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Investors Breathe Sigh of Relief; Mark Zuckerberg to Face Congress; Refugees Depend on Foreign Aid to Survive; Mueller Team's Tough Action on Russians; Trump to Impose Sanctions on Russian Oligarchs; China Plans Tariffs On $50 Billion In U.S. Goods; Buses Carrying U.S. Diplomats Leave Moscow Embassy; Governors Control The National Guard Troops In Their States; An Anti-Semitic Murder Shocks France; Honoring Martin Luther King Jr. Aired 3-4a ET

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ROSEMARY CHURCH, CNN ANCHOR: The world's two economic giants locked in an economic standoff. We will look at the global implications of the trade dispute between China and the United States.

The security and political issues behind Donald Trump's plan to send National Guard troops to the border with Mexico.

Plus tens of thousands of Syrians remain trapped in the ongoing war, and refugee camps are overwhelmed.

And starvation in eastern Ghouta.


FREDERIK PLEITGEN, SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT, CNN: Malnutrition and even starvation were major issues in the encircled areas of eastern Ghouta. And now that thousands of people have fled to this one center for displaced people, simply keeping them fed is a major logistical challenge.


CHURCH: Hello and welcome to our viewers joining us from all around the world. I'm Rosemary Church, and this is CNN Newsroom.

In the words of one economist, this is not the start of a trade war, it's the start of negotiations. China responding in kind to the U.S. with proposed tariffs on $50 billion in American goods. The list includes airplanes, automobiles, beef, pork, and a range of other agricultural products.

Analysts say it's no coincidence those penalties would a specially hard on farmers in the Midwestern U.S. who voted overwhelmingly for Mr. Trump.

Earlier this week, the U.S. said it's considering its own import taxes on Chinese goods, but the White House is urging caution, saying the tariffs are not set in stone.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is it possible that these deep new tariffs against China are in fact are negotiating tactics and won't go into effect?

LARRY KUDLOW, DIRECTOR, NATIONAL ECONOMIC COUNCIL: Yes, it's possible, it's part of the process, I mean, I would take the president seriously on this tariff issue. You know, there are tariffs that did survive but he is ultimately a free trader. He said that to me. He said it publicly. So he wants to solve this with the least amount of pain.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Can you have growth if there's a trade war?

KUDLOW: Possibly we want to get to that point.


CHURCH: In his following reaction from across the Asia-Pacific region Ivan Watson is in Beijing and Anna Stewart is in Tokyo. Good to see you both. So Anna, let's start with you. How are markets across Asia and Europe responding to China's new wave of proposed tariffs?

ANNA STEWART, CNN JOURNALIST: Good morning, Rosemary. It certainly was a good morning here in Asia today for investors. Markets really go off to a good start. The Nikkei was up over 1 percent and actually now it's above 1.5 percent.

We also have the Australia S&P up by .5 percent. Same story in Singapore and South Korea. We can't show you China's markets stakes on a national holiday so those markets are shut, though a certainly good day.

And Europe has now woken up too. So let's check in with the European markets. We have the FTSE off to a very strong start over 1 percent. The CAC even more so at 1.5. The Zurich SMI 1.5, the Xetra DAX we can't get the latest data that one hasn't open yet, it always take a few minutes.

So clearly markets really relieved there. And lots of insiders, Rosemary, in financial industry are calling this the Kudlow rally because as soon as he spoke as you heard there yesterday investors felt much calmer that this was part of a process, that the battle lines may be drawn but the trade war hasn't started yet.

CHURCH: All right. That's good to hear. Anna Stewart joining us from Tokyo. And now we go to Ivan, and China responded to this proposed U.S. tariffs with threats of its own. We saw the 25 send tariffs on $50 billion worth of U.S. goods. But of course now we're hearing that this is more about negotiation that helped to ease some of the market reaction, but when does the negotiation start, and how close did they get to a trade war here.

IVAN WATSON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, the Chinese clearly want the negotiating to start immediately. We're not expecting to hear much from the government, as Anna pointed out. It is a holiday here right now.

But we did hear from China's ambassador to Washington coming out to the State Department. Take a listen to the tone of his comments.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How do you think you can resolve this issue?


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And what about negotiations?

TIANKAI: Of course. Negotiation would still be our preference. Bu it takes two to tango.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And the U.S. has been playing tango on this one?

TIANKAI: We'll see what will they do.


WATSON: It takes two to tango the ambassador there says. Meanwhile, we're hearing kind of echoes of that coming from the White House. Sarah Huckabee Sanders she was asked about the possibility of a trade war and said, hey, listen, actually it probably would be a couple months until these tariffs go into effect.

[03:05:10] And in that time the White House hopes that China will bring an end to what the Trump administration describes as its unfair trade practices.

So you can see that both sides have made threats. There is a certain amount of posturing and they are hoping to see one or the other side blinks first or that they can come to some kind of a compromise.

Clearly part of the Chinese strategy, Rosemary, is to try to threaten to hurt the Trump administration where amid the voters. There have been some analysis done already that among more than 100 goods that China is threatening to slap tariffs on, most of those goods are produced or the economic activity takes place in counties that voted overwhelmingly for President Trump in the 2016 election.

And today's China daily newspaper, the editorial goes one step further warning, quote, "Soon farmers, ranchers, and other U.S. workers will now be adding their voices to the chorus of blame directed against President Trump." So that's the not so implicit threat coming from Beijing, which is also arguing that it would be better to negotiate and keep going with what it claims is a win-win situation of bilateral trade rather than a lose-lose situation of a trade war. Rosemary?

CHURCH: Indeed. And global markets want to see those negotiations get underway. Ivan Watson joining us from Beijing and talking of those markets. Let's bring up the European markets because of course trading has opened there.

We heard earlier from Anna Stewart. You can see everyone is in positive territory so they are very relieved to hear this news from the U.S. that it's more a negotiating tactic that's being played out rather than a trade war underway, and you can see there some positive figures there moving toward even 2 percent increases there on some of the markets. We'll keep an eye on them.

All right. I want to turn to Russia's interference in the U.S. election now. And senior officials say the Trump administration may impose sanctions on several Russian oligarchs possibly later this week. And that comes amid reports that special counsel Robert Mueller's team is questioning Russian oligarchs traveling to the United States.

One had his electronic devices searched while his team has requested documents from another. The special counsel could be looking into campaign contributions from the Russians, which would be illegal under U.S. law.

Well, CNN is learning new details about Mueller's investigation as it pertains to Donald Trump himself.

Our senior congressional correspondent Manu Raju has that.

MANU RAJU, CNN SENIOR CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Tonight, CNN has learned that during negotiations last month between Robert Mueller's team and President Trump's lawyers, the special counsel said Trump is not a target of the investigation, at least for now.

But the message was clear. The president is more than just a witness. As they seek to question Trump as part of the probe into Russian interference in the 2016 campaign.

Mueller's team also raised the prospect of drafting a report on any findings in the obstruction of justice part of the investigation. The president has denied any collusion or obstruction. Trump also has not settled on whether or not to talk to the special counsel. The White House won't say if Trump is still committed to speak under oath to Mueller.


SARAH HUCKABEE-SANDERS, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: The president is working in conjunction with his legal team and making a determination. I'd refer you to them.


RAJU: Fearing a trap, Trump confidants have urged the president not to sit down for an interview. But even some Republicans say he should talk to Mueller if he has nothing to hide.


TREY GOWDY, (R) UNITED STATES REPRESENTATIVE: Well, I would tell you if you did not rob the bank there's no reason for you not to sit down and talk to the FBI about the bank robbery. If you have nothing to hide sit down -- assuming a fair prosecutor, a fair prosecutor -- and I think Mueller is -- sit down and tell him what you know.


RAJU: All this comes as Roger Stone, a longtime confidant of the president, is facing new scrutiny. A CNN report raising new questions about Stone's communications with WikiLeaks which released hacked Clinton campaign e-mails during the 2016 election season. Stone has denied having any direct talks with WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange.

But newly uncovered audio of Stone appearing on the Info Wars radio show raises more questions about Stone's contradictory claims when he appeared on the radio program on August 4, 2016, Stone warned of, quote, "devastating information from WikiLeaks about the Clinton Foundation that would seen be released." He also said he had spoken to Trump a day before.


ROGER STONE, DONALD TRUMP'S CONFIDANT: The Clinton campaign narrative that the Russians favor Donald Trump and the Russians are leaking this information, this is inoculation because as you said earlier, they know what is coming and it is devastating.

[03:10:06] Let's remember that their defense to all of the Clinton Foundation scandals has been not that we didn't do it, has been you have no proof. Yes, but you have no proof. Well, I think Julian Assange has that proof, a I think he's going to furnish for the American people.


RAJU: On that same of that radio interview, Stone, according to a source familiar with the matter, sent an e-mail to former Trump advisor Sam Nunberg, saying he had dine with Assange and mention in a phone call. Stone now says that was all just in jest. This new revelation comes as former Trump confidant continue to face scrutiny from investigators.

A business associate Felix Sater, who was involved proposed Trump tower Moscow project during the 2016 campaign questioned today by staff on the Senate intelligence committee. He has repeatedly denied any wrongdoing.

And Trump's former campaign chairman Paul Manafort back in court today on his own lawsuit saying the federal charges he now faces exceed the scope of Mueller's purview since they allegedly occurred before the campaign. The judge has yet to rule on the Manafort lawsuit.

Now, also the data firm hired by the Trump campaign, Cambridge Analytica, has come under increased criticism over how it access the private data of Facebok users during the campaign season. Today the social media platform said Cambridge may have had accessed to the private data of 87 million Facebook users without their knowledge, and that is up from 50 million estimated just last month.

And all this comes as lawmakers in the United States prepare to grill Facebook's CEO Mark Zuckerberg when he testifies in week.

Manu Raju, CNN, Washington.

CHURCH: Tens of thousands of Syrians have been displaced from their homes due to the ongoing war there. Many are traumatized by what they have enjoyed and face an uncertain future.

Our Frederik Pleitgen visited a refugee camp in (Inaudible) to learn more about their desperate situation.


PLEITGEN: After escaping the violence in the eastern outskirts of Damascus for these kids, getting a haircut is a new and welcome distraction from the traumatic world they just got out of.

Ten-year-old Mohammed Meza describes the fighting he endured. "When it was calm we could go out," he says, "but when they were airstrikes we had to go into the basements."

Rebels help the eastern Ghouta area just outside Damascus for almost seven years but a recent government offensive forced tens of thousands of civilians to flee, many of them ending up at this camp run by the government and aid groups.

Workers here say there been around 21,000 new arrivals from besieged areas in the past weeks and they are struggling to keep up. Malnutrition and even starvation were major issues in the encircled areas of eastern Ghouta. And now that now thousands of people have fled just as one center for displaced people simply keeping them fed is a major logistical challenge.

Medical care is another challenge. NGOs have brought doctors and even a mobile clinic to the camp, the camp's director tells me psychological care for the traumatized civilians is an bigger problem.

"We're doing what we can but it's not enough," he says, "a siege of seven years implanting thoughts in the minds of children who were six years old when it began, this is the generation that we have the biggest problems with."

Tired, worn down, and with an uncertain future. The people who have made it here don't know when or if they will be able to go back to their neighborhoods or whether they will still have a home to go back to.

But some like this man say they used to fight with the rebels that lay down their arms and came to this government controlled area. "If you are a fighter with them they won't let you go," he says, "if you think you can escape this option doesn't exist."

After going through years of violence and losing almost everything they have many here are happy to have just escaped with their lives. Fred Pleitgen, CNN, (Inaudible), Syria.


CHURCH: The White House is tempering expectations of a U.S. troop withdrawal from Syria. President Trump has said he wants U.S. forces home as soon as possible. Sources say he is irritated with military leaders who are advising against an immediate pullout.

White House secretary Sarah Sanders, Press Secretary Sarah Sanders offered more details during Wednesday's press briefing.


[03:14:54] SANDERS: The purpose would be to transition and train local enforcement as well as have our allies and partners in the region who have a lot more at risk to put more skin into the game. And certainly that's something that the president wants to see happen is for them to step up and for them to do more.


CHURCH: Meantime, three major players in Syria, Russia, Iran, and Turkey ended some of Wednesday with a commitment to achieve a lasting ceasefire in the war ravaged country. The U.S. and Syria itself were noticeably absent from those talks.

So let's bring in our Jomana Karadsheh who is in Amman, Jordan, keeping an eye on all of this. And Jomana, what more are you learning about these trilateral talks on the ceasefire in Syria and what impact does this uncertainty over the future of U.S. troops in the region having on any outcome?

JOMANA KARADSHEH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, you know, Rosemary, like most of the meeting these international meetings we see on Syria, that meeting in Ankara with no much different. You know, a lot of talk not much action, you know, while you these three major players agreeing on what they want to see happen in Syria when you are talking on this long lasting cease-fire.

Yet again, were left not knowing how they are going to accomplish this and how they aim to achieve this, but I think symbolically, visually, this couldn't have come at a worse time for the United States not only with the U.S. absent from the table.

You know, it's coming at the same time you had these three major players in Syria standing together knowing what they want, knowing what their aims are in Syria, at the same time as you are seeing these mixed messages in this confusion, coming from Washington on what the United States aims and goals in Syria are.

You know, there has always been this ambiguity and confusion about the United States policy when it comes to Syria, but you know, this talk about whether they are going to withdraw their forces or not and if you look back at what U.S. officials have said in the past, you know, they've got two main goals, at least publicly, when it comes to Syria. One is defeating ISIS, the other one is curbing Iranian influence and

withdrawing U.S. forces anytime soon is going to be counterproductive for either of these goals. When it comes to defeating ISIS, you know, you hear President Trump talking about taking back territory that ISIS is been defeated, but military officials would tell you as we heard this over and over again over the years, Rosemary, not just in Syria and in Iraq also over the years, the military defeat is only one part of defeating a group like ISIS.

What comes next the second phase is almost as critical when you are talking about stabilization of these areas. We are talking about building local forces that will be capable of holding the ground and making sure that a group like ISIS does not reemerge again.

So, yet again, so many allies in this region of the United States are looking at all of this confused feeling that the United States is no longer a reliable ally, Rosemary.

CHURCH: Indeed. Jomana Karadsheh covering those developments in Syria from her vantage point in Amman, Jordan. Many thanks to you.

Well, Brazil's Supreme Court has ruled against former President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva's attempt to delay his 12-year prison sentence. Lula da Silva was found guilty last year of corruption and money laundering, but denies any wrongdoing. The case now goes back to a lower court where a warrant for his arrest could be issued within days.

Court's decision could diminish any plans he may have to run a game in Brazil's next presidential election.

Let's take a break here, but still ahead, the boss of Facebook maybe in for a rough time when he testifies next week before the U.S. Congress. It now appears the data scandal overtaking his company is even worse than first feared.

And spying on cell phones in Washington. The mysterious devices being used and who could be involved. We'll have that for you on the other side of the break. Stay with us.


CHURCH: Well, Russian state media report buses carrying American diplomats have left the embassy in Moscow. State run television also showed video of a convoy leaving. They were ordered to leave following the U.S. decision to expel 60 Russian diplomats over the nerve agent attack on a former Russian double agent and his daughter in England.

This as the Times of London reports British officials have pinpointed the Russian lab that made the novichok poison. Russia denies any involvement in the attack and wants to address it.


VLADIMIR PUTIN, RUSSIAN PRESIDENT (through translator): We're not expecting anything but common sense to prevail. International relations will not tolerate the recent damage done. This concerns not the Skripal case by the way, but a whole range of other issues too. We need to restore healthy political process based on the framework of fundamental international norms and principles, and only then will we achieve stability and predictability.


CHURCH: Russia was calling for U.N. Security Council meeting Thursday afternoon to discuss the matter.

Australian authorities have opened an investigation into Facebook after being told that personal data may have been taken from 300,000 Australian users without their knowledge. Facebook puts the number as high as 87 million mostly made up of users in the United States. So CEO Mark Zuckerberg can expect a lot of hard questions when he appears before the U.S. Congress next week.

All this prompted Zuckerberg to hold an hour-long telephone call with reporters.

CNN's Laurie Segall was on that call.

LAURIE SEGALL, CNN SENIOR TECHNOLOGY CORRESPONDENT: Hey, there. Well, Mark Zuckerberg taking questions from multiple reporters today, he started out a call in stepping a 45-minute call and he started it out by simply saying, you know, it's clear that they weren't doing enough. Take a listen.


MARK ZUCKERBERG, CEO AND CO-FOUNDER, FACEBOOK: We're an idealistic and optimistic company. And for the first decade we really focused on all the good that connecting people brings.

But it's clear now that we didn't do enough. We didn't focus enough on preventing abuse and thinking through how people could use these tools to do harm as well.


SEGALL: Ahead of this call, Facebook CTO put out a blog post that essentially said as many as 87 million people could be impacted by the Cambridge Analytica scandal that left people wondering what happened to their data. That number is up from 50 million. And Mark Zuckerberg on this call described that they look at the max impact.

This is a part of a transparency tour that Facebook is going on, answering these questions where a lot of folks are wondering how much access that this company had to our data what happened. And during this call a lot of reporters asking Mark Zuckerberg is he the one to run the company and he responded, yes, I am, life is about learning from mistakes.

He's preparing to go next week. It was announce he'll be testifying in front of Congress. He'll be answering a lot of hard questions about data retention what did the company do, what did the company not do. This call today is part of him going around and talking to different members of the press about transparency and control and what the company is doing with your data over the last couple -- over the last couple of days.

The company has actually put stricter policies making it harder for third party -- third party ad developers to access your data. So I think this is just the beginning of it. Next week will be a big week from Mark Zuckerberg. You know, you have lawmakers who are upset. You have the general public wondering what happened and why with our data being used for political purposes. It's not what we signed up for.

And you have, you know, Facebook CEO going on his apology tour and saying we'll do a better job, we'll be more transparent.

[03:25:01] This was a part of it today, he extended the call by 10 minutes saying, you know, let's keep going I want to answer more question. I think a lot of folks have a lot of questions for this company at this point in time.

Back to you.

CHURCH: Thanks so much. Well, Cambridge Analytica did not get user data directly from Facebook, rather it came from a third party that is an old firm called Global Science Research. In response to Facebook's claim that up to 87 million users could be affected Cambridge Analytica said it has licensed data for no more than 30 million people.

It says that was clearly stated in their contract with the research company and it says it did not receive any more data. Analytica also denies using any of it in the 2016 presidential campaign.

Well, here's another story we're following. Devices called stingrays can trick cell phones into giving out their secrets.

Our Tom Foreman reports the sting may be on in Washington, D.C. and many U.S. states with a mysterious trackers could be in use.

TOM FOREMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: This is like the opening of a spy novel, but with serious concerns and possibly real consequences. The Department of Homeland Security here in the United States says someone is using sophisticated devices. They believe to spy on cell phones. But who, and what, and why?

The information that cell phones in D.C. are possibly being secretly tracked came as a response to questions from Oregon Democratic Senator Ron Wyden. He asked Homeland security if they had any evidence of foreign governments was using what is commonly called stingray devices. And the department said it has observed anomalous activity in the national capital region that appears to be consistent with international mobile subscriber identity catchers stingray.

On show such as Homeland they are a popular high-tech troll. So what are they? Stingrays and similar devices are about the size of a briefcase and emit a signal mimicking a cell phone tower tricking phones into connecting with the stingray even when those phones are not in use, meaning, even when no one is talking.

Well, we called counterespionage Kevin Murray in New Jersey.


KEVIN MURRAY, COUNTERESPIONAGE CONSULTANT: These things has the capability of tracking so if you wanted pick persons and say let's see where they go and talk to during the day. They might give you just enough intelligence to make some decisions without even doing the eavesdropping. But as the person is careless enough to make phone calls and discuss secrets over the phone that's a real problem, especially on a government level.


FOREMAN: A few years ago, Deputy U.S. Attorney General Sally Yates said cell site simulators stingrays are really critical tool for us in finding fugitives and finding kidnapping victims and drug cases. Still, she also acknowledged the need for restraint.

American Civil Liberties Union says law enforcement agencies in at least 25 states and D.C. have stingrays. And the ACLU argues their use often constitutes a type of illegal search and invasion of privacy, innocent people and their phones swept up in the electronic neck.

So that's what these devices are and that's what they do. Still unanswered. Who is behind it? Is it a foreign government, is it a terrorist, is it some super secret police operations? If Homeland security knows so far they are not letting on.

Tom Forman, CNN Washington.

CHURCH: Many thanks to you. Fascinating story there.

Let's take a short break here, but still to come, President Donald Trump is taking action to secure the U.S. border but his plan is short on details. That still to come.

Plus, playing to the base. Why Donald Trump's recent rhetoric sounds more than a little familiar. We're back in a moment.


[03:30:00] CHURCH: A very warm welcome back tour viewers joining us from all around the world. I'm Rosemary Church, this is CNN Newsroom. Let's us update you on the main stories we are following. China says it plans to impose new tariffs on $50 billion in U.S. goods. Including planes, cars and soybeans. That follows a similar announcement from the U.S. earlier this week. The White House is urging caution, saying threats of new tariffs are a negotiating tactic.

Russian media report buses carrying American diplomats have left the embassy in Moscow. The envoys were ordered to leave after the U.S. expelled 60 Russian diplomats over the nerve agent attack on a former Russian spy and his daughter in the U.K. Moscow wants the U.N. Security Council to meet on stage to discuss the matter.

Brazil's Supreme Court has ruled that former President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, must start serving his 12 years prison sentence for corruption. He was found guilty last year. He had hoped the top court would delay his sentence while he appeals his conviction. A lower court could now issue a warrant for his arrest within days.

Well, U.S. President Donald Trump is sending National Guard troops to the Mexican border after days of calling for more security there. In a memorandum, he said a surge of a legal activity on the southern border was approaching a crisis point. The Homeland Security Secretary says forces would be deployed immediately, but she couldn't say how many, for how long or at what cost.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How soon do you think whatever the number is, the deployments will begin?

KIRSTJEN NIELSEN, HOMELAND SECURITY SECRETARY: Let me take the last part first. We do hope that the deployment begins immediately.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Signs and duration?

NIELSEN: This president -- we have not -- I don't want to get ahead of the governors.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: More robust than the Bush deployment?

NIELSEN: I think, it will be strong. It will be as many as is needed to fill the gaps that we have today, that is what I can tell you.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Can you -- give a cost for this move -- for what this will cost?

NIELSEN: I can't, unfortunately. I think looking at past numbers should be indicative, but it really depends on the very specific mission sets that they'll provides.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How much will it cost to complete the entirety of the wall you desire?

NIELSEN: So we are the -- the border patrol as you know, has submitted a very specific plan to Congress.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So we don't have a total ticket price at this time? It's still unclear what you think it will cost?

NIELSEN: We have the down payments for reaching this Congress.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Does that mean troops could be sent to the border as soon as tonight?

NIELSEN: It does mean that. But what it also means is we will do it in conjunction with the governors. I am not getting ahead of them.


CHURCH: Joining me now to talk more about this is Theresa Cardinal Brown, she is the director of Immigration Policy at the Bipartisan Policy Center. And we want to get your take on all of this, because you were there when George W. Bush deployed 6,000 National Guard troops to the border with Mexico back in 2006. So now the Trump administrations is planning to do the same, but given the National Guard is not authorized to enforce any immigration laws, what's the point exactly, or is this more about optic in pleasing his base?

THERESA CARDINAL BROWN, DIRECTOR OF IMMIGRATION POLICY, BIPARTISAN POLICY CENTER: Well the functions of the National Guard troops when the previous deployments both under President Bush and under President Obama, was to support the border patrol. And by supporting the border patrol with what that meant was they would perform lots of functions that where not front-line on the border, that things like helping with construction of roads along the border, maybe repairing existing barriers and fences, monitoring surveillance equipment.

[03:35:06] Maybe they would deploy additional National Guard surveillance to help notify border patrol what's going on the border, even sometimes back off as processing of apprehended immigrants.

All of those are support functions and so by deploying the National Guard to assist in their support function. The ideas is you have more border patrol agents who are able to go out on the border.

CHURCH: Now as a candidate, Mr. Trump promise a big beautiful border wall and he said Mexico would pay for it, how is his base going to respond to these interim measure involving a National Guard unable to enforce laws at the border with the American taxpayer footing the bill?

BROWN: Well I -- I think the president certainly expressed his frustration at not getting the funding from Congress for his border wall and his base expressed similar frustrations, so a lot of this probably is a telling the days that, hey I am doing something, I am helping to secure the border even if Congress will give me the money.

I think they also have said that this is intended to go on until Congress passes additional enforcement border authorities for the president and maybe some more money. So in some cases this is about getting Congress to act, talking to his base and a show of force on even with the National Guard physically at the border, there will be more border patrol agents before at that border and the Department Homeland Security said, part of this is an effort to deter additional migrants from coming.

CHURCH: Right. And of course, we still don't know how many troops will be deployed and for how long in the other question, of course, is the cost, we mention that. How much is this likely to cost American taxpayers, you remember back in the years when 6,000 troops were used with during the George W. Bush era?

BROWN: I do not remember the exact amounts, but one thing that you have to understand is the National Guard troops are in control by the governors of the states and so any sort of deployment would be covered under state budgets. Now the Federal Government may reimburse the states and so that will be part of the discussion between the governors and -- and the federal government about authorizing the deployment of the governors National Guard troops to the border. It is important to understand, the president cannot just call off the National Guard for this purpose on his own. It's got to be negotiated with those governors.

CHURCH: And with all its on President Trump plate right now. Why is this the issue that has him so fired up, particularly given border crossing numbers have been historically low?

BROWN: Well they have been low, but this month -- border patrol just released today as a matter fact, the latest monthly numbers. And they should be -- have shown a significant increase from the previous month, and even from last year at this time, so there is an uptick that having been said, the numbers are still on average, much lower than in the last border. Last National Guard troops were deployed to the border under President Obama and President Bush.

Why is the president doing it this time, could be a lot of reasons. I think it is a mention frustration over not getting a border wall funding, this is a midterm election year in Congress and he is hoping to exercise his base and get them to turn out supportive Republicans in the election on a show of force, you know, that any number of things, but immigration -- immigration and border has been his campaign promise. It has been part and parcel of his presidency since his inauguration, and it is very important to him.

CHURCH: Theresa Cardinal Brown, thank you so much for joining us. We appreciate it.

BROWN: You're welcome.

CHURCH: Meanwhile, a caravan of migrants is traveling from Mexico toward the U.S. border. Some had arrived in the central city of Puebla. There were reports that journey had ended by the CNN's Leyla Santiago shows us they are still working their way north.


LEYLA SANTIAGO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: While President Trump and even the Mexican government has said, that a large group of people marching north aim at Mexico has been dispersed or disbanded. The organizers and the participants in south are telling us they will continue north. Here is the proof, here they are. These are some of the participants. They tell me they are from Central America, Guatemala, Salvador as wells as Honduras. Many of them coming from Honduras telling us that they are fleeing of virus, political corruption as wells as poverty. Trying to make their way north.

Now the majority of these people tell us that they are going to continue to the U.S.-Mexico border in an attempt to get to the U.S. and it doesn't matter what President Trump says, of if President Trump sends the National Guard to the U.S.-Mexico border. They will find a way to get north. Now, the organizers tell us that many of them will ask -- will seek asylum at the U.S.-Mexico border, but Mexico has actually offered some people on humanitarian grounds to have permissions to stay in this country.

Some of the participants of this march, are choosing that option and will be staying in Mexico, but the organizers of this march, they will continue north, that the march continues, despite what government officials may say. Leyla Santiago, CNN, Puebla, Mexico.


[03:40:15] CHURCH: And getting tough on immigration is just one of the many ways Donald Trump has been playing to his base of voters in recent days, but some of the moves could end up backfiring. And CNN's Randi Kaye reports.


DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: -- retailers all over the United States are throwing out --

RANDI KAYE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It's the president is trying to impress his base. Comments like that may do the trick. No doubt Trump has a personal beef with Amazon founder Jeff Bezos, who also owns the Washington Post, but Trump had been going after Amazon is also defending "Brick and Mortar" retailers, which he says are getting sweet.

TRUMP: If you look at some of these small-town with a beautiful Main Street the stores -- the stores are all gone.

KAYE: Those retailers in many cases "Mom and Pop" shops, part of what Donald Trump sees as his base. His effort to keep his supporters in Middle America and elsewhere happy, may explain some of his recent rhetoric about tariffs too, sounding more like he did during the campaign.

TRUMP: China is upset, because of the way Donald Trump is talking about trade with China. They are ripping us folks, it's time.

KAYE: Trump's move to slapped tariffs on China, with a nod to his base, but less than 24 hours after the White House unveiled a list of Chinese imports. They plan to target for unfair trade practices, China slapped his own tariffs on the United States, targeting agricultural exports from U.S. farm belt states like soybeans, corn, wheat, and beef. Now the farmers who largely supported Trump could get hurt. Still Trump's top economic advisor hinted that in the end, there may be no tariffs at all.

LARRY KUDLOW, DIRECTOR, U.S. NATIONAL ECONOMIC COUNCIL: I doubt if there be any concrete actions for several months. We will see how that plays out. Nothing concrete is actually happened. These are proposals.

KAYE: And what about immigration, after a tough talking campaign in deciding and the DACA program last year, the president started to sound as if he were willing across the aisle on immigration issues, In January even calling for a bipartisan quote, "Bill of love," to protect dreamers, the hundreds of thousands of young people brought here illegally, but now once again it is taking a heart of stance.

The president on a care about weak laws and porous borders, stoking fears for the upcoming midterms like he did during the campaign. In a tweet on Sunday the president announced no more DACA deal.

SARAH HUCKABEE SANDERS, DEPUTY WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: The president has been very clear about the multiple proposals on the table to fix the problem and Democrats had not been willing to take the deals, it is actually a really good deal on much further than the previous administration.

KAYE: And those National Guard troops, the president plans to send to help shore up the southern border with Mexico, border security is an issue that won him lots of support during the campaign and he is playing to that base again.

KIRSTJEN NIELSEN, HOMELAND SECURITY SECRETARY: It will be strong. It will be as many as is needed to fill the gaps.

KAYE: Promises in the year 2018. That sounds a lot like 2016. Randy Kaye, CNN, New York.


CHURCH: We will take another short break, but still to come. 50 years later to this day, a motel in Tennessee became the center of tributes and slab memories. The world recalls the murder of Martin Luther King Jr. Plus, she lives through the holocaust, but she was murdered at 85 in a violent anti-Semitic attack, a nation and her son ask why.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He wants something to my mother. It is so awful, it is so criminal. A nice woman that loved everybody, the guide know -- 792. Where are we, I have no explanation.



CHURCH: Well, people in France are trying to make sense of a murder of an oldie Jewish woman who survived the horrors of the Nazis. But as Hassan told CNN's Melissa Bell, she believed in people.


MELISSA BELL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Mireille Knoll mistake not survived the Holocaust, but was killed on March 23rd at the age of 85 in a brutal anti-Semitic attack that shock the world. Less than two weeks on her son wants to speak for her.

DANIEL KNOLL, MIREILLI KNOLL'S SON: I think she wants that the people go together. But our friends, our neighbors, even with that -- they call all together.

BELL: And get together they did. In the thousands they marched through the streets of Paris on March 28, to condemn anti-Semitism and to remember Mireille Knoll.

KNOLL: I am surprised that the world is shocked, but just do not mater and what is up into my mother is so awful, it is so criminal, a nice woman that like -- love everybody. The guide know here (inaudible) 792. Where are we, I have no explanation.

BELL: Mireille had lived in his apartment block for more than 20 years. On March 23rd, she was stabbed 11 times and then burned as the culprits try to set fire to her apartment. Daniel had tried to warn his mother about one of the men accused of killing her a 28-year-old known to police, according to Knoll family's lawyer, citing sources close to the investigation. He shouted Allu Akbar as he carried out the attack.

KNOLL: (inaudible) they bothered kill her, that's crazy. She likes him. She likes him and she is doing (inaudible) with him.

BELL: Mireille Knoll life didn't simply end with anti-Semitism. It began with it, during the Nazi occupation of France, she escaped Paris and the concentration camps, only thanks to her mother's Brazilian passport, but her son says it is a different sort of anti-Semitism that killed her.

KNOLL: It is not only France is all Europe. We are the problem, its pity to say that, but that is the truth. And we have to fight against this minority of Muslim people and I hope we are friends, Muslim friends, we fights against this monster. We have to (inaudible) finished.

BELL: How will you remember your mother?

KNOLL: She believes the people, she was so friendly, we feel very bad, all the life she was living that. Those are wonderful.

BELL: Melissa Bell, CNN, Paris.


CHURCH: Well, people across America and the world are remembering Martin Luther King Jr. and mocking the 50th anniversary of his assassination. One of the biggest commemorations took place in Memphis, Tennessee, with thousands gathered around the historic Lorraine Motel pro-rally and interfaith service and a musical tribute. Martin Luther King Jr. was shot dead while standing on the balcony of the Lorraine Motel on April 4, 1968.

Civil rights activist Jesse Jackson was with King at the time and says it is still hurts.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I had been blessed by God to come back here 50 years later. And every time the sky comes off the sword still (inaudible).

[03:50:00] This is a site of the crucifixion and not far from here is the resurrection, the new hope and the new possibilities.


CHURCH: And Stevie Wonder is using his very first tweet to honor the legacy of Doctor King, a Grammy award-winning singer joined the social media platform just a few hours ago, and his debut included a star- studded video with some VIPs share their hopes for the future in a nod to Kings, I have a dream speech. Take a look.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My dream is that we learn to protect our planet.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That we learn to care for each other in the world, so that my children have a future.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And in my dream, is building bridges not walls.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In my dream, there is equal opportunity for everyone.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: For everyone to be judge by their contributions and their merit.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Not the color of your skin and the money in your pocket doesn't determined the value of your life.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That there will be justice and equality for all.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: More acceptance and more power.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Freedom and equality for all.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In any world were our only angle is human.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: then when we play the race card, it's the human race card.


CHURCH: How about that. Well, next here on CNN Newsroom, a desperate search ends for a family that spent more than two decades looking for their daughter. The tearful reunion when we come back.


CHURCH: A Chinese woman who went missing as a toddler has finally been reunited with her family, 24 years later, Hannah Vaughn Jones tells the story of a family that never gave up.


HANNAH VAUGHAN JONES, CONNECT THE WORLD GUEST HOST: An embrace between father and daughter separated for nearly a quarter of a century. He was just three years old when she went missing in 1994. Now she has a 27-year-old mother of two. Amid tears of joy, the family reunites in southwestern China on Tuesday and begins to making up for so much lost time. It's a remarkable story, thanks to the sheer determination of Yuanming Jing (ph). The father who just would not give up.

His daughter Ki Fang, that vanished one day while he was on an errand to change money. The fruit seller and his wife left heartbroken.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (TRANSLATOR): It happen over there. I came back after changing some money and our daughter just went missing all of the sudden.

VAUGHAN JONES: They searched for years. To expand his search, Wang works as a driver for a ride hailing service. His dream that his daughter might step into his car as a passenger. With no pictures off Key Fang, he posted a childhood picture of her sister in the back window and handed out cards to every passenger. After years of a disappointment, a sudden turn of events, when a young woman living on the opposite side of China, saw an age progression during of key Fang as an adult, that Wang posted on the internet.

Key Fang had been found shortly after she went missing by a foster family. He said the little girl was crying by the side of the road. She was brought up the family, about 100 kilometers from her father in Chengdu.

An online chat let her a video call and his DNA test and then the long awaited reunion under the sea of cameras and a nationwide audience.

[03:55:00] UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (TRANSLATOR): After this reunion. I will try to come back and be close to them as close as I can.

VAUGHAN JONES: A separated family finally made it home. Hannah Vaughn Jones, CNN.

CHURCH: With extraordinary story there. Well, no one really needed more proof of Cristiano Ronaldo's greatness, but the Portuguese football provided just that on Tuesday with a graffiti defined goal, that let the sports world stoned. CNN's Patrick Snell reports.


PATRICK SNELL, CNN SPORTS REPORTER: the entire stadium roast to its feet. Fans of both Rio, Madrid and opposing team (inaudible). Sharing after what some are claiming will be greatest goal in the history of sports.

Cristiano Ronaldo's 120 championship goals, this one was different. In Tuesday night court of finals, the 33 year old defying gravity to throw himself in to the air and acrobatically smashing the ball into the back of the net. Even the Real Madrid managers seemed taken aback, and he was not the only one. U.S. basketball star Lebron James posting a picture of the goal commenting to Cristiano. That is just not even fair. Even Renaldo had to pass himself on the back. CRISTIANO RONALDO, FOOTBAL STAR: It was spectacular. I jumped very

high, obviously it is a goal that remains in your memory. Perhaps my best goal.

SNELL: Soon after the game, the Portuguese Instagram the video of his remarkable strike with the caption, "Hard work pays off," an attribute to years trying to perfect the moves. For Ronaldo practice did indeed make perfect, in training on Monday, he tried the very same kick numerous times, which paid off in a big way in Tuesday's game. Of course, no goal like that will go down as the best of all time without several challenges, even by the manager of Real Madrid, who compared Renaldo's moved with one of his own when he was still a player.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (TRANSLATOR): This is one of the most beautiful goals in the history of football. Maybe not so (inaudible) when is scored in 2000, two champions late fire (ph).

SNELL: Whether or not, Renaldo's goal will go down as the best of all time may be debatable, but it is a fact that Renaldo has now set a new records scoring in 10 successive champions league games, making him and his very acrobatic strike at the very least legendary. Patrick Snell, CNN.


CHURCH: Magnificent and thanks for your company this hour. I'm Rosemary Church. The news continues with Max Foster in London. Have a great day.