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New Video Shows Rescued Boys in Hospital Beds; Russian Company Had Access to Facebook User Data Through Apps; First Lady Melania Trump Attends Events with Spouses of World Leaders as Trump Slams Allies; Trump, Macron Meet on Sidelines of NATO Summit. Aired 10:30- 11a ET
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[10:30:00] POPPY HARLOW, CNN ANCHOR: New this morning, video just released showing the rescue operation of those 12 and their soccer coach from that flooded cave in Thailand. You can see some of the boys here being pulled out on these stretchers from the cave, being examined by medical professionals.
And also new this morning, the first images of these boys. Look at them there in the hospital there, some with their hands up, looking like they're in fairly good condition. It is remarkable.
Let's bring in our Dr. Sanjay Gupta, our chief medical correspondent, for more. And they're doing -- Matt Rivers explained to me they're doing this, you know, which has a positive meaning, saying I'm OK, I'm OK, in Thailand.
DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes. They look pretty amazing. I mean, you can see them there. They're -- you know, when you're looking at this from a medical standpoint, you're seeing if there's any machines around to assist with breathing, certain medications that they may be receiving. What I see is they obviously have the masks on, which their immune systems have probably been a little weakened by what they've gone through over the last couple of weeks.
They are -- you know, we saw a couple of the boys standing intermittently, on their phones. So, you know, by all accounts, Poppy, they look pretty good.
GUPTA: We do know from the hospital briefing that took place last night that, on average, they lost about four pounds. There is still concerns about lung infection in at least a couple of the boys. But overall, a very, very favorable report from them.
HARLOW: You know, we also -- we have some new video in of their parents, Sanjay. I think you've seen it by the -- like their parents in these yellow shirts waving to their kids because they can't hug them yet. And you can hear faintly in this video they are singing "I love you," and then the kids are saying back, "I'm good." What are the outstanding concerns, though, Sanjay, still, especially
given the low oxygen levels that they faces?
GUPTA: Yes. Well, the low oxygen levels at the time, just to describe that a little bit, I mean, that seemed to be one of the issues that really accelerated this timetable. Typically the air that we're breathing is 21 percent oxygen. As you know, Poppy, it had dropped to 15 percent oxygen in that cave. And they worried if it dropped any further the boys would start to not -- you know, may lose consciousness or not be fully in charge of their faculties. So that's part of what accelerated the rescue process.
That is no longer an issue. You know, they've obviously gotten oxygen, they were given oxygen even at the time of the rescue. And now obviously in the hospital they seem like they're doing well. These infections and the concern about infections still out there. It can take a few days sometimes for people to actually exhibit signs of the infection which is part of the reason they keep them in the hospital.
GUPTA: Can take up to a week or so for them to exhibit those signs. They want to keep an eye on that. And also just because their immune systems are compromised, they don't want other people coming in, family members, who are obviously well intentioned.
GUPTA: And making the boys sick. So those are the big physical issues I would say psychologically, emotionally. Otherwise, those are going to be issues that, you know, they say they're going to be addressing. Psychologists are going to be visiting the boys in the hospital over the next couple of days.
HARLOW: Yes. And those are long-term impacts of this certainly on them.
Sanjay, thank you for being here. Wonderful to see this video this morning.
GUPTA: Good to report this.
HARLOW: Yes. All right Ahead for us, more privacy problems for Facebook after CNN investigation finds a Russian company may still be gathering data on users and allowed to do so by Facebook after that collection was supposed to stop.
[10:35:07] Details ahead.
HARLOW: New this morning, a Russian company with links to the Kremlin was among the firms that Facebook actually apparently granted an extension to to collect data on users, users that didn't know they were doing that. This was apparently after a policy change that was supposed to stop this kind of data collection.
Our Senior Investigative Correspondent, Drew Griffin broke this story. He's with me now. What happened and what's Facebook saying about it?
DREW GRIFFIN, CNN SENIOR INVESTIGATIVE CORRESPONDENT: Well, what we're learning, Poppy, is that this Russian company as you said that has links to the Kremlin, it could have been harvesting Facebook user data from Americans. That's troubling enough. But even after Facebook learned of that possibility, Facebook gave Mail.Ru a two-week extension to wind down two of these apps.
This is all coming out now as Facebook continues to investigate just how and who misused Facebook user data.
[10:40:06] MARK ZUCKERBERG, CEO, FACEBOOK: Yes, there was abuse. And that's why in 2014 we took the step of fundamentally changing how the platform works.
GRIFFIN (voice-over): When Mark Zuckerberg told a congressional committee his social network shut down apps that gathered users' personal information, he didn't mention this -- a list of 61 app developers Facebook now says were given an extension, the ability to keep gathering data from Facebook users for up to an additional six months. Among them, the Russian Internet giant Mail.Ru, which ran hundreds of apps on Facebook.
What does that mean to you?
Michael Carpenter is the former deputy assistant secretary of defense covering Russia.
MICHAEL CARPENTER, FORMER U.S. DEPUTY ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF DEFENSE: What this means is that all data that Facebook users shared through this agreement with Mail.Ru is now available to the Russian intelligence services, all of it. And that is incredibly troubling.
GRIFFIN: The Facebook data privacy breach that gave companies the ability to harvest, use and target your personal Facebook information and your friends included a Russian Internet firm with links to Vladimir Putin and the Kremlin. That means if you were on Facebook before 2015, your name, gender, birth date, location photos and page likes were all available to the companies that ran the apps.
Mail.Ru is controlled by a USM Holdings, a company founded by Russian billionaire Alisher Usmanov that the U.S. Treasury Department lists as having ties to the Kremlin.
Mail.Ru had the ability to use Facebook to harvest U.S. citizens' data through apps and games, but the company has denied doing that. In a statement to CNN, the Russian company said only about 5 percent of its users are in the U.S. and that "We have not collected data on any Facebook users via Facebook apps, other than for the purposes of in- game mechanics." Facebook told CNN it's still investigating what Mail.Ru did with its
Facebook gaps and said in a statement, "Mail.Ru, one of the top five largest Internet companies in the world, has built apps for the Facebook platform and for other major platforms, including IOS and Android, for years. We have found no indication of misuse with Mail.Ru."
CARPENTER: It doesn't matter what the original intent was from the company, which may well benign. But once that data is in their possession, it's then under the purview of the Russian intelligence services.
GRIFFIN: Poppy, as we've said Facebook insists there is no evidence it found that this Russian company misused its data. But when we asked how Facebook could possibly know that, the company spokesperson cited confidentiality agreements, and then ended the interview. Security officials have told CNN if a Russian Internet company did have data on its users that most likely the Russian secret service would have had access.
Already one senator demanding Facebook get to the bottom of this quickly -- Poppy.
HARLOW: For good reason. Drew Griffin, thank you for that reporting.
Ahead, First Lady Melania Trump back on the world stage. She is at the NATO summit alongside her husband, the president. More on that next.
[10:47:46] HARLOW: Welcome back. I'm Poppy Harlow in New York. First Lady Melania Trump is back on the world stage, alongside her husband there at the NATO summit, making it maybe a little bit awkward for her, though. She's attending these events with spouses of world leaders, as her husband takes aim at those world leaders, Angela Merkel, for example, this morning.
Here with me to discuss, CNN Contributor and Author of "First Women," Kate Andersen Brower.
Nice to have you here. Look, Melania Trump, accomplished, a woman who speaks five languages, and who is known to be, you know, very good one-on-one in these social settings. Take, you know, the Vatican, for example. But let's talk about what she -- how she dances this dance today.
KATE ANDERSEN BROWER, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: Well, I was just in touch with her spokesperson, Stephanie Grisham, who said that, you know, she enjoys chatting with these spouses. She's gotten to know many of them over the past -- more than a year of her husband's presidency. So I mean, for instance, Emmanuel Macron's wife, she's known and gotten to know quite well.
BROWER: So you can see that there is a friendship there. But -- and as you said, like Jackie Kennedy and other first ladies before her, she speaks several languages so she can use that to her advantage. But I don't think we've seen something quite as frosty as this relationship with NATO now and I'm not sure how much she can do and how involved she gets. My sense is she's not involved at all in the politics of that. She's really just there to represent the U.S.
HARLOW: When she goes there, what is it that she hopes to accomplish? I know that this spokeswoman has said one of the events that she'll be holding I believe in the U.K., as the president meets with Theresa May, is, you know, part of her "Be Best" initiative. But what do they hope that the first lady walks away with here?
BROWER: Well, I really think it's a good will gesture. It's something that certainly would have looked strange if she wasn't part of this trip. And I think that the "Be Best" campaign is going to be a very small component of it. It is interesting because Michelle Obama, Laura Bush, and other first ladies have traveled alone to promote their initiatives like the Let's Go learning initiative that Michelle Obama promoted.
They also brought their families often, Malia and Sasha Obama would travel with the first lady. So I was interested to know --
BROWER: -- that Barron Trump and her parents are not on this trip. I'm not sure what that says about her approach to it.
[10:50:06] HARLOW: Right. But, you know, what's interesting is that she does her homework, right? Before she goes on any of these trips. Her spokeswoman has said she learned all she can about the customs and traditions of the host country before she goes.
Let's remember the last few trips she has taken have been completely on her own. I think the last time you were with me and was talking about her, she decided to go to the border by herself in the middle of this immigration crisis and the bad optics for her husband, for the president. This is her traveling alongside him now, back on the world stage.
BROWER: Exactly, in a very traditional role of the first ladies play, those kind of a silent political partner to their husbands. I think it is really interesting that she did take that trip and kind of forced the president and other first ladies came out, as you remember, after she went down to the border.
BROWER: It was a huge moment in that discussion and so it showed that she does clearly have a mind of her own on this issue. She talks so much about being a mother. It was almost something that would be hard for her to overlook. But I think she is -- you know, she's somebody who has formed relationships with these other first ladies. She cares a lot about fashion. You see her in the Christian Louboutin heels. And a lot of this is just the optics of it. It is teas, it is these events today outside of Brussels.
HARLOW: Very quickly before we're waiting for this video of the president and French President Emmanuel Macron, but in Russia, in terms of the Russia, you know, president's meeting on Monday, last year at the G20 she sat next to Vladimir Putin. Do we know anything about what may be ahead for Monday?
BROWER: I don't. It would be fascinating question to know if she's going to be there. We also know that she tried to help end a meeting that lasted really long between Trump and Putin, and they sent her in to kind of pull him out of the meeting that was over two hours long, I think so --
HARLOW: Did it work?
BROWER: No, it didn't. It didn't work. So she can be helpful in those ways, even though it wasn't successful that time. We'll have to see what happens during this next meeting.
HARLOW: But it is interesting, she's back on the world stage and she's having these events. And then will head to Russia. We'll see what happens.
Kate Andersen Brower, we appreciate it very much.
And again we are waiting to hear a little bit of the meeting between President Trump and French President Emmanuel Macron. Here it is.
DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Thank you very much. Great honor to be with a great friend of mine, Emmanuel. He's doing a perfect job being president of France. He's changing a lot of things around. And I guess that had to happen. I think it's going to be very successful. We have a tremendous relationship. We're discussing trade, we're discussing NATO, we're discussing a lot of different things and hopefully in the end it will all work out. And so it's great to be with you.
EMMANUEL MACRON, PRESIDENT, FRANCE: (Speaking in foreign language)
TRUMP: It sounded beautiful. I have no idea what he said. It sounded great.
MACRON: I would say exactly the same. But in French. And the fact that -- no. I just reminded everybody that almost one year ago, you were present with your wife in Paris for Bastille Day.
MACRON: The importance of July. And we've worked together for 12 months now.
MACRON: And did some great decisions. TRUMP: We've made some great decisions.
MACRON: And our country will work together.
TRUMP: That's right. Thank you very much. Thanks.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: President Macron, do you agree that Angela Merkel is appealing to the Russians?
TRUMP: I'm glad they asked you that.
TRUMP: Thank you. Thank you very much.
MACRON: No. I think --
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: No?
HARLOW: All right. Let me bring in Kaitlan Collins, our White House reporter.
Kaitlan, let's take you through a few things here. First of all, the president did not answer that question from the journalist who said -- essentially asking him about the comments he made about Germany being beholden to Russia this morning. And he sort of danced around. Didn't sound like we got an answer there from the president.
[10:55:03] KAITLAN COLLINS, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: So that question was actually posed to the French president, Emmanuel Macron, there at the end by a reporter from the United States. She asked if he agrees that Merkel is beholden to Russia. As you saw the President Trump lash out at that -- I mean, excuse me, President Trump lashed out at that breakfast this morning saying that -- he was complaining about the Germans not spending enough on GDP, excuse me, high enough percentage of their GDP on defense spending saying that they are a very wealthy country, they could easily do so by tomorrow.
And then he was saying that they are held totally captive by Russia because of that gas pipeline going from Germany to Russia. You saw there Macron was asked if he agrees with the president on that sentiment, that they are beholden. President Trump said he was glad that the reporters were asking him that question. There was a little bit of laughter in the room. But then you heard Macron weighed in and he said, no, he did not agree with the president that Germany, and that Merkel, the chancellor specifically, are beholden to Russia.
So a little disagreement there at the end. But a much chummier relationship between the two of them was on display there at the beginning of that one-on-one with President Trump and President Macron. Then we saw during that one-on-one with Merkel and the president earlier. Even though he has complains about both of them not doing enough on defense spending, you can see how that plays into each of their different relationships with the president there -- Poppy.
HARLOW: Right. I think that's really -- and I'm glad you were there so you can clarify the question was to Macron and he actually answered, no, he doesn't agree with President Trump. I find it fascinating, Kaitlan, that we can see this president so chummy with another president who disagrees with him on the public stage and calls him out at times. It's so different than his relationship publicly with Chancellor Angela Merkel.
COLLINS: It's almost completely different. You notice that whenever they come to visit the White House, the president has complained privately about Merkel. One of the things that some of his aides and people close to the president have told me before is that he doesn't like that Merkel has such a close relationship with President Barack Obama. That is something that irks him clearly. It changes the way that he approaches her. You can see that in their meetings.
COLLINS: But he does complain privately about her at times saying that she doesn't have a sense of humor. You can really see the way he feels about her, compared to the way he feels about Macron. Seeing the two of them sit side by side in those meetings back-to-back, a much different approach from the president.
COLLINS: Even though he has a lot of the same problems with both of them.
HARLOW: Right. You certainly can.
Kaitlan Collins, thank you for reporting for us all morning there from NATO headquarters in Brussels.
And thank you all for joining me today. I'm Poppy Harlow in New York. "AT THIS HOUR" with Kate Bolduan starts next.