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Democrats Mobilize As President Trump Blames Them for Migrant Separation; Trump To Talk Immigration With House Republicans On Tuesday; California Legal Resident Detained For Misdemeanor From 18 Years Ago; Rescue Ships Bring Hundreds Of Migrants To Spain; Trump And Kim Jong-Un Due To Speak Today; President Trump's Trouble With The Truth; Iceland Brings The Thunder In Russia; Messi Misses Penalty; Argentina-Iceland End In 1-1 Draw; Parents Billed $132,000 After Kid Topples Statue. Aired 6-7a
Aired June 17, 2018 - 06:00 ET
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NATALIE GARCIA, FATHER DETAINED BY ICE: And they should not even be separating families. They should not be dragging people from their homes. And kidnapping them.
KELLYANNE CONWAY, COUNSELOR TO THE PRESIDENT: The president as he has wanted to do is trying to bring everybody together.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We are going to let this administration know, Trump administration know, no we are not going anywhere.
ED LAVANDERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: There is a growing chorus of frustration and anger and protest.
REP. WILL HURD (R), TEXAS: Home of the free and land of the brave. We should not be using kids as a deterrent policy.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You rounded people up. People (INAUDIBLE), people with families.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think it's going to be a black stain on the president's first term.
REP. LLOYD DOGGETT (D), TEXAS: We need people of good faith, of different political philosophies to come together and tell the president to stop this, stop it now.
CHRISTI PAUL, CNN ANCHOR: Separation an anxiety. America takes an inward look at its policy and immigration and how it inhumanly treats people seeking asylum.
MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning. I'm Martin Savidge in for Victor Blackwell. PAUL: It's so good to have you again, Martin. And I'm Christi Paul and more on that story in just a moment but we have a lot more to talk about.
SAVIDGE: Possibly holding on line one? Kim Jong-un. President Trump teases a possible call with the North Korean dictator today.
PAUL: Brian Stelter is giving us his take on a dilemma facing reporters right now how to accurately cover the president without giving more oxygen to his false claims.
SAVIDGE: And then later in the hour, a priceless father's day gift. A 132,000 bill for a smash statue. Your NEW DAY starts right now.
First up this morning, Democrats mobilizing, responding forcefully to President Trump blaming them for his own administration's policy change.
PAUL: Yes. The separation of children from parents at the border becomes a bargaining chip it seems. Democrats such as Senator Ron Wyden say, in this case zero tolerance makes zero sense.
In a few hours more than a half dozen Democratic law makers will start touring facilities along the U.S./Mexico border. They're going to stop across the state of Texas as protests continue all over the country.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We are going to let this administration know, Trump administration know, no we are not going anywhere.
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PAUL: Here is CNN correspondent Ed Lavandera with a look of what is ahead.
LAVANDERA: While the Trump administration remains unapologetic in its support in the way it's rolled out the so- called zero tolerance policy for undocumented immigrants crossing into the U.S. southern border, there is a growing chorus of frustration and anger and protest that will start to be visible here on Sunday in South Texas.
There is a congressional delegation that will be touring several immigration facilities throughout the region, throughout the day. Most of the members of that delegation very much opposed to this zero tolerance policy.
There is a vigil protest also scheduled to occur here on Sunday in McAllen. And there's another congressman who is leading a marching protest toward the newly opened temporary facility for undocumented immigrant children. That was just opened up in far West Texas.
So a lot of this really starting to pick up as the stories that have emerged from these -- from the zero tolerance policy and people are watching this play out, really starting to pick up steam.
But as I mentioned off the top, the Trump administration, unapologetic; they continue to say that this policy is designed to deter undocumented immigrants from continuing to pour into the U.S. southern border.
However, when you report here on the ground and you talk to immigrants, who have just crossed the border, news of this policy isn't necessarily making it into every corner of these countries in Central America and Mexico as well, where most of these undocumented immigrants are coming from.
And when you do talk to them and they do know about the policy, they say it is a risk that they are very much willing to take, that anything is better than the homes and the hometowns that they are coming from.
So that's the latest here in South Texas, as the frustration and anger and the focus on this issue really continues to build up -- Ed Lavandera, CNN, McAllen, Texas.
SAVIDGE: Ed, thank you very much for that. Sources telling CNN this morning President Trump will head to Capitol Hill on Tuesday. He will be there talk immigration with House Republicans.
PAUL: Yes. The visit follows several days of confusion over which plan the president is going to support.
CNN White House reporter Sarah Westwood joins us live from Washington with more on that. Any more clarity this morning?
SARAH WESTWOOD, CNN WHITE HOUSE REPORTER: Well, Christi, there is lots of focus on President Trump's push for immigration reform this week, particularly after he stirred up that confusion on Friday by saying he would not sign a compromised bill that his own White House actually helped negotiate.
Now White House officials later tried to clear things up by saying President Trump misunderstood the question he was asked but it underscored the chaos that surrounded Republican talks on immigration for months now. Top Trump aide Kellyanne Conway came out and defended Trump saying the president has sent a clear message on immigration and once again blaming Democrats for holding up progress on a bill.
Take a listen.
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CONWAY: The president, as he is wanting to do is trying to bring everybody together to come up with a commonsense plan, but he could not be more clear about what his vision on immigration is. He wants to -- he wants to have a sovereign nation that has physical borders. These Democrats refuse to provide the funding necessary so that you can you expand the detention centers, that you have more ICE agents, some commonsense measures and they have been -- they have been saying -- and by the way --
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WESTWOOD: All this comes against the backdrop of increased scrutiny of the Trump administration's decision to step up the practice of family separation at the border. Democrats are putting more and more pressure on the administration to end the practice as Trump continues to blame Democrats for the law requiring family separation even though there actually is no such law.
Trump will face House Republicans head-on on Tuesday and he is hoping to smooth over some of the divisions that have prevented legislation from moving forward so far -- Martin and Christi.
SAVIDGE: Sarah Westwood, thank you very much for that bringing us up- to-dates on the events in D.C.
PAUL: Yes. So -- OK. CNN political commentator Errol Louis and commentary writer and editor for the Washington Examiner Siraj Hashmi, both with us now. Thank you both so much for being here. We appreciate it.
Errol, first to you. Let's listen to Senator (ph) Blumenauer here. He was ruminating over what we have seen happen over the last couple of days here with these families.
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REP. EARL BLUMENAUER (D), OREGON: I kept thinking about my grandkids under 6 and what would happen to them if their parent's life were at risk to take a journey of hundreds and in some cases thousands of miles, and to have them subjected to that. It's incomprehensible to me and it ought to be incomprehensible to every one of us.
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PAUL: Representative there. Errol, do you believe that what we have seen over the last 48 hours is going to help Congress in some way formulate something that will stop this?
ERROL LOUIS, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, it all depends, Christi, on whether or not Republican House members are going to take similar passion into their meeting with the president. Now whether they are simply going to applaud and take pictures with them and vow to carry out some kind of defense of these policies.
People are thinking ahead to the mid terms and I'm sure every member of the House who is up for re-election is thinking about that, they are going to see this issue as something that can really come back to haunt them. We haven't seen any public polling number yet from the last few days of how this is going to play with voters in the fall but it's safe to say that politicians are aware that there is a reason the last administrations have considered this kind of activity, this kind of policy and then stepped away from it.
It's going to be politically very, very hard in a lot of these swing states to carry voters forward with the notion that this is going to be in the policy, this is going to be something that Republican members can defend. It's going to be very, very tough season for them if they can't change really quickly and convey that to the president possibly as soon as Tuesday.
PAUL: Yes. When they meet on Tuesday, yes.
Let's listen to your point to Jeh Johnson here -- he talks about in the Obama administration, of course, talks about how they struggled with what to do about immigration especially when it came to this particular issue separating children from their parents.
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JEH JOHNSON, FORMER U.S. SECRETARY OF HOMELAND SECURITY: When I was in office, we removed, repatriated or deported a million people to enforce our immigration laws and to secure our borders. We considered all sorts of things to lower the levels of illegal migration on our southern border.
One thing we would not do is separate children from their parents at the border. Something that I could not bring myself to do.
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PAUL: Siraj, do you suspect that there will be Republicans who will stand up against this?
SIRAJ HASHMI, COMMENTARY WRITER AND EDITOR, WASHINGTON EXAMINER: Well, they already have. I mean, they have the discharge petition within the House over the past week about 30 moderate Republicans who are trying to come -- to get over that 218 vote line with Democrats and that was pretty much the bill that President Trump was railing against on Friday.
But, of course, what we have to look at what they bring about on Tuesday, they are looking at the Goodlatte bill, they are looking at the House speaker bill. These are things that according to Trump's base is probably the closest thing they will get to end this since it will put a pathway to citizenship for 1.8 million undocumented immigrants, especially the children who came in illegally and were now adults.
PAUL: Siraj, can I ask you, do either one of those bills solve this problem, would they stop the separation of children from their families?
HASHMI: I can't say confidently that they will, because, right now, the current policy set by the Trump administration and initially by the Obama administration with respect to these detaining centers, I can't speak to whether the Obama administration was actually separating families. We know that the Trump administration is separating families.
It's bad policy to put children in detention centers then and it's bad policy now. And I don't think any particular House legislation, at the moment, will fully address this unless they really speak to addressing amnesty laws because right now-- I'm sorry not amnesty laws. Asylum claims. Because right now a lot of these detention centers and ICE agents are looking to at least detain these families and separate children from their parents before they get a chance to claim asylum.
PAUL: And, Errol, this is -- if you look at a crystal ball, a problem that is really going to snowball into something huge for the government because if you're looking at -- since April and May, in a six-week period, 2,000 children being separated, these are children that have to be housed and have to be taken care of if something happens to one of these children, if one is lost, if one is hurt, if one is abused. Does the government in their care they are the ones responsible for this so that is not sustainable. How do they move forward with this practice?
LOUIS: Well, you raise a very good point, Christi. The lawsuit you can start drafting them now, the class action lawsuits when -- or I should say when rather than if something goes wrong, just as you are suggesting.
Look, (INAUDIBLE) as seasonal but we're in the season, we're in the high season. And to the extent that we have got something like 46 separations every single day, including today, father's day, and this goes on for weeks and weeks and weeks, you're talking about thousands and thousands of kids. You're talking about an enormous amount of harm that is being done.
The cameras are not going to go away. The Democratic opponents are not going away. And so we are already seeing reports, Christi, of people sitting outside centers.
They are not even being turned away or necessarily taken into custody. They are simply sitting there because the capacity has already been overwhelmed.
It's going to be a gigantic mess. It's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.
PAUL: Siraj, your final thoughts.
HASHMI: Well, right now we also have to work with our partners in Mexico because the Mexican government certainly doesn't want to take any of these immigrants back who come through the southern border. And what I have to say is if we are actually going to look at stopping the immigration problem, President Trump needs to move fast and if he is going to get a border wall built he has to do that -- that has to be his first priority and if he is going to get Mexico to pay for it he needs to actually put some feet under their -- basically put the fire under their feet and get them to pay for it.
PAUL: All right. Errol Louis, Siraj Hashmi, always so grateful to have both of you here with your perspectives.
HASHMI: Thank you.
LOUIS: Thank you.
SAVIDGE: In addition to the growing number of family separations at the border another immigration story is getting national attention. Sixty-two year old Jose Luis Garcia of California moved from Mexico to the U.S. nearly 50 years ago. He was arrested by immigration officials last week outside of his home for a misdemeanor conviction from 18 years ago.
PAUL: He is now being held in a detention center. He is awaiting possible deportation.
CNN spoke with Garcia's daughter about what happened that day.
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GARCIA: It was just a typical Sunday morning and drinking his coffee, watering the lawn, and he started screaming out my name and I ran out, and there was eight officers or agents arresting him. And I asked for a warrant and they didn't show me a warrant. They said that they were going to take him.
And it was due to a domestic dispute that he had in 2001. And he had a misdemeanor and they didn't tell me where he was going to be taken or anything. They just took him.
He's a green card holder. He is a legal resident, permanent resident. He has been here for 50 years.
He's paid his taxes. He's a homeowner. He's been here. He has nine grandchildren, two great grandchildren.
He takes care of my daughter and they should not even be separating families. They should not be dragging people from their homes and kidnapping them in this country.
This is my father's country. He has been here almost his whole life.
We were all born here. We all live here.
He's been a model citizen. He has three jobs. Like he has paid his taxes.
He came here for the American dream and now it's a nightmare.
(END VIDEO CLIP) SAVIDGE: Well, the future is uncertain right now. Natalie Garcia said that she has been able to see her father. She visited him Saturday at the detention facility where he is being held.
Immigration is not just an issue reserved for the United States.
Breaking news. In Spain right now, where hundreds of rescued migrants are arriving at the Port of Valencia, the last of three ships is expected to arrive this hour.
PAUL: Yes. And aboard those ships hundreds of African migrants who were saved from drowning in the Mediterranean just a little more than a week ago. Of those there have been at least a hundred minors and seven pregnant women. All of the migrants have been granted temporary entry to Spain after they were turned away last week by Italy and Malta.
SAVIDGE: Well, less than a week after his historic meeting with Kim Jong-un, President Trump says that he wants to speak with the North Korean dictator again on father's day.
Our Ivan Watson joins us live right here in Atlanta after the break.
PAUL: Also ahead this hour, a kid caught on camera given a statue, a hug, and his parents $132,000 bill as a result of that. Oh, happy father's day.
SAVIDGE: Also a soccer great comes up short in a massive world cup upset. Coy Wire is here.
COY WIRE, CNN SPORTS CORRESPONDENT: Yes. We are talking about Lionel Messi stymied by the little guy, the underdogs. We are going to show you how 30,000 Icelanders made the trip. Ivan Watson and I have (INAUDIBLE) that. We'll get Martin Savidge to do the thunder clap later in the show.
All the highlights coming up.
PAUL: So among the lesser publicized results of last week's summit with Kim Jong-un and exchange of direct phone numbers between the North Korean dictator and President Trump, the president says he is planning to give Kim a call sometime today with a special number that they exchanged.
SAVIDGE: I am looking forward to that.
We are also waiting for official word from the U.S. and South Korea on the fate of joint military exercises. What North Korea and President Trump called the war games.
CNN senior international correspondent Ivan Watson joins us in the studio today. A rare visit. Wonderful to see you, Ivan.
PAUL: It's so nice to have you in person.
SAVIDGE: It was a real shock to a lot of people about how the president said that he was suspending these military training exercises, war games he called them. What was the reaction in South Korea?
IVAN WATSON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Oh, the South Korean defense ministry quickly put a statement out saying basically we have got to figure out what President Trump meant when he said that because --
SAVIDGE: So they had no clue this was coming?
WATSON: It didn't sound like it. And that's strike because this whole North Korea diplomacy, the South Koreans have been working very closely with the U.S. government, with the Japanese, for example. So it did look like it caught them off guard and it highlights how deep the cooperation is between South Korea and the U.S..
I mean, the U.S. has about 30,000 forces on the ground there and they work so closely together and this is cooperation that goes back to the 1950s, the Korean War.
PAUL: In light of what you just said that they didn't seem to know that that was coming and in light of what we know today the president is going to have a conversation --
WATSON: We think.
PAUL: -- on the phone, we think, with Kim Jong-un. How is South Korea feeling about the way this is panning out thus far? Do they trust President Trump?
WATSON: South Korean president wants this. He wanted to bring Kim Jong-un and President Trump together. The question of suspending military exercises that's a little bit of a different thing because you recall the U.S. said going into the summit we are going to make any concessions, we are not going to postpone any drills or anything like that. And now there is this proposal and we are trying to wait and see.
And I think the South Koreans are still trying to figure out are these drills going to be suspended? If it is, it is quite a big deal. I mean, they were postponed for the winter Olympics of this year.
But these drills are so huge. They are such a big deal they go -- they happen every year and there is almost this ritual with North Korea.
The U.S. and South Korea do their big drills hundreds of thousands of South Korean troops, you know, planes, Navy ships and the North Koreans hate it and they say -- they make all kinds of threats and it has been this annual thing, usually around spring and kind of late winter. And they would love nothing more than for them to be scrapped and cancelled.
You know, I've got a military source in the U.S. military who has worked in North Korea who says, you know, actually the South Koreans want these exercises. They like to train with their U.S. allies.
SAVIDGE: Remaining current and communicating and being able to actively -- they were called upon jointly, right?
WATSON: Yes. Well, yes, and to be able to respond -- and that's another thing.
The military say we need to keep practicing. We have got to be sharp, that is the whole point of being in a military for whatever contingency. So lately the South Korean government and the president's office has been saying, well, it would be good to introduction flexibility to this new diplomatic relationship that seems to be growing with North Korea.
SAVIDGE: I just want to -- before we run out of time and getting back to this kind of telephone call and we don't know if it's really going to happen today or not but it does seems extraordinary that these two men would have suddenly a phone relationship.
WATSON: Have each other on speed dial.
PAUL: Which is why (INAUDIBLE).
SAVIDGE: (INAUDIBLE) in South Korea?
PAUL: In South Korea. Do they trust President Trump?
WATSON: Just one warning on that. It was last month that the North Korean government and the South Korean president set up a hotline. That was a big deal. But then remember at the end of last month, the North Koreans stopped talking to the U.S. and stopped talking to the South Koreans.
They were showing their displeasure. So even if they have these channels open, if they get angry about something, they will just go cold and they stood up a U.S. delegation in Singapore that was supposed to be organizing the summit that led to President Trump cancelling it briefly. So it's good to have these channels of dialogue but you're still dealing with North Korea.
SAVIDGE: Right. You're still dealing with the motion.
WATSON: A pretty unpredictable country and government.
SAVIDGE: Ivan, great to see you.
WATSON: Good to see you --
PAUL: It's so good to have you here.
SAVIDGE: Thank you.
PAUL: Thank you.
WATSON: Happy Father's Day.
PAUL: Happy Father's Day. That's right.
Straight ahead, the president lies, reporters call him out. He sticks to his claims. Then what? Brian Stelter joins us next with Trump's ongoing battle with the truth.
PAUL: So Democrats are firing back at President Trump blaming them for his own administration's policy change.
SAVIDGE: The separation of children from their parents at the border is become ago real bargaining chip for an immigration deal. As protests across the country in a few hours, more than half a dozen Democratic lawmakers will also be out there touring facilities along the U.S./Mexico border.
PAUL: Sources tell CNN President Trump is going to head to go Capitol Hill Tuesday to talk immigration with House Republicans.
SAVIDGE: The president claims that every opportunity, Democrats are to blame for a law requiring children to be taken from their parents as families try to enter the United States illegally and that, of course, is not true.
PAUL: It's the Trump's administration own decision to prosecute each and every undocumented migrant that forces family separation. It's far, very far from the only example of the president denying, distorting, or flat out opposing the truth.
So CNN's senior media correspondent and host of "RELIABLE SOURCES" Brian Stelter is with us now. Brian, I think I saw the number at over 3,000 lives have been tabulated at least from "The Washington Post"?
BRIAN STELTER, CNN SENIOR MEDIA CORRESPONDENT: Yes. "The Washington Post" has keeping track of everything Trump says. They accounted 3,000 false or misleading claims, some of them are flat-out lies from the president but a lot of this is in the gray area. You know, we've talked about this before some of what the president says -- or is a fib, is an exaggeration, other things he said are flat-out lies, and journalists have been trying to tell the difference without being able to read his mind. Of course this has been a problem for decades. Politicians mislead the public and it has been a problem with Trump for three years ever since he entered the race.
But I do sense it's coming to a boiling point now as his rhetoric gets more extreme and as he denies reality mere often. I mean, look at what happened on Friday when he was outside the White House talking to a scrum of reporters there were journalists who straight up said, you're lying, Mr. President.
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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I hate the children being taken away. The Democrats have to change their law. That is their law.
TRUMP: Quiet. That is the Democrats' law. We can change it tonight. We can change it right now.
TRUMP: I will leave here -- no. No. You need their votes. You need their vote. The Democrats, all they have to do -- no, the Democrats --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You control both chambers of Congress. The Republicans do.
TRUMP: -- excuse me.
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STELTER: Really interesting to see how vigorously reporters were pushing back on the president's claims. We don't see that very often partly because the president is not that accessible to those groups of journalists. This was a relatively rare occasion where we were seeing this back and forth.
I think it highlights a growing problem that newsrooms are grappling with and I think members of the public are also wondering about it. I think some of our viewers would say, stop quoting the president if he is not telling the truth.
Others would say he is a leader of the free world. Of course, you have to quote him and broadcast him live and show what he says. The answer could be somewhere in between, somewhere around the way we report what any politician says when they are not telling the truth.
I was talking to a linguist named George Lakoff the other day. He said, you start with the truth then you explain the lie, then you go back to the truth. For example on the issue of border separation. It's a Trump policy change that has caused an increase in these detentions. Then you say, the president says the Democrats fault. That's not true.
And then you go back to the truth about the border. Maybe a truth sandwich is the way to think about it.
One of many possible sort of answers for these challenges that the newsrooms are facing. I think the way you had it in the banner a minute ago saying he falsely claims the Democrats are to blame and another way to address this head-on while not just repeating the lie.
PAUL: All right. Brian Stelter, thank you so much. We appreciate it. Brian is not going anywhere.
SAVIDGE: What did he say? A truth sandwich?
PAUL: He did.
SAVIDGE: Very interesting. Very interesting.
Remember, you can catch Brian Stelter on "RELIABLE SOURCES" at 11:00 a.m. eastern today right here on CNN.
PAUL: All right. So CNN political commentators Dave Jacobson and John Thomas is with us here. Let's talk about what he just said here, gentlemen.
Dave, how do you -- how do you deal with a president who does not tell things factually to people who need to know how to vote?
DAVE JACOBSON, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: I think Brian is on to something. I think a truth sandwich, perhaps, could be a good approach. I don't think you can't report on the lies but I think you start with the truth.
The fact of the matter is the president with these lies is essentially trying to brainwash the American people. He is sowing the seeds of discord and spewing out misinformation. That does a real damage to our democracy.
If you think about our children who look to the president of the United States. There is supposed to be a role model. Someone who is supposed to be a truth teller.
And the fact the president does the precise opposite. So if something really damaging happens, perhaps he had a conversation with North Korea, with Kim Jong-un, at the end of the day after you lie, 3,000 times to the American people, how are we supposed to know if he is telling the truth?
PAUL: There are people who support him. There are people who believe him. JACOBSON: And that is the challenge right there. I mean, they think that the president is telling the truth and that's (INAUDIBLE) upon the reporters and the news media like "The Washington Post" to expose the egregious 3,000 plus lies.
SAVIDGE: John, you're sitting there silently. What is your take on all of this?
JOHN THOMAS, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, that is your take on it, Dave. I understand. But the fact is President Trump, I think, his challenges sometimes he is not as articulate on the issues as he should be. For instance in that case.
SAVIDGE: He is president of the United States.
THOMAS: Well, what he should have said in that case is we are putting forth an immigration package to solve all of this. And what he should have said is -- while we are talking about these children being separated and it's tragic, what he should have said is, you know, what's really tragic and why we have to get an immigration deal passed is because people like Kate Steinle who was shot to death by an illegally immigrant, deported five times, who will never see her mother again or Josh Wilson who was burned to dead by an illegal immigrant --
SAVIDGE: You're explaining lie number one and there's 2,999 others. I mean, how do you justify all of those?
THOMAS: OK. Here is the deal. Politicians, this is nothing new.
OK. To say that this is a problem with Donald Trump is nothing new.
PAUL: But this is far bolder than that.
THOMAS: Well, look. Every Democrat -- not every. Almost all Democrats are basically saying that all illegal immigrants are just good people searching for a better life. Many of them are.
JACOBSON: The vast majority --
THOMAS: Many of them are not. Tell that to Kate Steinle. Tell that to Joshua Wilkerson.
Both sides do it and look, it's your responsibility, the media to fact check both sides and the president's job to tell his side of the story.
SAVIDGE: Well, let's switch it to how this is having an impact on the very emotional and true story going on now. Separation of families at the border. And legislation that may or may not come this week.
Is this destroying an opportunity, the president either in his confusion, because it does sound like he was confused, and maybe his misrepresentation, is he losing an opportunity here? Are we losing an opportunity?
JACOBSON: I think the political whiplash is causing confusion, right? Like on Friday, he went on -- President Trump went on "FOX and Friends" and said that he wouldn't support either immigration bill then his staff walked that back clearly they're not on the same page. Or perhaps the left hand is not talking with the right hand which is often the case with the White House.
The challenge is he is digging his heels on the border wall and he's not going to get any Democrats to support such a bill. Republicans only have 51 votes in the Senate and there's a number of moderates who perhaps don't support the president's current legislation.
Republicans can only afford to flip, to lose potentially two seats -- or two votes, right, in the Senate and I don't know that they necessarily consolidated unified support behind his --
THOMAS: I think it's just ingenuous this is an opportunity for the president to finally get some meaningful border security and border immigration progress made here.
SAVIDGE: But is he using children and using the separation as a means of doing it?
THOMAS: It's not just about the children. There are many other components of why we need to fix immigration system and it's disgusting. The Democrats are stonewalling and using the children and saying --
THOMAS: We are not going to be --
THOMAS: No, no, no. Saying we are not going to vote for this immigration package because it has wall funding. Why don't you compromise?
JACOBSON: Twenty-five billion dollars for wall funding at this time --
THOMAS: Yes. Correct. To secure -- to secure the border.
PAUL: OK. But let me -- let me ask you a question about the influence on President Trump. The Stephen Miller.
In "The New York Times" it's quoted -- "It was a simple decision by the administration to have a zero tolerance policy for illegal entry, period. This (ph) message is that no one is exempt from immigration law."
That is coming from Stephen Miller who is said to have so much influence on the president that he is the one that was crafting this. What is it about Stephen Miller that has so much sway for this president? Because if this continues, if this continues that, you know, the children are separated from their families, that is going to come up in the midterm.
PAUL And I don't know that it's going to work for Republicans.
THOMAS: No. Something has to get done. So now we are playing a game of chickens for if the Democrats will come along with us.
PAUL: What is it about him that if he is such a hardliner on this how does he -- how is (INAUDIBLE) the president?
THOMAS: Well, let's not forget how President Trump got here to be President Trump. It was when he came down those escalators.
He talked about immigration. He talked about building that wall. And he largely got through both a primary and the general election because of folks like Stephen Miller being hard-liners on immigration.
This is not something you can easily walk back. He promised to build that wall and secure our borders. That was his fundamental campaign promise and fix the economy.
JACOBSON: Well, also he said Mexico is going to pay for the wall. But I'm not convinced that President Trump actually campaigned on separating immigrants from their children that he would have necessarily won his very narrow president -- Electoral College win.
At the end of the day this goes against one of our core pillars of human rights as a nation of being an inclusive country where we are separating children. I mean, even the president's base, evangelicals are coming out against this.
SAVIDGE: Separating children may not have been an issue, say, in 2016 but it could be this fall.
THOMAS: The other challenge with those 90 percent of the kids who come across are unaccompanied by anybody, they get detained, 10 percent that do get separated we are not even sure if these adults that are with them are their parents, right? So this is a complicated issue.
SAVIDGE: That's sowing a seed there of question that really is unfair at this point.
THOMAS: We are not 100 percent sure. So I really --
JACOBSON: Even if there are some children who get separated, even if there's one or two it's not fair.
JACOBSON: And it goes against --
THOMAS: And you're right. Needs to be solved and the Republicans are putting forth a solution. We welcome your vote.
PAUL: And we will see on -- we will see on Tuesday what happens when the president meets with these Republicans to see if any Republican stands up about this. Thank you so much.
SAVIDGE: Dave Jacobson --
JACOBSON: Thank you. Thanks for having me.
SAVIDGE: -- thank you very much --
PAUL: So good to have you here.
THOMAS: Thanks for having us.
PAUL: Thank you.
Listen. Do not miss the president's attorney Rudy Giuliani today on "STATE OF THE UNION" with Jake Tapper. That's happening here at CNN at 9:00 a.m. eastern. You're also going to hear from Democratic Congressman Gregory Meeks and Beto O'Rourke.
SAVIDGE: Plus, there's this. A little boy's curiosity inside a community center may have cost his family $132,000.
PAUL: And it is a moment straight out of a movie. A world cup match very few saw coming. Coy Wire, did you?
WIRE: Huge upset. No, I was hoping for it, though. Iceland stunning Argentina.
We're going to show you how a former filmmaker rose to the occasion to become the nation's hero. That is coming up on NEW DAY.
SAVIDGE: It was a rumbling, roaring upset in the soccer world fitting for the nation of Iceland.
PAUL: Yes. That little country that could. Stifling one of sports best, Lionel Messi. Coy wire, you didn't see it coming?
PAUL: Nobody saw it coming? (INAUDIBLE)?
WIRE: No. But it is dreamy, right?
WIRE: Especially for Iceland. Argentina and Messi they dwarf Iceland in population and in soccer pedigree, right?
They're Buenos Aires Province. They're the capital in Argentina, is 45 times larger than the population of Iceland. So think about that.
Thirty thousand Icelanders made the trip to Russia. That is 10 percent of the population and they brought it.
WIRE: With their famous thunder clap echoing across Moscow, little did the Vikings of Iceland know that their hero would be this is guy, Hannes Halldorsson. He is their goal keeper on the left there who used to direct films before making it as a pro.
Nobody could have written a script any better. Facing legend Messi one-on-one on a penalty kick, an incredible commanding, demanding outstretching save. Iceland's first ever World Cup and Halldorsson rises to the occasion preserving a (INAUDIBLE), stunning Argentinean fans. Halldorsson said that he dreamed of denying Messi. He studied this and it paid off.
(INAUDIBLE) Icelanders back in cold raining (INAUDIBLE) into a frenzy. Look at this.
WIRE: They have their umbrellas. They are loving life. Some right out of a movie. Just ask the goalkeeper and former filmmaker himself.
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HANNES HALLDORSSON, ICELAND GOALKEEPER: To play for Iceland at the first game of the World Cup, to face the best player in the world at a penalty, it's a big moment and it's a dream come true to save it, especially because it helped us get a big point that I hope is going to prove important for us.
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WIRE: One of the greatest of all time Lionel Messi took 11 shots, missed all of them. Iceland shocking the world and game end in a tie 1-1. We will have fun watching them throughout the World Cup. Iceland, keep bringing it.
SAVIDGE: Yes. That is fun to watch. Who do they play next?
WIRE: They have Nigeria. The youngest team in the tournament so should be a fun one.
SAVIDGE: Yes, indeed. Coy, thanks very much.
PAUL: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Happy first Father's Day.
WIRE: Yes, thank you so much.
PAUL: We have to show, speaking of the little one. Here we go.
WIRE: That is my girl. That's little baby Wrenn. I wore pink for her today.
It is my first Father's Day as Christi mentioned and I'm just -- you're going to give me (INAUDIBLE). I'm glad I brought this little handkerchief here. I can't wait to get home.
PAUL: It's a life changer.
WIRE: Yes. I'm going to church and enjoy the day with her.
PAUL: Good for you.
SAVIDGE: It's the production -- it's the best production you'll ever be a part of.
WIRE: Thank you so much.
PAUL: And you will have a lot to tell them -- you're going to learn a lot from this guy.
WIRE: Learn from the pro.
PAUL: He has got some very successful awesome kids.
WIRE: You guys are the best. Thank you. Thank you.
PAUL: You're welcome. Thank you.
And Happy Father's Day to you too.
SAVIDGE: Thank you.
PAUL: I wouldn't forget you.
SAVIDGE: I know.
PAUL: All right. Next, a kid in Kansas is going to need a big father's day present himself to make up for a mistake that could cost his dad a lot of money.
PAUL: OK. So Happy Father's Day first of all. Let's get in the right mind set for this one a hundred and thirty-two thousand dollar bill. It might put a difference (ph) somebody's father's day. But that's what one Kansas couple got recently after their son knocked over a very expensive sculpture last month.
SAVIDGE: And the entire incident was caught on surveillance video and now his parents, they may have to pay for those damages. Here is KSHB's Tom Dempsey with the details.
TOM DEMPSEY, KSHB REPORTER: Sarah Goodman remembers the wedding reception at tomahawk ridge community center starting off with plenty of celebration.
SARAH GOODMAN, MOTHER: I think there was a few different parties going on, bridal showers, birthday parties.
DEMPSEY: A joyous occasion that in a moment turned into something much different.
GOODMAN: I hear yelling. Where is your mother?
DEMPSEY: Surveillance video capturing Sarah's 5-year-old son hugging a sculpture on display before it topples over on top of him. He struggles for a bit when suddenly, it falls to the ground.
After rushing to help, Sarah soon learned the sculpture's price tag.
GOODMAN: Maybe this is like $800 or something. No, it's $132,000. I'm sorry. We are finished here.
DEMPSEY: Damage that an insurance company said the family would be on the hook to pay for.
GOODMAN: My children are all well supervised but all people get distracted.
DEMPSEY: The two parents now questioning the safety of the display.
GOODMAN: It's in the main walkway -- not a separate room, not Plexiglas, not protected, not held down.
DEMPSEY: The city calling the incident an unfortunate situation but saying the artwork should not have been touched.
SEAN REILLY, OVERLAND PARK CITY SPOKESMAN: There is a societal responsibility that you may not interact with it, you know, if it's not designed for interaction.
DEMPSEY: An expensive price tag leaving the family wondering what could lie ahead.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE, SARAH GOODMAN'S HUSBAND: See what the insurance company says and they're going to take it to lawyers. We don't know.
PAUL: Thank you to Tom Dempsey there for reporting. CNN has reached out by the way to the city of Overland Park, Kansas, for a statement, have not received a response just yet.
So again, happy Valentine's day! Happy Valentine's Day. Look at me. Happy Father's Day to you.
SAVIDGE: Thank you.
PAUL: Martin is one of the best fathers. Kids, daughter, his son is such a great guy. His daughter has won just Emmys.
SAVIDGE: She followed me into this business which I've always been surprised but, of course, very proud of her.
PAUL: And you taught her well. Because she -- her first job and she has won all of these Emmys.
And then I have to say happy Father's Day, of course, to my dad. Because -- those are my two kids on knee, the third one was not born yet at the time of that picture. That is me on his knee.
So, dad, thank you so much for always being our support. We love you so, so much. Happy Father's Day.
SAVIDGE: Happy Father's Day to all.
PAUL: Yes, to everybody. You are important as a father. You have no idea.