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President Trump Wants to Deport Illegal Immigrants; Migrants on Ships Desperate to Find Help; Prince William Visits Israel; Harley Davidson Shifts Some Production Out Of The U.S.; Trump Officials Heckled In Public; Thailand Resumes Search For Missing Soccer Team; How Life Is Change In North Korea; Pompeo Will Not Set Timeline For Negotiations; Kim Jong-un Making Moves Towards Openness. Aired 3-4a ET

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ROSEMARY CHURCH, CNN HOST: U.S. President Donald Trump lashing out while still standing strong on his immigration policy which separates families at the border.

Stranded at sea with no nation ready to step in. Migrants trapped on tiny boats wait as European nations debate how much they're willing to help.

And a desperate search for survivors in Thailand after a teenage soccer team gets trapped in a cave.

Hello and welcome to our viewers joining us from all around the world. I'm Rosemary Church, and this is CNN Newsroom.

Donald Trump says if he's learned one thing from the recent immigration crisis, it's that detention centers for undocumented immigrants are better now than under his predecessor, Barack Obama. That comment came at a campaign rally Monday night in South Carolina. The president also said the uproar over immigration is good politics.

CNN's Jim Acosta begins our coverage.

JIM ACOSTA, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: As his aides tried to drown out questions from reporters, President Trump pushed back on any notion that he regrets signing an executive order that was supposed to halt child separations at the border.


DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: The executive order was great. It was something that I felt we had to do. We want children staying together. The law has been this law for a long period of time.


ACOSTA: But the president doubled down on his hard-line stance, declaring he wants to set up a system that sends migrants back to their home countries no matter their circumstances.


TRUMP: We want a system where when people come in illegally, they have to go out. A nice simple system that works. We want strong borders, and we want no crime. Strong borders. We want no crime. The Democrats want open borders, and they don't care about crime, and they don't care about our military.


ACOSTA: Describing migrants as invaders, the president said he wants to deny due process rights to border crossers, tweeting, "We cannot allow all of these people to invade our country. When somebody comes in, we must immediately, with no judges or court cases, bring them back from where they came."

The tough talk was echoed by Attorney General Jeff Sessions, who didn't close the door on the possibility that more children could be separated from their migrant parents.


JEFF SESSIONS, UNITED STATES ATTORNEY GENERAL: The president has made this clear. We're going to continue to prosecute those adults who enter here illegally. We are going to do everything in our power, however, to avoid separating families.


ACOSTA: The president revealed part of the reason for his crackdown at the border that's lead to the separations of more than 2,000 children. He thinks it's good politics.


TRUMP: Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, they just want --


TRUMP: -- they want to use the issue. And I like the issue for election too. Our issue is strong borders, no crime.


ACOSTA: A few of Mr. Trump's fellow Republicans wonder how the president will solve the immigration issue while he's using it to beat up on top Democrats.


SEN. JEFF FLAKE (R), ARIZONA: When the president says that and calls them clowns and losers, how does he suspect -- or expect the Democrats to sit down and work with Republicans on these issues? So words matter. What the president says matters, and he ought to knock that off. (CROWD CHANTING)


ACOSTA: Democrats are punching back, booing administration officials as they dine out in Washington. One restaurant in Virginia refused to serve press secretary Sarah Sanders, drawing praise from Democratic lawmaker Maxine Waters.


REP. MAXINE WATERS (D), CALIFORNIA: And if you see anybody from that cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out, and you create a crowd, and you push back on them, and you tell them they're not welcome anymore, anywhere.


ACOSTA: The president seemed to relish the fight, tweeting, "Congresswoman Maxine Waters, an extraordinarily low I.Q. person has become together with Nancy Pelosi, the face of the Democrat Party. Be careful what you wish for, Max."

SARAH HUCKABEE-SANDERS, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: Healthy debate on ideas and political philosophy is important, but the calls for harassment and push for any Trump supporter to avoid the public is unacceptable. America is a great country and our ability to find solutions despite those disagreements is what makes us unique.


CHURCH: Well as politicians go back and forth at the center of the issue of course, are children. Children who, at this hour, are separated from their families.

Miguel Marquez is in McAllen, Texas, with a closer look.



MIGUEL MARQUEZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Anger growing on the Texas-Mexico border and across the country over the president's zero tolerance immigration policy.

[03:05:01] (CROWD CHANTING)

MARQUEZ: Zero tolerance equals children separated from parents despite the president's executive order to end the separations, thousands of kids and their parents remain disconnected.

This man, just out of lockup in El Paso, has no idea where his daughter is or how he'll find her. "I don't know if I'm going to see her again," he says. "I need to see her and be with her. She's the only child I have." In McAllen, responses to the first lady's fashion choice when she was

seen wearing a jacket bearing the message "I really don't care. Do you?" Assurances today many here do care.

NORMA PIMENTEL, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, CATHOLIC CHARITIES OF THE RIO GRANDE VALLEY: They're scared. They're frightened and they know in prison, in a prison environment, and so they're not sure what's going to happen.

MARQUEZ: Sister Norma Pimentel has worked in resettling immigrants in the Rio Grande Valley for decades.

PIMENTEL: Any person that feels threatened and afraid for their life, they should have the right to go for a country and ask for protection.


MARQUEZ: But the president as he has for years insists there is a crisis of criminal immigrants flooding across the border.


TRUMP: We will have millions and millions of people pouring through our country with all of the problems that would cause with crime.


MARQUEZ: The president now suggesting in a tweet, immigrants seeking asylum should be turned back with no opportunity to make their case.


MARQUEZ: Is it illegal to seek asylum?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's not illegal to seek asylum. Stripping immigrants from due process it's illegal and unconstitutional.


MARQUEZ: The government making its best case that children separated from their parents are being cared for. In this video provided to CNN by Health and Human Services, because they won't allow independent media to record in the facilities, the Tornillo facility in Al Paso County portrays an upbeat atmosphere with kids playing, eating and staying in tents. There is no sound along with the video.

The big question is here, how does this all get rectified? How do these families get back together? One state politician I spoke to says that she is convinced that the government has information, has tracked both the kids and the families, knows where they are, but there's no process. There's no way to get them back together.

She's also not convinced they want to do it very quickly, since that the government may choose to wait till the asylum process is over for the parents before trying to get them together. That could take weeks if not months. And in many of these cases, these kids and parents are thousands of miles apart.

Miguel Marquez, CNN, McAllen, Texas.

CHURCH: Well, Europe's migrant crisis is expected to top the agenda when French President Emmanuel Macron meets with Pope Francis next hour. They are holding talks as several ships carrying hundreds of asylum seekers are desperately trying to find a European port that will let them dock.

The details now from CNN's Melissa Bell.

MELISSA BELL, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Tourist taking zumba class in the Mediterranean, oblivious to the tragedy unfolding alongside them. In the background, the Maersk cargo ship carrying 113 rescued migrants now stranded off the coast of Sicily.

Just like the Aquarius before them, the Maersk and the life liner carrying migrants with nowhere to go as Europe closes its doors. Sunday night, a group of M.P.s visited the life line where the outlook for the migrants remains bleak.

Over the weekend, Maltese armed forces delivered boxes of supplies, but with weather conditions expected to worsen, the ship's crew say they only have enough to get either to Malta or Italy, both of which have closed their ports to these ships.


CLAUS-PETER REISCH, CAPTAIN, LIFELINE: The Italians told us the responsibility is on the Libyans. And the Libyans, if you try to call them, they don't pick up the phone.


BELL: But Italy's new hard line interior minister was in Libya this Monday, praising authorities there and taking on the NGOs.


MATTEO SALVINI, INTERIOR MINISTER OF ITALY (through translator): We will do everything to ensure that only the Libyan authorities are responsible for protecting the Libyan territory, including the maritime one, by blocking the invasion of those associations that would like to take the place of governments and authorities and that in fact help human traffickers.


BELL: A group that arrived back in Tripoli on Sunday according to Libyan officials. This as a result of a deal signed last year between Tripoli and Rome that led to a 50 percent drop in the numbers of migrants landing on European shores from Libya.

Too little too late for European unity on the matter. The migrant crisis now more than three years old has brought to power a hard-line coalition in Rome and led to a more fragile one in Germany with the German chancellor now under such pressure to toughen up her position that the meeting of 16 E.U. leaders on Sunday was dubbed the save Merkel summit by the press.


[03:10:05] ANGELA MERKEL, GERMAN CHANCELLOR (through translator): It cannot be the case that some only deal with primary migration and others only with secondary migration. Everybody is responsible for everything. Wherever possible, we want European solutions. Where this is not possible, we want to bring those who are willing together and find a common framework for action.


BELL: But agreement among the 16 won't be enough. On Thursday and Friday, 28 European nations including the four hard-line East European countries who boycotted Sunday's meeting will meet in an effort to find unity on the very issue that has for three years now driven them so much further apart.

Melissa Bell, CNN, Paris.

CHURCH: Well, most Asian markets extended a global selloff Tuesday as investors worry about a trade war between the U.S. and China. Let's look at those numbers. You can see mostly in negative territory or pretty flat, and that anxiety sent tech stocks on Wall Street to their worst losses in more than two months Monday. The NASDAQ dropped just over 2 percent.

Anna Stewart joins us now from London with the latest on all of this. So Anna, how are markets in Europe looking as they open to these global jitters?

ANNA STEWART, CNN PRODUCER: Good morning, Rosemary. We're having actually something of a rebound here in Europe. We'll bring up those numbers for you. Xetra DAX leading the way about .6 percent, FTSE, 20 basis points. Same for the SMI and half a percentage point for the Paris CAC 40.

But we did see as you said big losses on Wall Street, particularly the NASDAQ of course. Tech sector hit particularly hard. And they've been rather immune to trade tensions so far. In fact the NASDAQ had a high just last week.

This was all on the reports yesterday that the Trump administration is looking to restrict investment from Chinese firms into U.S. tech firm. This of course follows on from the tariffs that the U.S. is already waging on China. And so this is going forwards.

This is over the concerns the Trump administration has had so far, we believe, that Chinese firms have unfair practice of stealing U.S. secrets around tech. However, once we had the market alarm, you could say, we then had some market confusion, Rosemary, because we had Steve Mnuchin, the treasury secretary coming out on Twitter. And we'll bring that up. He's saying "On behalf of Donald Trump, the stories on investment

restrictions and Bloomberg and the Wall Street Journal are false, fake news. The leaker either doesn't exist or know the subject very well. A statement will be out not specific to China but to all countries that are trying to steal our technology."

And then if that wasn't confusing enough, then Peter Navarro, one of the trader advisers for Donald Trump spoke on CNBC saying that no countries are being targeted at all. So some rebound for many stocks after all of that confusion but we await to see whether we do get a statement out in the coming days.

CHURCH: Very interesting. Anna, this trade war is no longer hypothetical. And yesterday we saw some real repercussions, didn't we, from Harley-Davidson? I think we may have lost communication with Anna there. All right. We'll move on for now.

Britain's Prince William is in Israel. He's making the first official visit there by a British royal. This hour he is scheduled to visit Jerusalem's Holocaust Memorial. We'll have the details for you next.

Plus, it's do or die for Lionel Messi at the World Cup. We will get a preview of Argentina's matchup with Nigeria. That's still to come. Stay with us.


CHURCH: Lionel Messi takes to the pitch in just a few hours from now as team Argentina is facing the prospect of elimination from the World Cup.

CNN world sport anchor Patrick Snell is here with all the details. I mean this is -- it's been tough, hasn't it, for Messi? It has to be said. And we've watched him really have difficulties on the field. So what are the prospects for Argentina?

PATRICK SNELL, CNN SPORTS REPORTER: You look at his body language.


SNELL: He's just not happy. They can turn it around, though. They still have a fighting chance. If they can beat Nigeria. Nigeria will make it very tough for them though. We should not underestimate them at all particularly after they way even proved as the tournament progress.

But, yes, Lionel Messi, one of the world's top players along with you know who, Cristiano Ronaldo. I'll get to Ronal do in just a moment. But look, they should have confidence, Rosemary. Ad here's the big reason why. Their fans are still very much behind them.

We're going to show you some incredible video. This is from outside Argentina's official hotel there in St. Petersburg where the game will be played later on. Great scenes there. If you're an Argentine player and you're seeing and hearing that, how can you not be boosted by that? I will say, though, the reason why they're also back in it, they were

thrown a life line, won't they, by Nigeria's victory over Iceland. The question is, are they equipped? Are they sufficiently organized to take full advantage? Is the motivation, is the desire still there?

So far I have to say you question that. This is a far cry from the squad that almost went all the way. They got to the final, didn't they, in 2014 in Brazil only to narrowly lose to Germany.

Here's a look at really what has to happen. Argentina, they've just got to beat Nigeria from their perspective and then hope that Iceland don't beat Croatia in the group's other game. If it doesn't go to plan for Argentina, you then start to question will it be Lionel Messi's World Cup swan song.


SNELL: You know, many people believe that would be the case. But you know, they've got the equipment. They've got the players. Can they just gel? Can they foster that team spirit to go on? Who knows? They're trying to win this for a third time if they get momentum.

CHURCH: Yes. So much is about the confidence.


SNELL: We've seen it with Germany.

CHURCH: yes.

SNELL: We've seen it with Germany. Big win over the weekend.


SNELL: They take the momentum. You're quite right. It's confidence. It's developing the team spirit as well.

CHURCH: So true. You mentioned Ronaldo. What are his prospects and Portugal's prospects going pardon?

SNELL: You can't mention Messi without Ronaldo.


CHURCH: No, we cannot.

SNELL: Really can't. We showed you some really cool fan video there from the Argentine perspective. I do want to show some other fans out at work here. This is outside the Portuguese team hotel ahead of their match with Iran. And who's that at the window? The night before the game, Iran's fans keeping everyone up, including Cristiano Ronaldo himself, telling them, look, a man's got to sleep before a big game.

Anyway, when the game did take place, it was a superb goal from Ricardo Quaresma there putting the Portuguese ahead. They are the reigning champions of Europe. But no one saw this coming. Cristiano Ronaldo missing a penalty? Goodness me.

Iran taking one of their own and scoring. This is Karim Ansarifard making no mistake. That was in stoppage time to make it 1-1. And then this even later in injury time. A big miss. A huge miss from Mehdi Taremi. That goal, had he scored, it would have put the Portuguese out of the tournament.

As a result, they survive by the skin of their teeth. And I tell you what, they are through to the round of 16 where they'll take on Uruguay. Another great talking point from the game, you know VAR, video system referee technology?


[03:20:00] SNELL: We're hearing seeing a lot about this in the tournament. Well, Cristiano Ronaldo involved in another incident. We got to get to see this now. He was actually tangling there with an Iranian player Morteza Pouraliganji.

Now it went to VAR. They reviewed it, and the ref came back with a decision amid speculation it may have been red. Cristiano sees yellow. He still doesn't agree with even that. There was contact there. Make of the incident what you will.

Why is this significant? Well, had it been red, he would have missed the game with Uruguay later on this weekend coming up on Saturday.

CHURCH: Right.

SNELL: So he's definitely in there. He's going to be featuring in that game.


SNELL: But so many good talking points from this World Cup.

CHURCH: Absolutely. And I mean so subjective too, the issuing of those cards. I mean that can make or break a whole World Cup.

SNELL: Yes. You have the VAR technology. The ref, he studied the video, and he came out with a decision. It was yellow. Games on the slay today, Denmark can advance as well. Australia (Inaudible) against Peru. We're monitoring all the key story lines.

CHURCH: Good. Unfortunately we are out of time.

SNELL: Really? I have short time for this World Cup.

CHURCH: I know. We have to do this. Patrick Snell, thank you as always. I appreciate it. Take care.

Well, fans from Nigeria are celebrating their team's success so far in the World Cup tournament.

CNN's Amanda Davies reports from Moscow. AMANDA DAVIES, CNN SPORTS CORRESPONDENT: It took a while for Nigeria

to get going at this World Cup, but after Friday's victory over Iceland when they played to a very much different and much better tune in their opening this week, it means they have set up an afternoon blockbuster of a clash in group B against Argentina.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I believe we can do it because the boys now have the courage. The fear is out.

DAVIES: How confident are you of Nigeria against Argentina?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: As confident of Argentina is against us.


DAVIES: Pre-tournament there were much talked about concerns about the threat of racism and the reception African fans particularly would receive here in Russia. Thus far, there have been no incidents reported. So how of these fans found their experience?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And there are one or two incidents (Ph) from the Russians throughout. I will cite an example. Anytime we're in our (Inaudible) maybe in our hotel and they probably they see us inside the elevator, they don't normally join us. They allow us to go. Then they will now come in, you understand?

So those are some factors that I stood up are wrong. We are all human being. We are black. They are white. We embrace them. They should also be able to embrace us.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Before we told Russia as (Inaudible) that I can see, I can tell you 100 percent. I have been to four World Cups. I was in South Korea 2002. I was in South Africa. I was in Brazil 2014. And now I am in Russia. And I believe this has been the best experience I have had with the fans.


DAVIES: The word from the Nigerian camp is that, the team are preparing to go to war in their final game against Argentina. Group d, of course, a group where anybody can go through. And if experience here in Red Square this afternoon is anything to go by, Nigeria and their fans won't be going there quietly.

Amanda Davies, CNN, Moscow.

CHURCH: And when it comes to the World Cup, we've got our eye on everything, and they're even more coverage on our web site at

Well, opposition leader Muharrem Ince has conceded defeat to Recep Tayyip Erdogan in Turkey's presidential election. But he also has a warning saying Turkey will suffer from one-man rule and is breaking from its Democratic values.

He's referring to President Erdogan's sweeping new power after winning a new five-year term on Sunday. A constitutional referendum last year abolished the office of prime minister and curtailed the powers of parliament giving Mr. Erdogan wide-ranging executive authority.

Prince William is in Israel. He is the first British royal to make an official visit to the country. Now, this hour he is scheduled to visit the Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial in Jerusalem. He will lay a wreath in the memorial's hall of remembrance and meet with Holocaust survivors.

Later Tuesday, he will meet with Israel's prime minister and president, and then on Wednesday he's expected to hold talks with Palestinian authority President Mahmoud Abbas in the West Bank.

[03:24:56] And our Max Foster is at the Holocaust Memorial in Jerusalem. He joins us now live. Great to see you, Max. So, of course, this is an historic visit for Prince William and a test of the future king's diplomatic skills. We're already listed all the things that he's going to be doing today and on Wednesday.

And of course the problem for him would be they're saying that this is not a political visit. But he's visiting Israel. He's meeting with the president and the prime minister. He's meeting with the Palestinian authority president. This is political no matter how you view it. But it would be a very delicate operation for the future king.

MAX FOSTER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes. Well, so, let's have a look at one of the papers here, the Jerusalem Post. He is 4ont-ge news here as you might expect. But it's interesting reading the commentary from the various sides. Obviously lots of political and religious sensitivities as you've alluded to.

Here in the Jerusalem Post, on the front page, they're referring to the fact that this is the first ever official U.K. royal tour to the country in its seven year -- 70-year history. The lack of a formal visit by a British royal viewed by some as an unceremonious snub of the region's only democracy has rankled some Israelis for years, which is why he's so welcomed here.

But they're also not letting go of the fact some people here that it's taken so long for British royal to visit. At the same time, some Palestinian officials and leaders for a long time criticized the United Kingdom for the letter of 1917, which many argued paved the way for the establishment of the state of Israel.

So there are two sides here. He's trying to tread it very carefully. You've said that he's going into Ramallah tomorrow. He's going to meet Palestine authority President Mahmoud Abbas. So he's being very careful about that part of the visit as well.

So if you come to Israel, of course this is one of the spots as a senior figure you want to come and see. It's, you know, integral to the nation's culture and history. But so too is going into Ramallah, and not just popping in and popping out as many VIPs do there. He wants to spend some time there.

He's going to go to a couple of cultural activities there and fundamentally to eat there and spend time then to be seen to be spending time there, not just popping in and out. So these are the sorts of sensitivities he's getting involved with.

But certainly I've been speaking to officials, there been many, many officials, Rosemary involved in this, all saying, you know, the royals have to stay above politics. But we all know that their actions speak for their thoughts really much more than words. So we're looking at how he's moving through these events and this is a crucial one as many of the others are during this visit.

CHURCH: Yes. And learning as he goes, no doubt. An incredible experience for the future king of Britain. Max Foster, many thanks to you for bringing us that live update. I appreciate it.

Well, when political debate turns to name-calling and public shaming. Coming up, the deepening divide in American politics.

Plus rescue efforts continue for 13 members of a youth football team trapped in a partly flooded cave in Thailand. We're back in a moment.


CHURCH: A very warm welcome back to our viewers joining us from all around the world. I'm Rosemary Church. Let's update you on the main stories we're following. European markets opened up Tuesday. Look at the numbers there. The FTSE 100 up about a quarter of a percent, and the DAX added half a percent. There in Paris the markets gain a third of a percent. Now, Asian markets had extended a global selloff amid investor worries about the trade war, and it was the worst day in more than two months for tech stocks on Wall Street Monday.

Harley-Davidson, the iconic U.S. motorcycle maker says it will shift from production to Europe. The reason, avoiding the E.U.'s retaliatory tariffs on U.S. goods. The company says those tariffs would have added $2,200 on average to each motorcycle.

Donald Trump defends his administration's response to the immigration crisis, speaking before a friendly crowd at a campaign rally in South Carolina, the President says the detention facilities for undocumented immigrants are better now than under Barack Obama and that the recent uproar over immigration is good for Republicans.

There's no question the United States has been deeply divided politically for some time now, but the emotions stirred by the Trump administration's immigration policy have reached a level that bypasses debate and at times moves on to public shaming. Our Tom Foreman explains.


TOM FOREMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: This small restaurant in a small town is now on the flaming front line of the culture wars after White House press secretary, Sarah Sanders, went Saturday night and tweeted, I was told by the owner to leave, because I work for POTUS, the President of the United States. From some Democrats, jubilation. California Congresswoman, Maxine Waters.

REP MAXINE WATERS, (D), CALIFORNIA: And if you see anybody from that cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a cry, and you push back on them, and you tell them they're not welcome anymore, anywhere.

FOREMAN: From the White House, outrageous and an effort to suggest Waters is after all the President's fans. Congresswoman Maxine Waters, an extraordinarily low I.Q. person, has just called for harm to supporters of the Make America Great Again movement. Be careful what you wish for, Max. Even before Waters encouraged public harassment of Trump officials, left-wing protesters were arguing someone must stand up to an administration they view as aggressively racist.

CROWD: Shame! Shame!

FOREMAN: Homeland Security Chief, Kirstjen Nielsen, was hounded at a restaurant and her home by a progressive group enraged by the administration's family separation policy. Trump adviser, Stephen Miller was reportedly called a fascist while he dined. Robert de Niro, meanwhile, used his platform to hurl an obscenity.

ROBERT DE NIRO, ACTOR: I'm going to one thing. (BEEP) Trump.



FOREMAN: And it's not just Washington. The Florida Attorney General was heckled at a movie about Mr. Rogers.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Won't you be my neighbor?

PAM BONDI, (R) ATTORNEY GENERAL OF FLORIDA: A woman approaches me in the ticket line and starts screaming that I was personally ripping babies out of the arms of mothers.

FOREMAN: House Minority Leader, Nancy Pelosi, is trying to temper the rage, tweeting Trump's daily lack of civility has provoked responses that are predictable, but unacceptable. We must conduct ourselves in a way that achieves unity. Republicans are counterattacking anyway.

JASON CHAFFETZ, HOUSE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN: It's about a scorched earth. It's about hatred. It's about harassment. And that is who the Democrats of today are unfortunately.

FOREMAN: The owner of that restaurant said this is one of those times when people have to take uncomfortable actions to uphold their morals. It seems like a lot of people on both sides of the political spectrum agree with her. That could mean a lot more uncomfortable moments down the line. Tom Foreman, CNN, Washington.

(END VIDEO) CHURCH: Let's talk more about this with Dean Obeidallah. He is a

radio host and a CNN opinion contributor. Good to have you with us.


CHURCH: So we have seen Kirstjen Nielsen and Sarah Sanders both tossed out of restaurants and Democrat, Maxine Waters, calling on people to confront any White House officials that they see in public. Isn't this exactly what President Trump wants, this division?

[03:35:08] OBEIDALLAH: I think on some level, Donald Trump does like division. We've never had a President who has come into office and not reached out beyond his base before like this. So perhaps on some level, but let's be honest. Donald Trump has riled up the left and even the center with his policies, with the family immigration policy which separates families, to demonizing different minority groups, to banning transgender Americans from serving in the military, to a Muslim ban we're going to have a Supreme Court decision on in the next few days.

So what Trump wants and what he doesn't want doesn't really matter to those on the left where I am. We're riled up. We're very passionate, very emotional about this. And we feel like we're fighting to save the United States of America from becoming Trumpistan.

CHURCH: You think it's acceptable for Maxine Waters to call on people to heckle White House officials? Aren't you concerned that that could end up happening on the other side as well, and then we're sort of reduced to nothing.

OBEIDALLAH: Well, here's the reality. You know, Maxine Waters said very specifically cabinet officials. I have no problem myself personally if someone's going to call out a cabinet official. That is speaking truth to power literally, and that is the first amendment come to life. Our elected officials and people those in power even appointed are beholden -- or should be beholden to the people.

So if they don't want to hear from the public, well, they can dine with Donald Trump in the White House if they like, but if they're going to come out in the real world and they're supporting immoral policies, they are involved in helping Donald Trump lie to us and spread bigotry and racism, well, this is a very unique time. This is not normal time. This is not President George W. Bush time.

With Donald Trump, it's very unique. People are very animated, very passionate. It's really a fight of values, not policy. From the left, we view Donald Trump as somebody who is truly a threat to the values of this nation, the values that my Palestinian father came to this country for a, the same grandparents came to this country for a nation where you're treated equally and the same regardless of your religion, your race, your ethnicity.

Donald Trump doesn't subscribe to that, to those defending those policies or formulating those policies are going to be called to answer for it. That is life. There should be no violence. That is absolutely wrong, but calling people out, that is fine. CHURCH: And now, of course, in the midst of all this, the White House

is calling for civility. But let's just listen to how President Trump has conducted himself.


TRUMP: I'm on "Meet the press," a show now headed by sleepy eyes Chuck Todd. He is a sleepy son of a bitch, I'll tell you. Maxine Waters, a very low I.Q. individual. Do you ever see her? Little Marco. He is Lying Ted. He is no good. I'm telling you. Bad guy. He is a bad guy. He is a bad liar.


CHURCH: Just some examples there. And then just a few hours ago, President Trump tweeted this. Why is Senator Mark Warner, a Democrat, perhaps in a near drunken state, claiming he has information that only he and Bob Mueller, the leader of the 13 angry Democrats on a witch hunt, knows? Isn't this highly illegal? Is it being investigated? So, Dean, is this the problem? The President has lowed the bar to such an extent, now it is all-out war on both sides. And, again, you know, we have to ask where does that leave this country?

OBEIDALLAH: I think that we really can't equate the two sides frankly. You know, Donald Trump has literally called for violence at his rallies, saying, punch him in the face. Get that guy out of here. I'll pay for your legal bills. There are no Democrats doing that. Donald Trump has called on African-American men who take a knee in silence at NFL games to be deported. Donald Trump has done everything he can to delegitimize our media, which is a check on people in power. He is trying to delegitimize those. Donald Trump is following the authoritarian for dummies playbook.

So in this time, again, it's a unique time. It's not normal politics. It is from our point of view, we are trying to save the United States of America from Donald Trump. And I'm not being hyperbolic. I'm not being provocative. I'm telling you how I feel and how listeners to my show, my progressive channel on my radio station, they feel. So, we're going to call Trump out. We're going to call those who formulate those policies and defend those lies. That is the America we live in today. When Trump is out of office, I hope we can heal, we can return to a country we were, but in the time of Donald Trump, it's simply not possible. The stakes are just too high.

CHURCH: Dean Obeidallah, thank you so much for joining us. We appreciate it.

OBEIDALLAH: Thanks for having me on.

CHURCH: The search for a missing teenage soccer team has resumed in a cave in northern Thailand. 12 teenage boys and their coach are believed to be trapped. They have been stuck since Saturday. Now, the cave is partly flooded due to rain. Lynda Kinkade has the latest.

(BEGIN VIDEO) [03:40:08] LYNDA KINKADE, CNN ANCHOR: 12 teenage football players and

their coach are believed to be somewhere in this cave in Northern Thailand. Their bikes, backpacks and shoes were noticed at the entrance midday on Saturday. Rescuers believe the group entered the cave through a narrow 15 meter long tunnel and then rising waters from heavy rainfall blocked their path.

Park officials, local police, and 17 members of the Thai Royal Navy SEAL diving team have been deployed to assist in the search and rescue efforts. An image posted on the SEALS Facebook page said divers had to dive to a depth of five meters to access the main chamber where the missing people are believed to be located. One local official says he believes the boys are still alive, because they are athletes. And a relative of a missing boy is also confident.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (TRANSLATOR): I believe because their coach I a strong and healthy person, he can lead the youths. I believe in his strength.

KINKADE: A sign outside the cave warns of danger during the flooding season, which is just getting under way. In the past, others have gotten stuck in the cave and have survived for days. Lynda Kinkade, CNN.


CHURCH: And earlier, my colleague spoke with Butch Hendrick about cave rescues and what they involve. He is a rescue diver and President and founder of Lifeguard Systems.


BUTCH HENDRICK, PRESIDENT AND FOUNDER, LIFEGUARD SYSTEMS: Right now it's going to be difficult, because it's not a standard cave that used as diving. I understand that we have the SEAL Team in there working and looking to be doing what they can do. The difficulty is they're not trained in operations or cave diving. So what they would be doing, in my mind, is looking at maps and figuring out how they're going to go through the system slowly, and they're going to have to run lines so that they can get in and out themselves.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Butch, I'm curious of what circumstances might add to the difficulties? From reports, we understand that the rising water levels might have been part of the reason that they got trapped. What type of circumstances would further complicate the rescue effort?

HENDRICK: The most important one for the team that is going in there is the total lack of visibility. If you were to take a glass jar, put coffee in it, pick it up a try and look through it, what we're going to discover is I can't see anything. They're going to be doing the majority of this project by feel. They're not able to look at compasses.

They're not able to get reasonable landmarks visually. Everything is going to have to be done by feel and reported again on the way out. As they start to do that, to be able to get from point a to point b to point c and understand they've covered the area is going to take a fair amount of time. They're looking at hoping that these young children, these young people, are not on the bottom, but found themselves a space where they could be up and be able to breathe.

I'd be looking at possibly putting a harness on each boy. Establish a harness so I could have contact with them and we can't lose them and run a line to ourselves so that, again, we can maintain contact continuously and still maneuver.


CHURCH: Again, that was rescue diver Butch Hendrick on the search and rescue happening right now in Thailand.

A unique perspective on life inside North Korea. A scholar who has spent years in Pyongyang says much has changed there, but many struggles remain. We'll have that for you in just a moment.


CHURCH: On the 68th anniversary of the Korean War, preparations were under way to transfer the remains of at least some U.S. troops. One of the commitments North Korean leader Kim Jong-un made during the summit with President Trump was to return the remains of up to 200 U.S. service members who died in the war. And our Paula Hancocks joins us now from Seoul, South Korea, with more on this. So, Paula, we don't know when these remains will be handed over to U.S. officials, but when that does eventually happen, what is the procedure that they need to follow?

PAULA HANCOCKS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Rosemary, the U.S. is waiting at this point for the North Koreans to make the move and to take these remains to the DMZ between North and South Korea. They already have 100 wooden caskets up at the area waiting for this. What we've seen in previous times, this isn't the first time that remains have been passed from North Korea to the Americans. It will then be taken to an air base somewhere in South Korea, a U.S. air base, and then will be taken on to Hawaii most likely.

There is a forensics analysis laboratory in Hawaii, because obviously it was 68 years ago that the Korean War started. So it's going to be a very tricky job for this laboratory to try and identify these remains. Now, we're hearing from the U.S. side as well that they're likely not just going to be U.S. service members who were fighting in this war. There were a number of countries, dozens of countries that were part of the United Nations command that were fighting also Chinese and North Korean soldiers.

So that is the process that they'll be doing at this point, but of course time-wise, they simply don't know when it could start. They're in a holding pattern at this point, because it's up to the North Koreans to decide when they hand these remains over. Rosemary?

CHURCH: And Paula, meantime, the U.S. appears to be softening its stance on any time line for North Korea to abandon its nuclear program. And we get that from Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo. Why are we hearing something very different to what we heard yesterday? What's changed here?

HANCOCKS: Well, it is interesting. We heard from the Secretary of State telling CNN that he is not going to give a deadline. There is no deadline for the denuclearization of North Korea. It is very different to what we've heard in the past, even from the Secretary of State himself. He has said previously that he hoped that this would be completed, the entire process would be completed by 2020, by the end of the U.S. President Donald Trump's term as President.

So, what we're also hearing just a day ago, 24 hours ago, was a senior defense official saying that they are soon going to give the North Koreans what they called specific asks and specific time line for how they see the implementation of denuclearization to go ahead. So it's certainly a surprise that just one day later you hear the Secretary of State saying the exact opposite of that. Potentially he is talking about whether there would be a public deadline. Maybe that wouldn't be made public, but certainly there would be an expectation that there has to be some kind of deadline for North Korea to give up their weapons.

CHURCH: Yes. Very strange change there. Paula Hancocks joining us live from Seoul in South Korea where it's nearly 5:00 p.m. Many thanks.

[03:50:00] Kim Jong-un's recent moves on the international stage indicate an openness on behalf of the North Korean regime. And our next guest says there are changes happening within the country as well. Katharina Zellweger, is the Director of Kor Aid and a visiting fellow at Stanford University. Great to have you with us.


CHURCH: And it's worth noting that you have spent five years living in Pyongyang, and this next trip will be your 70th trip there. So I did want to just get that out there. You've had the opportunity because of that to really watch these changes take place. And I wanted to ask you overall what day-to-day life is like for the average North Korean citizen and how it has changed over the past few years.

ZELLWEGER: Well, there is certainly a big difference between now and my first visit in 1995, but life for the ordinary North Korean is still tough. The situation in Pyongyang is better, but in the countryside, people still have to struggle to make ends meet.

CHURCH: And what about -- I did want to ask you that about the food. Access to food and to health care services. What's that like, and what's the general quality of life like for the average citizen?

ZELLWEGER: Over all, the food situation has improved. It is no longer the famine we had in the mid-90s up to 2000 or 2002, but the diet is not a balance diet. It's very strong on carbohydrates, and people lack fats, proteins, and micronutrients, but still at least it's no longer famine, and there are nowadays also many more greenhouses, so they get more vegetables.

CHURCH: And what about the health services? What's available to them if they get sick?

ZELLWEGER: Well, health services is one area where there is a need for a lot of improvement, and I hope that in future the international community will focus more on health services across the whole country.

CHURCH: And I also wanted to ask you about the level of education. What does that tend to be for the average citizen, and how much of an understanding might they have of life outside their country?

ZELLWEGER: What is very positive is that in all those years, I have never met a North Korean who is illiterate. All children go to school, boys and girls a like and that makes me optimistic that things can move pretty fast when we have a wider opening.

CHURCH: And, of course, the fascination with North Korea now is due to this new relationship we're seeing form between President Trump and Kim Jong-un. They had their summit in Singapore and now of course there's this expectation that Kim Jong-un will show that he is committed to denuclearize the country. How do you think that will go?

ZELLWEGER: I would say it's not something that can happen overnight. It will be a process, a step-by-step approach, but let's hope it will happen, because there are also expectations in terms of sanction relief, of more economic activities, of a wider opening and also more links with the international community.

CHURCH: And what's your feeling? Do you think -- I mean you understand the mindset of the North Korean and presumably have a good understanding of how Kim Jong-un may think in these sorts of situations. Do you see this going well?

ZELLWEGER: It's very hard to predict, but I think we need to see that things are not always moving at a very fast pace. So we have to go in tune with the pace of the North Korean side too.

CHURCH: Indeed. Katharina Zellweger, thank you so much for joining us. We appreciate it.

ZELLWEGER: Thank you.

CHURCH: And when we come back, footballers weren't the only ones fast on their feet during a match in Camber, Australia. Look at this. Meet the real live socceroo. Back with that in a moment.


CHURCH: Look at this, everyone. A kangaroo invaded a football match in Australia not once, but twice. The roo hung out by the goal as officials kicked balls at him, trying to drive him away, but no luck there. Turns out playing goalie is hard work. So the roo decided to lie down for a little bit of a rest in between there. Eventually one of the coaches jumped into a truck, drove onto the pitch, chasing the kangaroo goalie away. Final score, truck one, Socceroo, none.

Now, Chicago police have about 10 million reasons to say good dog. This is Jada, the department's drug-sniffing dog. She managed to snuffle out $10 million worth of marijuana. And you're looking at about 680 kilograms of pot. Late last week, Jada's partners pulled over a driver they suspected of drug trafficking between California and Chicago, and that is when the canine colleague became the hero of the hour. Well done.

And thanks so much for your company. I'm Rosemary Church. Remember to connect with me anytime on Twitter. The news continues with Hannah Vaughan Jones in London. You're watching CNN. Have a great day.