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Schumer on Trump Meeting: "We Made Some Progress"; D.A.: 13 Siblings Starved, Shackled, Taunted with Food; DOJ to Retry Bob Menendez on Corruption & Bribery Charges; Tim Kaine Talks Trump/Schumer Meeting. Aired 2:30-3p ET

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[14:33:46] SEN. CHUCK SCHUMER, (D-NY), SENATE MINORITY LEADER: I'm not going to answer any questions. OK? We had a long and detailed meeting. We discussed all of the major outstanding issues. We made some progress. But we still have a good number of disagreements. The discussions will continue.

Thank you.



BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: All right. So that is the brief that we get from the Senate minority leader, Chuck Schumer, who has now arrived on Capitol Hill after spending what we think was about an hour with the president at the White House. It was just them, these two New Yorkers. Obviously, they go back quite a while. This was an idea. Just giving the president, the White House credit in asking Chuck Schumer to come down. You heard it, progress but still a ways to go.

We'll get back to the shutdown. You see the tick-tock of the clock at the bottom of your screen.

But first to this story out of California. What we're are learning about these 13 siblings, what they endured allegedly at the hands of their own mother and father, it turns the stomach and defies common acceptance of what is decent, what is right.

The list of charges this father and mother face, including torture. Police say David and Louise Turpin deprived their children of food and water for years. According to police reports, the parents cooked food in front of their hungry kids and forced them to watch while the parents and only the parents got to eat. That's part of what police and prosecutors in Riverside, California, are telling us.


[14:35:16] MIKE HESTRIN, RIVERSIDE COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY: Victims report that, as a punishment, starting many years ago, they began to be tied up, first with ropes. One victim, at one point, was tied up and hog tied. And then when that victim was able to escape the ropes, these defendants eventually began using chains and padlocks to chain up the victims to their beds.


BALDWIN: The Turpin's children range in age from 2 to 29. So what happens to them now?

Let's discuss this with clinical psychologist, Judy Ho.

Judy, thank you for being with me.

You think about these children who, by the way, according to law enforcement, thought they were younger than they appeared because of the malnourishment. There's the physical and emotion. How do you begin to help them?

DR. JUDY HO, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, this is tough. They'll be suffering from a variety of medical and psychological issues. They're often interrelated. They've suffered cognitive impairment from the malnourishment they've received over the decades. We have to start with thinking what's best for the children to help establish that sense of safety again, perhaps a sense of safety that they never had. Many of these children will likely experience symptoms of complex post traumatic stress disorder, recurring nightmares, have difficulty bonding and feeling positive emotions toward other people, and just feeling like they can trust anyone else. I think it will be really important for these kid, first of all, to get in as stable of a placement as possible with parental figures, through a foster placement at first and, hopefully, transition to an adoptive family. And then professional mental health care with evidence-based scientific treatment that we know works for children of various ages with different cognitive capacities.

BALDWIN: These were kids who were not allowed outside the walls of this House, right? The police said they didn't know basically things like what a police officer is.

Here is the D.A., describing their physical conditions.


HESTRIN: All the victims were and are severely malnourished. One of the children at age 12 is the weight of an average 7-year-old. The 29-year-old female victim weighs 82 pounds. Several of the victims have cognitive impairment and neuropathy, which is nerve damage, as a result of this extreme and prolonged physical abuse.

None of the victims were allowed to shower more than once a year, none of the victims have seen a doctor in more than four years. None of the victims have ever seen a dentist.

This is severe, emotional, physical abuse.


BALDWIN: What is the number-one thing that these young people need right now?

HO: I think what they really need is to understand that adults can be trusted to take care of them. They didn't know any better. There was no other outside knowledge of what medical care was, what even police officers were, as you just mentioned. And I think they need to realize what it's like to actually be in the presence of somebody who is going to take care of you rather than torture you.

I really think the 17-year-old who escaped is amazing. How did she have the wherewithal or the skills to finally get out of there and realize what they were being subjected to was, in fact, torture?

BALDWIN: Sure. And I'm sure down the line issues of disbelief that they lived like this as long as they did, how to trust people.

HO: Yes.

BALDWIN: All kinds of issues. We obviously wish them the very best and that these parents are put to justice.

Judy Ho, thank you very much.

Back here in Washington, back to our breaking news. With the clock ticking on this government shutdown, we'll take a closer look at the play-by-play as it has been unfolding on the Senate floor, from private huddles to fist pumps. We'll read the tea leaves on how this all might play out next.


[14:43:15] BALDWIN: More than three months after that deadly Las Vegas massacre that left 58 people dead and more than 800 wounded, still lingering questions, including why. That question may not be answered for quite a while.

The sheriff speaking out today, saying that the gunman's motive remains a mystery, but he did reveal another person under investigation.


JOE LOMBARDO, SHERIFF, CLARK COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT: There was one shooter in the 1 October massacre. There was only one person responsible, and that was Stephen Paddock. We do not anticipate charges being brought forward against Marilou Danley. As to any other people, the FBI has an ongoing case against an individual of federal interest.


BALDWIN: Sara Sidner is there live in Las Vegas.

An individual of interest, that's all we know. SARA SIDNER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: First time we've heard that from

anyone looking into the investigation. This preliminary report very unusual for it to be handed out so that the public could get a look at it through the press. The sheriff saying that very unequivocally, you heard there, though, that this report will not answer why, which is what everyone wants to know. I did press him a little bit on that person of interest that he spoke about. He said he couldn't name the person. But I said, look, is this somebody who was aiding and abetting Stephen Paddock potentially? He said I can't answer that because it's under federal grand jury rules, which gives you some indication that there's a federal grand jury looking into this particular person being investigated by the FBI. That is the very first time that we have heard that there was someone else that could potentially be charged in this case. I then asked him, are the charges imminent? Are they coming in the next 60 days, for example? He said yes. That's the headline right here, that a lot of people didn't know there was potentially someone else who may be charged in this case.

A lot of folks were looking at his girlfriend, Marilou Danley, who we just saw documents that CNN and other media organizations sued to get them to unseal. Once we got those documents, she said that she had touched some of the magazines that went into the guns, potentially. She warned investigators her fingerprints might be on some of the bullets. But the sheriff being very, very clear that she will not be charged in this case. She has never been charged with a crime related to this case.

Now, though, we know, there is someone else who could potentially be charged. And that really is the headline here -- Brooke?

[14:45:45] BALDWIN: And that is striking news today. You think about all those victims, victims' families, they have been waiting.


BALDWIN: Sara Sidner, thank you so much, in Las Vegas.

Back here in Washington, to our breaking news. You see the government shutdown clock there, nine hours, 14 minutes to go. We've got the play-by-play as this whole thing has been unfolding on the Senate floor, private huddles, fist pumps. We'll let you know how this could all play out, next.


[14:50:36] BALDWIN: Breaking news here in Washington. The Justice Department has told the U.S. federal court that it intends to retry Senator Bob Menendez on corruption and bribery charges.

Jessica Schneider is on this for us as well today. She's our justice correspondent.

Tell me more, Jessica.

JESSICA SCHNEIDER, CNN JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT: Brooke, yes, federal prosecutors saying they're going to give it another go when it comes to prosecuting New Jersey Senator Bob Menendez. Back in mid November, when juror, the second round of jurors, were hung, they told the judge they couldn't come to a decision in this case. It was an 11-week trial that involved numerous charges against Senator Menendez, including corruption, bribery. Basically Senator Menendez's friendship, relationship with a doctor was inappropriate investigators say. Stays in luxurious hotels in Paris all in exchange for some official actions as Senator relating to Medicare and other issues that the doctor was concerned with. But, of course, this was a difficult case to prove because the bribery standard. Since that decision in mid November for mistrial, federal prosecutors have been weighing whether or not to bring Senator Menendez back to trial. Today, they have decided they will go back to this, that they will retry Senator Menendez.

The Justice Department just announcing this. I'll read you part that have statement. They say, "The conduct alleged in the indictment is serious and warrants retrial before a jury of citizens in the district in New Jersey. The decision to retry this case was made based on the facts and the law, following a careful review." They say, "The charges contained in the indictment are merely accusations and defendants are presumed innocent until proven guilty."

But, Brooke, this was a difficult one for Senator Menendez. He had to go back and forth between Washington and New Jersey. They sort of adjusted the trial schedule to let him get out early on certain days. But this is somewhat of a blow to the Senator. Federal prosecutors saying they will retry Senator Menendez on these bribery, corruption and honest service fraud charges -- Brooke?

BALDWIN: Jessica, thank you very much. Jessica Schneider here in D.C.

Back to our breaking news here on the potential government shutdown. Democratic Senator Tim Kaine, from Virginia, talking about the negotiations, talking about this meeting that just wrapped up between the president and minority leader, Chuck Schumer. Listen to Senator Kaine.


SEN. TIM KAINE, (D), VIRGIIA: Budget deals that tell you where we're going, provide certainty and help everybody. That's what we owe to our troops, to the federal employees. We can get there. We're close enough we can get there.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: But do you think we can get a budget deal in the next 10 hours?

KAINE: I think we can get one in the next few days. So there really --


UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: But then why not do a C.R. for 30 if you can do it in five? KAINE: Because we did it for a month and we did it for a month. At

some point, it starts to look like the purpose is to delay rather than reach a deal. We can reach a deal, but we've got to -- we sort of need to force the mechanism. If the president were to say, Congress, you stay at the table until you have a final deal, and it's got to be bipartisan because of Democratic votes in the Senate, I will support a bipartisan deal. If he were to say that, that would be really, really helpful. But the issues, you know, that were being debated, budgetary numbers, emergency relief, CHIP reauthorization, DREAMers, they are well discussed and well negotiated. It's just a decision point. Look, that can be hard.


[14:54:13] BALDWIN: More on that meeting over at the White House, coming up next.


BALDWIN: The "Me Too" movement will once again take center stage in Hollywood by featuring an all-female lineup of presenters at the Screen Actors Guild Awards Sunday night. The move is in support of gender equality and respect after the multiple sexual harassment allegations mounted against entertainment industry A-listers. Actor James Franco and Aziz Ansari are nominated, and both have been accused of sexual misconduct recently. Franco's reps say he will be there, after skipping out of the Critics Choice Awards last week.

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BALDWIN: We continue with the breaking news here in Washington on this Friday afternoon. I'm Brooke Baldwin. Thank you for being with me.

You are watching CNN special live coverage of the showdown. You see that clock. You're about to see it in the bottom corner of your screen. We are hours away from what could be the first government shutdown in four years. The countdown is on. Fewer than nine hours remain to get some sort of deal done.

And for about an hour today, the president did meet with the leader of the Senate Democrats, Chuck Schumer. There's the Senator just leaving the meeting moments ago. And this is what he had to say about it.


[15:00:14] SCHUMER: OK, I'm going to be brief.