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North Korea Bomb Test Site to be Dismantled This Month; Three People Held for Questioning after Attack in Paris; New Lava Fissure Opens Up in Hawaii; 1965 Mustang: an American Icon; Inside the Tudor Chapel where Kings are Buried; U.S. Embassy Opens Soon In Jerusalem; Palestinians Plan Protests Over U.S. Embassy Move;; New Bombing Strikes Indonesian City Of Surabaya; Iranian Foreign Minister On Trip to Try to Salvage Nuclear Deal; Third Teen Allegedly Raped, Set on Fire In India; Nearly 100 Sexual Assaults Reported Every Day in India; Teen Bride's Death Sentence Sparks Global Outrage. Ared 1-2a ET

Aired May 14, 2018 - 01:00   ET



[01:00:09] CYRIL VANIER, CNN ANCHOR: The U.S. Embassy in Israel officially moves to Jerusalem in a few hours. I'll be asking how this impacts hopes for peace between Israelis and Palestinians.

Indonesia struck by another bomb in Surabaya, the same city where Islamists attacked several churches on Sunday.

And also, look at this, a new fissure on volcano Kilauea in Hawaii. How dangerous could this get? CNN's Weather Center has the answers on that.


Live, from the CNN Center, here in Atlanta, I'm Cyril Vanier. It's great to have you with us.

So, it's 8 a.m. local time in Jerusalem, a new day and a new era. The U.S. Embassy set to officially open its doors in Jerusalem in just a few hours.

U.S. President, Donald Trump, made the decision to move the embassy from Tel Aviv last year and to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of the Jewish state. Palestinians object to the moves, they are planning widespread protests.

CNN's Oren Liebermann is reporting on this, live from Jerusalem.

Give us the play by play, what happens today?

OREN LIEBERMANN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, let's start with the big event of the day, and that's at 4 o'clock, local time. So, in just about 8 hours - - that is when what was, up until now, a consular office about a mile south of where we're standing right now, officially becomes the U.S. Embassy in Jerusalem, in Israel. That is the focus of all of the events today. We'll see a number of speakers there. President Donald Trump has a pre-recorded message that they'll play - - but then, the other speakers, Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, Israeli President, Reuven Rivlin, the U.S. Ambassador to Israel, David Friedman and quite a few others.

There are also a few evangelical pastors speaking. It gives you an idea that Trump seems to very much be targeting his base here.


They, of course, have very much supported the move, the recognition of Jerusalem as the Capital of Israel. As well as the move of the embassy from Tel Aviv, where it has been for decades now, to Jerusalem.

Apart from the official ceremony, there are a number of other smaller ceremonies and receptions, including one yesterday where Netanyahu hosted the American delegation that's here. A delegation that's quite large to officially open the embassy, that was yesterday.


There are receptions, ceremonies, press conferences going on throughout the day, and even after the official ceremonies.

So, Cyril, this is a very big deal for Israel, for the U.S., for the State Department and for many others.

VANIER: It's also a very big deal for Palestinians. How are they reacting?

LIEBERMANN: As is so often the case when we talked about this a bit yesterday, when one side is celebrating, the other side is frustrated or angry, or mourning, and that is exactly the case here. Let's not forget the opening of the embassy is timed to coincide with the 70th anniversary of the State of Israel.


For Palestinians, that's the 70th anniversary of Nakba Day, what they consider the catastrophe of the creation of the State of Israel, and there are protests marked throughout the region.

The biggest will no doubt be Gaza, where the Israeli military says they're expecting up to 150,000 Palestinians marching towards the fence. In a series of protests over the last few weeks that they've called the March of Return.

150,000 Palestinians is 10 times bigger than the protest last Friday. That's Gaza, my colleague, Ian Lee, will be reporting from there all day.

There are a number of other protests here, as well, including one timed to coincide in Jerusalem with the opening of the embassy at 4 o'clock, local. As well as more protests scheduled for tomorrow morning and throughout the day tomorrow, to mark Nakba Day.


So, this is being marked on both sides, Cyril, in two very different ways.

VANIER: Oren Liebermann, reporting live from Jerusalem. Thank you very much.

Also, joining me from Jerusalem now, is Haviv Gur, a journalist, political analyst also, for The Times of Israel.

I wonder, Haviv, what the reaction is in Israel? I mean, I know the reaction has been overwhelmingly positive from the government, from the Prime Minister, himself, but does everybody in Israel support this move?

HAVIV GUR, JOURNALIST, POLITICAL ANALYST, THE TIMES OF ISRAEL: I think the vast majority of Israeli Jews certainly support the move, but I think maybe it's a little bit more dramatic overseas than it is here. Israelis don't really consider Jerusalem to have been in question, in terms of being their capital.


There's a debate within Israel over what happens with East Jerusalem, but there's no sanctity that the American move has validated something important in the Israeli narrative. So, there - - there - - there's a sense of support, but I wouldn't take it more than that.

There's no dancing in the streets, it's not as dramatic here, maybe, as it is overseas where it really has been the subject of a major debate.


VANIER: Yes. That's very interesting to know. So, what is this move change in the long-term, then?

GUR: It's hard to say. The consulate building that they're moving to, it's not yet a permanent embassy, it's a little bit of a jurirate (ph) situation. There's going to be an office for the ambassador.


In the existing consulate, it's not clear what services will be given there. And, more importantly to the symbol, there is still a second consulate in Jerusalem, that is the American Consulate to the Palestinians. So, the move has - - it symbolizes something about the Trump administration's policy.

[01:05] We don't know if that will hold true in the next administration and it doesn't really make any decision about the future of Jerusalem. The parts of Jerusalem that are Arab majority are still Arab neighborhoods. The parts that are Jewish, the majority are still Jewish neighborhoods. (END VIDEOTAPE)

The city's still just divided as it was. It's a little bit more of a political fight than a fight on the ground in real life.

VANIER: But, I wonder, does this kill the peace process? Or, does this jeopardize the peace process? Is this another thing that, perhaps, is a debate that's felt more intensely in foreign policy circles than it is in Israel?

GUR: I think that's the million dollar question. That's what everyone is trying to figure out. What results in terms of the peace process from this move?

As far as we can tell on the ground - - the responses we're seeing, the Israeli support, the Palestinian anger, they're not - - nobody is taking they're que from the embassy move and deciding to then walk away from some existing peace negotiations or anything like that.


Really, we're seeing symptoms of the preexisting lack of a process, lack of trust, lack of a willingness to move forward with hard compromises, including on Jerusalem.

So, it's more of a blip on a trend, and the trend is going in a bad direction. But, the Palestinians were not going to come to the table without this move and I don't think for Israelis, also, it somehow makes them more willing to come to the table.


VANIER: Sure, and I understand, and we had no illusions about the fact that currently, the peace process is nowhere. There are no negotiations.

So, it's not currently going anywhere, but if and when it does restart, and I think it's fair to assume one day those negotiations and those conversations will start again. The criticism about this embassy move was that the U.S. will no longer be able to be a broker.

Is that something that raises concern, or not?

GUR: I think certainly for the Palestinians. On the Palestinian side, the U.S. looks very different under Trump than it under Obama.


There's a little bit of exhaustion about the Palestinians, certainly on the Israeli side, but also I think in Washington among Democrats. Because under Obama the Palestinians had a very hard time coming to the negotiating table and that's not necessarily a criticism, right?

This is not an easy negotiation, they have to give up not just a lot of land, but narrative and a lot of sort of they're story of this possession in order to make a peace with an Israel that they still vehemently and sort of fundamentally oppose.


So, the gap is very, very wide here, and it's easy to understand why the Palestinians struggle with this. But, to suggest that this is making it harder for the Palestinians to come to the table, suggests that under Obama there was more ability, we saw negotiating process in 2014.

But, it took five years of the Obama administration pushing to get that process underway. It didn't go anywhere and in the last three years of Obama, it also didn't go anywhere.

So, it certainly making it a little bit harder. It's not clear that it was possible before. I - - I - - it's a confusing situation, it's not at all clear what the future holds. So, it's hard to give a very clear answer.

VANIER: It certainly has been a long time since the peace process has gone anywhere, as you put it. I just wonder, is Donald Trump the perfect U.S. President in the eyes, and for the purposes, of Benjamin Netanyahu?

Because he has pulled out of the Iran nuclear deal. He has moved the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem. Is there anything more that your prime minister could have dreamed of from a U.S. President?

GUR: He is seen by Israelis, including the many, many Israelis who don't support him and don't like him very much, as having called this one very correct.


When Donald Trump to Israelis - - because of all of the scandals and antics in election campaign, he looks a little bit like a clown to Israelis. Our politicians tend to be a little bit more stayed, a little bit more serious.


Read books, things like that - - and Israelis have - - Netanyahu made a policy decision to dive in fully with the Trump administration, to back it and - - and - - and to really make this work for Israel. And when he pulled out of the Iran nuclear deal - - which some Israelis want that deal back, but most Israelis do not, most Israelis really do oppose that deal.

And now, with the embassy move, I think Netanyahu's riding high among Israelis as the guy who called it with the Trump administration, and made a decision that most Israeli politicians would not have wanted to make. Which is to really, really back the Trump administration and it has paid dividends for Israel.

So, that has been something that Netanyahu really has won the debate in Israel about. So, I guess the answer would be yes. [01:10] VANIER: Alright. Haviv Gur, from The Israel Times. Thank you very much. About eight hours left before the U.S. Embassy is officially opened in Jerusalem.

Haviv, thank you.

We're still tracking developments out of Indonesia, where hours ago a new explosion rocked the city of Surabaya.


That is the same city that we told you about yesterday. It was hit by a series of deadly church bombings. At least four police officers and six civilians were wounded in this latest blast on Monday.

Officials say it happened when a bomb strapped to a motorcycle exploded outside a police station. This comes after at least seven people were killed by suicide bombers on Sunday.

And this here, what you're seeing is the vigil that was held for the victims. An official says the attackers were husband and wife, and their four children.

As CNN's Pauline Chu reports, they used their children to help them carry out the blasts.


PAULINE CHU, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Shock, confusion and horror.


A series of suicide bombing Sunday morning targeting three Christian churches in Indonesia's second largest city. Carried out within minutes of each other, by six members of the same family with suspected links to ISIS in Indonesia.

Worshipers at Santa Maria Catholic Church, the Indonesian Christian Church and the Pentecost Central Church in Surabaya, run in disbelief. Ushered by police amid scattered debris, as more people are reported dead or injured.


UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: They were doing mass and my husband was reseating guests. He opened the doors. He's injured really badly.


CHU: This CCTV footage captured one of the suicide bombers riding a motorcycle before detonating his explosives. According to police, the father drove a van with his wife and two daughters, age 12 and 9. He dropped them off at one of the churches where they detonated a bomb inside.

He then drove to the next church and detonated his bomb in front of the building. At the same time, the two sons blew up their bombs while riding motorcycles at the third church.

ISIS's media wing, Amaq News Agency, claimed responsibility for the blasts. Describing them as martyrdom attacks, without providing any proof to substantiate the claim.

The predominantly Muslim country has long struggled with domestic terrorists groups, particularly the Al-Qaeda affiliated Jemaah Islamiyah. Which has claimed responsibility for a number of attacks between 2000 and 2010, including the deadly 2002 Bali bombings, which left more than 200 people dead.

In recent years the Asian nation has been fighting against radical extremism, as ISIS attempts to recruit new members.


JOKO WIDODO, INDONESIAN PRESIDENT: The country's apparatus will not let this cowardice be allowed. I'm calling for all layers of the public to fight terrorism, to fight radicalism, which are against the values of religion, our national values as a nation that upholds the value of God and diversity.


CHU: Pauline Chu, CNN.


VANIER: Iran says Europe has two months to offer Tehran enough guarantees to stay in the nuclear deal.


This comes as Iran's Foreign Minister, Javad Zarif, continues his tour to try to convince other signatories to the agreement to keep it. This, despite the U.S. withdrawing from the nuclear deal.

The first stop was Beijing on Sunday. President Hassan Rouhani said that Iran will remain committed to the accord, so long as its interests are insured, but there is opposition from hardliners.


So far, Iran faces the re-imposition of sanctions from the U.S. only. The U.S. National Security Advisor, John Bolton, however, talked with CNN's Jake Tapper about what happens next.


JAKE TAPPER, CNN HOST: So, President Trump said this week that, quote, "Any nation that helps Iran in its quest for nuclear weapons could also be strongly sanctioned by the United States."

Is the United States going to sanction European companies that do business with Iran? JOHN BOLTON, U.S. NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR: I think the issue here is what the Europeans are going to do. If they're going to see that it's not in their interests to stay in the deal, we're going to have to watch what the Iranians do.

They'd love to stay in the deal. Why shouldn't they? They got everything they wanted from the Obama administration. But, I think the Europeans will see that it's in their interests, ultimately, to come along with us.


VANIER: And this is important because if European companies stop trading with Iran, this would effectively kill the deal.

Now, Bolton also clarified that he supported regime change in Iran as a private citizen, but he is not making that decision for the Trump administration.

A growing pattern of violence against women and girls in India.


We'll tell you what officials there are saying that they're doing to stop this epidemic.

Plus, we'll show you the efforts to save a young woman convicted of killing her husband, why they want the teen bride's life to be spared.



PATRICK SNELL, CNN SPORTS: I'm Patrick Snell, with your CNN Sports Now headlines. We start in England's Premier League where Mo Salah has once again been the starter.


Where he rewrote the history books when it comes to goal scoring, as well as winning the Premier Leagues Player of the Season Award. Salah instrumental in his team's 4-0 victory over Brighton. He grabbed the opener in the 26 minutes. His 32nd of the campaign, the most by any player ever in a 38 game season.


Meantime, Premier League champs Man City just keep on winning, especially when there are records at stake.


With the last kick of the season, although, they scored the all- important goal coming four minutes into stoppish (ph) time, as Southampton, that victory seeing Pep Guardiola's men get the 100 points tally, thanks to the Brazilian Governor, Jesus (ph). They also set a new top flight record for the biggest winning margin by the champions ending 19 points clear of their rivals United.


And in Spain, Formula 1 superstar, Lewis Hamilton has now recorded back-to-back wins for the first time this year, following victory at the Spanish Grand Prix. The Brit was on pole position for the third straight year at this venue in Barcelona and he led from the start to finish, to extend his lead atop the driver standings.

This victory never in doubt, his teammate Valtteri Bottas coming in second place, extending (inaudible) lead in this instructor's championship, back to back wins for Hamilton.


That's a look at your Sports Now headlines, I'm Patrick Snell.


VANIER: Welcome back.

A horrific pattern emerging in India, where yet another teenage girl was allegedly raped and then set on fire.


Police in central India are investigating this latest incident. It is the third attack of this kind reported this month. Sexual assault crimes have increased in India the last few years, and just last month thousands of people across the country protested sexual violence against woman and girls, because of cases like this.


Senior International Correspondent, Sam Kiley, is live in Saga (ph), India, not far from where this happened.

Sam, can you fill in the details for us on this latest case?

SAM KILEY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, this case in Saga (ph), or near Saga (ph), was the third in the space of week involving the alleged rape and the burning to death of a child. Two others were burned to death in another part of India, some 800 miles away,

And, we've been crisscrossing the country trying to unpick the notion as to whether or not there is an epidemic of these sorts of crimes, or whether it is endemic in India, and this is what we've found, Cyril.


This woman's daughter was allegedly raped and murdered a few days ago. The child had been locked in her own home. Her brother found her bound and gagged, and aflame in this back room. She was 16.

The third child allegedly burned and raped in India in a week. One died, another was hospitalized, in almost identical alleged attacks in Jharkhand province 800 miles away. But, outrage over what some have called an epidemic of violent sex crimes, first boiled over this year in January, in Jammu, 1,000 miles north.



The child was held here in the village temple dedicated to the Hindu God of Ram, she was held for several days, she was drugged, she was tortured and she was raped by several men. And, she was 8 years old.

The child was a Muslim. Her body was found not far down this jungle track.

The accused in this case have denied all of the allegations against them, but the victim lies buried, here in an unmarked grave. To many she's just yet another victim of a vicious sexual hate crime, but to others she's a symbol of something more rotten in the body of India.



Hindu-Muslim tensions over the death of the child mean some Muslims have been leaving the area.

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: There is a mob standing everywhere in India, waiting for a signal to attack Muslims. They think we'll deal with the repercussions later, no one is held accountable.



Even rights groups are blaming the government and the ruling party.



KAVITA KRISHNAN, ACTIVIST: I squarely hold the government of India responsible. The ruling party responsible for creating an Islamophobic and anti-Dalit climate that justifies acts of sexual violence, and other forms of violence, against these minorities.


KILEY: India's government has scrambled to react to public outrage over the attacks on Muslims and Dalits, so called untouchables.


Minister, what efforts are the Indian government and its agencies working to try to put an end - - which critics would say is an epidemic of sexual violence, an epidemic of rape? RAVI SHANKAR PRASAD, INDIAN LAW AND JUSTICE MINISTER: There was a

commotion in the country and we're disappointed in that, and today we have changed the law by an ordinance. If under 12 years, you'll be given death penalty. If it was a gang rape, you'll be given a death penalty. And if your life imprisonment, shall be for the whole of the life.

What is important is I must be very honest to you. We have to improve our conviction (ph) more. We have to fast track our investigation more. We have to sensitize the entire emisionary (ph) of delivering justice to be more alarmed to this challenge.



In 2012, just under 25,000 women were reported raped in India. That figure, according to government statistics, jumped to about 40,000 in 2016. Revealing, perhaps, the scale of a long-standing problem.


Are you all from this town or nearby?


This group of survivors and their families are from the small town of Bharatpur, four hours from Delhi. In almost every case they allege the rapist were from higher casts and that after reporting the assaults, they have been subjected to brutal intimidation to drop the charges.

You have to be strong to survive an attack, brave to report it and especially if you're untouchable.


A knife was held to her throat by her high cast rapist. He was jailed after she got legal help here. She says that since the conviction, there've been attempts to destroy her house and her crops have been uprooted. Her husband, and his brothers, frequently abducted and beaten. They called me a whore, she says.


Now, of course, there is a long way to go in India to try to address this problem. It's not unique to this country at all. The government insists that it is now reacting to the national and international outcry that ultimately - - I think probably it's going to have to come, Cyril, from within Indian society. A total rethink of how women are seen and treated.

VANIER: Sam Kiley, CNN's Senior International Correspondent. Thank you so much for your deep dive in this issue. Thanks.

The news doesn't get any prettier from here. This next story is, however, important, it's something we will keep following. In Sudan, the death sentence for the teenager who killed her husband is inching closer.


Nora Hussein, is just 18, that's her on the picture. She says that the husband she was forced to marry raped her with the help of his relatives. The case is casting a grim light on forced marriage and marital rape in Sudan.

Isha Sesay has the story.


ISHA SESAY, CNN ANCHOR: The case of Nora Hussein is generating headlines and cries of condemnation around the world and feelings are also running high at home in Sudan.

[01:25] Where, according to one women's rights activist I spoke to, Nora has a tremendous amount of support among men and women there in the country. Many of whom have taken to social media to express their opposition to this death sentence handed down to this 19 year old for killing her husband.


According to one of Nora's lawyers who I spoke to, they have until May 26th to file their appeal. And, even though he says he feels confident about their chances of success on the basis of what he says is the strength of their legal argument, he also wants to see the international attention continue.


Because he believes that focus coming from the outside could be incredibly powerful beneficial for Nora's case. As for the teenager at the center of all of this, Nora, remains in prison.

According to her lawyer she was visited by a team on Sunday, and they found her in good spirits, upbeat even. Feeling confident that justice will be served and that her life will be spared.

Isha Sesay, CNN, London.

VANIER: The unprecedented summit between eh U.S. President and North Korea's leader is less than a month away.


Both leaders are currently on a charm offensive, but what can you really expect? We'll tell you next.



VANIER: Alright. Welcome back everyone. I'm Cyril Vanier. Let's look at your headlines.


U.S. President Donald Trump's daughter, Ivanka, and son-in-law Jared Kushner, are in Israel as the U.S. prepares to open its new embassy in Jerusalem.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu


[01:30:01] VANIER, CNN ANCHOR: All right. Welcome back everyone.

I'm Cyril Vanier. Let's look at your headlines.

U.S. President Donald Trump's daughter Ivanka and son-in-law Jared Kushner are in Israel as the U.S. prepares to open its new embassy in Jerusalem. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says all other countries should move their embassies as well. The Palestinians for their part are planning widespread protests against this move.

And there's breaking news out Indonesia where at least four police officers and six civilians have been wounded by suicide bombers outside a police station in Surabaya. Police say all four attackers are now dead. This the same city where suicide attacks were launched against three Christian churches on Sunday. At least seven people were killed in those attacks.

Insurgents killed at least nine people during Sunday's assault on a government building in Jalalabad, Afghanistan. Dozens of others were wounded. Authorities say it started with a car bomb and then the attackers stormed the building beginning a four-hour gunfight. ISIS is claiming responsibility for this attack.

A nationalist Shiite cleric is leading in Iraq's parliamentary election with over half of the votes counted. This is a surprise comeback for Muqtada al-Sadr who is currently edging out his Iranian- backed rival, Shiite militia leader Hadi al-Amiri and Iraq's current Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi. All results are expected later on Monday.

Top White House officials are predicting a prosperous future for North Korea, that is, if Pyongyang pursues complete denuclearization. The U.S. national security advisor John Bolton says the North could become what he calls a normal nation that could interact with the rest of the world.

President Trump and Kim Jong-un have a meeting planned in Singapore next month -- less than a month away now. Bolton says the President's preparation for this summit is already extensive. In the meantime Pyongyang has scheduled the dismantling of a nuclear test site for later this month.

Here's Ivan Watson following all of this from Seoul, South Korea. How much of a concessions, Ivan, is the dismantling of this nuclear site? IVAN WATSON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, it's a step that North Korea announced last month. And now what they've announced is that there will be a kind of public ceremony -- a public relation show, so to speak, for international journalists from at least five different countries to come and attend and witness the destruction of some of these nuclear testing sites. They've given the date between May 23rd and May 25th.

The nuclear testing site is called Punggye-ri and it's a mountain in the north of the country that has been used, we believe, for all of the nuclear blasts that North Korea has conducted. The most recent one was in September of last year. That was the sixth and most powerful explosion.

And I think it's worth noting that this isn't the first that North Korea will have invited in foreign observers to see part of its nuclear weapons production facilities being destroyed.

There's a famous case in June of 2008, Cyril, where North Korea invited in CNN, for example, along with a U.S. diplomatic envoy to witness the destruction of a water-cooling tower at a different facility that is used to enrich uranium that was seen, the thing was blown-up, and then talks kind of deteriorated and in less than a year after that North Korea conducted another nuclear test.

VANIER: Do we know if this is their only nuclear test site?

WATSON: Well, as I mentioned, this other demolition of the water- cooling tower -- that was in Yongbyon which is at a different location. So there are different facilities that will be used for example for enriching plutonium to make the ammunition for a nuclear weapon and the testing sites themselves. And of course, a lot of this is kept secret and away from prying eyes.

What we are learning a little bit more about now is so the U.S. wants verifiable denuclearization. What is the U.S. offering in return? Well, we learned a little bit more from top U.S. Trump administration officials who were speaking on political talk shows on Sunday in the U.S., notably Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, who has now met twice with Kim Jong-un face to face.

And he is suggesting that the U.S. is willing to offer in exchange some security guarantees to the Kim regime, some kind of sanctions relief and some kind of economic assistance that we insist it is going to be taxpayer funded. Take a listen.


MIKE POMPEO, U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE: This will be Americans coming in, private sector Americans, not the U.S. taxpayer -- private sector Americans coming in to help build up the energy grid. They need enormous amounts of electricity in North Korea.

[01:34:58] To work with them to develop infrastructure -- all the things that the North Korean need; the capacity for American agriculture to support North Korea so they can eat meat and have healthy lives. Those are the kinds of things that if we get what it is, the President has demanded the complete, verifiable, irreversible denuclearization of North Korea that the American people will offer in spades.


WATSON: It raises the question -- could we anticipate a scenario like the 1980s where Pizza Hut and McDonald's started opening up in Moscow, only this might happen in Pyongyang. I don't know -- Cyril.

VANIER: Reporting live from Seoul, South Korea. I'd like to know the answer to that one -- a McDonald's in Pyongyang. I don't see it yet but who knows?

Ivan Watson -- thank you.

Let's take a closer look at all of this with Larry Sabato. He's the director of the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia. He joins us from Charlottesville in Virginia.

Larry -- Trump and Kim Jong-un have both gone on a charm offensive ahead of their meeting. Do you put much stock in that?

LARRY SABATO, DIRECTOR, CENTER FOR POLITICS, UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA: It's what they should do ahead of the meeting, although I do think that particularly on the American side President Trump has been raising expectations too high. I know many of his followers, or at least the ones who attend rallies, think that this is the dawning of the Age of Aquarius -- I'm revealing my age going back to the Fifth Dimension song.

It's not. And the beginning of the process really is this face to face meeting; then comes the hard bargaining. And the North Koreans have been very unwilling in the past to stick to their agreements. They stretched it out over years and they realize that the attention of Americans tend to wander rather quickly.

VANIER: And they have misled the international community starting with the U.S. multiple times -- in the 90s, in the early 2000s. However, I take issue with one thing you said; that Trump's followers think this is going to be the beginning necessarily of a new era because the President has set the bar too high.

He has publicly said multiple times, if the deal -- if there is no deal to be had, if it's not going his way, he will walk away. That's not setting the bar very high.

SABATO: Well, he has said that but he counters it in the middle of language that suggests that this is the beginning of world peace. His tweets talk about the establishment of a new order of world peace.

So no, I think the expectations are too high and it causes his crowd to start chanting Nobel. It's a little premature for that.

VANIER: Yes -- definitely premature. We're still a month away from the meeting. That hasn't even happened. Look, Mr. Trump has been intransigent on his foreign policy moves and you could argue that he's to a fault. But so far, everything he said he'd do in foreign policy, he has done and he hasn't settled whether -- you know, agree or disagree with his foreign policy.

So pulling out of the climate agreement, the Iran nuclear deal, moving the Israel embassy -- all of those things he has done and he hasn't settled. Do you think that that strengthens his hand when he sits down in front of Kim Jong-un?

SABATO: That part of it will. What I think will cause the North Koreans some pause is the fact that he just broke the Iran agreement that was reached by the prior administration. You know, the United States has a long history Cyril, of new administrations recognizing and respecting the agreements reached by prior administrations even if they don't like them.

I think of the Panama Canal treaties for example. Carter made that agreement and Reagan campaigned against them but still recognized and kept to them when he became President. So this ought to give the North Koreans pause. Will a new administration simply abrogate whatever agreement the Americans and President Trump might reach now with North Korea?

VANIER: I wonder how does his domestic policy -- or I should say his domestic situation -- Mr. Trump's domestic situation, how does that affect him going into the meeting?

SABATO: His ratings are relatively low but the economy is very good. His ratings have been on the rise a bit, not tremendously so but he's in the low 40s. He was in the mid 30s. So he goes into the negotiations, I suppose, relatively strong at least compared to his first year, year and a half.

You know, beyond that, I don't think that Trump really focuses on that very much. He's looking for a big boost to come out of the summit. He's also I think hoping that people will not focus day to day on what happens after the summit because the news might not be quite as good.

VANIER: Larry Sabato joining us from the University of Virginia. Always a pleasure to talk you -- thank you.

SABATO: Thank you -- Cyril.

[01:39:54] VANIER: A third person has been held for questioning over Saturday's deadly knife attack in Paris. A source says it is the friend of a man who killed one person and wounded four others. The attacker was shot dead by police and his parents were also detained. On Sunday the mayor of Paris visited the scene of the attack.

CNN's Melissa Bell has more.


MELISA BELL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It was on this street in the very heart of Paris, the street that would have been heaving (ph) with people going in and out of restaurants, in and out of bars that the assailant began his attack just before 9:00 p.m. on Saturday night.

We're learning more about the assailant than we had known before -- that he was born in 1997 in Chechnya and that he was on France's so- called "fiche S" list. Now that does not mean that he was under active surveillance. What it means is that he had come to the attention of authorities for potentially having radicalized views and potentially posing a threat to security.

Many questions remain about precisely what he was hoping to achieve when he set out on this spree with his knife, a spree that ended just here when he was tasered by police before being shot.

Huge shock still in the area what went on, not only the sight of a man wielding a knife and trying to stab people but also that once again France should have been the scene of a terror attack.

Earlier the mayor of Paris visited the area urging anyone who had witnessed the attack to go and seek the counseling that the city of Paris have put on. And we've heard now from a government spokesman reminding the world that what happened here last night to people who were in and out of restaurants and bars was essentially an attack on France's way of life.

Melissa Bell, CNN -- Paris.


VANIER: Coming up after the break, fire and fury on the Big Island of Hawaii. We'll show how the Kilauea Volcano's latest eruption is putting the local community in real danger.

And a closer look also at the royal wedding venue and its special connection to Prince Harry.

Stay with us.


VANIER: All right. Take a look at this. You don't want to be anywhere near this.

[01:44:55] New volcanic fissures have opened up on the Big Island of Hawaii. This one erupted Sunday morning and it was several hundred meters long, spewing lava high into the air. The eruption forced more residents to flee their homes.

Another fissure that just opened up after this one is currently active and producing fumes and lava spatter as well. Hawaii's civil defense agency says continued earthquake activity and additional outbreaks in the area are likely at this stage.

Let's take a closer look.

Pedram Javaheri at the CNN Weather Center is monitoring this for us. Pedram -- how dangerous could this get.


You know, this is something that officials are taking very seriously. You see the images of course. We've seen the explosive eruptions that have already been in place near the main chamber here of Kilauea. But the concern is beneath the surface.

When you take a look at the green triangle here, those are indicative of the recent fissures that have popped up and most recently right here away from Leilani Estates, from the eastern periphery of this along the East Rift Zone. So we know it is continuing to expand farther and farther to the east and that is concerning because, of course, as more lava comes out of these fissures, we see levels continue to drop.

Of course, road closures have been in place and we've seen communities now be evacuated on the order of several thousand people. But really fascinating imagery here via a drone looking directly above this particular volcano and looking down into the chamber.

Notice it's void of any activity, any lava near the surface. In fact you take a look at some of the thermal imagery -- April 23rd we had the lava lake as it's known near the top. You see it drop a little bit on May 4th. A little more on May 6th and by the time we got to May 9th -- 7th, 8th, 9th, of course you see the level entirely exit the picture.

Now we can look at a three-dimensional look at this, Cyril, in fact look at a cross section of this and you know, beneath this the chamber begins to really narrow quite a bit as the lava level dropped out. Right now they're down to about 350 meters beneath the surface.

The water table is sitting at about 500 meters beneath the surface and that's the biggest concern. In fact, you take a look at our graphic, Cyril, it really is a great job bringing this into place. When you look beneath the surface, you bring that lava level down to the water table -- that's the biggest concern because as the lava levels drop we bring more debris, more rock, more boulders and of course, the (INAUDIBLE) very narrow corridor in this chamber.

When pressure builds up essentially like a pressure cooker there, Cyril, you begin to see the gaps in build up as well and an explosive eruption, officials are saying very likely here if this sort of a pattern continues where additional fissures as the one that was just reported a few minutes ago. Number 18 comes into play, the lava levels continue to drop down within the center of this particular volcano. So we're getting closer and closer to the water table there.

VANIER: Yes. Pedram -- your 3-D effect makes it pretty clear what the danger is there. We appreciate it -- thanks for the explanations. Thanks.


VANIER: Well, less than a week to go now before Britain's Prince Harry and Meghan Markle tie the knot.

After the break, we'll take a closer look at the royal wedding venue.


JAVAHERI: Well, after a few days of very quiet weather across the United States, it is an entirely different story -- big time heat into the southern U.S. records already set across the region. Also watching some tremendous rainfall and, of course, severe weather as well back into the plains.

But notice what's happening out there across portions of Florida. There's a disturbance here, it's sitting on the western periphery of the state that is pumping in tremendous amount of moisture.

In fact, the National Hurricane Center watching this there for you -- 30 percent chance this could form over the next couple of days into a tropical system. Of course, hurricane season a couple of weeks away but, you notice regardless of what it does, we do know this will produce tremendous rainfall in an area that frankly needs some of this rainfall. We're going to watch that careful as we could see some localized flooding take place across that region.

To the Midwestern U.S. we go. Kansas City to Chicago -- some bumpy flights certainly in store in the next 24 hours, maybe some delays as well. Chicago at 27; Winnipeg a stunning afternoon, a well-deserved 22 degree-day; in Montreal, it warms up nicely to about 24.

While in the south we talked about the heavy rainfall working its way into the forecast, well notice this. Atlanta's record temps drop off sharply back to seasonal values at the expense of a lot of rainfall over the next couple of days while back towards the western U.S., another heat wave across the northwestern United States there -- Seattle around 30 degrees.

Belize City 32; Mexico City remains dry, highs around 27.

VANIER: Welcome back.

The 1965 Ford Mustang is a pretty cool car, you'll have to admit. And it continues to win fans.

CNN Style got a ride with one of its young admirers -- Model Kendall Jenner.




BLASBERG: Look at this.

JENNER: How are you?

BLASBERG: Nice ride.

JENNER: You want to ride? BLASBERG: What have we got here?

JENNER: The '65 Mustang. Want to go for a ride?

BLASBERG: I want to go for a spin.

Where do you think your love for classic cars came from?

JENNER: I think I kind of like been -- it's like I was raised to be a tomboy. Like my dad raised me to like love stuff like this.

If I love it, I love it. Like if I walk in and it really like just gets to me, I'm like ok, I need that car. This is a very muscular car. Somewhat like a tomboy, like I would love it.

And also every car that I get into, my mood changes; like my corvette is super like, even it technically is a muscle car, it's a 50s car so it doesn't feel like muscular so I feel very girly in it. I feel like I have to dress a certain way like wear very winged sunglasses and like -- you know what I mean. Like there's just -- I don't know.

BLASBERG: Try to describe what you feel.

JENNER: This just makes me so cool, like a cool girl.


VANIER: We're five days away from the royal wedding of Prince Harry and Meghan Markle. Our Nick Glass has more on their wedding venue.


NICK GLASS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The long walk of Windsor, so called because it's two and a half miles long -- at one end the entrance for visiting heads of state. The castle has stood here on a chalky ridge for well over 900 years.

St. George's Chapel is a relatively new addition, just 500 years old crafted from (INAUDIBLE) stone pulled the Thames in great barges in the 15th century. Along its route a parade of heraldic beasts, originally commissioned by Henry VIII.

Meghan Markle has promised a long walk to the altar, 250 feet or so down an aisle of checkered marble. The chapel is simply one of the most beautiful and glorious of English religious spaces. An example of so-called Gothic perpendicular, a spectacular fan-vaulted roof, choir stalls emblazoned with banners of the knights of the Garter a reminder of its origins in the medieval age of chivalry.

A chapel then that is both architecturally thrilling and yet intellectual and has been this way for half a millennium.

Ten kings no less are buried here; on most days tourists mill around the aisle. And perhaps didn't always notice the black marble slab plumb in the center. Henry VIII and Charles I are buried just a few feet below. Meghan Markle will walk over their joint grave although she'll tread softly. On wedding days, the aisle is carpeted.

Elbow your way a little further on, and somewhere in a special royal vault just below the altar, here lies George III. That's the George, in case you had forgotten, who lost the American colonies.

[01:55:00] We are told that the chapel is a special place for Harry and Meghan. He was christened here 33 years ago. And troll through the Windsor archive and there he is, the younger son, the unmistakable royal redhead -- a great blusher in his time, a great (INAUDIBLE) of faces.

Naturally he was there when his father's second marriage was blessed. Harry stealing a glance was then 20.

A few weeks after Harry and Meghan's wedding the chapel will be the setting for the annual Garter Service, the Knights of the Garter process down the hill in Tudor bonnets, ostrich feathers and velvet capes.

Harry is expected to join their ranks in the near future just like his brother, father and grandmother. His banner will probably hang alongside his brother's inside.

On the great day after marriage vows are exchanged Harry and Meghan will walk back down the aisle, back over Henry VIII and Charles I as man and wife, and will emerge out on to the steps below the great west window.

And so will have added their own joyous little bit of wedding history to a sublime medieval English chapel.

Nick Glass, CNN -- in Windsor.


VANIER: That's it for me. You've got George Howell, up next with more news.

Stay tuned.