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Government Shutdown Deadline Looming This Friday; Ford Reveals the Return of the Ranger; Bill Murray Appears as Steve Bannon on SNL. Aired 7:30-8a ET

Aired January 15, 2018 - 07:30   ET



[07:31:32] CHRISTI PAUL, CNN ANCHOR: Thirty-one minutes past the hour right now.

And to keep the government running beyond this week, lawmakers have to reach a deal and then get it signed by the president. The White House says fund the wall. Democrats say, solve DACA. And Republicans say step up border security. Can they make this happen?

Joining us live from Washington, CNN White House reporter Kaitlan Collins.

Kaitlan, good morning to you. What are you hearing from there?

KAITLAN COLLINS, CNN WHITE HOUSE REPORTER: Well, Christi, we are closer to a government shutdown than we ever have been in the Trump administration and stakes are pretty high now because we are going to run out of money for funding the government in just a matter of days at this point. Now, in order to pass a spending bill, Republicans will need some Democratic support here but Democrats are insistent that there needs to be protection for dreamers attached to this spending bill. Now, that's for the DACA program, Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals. The program that President Trump rescinded in the fall and has tasked Congress with coming up with a solution to this problem.

However, the one solution that has been presented to the president by a bipartisan group of lawmakers at the White House last week, the president rejected that and that was the same meeting on immigration when the president made those very controversial comments about why are we taking more people from Haiti and why are we taking people from, quote, shithole countries like countries in Africa, something we continue to see fallout over those comments from the president on Thursday at the White House, as these negotiations are ongoing over funding the government.

Now, House Speaker Paul Ryan says he does not believe there will be a government shutdown but he also said he does not believe an immigration bill for these DACA recipients will be attached to the funding bill. So, certainly, several different messages coming out of the White House, coming from Capitol Hill, but all of this comes as the fallout from the president's remarks has continued with South Africa's government saying they are going to file a formal complaint with the United States embassy over the president's remarks, Christi.

PAUL: All right. Kaitlan Collins, thank you so much.

VICTOR BLACKWELL, CNN ANCHOR: All right. Let's talk about it. With us now, Maria Cardona, CNN political commentator and Democratic strategist, and Jack Kingston, CNN political commentator and former Republican congressman.

Good morning again, Jack. Good morning, Maria.


BLACKWELL: So, let's pick up on a point that, Kaitlan, was just introduced. The president during this open meeting on Tuesday of this week, he set his place in these negotiations clearly and Democrats thought honestly. But let's watch what the president said and then talk about what he did afterward.


DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: This group comes back, hopefully with an agreement. This group and others from the Senate, from the House comes back with an agreement. I'm signing it. I mean, I will be signing it. I'm not going to say, oh, gee, I want this or I want that. I'll be signing it.


BLACKWELL: So, Jack, that was the president on Tuesday. And then late this week, he tweeted, the so-called bipartisan DACA presented yesterday to myself and a group of Republican senators and congressmen was a big step backwards. Wall was not properly funded. Chain and lottery were made worse.

I mean, the president started by saying this is where I am in these negotiations. Is he a good-faith actor here if he then moved the ball?

JACK KINGSTON, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: You know, I think two things happened, Victor. I think, number one, the statement that he said did send somewhat of a shock wave through the Republican base, because Republicans do not like amnesty. But I think the other thing is as a negotiator, he likes to send mixed signals.

[07:35:00] We are seeing that right now, for example, in North Korea. We saw it last year on the budget deal, last April. So I think that this is part of what goes on.

Anybody who goes to a negotiating table with purity and thinks they are walking out of there keeping their purity is absolutely wrong.

BLACKWELL: Not purity but how do you negotiate with someone says this is what I want and I will sign. And you bring that to them and then they say, no, I'm not signing that.

KINGSTON: Well, I think that the Democrats have to say, listen, we are willing to keep the government open and we are going to give a little and, by the way, on the wall vote that they had, I think, in 2007, most of the Democrats who are there now, voted for the wall.

BLACKWELL: But even if that is in the bill, the president has said, I will sign whatever they bring me. They brought him something. He didn't sign it.

Maria, let me come to you with that point also.


BLACKWELL: The decision by a federal judge in California to temporarily block the administration from preventing renewals for DACA recipients, even allowing some new applications, although those are not mandated to be accepted.

Does that drain, at least from these negotiations, the urgency to get a deal done?

CARDONA: No, I don't think so. And it certainly shouldn't, because even though I am thrilled and Democrats are thrilled that judge made that decision, it's only temporary and it is not a long-term permanent solution. So, we need to go back to the drawing table and to your point, Victor, it is almost impossible to negotiate with somebody who just lies and that is what this president does. He just lies. Almost everything that comes out of his mouth is a lie.

So how can you negotiate with somebody who you --


CARDONA: Hang on, Jack! Don't interrupt me!

That you can't trust? And so, what Democrats are doing is that they are doing this in as much of a good faith as they can. They have always supported increased border security measures. Yes, they supported billions of dollars in the past getting an immigration bill because it did have increased border security measures. It was not a wall. But here is my -- here is my --

KINGSTON: They did vote for a wall it was a separate piece of legislation.


CARDONA: Here is my --

BLACKWELL: Hold on, Jack. Hold on, Jack.

CARDONA: Here is my recommendation to the Democrats if jack did zip it for a moment, is that they -- is that they accept increase border measures. Let the president call it a wall and then let's continue with making sure that we protect these almost 1 million immigrants who are as American as you and I Victor and Jack on this panel and make sure we move forward with the majority of the Americans want.

BLACKWELL: So, accept the border security funding and let the president call it a wall.

Jack, your thoughts. You wanted to jump in there.

KINGSTON: What little time my friend Maria has left for me.

Let me say there's a lot of areas where you could negotiate. E-Verify at the workplace, for example, which draws up the job magnet. Birth right citizenship which most countries have removed away from.

CARDONA: That is ridiculous.

KINGSTON: Don't interrupt.

CARDONA: That is un-American.

BLACKWELL: Hold on, America. Let him finish.

CARDONA: Chain migration would be another thing that you can negotiate and ending the visa lottery.

I mean, there is so many different jots and tittles that you could move around and come up with a good deal. But if the Democrats decide that purity and posture is more important, than they're going to shut down the government --


BLACKWELL: Hold on! Let me ask Jack. The point -- a lot of this comes down to the wall. Back in the gang of eight negotiations back in 2013, there was some changes, even a repeal to the visa diversity program, right? That was something that was negotiated.

This comes down, in many respects, to the wall. I need to know -- and I think many Americans need to know -- what for this president defines a wall? It has changed many times. Let's watch the president over the last several months to more than a year, actually.


TRUMP: It's going to be made of hardened create and made out of rebar and steel.

We will begin working on an impenetrable, physical, tall, powerful, beautiful southern border wall!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Would you accept a fence?

TRUMP: For certain areas, I would, but certain areas, the wall is more appropriate. I'm very good at this. This is called construction.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So part wall, part fence?

TRUMP: Yes, it could -- there could be some fencing.

On the fence, it's not a fence. It's a wall. You just misreported it. We are going to build a wall.

They take drugs literally and they throw it a hundred pounds of drugs, they throw it over the wall. They have catapults but they throw it over the wall and it lands and it hits somebody on the head. You don't even know they are there.

Believe it or not, this is the kind of stuff that happens. So, you need to have a great wall but it has to be -- has to be see-through.


BLACKWELL: All right. Jack, so, it's an impenetrable wall but not a fence but some fencing, but it's got to be a see-through wall.

[07:40:06] I mean, as Maria suggested, give on border security but let him call it wall, what is wall to this president?

KINGSTON: I think he does describe a wall similar to the 13-mile wall that we built in San Diego under Democrat and Republican funding bills and which reduced the illegal immigration by about 94 percent in San Diego.

So, I think that is what he envisions. But I do think, having gone down to the borders there are areas you don't need the huge brick and mortar. But let me say this, Victor, I've talked to many Republicans about this. What the president needs is 218 votes in the House and 60 in the Senate and you've got a deal.

Now, it's incredible to me that out of 49 Democrats, that there aren't nine of them that will compromise enough to say, here is a good proposal. The president will sign it. I can tell you equal branch of government, if the House and the Senate, Democrats and Republicans, get together and agree on something, I would predict -- I would bet -- give you odds 10-1 the president will sign them.

CARDONA: Democrats have said --

BLACKWELL: Maria, finish it up.

CARDONA: Democrats have said time and again that they are willing to accept increased border measures. So, let's do that.

But, Jack, you brought up something that the president hasn't even brought up so I hope that you're not becoming more anti-immigrant than the president. You brought up birth right citizenship. Oh, my goodness! A complete nonstarter and something the president has brought up. So, this shows you --

KINGSTON: It's been around as an issue.

CARDONA: This to me shows the American people just how extremist the Republicans are becoming and that is a dangerous position to be in and that is a dangerous position to be in and that is a dangerous position to be in going into 2018.

(CROSSTALK) BLACKWELL: Jack, I need a one-word answer here. I need you to commit to a one-word answer. Do you believe we are headed for a government shutdown? Maria?

CARDONA: Not if the Republicans can be measured and can be commonsensical about this.

BLACKWELL: All right. Jack?

KINGSTON: One word? No.

BLACKWELL: All right. Thank you both, Maria Cardona and Jack Kingston.

CARDONA: Thank you.

BLACKWELL: All right.

PAUL: Maria had her mom voice on there a couple times too.

All righty. The new names in the auto industry, plus one you may not recognize -- or you may. We are going to show you the latest models making their debut at -- yes, the Detroit auto show.


[07:46:52] PAUL: All righty. New Year means new car. Dozens of dealers are unveiling their latest models at the Detroit Auto Show.

And the show is packed with new pickups and Ford is highlighting the return of the Ranger.

CNN digital correspondent Peter Valdes-Dapena joins us now with some details.

So, talk to us about -- I have to think the technology in this car has got to be pretty impressive?

PETER VALDES-DAPENA, CNN DIGITAL CORRESPONDENT: So, it has interesting stuff. One of the cool thing, this is the thing that's awkward on other Ford trucks as well, but it has blind spot warning which we all know many of us know from cars , it tells you that you have a car in your blind spot but this detects when you're towing a trailer and can tell even -- you know, as far back as the back end of your trailer whether a car in your blind spot, which one is a really big deal for safety.


VALDES-DAPENA (voice-over): Here at the Detroit Auto Show, Ford showed off the 2019 Ford Ranger. It's coming back to the U.S. and it's going to be built here at the Michigan assembly plant just outside of Detroit.

I talked to Ford's global head of operations Joe Hinrichs about why the Ranger is important and what it's going to do for Ford and for the workers of this factory.

(on camera): All right. So, right now, there's a lot going on. We are getting ready to build a Ford Ranger and which when is that going to start?

JOE HINRICHS, FORD MOTOR COMPANY EXEC., VICE PRESIDENT & PRESIDENT, GLOBAL OPERATIONS: The production start at the end of 2018. Right now, what we are doing, we're going to pull ahead work on the conveyors and overhead system to get ready for the production which will start in the second half of the year. We'll balance out the Focus production in the second quarter of this year and then start converting the plant over completely during the summertime frame.

VALDES-DAPENA: Now, as small car interest in the United States, has it fallen that much that there is just really doesn't make sense to make them here any more?

HINRICHS: Well, it's been fascinating. About a ten-year run now, we've had SUV growth and truck growth and cars declining. Cars are still a substantial part of the industry here, but we identified an opportunity here to build Ranger and then eventually Bronco here.

VALDES-DAPENA: So, are you employing the same number people here you employed before?

HINRICHS: That's right. We're not going to lose any job. As a matter of fact, we anticipate growing some jobs as the Ranger and ultimately Bronco volume kicks in.

VALDES-DAPENA: Why does it make sense to bring it back now?

HINRICHS: Actually, we sold over 7 million Rangers between early '80s and 2011.

What's happened is full-sized pickup trucks have gotten larger overtime. They got more expensive, a lot more capable. But what's happened with that size getting bigger and price going up, there is now room for a mid-sized truck. A little smaller, a little bit less pricey than the full-sized pickup truck but with the adventurous spirit an SUV or a truck can give you.


VALDES-DAPENA: So, really it's cool to see, you know, all the work going on there. They're still making small cars but those workers are really happy to have those trucks coming in too that that are keeping their jobs there.

PAUL: Oh, yes, no doubt about it. Peter Valdes-Dapena, thank you so much. Appreciate it.


PAUL: Yes.

BLACKWELL: All right. Coming up, Bill Murray as Steve Bannon on "SNL". I'm not saying anything else. I'm not saying anything else. Watch this.


BILL MURRAY AS STEVE BANNON: The cannon magic is still out there. Steve Bannon, the Bannon cannon, magic, magic, magic, magic. King of kingmakers.

[07:50:00] The Bannon dynasty is dawning.



PAUL: We are always so grateful to have your company. We hope you make good memories today.

BLACKWELL: "INSIDE POLITICS" is up next. But before we leave you, "SNL" returned with some late-night laughs.

As promised, Steve Murray as Steve Bannon and a few other features. Take a look.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Steve Bannon, who was just let go as head of "Breitbart News", here to talk about it. Steve Bannon?

MURRAY: Thanks for having me.

I never said Don Jr. was treasonous.


MURRAY: Well, I certainly never said that he'd crack like an egg on TV.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, that sounds exactly like you.

MURRAY: OK, that does sound like me, yes. All right, thank you. Good reporting.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let's go live by satellite to a special guest.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, my God, it's Oprah. I thought I smelled lavender and money.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oprah, are you running?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, I am a celebrity, so I'm qualified.

But I'm different from Donald Trump, because I'm actually a billionaire. So who knows? I mean, there's only one job in the world more powerful than being president.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, really, what's that?