observation and to be checked out due to the circumstances surrounding all

of this.

JACKSON: Was she OK? Not to interrupt you, inspector, but was she OK? Just being taken to the local hospital, anything that we need to know in terms

of any ailments or maladies that she was suffering from?

BOLDIN (via telephone): Nothing at all. Just due to her circumstances, we wanted to make sure she was medically OK. This was late at night, so we got

her into the hospital, we got her medically cleared. And then in the morning, the Children Service`s board from the county where she resided

came in and actually -- they took custody of her and they handled placing her in a safe and secure environment --

JACKSON: Amen to that.

BOLDIN (via telephone): -- until her home life can be sorted out.

JACKSON: Absolutely. As to him, if you can just tell us what prosecution he`s facing at this point?

BOLDIN (via telephone): Well, he had all of his initial charges, all of the fraud-related charges. The most important one or serious one of course, the

interference with parental custody involving the girl.

Just in the last hour or so, before he was arrested, he managed to rack up a number of other charges including two felony, fleeing and alluding from

police, being involved in a injury accident, and then fleeing the scene on foot, which is a felony.

JACKSON: And inspector, not to interrupt you, but as you were talking, we were looking at what he was looking at. And it says eight different

jurisdictions this guy has to answer to. As we see it again, felony warrants in eight jurisdictions.

You`re putting in some work. Interference with custody, you mentioned that. Robbery, theft, you know, all-around nice guy it appears. Fraud, passing

bad checks, receiving stolen property.

Inspector, I know you`re with the U.S. Marshals, is this a felony prosecution by the U.S. government, or will the various states bring him to

justice, or both?

BOLDIN (via telephone): Our portion of the investigation as U.S. Marshal is strictly to aid our state and local partners in bringing these fugitives to

justice and in locating critically missing or endangered juveniles, children. So, our part is again locating and arresting him, and locating

and returning the child to a safe environment.

His state charges are being investigated by numerous local law enforcement agencies. Obviously, we share everything that we uncover during our

investigation to aid them in their prosecutions. It will be these various state and local agencies that will actually prosecute him for his variety

of offenses.

JACKSON: Well, inspector, he has got a lot of answering to do. Let me turn to Mark Tate, our trial attorney, to talk about that. Obviously, Mark, the

14-year-old is not with mom.

TATE: Right.

JACKSON: There`s a reason for that?

TATE: Right. I think it`s very interesting and important to know here is that Inspector Boldin is involved in this with the United States Marshal

Service because he`s a senior sex offender investigator. And we know from our work at my firm and other places through various groups and outreach to

sex abuse victims that these are very difficult cases to prosecute. In this instance, it`s a 14-year-old girl.

JACKSON: You think that it will be difficult to prosecute in this case?

TATE: I think if you don`t have the types of

[18:45:00] resources that got behind this case, it can be difficult to prosecute.

JACKSON: In general.

TATE: In general.

JACKSON: OK.

TATE: Here, the mother has already been arrested for giving false information to investigators.

JACKSON: In terms of how how her child actually separated from her and missing.

TATE: So, the mother --

JACKSON: As we look, it`s right there, right?

TATE: And so that is just one element that makes things difficult. Also, this is a 14-year-old girl. She is absolutely incapable of consenting to

this type of an adult sexual relationship in anyway, it`s statutory rape. And so in addition to his kidnapping, in addition to that, apparently she`s

pregnant and she`s 14 years old.

If that`s the case, and he`s the father, then he`s guilty of statutory rape. And he`s going to have to face prosecution for that. And so I think

it took a great deal of effort on all sides here to track them down and obviously to execute the arrest and make sure the young girl was safe.

This guy`s obviously got problems in multiple jurisdictions. You`re exactly right that they`re all separate sovereigns in every single state and county

in which he committed a crime, including federal crimes that he committed. He can face prosecution.

JACKSON: He`s going to need to face prosecution. If I could just go back to you, inspector, are you there? Are you with us?

BOLDIN (via telephone): Yes, I am.

JACKSON: So, inspector, on the issue of ultimately bringing him to justice, any concern or was there any confrontation that involved him and the

authorities, when ultimately he was captured?

BOLDIN (via telephone): Yes. The arrest did not go smoothly. When we first observed his vehicle, we were in unmarked cars, we did not know exactly

where he was. We had an idea of the neighborhood he was going to be in.

When our first car encountered him, he saw them right away and he engaged in initial pursuit. We were in unmarked cars and we weren`t able to keep up

with him or say we have been able to pursue him even though we have emergency equipment in our unmarked vehicles.

And that all lasted maybe three minutes at the most. And then after that, maybe 15 to 20 minutes later, another police jurisdiction had heard our

broadcast of his vehicle description and picked the chase back up.

JACKSON: I just want to play a little sound, we have it. Apparently a woman was hit by him. Excuse me, he ran into a car, and we have that. I just want

you to react to it, coming out of it.

(START VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We thought they were getting out to check on us. Instead, they jumped out and they ran. I knew somebody was in big trouble.

That somebody was running because they were in trouble. I thought they were running because they hit us, you know. And I had no idea that there was

more to the story.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

JACKSON: So, inspector, that gives us some indication of how this did not go very smoothly for you.

BOLDIN (via telephone): No, it did not go smoothly. As I said, initially, they were able to evade us in our unmarked vehicles.

Fortunately, you know, some very alert police officer after we got this broadcast out, an officer who was familiar on some of his locations was

actually sitting on a street, you know, in between where the pursuit terminated and his mother`s house.

Saw the vehicle driving down the street and reengaged in the pursuit. So, he was probably trying to get back to mom`s house.

JACKSON: I think so.

BOLDIN (via telephone): The officers engaged in the chase in their marked vehicles, as he was getting off a highway off-ramp, that`s when he struck

another vehicle and he got out and ran.

JACKSON: Yes, well, he didn`t get far, did he? So, great work to you, inspector, we appreciate that, everyone safe and sound, most importantly

that 14-year-old girl, and keep up the wonderful work in law enforcement. Thanks so much.

And so next, a violent confrontation between a Texas mom, her teen daughter, and a police officer is caught on camera. And now, the family is

taking the officer to court. Those details, that`s next.

(START VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get on the ground! Get on the ground now! Get on the ground!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get on the ground!

(END VIDEO CLIP)

[18:50:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

JACKSON: A Texas mom has filed a federal lawsuit claiming that a Fort Worth police officer used excessive force on her and her daughter. The disturbing

incident was caught on video which we are looking at as they argue. That`s Jacqueline Craig and William Martin. It quickly escalates and only gets

more heated until Officer Martin wrestles the mom to the ground then arrests her and the girl.

(START VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why are you yelling at me?

JACQUELINE CRAIG, FILED LAWSUIT AGAINST POLICE OFFICER: Because you pissed me off telling me what I teach my kids and what I don`t.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If you keep yelling at me, you`re going to piss me off and I`m going to take you to jail.

CRAIG: OK.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get on the ground! Get on the ground now! Get on the ground!

CRAIG: (INAUDIBLE) you`re on live!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hey, go on your back!

CRAIG: You`re on live!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE).

(END VIDEO CLIP)

JACKSON: Yes, the lawsuit doesn`t specify how much money Craig is seeking in damages. The incident erupted after Craig and a neighbor got into a

dispute over litter. Craig said that the neighbor had choked her seven- year-old son. Trial attorney Mark Tate joins me now. Justified, not justified? Always troubling --

TATE: It`s outrageous.

JACKSON: -- when you see a situation escalate.

TATE: No, no, no. First of all, it`s well known and well documented that we have a continuing problem with excessive use of force by police. This is

also bringing back into question the whole racial divide between cops, law enforcement, and the African-American community.

That`s why we see NFL players taking a knee to date during the national anthem. These officers overreacted in a way that I think is emblematic of

law enforcement arrogance. This particular law enforcer officer got upset - -

JACKSON: Right.

TATE: -- because she said, you can`t tell me what I am going to teach my kid. And you, she said, pissed me off. He said, well, you know, you`re

going to piss me off.

JACKSON: Right.

TATE: You don`t have the right not to get mad, OK?

JACKSON: That`s the issue that I have.

TATE: You don`t --

JACKSON: Let me just tell you. The issue is, listen. You know, police encounters are difficult. We know police have a tough job, but you have to

use your discretion in a way where you don`t lose your temper, right?

TATE: Right. It is called deescalation.

JACKSON: Exactly. Deescalate the situation, don`t escalate it. People that are yelling and screaming at you all day and night, but you have to bring

it to this point. And that is all I am saying.

[18:55:00] You could calm her down, look, lady, I am just trying to do my job, easy, but do you have to taser and get --

TATE: You know, here is the thing about that. You`re exactly right. And what did he solve? Nothing. That officer didn`t solve one thing. All he had

to do, and you always have as an option, walk away.

JACKSON: Walk away.

TATE: Walk away.

JACKSON: We know this, Mark. We got a lawsuit here, and we`ll see how it resolves itself.

TATE: I think it`s a good lawsuit too, it makes good points.

JACKSON: We`re going to see.

TATE: Yes.

JACKSON: So, moving forward. It`s hard to hide from the police when you`re on the run. It`s even harder still, when you look like this. Somehow this

guy alluded arrest for more than three weeks. How could this happen?

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

JACKSON: Last month, cops say that this guy, Corey Hughes, walked away from an inmate work crew he was assigned to. The thinking was it wouldn`t take

long for a guy with a skull tattooed on his face to be found and returned to jail. But that thinking was incorrect.

It took three weeks for him to be found. And investigators with the California Fugitive Task Force were tipped off that he was hiding in a home

in Stockton. Now, Hughes is back in San Joaquin County Jail, and everyone is now wondering why did it take so long to find him.

[19:00:00] Straight ahead, a desperate manhunt in California for a suspect who police say is randomly shooting at passing cars. The next hour of

"Crime and Justice" starts right now.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My boss got shot through her window in a car.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Random shootings.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We are working hard to find you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Ten reports of shooting have been taken by deputy.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We will hold you responsible.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Can you send an ambulance?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police say it was an elaborate plan to win back an ex- girlfriend. It ended with her gag chain and driven through states.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He dragged me out of the place, and I fought so hard because I was like, this is how you die.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The rescue on the main dragged -- Morgan seemingly unfazed.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I knew somebody was in big trouble.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He left town with his underage relative, who is believed to be pregnant with his child and they barreled in to this couple`s car.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We thought they were getting out to talk to us, and instead they jumped out and they ran.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I anticipate that he`s not going to get out for a long time.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

JOEY JACKSON, HLN HOST: Talk about frightening. Now imagine driving home from work and you hear gunshots. And it`s not some old car backfiring, but

real bullets that are firing. Right now, that`s exactly what has been happening in California for over the past month. A loud bang startles on

suspecting drivers as another car passes going in the opposite direction. It has already happened ten different times. Seemingly at random, when no

one else is around. And the sheriff investigating the cases is around Fresno says it`s only a matter of time before one of these bullets kills

someone.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SHERIFF MARGARET MIMS, FRESNO COUNTY SHERIFF`S OFFICE: To the suspect. This is a cowardly act. And we are working very hard to find you. We will hold

you responsible. If this keeps going, it is going to be a matter of time before we have a murder investigation.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

JACKSON: Tonight the search is on for the shooter. And joining me now is sheriff Margaret Mims with the Fresno County sheriff`s office. We are also

joined by Ryan Kerns, a reporter with the wildabouttiral.com. CNN law enforcement analyst and retired FBI supervisory special agent James

Gagliano remains here, and trial attorney Mark Tate as well.

And so let`s go right to our reporter on the story.

What is going on in this jurisdiction? And how close are we to making sense of what`s going on? Ryan Kerns?

RYAN KERNS, REPORTER, WILDABOUTTRIAL.COM: We have ten separate shootings between November 27th and December 17th. Ten separate shootings, eight in

Fresno County, two in neighboring Broderick (ph) County. The real difficulty is that we don`t have any actual eyewitnesses of the person or

of the vehicle itself. All we know is it`s a raised pickup truck, a dark truck that is driving past these vehicles as bullets are being fired.

There`s a multiagency manhunt for this vehicle, for the identity of the person as well as a $7,000 reward. We are trying to get all the people in

the local community to be aware that if there`s any damage to their car or while they`re driving, report it immediately. Because one of the

difficulties with this case has been the lack of or delayed reporting when somebody gets hit with one of these bullets. They may think it`s a rock.

They may think it is something else. But people are not reporting it quickly enough to law enforcement in order for them to get accurate

research into who the car belongs to.

JACKSON: Yes. And we certainly need them to report right away.

Ryan, standby because we actually the sheriff who is really dealing with this and doing the best that she can, certainly, to bring some justice to

it.

So sheriff, thank you for being here, sheriff Mims, that is.

So take us through, are we any closer to finding or determining what is going on in this area?

MIMS (on the phone): Well, what we do have is some ballistic evidence that is going to help us solve this case. But I will tell you, since we have

really started making this public, we have had no shootings now in nine days.

But our public is stepping up, I will tell you that we have, just today, I heard from a local business who has increased the reward for the - any help

we can get on this, now it`s up to $10,000 for any anonymous tip that we get through our local crime stoppers to hold those accountable.

JACKSON: Thank goodness, sheriff. And as you were speaking, we were looking at the reported shootings. It showed the radius of which these shootings

were happening. It listed out the first one, the second one, and the times that all this is occurring.

And let me just ask you. You mentioned ballistic evidence. Are you at liberty to share with us what that ballistic evidence is? Is it from

weapon, several weapons, different weapons? Could you give us any insight as to that?

[19:05:00] MIMS: Well, I can tell you that the evidence that we do have will pull the case together. I can`t be specific on what it is. And Fresno

County here in central California is very large. It is 6,000 square miles. We are larger than three states of the union. The area where this is

happening is 110 square miles and very rural. So we count on the public`s help in partnering with us to solve these crimes, no matter how much

personnel we put out there, that`s a lot of territory to cover.

JACKSON: It certainly is, sheriff. And in terms of the public south, that is why we so appreciate you being here to get the word out and certainly

here in CRIME AND JUSTICE. We are trying to get that word out.

I want to go, though, to the description. We have, apparently, a description of the vehicle, and a pickup truck. The crew cab is extended.

It`s a lifted body. It has oversized tires, as we look at it there.

And can I ask you, the ten different shootings, is the reporting consistent with regard to it being this pickup truck, how there are inconsistent

reports, could there be other trucks involved? Take us through that?

MIMS: Sure, consistently, we have this description of the vehicle. Remember that this is occurring while both vehicles are in motion as they are

passing. So even the glimpse that the victim sees is just that, it`s a glimpse of what the other vehicle is. And what`s interesting is the suspect

vehicle is making sure, there are no other vehicles around. So when they decide to choose to shoot at another vehicle, they are usually the only two

vehicles on the roadway.

I have another concern that we are only really getting a glimpse of how many of these instances we really have. How many times has this shooter

missed a vehicle? And we will never know about it. That`s very concerning to me that we could have -- we would have had even more victims out there.

And I`m very serious when I say, this needs to stop. We need to find who is responsible because this is indiscriminate shooting. And it is just a

matter of time before we do have a murder investigation.

JACKSON: That is without question, sheriff Mims. We know you are doing the best you can in terms of getting justice here and finding who is

responsible for this.

But on that note, I know that you have additional resources that have been deployed to deal with this, what exactly does that mean? What resources are

there? Is there a task force? Are you stepping up patrol? Are more people being hired? What kind of resources are in place?

MIMS: Sure. In addition to your public because I have always said, you know, crime fighting is a team sport. The public is part of that team. But

in addition, we have help from the California highway patrol, and the of course the Madeira County sheriff`s office. Sheriff (INAUDIBLE) has been

great to work with as well as additional resources from our sheriff`s office here in Fresno County. We have got all - we have really combined

many of our units together to go out and address this very serious problem.

JACKSON: Absolutely. And sheriff, if I can just ask you, what we heard from Ryan Kerns, he was a reporter for widlabouttrial. He is still with us. But

if I can ask you, sheriff, there`s some issue with the delayed reporting, people not reporting the shots right away, people waiting as long as three

days, is that a function of you think they didn`t know they were shot at, or - I mean, how does someone wait that period of time to let you know? I`m

sure that complicates your effort to find who it is as well.

MIMS: Delayed reporting is definitely a problem. Many times some of the victims would think that it was a rock, you know, thrown up by the tires of

the other vehicle. And when they were able to inspect the damage, they realized it was more than just rock damage.

However, some of them have waited like up to three days before they call us. What we are asking the public to do is immediately, first and foremost,

get to a location of safety. We don`t want you to put yourself at risk and then call us as soon as possible even if you think it could be a rock.

Let us determine that. We will respond. We will make the determination on how accurate the report is. If it was in fact the bullet or something else,

I don`t want the public to try and second guess whether or not they are right or wrong. It`s not too much trouble for us. If you call us. Call us

when you have an instance where you believe this could be possible. We are certainly not going to feel like we are being bothered. We need the

public`s help.

JACKSON: We certainly do.

Sheriff, we appreciate you being on the case. Don`t go anywhere, though, I just want to turn to - stay right there sheriff, if we can. I want to turn

to our law enforcement personnel. That`s James Gagliano as well as Mark Tate.

James, let me start with you. I want to play a 911 tape because this has got to be harrowing, alright. And I will ask you about your experiences.

And this is not unique. We had one in Phoenix. There was one in D.C. But there`s a 911 tape that I just want to play and we will talk about it, OK?

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: 9/11. State your emergency.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Either a rock or someone just shot my boss.

[19:10:01] UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Somebody shot your boss?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think someone -- my boss here got shot through her window in the car. Can you send an ambulance?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. Did she get hit?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, she is bleeding.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hold on, OK? Hold on. I`m going to get the paramedics started and a deputy.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hold on. Stay on the phone. And I just want to confirm again, you guys did not see anybody shooting?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We did not see --.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You were just driving by and it went through the window, OK.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She just felt like she was shot.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. Do you see the officers?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do I see who?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The police officers?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. Go ahead and talk to them and let them know what`s going on, OK?

(END VIDEOTAPE)

JACKSON: James Gagliano and Mark Tate here.

So James, I couldn`t even begin to imagine you are driving in a car, you get shot at by another car. How does law enforcement, and we know sheriff

Mims is doing her job in conjuncture with other office who we are glad are we helping, how do you begin to unravel this?

JAMES GAGLIANO, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Joey, the most difficult part of this is it is a kinetic crime scene. It`s not static. Typically, we put

the police tape around it. We put things over the top to protect it from the element. We make sure there all the evidence stays in one place.

JACKSON: Exactly.

GAGLIANO: In this, the harvesting of the forensic evidence is difficult because sometimes as we reported, the witnesses are coming in or the

potential victims are coming in three or four days late. They are not exactly sure where this happened. It makes it very difficult.

It took me back 15 years ago, 2002, you just referenced it, John Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo, the two D.C. snipers. Over the course of 23 days, the

two of them, 23 days, and this has been ongoing for what about, 10 days, but 23 days they were able to kill 10 people. Now, they were shooting from

a static position. The reason why I don`t like - think that we don`t have actual murders so far and we are lucky and thankful and blessed, is because

it is a moving vehicle shooting at a moving vehicle.

Remember, when a bullet hits things like cars, like the frame of the car, with the glass, a safety glass, it refracts the bullet. So people are

getting caught with pieces at shrapnel or pieces of the glass. Thankfully, nobody dead yet.

JACKSON: Thankfully. And if I could ask you, Mark. I mean, look. The sheriff eluded to the fact that there are ballistics here. That`s very

helpful. There`s a description of this pickup truck which appears to be consistent. I`m presuming that all of that is very helpful in finding out

who did this.

MARK TATE, TRIAL ATTORNEY: It is helpful. But I mean, you are a lawyer. You know, eyewitness identification is --

JACKSON: Not reliable.

TATE: Not reliable. But I really think where you press the sheriff who is clearly working very hard to try to catch this, scout this thing, I think

when you pushed her on, do you have forensics, do you have ballistics, and she said we have things I`m not going to tell you about.

JACKSON: And she can, that`s fair.

TATE: Sure. That`s going to tie this case together. And I think what she is talking about is much like Lebowski`s rug, they have evidence that`s going

to tie it together. Yes, I`m not suspicion as they try that the ballistics are going to show it`s all fired from the same type of gun.

JACKSON: Now, that would be key because now it would demonstrate that there is one person, right? Or there`s people who are acting collectively, but

there`s not random people going around doing this.

Sheriff, if I could just ask you. Hopefully you are still there, sheriff Mims. How are you reassuring the community? I`m sure that they are - I

mean, frightened to death. You mentioned this is a large land mass that we are talking about, how do you reassure a community that, you know, people

are going to be OK?

MIMS: That`s very difficult. And part of this is enlisting their help. Making sure that they -- I empower them to call us and report and make sure

that they feel like they are part of the solution on this. It`s very difficult too to really pinpoint times when this happened. It appears the

pattern is during commutes.

Early in the morning, like between 6:40 and 7:30 in the morning. And we have had three shootings then. And then we have had seven shootings happen

between 2:20 and 4:40 in the afternoon.

So just putting out that information about these seem to be the times of day when these shootings are occurring. We have one outlier that happened

like at 9:30 in the evening, at night. So really, just putting out as much information as I can out there, to reassure the public and to make them

feel part of the problem solving. This is all about all of us working together to try and get the information we need to tie this up.

JACKSON: Absolutely. And that`s what we need.

Ryan Kern, let me go back to you. What latest reports do we have regarding what`s going on in this particular case?

KERN: Well, as the sheriff has alluded to, the most recent shooting in this case was December 17th. So it actually has been a significant amount of

time since the last shooting, whether that means that the shooter has received news of the story or the public awareness has prevented the

shooter from engaging in other activities although the holidays simply just prevented him or her from engaging the shooting. It is a good sign that

there has been a good amount of time since the most recent shooting. Really, the most recent reports are simply what is coming out from law

enforcement. And that is finding out what is being done to investigate this crime. And we look forward to find out what the ballistic says from ten

separate shootings with ten separate ballistics accounts. There may be a time line or a pattern developing as to who or what may be responsible for

this case.

[19:15:26] JACKSON: Well, that`s key, Ryan. Because Ryan kern, because if you get that certain pattern, then people like sheriff Mims who are looking

to bring this person or persons into justice will hopefully be able to do that.

Sheriff, just going back to you one moment for last word on this. You mentioned the times that they are occurring. One, you mentioned 6:40 to

7:30. That`s of concern. People are commuting. So maybe more people on the road. And then 2:20 to 4:40, again, as we look at this circle here, which

shows the radius of the shootings. What time and date that they occurred here. And so obviously, it`s of heightened concern when the shootings are

during those periods of the day, correct?

MIMS: Sure it is. It absolutely is a concern. And so that tells us either something about -- I think probably more about the shooter than it does the

victims. The victims don`t appear to have anything in common, except they are in an area alone, only with the suspect. So I think the pattern

actually says more about the suspect than it says about the victims. When we try to solve crimes in law enforcement, we look at three major things,

the victim, the suspect and the location. And this really tells us more about the location and the suspect when we look at the pattern.

JACKSON: Sheriff Mims, we are grateful to you. Please, I know you get a wrap on this, find them, find them quickly. Appreciate you joining us.

Last word, gentlemen, a minute left, James?

GAGLIANO: One thing here for law enforcement, difficult needle to thread. You want the bad guy to raise their head so they make a mistake and you can

move in and effect an arrest. But you don`t want anybody being injured in the process.

JACKSON: Exactly.

GAGLIANO: Difficult needle to thread.

JACKSON: Exactly.

TATE: Well, and I think the sheriff is doing the exact right thing by keeping information close to the vest. And I think they probably have a lot

more ideas about what is going on and what she is able to share with us right now.

JACKSON: Well, let us hope that they have those ideas because random shootings, I think that makes all of us quite nervous.

So thanks so much for being here. We appreciate both of you. Thanks so much.

A Las Vegas woman is rescued from the back of a van wearing only her underwear.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, my God, thank you.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was chained down by the neck.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He dragged me out of the place and I fought so hard because I was like this is how you die.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

JACKSON: Now her kidnapper has his day in court. Details straight ahead.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[19:21:58] JACKSON: To say that this next story is bizarre would be an understatement. Now police respond to an early morning about a kidnapping.

A man describes seeing his neighbor being dragged out of her apartment wearing only her underwear. And she was bound, gagged and chained before

being thrown into the back of a van. Hours later, police found that van and it was all caught on video.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, my God, thank you.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She is chained down buy the neck.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He dragged me out of the place and I fought so hard because I was like this is how you die.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m really frightened. I`m (INAUDIBLE). But I have preferred to be called Sophia.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

JACKSON: Now the man you saw walking in the street was no stranger to the victim. It was actually the woman`s ex-boyfriend. And you can see her in

the back of that van as well.

Now according to court documents, Jack Morgan kidnapped his ex with plans to take her to a cave, you him there, chain her inside and brainwash her to

be his wife. I told you it was bizarre. He is now facing possible life in prison.

Joining me now, Eddy Aragon, the host of "The Rock of Talk," ABQ 93.7. Also back with us, CNN law enforcement analyst, James Gagliano. And trial

attorney Mark Tate.

And so to you, Rock. We are not talking about rock, we are talking about this story. But so, take us through the story, if you don`t mind. What is

going on here?

EDDY ARAGON, HOST, THE ROCK OF TALK, ABQ 93.7 FM: So basically, Jack stalked his victim on social media for about a year. Before essentially

reaching out to her and then met her for coffee, he followed her home and found out where she live. He got her about a year ago now, as we are

looking at it. And you saw the harrowing video right there. And then police arrested him. And also a transgender woman, Samuel, who identified as

Sophie, as they were trying to transport all the way back to New Mexico. And what he was trying to do was -- he was trying to bring home a wife. He

choked her several times during the kidnapping. He tried to hug tie her. But essentially what he was trying to do is wrangle a wife back to New

Mexico. And he is now been not just indicted, but criminally charged as of just a few days ago on December 19th and under count two that is. And this

falls imprisonment and intentionally confining, restraining her without her consent. And not knowing that she had no lawful authority to do so.

JACKSON: Just to clear, Eddy, regarding that now, was he convicted of this? I know there were two people.

ARAGON: There was a plea agreement. Sophie, aka Samuel, is off. She identifies as a woman. She is 19 years of age. Jack is now 32, 31 at the

time of committing the crime. But he is now awaiting sentencing on count number two, that is, and that`s intentionally confining or restraining her

without her consent. But a very bizarre story to say the least. So they did make a plea agreement. And the younger of the two, the 32-year-old and the

19-year-old getting together. The 19-year-old basically plead her way out of it.

[19:25:15] JACKSON: All right. So just to be clear, before we get to our attorney and our law enforcement official, so there are two people that

were involved in this, if I`m correct, right?

ARAGON: Absolutely.

JACKSON: And one of them actually went to trial, is that accurate? The other is the person who plead guilty?

ARAGON: 32-year-old Jack Morgan is the one who plead guilty through this. It is the plea agreement. And the other one pled out basically exonerating

herself in this. And the second one is the one who got convicted as of December 19th.

JACKSON: OK. So standby, just want to play a sound here of the suspect singing, amazing grace, if you can believe it, told you the story was a bit

bizarre, and then we will react to it after we see it. Let`s hear it.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ma`am.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, I don`t.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s pretty good.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I do what I can.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Wear shoes next time.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

JACKSON: So James Gagliano, I know you have seen some strange things in your life as an FBI agent. Is this one of the strangest?

GAGLIANO: Bizarre and could have been so much worse, Joey. I mean, we are happy that the woman is safe. In situations like this, just to unpack this

for your viewer, this is a kidnapping case, obviously, unlawful imprisonment. And states have that on their statutes now, so they can

prosecute them. This isn`t like back in the `30s and `40s when the Lindbergh baby was kidnapped and the FBI had sole per view. FBI`s focused

now is on different things. They assist in kidnaping cases. But this will be prosecute probably at the state level.

JACKSON: So just -- federal and state can actually do it?

GAGLIANO: Yes.

JACKSON: And just going back into this, Mark, I will bring you into this. My understanding is, is that it was a prosecution, right. The feds have

taken up the prosecution of this. And that one of them has pled guilty. That is the one who dragged her out. The other one turned state`s evidence?

TATE: Yes. It sounds like what happened is, the old FBI law enforcement trick is they turned a witness and that witness entered into a plea

agreement.

JACKSON: That`s what the FBI does.

TATE: Right. And we are glad they do that in some cases. And this is the perfect kind of case for it because there is a witness who can give motive

and opportunity to this to the prosecutions so that they can convict this guy who is clearly crazy. Something`s really bad wrong. I mean, if that`s

the best way he can find a wife, he has got some serious, serious issues. And he has got a life sentence either way.

JACKSON: As an understatement. We have another sound from a neighbor who witnessed this, James. Before we get into that, I just want to ask you,

though. You know, Mark talked about turning states evidence, right. You get one person against the other. And it was the actual other person who they

found on conspiracy. They plead guilty. How effective of a law enforcement tool do you find that, to offer one a plea deal, other one goes to trial,

and guess who shows up to testify against that person.

GAGLIANO: You know how this works too, working in defense. Once you bring two people in conspiracy together, you never put them on the back on the

same patrol car. You always want to separate them because you want to be able to determine the veracity of their stories and then work through it

that way, as opposed to having them together being able to come up and concoct a scheme.

And yet, this is probably - they probably figured out that the number two guy was not the one that was the brains behind the operation, if any brains

were used at all. And so, they are probably going to put some pressure on him and hopefully that turns on the main.

JACKSON: Without question.

So let`s go to the second sound. This is actually of a neighbor who witness the kidnapping. If we can just play that and we will talk about it after.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SKY LI, NEIGHBOR, WITNESSED KIDNAPPING: And I saw him, very suspicious as he walking around. So I pulled over and got out of my car and then he just

walked away.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

JACKSON: So Eddy, if you are still with us, take us through that. How important was it with the other witnesses who are there to bring this

person to justice or people in this case.

ARAGON: Well, I think though the heroes in all this. If they didn`t` - if they weren`t aware of this happening, God only knows what would have

happened to her last January 30th. So without that type of notification, letting it out, this woman would likely be dead.

As you heard, they were -- she was supposed to come back to New Mexico to be chained up in a cave, in northern New Mexico. In a place in (INAUDIBLE)

County where almost nobody goes. If you think about some of the backdrops or what we have in Northern Mexico in movies, it`s a very desolate place up

there in northern Mexico. So there is likely nobody would ever have found her. She would have been a missing person case. Assumed dead at that point.

But yes, as your previous guest said, not very smart the way they thought about it. And chaining her to the back, you know, in the back of the van,

with nothing more than her underwear, bound, gagged, hug tight, thank God that they heard something and they notify authorities.

JACKSON: Yes. You know, we also have another sound I want to play which is up a neighbor the night before and we`ll listen to that and then we`ll get

some reaction opinion.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SKY LI, NEIGHBOR, WITNESSED KIDNAPPING: And I saw him, very suspicious, he`s walking around, so I pulled over and got out of my car and then he

just walked away.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

JACKSON: James Gagliano, let me go to you. Community involvement, right? Bring people to justrce, I know law enforcement does its work and they do a

great job but you can`t do it alone.

JAMES GAGLIANO, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: No. And it goes back to the original see-something, say-something type thing which is something looks

out of place. In the 21st century now, have you to go to law enforcement, you`ve got to, you know, relay that information. We also teach people not

to walk around oblivious, and there`s a thing called coopers colors which says, when you`re in condition white, that means you`re walking around

oblivious to your surroundings. You don`t need to walk around hyper, you know, code red but you do need to have some semblance of awareness of your

surroundings and where you at all times.

JACKSON: You know, Mark, that`s -- it`s very significant.

MARK TATE, TRIAL ATTORNEY: Well, I was just going to put in many instances, the thing that makes a difference to stop a kidnapping and a rape,

sometimes is video surveillance. In this particular incidence, it happened to be layperson surveillance who was able to come forward and help law

enforcement. But we see in premises liability cases all the time, where there`s an assailant, and video surveillance when properly monitored can

actually help law enforcement not only prevent but also apprehend, you know, assailants like this.

JACKSON: Without question, Mark. And nowadays, of course, viewers know this, you got cell phones, you got all kind of things that can capture

people on tape, and that`s helpful to you guys and law enforcement to bring matters to justice. Stand by. All right. Thank you.

This next story, cops in Massachusetts say that this woman, see it there, that`s Melissa Allen. She was trying to steal more than $1,000 worth of

merchandise from a local Target store when she was arrested. Now, the crazy thing is, there were 50 to 75 police officers who were at that Target when

she was caught. Now, they were there for a Shop with a Cop event that benefits kids in needs, when a Target employee saw Allen try to leave the

store with a bin loaded with goods. It`s hard to imagine how she missed them but she apparently did. And now she`s facing a number of charges,

including larceny of more than $250. Good police work.

And a missing pregnant 14-year-old, now she was on the run for weeks with her felon cousin. She`s been found and so has he. We`ll go inside the hunt

and capture of Louis Jacob with one of the U.S. Marshalls who tracked him down. That`s next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[19:36:59] JACKSON: For three weeks, we`ve been following the story of a missing pregnant 14-year-old girl. Now, the teen had been spotted in

several places with her much older cousin, he was a wanted felon, believed to be the father of her unborn child. Now tonight we`ve learned that the

two have been found, and that cousin, you seem there, 32-year old Louis Jakab is behind bars. Investigators tell us that the pay of travel, more

than 500 miles, making it as far Virginia Beach but they were finally caught back at home in Northern Ohio.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

PETE ELLIOT, U.S. MARSHAL: (INAUDIBLE) for a long time. We`re not going to give her back to the mother. So, at this point, that`s why she`s turned

over to the Summit County Children Services Department.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

JACKSON: Now, I want to take you inside the investigation tonight. And find out how authorities actually caught up with them, not far from where the

story actually started. To do that, we have Senior Inspector Bill Boldin, he is the SEC offender investigations coordinator from the U.S. Marshal

Service. He joins us from Cleveland. Thank you, sir, so much for joining us. And we of course have with us still Trial Attorney Mark Tate, he`s here

again.

TATE: Thank you.

JACKSON: Thank you. All right. So take us through this, Investigator Boldin. First though, congratulations, you -- and most importantly, this

14-year-old is safe and sound. You have the felon fugitive who is in custody and under control. Great work by you and your team. How did you

bring him to justice?

BILL BOLDIN, SENIOR INSPECTOR, U.S. MARSHALS SERVICE (via telephone): So, this is a unique case. Everyone knows how we use technology to catch

people, how their technology catches up with them. However in this case, both of them dumped their technology almost immediately, stayed off of

social media, stayed of their phones. And so this involved a lot of -- I would call it old fashioned police work. Witness interviews, talking to

people, researching records and most importantly in this case, are tips from the public. We received numerous tips from the public which ultimately

led us to his final location.

JACKSON: You know, Inspector, that`s such a great thing because it shows that law enforcement, as effective as you are, you always need community

involvement and support, and you mentioned before, you know, the surveillance. You didn`t have a dump there, a technological devices. We

actually have a full screen of the route that they took when they were actually on the run. So how did you do it? Did you look at the full screen

there which show and if you look at the map close to you at home, you see there are arrows pointing in the direction from where it is, Ohio to

Virginia, and then the arrow actually points back. And so, what exactly did you do and what help did you get from the community and also this show, I

might add, in order to bring this person to justice and find this girl safe?

BOLDIN: Well, once it started being publicized on a national level we received -- like I said, we received a lot of calls, and the unfortunate

part is most of these callers were telling us some place where they had seen both of these people, you know, a day before or three days before or

four days before.

[19:40:04] We work at the information of exactly where they were right when that person was calling. But what that did is that allowed us to identify a

pattern, come up with their path of travel, if you will. You know, the two gas stations where they drove off from they were -- you know, those were a

national gas station chain. Somebody recognized the name. Somebody in that town remembered that they had filed a local police report about a drive-

off. And we were able to put together that in (INAUDIBLE) that was our same person. Same thing with the hotel chain. He has a couple certain national

hotel chains, and for whatever reason, he was very fond of, and it was their own, you know, their own staff after seeing the news realizing he had

been frequenting their hotels, notified their corporate offices and return contact at us. And then we were able to develop that pattern of where he

was staying and where they were going.

JACKSON: Amen to that. And so, if I could -- you know, it`s interesting as you -- as we see the full screen of it, direction of travel, it`s almost

like they came home for the holidays, right? You leave Ohio, you travel then you go to Virginia then you go back up and finally, as you see there

on the 21st, Cleveland, Ohio, man arrested and the girl found. So on that point, Inspector, before we get our attorney, Mark Tate involved, if I can

just ask you, what happens to them now in terms of the fugitive felon who is 33 years old and he was on the run, he has her, she`s 14-year-old. What

happens to him, and then of course what happens and where is she?

BOLDIN: You know, I`d like to start out with what happens to her, she was obviously our most -- the most important aspect of this.

JACKSON: Absolutely.

BOLDIN: She was taken to a local hospital just for observation and to be checked out due to the circumstances surrounding all of this.

JACKSON: Was she OK?

(CROSSTALK)

JACKSON: Not to interrupt you, Inspector, but was she OK just being taken to the local hospital, anything that we need to know in terms of any

ailments, maladies that she was suffering from?

BOLDIN: Nothing at all. Just due to her -- due to her circumstances, we wanted to make sure she was medically OK. So, yuk this was late at night,

so we got her into the hospital, we got her medically cleared and then in the morning, the children services work from the county where she reside

had came in and actually -- you know, they took custody of her and they handled placing her in a safe and secure environment until her home life

can be sorted out.

JACKSON: Absolutely. And as to him, if you can tell us what prosecution he`s facing at this point?

BOLDIN: Well, he had all of his initial charges, all the fraud-related charges, the most important one, a serious one of course was the

interference with parental custody involving the girl. Just in the -- while we`re arresting her in the last hour or so there before he was arrested, he

managed to rack up a number of other charges including two felony fleeing and alluding from police. Being involved in a -- in an injury accident and

then fleeing the scene on foot which is a felony.

JACKSON: And inspector, it`s not to interrupt you, but as you were talking, we were looking at what he was looking at and it says, eight different

jurisdictions this guy has to answer to. As we see it again. Felony warrants in eight jurisdictions, you`re putting in some work, interference

with custody, you mentioned that, robbery, theft, you know, all around nice guy it appears. Fraud, passing bad checks, receiving stolen property. And

Inspector, I know you`re with the U.S. Marshalls, is this a felony prosecution by the U.S. government or will the various states bring him to

justice or both?

BOLDIN: Well, our portion of the investigation as U.S. Marshals is strictly to aid our state and local partners in bringing these fugitives to justice.

And in locating critically missing or endangered juveniles children. So, our part is again, the -- locating and arresting him, and locating and

returning the child to a safe environment. His state charges are being investigated by numerous local law enforcement agencies. Obviously we share

everything that we uncover during our investigation to aid them in their prosecutions, but it will be these various state and local agencies which

actually prosecute him for his variety of offenses.

JACKSON: Well, it`s back that he`s got a lot of answering to do. Let me turn to Mark Tate, our trial attorney to talk about that. Obviously, Mark,

the 14-year-old is not with mom.

TATE: Right.

JACKSON: There`s a reason for that.

TATE: Right, and I think it`s very interesting and important to know here is that Inspector Boldin is involved in this with the United States Marshal

Service because he`s a senior sex offender investigator. And we know from our work at my firm and other places through various groups that outreach

to sex abuse victims that these are very difficult cases to prosecute. And in this instance, it`s a 14-year-old girl.

JACKSON: You think it will be difficult to prosecute in this case?

[19:45:01] TATE: I think if you don`t have the types of resources that got behind this case, it can be difficult to prosecute.

JACKSON: In general.

TATE: In general.

JACKSON: OK.

TATE: Here, the mother has already been arrested for giving false information to investigators.

JACKSON: In terms of how her child actually got separated from her and why missing.

TATE: So the mother --

(CROSSTALK)

JACKSON: As we look at right there, right?

TATE: And so, that`s just one element that makes thing difficult. And also, this is a 14-year-old girl, she`s absolutely incapable of consenting to

this type of an adult sexual relationship in anyway, it`s statutory rape. And so in addition to his kidnapping, in addition to that, apparently she`s

pregnant and, you know, she`s 14 years old, if that`s the case, and he`s the father, then he`s guilty of statutory rape. And he`s going to have to

face prosecution for that. And so, I think it took a great deal of effort on all sides here to track them down and obviously to execute the arrest

and make sure the young girl was safe. But this guy`s obviously got problems in multiple jurisdictions.

JACKSON: Absolutely.

TATE: You`re exactly right that they`re separate sovereigns, and every single state and county in which he committed a crime and including Federal

crimes that he committed, he can face prosecution.

JACKSON: He`s going to need to face prosecution. And o, if I could just go back to you, Inspector, are you there? Are you with us?

BOLDIN: Yes, I am.

JACKSON: So, Inspector, on the issue of ultimately bringing him to justice, any concern or was there any confrontation that involved him and the

authorities? When ultimately he was captured?

BOLDIN: Yes. The arrest did not go smoothly, when we first observed his vehicle, we were in unmarked cars and we did not know exactly where he was,

we had an idea of the neighborhood he was going to be in. And when our first car encountered him, we saw them right away and we engage in an

initial pursuit. We were in unmarked cars and we weren`t able to keep up with him or safely even able to pursue him even though we had emergency

equipment in our unmarked vehicles. And so --

JACKSON: And Inspector --

BOLDIN: But that only lasted maybe three minutes at the most. And then after that, maybe 15 to 20 minutes later, another police jurisdiction had

heard our broadcast and his vehicle description and tipped the chase back up.

JACKSON: I just want to play a little sound we have it, it`s apparently a woman was hit by him. Excuse me, he ran into a car, and we have that, I

just want you to react to it, coming out of it.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We thought they were getting out to check on us and instead, they jumped out and they ran. I knew somebody was in big trouble

that somebody was running because they were in trouble. I thought they were just running because they hit us, you know? And I had no idea that there

was more to the story.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

JACKSON: So, Inspector, that gives us some indication of how this did not go very smoothly for you.

BOLDIN: No, it did not go smoothly. As I said, initially, they were able to evade us in our unmarked vehicles. And fortunately, you know, some very

alert police officers after we got this broadcast out, an officer who was familiar with it (INAUDIBLE) his location was actually sitting on a street,

you know, in between where the pursuit terminated and her -- and his mother`s house. Saw the vehicle driving down the street, and reengaged in

the pursuit, so he was probably trying to get back to mom`s house.

JACKSON: I think so. Inspector --

BOLDIN: The officers then engaged in -- engaged in the chase in their marked vehicles, as he was getting off a highway off-ramp, that`s when he

struck another vehicle and he got out and ran.

JACKSON: Yes. Well, he didn`t get far, did he? So, great work to you, Inspector. We appreciate that. Everyone safe and sound. Most importantly,

that 14-year-old girl and keep up the wonderful work in law enforcement. Thanks so much.

And so next, a violent confrontation between a Texas mom, her teen daughter and a police officer is caught on camera. And now the family is taking the

officer to court. Those details, that`s next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[19:52:31] JACKSON: A Texas mom has filed a Federal lawsuit claiming that a Fort Worth police officer used excessive force on her and her daughter. Now

the disturbing incident was caught on video, which we`re looking at as they argue, that`s Jacqueline Craig and William Martin, quickly escalates and

only gets more heated until Officer Martin wrestles the mom to the ground then arrests her and the girl.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

WILLIAM MARTIN, FORTH WORT POLICE: Why are you yelling at me?

JACQUELINE CRAIG, FORT WORTH MOM: Because you just pissed me off telling me what I teach my kids and what I don`t.

MARTIN: If you keep yelling, you`re going to piss me off and I`m going to take you to jail.

CRAIG: OK.

MARTIN: Get on the ground! Get on the ground now! Get on the Ground.

CRAIG: I didn`t do nothing (INAUDIBLE) did is on live.

MARTIN: Hey, go on your back.

CRAIG: I promise that you`re on live.

MARTIN: Anybody who wants to interfere, you`re going to jail too.

(CROSSTALK)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

JACKSON: Now the lawsuit doesn`t specify how much money Craig is seeking in damages. The incident erupted after Craig and a neighbor got into a dispute

over litter. Now Craig said that the neighbor had choked her seven-year-old son. Trial attorney Mark Tate joins me now. Justified? Not justified.

Always troubling when you see a situation escalate.

TATE: No, no, no. We clearly --

(CROSSTALK)

TATE: First of all, it`s well-known and well-documented and we have a continuing problem with excessive use of force by police. This is also

bringing back into question the whole racial divide between cops -- law enforcement and African-American community. That`s why we see NFL players

taking a knee today during the national anthem. These officers overreacted in a way that I think is emblematic of law enforcement arrogance. This

particular law enforcement officer got upset because she said you can`t tell me what I`m going to teach my kid and you -- and she said pissed me

off. And he said, well, you know, you`re going to piss me off, and he says, you`re going to -- and so, you don`t have the right not to get mad. OK?

JACKSON: That`s the issue that I have.

TATE: You don`t --

JACKSON: Let me just tell you. The issue is -- listen, you know, police encounters are difficult. You know, police, they have a tough job. But you

have to use discretion in a way where you don`t lose your temper.

TATE: Right.

JACKSON: Right?

TATE: It`s called de-escalation.

JACKSON: Exactly. De-escalate the situation, don`t escalate it. People going to yell and scream at you all day and all night but you have to bring

it to this point and that`s all I`m saying. You can calm her down, look lady, I`m just trying to do my job. Easy. But do you have to tase her and

get her to the ground?

TATE: Well, you know, here`s the thing about that. You`re exactly right.

[19:55:00] And what did he solve? Nothing. That officer did not solve one thing. All he had to do and you always have as an option. Walk away.

JACKSON: Walk away.

TATE: Walk away.

JACKSON: We know this, Mark, we got a lawsuit here and we`ll see how it resolves itself.

TATE: I think it`s a well-pled lawsuit, you know, it makes a good point.

JACKSON: We`re going to see.

TATE: Yes.

JACKSON: So, moving forward. It`s hard to hide from the police when you`re on the run. It`s even harder still when you look like this. But somehow

this guy eluded arrest for more than three weeks. How could this happen?

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JACKSON: Last month, cops said this guy, Corey Hughes, well, he walked away from an inmate work crew that he was assigned to. Now the thinking was that

it wouldn`t take too long for guy with a skull tattooed on his face to be found and returned to jail. But that thinking was wrong. It took three

weeks for him to be found and investigators with the California Fugitive Task Force were tipped off that he was hiding in a home in Stockton. So now

Hughes is back in San Joaquin County Jail and everyone is now wondering why did it take so long to find him? Thanks for watching everyone. We`ll see

you back here tomorrow night at 6:00 Eastern for Crime & Justice. "FORENSIC FILES" begins right now.

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