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Donald Trump on Immigration; Recep Tayyip Erdogan Wins Re- election; To Europe, an Immigration Crisis; Prince William in Jordan; Monsoon Threatens Refugees in Bangladesh; Trump: We Must 'Immediately' Return Undocumented Immigrants 'with No Judges or Court Cases'; 200,000 Refugees Threatened By Monsoon; World Cup Results. Aired 2-3a ET
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[02:00:13] GEORGE HOWELL, NEWSROOM ANCHOR, CNN: The U.S. President doubles down on his aggressive stance toward immigration, saying he wants illegal immigrants deported without a judge or a court case. The law promises otherwise. Our experts weigh in.
ROSEMARY CHURCH, NEWSROOM ANCHOR, CNN: Plus, a swift victory in Turkey for the country's President who will soon have even greater executive power.
HOWELL: And ahead this hour, six goals for England as they qualify for their group's knockout round. We'll have the very latest World Cup action for you.
CHURCH: Hello and welcome to our viewers joining us here in the United States and of course, all around the world. I'm Rosemary Church.
HOWELL: And I'm George Howell from CNN world headquarters in Atlanta. Newsroom starts right now. Around the world, good day to you, we start with the situation of parents and children that are still held right now in these immigration detention centers in the United States. There's a great deal of confusion about how or if they will be reunited even after promises and plans to do so.
CHURCH: Yeah, and this after U.S. President Donald Trump's zero tolerance policy separated them. And he's sticking to that tough immigration stance. Sunday, he tweeted we cannot allow all of these people to invade our country. He added they should be deported immediately with "no judges or court cases."
HOWELL: And the image you see here, these are the people right now caught in this political crossfire. More than 2,000 children there separated from their families, kept in processing centers. Like again, what you're seeing here along the U.S. border with Mexico. Democratic Senator Elizabeth Warren visited one such center in McAllen, Texas. She came out of that center visibly shaken. She spoke with CNN about what she saw and heard.
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ELIZABETH WARREN (D), UNITED STATES SENATOR: There are children by themselves. I saw a six-month-old baby, little girls, little boys. There are mothers with their babies and with small children. Family units are together if it's a very small child, but little girls who are 12 years old are taken away from the rest of their families and held separately or little boys. And they're all on concrete floors, in cages. There's just no other way to describe it.
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CHURCH: Elizabeth Warren there. So with the President's tweets suggesting undocumented immigrants not get due process is anything being done in Washington?
HOWELL: Our Boris Sanchez has that part of the story from the White House.
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BORIS SANCHEZ, CORRESPONDENT, CNN: President Trump digging in his heels on Sunday, going a step further than he had previously with his harsh rhetoric on immigration, the President of the United States suggesting that a segment of the population that immigrants should not receive due process. The President tweeting out on Sunday morning "we cannot allow all of these people to invade our country. When somebody comes in, we must immediately, with no judges or court cases, bring them back from where they came.
Our system is a mockery to good immigration policy and law and order. Most children come without parents. Our immigration policy laughed at all over the world is very unfair to all of those people who have gone through the system legally and are waiting in line for years. Immigration must be based on merit. We need people who will help to make America great again."
To clarify the suggestion that immigrants should not be placed before a judge or have typical legal proceedings is not something that we've heard from the President before, something likely to draw criticism from some across the aisle. Further, we should point out that the President has not done much to clarify how he wants Congress to act on immigration.
Just last week, after weeks of negotiations by house Republicans, the President essentially told them to not worry about working on a sort of more moderate immigration bill that had been in the works for several weeks, essentially telling them to punt until after the midterm elections. Then on Sunday, the President tweeted at Democrats, telling them to stop resisting and to help fix this problem.
There is supposed to be a vote on that more moderate immigration bill this upcoming week in Congress after being postponed twice, and the White House having to clarify where the President stands on that bill. No mention yet as to whether the President is looking forward to that vote or how he expects Congress to act moving forward, Boris Sanchez, CNN at the White House.
(END VIDEO CLIP) [02:05:01] CHURCH: And we can show you the outside of some detention centers where some of the unaccompanied immigrant children are staying in Texas. We can also show you footage from drones above some facilities. But videos from inside, they have been rare, mostly coming from the U.S. government.
HOWELL: And it's not clear how many children crossed the border alone or how many were separated from their parents. Some of these sites are a little more than tent cities built in the middle of deserts in the middle of the summer. Democratic lawmakers who have had access to some of these facilities say that they are appalled by what they've seen.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I am a career prosecutor. I have visited many prisons and jails. That is a prison. You walk through the halls and the doors clank shut and there are bars on the windows.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Three boys and I assumed they were brothers. They're on these thin mats that are provided. And like spoon style, they're holding on to each other for dear life with no idea where their parents were.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What I saw in these cages was a sea of humanity, little girls, little boys, fathers holding their daughters, mothers holding their daughters, who have fled horrible conditions in other countries.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We saw a 15-year-old young woman with her child. We couldn't talk to her because she was too young. You think of how afraid you must be to risk your life and your six-month-old child to make a month long journey to come to this country, and then you find yourself on a concrete floor covered with Mylar.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There's a young boy, nine-year-old boy from Honduras named Eddie. He was taken from his mom at Eagle Pass, Texas, put on a bus with a federal escort to go 2,000 miles to New York City, has no idea when he's going to see his mom again. I mean think about the trauma of what's happening to these kids.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I just think -- I kept thinking about my grandkids under six. What would happen to them if their parents' life were at risk to take a journey of hundreds, and in some cases thousands of miles, and to have them subjected to that? It's incomprehensible to me.
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HOWELL: The emotions about what's happening, the emotions are raw. A federal detention center in Oregon, the American Civil Liberties Union of Oregon alleges that 123 men have been detained for weeks, spending up to 23 hours per day in cells, and are being detained or denied rather access to attorneys, this from an ACLU lawsuit that was filed Friday. CHURCH: Now, meanwhile, the ACLU has also released a report
highlighting inadequate medical care in ICE detention centers that contributed to at least 7 deaths between 2015 and 2017.
HOWELL: Let's talk more about this now with Michael Kaufman. Michael, an attorney for the ACLU of Southern California live via Skype in Los Angeles with us this hour. Thank you for your time today, Michael.
MICHAEL KAUFMAN, SENIOR STAFF ATTORNEY, ACLU: Good to be with you.
HOWELL: The headline here in a moment. First start with the micro, the people caught up in this debate. Tell us more about the issue, the situation of attorneys having trouble getting access to people in these detention centers, and then the claims that people are being held in cells for nearly 24 hours straight. Is there any progress being made on these fronts?
KAUFMAN: Well, I can speak here to what's been going on in southern California, where -- this is what we know. On June 4th the federal government began transferring immigration detainees to a federal prison complex in Victorville, California. They're now housing hundreds of detainees, and for weeks they were held incommunicado with no access to the outside world.
No opportunity to contact an attorney and no way to contact the family members. Likewise, people on the outside had no way to get in contact with them. We had attorneys go into the detention center asking to be let inside were turned away at the prison gates. And similarly, they had no way to call and try to get in contact with the detainees there. So we had people held for weeks at a time being held essentially incommunicado.
HOWELL: So you're saying that they're essentially being denied due process, which is in line with one of the most recent tweets from the leader of the free world. President Trump tweeting the headline that many people are looking at suggesting that attorneys like yourself, judges, and courts should be sidelined and immigrants simply kicked out, denied due process, your thoughts to that.
[02:09:52] KAUFMAN: Well, look, the Trump administration has made a lot of changes to the immigration system that have wreaked a lot of havoc and caused a lot of pain and suffering for immigrants here. But one thing they cannot change is the due process clause of the constitution. And it has long been recognized by courts in this country that the due process clause...
HOWELL: But Michael, I have to interrupt you. So I mean isn't that happening though? I mean you just explained the fact that attorneys are having trouble even talking to these people, reaching them. So isn't it in fact happening right now?
KAUFMAN: You know, sadly it is. But that's why we brought a lawsuit to challenge the unconstitutional denial of attorney access. And that's why a court issued an order on Thursday, requiring the Trump administration to provide basic due process requirements that is access for attorneys to go in and speak with their clients both in person and by phone.
HOWELL: And Michael, what are your feelings about this announcement from the government that there is a new plan in place, a plan to reunite families. From what you've seen of that plan, is it a sound approach, or do you have doubts about it?
KAUFMAN: You know I have heard nothing out of the federal government recently that inspires much confidence. Now, if the plan for uniting families is simply to unite them in another prison, that's no solution at all. The Trump administration wants to solve this problem. They need to reunite family members swiftly that have already been separated, which they're having problems doing.
That's the immediate term. They need to come up with a system that allows people to remain together in a humane environment, not in prisons.
HOWELL: Michael, as people are able to get access to legal representation, these cases that you and other attorneys will take on, these cases will in many cases take months, right, even longer than that to play out?
KAUFMAN: In some cases, yes. In this particular case we brought last week, we were able to seek emergency relief from the district court, and it was granted. So now at least we have at least some basic access to the detainees that are incarcerated in the Victorville prison. But it's true, some cases take longer. And that's why it's so important for people to continue to voice their concerns.
Let their elected representatives know and put the pressure on the Trump administration to stop these unconstitutional tactics and for them to follow the law.
HOWELL: There is this broad brush that's been painted over all the people that have been caught up in the system that they're rapists, that they're drug dealers, gang members. But in fact, let's break it up more precisely. So there are people who are seeking asylum. There are people who also cross the border illegally.
Are you finding that both are being treated the same, even those who may have followed the right process to go to a port of entry to seek asylum? Are they also caught up in this web?
KAUFMAN: Well, let's be clear at the outset. You know the Trump administration has been making it difficult, and in some cases impossible for asylum seekers to present themselves at ports of entry. People have been turned away en masse. So they're creating many of the problems that they're attempting now to fix through these so- called zero tolerance policies.
And what we've seen is the cross, the board attempt to try to punish people for exercising their right to try to seek protection in the United States under our own domestic asylum laws. We see lots and lots of people come through the immigration courts every day that have very strong claims to remain here. Some of them may be seeking asylum, some of them may be able to legalize their status through a family member.
Others are eligible for visas you know for example, for victims of crime. And all we're asking is that these people have a fair shot to make their case in court. But what the government cannot do is stack the deck against them by throwing them in prisons, taking away any access to attorneys or legal assistance, and then forcing them to go forward with their cases without any help at all.
HOWELL: Laws do dictate that they should have process, of course. We will see due process. We'll see of course, you know, as you and other attorneys continue to reach out to people in these detention centers. Thank you so much for your time, Michael Kaufman.
KAUFMAN: Thank you.
HOWELL: Moving on now to Europe, an immigration crisis also playing out there. Nations are scrambling to deal with it. E.U. leaders came together on Sunday in Brussels, holding informal talks on how to handle the influx of migrants on the continent. The German Chancellor Angela Merkel says there should be direct deals with E.U. countries. Listen.
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ANGELA MERKEL, GERMAN CHANCELLOR: We all agree that we want to reduce illegal migration, though we want to protect our boarders, and that we all are responsible for all topics. It can't be the case that some only deal with primary migration and others only with secondary migration. Everybody is responsible for everything.
Wherever possible, we want European solutions, but this is not possible. We want to bring those who are willing together and find a common framework for action.
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[02:14:51] CHURCH: And Sunday's informal meeting comes ahead of Thursday's official summit where migration and asylum will be a main topic. Well, next here on CNN Newsroom, it looks like the gamble has paid off for Turkey's President who is set to gain sweeping new power after Sunday's snap elections.
HOWELL: Plus, these two leaders signed a pledge toward denuclearization earlier this month. How Washington plans to follow up on North Korea's promises. Stay with us.
CHURCH: Welcome back, everyone. Well, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan looks set to tighten his grip on power after Sunday's elections.
HOWELL: The head of Turkey's supreme election (Inaudible) has declared Mr. Erdogan the winner. And it appears the President's coalition will hold on to parliament as well. CNN's Sam Kiley has more on the controversial vote from Istanbul.
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SAM KILEY, CORRESPONDENT, CNN: Political ecstasy as the re-election of Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan. In their moment of glory, his supporters reveling in an outright victory for the man who led his country for the last 15 years by claiming to have won almost 53 percent of the vote. He announced his victory that avoided a presidential runoff before any official results have been published.
[02:20:10] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: After jailing tens of thousands of his political opponents, forcing through a change to the constitution, which concentrates power in the hands of the presidency and stifling the free press. This is what victory looks like to President Erdogan.
KILEY: Erdogan survived a coup two years ago. His followers' hope he'll stay in office long enough to lead the next generation.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Our nation has given me the mandate for the presidency, along with the people's alliance. A great responsibility has been placed on our shoulders by our nation by these results.
KILEY: Some of the President's voters were almost incoherent with joy, a different scene at the headquarters of the opposition's main candidate, Muharrem Ince. Its leadership initially convinced that they had been robbed of a Presidential runoff, but their own count later confirmed that Erdogan had won. And that was greeted by jubilant crowds in Ankara, as well as Istanbul.
Close to 60 million Turks were registered to vote. Erdogan said turnout was nearly 90 percent and that his coalition had also won control of the 600-seat parliament. He now has complete executive control of Turkey, the right to rule by decree, and to pick his own cabinet.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Turkey did not only choose one President and 600 MPs. It changed the whole system of government. We will get this working fast and perfectly.
KILEY: For his opponent, this is a moment of political agony. That holds little prospect that Erdogan can heal a nation that remains bitterly divided, Sam Kylie, CNN, Istanbul.
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CHURCH: The United States is expected to give North Korea a timeline soon for denuclearization.
HOWELL: Pyongyang made the commitment during the summit earlier this month between the U.S. President Donald Trump and Kim Jong-Un, leader of North Korea. Senior defense official though, says it will soon be clear whether Pyongyang is acting in good faith on giving up its nuclear arsenal. CHURCH: And for more on this, CNN's Paula Hancocks joins us now from
Seoul, South Korea. Good to see you, Paula. So what more are you learning about this denuclearization timeline that the U.S. will present to Pyongyang and what will likely be the initial steps expected from North Korea to show its good faith in this whole process?
PAULA HANCOCKS, CORRESPONDENT, CNN: Well, Rosemary, what we've heard from a senior defense official is that soon they will give this indication to North Korea. The U.S. concept of how the implementation of denuclearization is going to work. They have said that they have "specific asks," a specific timeline that they're looking for. So this is what they'll be giving to Pyongyang.
And according to the senior defense official, they believe that they will be able to tell very soon after that whether or not the North Koreans are serious about denuclearization. The U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has been leading this charge. He said just last week that he expects to be back in North Korea before too long.
So certainly, this is the first step that the U.S. is going to point out exactly what they're looking for from North Korea. They've mentioned that they want some data points. Now that could potentially be gestures that they're looking for. There was a mention of a missile engine test site being demolished by North Korea. That was mentioned by the U.S. President Donald Trump.
We haven't heard too much about that since, whether that is still on the cards. The fact that there could be remains of soldiers from the Korean War brought back out of North Korea, that could potentially be another issue that the Americans are waiting for, to see if there is a goodwill gesture on the North Korean side.
And if they are serious about what they claim they were serious about during that summit, we know that the Secretary of Defense as well, James Mattis is led together region and going to China, then South Korea, then Japan to be talking about all this. Although, we have heard from him as well, saying his role is on the back burner at this point. It's the diplomats that are leading the charge with North Korea.
CHURCH: Now Paula, you mentioned there that very soon North Korea will hand back the remains of some U.S. servicemen. We don't know when exactly this would happen. But what's the process involved to insure that these are indeed the remains of U.S. servicemen?
HANCOCKS: Well, this has happened many times in the past. I think the most recent one was just a few years ago of one individual service member. The Trump administration is expecting up to 200 sets of remains from the North Koreans. We know that the U.S. forces in Korea, the United Nations command headed up by the U.S. military have sent 100 wooden caskets to the DMZ in anticipation of these remains.
[02:25:09] We know that the U.S. side is certainly readying itself to be able to receive these remains. But of course, it's the North Koreans who are dictating exactly when it will happen, which is why we don't have too much clarification on timing at this point. We would then expect some kind of a ceremony for the transfer of remains, and then potentially in Hawaii where there is a forensics laboratory to be able to figure out who everybody is.
CHURCH: All right. Our Paula Hancocks joining us live from Seoul in South Korea, where it's nearly 3:30 in the afternoon. Many thanks.
HOWELL: The immigration crisis in the southern U.S. shows very little sign of easing up. Still ahead, we hear from one mother who knows all too well what the separated families are dealing with.
CHURCH: Plus, a monsoon threatens hundreds of thousands of refugees in Bangladesh. We will tell you why conditions there are ripe for a disaster. We're back in just a moment.
HOWELL: Thank you for being with us. We're CNN Newsroom live in the United States and around the world this hour. I'm George Howell.
CHURCH: And I'm Rosemary Church. Let's bring you up to date on the main stories we're following this hour.
HOWELL: The Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has won re- election in Sunday's snap vote, this according to head of that country's supreme election board. With almost all votes counted, state media report Mr. Erdogan's coalition is also still in control of parliament. The opposition though is disputing those results.
CHURCH: Prince William is in Jordan for the first leg of his Middle Eastern tour. He will soon meet with young Syrian refugees and visit an army base.
Later on Monday, the Duke of Cambridge will fly to Israel, making him the first British royal to make an official visit to the country.
GEORGE HOWELL, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: The U.S. President Donald Trump is digging in on his tough stance on immigration. He tweeted Sunday that those caught illegally trying to enter the country that they should be deported without due process. No judicial involvement he says. Mr. Trump also said the U.S., "Cannot allow all of these people to invade our country."
CHURCH: Meanwhile, the U.S. Government has to deal with the more than 2,000 immigrant children in detention centers. Their job now how to reunite the families that was separated in April and made by the Trump administration's zero tolerance policy on illegal immigration. One migrant from El Salvador knows firsthand what it feels like to be separated from her child.
HOWELL: Her 5-year-old daughter was taken from her when she arrived at the Texas border two years ago. She told her story to CNN's Scott McLean.
SCOTT MCLEAN, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: It's hard to think of being locked up and separated from your child. But for this woman, it's a nightmare she doesn't have to imagine.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (via translator): It's very painful not only for us as mothers but also for our kids.
MCLEAN: She shared her story on condition of anonymity. Her case is still pending in court. It begins in early 2016 in her native El Salvador when a death threat from a local gang sent her running for her life. After traveling for almost a month, she reached the Texas border looking for asylum. Instead, she ended up losing her daughter. She was locked up in detention while the girl who was then just 5 years old was taken to a separate shelter for unaccompanied minors.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (via translator): I told them that they couldn't do that. We have to be together. And then she told me if I didn't let them take her, they were immediately going to deport us both.
MCLEAN: What was going through your mind at that point when you realized that you -- your daughter was being taken away from you?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (via translator): The truth is I thought that I wasn't going to see her again.
MCLEAN: She says it took two weeks to locate the child and it was almost three weeks before they connected by phone. What was that conversation like that first conversation with your daughter?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (via translator): I would say, my daughter, are you OK? And she would say, yes. I would say with God first, we're going to see each other again and she would just say, yes.
MCLEAN: After a month, the 5-year-old girl was turned over to a relative in the U.S. Her mother was released a few weeks later. Under the Obama administration, family separations were not widespread, but not unheard of either.
JEH JOHNSON, FORMER UNITED STATES SECRETARY OF HOMELAND SECURITY: Immigration laws --
MCLEAN: Former Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson said separations were for health or safety concerns. A woman here had been deported alone once before. Her lawyer won't say why, but says the forced separation was unjustified.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: At that time it absolutely was not the policy. It was against policy.
MCLEAN: Not everyone in this country probably has sympathy for you. What would you say to those people?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (via translator): I can only say that this should no longer happen, that no kid is taken from their parents because it's a trauma the kids go through and it affects them and is impossible to forget.
MCLEAN: Mother and daughter are now living together in Western Colorado. But they will still have to convince a judge that they are in genuine need of protection and there are no guarantees. Does that scare you?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (via translator): Yes, for my life and my daughter's life.
MCLEAN: Scott McLean, CNN Las Vegas.
HOWELL: Scott, thank you for the reporting. Now, let's get perspective with Scott Lucas, Scott, a Professor of International Politics at the University of Birmingham and the founder of E.A. WorldView live this hour via Skype in Birmingham, England. A pleasure to have you, Scott. Let's first talk about the president's suggestion that immigrants be denied due process as it stands now asylum seekers and even people who cross the border illegally. They had limited rights. The president wants to skip the judges, cut out the courts, and simply kick people out, your thoughts.
SCOTT LUCAS, PROFESSOR, INTERNATIONAL POLITICS, UNIVERSITY OF BIRMINGHAM: This is not just a suggestion. This is a demand from Donald Trump and it's one that he has made before although he made it loudly on Twitter yesterday. Let's explain why. The Trump administration including Trump and advisers like Steven Miller see the courts as an impediment, not as an essential part of the American system. Remember that it was the courts that prevented them from implementing the Muslim ban in January 2017 on people being able to enter the U.S. from six mainly Muslim countries. Remember, it's the courts which had limited their ability in previous months to crackdown on immigration or carry out anti-immigration measures. Remember, it's the courts that could rule in this case that it is illegal to detain parents and children before they get to a port of entry and claim asylum. So in other words, the idea here is, you run over the courts. You bypass them and indeed it goes further because Trump also said yesterday that you will bypass Congress because what he effectively did is undermine Republican immigration bills and says, look, it's not worth passing these now.
[02:35:16] The Democrats will block them. The idea here is there should be only one source of power in the U.S. government, thus the Trump administration whatever the cost we see from this immigration policy.
CHURCH: And Scott, let's just listen to what two lawmakers had to say when they were told that they didn't have permission to inspect a New Jersey detention center. Let's bring that up.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You do not have permission.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, we now -- (CROSSTALK)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Congressman entitled to do here --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is America. This isn't Moscow.
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CHURCH: And so Scott, we are seeing lawmakers turned away from these detention centers. One of them saying, this is America, not Moscow. What's going on here? On what basis are these detention centers allowed to prevent the access of lawmakers and of the media?
LUCAS: There's, you know, there are certain provisions which regulate for example, when you're holding minors in, "Shelters", in this case detention centers. And that is for example, you may not be able to talk to these because these could be vulnerable children. There could be health issues about that. That is one reason why for example these children are being vaccinated. But let's be clear here. These aren't health and safety reasons preventing these basically visits. That is officials, officials answerable to the Trump administration don't want legislators, don't want journalists to see what is happening. Two weeks ago when they allowed limited visits albeit without photographs, that's when we first heard about the extent of the detentions. So why let them back in to continue to show us that in fact many of the children are not being reunited and indeed that many of the children are now effectively lost in the system because records haven't been kept.
HOWELL: OK. Look, Scott, despite the images that we've all seen around the world of these detention centers despite the sounds, you know, the audios that -- the audio that we've all heard of the children screaming out for their mothers and their fathers. The president has indicated in Nevada this weekend that he sees the whole thing as a winning play going into the November midterms. Let's listen to that.
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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: And immigration, we have to be very strong. I like the issue for election too. Our issue is strong borders, no crime. Their issue is open borders, let MS-13 all over our country. That's what's going to happen if you listen to them.
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HOWELL: The emotion of what's happening set aside here, Scott, the question many voters they support what the president is doing, this aggressive approach toward immigration. Are Democrats underestimating his appeal here on this issue or is this enough to rally that base?
LUCAS: Let's be clear. Some people support Trump. The question is whether it's many. It is the strategy of the key White House Adviser Steven Miller. It is probably the strategy shared by Attorney General Jeff Sessions as well as Trump which is if we continue to crack down no matter what the legal issues are, no matter what the cost is to children and parents, we'll win in November's congressional elections which means by the way, they're not going to apologize. They're not going to back down over what has happened in recent weeks. Connect that to the second issue. They think if they win in Congress in November that their belief, that the courts are not important, that you can go around Congress is justified. In other words, these elections now are much more than returning an individual representative or senator. It's even more than the immigration issue. It is a question about the extent of the Trump administration's power and I would go even farther. This is a battle for the soul of America coming up. It will be fought not over the next week, the next month but all the way through November and beyond.
CHURCH: Scott Lucas, thank you so much for joining us. We appreciate it.
HOWELL: Wow. Thank you.
LUCAS: Thank you.
CHURCH: All right. Let's take a short break. But still to come, a monsoon is bearing down on refugee camps in Bangladesh and it's feared hundreds of thousands of people may be in danger. We'll have the details for you next.
[02:42:23] HOWELL: We're following the situation in Southern China. Heavy rain there has led to significant flooding in recent days.
CHURCH: And our meteorologist Pedram Javaheri is at the CNN Weather Center with more on this. So Pedram, what's been the impact of all this flooding?
PEDRAM JAVAHERI, CNN INTERNATIONAL METEOROLOGIST: You know, it's been an event here that set up the last several weeks. We've seen continuous rainfall and, you know, kind of logically. This is the time of year, 20, 25 times in the month of June, 25 days in the month of June, you would expect rainfall in some of these cities. Unfortunately, the impacts here you're Rosemary have been significant flooding. And of course, we've seen damage done to many, many communities across places such as Yunnan Province and footage out of this region shows you what we're speaking of here. And as early as 7:00 in the morning in the past 24 hours, you have scenes like this played out where folks have come out of bed, looked outside, and you see essentially what was your street that you would be commuting down now turning into a raging river, and of course, when it all tapers off, what you have is a tremendous amount of debris strewn about and that makes it just a dangerous for a lot of people.
And situations like this have played out over and over again. Again, this is the time of year you expect a lot of rainfall, some areas of China have been hard pressed to get it. Other areas are getting too much of it and things played out at such year and you take a look at a month by month break down take the City of Hong Kong for example. Look at which month peaks here, of course, the month of May and June. And then you work your way into July, you see the highest months in total there coming in over these next several months. And rainfall much of it concentrated out towards areas around Yunnan Province and now towards Guangdong as well while on the opposite end of the perspective.
We're watching what's happening in India, the lack of rainfall across parts of India because of a slow progression of the monsoons. They should be somewhere closer to Delhi or well south of that near Mumbai. That has been concerning, an area that has been really seeing a lot of rainfall of course near Bangladesh. They are across the northern portion of Bay of Bengal and has been an entirely different story. And unfortunately, too much rain and too many people there are being impacted by this as well, George and Rosemary.
CHURCH: Yes, it is problematic. Thank you so much for pointing all of that out to us, Pedram. Appreciate it.
HOWELL: Thank you.
JAVAHERI: Thank you. Yes.
CHURCH: And those monsoon rains are endangering hundreds of thousands of refugees in Bangladesh. That is according to international aid agencies.
[02:44:33] HOWELL: They warn that around 200,000 Rohingya refugees Muslims fleeing a military crackdown in neighboring Myanmar, are threatening -- threatened by landslides and flooding at the Kutupalong camp in Bangladesh.
Let's talk more now with Richard Weir. Richard is a fellow for the Asia Division of Human Rights Watch, joining us via Skype in New York. Thank you so much for your time today.
Let's talk about the amount of land available for Rohingya in Bangladesh. It's already limited, it's supposed to be temporary with many of the shelters built up in rugged terrain that is surely at risk during monsoon season. Tell us more about the situation, the real situation on the ground for people there.
RICHARD WEIR, RESEARCHER, ASIA DIVISION, HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH (via skype): Well, as you say, the land -- the amount of land is extraordinarily limited. And I think, one of the things that people fail to realize is that these over half a million of these people are living in the most congested refugee camp in the world.
In some spaces in these camps, people have less than a meter -- a square meter of space for themselves. And often times, people are living in cramped and crowded single, single spaces that are no more than a few meters by a few meters and they're really just composed and comprised of tarps and bamboo. And these are extraordinarily fragile shelters despite the -- you know, the efforts to fortify these shelters. These shelters which thousands of them have already been damaged or destroyed by landslides and extreme weather, are extraordinarily vulnerable as the -- as the cyclone and rainy season really picks up and it's going to peak here in the next few weeks.
HOWELL: And Richard, you know, we're looking at these images while you were speaking, but if we could take those images full again just to show our viewers around the world exactly what the Rohingya are dealing with, there are two questions that I want to raise to you.
First of all, with regards to -- look, relocation, how difficult is it for these groups to physically move the shelters, these many shelters that, that we're seeing here to safer ground?
WEIR: Well, this is a very difficult situation for the range of population and for the government of Bangladesh, but there have been a number of sites that have been identified in the area that these -- that these refugees can do moved to, that are far safer, they're not nearly as high a risk for landslides. Individuals have already died because of these landslides.
So, it's important that the spaces that are available. That those be used and the individuals, the refugees living in Bangladesh be moved to those sites where they will be safer.
HOWELL: Richard, the second part of my question about relocation, look, another move for this ethnic minority that has endured such hardship already. Surely, there is an added emotional toll for people who already went to great lengths to escape what's been described as ethnic cleansing in Myanmar.
WEIR: Absolutely. And this is a population that has been subjected to the most brutal campaign by the Myanmar military and security forces. We're talking about a widespread rape, arson, murder. Many of the refugees that we've spoken to have borne physical scars, full- body burns.
And in addition to the psychological scars that they now bear and wear from these traumas. And the reality is, is that there are not enough services available to provide adequate and -- adequate services not just for the physical welfare, but also the psychological welfare of these individuals.
So, any movement -- and you can imagine the range of population being very concerned about being moved again. And I think, one of the things that has been quite concerning that the Rohingya population has consistently opposed is the movement to the island, Vashan Char which the Bangladesh government had proposed. But this is something that is simply -- and its unsuitable situation, it's prone to flooding, and will likely leave these refugees more vulnerable.
And I think that's -- no, that's the core concern here is that did these people while they're safer in Bangladesh, they don't want to be moved into another more insecure, unstable, unsafe, situation again.
HOWELL: Not to mention the other concerns, the risks of illness and disease spreading when you add monsoon season to what they've already been dealing with. Richard Weir, we appreciate your time and perspective. We'll stay in touch with you.
WEIR: Thanks for having me.
CHURCH: And to coming up, England were favored to beat Panama at the World Cup, but their 6-1win is guilt brutal. How it ranks in the history of England victories? That's still to come.
[02:51:37] JAVAHERI: In 25th, 2018, means Christmas just six months away, and take a look at this. How about this some scattered isolated storms across portions of the Midwestern, and certainly, out towards the upper Midwestern U.S. over the next 24, so hours.
About 2-1/2 million people are impacted by this in particular around Des Moines, Iowa points. Just to the south and to areas of Northern Missouri there for some stronger storms, including some large hail and damaging winds really the predominant threat. But you see these storms brew as we head on in towards each and every single afternoon.
Chicago will shoot for 25 degrees. Dallas, about 11 better up to 36, warmth. A very nice across portions of San Francisco, Vancouver B.C. thanks for tuning in about18 degrees.
But notice what happens here. That big-time heat that's been in place begins really building in towards areas around the Great Lakes. In the middle 20s that are rather comfortable here in the latter portion of June, give way to essentially what becomes a very warm starts of July as we go in into the next week or so, at temps expected to stay into the 30s across places such as Chicago.
Down to the tropics, we go watching a couple areas of disturbed weather. What do we have here? We have a low probability of formation over the next week, but one of the storms are watching carefully as tropical storm, Daniel. Fortunately, just a fish storm beginning to push off towards the west not a significant threat to anyone besides Mariners across that region, but as you work your way towards Mexico City, expect some isolated storms around 22. Chihuahua, up to 37, leaving you with South America.
CHURCH: In World Cup action feels that their Sunday saw a huge win for England, as they pushed into the knockout stage. For more, we're joined by CNN's Kate Riley. A fan, of course, coffee of the team.
KATE RILEY, CNN INTERNATIONAL SPORTS ANCHOR: Yes, of course. A huge --
CHURCH: You must be so thrilled.
RILEY: Yes, a huge win, a huge smile over at this end of the desk. I'm sorry, I can't help it.
CHURCH: Amazing. What -- I mean, what a win though, 6-1. Extraordinary.
HOWELL: It was incredible.
RILEY: Yes. So, obviously, England, a far stronger team than Panama, but Panama did beat the United States to qualify for the World Cup. So, yes.
CHURCH: Wow. Yes, players expect it to get.
RILEY: It does, yes. So, we were expected to win, no one expected England to win 6-1. So, you can imagine plenty of fans back at home nothing, we're going to win the whole thing. So we've got to reign those expectations in a bit, myself included.
Yes, really was an amazing day at something 6-1 victory over Panama which assures The Three Lions a place in the last 16 of the tournament with one group stage match to spare as Harry Kane's day, but defender John Stones couldn't believe his luck. We helped himself to not one, but two goals himself.
Under there, Panama works and he never in it. The skipper came added the second from a penalty spot before Man United's Jesse Lingard, scored 25 yards out in the ball of (INAUDIBLE) perfection where Panama crumbled at that point and the avalanche of goals.
We expected Julie arrived, we're back to the Tottenham star, Kane. Remember, he scored a brace in his country's opening game, and he converted his second penalty of this match. At this point, he had the word hat-trick surely on his lips. And sure enough that it comes not sure he knew too much about it though. He had his back to Ruben Loftus-Cheek's shot, and the ball flies into the back of the net.
Two penalties and deflection, he'll take it through. He's now the third England player to score a hat-trick as World Cup following in the footsteps of Sir Geoff Hurst, back in the 66th final at Wembley. And Gary Lineker-Mexico 86 6-1.
[02:55:33] HOWELL: So, looking at that will be a lot of excitement already or what are the big matches to look ahead?
RILEY: Oh, yes. One Cristiano Ronaldo in action on Monday. So, get excited.
CHURCH: Oh, yes.
RILEY: We're going to have plenty to talk about Harry Kane. Now in the running for the Golden Boot. He's up there at the top Cristiano Ronaldo hot on his heels.
CHURCH: Yes. RILEY: So, we are going to see Group B that sees Spain and Morocco in action. Meantime, in Group A, host, Russia and Uruguay, battle to finish talked while Egypt and Saudi Arabia also meet. Now, Ronaldo has already scored a dazzling hat-trick in the opener against Spain.
In fact, he's now scored his country's last five goals at the World Cup and a little extra spice as Iran are coached by his compatriot and one-time father figure Carlos Queiroz with whom CR7 has reportedly had a strained relationship with over the last few years.
The pair work together both at Manchester United and the Portuguese national team.
CHURCH: Wow, Kate Riley. So much to cover.
RILEY: I know, still smiling over here.
HOWELL: And a big smile -- thank you.
CHURCH: Yes, let's do it again next hour.
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