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Questions Persist After Trump Ends Family Separation; Policy Reversal Doesn't Address Fate Of 2,300 Children; Political Fallout From Trump's Zero Tolerance Policy; Hungary Makes It A Crime To Aid Immigrants; Sources: Trump And Putin To Meet Next Month; Can Messi Make An Impression?; World Headlines; Child Marriage Still Rampant in Sudan; Censorship Concerns; It's A Girl. Aired 8-9a ET
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[08:00:00] KRISTIE LU STOUT, CNN ANCHOR: A rare u-turn, Donald Trump backtracks on his policy of separating immigrant families. But a critical
issue still remains. Criminalizing human rights activities, Hungary's parliament passes a law that makes it illegal to help migrants. And
attempting redemption, Argentina's Lionel Messi prepares to return to the World Cup pitch after last week's rough outing.
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LU STOUT: The U.S. President has done something he rarely does -- retreating on a policy that he was strongly defending. Donald Trump signed
an executive order ending his administration's policy of separating immigrant families at the U.S.-Mexico border. The U.S. President did so
under relentless pressure from lawmakers, the public, even his own family.
Now the White House is struggling to answer questions about how the order will be carried out, and what's going to happen to 2,300 children who have
already been taken from their parents. Our White House Correspondent Abby Phillip is tracking all the developments from Washington. She joins us
now. And, Abby, what in the end ultimately moved Donald Trump to reverse course on immigration?
ABBY PHILLIP, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Well, Kristie, those images of children sleeping on mats, and caged rooms, and the sounds of children
wailing as they were taken away from their parents, all of that seemed to move President Trump to finally rescind his administration's policy of
separating those families at the border.
But now the issue turns to what happens to the children who have already been separated? And the administration is struggling to provide those
DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We're going to keep families together, but the border is going to be just as tough as it's been.
PHILLIP: President Trump defending his decision to reverse his policy separating families at the border, insisting that his executive order
solved the issue created by his own administration.
TRUMP: We don't like to see families separated. At the same time, we don't want people coming into our country illegally. This takes care of
PHILLIP: But many crucial questions remain, including what will happen to the 2,300 children who have already been separated from their parents? A
Health and Human Services spokesman initially telling CNN that the executive order changed nothing for the children already in its care.
But the agency later walking that statement back, saying the spokesman misspoke, noting, it is still very early, and we are awaiting further
guidance on the matter.
The statement leaving open the possibility that the children could be connected with a relative or appropriate sponsor, but the existing
sponsorship program does not include any requirements for officials to proactively reunite children with their parents. Although the head of HHS
says they try to keep track of them.
ALEX AZAR, SECRETARY, HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES: They're working always to be always in touch with the parents to ensure placement with relatives or,
if the parents are released, to ensure that they can go to the parents, if the parents are appropriate sponsors.
PHILLIP: Government flyers show that the onus is on the parents to track down their children. And an HHS form obtained by CNN cautions parents, if
you do not provide all the information, it's possible that we will not be able to designate the sponsor of your choice for the care of your child.
This process further complicated by the fact that the children have been sent to facilities across the United States, like this agency in New York
BILL DE BLASIO (D), MAYOR OF NEW YORK CITY: This policy is so fundamentally broken to begin with, that kids are being sent thousands of
miles away from their parents.
PHILLIP: President Trump's about-face coming after his administration spent days insisting that they could do nothing to stop the family
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What about an executive action?
TRUMP: Now, wait, wait. You can't do it through an executive order.
SARAH SANDERS, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: It's Congress' job to change the law.
KIRSTJEN NIELSEN, UNITED STATES SECRETARY OF HOMELAND SECURITY: Congress and the courts created this problem, and Congress alone can fix it.
PHILLIP: Sources tell CNN that the President was frustrated that even his political allies were questioning his heart, and that his abrupt about-face
caught even some of his closest aides off-guard.
Under the executive order, immigrants who are suspected of crossing the border illegally will continue to be prosecuted, but families will be
housed together where appropriate, and consistent with the law, and available resources.
The order also signals the administration's wish to detain children who come with family indefinitely, rather than being released within three
weeks, a change that would require approval from an appellate court. Approval that experts say will be an uphill battle.
PHILLIP: One of the factors perhaps pushing President Trump to make this decision, is that two immigration bills that he had hoped Congress would
pass this week, looked poised to be on the verge of failure. It looks like both of those bills are going to be voted on this afternoon, and neither of
them are going to make their way through. Kristie.
LU STOUT: That's a rare reversal for Donald Trump. And yet it's happened. Abby Phillip reporting live from the White House. Thank you.
[08:05:00] President Trump's executive order is doing little to ease the anxiety of parents already separated from their children. Some of whom are
so young that they're being held in these so-called tender age detention centers.
They are scattered across the U.S.-Texas border. One is planned further north in Houston. Joining me now is CNN's Nick Valencia, and he joins me
live from Brownsville, Texas. And, Nick, what is going to happen to these toddlers, these babies being held at these tender age detention centers
after this Trump policy reversal?
NICK VALENCIA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Kristie, we have some breaking news here I want to get to, a statement from the federal government before we go into
talking about these specifics of this tender age facilities, one of them behind me here. This statement coming out just minutes ago, from the
Customs and Border Protection, I want to read it here. I'm getting it on my phone.
U.S. Customs and Border Protection has taken immediate steps to implement the President's executive order, giving Congress the opportunity to address
families separation. It goes on to say family unit -- family unity will be maintained for families apprehended crossing the border illegally, and they
will be transferred together to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
Additionally it says that Border Patrol will continue to refer prosecution adults -- prosecution for adults who cross the border illegally. For those
children still in border patrol custody, we are reuniting them with parents or legal guardians, returned to border control custody following
As specified in the order, families will not be detained together when doing so would pose a risk to the child's welfare, additionally it says as
was the case prior to implementation of the zero tolerance policy on May 5th, family units mat be separated due to humanitarian health and safety,
or criminal history in addition to illegally crossing the border.
This is a little confusing to get our mind around, Kristie, because this is the third statement from the federal government in the last 24 hours, and
each statement said something a little different. It also doesn't go into the specifics of the immediate steps that U.S. Customs and Border
Protection says that they're taking -- as we understand it, there's a lot of confusion right now, especially among the officials, at facilities like
the one I'm standing in front of.
These are tender age facilities, and Southwest Key is a nonprofit that works hand in hand with the federal government. They define tender age as
any child under the age of 10. Behind me here you have about 40 kids who have been recently been separated because of the zero tolerance policy.
Among them, infants, children as young as eight months old, we don't know exactly what this means. It seems to go back to the status quo before this
zero tolerance policy was put into effect on May 5th. But just a short time ago getting this new statement from customs and border protection.
LU STOUT: And as we continue to get these new statements, trying to parse what they mean, you know, they are trying to.
LU STOUT: And may eventually address the issue of reuniting these families. But what is the reality on the ground, when you go inside these
detention centers for children. I mean, you have the reality of bureaucratic chaos, trying to bring these families together, especially if
the families are deported. And those are the reality of preverbal infants who were taken away from their parents, how can these families be brought
back together in.
VALENCIA: I think the most polite way to say this is that there's a lot of bureaucracy, and a lot of red tape. We've tried to gain access into this
facility several times, we have been denied. I have several calls in to the office of refugee resettlement. Initially we were told to call
somebody from the nonprofit.
The nonprofit then kicked the can to the office of refugee resettlement, and we still have not gotten a call back, despite our repeated inquiries of
via email, and via calls, the large question is if the conditions are so good inside, and that they are doing what is in the best interests of these
children migrants, some of them as you mentioned aren't even old enough to talk yet.
If conditions are so good, why not allow journalists inside to show the world what's going on? It's a big question that we have, and so far it's
been very curated by the border patrol. The images that we've seen so far have given to us, and we have to rely on the government to give us these
images because they won't allow us inside with our cameras.
Some journalists have been allowed in for tours, very limited access, but we have a lot of questions about this process of reunification. It was
earlier that I spoke to a Honduran migrant who was in custody. Southern Poverty Law Center connected me by phone.
His child, three years old was ripped away from him, even though he crossed through a legal point of entry, even though he had no criminal history.
The Department of Homeland Security said that's not happening.
That is clearly not the case, this individual telling you it happened to him. What his outstanding question is, are -- is the government keeping
track of the children and their parents? Do they know where the child is, do they know where the parent is? And was there ever a plan to reunite
them in the first place? Kristie.
LU STOUT: There seems to be no plan, and really disturbing to hear as you said, these agencies kicking the can when it comes to the fate of these
most vulnerable people, children, and toddlers. Nick Valencia, we thank you for your reporting all along. We'll check in with you later.
LU STOUT: Although neither the President's executive order seems to be able to articulate any kind of plan for reunification for these families,
this is what the order says about future cases.
Even though the Justice Department will continue to prosecute adults across illegally, they will not be separated from their families. And adults,
they will be housed together with their kids while the proceedings are ongoing.
[08:10:04] The order also tries to speed up hearings of asylum seeker cases for those with families, expediting the process from months or years. It
also instructs agencies to prepare facilities to house potentially thousands of families detained under the new order.
Although it's unclear what will happen to families while appropriate housing is prepared, and how long this is going to take. This was such an
abrupt reversal for Donald Trump, it is likely to affect him politically one way or another. Let's bring in Caitlin Huey-Burns, she is a National
Political Reporter at RealClearPolitics, and she joins me now live. Thank you so much for joining us here on CNN. How do you explain Trump's u-turn
CAITLIN HUEY-BURNS, NATIONAL POLITICAL REPORTER, REALCLEARPOLITICS: Well it was becoming very clear that this was becoming a political liability for
him. You had not only Democrats urging the President to make this reversal, you also heard from various members of the President's own party
within the Republican Party, and from members within the President's political base.
You heard a lot from religious leaders. You heard a lot from evangelical leaders, especially -- and as we know in the 2016 election, that is a group
that helped carry Trump over the fish line.
The President himself acknowledged that those images coming from the border, some of those that you just showed really struck a chord, and he
also mentioned that his wife and that his daughter had been pushing him to make a change.
It is worth noting, however, of course that the President could have done this several weeks ago when the administration rolled out this order. And
this comes after days and days of the administration saying they couldn't do anything about its own policy.
LU STOUT: That's the thing. Because you know, yes, he reversed course, but he said he couldn't do anything about it. He also blamed the Democrats
for the policy, you know. What are your thoughts about the lies here? You know, just the fact that he reversed course, is Donald Trump effectively
admitting he was completely dishonest.
HUEY-BURNS: Well, there are a lot of questions even on Capitol Hill about whether the White House just completely miscalculated this whole entire
effort. They were trying to make good on a campaign promise the administration argued, to be tough on immigration, and to prosecute anyone
coming over the border illegally.
But they didn't really factor in at least publicly, the idea that these families would be separated. And they insisted over and over again, that
they couldn't do anything about keeping families together because of current law they said. You did, however, hear from some members of the
Republican Party, even saying that the President does have the power to just make this fix.
LU STOUT: And if this was a miscalculation as it looks like by the Trump White House, is it going to cost the Republicans the mid terms?
HUEY-BURNS: Well, Republicans that I've been talking to on Capitol Hill seemed very concerned about what this would mean for their re-election
chances. Because when we're talking about the House of Representatives for example, you have a lot of moderate Republicans running in swing districts
or even districts that Hillary Clinton won.
Districts with high Latino populations, who are very concerned about what this -- what this would mean in terms of the party, I heard from one
republican strategist calling this potentially the Republicans' Katrina, and so referring to the hurricane, and the aftermath, and the handling of
And so it was becoming certainly a problem. There are additional problems, however. Because as Abby laid out, the executive order leaves open lots of
additional questions and lawmakers are trying to figure out where the best legislative fix could be.
And there's really no consensus about the path forward, and having covered immigration debates in the past, there is not really high hopes for getting
anything done specifically in the mid-term election year where politics kind of overshadow all of this.
LU STOUT: Yes. A lot of uncertainty about what happens next, but it's left a clear mark, some would say a stain on the President and his party.
We'll leave it at that. We thank you so much for joining us here on the program. We'll talk again soon.
Now while all eyes are on the U.S. border crisis, it is now illegal to help undocumented immigrants in Hungary. Now the parliament there passed
legislation on Wednesday that criminalizes those who do so. And several basic human rights activities will soon be considered a crime, and could
result in jail time.
The law, which was passed on World Refugee Day, plunges a number of NGOs, and the people who work for them into uncertainty. Now the new law is
expected to take effect in the next few weeks. Atika Shubert has more from Berlin. And, Atika, you know, again, Hungary has criminalized the act of
helping migrants, why did this pass? Why is there even support for this in Hungary?
ATIKA SHUBERT, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, that really goes back to 2015 when Europe was engulfed in this refugee crisis, hundreds of thousands of people
crossed into Europe.
[08:15:06] And many of them literally walked through Hungary to get to Austria and Germany. And at that point, quite a bit of the public in
Hungary felt that they had lost -- that the country had lost control of its borders. And the government really capitalized on that.
You have to understand that Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban really led this anti-immigration platform to become re-elected in April of this
year. I mean, he's called refugees invaders, Muslim invaders. And he's painted this picture that asylum seekers are coming in to threaten Hungary.
And he built a huge wall around -- on the Serbian border. It's this barbed wire fence that keeps refugees out. So this is the kind of rhetoric that
the Hungarian public has been listening to for the last few years. And it's been ramped up even more, prior to the election in April.
So now, Prime Minister Orban is following through on his promise. His party has put through this legislation. That basically says if you help
migrants, if you help asylum seekers, you could face up to a year in prison. Now this could mean anything, it's very generally worded law.
So it could mean anything from providing shelter, food, but also legal aid if you for example try and help an asylum seeker to appeal their decision,
or help them to apply, or even maybe translate their application, this could mean that you face prosecution. And this is very worrying for aid
Already a number of aid groups have already under great pressure stopped providing those kinds of services. And I talked to the Hungarian Helsinki
Committee, which is the only organization in Hungary, which provides free legal help. They are vowing to continue to provide that service, even in
the next one or two weeks when the law comes into effect. Kristie.
LU STOUT: Very alarming for NGOs, for migrant organizations, and also for an entire nation, and the way it views, and regards migrants. Atika
Shubert reporting live from Berlin for us. Thank you.
You are watching News Stream, and still ahead right here on the program, the U.S. President plans to meet with Vladimir Putin next month. We are
learning this just as the South Korean President is in Russia to have his own meeting with the Russian President.
And can Messi make it happen? Argentina plays with Croatia later. And Ronaldo's form at the World Cup has piled more pressure on the team's
biggest star. Keep it here.
LU STOUT: Welcome back. Coming to you live from Hong Kong. This is News Stream. Sources tell CNN that U.S. President Donald Trump and Russian
President Vladimir Putin are planning to meet next month. But as of yet, no official announcement has been made.
[08:20:04] Now, meanwhile, right now, the South Korean President Moon Jae- in is in Moscow for talks with Mr. Putin this day and on Friday. Now, Matthew Chance is in Moscow, and he joins us now live.
And, Matthew, First, Putin and Trump set to meet on the back of that Trump- Kim summit, which I can't believe was only a week ago. The Trump-Kim summit, was that considered a win for both the U.S. and Russia? How
friendly is this meeting going to be?
MATTHEW CHANCE, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, think the hope is that in Russia, and the hope is in the United States, the meeting
is going to be extremely friendly indeed. Because Putin -- Trump all along since his campaign has been promising to build a better relationship with
Russia, I expect that he sees this potential summit, and the date, and time of it, and the location of it has not been set yet.
But diplomatic sources are telling CNN that it's -- that Trump -- what President Trump wanted to take place this summer, possibly around the
meetings he's going to be having in the United Kingdom where he's heading for a state visit, and the NATO Summit, which is going to take place on the
11th and 12th of July, and so it's pretty soon.
But in terms of the meetings in on -- you know, within Singapore that took place recently between President Trump and Kim Jong-un, I think there was,
you know, some degree of concern here in Russia, when the United States began this initiative to meet with the North Korean leader. Because Russia
wants to make sure that it is negotiating table, too.
Or at least its interests are taken into account if there is any settlement to the conflict, to denuclearization issue on the Korean Peninsula. Russia
of course has a border with North Korea, it's got diplomatic ties more importantly with Pyongyang.
It's also got growing commercial links with South Korea. And those are the issues that the President Moon of South Korea is going to be discussing
today, when he meets with the Russian President Vladimir Putin, and later with Dmitry Medvedev, who is the Russian Prime Minister.
It's all part of this World Cup diplomacy that we're witnessing in Russia, as the football championship takes place. Various world leaders are using
the championship as an opportunity to come to Russia, and to meet with top- level figures here, and discuss politics.
LU STOUT: Putin wants to keep tabs on North Korea, and he's doing so by this getting briefing from Moon Jae-in who is town there in Moscow, this
coming up meeting do not officially confirmed yet with Donald Trump. Now to focus on this relationship, because it's an interesting one between
South Korea and Russia, if there is a lasting peace on the Korean Peninsula, what does it mean for Moscow? And what kind of opportunities
will come their way?
CHANCE: Well, I think there's a lot of commercial opportunities, and indeed, that's some of the things that are going to be discussed during
these meetings today. And Russia and South Korea have talked about building a railway link that would, of course, run across North Korean
territory, and would require permission of Pyongyang for it to happen.
That rail link would be essential in ferrying passengers. But also, of course, products more easily from South Korea to Russia, and the other way
round. There's also talk of an energy pipeline, whether it's gas or oil from Russia to energy-hungry South Korea.
And so there are a lot of commercial issues that are at stake. And Russia is in this remarkably unique position, in the sense that it's got, you
know, good relations with both Pyongyang with, whom it has diplomatic ties, and with South Korea as well, where it's got this burgeoning trade
LU STOUT: Wow, railways, gas, electricity, a lot of business on the table. Matthew Chance reporting live from Moscow. Thank you. Meanwhile, Trump,
he is still touting the success of his summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong-un in Singapore earlier this month. In fact, at a rally overnight in
Minnesota, the U.S. President congratulated his followers for their part in what he describes as a happy time for the region.
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TRUMP: All over Asia they're celebrating the great achievement that we made because you were the ones that put me here.
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LU STOUT: So far, our reporters have not seen the celebrations all over Asia that the U.S. President mentioned just then. OK, we've got more World
Cup action today with Lionel Messi on the pitch for Argentina later. And after Ronaldo scored again with Portugal on Wednesday, can Messi prove as
valuable to his national side?
In early game, Denmark had taken an early lead against Australia before France face Peru. Alex Thomas is, of course, following all the games from
Moscow, he and joins us now. And, Alex, Messi, he is back in action later today leading Argentina against Croatia. Is he going to shine tonight?
ALEX THOMAS, CNN SPORTS CORRESPONDENT: Pressure on Messi, and pressure on Argentina, too, there always is when this Barcelona star is often
criticized for maybe not translating the amazing form he shows week in, week out for his club, as he does for his country.
[08:25:04] His supporters would say that's slightly harsh. But certainly, we have the case last week as the World Cup got under way where his great
club rival, Cristiano Ronaldo who plays for Real Madrid and for Portugal, scored a hat trick of goals, three for his country, and three or draw with
Spain on Friday night.
Messi on action on Saturday couldn't replicate that. Failing to score and missing a penalty against Iceland, as Argentina were held to a draw, that
puts him in a bit of a precarious situation, Kristie, ahead of their second group match, against Croatia. We've got plenty of interesting high-quality
And Messi really is now following another strong performance from Cristiano Ronaldo, who on Wednesday scored again his fourth goal at this World Cup,
as Portugal won their second game, virtually guaranteed now to reach the knockout stages, excuse me, of this World Cup.
But kept saying cannot be said for Argentina, they really must beat Croatia later if they're to keep their fate in their own hands, as for the games
currently under way, and as you quite rightly point out, Denmark beating Australia by a gold to nil.
That goal scored by Christian Eriksen who plays his club football for Tottenham Hotspur, England's world famous premier league, Eriksen coming
off an amazingly successful qualifying campaign, where he scored 11 times, that was a new Danish record. And perhaps no surprise he's found the back
of the net again here.
LU STOUT: Alex Thomas across it all for us. Thank you so much. Take care. And Iran might have lost out in their game against Spain on
Wednesday, before the Iranian women, there was a small victory.
Female fans were allowed to join the festivities in Tehran's main stadium, as their team ultimately lost one-nil at a tight match. It is the first
time since 1980, that Iranian women were allowed to watch the World Cup in the same stadium as men. You're watching News Stream, we'll be right back
LU STOUT: I'm Kristie Lu Stout in Hong Kong, you're watching News Stream, and these are your world headlines.
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LU STOUT: U.S. House lawmakers are just a few hours away from voting on two immigration bills. Those measures promise funds for Donald Trump's
border wall, and provide a path to citizenship for people who are brought to the U.S. illegally as children by their parents, but they don't address
what will happen to 2,300 children who have been separated from their families at the border.
Hungary's government is refusing to soften its hard-line approach to immigration. On Wednesday, the country's parliament made it illegal to
help undocumented migrants, including asylum seekers. The new law is expected to take effect in the next few weeks.
The wife of Israel's Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, has been charged with fraud, and breach of trust.
[08:30:05] Prosecutors say Sara Netanyahu used state money to fraudulently pay for hundreds of meals at the prime minister's residence for three years
that totaled $100,000. She has repeatedly denied wrongdoing in the past.
Now, I want to follow up with the story that we have been following out of Sudan. Noura Hussein was just 13 years old when she was forced into
marriage. Now, she is on death row for killing her abusive husband. It is a verdict that has caused outrage around the world, and sadly, it is a
familiar tale in Sudan.
Now, CNN's Nima Elbagir joins us me now live from London. Nima, you and your team traveled to Sudan to learn more about Noura and this pervasive
crime of child marriage and gender-based violence. What did you uncover there?
NIMA ELBAGIR, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, we were able to obtain through sources Noura's own accounting of what happened to her.
And I have to warn you, Kristie, it makes so pretty (ph) difficult listening. Take a look at this.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice over): I had no idea how I got there. I was still carrying the knife. He told my parents that he wanted to marry me.
The first time I even saw him was a week after he proposed a marriage to my uncle. I told him, I don't want to marry, I want to study. I was in the
eighth grade. And they fooled me.
ELBAGIR (voice over): These are the words of Sudanese teenager Noura Hussein. For her safety, this is not her voice, but it is Noura's story in
her own words.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice over): They did all the usual rituals for the wedding. I was overwhelmed with anger. I didn't want this man. I sat in the
hairdresser, contemplating suicide.
ELBAGIR (voice over): This is Noura on her wedding day. Noura is on death row. Convicted of the murder of her 35-year-old husband. Noura's case has
caused controversy across Sudan. A controversy Sudan's government has refused to comment on. Noura's husband's family have withheld activists,
threatened violence against her supporters. They also refused CNN's request for comment.
The badly-kept secret here is more that more than a third of marriages in Sudan are child marriages, a number that is rising, aggravated by the
financial realities in Sudan and a law that sets the legal age of marriage at 10. But some brave little girls are choosing to speak out.
ELBAGIR (voice over): (UNTRANSLATED).
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (UNTRANSLATED).
ELBAGIR (voice over): This is Emily's (ph) story and Emily's (ph) own voice. For her safety, we're not showing her face. Emily (ph) is seeking a
divorce from her abusive husband.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (UNTRANSLATED).
ELBAGIR (voice over): When it's all over, Emily (ph) wants to be a doctor. Beside her, her father wipes away tears. Unlike Noura, Emily's (ph) father
is here and supported her.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (UNTRANSLATED).
ELBAGIR (on camera): (UNTRANSLATED).
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (UNTRANSLATED).
ELBAGIR (voice over): Her father promises only to think harder, the next time a proposal for marriage comes to his underage daughter.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (UNTRANSLATED).
ELBAGIR (voice over): Nahid Jabrallah's office walls are adorned with art from rescued child victims. Centre Sima is one of the organizations
fighting on Noura's behalf. It works to combat violence against women and forced marriage in spite of a regular diet of threats.
ELBAGIR (voice over): (UNTRANSLATED).
[08:35:00] NAHID JABRALLAH, DIRECTOR, SIMA CENTRE FOR TRAINING AND PROTECTION OF WOMEN AND CHILDREN'S RIGHTS: (UNTRANSLATED).
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice over): We arrived at the honeymoon flat. I locked myself inside one of the rooms. I refused to eat. I refused to leave
my room. On the ninth day, his relatives came. His uncle told me to go to the bedroom. I said no. So he dragged me by my arm into the bedroom.
All of them tore at my clothing. His uncle held me down by my legs. And each of the other two held down my arm. He stripped and had me while I wept
and screamed. I was bleeding. I slept naked.
ELBAGIR (voice over): A familiar childhood ritual. Part and parcel of growing up. Women and girls across Sudan are fighting for the right to a
childhood. Against laws that legalize child marriage, laws that don't recognize marital rape, laws that empower their abusers.
Noura still had the knife in her hands when she fled to her parents' home. It was her own father who handed her to the police. And it's there that she
learned that she killed her husband. She's now awaiting the results of her appeal.
ELBAGIR: There is absolutely no sense, Kristie, how long that appeal could take. She is essentially watching and waiting.
LU STOUT: She is watching and waiting. And the world, we're anxiously awaiting how the judge is going to rule on Noura's fate. And as this is
happening, what about sentiment inside Sudan? Are people inside Sudan standing with Noura? And against child marriage and gender-based violence?
ELBAGIR: What has been so extraordinary is that in spite of the Sudanese government's attempts to tamp down on any outpourings of support, in spite
of their attempts to stop, our reporting was hampered extensively by state security agents, people were threatened for choosing to speak to us or even
attempting to speak to us. But people still did.
You saw the Sima Centre director there, willingly showing her face on camera. The only reason we know about Noura is because of brave men and
women like Nahid Jabrallah. And they are continuing to stand by her. Actually, it was pretty extraordinary to see up close, Kristie.
LU STOUT: Yeah. May there be justice for Noura. May there be just the basic safety and security for girls and young women in Sudan. Nima, we
thank you for your exclusive reporting. Thank you very much indeed and take care.
You're watching "News Stream." We will be right back.
LU STOUT: Coming to you live from Hong Kong, welcome back. This is "News Stream." Now, the E.U. just took the first step to changing what we see and
[08:40:00] The legislative branch approved a proposed copyright law that critics say will censor the internet. There are two sections that people
are worried about. There's Article 11 and Article 13.
Let's talk about Article 13 first. Tech companies like Facebook will have to set up a filter to scan for copyright violations. The filter checks if
uploaded content uses copyright material and then blocks it if there's a match. A bit like YouTube's blocker.
But because the filter is automated, there are worries that it can't tell the difference between a stolen work or a parody post based on copyrighted
content. It even applies to open source software and text.
Now, in an open letter, more than 70 internet pioneers like the inventor of the World Wide Web, Tim Berners-Lee, called it a tool for automated
surveillance and control of users. Now, one of the signatories, Desiree Miloshevic, a senior adviser for Afilias, told me how this hurts internet
culture and development.
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DESIREE MILOSHEVIC, SENIOR ADVISER, AFILIAS: It leads to uses and an (ph) idea of behavior where people could tinker with a person from culture or a
famous figure and aim of conveying a particular thing. Can no longer do that. They would not be able to remix any of the cultural heritage, music,
videos and photos. There would be no allowance of parody. It would be a very, very sad internet.
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LU STOUT: As for Article 11, online platforms will have to buy licenses from media companies when they show snippets of their stories. This plan is
not an official law just yet. The full parliament will have to vote to pass it.
Now, some happy news for New Zealand's first family today as Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern gave birth to a healthy baby girl. It is the first child for
Miss Ardern and her partner, Clarke Gayford.
Now, the proud parents, they introduced their daughter to the world by Instagram, saying this, quote, welcome to our village, wee one. Miss Ardern
is only the second female world leader ever to give birth in office. Pakistan's Benazir Bhutto was the first.
And that is "News Stream." I'm Kristie Lu Stout. Don't go anywhere. "World Sport" with Christina Macfarlane is next.
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