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JOHN VAUSE, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: This is CNN NEWSROOM live from Los Angeles. Ahead this hour, from full nuclear disarmament to maybe to meet and greet. The shifting landscape of the Trump-Kim summit now just a week away.

Plus, Trump's trade war on U.S. allies could lead to a big net loss of American jobs. Members of the president's own party are working against him for reverse course.

And in almost apocalyptic scene in Guatemala as a huge volcanic eruption spews lava and ash killing dozens.

Hello. Welcome to our viewers all around the world. Great to have you with us. I'm John Vause. NEWSROOM L.A. starts right now.

The White House is very obviously now downplaying expectations for next week's off-again, now on-again summit between North Korean Leader Kim Jong-un and U.S. President Donald Trump. A source tells CNN the June 12th meeting will be apparently more of a meet and greet.

Mr. Trump himself says it's part of a process that could go either fast or slow. Many details apparently still need to be worked out, but we do know that Trump and Kim will begin their sit down at 9:00 in the morning local time in Singapore.

CNN's international diplomatic editor, Nic Robertson joins me now from Seoul in South Korea. Nic, there is reporting that CNN has that the national security advisor, John Bolton, is essentially being sidelined in the process.

Last week in particular when the North Korean spy chief visited Donald Trump apparently was not at the meeting, just the secretary of state, Mike Pompeo. Here's our reporting, the White House insisted the meeting was to remain small, but the tabloid reflected deeper risks among Trump's national security team.

And a new reality as the president prepares for his historic meeting with Kim next week in Singapore. The voices advocating most forcefully to tighten the noose on Pyongyang have been sidelined as Trump seeks a history-making handshake.

So, with that in mind, with Bolton apparently out of the picture, if nothing else that will please the North Koreans.

NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR: It should do. Look, I mean, Bolton is known as a hawk. Particularly hawkish on Iran and he seemed to get the president's ear on that issue. But when it came to North Korea, he was likening what Kim Jong-un could do with his nuclear weapons to what the Libyan leader, Moammar Gadhafi did with his in the early 2000s.

Which was hand them over and it's not getting along great with the international community but that didn't go so well for Moammar Gadhafi. So, when Bolton was suggesting this is what Kim Jong-un should do, he was being effectively insensitive to the North Korean leader's feelings as well as probably completely reading as we now see the intensions of Kim Jong-un as well.

Because it's very clear he has no intention to sort of one and done deal with President Trump. So, it does seem that Bolton was a hindrance on that and has been sidelined. We'll see if he comes back.

But, you know, at the rate President Trump goes through some of his staff, Bolton has been a voice in President Trump's ear that until now has been a helpful and useful one to him.

VAUSE: We also have this reporting that Kim Jong-un, who has spent, you know, the first couple of years isolated there in Pyongyang, now holding a flurry of meetings with world leaders and the next one on the schedule before the summit apparently is Syria's Bashar al-Assad.

The last time the North Koreans and the Syrians got together they built a nuclear reactor, which was bombed by the Israelis. This was actually at least one of the concerns leading into the summit when it comes to proliferation of North Korea's weapons and nuclear material.

ROBERTSON: You have to ask what kind of signaling is it that the North Korean leadership would want to send to the international community and President Trump in particular, that while Assad said he'd like to have the meeting that Pyongyang has come back in these days before this big important summit with President Trump to say, yes, that's something we're going to do.

Kim Jong-un is accused of supplying Bashar al-Assad with chemical weapons. We know President Trump's position on chemical weapon, it seems to be one of his consistencies on Syria, on Assad. So, the signaling here seems to be that Kim's not about to reverse course and become a changed character.

The guy that he's renowned to be is coming to the table and not somebody who' suddenly had huge change of heart about how they come across to the rest of the world, posturing, signaling, I think that's how we can look at it at the moment -- John.

VAUSE: And very quickly, Nic, we've heard the changing of military leadership in North Korea, that's happened in the last 24 hours, some are reading that as a signal that Pyongyang is willing to make changes ahead of these negotiations with the U.S. Obviously, a lot of mixed signals going on here. What's the sort of common viewpoint of what's happening in Pyongyang?

[00:05:07] ROBERTSON: Yes, I think there's two sorts of broad views. Kim got rid some of the old guard, if you will, brought in younger loyalists. One of the key positions, the Army Chief Political Office is the office that handles in part some of the economy, in part some of the business that could start up again particularly between North and South Korea if a deal begins to emerge or if some of the sanctions get lifted on Kim Jong-un.

That's one perspective that he's really trying to sort of remove some corruption from the system if you will. There's that other perspective which probably rings very true for any dictator, let's face it, Kim Jong-un doesn't have to go far from home, Singapore is a long jaunt.

And at the back of his mind will be the concern that somebody, someone back home may try to oust him, perhaps, and this is one analysis as well, perhaps he is trying to make sure that he can limit any kind of possibility like that that there could be a coup while he's gone.

VAUSE: Nic, thank you. Appreciate it. Nic Robertson there for us in Seoul. Let's get to our panel now, CNN political commentators, Democratic strategic, Dave Jacobson and Republican consultant, John Thomas.

Just to follow up on our reporting about the national security advisor, John Bolton, being sidelined from this process. You know, Dave, we talked about this a week ago that Bolton was trying to sabotage it by raising this Libya model thing, which the North Koreans hate him -- you know, ferociously.

This could be seen as a positive move, I guess, towards diplomacy. At the same time, though, it's never a good thing to have this kind of open divisions within an administration, Pompeo and Bolton, you know, yelling at each other. They are not getting along, and this is happening a week before a nuclear summit.

DAVE JACOBSON, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: This is a the new normal in the Donald Trump era. I mean, look, I think this is a positive step in the right direction. I think this is a bipartisan issue Democrats and Republicans should want peace in the Korean Peninsula. The challenge here is Donald Trump has setup an extraordinary expectation game, right.

Like at this point he has to deliver some form of a comprehensive deal that involves denuclearization. The reality is, if he doesn't, if he fails to deliver and meets with the leader of North Korea and raises the bar and brings the North Korea leader to that potential level, and walks away with nothing, that's going to be extraordinarily damaging to the president's perception across the globe.

This is a guy who's supposedly this ultimate deal maker and yet at the end of the day, he was doing the deal, he wasn't doing this deal, and he walks away with nothing, I think that is going to be a massive failure --

JOHN THOMAS, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: I don't think the president has really raised expectations for this. He keeps saying we'll see whether we have a deal today or it happens later.

VAUSE: About a month ago, the president tweeted this, "The highly anticipated meeting between Kim Jong-un and myself will take place in Singapore June 12th. We will both try to make it a very special moment for world peace."

THOMAS: He said multiple times whenever he's talking to press we'll see. If it doesn't happen here, I'm not going to make a deal if it -- I also think it's a healthy thing to just put the people -- look Trump is trying to make a deal on this process.

So, to remove a guy like Bolton that might hinder this kind of deal making process, there is nothing wrong with that. No one said Bolton is not giving the president advice still, but why you would put somebody that the North Koreans either hate or are scared to death of.

Put in a dealmaker like Pompeo who already seemed to have a good relationship. He's taken multiple trips over there. I think it's a smart move if we are trying to make a deal.

JACOBSON: But why hire Bolton in the first place when all of this is going on at the same time you know that John Bolton is a massive hawk?

THOMAS: Because I don't think anyone is saying that the advice that Bolton is giving is bad advice. They are saying, you just don't want this guy in the room.

VAUSE: Apparently, Trump was outraged at Bolton when he raised the Libya model and basically the North Koreans went berserk over it, and issued their statements --

JACOBSON: Threw him under the bus about it.

VAUSE: Speaking of throwing people under the bus, Paul Manafort, the former champion of the Trump campaign, in more hot water it seems. Prosecutors say he was attempting to tamper with potential witnesses while on pre-trial release and accordingly has violated conditions of his release.

They're now asking to end his house arrest, possibly sending him to jail. Before this news broke, the president was putting a lot of distance between himself and his former campaign manager.


DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: Paul Manafort is a nice guy, but he worked for me a very short period of time, literally like what a couple months.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Paul Manafort who played a very limited role.

SARAH HUCKABEE SANDERS, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: The president hired Paul Manafort to handle the delegate process, which he did, and he was dismissed not too long after that.


VAUSE: Hardly knew the guy. Never saw him. Dave, that's totally revisionist history from the president and Spicer and Sanders. Robert Mueller knows it's not true. So why are they saying this?

JACOBSON: They're trying to create distance because clearly there is something there. Why is Paul Manafort tampering with witnesses if he did nothing wrong.

[00:10:09] And by the way, this guy who had the title of chairman of the Trump campaign going into the convention and thereafter. Look, I think this guy at this point should be in jail and I think the judge is going to decide that with Mueller moving forward on filing this case.

VAUSE: John, just a reminder, here's how the president used to talk about Paul Manafort.


PRESIDENT TRUMP: Paul Manafort has done a fantastic -- and all of Paul's people. We really do, we have a great staff of talented people.

(via telephone): I brought in Paul Manafort, who's a total professional. I brought Paul in because a very, very smart friend of mine who knew him very well said he is fantastic. I brought Paul in and Paul has done a really good job.


VAUSE: But that was before he was indicted on 23 counts.

THOMAS: The way that happened was Corey Lewandowski was the campaign manager who had no experience managing any race, never mind a presidential. The race was getting beyond Corey's expertise, especially as they marched toward a convention which at the time a lot of people thought was not a slam dunk.

So, it was Roger Stone who that friend that Trump refers to said I know Paul Manafort, this is all -- he's whipped votes at conventions before. His sole purpose was to deliver convention votes, which he did and that's that.

To say that he had a long history with the campaign is a fabrication, to say that he didn't work at high level, I mean, everybody -- but here's the thing about the witness tampering. Paul Manafort is getting nailed on all of these process crimes.

He's getting nailed on things that don't have to do with Russian collusion in the campaign. He's getting nailed on wire fraud, not registering as a foreign agent or lobbyist. It doesn't look good for Paul, and I understand why they're trying to distance themselves, but where is the proof about Russian collusion? VAUSE: Again, once Manafort, you know --

THOMAS: Time will tell.

VAUSE: -- Mueller comes up with his findings, I guess, we'll know. Another issue when it come to the Russia investigations, remember when the president's lawyer and the White House press secretary, Sarah Sanders, were absolutely 100 percent positive the president did not dictate that statement about the Trump Tower meeting, you know, the one with a false statement that was all about Russian orphans and adoptions. And this is why Don Jr. was meeting with everyone from the kremlin at the Trump Tower, well, this is what they said at the time.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Can you verify the degree to which the president weighed in?

SANDERS: He certainly didn't dictate, but you know, he -- like I said, he weighed in, offered suggestion like any father would do.


VAUSE: Guess what, that's not true. The lawyers for Trump confirmed that he did in fact dictate the statement which led to what was not an awkward moment at all during the briefing on Monday.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How are we supposed to know who to believe? How can we believe what you are saying from the podium if his lawyers are saying it's kind of inaccurate?

SANDERS: Once again I can't comment on a letter from the president's outside counsel. I direct you to them to answer it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You said he did not dictate. The lawyers said he did. What is it?

SANDERS: I can't respond to a letter from the president's outside counsel. I would refer you to them for comment.


VAUSE: Dave, this is part of a pattern that we see especially when it comes to the Russia investigation from the White House. Something which is clearly not true and then it gets warned down and melts away overtime.

JACOBSON: Yes, I need to look up "The Washington Post" story that has the 3,000 lies to figure out was this like 2,076 or what number was it? The challenge here, John, is like what message are we sending to our children when Sarah Sanders sits up at the podium at the White House and lies to the American people every single day.

It's doing enormous damage to our country, our society and frankly, at the end of the day, I think Bob Mueller is going to expose all of these egregious lies that Donald Trump, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, Paul Manafort, and the list goes on, continue to just pursue on a daily basis.

VAUSE: Very quickly how much credibility does Sanders have left?

THOMAS: I mean, she's not wrong that they walled off between the counsel and her, so they don't have the facts. It's not the first time a spokesperson lied or president lied under oath either, so this idea of being offensive about ethics is --

VAUSE: Can you believe it? It has been 500 days of the Trump presidency? Are you tired from all the winning? According to the president, these past 500 days have been the greatest ever of any presidency possibly. And Kellyanne Conway, his loyal aide, was on Fox News talking it up.


KELLYANNE CONWAY, COUNSELOR TO THE U.S. PRESIDENT: So much great has happened and that's 500 days of greatness.


VAUSE: One of the claims, 3 million jobs have been created since Trump took office, that's true, but what is left unsaid is the fact that the first year of job growth during the Trump administration was below President Obama's last six years in office.

Claimed families received 3.2 trillion in tax cuts. It's actually 1.5 trillion in tax cuts and that number includes cuts to corporations. The national debt now stands at 21 trillion up from 19 trillion as it was on Obama's last day in office.

[00:15:10] And then there was the stock market, "Bloomberg" reports the Dow Jones returned for the first 444 days of each presidency going back to 1900, Donald Trump 20.7 percent comes in at number six. Obama number three.

And you know, John, facts are a terrible thing, but why does this president have to say this stuff when the real-world facts and reality are quite different?

THOMAS: Well, he has a good 500 days.

VAUSE: Not all this. Not the greatest.

THOMAS: Let's reflect on the closing ad that Hillary Clinton made of why you shouldn't vote for Donald Trump is because he's going to get us into nuclear war when we're having debate whether President Trump will end a potential nuclear war --

VAUSE: And start another with Iran.

THOMAS: He's delivered in terms of slashing regulations, on judges --

VAUSE: He's not the greatest president of 500 days of presidency.

THOMAS: It sounds in line with the rhetoric Trump would have said before presidents always greatest and best. But I think it is defensible that he's had a good run --

VAUSE: The greatest ever?

THOMAS: If you're concerned with it, you're happy. That's why he has -- it was Gallup or Reuters that ranked him as the highest job approval with his -- among Republicans since Reagan?

VAUSE: We are out of time, but I want to get very quickly to the first lady because after 25 days, the first lady has finally reappeared. That was after she went into Walter Reed for a kidney surgery.

She accompanied the presidential gathering of families who've lost military and also relatives of military combat, the Goldstar families. Apparently, Donald Trump made a light-hearted joke about his wife's disappearance or absence, did she leave him, the president asked at one point before pointing out that Melania Trump was in fact sitting in the front row.

The rift was playful, but a bit awkward considering the event was to honor Goldstar families who have lost loved ones at war. The president also talked about the strong economy during the event. Dave, this is a president who seems like any idea of what is or is not appropriate and cannot read a room.

JACOBSON: The guy is tone deaf. This is yet another example of him embarrassing his wife in the public. I mean, if it's not Stormy Daniels, it's this, right. The fact of the matter is you have families who have lost loved ones and here he is joking about his wife and the media. It's only because the guy only cares about himself.

VAUSE: Last word, John.

THOMAS: I mean, I taught it was pretty good that Melania rallied if she truly was under the weather from this kidney surgery because this is such an important event for her. The fact that she made an appearance --

VAUSE: We're talking about the president's ability to read a room and make his statements that are appropriate.

THOMAS: We don't know because the media wasn't there. The room probably still appreciated him holding this ceremony. The fact that Trump made a joke in the room. I don't think it killed the whole mood in the room.

VAUSE: That's the reporting we have from the inside because it wasn't open to cameras unfortunately, that's what we've got. Come back next hour because we have a lot more to talk about, a bunch of other stuff. Thanks, guys. Thank you.

Voters here in California will be going to the polls in the coming day for primaries ahead of this year's midterm elections, but a rule change approved by voters in 2010 could threaten Democrats' chances in November. Miguel Marquez explains.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you with me?

MIGUEL MARQUEZ, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): California Democrats -- buoyant. Counting on a November blue wave and flipping several congressional seats here from Republicans to Democratic.

(on camera): If a Democrat is on the ballot in November, what happens?

GIL DISNEROS, U.S. HOUSE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE: I think if a Democrat is on the ballot in November, a Democrat wins.

MARQUEZ (voice-over): But California has a jungle primary, meaning only the top two vote getters regardless of party advance to the general election in November.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The vote gets so split that no Democrat beats a Republican.

MARQUEZ: In Orange County, an adjacent and astounding 45 candidates are running for three seats. So many are well funded, well organized Democrats raising the prospect the Democratic vote could be split so much that only Republicans would then advance to the November ballot.

(on camera): You were running?


MARQUEZ: Why did you drop out?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Because we had too many candidates running at that time.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I withdrew from the race and decided to get behind the strongest candidate who I believe can win.

MARQUEZ (voice-over): (Inaudible) are two of nine Democrats withdrawing from the three races hoping to narrow the field and improve the chances of the remaining 15 Democratic candidates.

And national Democrats, the DCCC weighing in, spending millions in advertising in English and Spanish. A rarely used tactic as they try to ensure a Democrat is on the ballots in every race come November.

[00:20:10] So worried national Democrats are running attack ads against some Republican candidates in all three districts, trying to dampen Republican turnout by criticizing GOP candidates for voting like Democrats.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We're going to have a tough primary on June 5th. MARQUEZ: Harley Rooda (ph) in California 48 is in a unique category winning support from both the establishment DCCC and activists groups like Indivisible.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All the different aspects of the party are getting behind this campaign. Hopefully that will propel us to the general.

MARQUEZ: Democrats here will need more than hope. (Inaudible) in the 39th is banking on enormous Democratic turnout to make the difference on primary day.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We can get the Democrats out to vote, and I think it's going to carry over, I think we're going to see good results.

MARQUEZ: Maybe. Absentee ballots in the three orange county districts so far show more Republicans than Democrats voting. Miguel Marquez, CNN, Orange County, California.


VAUSE: Still to come, the White House insists it's all about trying to level the global trade playing field, but the last time the U.S. slapped tariffs on goods there was a good price which was paid, the costs versus benefits just ahead.


VAUSE: U.S. trading partners aren't the only ones who are hostile to President Trump's tariffs on steel and aluminum. The Koch brothers political network is launching an aggressive multimillion dollar campaign against the tariffs and trade restrictions being proposed by the White House.

Republican leaders are considering legislation limiting the president's power to impose the tariffs, but that is considered a long shot with the midterm elections coming up.

And British Prime Minister Theresa May spoke with President Trump on Monday and called the tariffs unjustified and deeply disappointing.

Well, for more, joining us now is global business executive, Ryan Patel. Good to see you. Thanks for coming in. We have seen this movie before, if we go back to 2003, President George W. Bush imposed steel tariffs and (inaudible) to save jobs.

According to a government report, the result of Bush (inaudible) was a $30 million hit to the economy. Other groups found the employment gains in factories that make raw steel were outweighed by job losses in other industries, especially companies that take raw steel and make it into parts of cars and appliances.

[00:25:07] To put it another way, it cost about $400,000 per job saved in the steel industry. OK, and the outcome this time doesn't look much better. According to the Competitive Enterprise Institute, the levies could save as many as 33,000 jobs in the steel and aluminum industries, this comes at a great cost. Downstream industries that use steel and aluminum such as automobiles, construction (inaudible) will face higher costs, passed on to consumers with higher prices, could cost those other industries 179,000 jobs.

In other words, the Trump administration is willing to take five jobs to save one job. So, we've in the past prove that's true. The prediction is it's going to happen again. What does the Trump administration know that these guys don't?

RYAN PATEL, GLOBAL BUSINESS EXECUTIVE: Well, you know, reading what they've been saying I'm assuming this is a negotiation ploy and I say assuming because --

VAUSE: That's what we said before.

PATEL: Yes, but I think what's changed now is you've went ahead and really upset the allies. You had all four of the five country heads come out over the weekend and state what are -- literally, what are you talking about that there's national security issues with Canada and us?

And I think there is no answer, even from France when they called to Trump. There is no answer to them. All it is them kind of buying some time because we know like you said, consumers at the end of the day will be hit hard.

And I think we have known this tactic for a while, but because we've been talking about for months and months, the American people and the consumers know that overall this is not a good thing for their pocket at the end of the day if this goes forward.

VAUSE: It seems like they are not interested, though. There's a total lack of interest now because it has been going on for so long, they've been on and off, and no one is taking it seriously.

PATEL: You know, I think because where it's coming from the source, right? If you look at what happened with China, he said one thing, then came off the hard stance. You kind of almost wish that he would just pick a stance, right?

VAUSE: It's a problem the administration is looking at how this policy affects some people as opposed to everyone and looking at the short term and not the long term?

PATEL: That's my biggest fear right now. This is a long-term implication. Say the administration gets what they want in the short term. What do you think is going to happen four or five years when the leverage is somewhere else?

You don't think that that tactic will come back and hunt the U.S.? Sure, it will because that's how they got the upper hand. I think that's where diplomacy is really important of how you get to the end goal because you want to have everyone to come to the table versus being forced. VAUSE: Right. The National Association for Business Economics has warned the tariffs could actually wipe out the benefits of the $1.5 trillion tax cuts and actually could be one factor these tariffs causing a recession by 2020.

PATEL: Well, I mean, that's the worst-case scenario. When your imports and exports starting to get affected, you have less buying power, and then obviously, you know, the Americans that came out of the Pacific trade -- that can start being ineffective and then if NAFTA goes away. Yes, Europe are to go down the spiral of who's going to trade with you.

VAUSE: What we've heard, as far as the consumers and overpricing, the president saying the tariffs in the scheme of things are small, won't have a huge impact on prices, but assuming that's correct, there's no guarantee there is, the much bigger concern though is the retaliations -- Mexico, E.U. and China, and that's when you get real problems.

PATEL: And I feel like we are in it. OK, the China and U.S. thing has been going back and forth. This language nice and playing -- this language over the weekend --

VAUSE: It went up a notch big time.

PATEL: I mean, this is real. There's not much more real that you can get. This is not a case you're going to send the team over to Canada to kind of smooth things out. You've created some ruffles and feathers unless you have something you're going to bring up to the table. The NAFTA deal is not going to get done any time soon especially with this looming because no one is going to lose space. This is what happens --

VAUSE: No one is going to backdown.

PATEL: Why would they backdown? The top heads won't backdown because they look really as a weak position. So, I think the negotiators underneath the administration they have a hard job right now.

VAUSE: So, what you're saying maybe as a trade or negotiating tactic may have ended up talking ourselves into a global trade war?

PATEL: Quite possibly. If you were the prime minister of Canada would you -- if someone is attacking you, you have nothing but one response at this point.

VAUSE: Hit back.

PATEL: Hit back regardless of you staying on the other side or not, you're going to have to hit back verbally and with strength, in numbers, and that's what all the countries together over the weekend did.

VAUSE: We'll see what happens. Ryan, good to see you. Thank you. Next hour lots to talk about with Apple, a trillion-dollar company.

Take a short break, when we come back, Guatemala's Fuego Volcano caught many families by surprise as it threw out massive clouds of burning rocks, ash and volcanic gas, consuming entire communities.


JOHN VAUSE, CNN ANCHOR: Newsroom live from Los Angeles. I'm John Vause, we'll check the headlines this hour. Our sources told CNN the June 12 (inaudible) between U.S. President Donald Trump and the North Korean leader Kim Jong Un will be or of a meet and greet and that the goal is for all agreement on nuclear disbarment, the details, which could take years to negotiate.

Donald Trump will not be hosting the Super Bowl champion team, Philadelphia Eagles, at the White House as his tradition. He claims it's because of the converse here of players not standing for the National Anthem, but current and former Eagles players say not many wanted to go and the Anthem issue was never even discussed.

Anti-(authority) protests in Jordan have led to the resignation of Prime Minister Hani al-Mulki but demonstrators plan to keep up the pressure until a proposed income tax reform is scrapped. The International Monetary Fund supported that bill and in cutting Jordan's massive public debt, King Abdullah has tapped a former World Bank economist to from a new government.

De Fuego volcano in Guatemala erupted with such speed and ferocity on Sunday that it caught entire communities off guard, burning many families in and around their homes. Sixty-nine people have been confirmed dead, but the death toll is expected to rise potentially into the hundreds.

What you're seeing right now is what made the eruption so terrifying and so deadly. Not only did the volcano shoot rivers of lava, it also sent this huge (inaudible) of burning rocks, volcanic ash and hot gas rapidly pouring down as people tried to outrun it.

Well, their town is covered in a thick layer of ash and burning debris which is making recovery efforts very difficult. The volcano, west of Guatemala's capital, is now quieting down but the danger is far from over. We get details from CNN's Michael Holmes.

MICHAEL HOLMES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Fleeing for their lives, many on foot, residents living near Guatemala's volcano of fire say they were caught off guard.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (Foreign language).

HOLMES: In one village a woman covered in ash tells emergency workers she ran as lava poured into corn fields. In another nearby a distraught mother tells of her escape and her desperate search for her children.

EUGENIA GARCIA USPATAN, VOLCANO SURVIVOR (through translator): I left home and walked along the alley to go to the shops when I suddenly realized the lava was coming down and seeping through the plots of land, the highway and down next to the water tank. It came down into the alley and up. It came right up to us. We managed to escape through the (San Miguel estate). I only managed

to find two children alive last night, but my two female daughters, my grandson and my son are missing together with my entire family.

HOLMES: Amateur video show people racing away from what's called pyroclastic material, a flow of ash and lava particles and vapor. Such clouds are often extremely hot and they move extremely quickly, sometimes as fast as a commercial airliner and they can reach for kilometers away from the volcano.

Emergency workers face a road block of steaming lava and debris.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (Foreign language).

HOLMES: Carefully skirting the flow as they search for survivors and victims. Rescuers work into the night recovering some people with severe injuries and a number of bodies of those who were not able to outrun the deadly eruption.

Sometime using heavy construction equipment to clear the debris, with daylight they carefully sift through steaming debris hoping to recover the bodies of some of those who did not escape. All the while being threatened with more activity from the volcano working under difficult and dangerous conditions.

RAFAEL SALGUERO, FIRST RESPONDER (through translator): The challenged we faced is that the volcano has been active and also working with this kind of material, which is extremely hot, that makes the work of rescuers even more difficult because we are talking about temperatures of about 30 degrees Celsius still felt on the ground while we work.

HOLMES: But more volcanic activity on Monday sends people fleeing again. Residents run down the street shouting, the lava is coming. Emergency workers also forced to evacuate the area.

Thousands have now been displaced from this area. Emergency areas set up where authorities are working to help people find loved ones. Rescuers will have to continue to search for the missing and the dead as experts say the threat from the volcano of fire continues.

Michael Holmes, CNN.

VAUSE: Meteorologist Ivan Cabrera joins us now with more on this. It's almost staggering along with the thousands who have been displaced. They're now talking, what, about 1.7 million people have been affected by this.

IVAN CABRERA, CNN METEOROLOGIST: And it will continue to be affected over the next several days because we have, John, additional threats upcoming there. Obviously the story, and well told there by Michael Holmes and captured on the ground, but we also capture this up above in space with one of our satellites.

Take a look at that, clouds all around but you see a bit of a hue there of pink. That is the volcano erupting on Sunday afternoon. A dramatic even there that, of course, had no warning. We've been talking a lot about the Kilauea volcano in Hawaii. That

had a lot of warning. We had tremors, we had time to get people out of the way and then the fissures, certainly slow moving. This was a dramatic, sudden, violent and obviously deadly event.

Here's what happened, there's that flow that Michael was talking about coming down the mountain side at speeds of upwards of 700 kilometers per hour and also temperatures that could reach as high as 1,000 degrees.

So, all of that went through an entire village, which is why the death toll has been so dramatically high and as we mentioned that may go even higher here. So, we'll continue to see the dangers here, not so much from this flow here, this is the violent one, the one that occurred on Sunday.

I think what will happen now because of all the ash that has been left behind here, the raining pattern is going to really make a difference here across this area. We're going to continue to see downpours over the next several days and what happens is it mixes with the ash that's already on the ground and sometimes what you get are these mud flows.

They're just as deadly, they move much slower, at about 20 to 40 kilometers per hour as opposed to 700, but still nonetheless, they are deadly. We've seen them with these kinds of past events before.

So, there's the rainfall, tropical downpours for Guatemala City and surrounding areas and this is just in the next 48 hours, we could pick up anywhere from 100 to 150 millimeters of rainfall. That's not that unusual, there's nothing organized here, it's just the tropical air mass that has been placed across the region and that it will continue to do so.

We'll have temperatures here in the mid-20s. So, the mud flow threat continues to be an issue and of course you saw the rescue workers. They're still trying to look for people, they are also, I think, going to be hampered by the tropical rains that are quite familiar to the people on the ground there this time of year. John.

VAUSE: Yes, familiar with the rain, not with the volcano, I guess, which is just one of those things which has made this incredible death toll when you look at the amount of lava which came out spreading a six mile area. Ivan, thank you.


VAUSE: Well there's a new question and possibly a new scandal for Facebook. Did it share data with other tech companies without user's knowledge? Also ahead, Apple is nearing a milestone no company has ever reached before. CNN spoke with COO, Tim Cook, in a exclusive interview. That's next.


VAUSE: Facebook is under fire again for how it, allegedly, handles user's personal data. CNNMoney's Samuel Burke has more on this latest controversy.

SAMUEL BURKE, CNNMONEY BUSINESS AND TECHNOLOGY CORRESPONDANT: What Facebook is defending, how it shares personal data about its users with dozens of smartphone and tablet makers. This New York Times investigation revealed, really, the scope of Facebook's data sharing deals over the years with big companies like Apple, Microsoft and Samsung.

The agreement gives some device makers access to Facebook user's education history, relationship status, work, religion, even political leanings as well as upcoming events that Facebook users say they'll attend.

Now, Facebook says it gave device makers access to this information only so they could build versions of Facebook that worked on different phones or operating systems. But what Facebook hasn't addressed is why these phone makers would need all that personal data I just listed to build those tools.

A V.P. for Facebook saying in a blog post quote, "These partners signed agreements that prevented people's Facebook information from being used for any other purpose than to recreate Facebook like experiences."

We're now aware of any abuse by these companies, but that last line there only highlights the fact that Facebook's policy made user data vulnerable to abuse. Apple, Samsung and Microsoft haven't immediately responded to requests for comment, but since the Cambridge Analytica scandal erupted, Facebook has been under increasing scrutiny from law makers and regulators all around the world over its handling of user's data and the steps it takes to protect their privacy.

Now, the scandal pummeled Facebook stock, but after Mark Zuckerberg survived that series of drillings from law makers in the United States and here in Europe, Facebook stock has since recovered to trade close to its all time high.

VAUSE: Thank you, Sam. Apple is close to becoming the first trillion dollar company, its market value hovering around $943 billion dollars with a stock price just under $193 a share. If the stock goes over $202, Apple will hit the trillion dollar mark. But in an exclusive T.V. interview, CEO Tim Cook tells CNN's Laurie Segall he's not focused on that milestone.


TIM COOK, APPLE CEO: I don't think about it.


COOK: To be - I don't think about it at all. I mean, for us, we believe that if we do the right thing for our users, if we put them at the center of our experience, which we always do. And we're focusing on innovating and delivering the right products, that the results which are things like market cap and revenues and profits, that - that will come from doing these things right. (END VIDEO CLIP)

VAUSE: You'll hear more from Tim Cook's interview in our next hour on Newsroom L.A. Thank you for watching CNN Newsroom live from Los Angeles. I'm John Vause, please stay with us. World Sport is up next. You're watching CNN.