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FBI Agent Defies GOP Lawmakers Won't Answer Questions. Aired 11-11:30a ET

Aired July 12, 2018 - 11:00   ET

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REPRESENTATIVE JERROLD NADLER (D), RANKING MEMBER, JUDICIARY COMMITTEE: Therefore, the chairman -- the question being directed at the witness is out of order. The witness' declination to answer it is against the instructions of the FBI pursuant to FBI policy, which is necessary, so as not to allow us to subvert an ongoing criminal investigation. He is right and should not answer the question.

REPRESENTATIVE BOB GOODLATTE (R), CHAIRMAN, JUDICIARY COMMITTEE: The gentleman has not stated a valid point of order. Nonetheless, the United States Supreme Court has recognized that it is unquestionably the duty of all citizens to cooperate with the Congress in its efforts to obtain the facts need for intelligent legislative action. It is their unremitting obligation to respect the dignity of the Congress and its committees and to testify fully with respect to matters within the province of proper investigation.

NADLER: Mr. Chairman? I will -- Mr. Chairman, you know -- or we all know that if we were to ask a question of a witness about a military secret, if we were to ask him, how does the H-bomb work, he could not answer that question.

GOODLATTE: The gentleman has not stated -- that is a classification issue, not an issue of whether or not this is a valid question for which --

NADLER: I appeal the ruling of the chair.

GOODLATTE: He's ruled it's not a point of order. That is not a ruling. Mr. Strzok --

NADLER: Mr. Chairman, I insist on my point of order.

GOODLATTE: Mr. Strzok.

NADLER: And I insist on appealing the ruling of the chair.

GOODLATTE: Mr. Strzok, knowing the advice --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Point of order, Mr. Chairman. I believe there is a point of order that's been raised, and you have ruled, we have a right now to answer Mr. Nadler's --

GOODLATTE: It is not a valid point of order. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You can't just repress it, Mr. Chairman --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Point of order, Mr. Chairman.

GOODLATTE: Mr. Strzok.

NADLER: Mr. Chairman, I appeal the ruling of the chair that you have just made on whether the --

GOODLATTE: You have not stated a valid point of order.

NADLER: And that is your ruling and I appeal it.

GOODLATTE: That is not an appealable --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Point of order, yes, it is, Mr. Chairman. Appealing the ruling of the chair is exactly what he's requesting. He's appealing it. That requires a vote. To either sustain it or overrule it.

GOODLATTE: The gentleman from New York has not cited a rule of the House that is being violated. Therefore, it is not a point of order.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's your ruling.

GOODLATTE: That is the ruling of the chair.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Chairman? Mr. Chairman, is it not appropriate to also interject the attorney-client privilege, which cannot be overridden, and is a rule of the House to the extent --

GOODLATTE: The gentlewoman will suspend.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: -- and that is what this witness is asserting. Attorney-client privilege, and he has been advised not to answer the question.

GOODLATTE: The gentlewoman will suspend. The gentleman has not raised the attorney-client privilege. He has said that he has been instructed by the FBI not to answer the question. Now --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: By lawyers.

GOODLATTE: He knows -- he knows the advice I have just given him. If he would like, I'll restate it. But knowing this, will you answer the committee's question as directed, or do you refuse to answer the committee's question?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Point of parliamentary inquiry, Mr. Chairman. Point of parliamentary inquiry, Mr. Chairman.

GOODLATTE: The gentleman from South Carolina has the time, a parliamentary inquiry is not in order during the gentleman's time. The chair is instructing the witness to answer the question, and the question to you is --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Chairman --

GOODLATTE: -- will you answer the committee's question as directed, or do you refuse to answer the committee's question?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Chairman, I move to adjourn.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Second.

GOODLATTE: You're not recognized for that purpose.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Chairman, I think you have no choice but to recognize such a motion.

GOODLATTE: I do not have --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you just going to make up rules as we go along?

GOODLATTE: The motion is not in order during the time controlled by the gentleman from South Carolina.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I appeal that ruling of the chair.

GOODLATTE: Mr. Strzok, will you answer --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I appeal your ruling of the chair that my motion to adjourn is not in order.

GOODLATTE: The gentleman is not in order.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That may be, but I appeal your ruling.

GOODLATTE: The gentleman is not recognized. Knowing this, will you answer the committee's question as directed, or do you refuse to answer the committee's question?

PETER STRZOK, FBI AGENT WHO SENT ANTI-TRUMP TEXTS: Mr. Chairman, as you know, counsel for the FBI has directed me not to answer questions about the ongoing investigation. As you also know, counsel for the FBI is sitting here behind me. May I consult with them?

[11:05:07] GOODLATTE: You may consult with your own counsel.

STRZOK: But I may not consult with the FBI's counsel?

GOODLATTE: Only with your own counsel.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Chairman, there's no basis for that. He can consult with the FBI counsel. He's an FBI employee.

GOODLATTE: The gentleman is not recognized.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And the chairman is not being proper.

GOODLATTE: The chairman is being proper.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The witness can't be directed not to confer with his attorney.

GOODLATTE: The FBI is not his attorney. His attorney is seated behind him.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He's an employee of the FBI.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: His attorney may consult with the FBI attorney?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Isn't the privilege that of the FBI, and shouldn't the FBI counsel be solicited on that point?

STRZOK: Mr. Chairman, my counsel has reiterated that counsel for the FBI has directed that I may not answer that question.

GOODLATTE: Mr. Strzok, in a moment we will continue with the hearing, but based on your refusal to answer the question at the conclusion of the day we will be recessing the hearing, and you will be subject to recall to allow the committee to consider proceeding with a contempt citation.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Point of order, Mr. Chairman. Will the committee also consider contempt for Mr. Bannon, who refused to answer Mr. Gowdy's questions when he was actually under subpoena?

GOODLATTE: That is not a proper point of order in this --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Parliamentary inquiry.

GOODLATTE: The time is controlled by the gentleman from --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Parliamentary inquiry.

GOODLATTE: A parliamentary inquiry is not in order. The gentleman from South Carolina controls the time.

REPRESENTATIVE TREY GOWDY (R), SOUTH CAROLINA: Agent Strzok, just so the record is clear, because there's been a little while, I didn't ask you the content of those interviews. I didn't ask you the names of who you interviewed.

I asked you whether or not you interviewed anyone from July the 31st until august the 8th. And I find it interesting that the FBI will tell us no interviews were conducted before July 31st. That apparently doesn't impact an ongoing probe.

But between July 31st and August 8th, it does. Here's the good news. I already know the answer to it. I went and looked at the file. The first interview that I could find is on August the 11th of 2016, which is 11 days after it began.

Which makes me wonder, on August the 6th -- so you hadn't interviewed anyone. You're investigating this alleged Russian collusion with the Trump campaign. You're the lead investigator. You originated the investigation. You're the point of contact.

You drafted the document. And here you are, before you've interviewed a single solitary witness saying "f" Trump. Then that same day, your colleague, Lisa Page, wrote, maybe you're meant to protect the country from that menace.

And you responded, I can protect the country at many levels. We're not even a week into an investigation that you originated, approved, or the contact for.

You hadn't interviewed a single solitary soul until August the 11th, and you're already promising to protect the country from that menace, Donald Trump.

And then on August the 8, you still hadn't interviewed anyone. You're eight days into your Russian collusion with the Trump campaign investigation, and you've got another text from your colleague, Lisa Page.

Trump's not ever going to become president, right? Right? And you replied, "No. No, he's not. We'll stop it." By the time you promised to stop him from becoming president on August the 8th, how many interviews had you conducted?

STRZOK: Mr. Gowdy, two answers to that. One, with regard to how many interviews had or had not been conducted, I have been directed by counsel for the FBI not to answer that question. Second, sir, I think it's important to take those texts in the context of how they were written and what they meant.

GOWDY: And someone may ask you that question, Agent Strzok, but I didn't. I asked you, how many people you interviewed before you wrote it. If you want to get into context, let one of my other colleagues do that with you. Here's what I want to know. Who is the "he" in "he's not"?

STRZOK: "He" is then Candidate Trump.

GOWDY: So, the question of becoming president, what's the "it"?

STRZOK: Chairman Gowdy, that text needs to be taken in the context --

GOWDY: I'm asking -- look, if you want to have a debate over a two- letter word, we're going to have to do that some other time. What and who did you mean by "it"?

STRZOK: Mr. Gowdy, as I've stated, that text was written late at night in shorthand --

[11:10:05] GOWDY: I don't care when it was written. I don't care whether it was longhand, cursive. I don't care about any of that. I want to know what "it" meant, Agent Strzok?

STRZOK: It would be his candidacy for the presidency. My sense --

GOWDY: It's not that tough.

STRZOK: -- would not vote him into office. GOWDY: Right. We hadn't gotten to the will yet. Your testimony is --

STRZOK: I'm trying to explain the text.

GOWDY: The will is the American people, is that right? That's your testimony. The we'll stop it. You were speaking on behalf of the American people, is that correct?

STRZOK: Mr. Gowdy, what my testimony is and what I said during extensive asking of this question during my prior interview is, I don't recall writing that text.

GOWDY: But you deny writing the text.

STRZOK: What I can tell you is, that text, in no way suggested that I or the FBI would take any action to influence the candidacy --

GOWDY: Agent Strzok, that is a fantastic answer to a question nobody asked.

STRZOK: Mr. Gowdy, you asked --

GOWDY: My question to you is --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Chairman, is the witness going to be allowed to answer the question posed?

GOODLATTE: The gentleman will suspend. After the conclusion of Mr. Gowdy's question, if there is a question he has not had the opportunity to answer, he will be given additional time to do that. The witness will.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We look forward to that.

GOODLATTE: He will not be interrupted by others.

GOWDY: So your testimony --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: His time is expired, Mr. Chairman -- by two-and-a- half minutes.

GOWDY: It's going to be tough for me to get through it if I keep getting interrupted. Your testimony a couple weeks ago was the "we" meant the American people, which I found confusing. Because on November the 7th, which is the day before the election, you said this.

You were concerned that those same American people that you were speaking on behalf of might actually elect Donald Trump president. So, you said, "omg, this is f'ing terrifying." I think we know what f'ing means. I'm pretty sure we have omg down, too.

What was terrifying about those same American people you trusted to stop him in August not stopping him in November? What was so terrifying about that, Agent Strzok?

STRZOK: Mr. Gowdy, I do not have a copy of the transcript. We have not been provided that transcript.

GOWDY: It's your text. It's not the transcript. It's your text.

STRZOK: Mr. Gowdy, what I would say in that is, one, I was not referring to the American electorate at all. The American electorate I respect in their decisions and their right to vote is absolutely a cornerstone of our democracy.

So, in no time did I insult or call into question the judgment or the power of the American electorate. What I was expressing in that text is my personal belief and my personal sense of how I saw and what I believed in the potential upcoming administration.

GOWDY: See, that's what I find so confounding because in August, you blamed the we on the American people. That the American people would stop it because you don't want it to be you and Lisa Page --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Chairman, point of order. Are we not given five minutes to answer questions? We have indulged this harassment nine minutes.

GOODLATTE: The chair --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The oversight committee --

GOODLATTE: The gentlewoman will suspend. The chair, in agreement with the ranking members of both committees agreed that there would be liberality in the questioning by the chairman and the ranking members of each committee. The gentleman will continue.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And Mr. Chairman, we expect that liberality on every one of our questionings.

GOWDY: What I find confounding, Agent Strzok, is you were counting on the American people. That was the "we" you referenced in August when you said we'll stop it. But the American people didn't stop it. He actually won.

So, then we go to March of 2017, and you're already talking longingly about him resigning. And then we go to the day that Special Counsel Mueller -- well, before we go to that, that's march of 2017. March of 2016, you wrote, God, Hillary should win 100 million to 0. And I'm assuming Hillary would be former secretary of state, Hillary Clinton?

STRZOK: That's correct.

GOWDY: All right. In March of 2016, weren't you investigating her for potential mishandling of classified information?

STRZOK: We were.

GOWDY: Had you interviewed her yet?

STRZOK: No.

GOWDY: Had you interviewed more than 30 other witnesses that wound up being interviewed?

STRZOK: I would have to check the case file, but I'll take your representation.

GOWDY: Well, if she had said something incriminating in your interview that took place months later of her, would she have won 100 million to 0 then?

STRZOK: Likely not, no.

GOWDY: Well, then, why wouldn't you wait until the investigation was over before you have her, the nominee, and winning a general election against an opponent that hadn't even been named yet, 100 million to 0, Agent Strzok? That's how bad she should win?

STRZOK: Mr. Gowdy, those personal expressions of my observing the political process of the presidential primaries had no bearing on my actions of any investigation to include the investigation of Secretary Clinton or anybody else.

[11:15:09] GOWDY: You couldn't think of a single person that would not vote for Hillary Clinton for president, 100 million to 0, Agent Strzok?

STRZOK: Sir, that was clearly hyperbole which I --

GOWDY: Let's say it was hyperbole. Let's divide it by ten. How about we say it was hyperbolic and divide it by 10. A hundred million divided by 10, I'm pretty sure it's 10 million. Zero divided by ten is still zero. You couldn't think of a single solitary person that was going to vote for her for president before you interviewed her and while you were supposed to be investigating her.

STRZOK: Congressman, clearly that's not the truth. Clearly, I could envision millions of Americans who are likely and did vote for then Candidate Trump.

GOWDY: Well, you wrote it.

STRZOK: My point, sir.

GOWDY: Did you write it? Did you write that text?

STRZOK: I did write that, sir.

STRZOK: Were you under duress?

STRZOK: (Inaudible) political expression engaging in hyperbole.

GOWDY: Were you under duress?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Asked and answered over and over again.

GOODLATTE: The gentlewoman will suspend. The gentleman from South Carolina controls the time. GOWDY: All right. We're going to go to May 17th, 2017. Bob Mueller is appointed. Your friend, Jim Comey has been fired. He's already leaked the memos to his law professor friend, and Mueller is special counsel. Do you remember how long it took for you to start talking about impeachment after Bob Mueller was appointed?

STRZOK: I don't, sir.

GOWDY: One day. One day and you were talking about impeachment. And for anyone who may have missed it, the day after his appointment, Agent Strzok, you did it again five days later. Now, how many interviews had you done as part of the special counsel team within the first five days of his appointment?

STRZOK: Sir, again, same answer as before. I can't get into details.

GOWDY: Right, and the answer is also the same. It's zero. No interviews have been done.

STRZOK: I don't know if that's true or not.

GOWDY: No interviews had been done by August the 8th, when you're talking about stopping him and how terrifying it would be for him to win, and how you can protect the country.

And no interviews had been done before you're talking about impeachment of the president. No wonder Bob Mueller kicked you off of the investigation, Agent Strzok.

My question is, if you were kicked off when he read the text, shouldn't you have been kicked off when you wrote them?

STRZOK: Not at all.

GOWDY: Well, it wasn't the discovery of your texts, Mr. Strzok. It was the existence of your bias that got you kicked off.

STRZOK: No, Mr. Gowdy, it wasn't. I do not have bias. My personal opinions in no way --

GOWDY: Well, then, why did you get kicked off?

STRZOK: Mr. Gowdy, my understanding of why I was kicked off was that based on understanding of those texts and the perception that they might create is the thing that --

GOWDY: Hang on a second, Agent Strzok. Hang on a second. You're saying it was the perception the 13 Democrats on the special counsel probe, including one who went to what he hoped was a victory party. That's a perception problem, too. They weren't kicked off. You were. Why were you kicked off?

STRZOK: Mr. Gowdy, I cannot speak to Special Counsel Mueller --

GOWDY: How long did you talk to him when he let you go?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let the witness will answer the question.

GOODLATTE: The witness will be afforded an opportunity to answer the question. If there is a question he wants to answer after Mr. Gowdy's time.

STRZOK: My recollection was a short meeting, somewhere between 15 to 30 minutes, probably around 15 minutes.

GOWDY: And your testimony is, Bob Mueller did not kick you off, because of the content of your text. He kicked you off because of some appearance that he was worried about.

STRZOK: My testimony, what you asked and what I responded to, was that he kicked me off because of my bias. I am stating to you, it is not my understanding that he kicked me off because of any bias. That it was done based on the appearance.

If you want to represent what you said accurately, I'm happy to answer that question. But I don't appreciate what was originally said being changed.

GOWDY: I don't give a damn what you appreciate, Agent Strzok. I don't appreciate having an FBI agent with an unprecedented level of animus working on two major investigations during 2016.

GOODLATTE: The chair recognizes the gentleman from Maryland, Mr. Cummings.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Can the witness answer questions you promised he could answer? He endured 15 minutes of badgering of the witness. Can he be allowed now to answer as you promised?

GOODLATTE: The gentleman will suspend. The witness at any time can ask for additional time to respond to any member's question if the time has been --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You said you were going to give him that opportunity at the end.

GOODLATTE: I am giving him that opportunity.

STRZOK: Mr. Chairman, may I respond to --

GOODLATTE: Yes, you may.

STRZOK: Sir, I think it's important, when you look at those texts, that you understand the context in which they were made and the things that were going on across America. In terms of the texts that -- "we will stop it." You need to understand that was written late at night, off-the-cuff, and in response it to a series of events that included then-Candidate Trump insulting the immigrant family of a fallen war hero.

[11:20:10] And my presumption, based on that horrible, disgusting behavior that the American population would not elect somebody demonstrating that behavior to be president of the United states.

It was in no way, unequivocally, any suggestion that me, the FBI, would take any action whatsoever to improperly impact the electoral process for any candidate.

So, I take great offense, and I take great disagreement to your assertion of what that was or wasn't. As to the 100 million to 1, that was clearly a statement made in jest and using hyperbole.

I, of course, recognize that millions of Americans were likely to vote for Candidate Trump. I acknowledge that is absolutely their right. That is what makes our democracy such a vibrant process that it is.

But to suggest somehow that we can parse down the words of shorthand textual conversations like they're some contract for a car is simply not consistent with my or most people's use of text messaging.

I can assure you, Mr. Chairman, at no time in any of these texts did those personal beliefs ever enter into the realm of any action I took. Furthermore, this isn't just me sitting here telling you, you don't have to take my word for it.

At every step, at every investigative decision, there are multiple layers of people above me, the assistant director, executive assistant director, deputy director and director of the FBI and multiple layers of people below me, section chief, supervisors, unit chiefs, case agents and analysts, all of whom were involved in all of these decisions.

They would not tolerate any improper behavior in me any more than I would tolerate it in them. That is who we are as the FBI. And the suggestion that I in some dark chamber somewhere in the FBI would somehow cast aside all of these procedures, all of these safeguards, and somehow be able to do this is astounding to me.

It simply couldn't happen. And the proposition that that is going on, that it might occur anywhere in the FBI, deeply corrodes what the FBI is in American society. The effectiveness of their mission and it is deeply destructive.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Chairman, I have a motion. I have a Rule 11 motion, Mr. Chairman, Clause 2. I move to subpoena Steve Bannon. Mr. Bannon was a witness in the House Intelligence Committee investigation. He was under subpoena. He refused to answer (inaudible).

GOODLATTE: The gentleman is not recognized.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Chairman --

GOODLATTE: The chair recognizes the gentleman from Maryland, Mr. --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Chairman, a motion is always in order. A motion is always in order, Mr. Chairman. It's rule 11, Clause 2.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I will yield for one minute. REPRESENTATIVE ERIC SWALWELL (D), CALIFORNIA: Mr. Chairman, I move to subpoena Steve Bannon. He was under subpoena. He refused to answer questions of Mr. Gowdy. Mr. Gowdy appears to have a sincere interest in getting to the bottom of what happened and so I move under Rule 11 to bring Mr. Bannon to this committee.

Also, Mr. Chairman is in receipt of Devin Nunes' letter to our committee recommending that the Judiciary Committee continue on the House Intelligence Committee's investigation into Russia and recommended witnesses.

So, I move now for consideration for Mr. Bannon to be subpoenaed. And if he refuses, for contempt proceedings to occur.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I object in consideration of the motion that is being made.

SWALWELL: And I yield back to Mr. Cummings. But the motion has to be heard immediately, Mr. Chairman under Rule 11, Clause 2.

GOODLATTE: The gentleman will suspend. The motion is not germane and the gentleman from Maryland, Mr. --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I move to table the ruling of the chair. I move to overrule the ruling of the chair.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Chairman, I will table the motion.

GOODLATTE: Motion made to table the appeal the ruling of the chair. All those in favor of tabling the appeal respond by saying aye.

Those opposed no. In the opinion of the chair, the ayes have it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Chairman, I asked for a recorded vote.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Chairman, point of parliamentary inquiry.

GOODLATTE: The gentleman will state his point of parliamentary inquiry.

NADLER: On the vote to table, or for that matter, on the vote to appeal the ruling of the chair, do we take separate votes of the two committees or one vote of everything?

GOODLATTE: My understanding was that both you and Mr. Cummings were satisfied with one roll call vote. But we'll go through each committee in order and then we'll take the cumulative vote after the conclusion of both committees.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I just wanted to clarify that point.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Chairman, I had asked for a recorded vote.

GOODLATTE: The recorded vote has been requested, and the clerk will call the roll. The question is on the motion to table the appeal of the ruling of the chair. The clerk for the Judiciary Committee will commence.

[11:25:06] UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Goodlatte?

GOODLATTE: Aye.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Senson Brenner.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Aye.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Smith?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Aye.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Chaffet.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Aye.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Issa? Mr. King?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Aye.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Gomert.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Aye.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Jordan.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Poe.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Marino?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Gowdy?

GOWDY: Pass.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Labrador? Mr. Collins?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Aye.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Labrador votes aye. Mr. Collins?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Aye.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Desantis?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Aye.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Buck? Mr. Ratcliff?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Ms. Roby? Mr. Gaitz?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Aye.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Johnson of Louisiana?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Aye.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Biggs?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Aye.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Rutherford.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Aye.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Miss Handle?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Nadler?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Miss Lofgren?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Ms. Jackson-Lee?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Cohen?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Johnson of Georgia?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Deutsche?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Gutierrez?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Miss Bass? Mr. Richmond?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Jeffries? Mr. Cicilline?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Swalwell?

SWALWELL: No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Lou?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Raskin?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Ms. (inaudible)?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Schneider?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Miss Demmings?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.

GOODLATTE: The clerk of the Oversight Government Reform Committee will call the roll.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Gowdy?

GOWDY: Pass.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Duncan.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Aye.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Issa.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I am aye for both committees.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Jordan.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Sanford.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Aye.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Amash. Mr. Goeser.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Aye.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Desjarlait?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Aye.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Ms. Fox? Mr. Massey?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Aye.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Meadows.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Aye.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Desantis.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Aye.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Ross.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Aye.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Walker.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Aye.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Blum.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Aye.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Heist.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Aye.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Russell.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Aye.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Growthman.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Aye.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Herd. Mr. Palmer.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Aye.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Comber.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Mitchell. Mr. Jeanforte.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Cummings.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Ms. Maloney.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Ms. Norton.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Clay. Mr. Lynch.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Cooper.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Connolly.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nay.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Miss Kelly.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Nay.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Miss Lawrence.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Nay.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Miss Watson Coleman.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Christian Morthy.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Raskin.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Gomez. Mr. Welch.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Cartwright.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Desonier.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Ms. Plasket?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Sarbanes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Chair? How is Mr. Gowdy recorded?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Gowdy passed. GOODLATTE: The clerk will call the roll -- the clerk of the Judiciary Committee will call the roll of members who have not yet been recorded.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Issa?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Gowdy? Mr. Buck?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Aye.