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Part-Protest Caravan Heading for U.S. Border; President Trump Tweets No More DACA Deal; Oklahoma Teachers to Converge on Statehouse for Pay Raise; Groundbreaking K-Pop Concert Held in North Korea; How Do North Koreans View Upcoming Trump-Kim Jong-un Talks?; Saks, Lord & Taylor Hit With Data Breach; How Steve Bannon Used Cambridge Analytica to Push His Vision; Can Trump get over Bolton's Mustache?; Will Wall Street's Wild Streak Continue? Aired 6-7p ET
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[18:00:00] BRYNN GINGRAS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: -- screen and off the feelings for the president are mutual.
ROSEANNE BARR, COMEDIAN: Trump offended half Americans, she offended the other half. So that's great for sitcoms. We're lucky to have him as a president.
GINGRAS: Conservatives around the country riding the wave of the actress' popularity. FOX host Sean Hannity begging for an interview with Barr even offering for her to host his show.
Brynn Gingras, CNN, New York.
ANA CABRERA, CNN ANCHOR: Hello on this Easter Sunday. You are in the CNN NEWSROOM. I'm Ana Cabrera in New York. I am so grateful you are here.
Right now south of the U.S. border in Mexico a mass of people is on the move, more than 1,000 strong, heading towards the United States.
Now these are people mostly from Central and South America. What they are doing is part of a pilgrimage and part political protest because many of them say when they get to the U.S. border they are going to try and cross it and stay in the United States.
This so-called caravan prompted a tweet from the president this morning. His words, "Mexico is doing very little, if not nothing, at stopping people from flowing into Mexico through their southern border and then into the U.S. They laugh at our dumb immigration laws." And he ends with, "Need wall."
President Trump commented further this morning as he and the first lady went in to church in south Florida.
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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Mexico has got to help us at the border. They blow right through Mexico. They send them into the United States. Can't happen that way anymore.
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CABRERA: Also today the man leading the race to be Mexico's next leader has a message for President Trump.
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ANDRES MANUEL LOPEZ OBRADOR, MEXICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE (through translator): Mexico and its people will not be the pinata of any foreign government.
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CABRERA: CNN's Leyla Santiago is in Mexico City right now, White House correspondent Boris Sanchez is in South Florida.
Leyla, this candidate for the Mexican presidency, the frontrunner, he says Mexico is not a pinata.
LEYLA SANTIAGO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Right, Ana. That is Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador. He goes by AMLO. Here he is the frontrunner in the elections that will be in July. And I've got to say right before he made that statement he said something that is also noteworthy. He said, look, we will respect the United States but we also demand respect in return.
And of course, you know, there's been a lot of talk about the U.S.- Mexico relationship but also after President Trump's tweets this morning there's been even more talk about that here in Mexico.
I want to show you a tweet that came out from the Foreign minister of Mexico, Luis Videgaray, so the official Mexican response. And he says, "Every day Mexico and the U.S. work together on migration throughout the region. Facts clearly reflect this. An inaccurate report," excuse me. "An inaccurate news report should not serve to question this strong cooperation. Upholding human dignity and rights is not at odds with the rule of law." And then he adds, "Happy Easter."
Now much of this comes from a report of, quote, "caravans," migrant caravans making their way north. But these caravans that you talk about during Holy Week refer to what we call here Via Cruzes. These are marches, religious marches, a pilgrimage, if you will, during Holy Week that have become very symbolic and many use it as a way to make a statement.
So there is one really big one with more than 1,000 people that started at Mexico's southern border making its way north. They're in Oaxaca right now and we've seen photos and videos of them sort of gathered and making these statements about immigration rights and also many of them from Central America making comments and statements about their conditions from Central America. So they are making their way north. Some of them plan to seek asylum. Others just making a statement -- Ana.
CABRERA: OK, Leyla. Let me turn to Boris. Thank you and stand by.
So, Boris, the president tweeting a lot on this, this morning, also saying this. "No deal on DACA," in big capital letters. But he has said that before only to reverse himself. I'm wondering how U.S. lawmakers are reacting.
BORIS SANCHEZ, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Hey there, Ana, yes, many of them pointing out the incongruity between this message from the president coming on Easter, not exactly the most merciful tone from the president.
Democrat Eric Swalwell of California actually tweeted out a bible verse. He writes, quote., "You must not mistreat or oppress foreigners in any way. Remember you yourselves are once foreigners in the land of Egypt," from Exodus 22:21. He writes further, "Happy Easter, Mr. President." A member of President Trump's own party, Ileana Ros-Lehtinen from here in south Florida actually wrote, quote, "Such a strong message of love and new beginnings from the president on Easter Sunday." And then a little bit of emoji sort of humor there.
[18:05:03] And, further, the Congressional Hispanic Caucus putting out another message pointing out the fact that it is Easter and the president is sending this message. They write, quote, "On Easter it is important to remember that Jesus, Mary and Joseph as immigrants and refugees sought a place to live and work, hoping for a compassionate, human response."
We do have to note, Ana, that the president's tweets and his statement before entering Easter service this morning came on the heels of a report on a cable news network about this caravan of immigrants moving through Central America into Mexico. So the president obviously was angry at what he saw. That's the root of where these statements come from.
We should note it's unclear if this is a policy shift or simply the president, as he often does, venting through social media -- Ana.
CABRERA: The president appearing in public but has largely been kind of in the background or in the backdrop as he's spent the holiday weekend down there in Florida, Boris, and his Cabinet has shrunk again in the past week with the departure of the VA secretary.
Who was there with him this weekend at Mar-a-Lago?
SANCHEZ: Yes, we actually saw some of the regulars here that come down with the president to Mar-a-Lago skip this Easter weekend. The chief of staff, John Kelly, not here. Johnny DeStefano also not here. We did have senior adviser to the president, Stephen Miller, spending the weekend with the president. We also know that a couple of nights ago he had dinner with cable news host Sean Hannity and Don King as well. Unclear exactly what their conversation was. But they were here on hand.
The president usually has a wide cast of characters at Mar-a-Lago and frankly often we see the conversations that he has with these visitors influence his response to the news of the day and often that bleeds into Twitter -- Ana.
CABRERA: Boris Sanchez, Leyla Santiago, thank you, guys.
Let's bring in our panel, joining us, CNN senior political correspondent for the "Washington Examiner," David Drucker, political anchor for Spectrum News, Errol Louis, and CNN political analyst, Julian Zelizer, also a historian and professor at Princeton University.
Errol, I'm curious what you make of who is spending time with the president this weekend and who is not.
ERROL LOUIS, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, it's fascinating to me because somebody like Don King who I remember interviewing both at the Republican National Convention where Donald Trump was being nominated and at the Democratic convention where Hillary Clinton was being nominated is out for a lot of different causes but the main cause is Don King himself. So that's an interesting one to me.
As far as the president being overly influenced by the likes of Sean Hannity and the producers at FOX News, no disrespect to television personalities or to TV producers, but it's probably not the right filter through which the leader of the free world should be forming opinions and absorbing facts. I think what you end up getting is a lot of his immediate reactions, which are understandable, I guess, on a human level but are not the basis for the policies of a great nation.
CABRERA: Julian, do you think who he's been talking to explains his tweets this morning?
JULIAN ZELIZER, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: A little bit. I mean, that trifecta captures the world that President Trump pays attention to. The conservative media, the conservative base with Corey Lewandowski, and finally entertainment. And so I think he's hearing voices that are similar to his own. And he saw that story on FOX News and this is President Trump at his essence. He loves to go after immigrant groups, he loves to put this issue front and center. And I think that all makes sense.
CABRERA: David, it seems like what he is tweeting may be red meat for the president's base, but the president's approval rating is on the rise. Why go there today?
DAVID DRUCKER, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, I don't know if the president's approval ratings are on the rise so much as it has just ticked up a little but it's in the low to mid-40s, low or mid-40s where it's always been, doing a little bit better --
CABRERA: Well, it hasn't always been. It's been below 40.
DRUCKER: Well, if you look at the averages it's been anywhere from 42 percent to 44 percent. And I just think that this is where the president is most comfortable ultimately. He's most comfortable railing against the system, saying that the problem is the system and that it all needs to be torn down. And it really doesn't really matter what the subject matter is.
The other part of the tweets this morning were about Senate rules and how the Senate should get rid of the filibuster that is still in place for legislation. The 60-vote filibuster. Use the nuclear option, in other break the rules to change the rules so that they could pass whatever immigration legislation the Republicans want without the Democrats being able to filibuster it. And even then, you wouldn't necessarily have the votes because I don't think you could muster 51 votes for the kind of legislation -- on the Republican side for the kind of legislation the president wants.
But it's a part and parcel of where he's most comfortable. It's always the system's problem and he's never shown or rarely shown, I should say, a comfort level working within the system to deliver what he's campaigned on.
[18:10:06] CABRERA: It's Easter, though, Errol. And we heard Boris read some of the reactions from lawmakers on both sides of the political spectrum. And you think about the evangelical base out there. How is this resonating with them?
LOUIS: Well, the evangelical base has shown a remarkable ability to overlook some of the most flagrant violations of issues that up until now for, you know, 20 odd years, we've heard were very important to them around personal conduct, around personal decency, around avoiding obscenity, falsehoods, adultery. You know, you can run down the list of the seven deadly sins.
Donald Trump seems to be majoring in all of them. And yet they seem to be able to swallow a lot of that in part because of, just as Julian suggested, there's a part of the president's core makeup that involves doing whatever he can to advance certain social conservative agenda items, and that's the appointment of judges and that's giving at least some degree of comfort mostly in an international context to anti- abortion legislation and policy, and doing some other things that they like.
And to the extent that people might be accused of hypocrisy to a certain extent that's going to be between them and the -- you know, and the Almighty, whether or not they lived up to the ideals that we've heard shouted from the pulpits for so many years.
CABRERA: David, one portion of the tweet that is getting a lot of attention is no more DACA deal, kind of a gut punch to immigrants and particularly the Dreamers. But is this Trump finally owning the end of DACA? Because he's been blaming Dems all along. Right?
DRUCKER: You know, look, it's hard to tell. I mean, in some sense, if you want to look at this on a more basic, conventional level, this is how Trump negotiates. He makes broad declarations with big -- to big fanfare and it's his way of sparking a deal or trying to encourage the other side to come around to his thinking. And so in some way this could be him trying to push things along.
On the other hand you could look at this and say that his base has never wanted the DACA deal. It was always curious to me that the president was threatening to veto the omnibus spending bill because he didn't get the DACA deal when one of the things that his base would hate the most would be a DACA deal because it involves an amnesty of sorts for 1.8 million DACA participants and eligibles according to the current rules.
So I don't know if this is the president using this as a convenient exit or his way of trying to scare Democrats or spur Democrats into negotiating with him at a level that makes him happier.
CABRERA: Julian, the president's tweets this morning did coincide with this segment on FOX News about this pilgrimage that Leyla was talking about. Their coverage of what was happening in Mexico, though, was inaccurate. Is this an example of the president blindly tweeting?
ZELIZER: Well, it's a bit of a blind tweet. Meaning he did see the story and reacted to the story without any kind of advice, I'm sure, and just going on instinct. But the message is pretty consistent. So he is going to something he has been saying for a long time, and I think he sees facts and he sees stories and he sees non-facts and he puts it together to get out a pretty consistent message on immigration. And this tweet will matter.
Some tweets don't matter. But this is the kind of tweet that will stir up opponents of this program. And that is going to make it much harder to reach some kind of compromise in Congress if for some reason he actually turned around and said, I'm willing to make a deal. So it is inaccurate, but the message is very consistent.
CABRERA: Errol, is this tweet good or bad politically for Democrats?
LOUIS: Look, it's terrible for the country. Let's be clear about this. DACA itself is a compromise. DACA itself was a compromise. You have childhood arrivals who Congress could not figure out a way to legally find some kind of valid, humanitarian status for them. And so DACA was created, deferred action, meaning the law hasn't changed but like let's push this off to the side and not make them a target.
The president inherited this compromise and now acts as if he can do away with it. Well, if he wants to suffer those consequences based on inaccurate information and instead of sending a message to his own national security apparatus or his political staff, he tweets it out to tens of millions of people. If he had gotten some clarity, gotten some facts, maybe put a little thought into it and maybe even ran it through his political filter he might have been able to find some way to both advance his political objectives and not harm a lot of kids in the process, not harm himself politically.
So the Democrats are going to feast on this. They're going to leap on top of it and say that this is an example of a White House that does not know how to lead.
CABRERA: Errol Lewis, Julian Zelizer, David Drucker, thank you, gentlemen. Good to see you and Happy Easter. Really appreciate you being with me.
ZELIZER: Thank you.
CABRERA: Still ahead, schools will be closed tomorrow as teachers announce they are walking off the job even though lawmakers are offering to give them a pay raise in one state.
[18:15:09] Why they say this isn't just about the money next.
CABRERA: Welcome back. You have live pictures right now on your television showing Joint Base Andrews and Air Force One that just touched down. We are waiting for the president and first lady who are heading back to the White House following an Easter holiday spent in Florida and there is the president, again, waving to the cameras. The first lady joining him and their son Barron.
Just today we know they spent some time at church and the president tweeting a lot including a Happy Easter greeting. And then he turned his attention to immigration. Venting his frustration at Democrats and Mexico and declaring that the DACA deal is dead.
Again live pictures from Joint Base Andrews now.
[18:20:01] Oklahoma teachers, meantime, are walking out of their classrooms tomorrow and into the statehouse. They say they need more money. Already state lawmakers passed a $6100 pay raise for teachers but the state's teachers union says that raise simply doesn't go nearly far enough.
One teacher posted this picture of a broken chair she calls a cheek pincher as an example of why she's participating in the walkout. Oklahoma ranks 49th in the nation in teacher salaries and many teachers say they have to work numerous jobs and take handouts just to make ends meet.
CNN's Nick Valencia is joining us now from Oklahoma City.
Nick, what are you hearing from teachers who are planning to take to the capital tomorrow?
NICK VALENCIA, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Ana, quite simply, they just don't see a future here as an educator in the state of Oklahoma. And to them, it's more than just a pay increase, it's about classroom funding. You bring up that statistics, Oklahoma, the average teacher salary here near the bottom of the list, about $31,000 for a first- year teacher.
Pupil funding is also very low. That ranks near the bottom as well. And according to teachers organizations here of the 500 school districts in the state some of them have even gone to four-day work weeks so teachers can pick up second or third jobs. And in the most extreme situation and circumstances they say that there are teachers that even commute to nearby school districts in Texas and Arkansas just to pay the bills -- Ana.
CABRERA: Nick, there seems to be a chain reaction now happening. Teachers went on the strike in West Virginia last month. They actually got what they wanted there. How does the situation there in Oklahoma compare?
VALENCIA: It took about nine days for teachers in West Virginia to get what they wanted. And, you know, we're seeing this momentum and this movement across the country, Ana, in places like Arizona, Kentucky, I mentioned West Virginia and as well here in Oklahoma. And it was earlier that I spoke to the spokesperson of the National Education Association and I asked him that, why now if it's been 10 years since teachers have gotten a raise here in the state of Oklahoma, why are we seeing this movement and momentum? And he said part of that is contributed and attributed to the controversial appointment of secretary of Education, Betsy DeVos.
There's a lot of teachers here, according to the organization, that are mad about that appointment. They're also -- they want to get paid more. They want, as I mentioned, that value to be put on the education system here in the state of Oklahoma, and we're seeing that teachers are finally now standing up.
We had that walkout expected yesterday -- tomorrow, I should say. On Monday, tens of thousands of teachers expected to line up here at the state capital here behind me. Some of the districts, we should mentioned, though, the teachers are not walking out because the teachers tell me they simply can't afford to miss a day of work -- Ana.
CABRERA: Nick Valencia, in Oklahoma City, thank you.
Still ahead, a rare appearance from North Korean leader Kim Jong-un with his wife at a concert for a South Korean rock group in Pyongyang. It comes at a time of thawing relations between the South and the North. But how are North Koreans viewing the upcoming talks? We'll discuss next.
[18:27:24] CABRERA: Happening now the U.S. and South Korea are holding joint military drills on the Korean peninsula and at the same time what appears to be a growing cultural thaw. North Korea's Kim Jong-un and his wife took in K-pop stars from South Korea performing in Pyongyang.
Now the concert marked the very first time in over a decade that South Korean musicians have traveled to North Korea to perform. This comes 26 days before a historic summit between North Korea's Kim Jong-un and South Korean president Moon Jae-in.
Let's bring in CNN's Alexandra Field in Seoul, South Korea.
Alexandra, so we're seeing a bit of a breakthrough with this concert?
ALEXANDRA FIELD, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes, it's really amazing, Ana, to see that these are the images that are being projected from the peninsula this weekend. Kim Jong-un in the audience seeing some of South Korea's most legendary and famous groups performing, seemingly giving his approval, clapping along with the audience in a packed house in Pyongyang.
This was one of two performances that is scheduled to take place, the second will happen on Tuesday. And that will involve both South Korean artists and North Korean artists sharing the same stage. It's all very reminiscent of what we saw just about a month ago when North Korean performances shared the stage with South Koreans as part of the Olympic festivities.
At that time the South Korean president Moon Jae-in watched that performance, also seeming to be moved by an emotional moment, the kind of moment that people really could not have predicted just a few months ago when you saw tensions on the peninsula reaching really a fever pitch.
It's also remarkable, Ana, that we are looking at these images this weekend instead of images of war games because on Sunday the U.S. and South Korea kicked off their military exercises, annual drills that rankle and enrage Pyongyang every year. The U.S. and South Korea say that these drills are critical to maintain and a defensive posture but Pyongyang sees these drills as a threat and each year they register their objection with both condemnation and provocation.
This year Kim Jong-un told South Korean officials that he understood that the exercises would go on and none of that seems to have derailed the diplomatic breakthroughs that we have seen coming fast and furiously over the last few weeks or months.
These drills should be wrapping up around the time that Kim Jong-un and President Moon Jae-in sit down for a face-to-face summit, the first of its kind in more than a decade. They would also be wrapping up before a potentially historic meeting could take place between President Trump and Kim Jong-un which could happen as soon as May, Ana.
For its part the U.S. and South Korea do seem to be taking a few steps to ease the tensions that these drills typically contribute to.
[18:30:00] For starters, they haven't yet invited the media to film these drills. Those will be images that Pyongyang would typically react to. They also delayed the start of the drills so that they wouldn't coincide with the Olympics.
And this year, these drills are happening over a shorter period of time. They'll take just a month this year instead of the two months that their drills took just last year, Ana.
CABRERA: Alexandra Field in Seoul, South Korea. Thank you for that report.
Now, as she mentioned, this is all happening ahead of President Trump's face-to-face meeting with North Korea's Kim Jong-un. Sometime in the next month or so is when it's expected to happen.
So how do people living in North Korea view those upcoming historic talks?
Well, my next guest has a unique perspective. She taught English undercover in North Korea as a journalist for six months back in 2011.
And she joins us now. Suki Kim, the author of "Without You, There is No Us: Undercover Among the Sons of North Korea's Elite."
So, Suki, thank you for being here. You were undercover in North Korea. What is the one thing that really stands out to you from your time there?
SUKI KIM, AUTHOR, "WITHOUT YOU, THERE IS NO US: MY TIME WITH THE SONS OF NORTH KOREA'S ELITE": Well, I followed North Korea for about decade. Starting in 2002, I've gone in there multiple times. I think that I was shocked at the level at which -- the control that they live under.
The people that I lived with were young men aged 20, and they were the creme de la creme of North Korea. The top line, you know, future leadership. And every hour of the day, it was just controlled, and their knowledge was also very minimal.
So what does that suggest for the rest of the country if they didn't know so -- they knew so little about the outside world, and their lives had just had zero freedom?
And I think that control was shocking because I had never imagined, even after 10 years of research, anything to that degree.
CABRERA: Because you were telling me that going in, in more of an undercover setting where you didn't say up front that you were a journalist there planning to write a book, you were treated very differently this time around as a teacher versus when you had gone in as a reporter previously and had been transparent about that.
KIM: Right. Any foreigners going in, it's a sanctioned visit. The people you talk to had been selected by the government.
Also, it's a system where everything is controlled. You know, people who are doing things are not doing them voluntarily. So once I was actually living amongst them in the school day-to-day in a locked compound for six months, even if the control is there and censorship is there, slowly, little things slipped.
And I think, in that setting, I was shocked at the level of absolutely nothing being allowed in that country. And more than anything, that their knowledge being so almost zero about the outside world.
CABRERA: They are only privy to what they hear then from their leaders. That being said, how do you think people living in North Korea are looking at this upcoming meeting between President Trump and Kim Jong-un?
KIM: Everything functions there for the great leader. It all serves the image of the great leader.
So right now, the fact that Kim Jong-un is having a meeting with both the South Korean President coming up at the end of April and then possibly Donald Trump would be considered a victory for Kim Jong-un, the great leader whom the world around is begging to meet really. That's how it will be packaged.
And the larger context of what politically this means, you need every other facts to sort of make sense of what's going on. But if you're not getting any information about the world and you've only been educated on the greatness of the great leader -- and this news would really be packaged to embolden the great leader status in that country, which is basically a god and a father figure.
CABRERA: This issue of denuclearization is at the heart of this upcoming meeting. It's at the heart of the conflict really with North Korea and the rest of the world. Do you think North Korea really is open to denuclearization?
KIM: This is like deja vu. We've seen this before from North Korea. Denuclearization as something that they would put as a condition for aid and sitting down with the world leaders.
So this time, the reason -- they've never -- you know, the North Korean leader and the U.S. President have never met one-on-one. It's the first time supposedly it will happen.
The only reason the U.S. President would consider meeting North Korea is because it's a big threat, nuclear threat. So if the reason they want what they wanted, which is a sit-down meeting with the U.S. President, why would they give that up?
It's actually -- they have achieved what they wanted to get, the world actually paying attention to North Korea because they're a nuclear nation. Logically speaking, it would make zero sense for them to, you know, willingly give that up.
And also, another thing is they fear regime change. Without nuclear weapon, you know, the first thing that they will lose is that regime.
[18:35:02] You know, the -- you know, right now, America has already said that, you know, they have -- what they want is actually the end of the North Korean regime. And if that's what they fear, the last thing they would do is actually give up nuclear weapons.
CABRERA: You're right. Some members, including the upcoming -- John Bolton, the upcoming and incoming Secretary of State, if he is confirmed through the process, he has mentioned an end of the regime there -- excuse me, the national security adviser position. Do you think the U.S. has any leverage then?
KIM: I think that what we are seeing, and I think actually there is something positive about all of this. You know, the K-Pop stars performing in Pyongyang, I mean, I don't see what that is really except distraction.
But actually, the South Korean President meeting, the inter-Korean summits happening, and also U.S. possibly meeting with North Korea, I think the positive thing about that is, actually, we are at least showing engagement as a way forward. Even if all of it is for the show, still some dire luck (ph) could happen out of that. And I think that, possibly, the fact that all these leaderships are in
the beginning stage -- Donald Trump, Kim Jong-un, and also Moon Jae-in of South Korea are all in the beginning stage of their leadership at the moment.
And I think because they would want some legacy, whatever they're pursuing won't really get disrupted. They're not at the end of their reign, none of them, so I think that's actually an interesting factor.
So, I mean, also, I think the narcissism of the leaders -- currently, we have Donald Trump, we have Kim Jong-un -- and I think the fact that they are quite possibly meeting for this historical summit? And I think that feeding into that narcissism, possibly something could happen that could potentially help the people.
CABRERA: They need conclusion. That is something substantial. Thank you so much, Suki Kim, for giving us your perspective and insight. We appreciate it.
KIM: Thank you.
CABRERA: Coming up, a closer look at the company Cambridge Analytica and how one former employee says President Trump's former chief strategist, Steve Bannon, used it had to wage a cultural war on an unsuspecting America. You're live in the CNN NEWSROOM.
[18:41:49] CABRERA: If you shop at Saks Fifth Avenue or Lord & Taylor, your personal financial information may have been compromised.
The retail chain owner, Hudson's Bay, says hackers stole 5 million credit and debit cards records from the stores. The company says it has taken steps to contain this theft.
CNN's Kaylee Hartung is following the story for us.
Kaylee, how can shoppers find out if their information has been stolen?
KAYLEE HARTUNG, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Ana, customers are being told to monitor and review their account statements. Customer care representatives are available at the ready to answer any questions. But, otherwise, Ana, it really appears too early to tell.
Hudson's Bay, the parent company of these retail stores, confirm the attack today and released a statement saying, quote, once the company has more clarity around the facts, it will notify customers quickly and will offer those impacted free identity protection services, including credit and web monitoring.
Now, they also say customers should be assured they will not be liable for any fraudulent charges to their accounts during this time.
Now, with more than 5 million cards and their data compromised here, this is being referred to as one of the biggest and most damaging attacks of its kind on retail stores. That's how the cybersecurity firm, Gemini Advisory, is describing this attack. They were the ones who identified it.
Now, a preliminary analysis conducted by that firm says that data was stolen from sales in these stores going back to May of 2017. It's likely that more than 130 Saks Fifth Avenue, Saks Off Fifth, and Lord & Taylor stores were impacted.
The majority of this information, though, coming from stores, Ana, in New York and New Jersey. And you should be assured it was only in- store purchases, not any online purchases, that were affected.
But, Ana, this investigation will continue. Hudson's Bay cooperating with law enforcement through it.
CABRERA: All right. Kaylee Hartung, thank you. Keep us posted.
From one data breach to another, now long before the 2016 election, GOP strategist Steve Bannon had been pushing his conservative message. Through Breitbart News and documentary films, Bannon worked to move American voters to the right.
In 2014, he helped launch the U.S. arm of Cambridge Analytica with the express purpose of using technology to push voters toward his populist vision.
CNN Correspondent Drew Griffin helps us understand how he did it.
DREW GRIFFIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Cambridge Analytica was born out of Steve Bannon's alt-right vision for America. He had already produced propaganda-inspired films, had run the ultraconservative Breitbart News.
But in 2014, he was looking for yet another tool in his arsenal. And he found it by creating Cambridge Analytica.
CHRISTOPHER WYLIE, FORMER DIRECTOR OF RESEARCH, CAMBRIDGE ANALYTICA: This was Steve Bannon's baby.
GRIFFIN (voice-over): Former Cambridge Analytica employee Christopher Wylie says, from his first meeting with Bannon, it was clear the goal. Not to push a single campaign or candidate but to fundamentally change America.
WYLIE: He sees this as warfare, so he is going to use as aggressive techniques as he can get away with.
GRIFFIN (on camera): But do you realize what you're saying? You're talking about warfare on the American citizenry.
[18:44:58] WYLIE: This is Steve Bannon and Robert Mercer using a foreign military contractor to use some of the same techniques that the military used to fight ISIS on the American electorate. That's what they wanted, and that's what they got. GRIFFIN (voice-over): Cambridge Analytica is a subsidiary of the
British SCL Group. For 25 years, the military contractor has worked with 60 countries, including British and American governments, helping battle crime, drugs, terrorists by changing the opinions of foreign populations.
JOSH GREEN, AUTHOR, "DEVIL'S BARGAIN: STEVE BANNON, DONALD TRUMP, AND THE NATIONALIST UPRISING": SCL's sales pitch essentially was, look, we go into foreign countries, and we use our tools, our psychographic profiling to manipulate public opinion. I mean, ultimately, that's what Bannon wanted to do in the United States. He wanted to manipulate public opinion.
GRIFFIN (voice-over): So Bannon created SCL's American arm, Cambridge Analytica, with $15 million from conservative donor Robert Mercer and his daughter, Rebekah.
Wylie says using psychographic data gathered from a Facebook app, Cambridge Analytica targeted specific groups of people to try to influence them and push them to the right.
WYLIE: It wouldn't always look like a campaign ad or wouldn't always say, you know, I'm candidate so and so and I approve this message. You're not necessarily aware that, actually, what you're seeing is content that has been created and targeted at you to make you perceive an issue differently.
GRIFFIN (voice-over): The company worked on the 2014 midterms. But amidst all the data analytics, the questionable use of psychoanalysis, the micro-targeting that the technology allowed, Bannon's real goal was always much bigger than that, according to Riley.
WYLIE: He wanted to change people's perceptions of what was happening in America to make them more open to an alt-right vision.
GRIFFIN (voice-over): Part of that included developing and testing messages that would resonate with voters, imagery of walls, deep state, increasing paranoia about government spying, and this.
WYLIE: We had tested drain the swamp --
GRIFFIN (on camera): In 2014.
WYLIE: In 2014.
GRIFFIN (voice-over): Bannon had worked for two years to refine his messaging when, in 2016, the perfect candidate came along to blast those messages to American voters.
DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: It's crazy. Drain the swamp.
WYLIE: A lot of the narratives of the Trump campaign were what we were testing in 2014.
GRIFFIN (voice-over): Cambridge Analytica is now downplaying its work for the Donald Trump campaign, insisting it did not use controversial Facebook data on it and saying elections are won and lost by candidates, not data science.
As for Steve Bannon, he wouldn't respond to CNN but recently told a business forum his techniques were used in the past by Democrats and said no one complained until a conservative did what progressives have been doing for years.
Drew Griffin, CNN, Atlanta.
CABRERA: Coming up, late night not being tightlipped about John Bolton's upper lip. Jeanne Moos on the incoming national security adviser and the relentless bash of his 'stache, next.
[18:52:33] CABRERA: Finally this hour, a key question. Can Trump get past the mustache? Here's Jeanne Moos.
JEANNE MOOS, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: The man President Trump wants as his national security adviser must be pretty secure to step on the world stage knowing the first thing people will meet is his mustache.
JIMMY KIMMEL, HOST, "JIMMY KIMMEL LIVE!": This is John Bolton, by the way.
Mustaches don't always tell you everything you need to know about a person, but this one does.
MOOS (voice-over): He must be resigned to being portrayed heading to the White House for his first briefing as Yosemite Sam. He's not just depicted as a loose cannon but one with a mustache.
Already, the President's hair has been affixed to Bolton's upper lip.
TREVOR NOAH, HOST, "THE DAILY SHOW": If Bolton looks familiar to you, it may be because he's been on the Cap'n Crunch box for over 40 years.
MOOS (voice-over): If you believe the reporting in "Fire and Fury," one of President Trump's issues with Bolton initially --
MAGGIE HABERMAN, WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT, THE NEW YORK TIME": -- was his mustache. I mean, that was the singular focus of derision.
MOOS (voice-over): Steve Bannon is quoted as saying Bolton's mustache is a problem. Trump doesn't think he looks the part. But more than a year later, the President got over it and comedians can't get enough of it.
STEPHEN COLBERT, HOST, "THE LATE SHOW WITH STEPHEN COLBERT": Ambassador Bolton.
MOOS (voice-over): When Dana Carvey joined Stephen Colbert, he gave his mustache a name.
COLBERT: I'm sorry, who is General Snowball?
DANA CARVEY, ACTOR: That's the name of my mustache.
MOOS (voice-over): Carvey kept making weird noises. And his mustache kept growing.
CARVEY: Easy, fellow. No, boy, Stephen's friend. Stephen, small, little feminine man.
MOOS (voice-over): Carvey called his mustache a little engorged. But don't expect Bolton to capitulate.
Back in 2016, he tweeted, I appreciate the grooming advice from the totally unbiased mainstream media, but I will not be shaving my mustache.
Of course, that was before he was portrayed breastfeeding a puppy. That's enough to make your facial hair stand on end.
CARVEY: Come on, nuzzle up, sugar buns. Here we go.
MOOS (voice-over): Jeanne Moos, CNN, New York.
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CABRERA: From Main Street to Wall Street, will the market continue its wild streak? Alison Kosik has this week's "Before the Bell." Alison?
ALISON KOSIK, CNN GENERAL ASSIGNMENT CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Ana. Wall Street's second quarter kicks off this week. And the first three months of 2018 were wild, featuring two separate thousand-point plunges, huge rallies, and a growing list of investor fears. So can investors expect more big swings ahead?
This week, Spotify makes its market debut. The streaming music service is going public Tuesday, but it's not like other IPOs. Spotify plans a direct listing, meaning it will sell shares directly to investors. That saves it hundreds of millions of dollars in fees but could also mean a volatile start.
[19:00:09] On Friday, the government releases the March jobs report, and all eyes will be on wage growth.