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ROSEMARY CHURCH, CNN HOST: The pope finally speaks out, a full week after a report that 300 predator priests had prayed on children at Catholic churches and Pennsylvania.

Plus, the U.S. has nicknamed the Mueller probe a witch hunt and now says he could run investigation if he wanted to, just the latest on Donald Trump's attacks on the special counsel.

And later, the lucky few, some families torn apart by the Korean War are reunited for a few hours of joy.

Hello and welcome to our viewers joining us from around the world. I'm Rosemary Church, and this is CNN Newsroom.

The pope's message on the churches sex abuse crisis is unprecedented, but some survivors groups say it's just not enough. In his letter to all Catholics, the pope admitted with shame and repentance, the church's failure to take action against clerics abusing minors.

His message follows last week's grand jury report in Pennsylvania. The report detailed decades of alleged abuse by predator priests.

Barbie Nadeau joins us now from Rome with the latest on this. And Barbie, there has be a lot of criticism over the time it's taken the pope to respond to this grand jury report, and to too many words and too little action?

BARBIE NADEAU, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That's right, Rosemary. I think the victims groups especially wanted to see something a little bit more concrete coming from the pope on this, He does speak about trying to get rid of that culture that provides opportunities for bishops and cardinals to move around, those predator priests.

He's talked, you know, getting rid of the culture or stopping the culture that allows the abuse to happen in the first place, but he doesn't talk about how he is going to do that.

One of the things that victims groups have been demanding is that the Vatican here in Rome and that the various diocese across the world open up their secret archives, because they've got complaints they say from the parishioners throughout the years, and that is something the victims really want, and that's something the pope failed to mention, Rosemary.

CHURCH: And we know that in the United States, about 2800 Catholics have signed an online petition to call on the pope to get the resignations of the bishops here in America. How likely is it that he would even consider that?

NADEAU: Well, you know, in the past, this pope has accepted resignations, we saw in Chile, we've seen in other places but he hasn't demanded resignations, and I think those victims groups would really like to see a strong action like that for the pope to say listen, you cardinals you bishops who were complicit in the cover up need to step down now, instead of waiting for them to do the right thing and resign.

And that's may be a small talking point, but it would mean a lot to the victims, Rosemary.

CHURCH: Does the pope himself in his letter, he mentioned the need to change the culture within the Catholic Church, but he didn't say exactly how that might be done, could we expect to hear more from him on this topic? His visit of course to Ireland won't make this go away?

NADEAU: That's right, and you know, I think he is really looking at trying to defuse some of the scandal of the situation in the United States before he goes to Ireland, because he has a whole set, different set of problems to face there within the Irish Catholic Church, which has its own problems.

And you know, for the pope to lay out some sort of new plan, and how the church is run, seems very, very unlikely at this point. This is not what this visit is about, and it's really not how this pope does business.

He has a group of cardinals he considers his closest allies, and no doubt that's where that kind of direction would come from, that they would come up with a plan, a new set of protocols, a new set of rules in order to try to stop this cover- up, try to stop the secrecy, and try to allow some transparency. Rosemary?

CHURCH: Barbie Nadeau bringing us up to date on the story from Rome, where it's just after nine in the morning, thank you so much.

Well, years of allegations on the church's inaction have shaken churchgoers, as well as abuse survivors' faith.

Shaun Dougherty's abuse by a priest in Pennsylvania began when he was just 10 years old. He says his faith was based on his parents believes.


SHAUN DOUGHERTY, ABUSE SURVIVOR: My faith was more I would say a hope, I was taught, I went through theology classes so I was certainly taught the gospel. I certainly went to church every Sunday with my very devout Catholic family.

[03:04:55] However, mine is more of a hope. I just I really can't wrap my head around how not only how people question that I question my faith.

I question that the church leaders question the faith, how can these men possibly believe that they are going to stand in judgment of God one day? I find it hard to believe sometimes, you know, so I struggle with something that is question constantly in my life.


CHURCH: And later in this half hour, we will hear from Father Thomas Reese, of the religion news service on the calls for punishment for the bishops who covered up the abuse.

We turn to U.S. politics now. Donald Trump says he would consider lifting U.S. sanctions on Russia if they did something that would be good for us. It's just one of several headlines from an Oval Office interview with Reuters News Agency.

The U.S. president says so far, he has decided to stay out of special counsel Robert Mueller's probe into Russian interference in the U.S. election, but Mr. Trump says he could run the investigation if he wants.

CNN spoke with Reuters White House correspondent Jeff Mason about that interview.


JEFF MASON, WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT, REUTERS: He talked about the probe, he said again that it was a witch hunt, in fact, he interrupted us when we started the question, to be clear that that's how he viewed it.

But his, I mean, this quote is getting a lot of attention, with good reason, but he actually the run-up to that quote as he said he was staying out of it, and that it was better if he did.

So it's interesting, he was making it clear that he viewed it as a decision, and that he made the decision to stay out, but it wasn't the only option that he had.


CHURCH: And joining me now is CNN legal analyst and criminal defense attorney, Page Pate. Always good to see you.


CHURCH: Now we learned from President trump's exclusive Reuters interview that he is worried he could be caught in a perjury trap if he agrees for an interview with special counsel Robert Mueller, a concern that his personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani has raised many times. Why would he be concerned about being caught in a lie if he just tells the truth?

PATE: Well, it does seem simple. That I think every lawyer would advise their client not to sit down for an interview like this, if there is even the possibility that someone ether in your administration or in your campaign, who has already been interviewed by the investigators may have said something different.

Now it's not easy to prove perjury in federal court. You don't just have to show that the person made a misstatement or said something incorrect, but that they intended to lie and then have that lie and pay the investigation in some way.

So while perjury is difficult to prove it's always the safest course for the lawyer to say hey, don't go in there and submit to the interview unless you absolutely have to do it.

So, I know Giuliani said the truth isn't the truth, and of course it is, but you can have very different versions of a particular meeting or a phone call, and if the president is not going to be prosecuted for collusion, and the big concern is obstruction, I think it is smart legal strategy not to agree to an interview.

CHURCH: Right. And the president did not say whether he would agree to an interview with Robert Mueller, and of course, it doesn't sound like his legal team wants him to do it, how likely is it that Mr. Trump will ever sit down and answer Mueller's questions?

PATE: I don't think he is going to do it, Rosemary, and I've been saying that for a while. I mean, not only do we see his lawyers advising him not to do it, but we see Trump in the media and on Twitter criticizing the investigation, trying to undercut the credibility of Robert Mueller and the other people on the special counsel's team, so that he'll have cover.

At the end of the day, when he says look, there was nothing to see here. The whole thing was a witch hunt, why would I submit to additional questions, when we have been so cooperative?

We provided documents. They've talked to my White House counsel for 30 plus hours. So I think he is been building a defense for himself to say at the end of the day, he does not want to sit down for an interview.

CHURCH: Right. And Mr. Trump has accused Mueller and his team of being biased, but he declined in this exclusive interview to say whether he would stripped Mueller of his security clearance, as he did with former CIA director John Brennan and as he has threatened to do others. What would happen if he did go ahead and strip Mueller of his security clearance, does he have the power to do that?

PATE: He has the power to do it, yes, just as he has the power to fire the FBI director. The issue in this entire investigation is he using that power in an inappropriate way?

In other words, does he have a corrupt intent? And that's the heart of an obstruction case. So if now he is trying to do something to impede Mueller's investigation, or something to retaliate against Mueller, even proactively, that could be construed as obstruction. So, I think doing that presents more jeopardy than simply letting the investigation continue and draw to a conclusion at some point.

[03:10:02] CHURCH: Right. We'll see what happens there. And of course, both Paul Manafort and Michael Cohen are in legal jeopardy. What impact will their legal parts likely have on the president going forward?

PATE: Well, we'll see, and perhaps sooner or rather than later. I mean, Paul Manafort's jury is still deliberating the case, there is always the possibility that if Manafort is convicted, there can be an attempt for him to cooperate and provide information to the special counsel even after the trial.

Now that's very unusual. But this is not the only trial that Paul Manafort faces, he has another trial here in D.C. coming up almost as soon as the one in Virginia is over with. So there's more exposure for Manafort, he still has the opportunity perhaps to cut a deal and testify.

The same for Michael Cohen, who may very well be charged later this month with financial crimes that relate primarily to his private business, but the government I believe is also interested in the time he spent with the Trump campaign.

And so, if he has information there that he can use to perhaps help himself, lower his potential sentence, he may very well try to strike a deal and testify, or at least cooperate against the president.

CHURCH: Page Pate, always great to have your legal analysis. We appreciate it here at CNN. Thank you.

PATE: Thank you, Rosemary.

CHURCH: Well, source say the president is privately rattled about what his White House counsel, Don McGahn, may have told Robert Mueller's investigators.

CNN's Kaitlan Collins has the latest.

KAITLAN COLLINS, CNN WHITE HOUSE REPORTER: President Trump rattled after learning that White House counsel Don McGahn spoke with investigators from the special counsel's office for more than 30 hours, but never provided a full readout of what he told them.

Trump attempted to downplay the revelation on Twitter, noting that he approved the sit down, as he had lashed out at Robert Mueller for questioning McGahn for so long. Writing, "Anybody meeting that much time when they know there is no Russian collusion, is just someone looking for trouble."

Sources tell CNN Trump wasn't aware of just how long McGahn's interviews lasted until the New York Times published a report this weekend detailing his extensive cooperation.

While publicly blaming Mueller, Trump privately complaining to allies that the report made him look weak.

McGahn is at the center of several incidents Mueller is examining, including Trump's attempt to fire the special counsel last summer. Trump has often blurred the line on what McGahn's role is, believing at times that he is representing him, when really he is representing the presidency. Asked today if the meeting were a mistake, McGahn staying silent.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. McGahn, was it a mistake to have you speak without limits to special counsel Mueller?


COLLINS: The president's agitation growing after the legal team is scrambling to figure out what McGahn said, since he has never asked for a full debrief. Rudy Giuliani admitting he is relying on what Trump's former attorney John Dowd told him.


RUDY GIULIANI, PRESIDENT TRUMP'S ATTORNEY: I'll use his words rather than mine, that McGahn was a strong witness for the president, so I don't need to know much more about that.


COLLINS: But Dowd resigned from the legal team five months ago. Chris Christie blasting the decision to allow McGahn to sit down with the special counsel voluntarily.


FORMER GOV. CHRIS CHRISTIE (R), NEW JERSEY: This shows what a C-level legal team the president had at the beginning, in Ty Cobb and John Dowd, once you waive that privilege, you turn over those documents, Don McGahn has no choice then but to go in and answer everything. Every question they can ask him. And this is not in the presidents interests.


COLLINS: With all the news about McGahn, the White House is attempting to portray the relationship between President Trump and Don McGahn as ironclad, but President Trump himself dictating a statement that Sarah Sanders issued that the two of them have a great working relationship.

In reality, it's been much more tortured than that going back between when the president complaining about Don McGahn, and the two of them going months without speaking to each other one-on-one, and weeks without speaking to each other at all, so the president complementing McGahn and liking the work that he is done with the courts.

But the bottom line is this is the White House struggling to get on top of the message, that even President Trump himself doesn't know all the details of.

Kaitlan Collins, CNN, the White House.

CHURCH: Well, Microsoft says it has foiled a hacking attempt by Russian military intelligence targeting the U.S. Senate and conservative think tanks. The company says a group known as Fancy Bear was behind the attack, that's the same group that hacked the Democratic National Committee in 2016.

Microsoft president Brad Smith said this in a statement, "Attackers want their attacks to look as realistic as possible, and they therefore create web sites and URLs that look like sites their targeted victims would expect to receive e-mails from or visit. The site is involved in last week's order fit this description."

[03:15:01] Well, as the world waits to see whether the Taliban will agree to a holiday ceasefire, we are getting reports of an attack in the Afghan capital. We'll have details on that on the other side of the break.

Plus, it is the meeting of a lifetime, emotional Korean reunions are happening now, but only for a lucky few. The head of the U.N. would like to see that change. We're live in Seoul after the break.


CHURCH: Welcome back, everyone.

We are getting reports of an attack in the Afghan capital and it comes after the Afghan president offered the Taliban a ceasefire. Officials say a number or mortars were fired in Kabul, while President Ashraf Ghani was making a speech at the presidential palace marking Eid-ul- Adha. We are still waiting to see whether the Taliban accept that ceasefire offered by the government.

CNN's senior international correspondent Sam Kiley has covered Afghanistan extensively, he joining us now live from Abu Dhabi. So Sam, let's start by what information that you have, the latest you have on this attack?

SAM KILEY, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, the latest, Rosemary, is as far as we understand, there was a mortar attack in or on the green zone, which is much like we saw in Baghdad in the old days, the administrative center of Kabul, heavily fortified location for American offices, British embassy, American embassy, those sorts of locations.

This was attacked by mortars fired, according to the Afghan interior ministry, from what they called an armored vehicle of some kind, an improvised armored vehicle that was itself inside a compound.

Subsequent to that are people on the ground are saying that there is an ongoing battle now focused on a particular building, where Afghan authorities and Afghan forces are now fighting a group of insurgents.

This, Rosemary, being the latest of almost daily attacks now on the Afghan capital as the Taliban have been brushing aside effectively this offer or announcement of a ceasefire coming from President Ghani.

Two different officials have told the Reuters News Agency from the Taliban that they are not going to observe the cease fire, very much a contrast to the previous religious period a couple of months ago when there was a ceasefire observed, at least in some areas.

[03:20:00] And there are even meetings and celebrations along the front lines between the Taliban and Afghan forces, but this at the moment certainly seems to look, not only look not like a ceasefire, but an attack directly on the very heart of the administrative functions of the Afghan government, Rosemary.

CHURCH: So Sam, this offer from the Afghan president of a ceasefire, we haven't heard from the Taliban, this doesn't bode well at all, does it, so we can assume they either didn't like what was offered the conditions perhaps in that ceasefire? But this just isn't going to happen, is it?

KILEY: Well, there were no conditions attached to this ceasefire other than if it's not observed, then it would not be adhered to by the government. So clearly, the government, if it is attacked, or if its people are attacked, will respond, and that clearly what is occurring today in Kabul.

Simultaneously with this, Rosemary, there was a group of hostages and people abducted, some 160 people on three buses, in the north in Kunduz by the Taliban, many of them are reportedly now been released.

But about 20 or so people allegedly associated with the security forces are being held back the Taliban. And there is an assumption that they will be jailed, and as one Taliban spokesperson possibly used in a prisoner swap in the future.

This is the sort of thing we are seeing more and more routinely, more and more aggression, more and more effective operations by the Taliban.

Just in the last couple of weeks they managed to almost overrun a very important city of Ghazni, which is on the main road between Kabul and Kandahar, the biggest city in the south, Rosemary.

So, in that context the ceasefire is part I think of political maneuvering because in the background there have been sometimes acknowledged, sometimes unacknowledged talks or at least talks about talks between intermediaries between the Taliban and sometimes occasionally, perhaps American officials, and sometimes government officials.

There is an attempt by the Taliban to creep towards some kind of political solution, but as part of that pressure, Rosemary, they need these military successes. And that is what they're delivering. Chaos inside the capital, and overrunning at least temporarily bases and even cities held by the government elsewhere in the country, Rosemary.

CHURCH: All right. Sam Kiley, updating us on that story, a live report there from Abu Dhabi. Many thanks. Well, more emotional reunions are taking place at this hour between

families separated by the Korean War. Many of those who crossed into North Korea on Monday have not seen their relatives in nearly 70 years.

Of the 57,000 who had applied for these reunions, only 89 families were selected. The meetings were arranged earlier this year at the summit between the North and South Korean leaders.

The U.N. secretary-general says he would like to see these reunions become regular events.

And our Paula Hancocks joins us now from Seoul, South Korea. So Paula, how likely is it that they would become regular events, these family reunions?

PAULA HANCOCKS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Rosemary, there's definitely the desire on the South Korean side, they've been pushing for these reunions for some time. There has only been five, including this one, in the past 10 years, they are not held very often, and there hasn't been one for the past three years, since the relations between North and South Korea have been not particularly good because of the intensive nuclear and missile testing from North Korea.

So, it really there is this desire on the South Korean side. We've seen the president, Moon Jae-in, as well, pushing for this. He is part of a separated family, he was part of one of the previous family reunions, and he said for him it's a top priority.

So it's really from the North Korean side that there needs to be more desire to see more of these reunions. But there is an acceptance worldwide that the time is really running out for those 57,000 just on the South Korean side who still want to be part of a future reunion.


HANCOCKS: Lee Kam-sun (Ph) hugs her son for the first time in almost 70 years. The last time she saw him, he was four. The emotions are raw. Lee is 92, and since being separated from her child in 1950, she never knew for sure if he was still alive.

A tragic legacy of the Korean War, that all countless families apart. Days before making the trip to North Korea, Lee told us she said she cried for a year when she fled to the south with her baby daughter after being separated from her husband and son in Mount Kumgang.


HANCOCKS: And that's what she does, not letting go of his hand as he talks to his sister he hasn't seen since she was one.

At every table in this resort in Mount Kumgang the scene is the same, a rush of emotion as families greet relatives they barely recognize. Relatives they only recently discovered were still alive.

These reunions only happen when North and South Korea are on good terms, this is the first in three years. Even then, only a fraction of the 57,000 families in the south who applied are chosen.

And it is bittersweet, a controlled reunion with families meeting for just 11 hours over a three-day period before returning home, knowing that is likely the last time they will see each other.

But for now until Wednesday, Lee can catch up with a son that she barely knows, seeing photos of a husband who is no longer alive. Hearing about a life that she should've been part of.


HANCOCKS: So this is day two of the three days of reunion for this first round, and on Wednesday, the families from South Korea, 89 of them will get back on the buses, come back across the border to South Korea, knowing that that is likely the last time that they will be seeing their loved ones.

I spoke to the head of the Red Cross, and he said one of his priorities is not only to make sure there's more reunions, but to make sure there's some kind of communication between the relatives on both sides of the border even afterwards, knowing how brutal it can be to come back having seen your loved one, and then not have any contact beyond that. Rosemary?

CHURCH: Yes. So heartbreaking, let's hope we see more of these family reunions. Paula Hancocks joining us live from Seoul in South Korea. Many thanks.

Well, Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro has described his economic overhaul as a magic and revolutionary formula to fix everything. But the reality is the country's economic crisis will only get worse.

A few hours from now banks will start rolling out a new currency with five fewer zeros dropping its value by more than 90 percent. It will be pegged to Venezuela's crypto currency, the petro, which experts decry as a sham.

Meanwhile, business owners fear having to lay off employees when the minimum wage increases in about two weeks by more than 3,000 percent. The opposition is calling for a national strike on Tuesday.

We'll take a short break here, but still to come, as the pope addresses sex abuse within the church, Chile is taking action and survivors are calling for accountability.

Plus, a woman falls off of a cruise ship and spends 10 hours fighting for her life in the middle of the Adriatic Sea, how was she able to survive? A water safety expert joins us next.


CHURCH: Welcome back everyone, I am Rosemary Church, I want to update you now on the main stories we have been following this hour. Donald Trump tells Reuter's news agency that he is worried that an interview with Special Counsel, Robert Mueller could be a perjury trap. The U.S. president said he stayed out of the Russian investigation so far, even though he could be running it if he wanted to.

Microsoft says it has prevented an attempt by Russian intelligence to hack the U.S. Senate and conservative think tanks. The company says, a group known as fancy bear was behind the plot that is the same group that hacked the Democratic National Committee in 2016.

Pope Francis is acknowledging the catholic churches inaction on sex abuse by cleric with shame and repentance, in a letter to all Catholics, the pope said that the church showed no care for the little ones. Victims groups said that words were not enough, and the pope has to take action against bishops who covered up the abuses.

Let's talk more about this with Father Thomas Reese, he is a senior analyst at religion news service. Thank you so much for being with us.


CHURCH: Now, in the letter, responding to Pennsylvania's grand jury report released a week ago, the pope said the church showed no care for the little ones, and he called this a crime not a sin, how significant is that?

REESE: I think it is very important, what I liked about this letter was the bluntness with which the pope acknowledged the failures of the bishops, of the hierarchy. That this happened to children was terrible, that it happened by priests was awful, and that bishops were involved in cover-up, is just unforgivable. So, I think it was good that the pope be so frank about this.

CHURCH: I have to ask you, father, why did it take the pope one week to respond to this?

REESE: Well, I think the pope wanted to be careful about his words. To make sure he said the right things. In addition, you know, the pope does not follow a 24/7 new cycle like we do. He has been preparing for a major trip to Ireland, where this topic of course is also going to be on the table. So you know, I would have liked to have him respond quicker, but granting the limitation of his job, I understand that it took him a little while.

CHURCH: But critics say this is too little too late, and more than 2800 Catholics have signed an online letter calling for the resignation of all American bishops to help try to reform the church, how likely is it that the pope would call for them, perhaps some or all of them to do just that, to resign?

REESE: Well, the problem with trying to punish the current crop of bishops is that most of the bad bishops are gone. They are either dead or they have retired. I wish, you know, we could do something to punish those, but what can you do, if they are already gone? So I think --

CHURCH: Let me just read a portion of the Pope's letter, if you wouldn't mind, this is what he says, looking ahead to the future, no effort must be spare to create a culture able to prevent such situations from happening, but also to prevent the possibility of there being covered up and perpetuated. How would the church go about changing that culture, because obviously the pope still thinks there is that culture, and surely the resignation of some or all bishops would be a starting point?

REESE: Well, you know, the church is supposed to be in the business of conversion, and that is what we need, among the clergy. The pope has been very critical of clericalism, this idea that we are somehow better than anybody else, we can circle the wagons and protect our own institution. You know, the pope has been critical of clericalism that since his first day in office, he makes the point that priests and bishops are the servants of the Christian community, we are not the bosses, we are the servants, and we should act like that, and listen to the people, and in addition, you know, the pope has to put in structures to deal with this.

[03:35:09] So that if a bishop is accused of covering up, he has people to do an investigation, and to come back to him with a report and recommendation on what to do with the bishop. And clearly, if a bishop is not protecting children, he should be fired. He should be removed from office.

CHURCH: But as we have seen, in this process, it takes years. It takes decades in some instances, this is the problem for some of the victims, and the statute of limitations is making it impossible for some of those people to get any justice?

REESE: Yes, I mean, this is absolutely true, half of the priests that were in the grand jury report are dead. All of them have been removed from ministry, only two of them were involved in abuse in the last 10 years. The church in the United States has pretty good processes now for protecting children and removing bad priest, but we got to get processes for judging bishops and calling them to task when they do something wrong, and don't implement the rules that the church is put into place.

CHURCH: Father Thomas Reese, thank you for joining us, we appreciate it.

REESE: Good to be with you.

CHURCH: And this latest child sex scandal is likely to follow Pope Francis as he visits Ireland this weekend, marking the first papal visit there in 40 years. More than 20 years ago, investigators in Ireland revealed horrific stories similar to those now being reported from the United States, and despite this historic letter from the pope, many abuse survivors say they are tired of meaningless apologies.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I would like him to tell the truth. I just like him to acknowledge the simple fact of the cover-up and the Vatican's role in it, and that is where then conversations can begin to happen.


CHURCH: Demands are growing now for the Vatican to implement transparent policies and practices, to hold senior clergy responsible for any protection of six offenders within the clergy, but there is little expectation that will happen anytime soon.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don't have any expectations, to be honest. Certainly not high expectations, because the Vatican has had plenty of time between the times of the reports were published in this country and elsewhere, and to actually respond appropriately, and every time they have failed to do so.


CHURCH: On Sunday, half a million people are expected to gather in Dublin to hear the Holy Father deliver mass, it is still unclear if he will address the sex abuse scandal during his two day visit.

Well, as the Vatican tries to get a grip on the international crisis, sex abuse survivors in Chile had been speaking out saying they want predator priests to stand trial and the guilty sent to prison. CNN's Patrick Oppmann reports.


PATRICK OPPMANN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Once a high ranking official, in the Catholic Church in Chile, former priest Oscar Munoz Toledo, now faces charges for the alleged sexual abuse of 7 minors. He is the first priest arrested in a scandal that was believe involving more than 200 alleged victims. And to further blackening the church's name in Chile. Munoz's lawyer, dispute the charges against his client. Chilean prosecutors have been conducting raids on church buildings following an internal Vatican report, that sent four decades, church officials in Chile, had knew about cases of sexual abuse and led a massive cover-up, even destroying records.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE (TRANSLATOR): We found evidence of the destruction of documents, and that, aside from being circumstantial evidence of the cover-up itself, that is also a crime. That could be a crime of concealment, or destruction of information.


OPPMANN: In January, while visiting Chile, Pope Francis defended a Chilean bishop accused of concealing the abuse, saying that he had been quote, slandered. But after Vatican investigator said, church officials in Chile, had helped to cover up tens of cases of sexual abuse, by the clergy, the pope apologized and met with some of the victims. All 34 of Chile's bishops were summoned to Rome, where they offered the pope the resignation, the first mass resignation in history of the church. The pope ultimately accepted the resignations of five bishops. Including that bishop he defended. The prosecutors say the church is still failing to cooperate with their investigations. Accuser, Juan (inaudible) met with pope and said the church's actions are falling short.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (TRANSLATOR): here in Chilean Bishops convinces what was happening were sins or (inaudible). No. They are crimes, and felonies, and they should pay with jail time.

OPPMANN: Chilean prosecutors say there are 158 bishops, priests and laypeople under investigation. It is still not clear how many, if any, will pay for their alleged crimes. Patrick Oppmann, CNN.


[03:40:10] CHURCH: A rising death toll, more than 1 million people in shelters, and a massive cleanup, India's Kerala state is facing a nightmare scenario after the worst flooding day in nearly a century, the death toll is nearing 400 and it is expected to rise even further. Dozens of people are missing, authorities are handing out medicine and disinfectants to try to ward off disease, and a team of professional divers are pitching in as well to provide relief.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are going into the places where people cannot reach, they are like newborn babies even, patients, and so many people are there, they are not getting enough medical support and medical aid, and the last two or three days, we are recovering them from houses, they were trapped in the top floors, we are picking them up from the homes, and putting them all in the camps.


CHURCH: The state government says, more than 2800 fishermen have also been involved in that relief effort.

Time to take a short break, but just ahead, is he a populist President who is putting America first, or something worst? How Europe sees Donald Trump.

Plus, a woman falls off at a cruise ship and fights to stay alive for 10 hours in the waters of the Adriatic Sea, how was she able to survive? We will get some expert analysis on that when we come back.


CHURCH: Welcome back everyone, Donald Trump's message has resonated throughout Europe since he started his campaign for the U.S. Presidency back in 2015, three years later, and some are noticing a change from America first populism, to serious danger. CNN's Mellissa Bell, reports from Paris.


MELISSA BELL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The story of a bromance that then soured, Emmanuel Macron had tried with Donald Trump a different approach to other European leaders. The imposition of trade tariffs seems to have put an end to any hope of finding much common ground.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: May be at the beginning, there was this feeling that he was simply a strange man. But now it is different. And to some extent, there is a new Trump. No, there is a more radical Trump. And people in Europe are really realizing that this is very serious.

[03:45:19] BELL: The g7 seemed to embody that shift, a realization that the transatlantic alliance, a product of the shared history and a symbol of shared values, was really being tested.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (TRANSLATOR): I think we have to deal with it, because the United States of America is an important partner for us, they don't always have policies that we agree on. The history of the transatlantic relations show us a great deal of conflict, but it very much worth it to solve these conflicts.

BELL: One thing that Europe seemed unprepared for Helsinki, its press poured over the American president rapprochement to Russia and deference to Vladimir Putin, partly because of the implications for Europe increasingly divided between those often on the far right who also want to get closer to Moscow, and the older, more traditional European guard, that seems not to have digested the shift in what had been such a steadfast transatlantic alliance.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It will recover, but it will never be the same thing. There is a loss of innocence. Probably on both sides. Because one should be under no illusion, Trump is not completely isolated, he reflects a very deep current.

BELL: It is a current now in power in the Euro zone's third largest economy, last month, the Italian Prime Minister was in Washington for the first time since an election that Steve Bannon. President Trump's former adviser, went to Italy to observe, before moving to France, where he spoke at the far right annual conference.

Steve Bannon's visit to Europe in the spring really seemed to fire up the populace here, with Donald Trump no longer seen as a pragmatist who is going to put America first, but rather as a representative of a populist and nativist ideology, the spread of which is being watched with growing alarm here on the old continent. Melissa Bell, CNN, Paris.


CHURCH: A British woman who fell off cruise ship in the Adriatic Sea says she is lucky to be alive. Kay Longstaff spent nearly 10 hours treading waters and singing to herself to stay awake and keep her body temperature up. She was found floating 60 miles off the coast of Croatia, and recovered quickly, from her ordeal, according to the commander of the ship that rescued her.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE (TRANSLATOR): The person was exhausted and shocked, but soon after she was pulled on deck, and after liquids were offered to her, soup, and a little later then a isotonic beverage, she came to herself, and it could be seen that she sustained no physical injury or scratches.


CHURCH: Simply amazing, and joining is now with expert insight, is Ross MacLeod, who has lead water safety campaigns for Britain's world national lifeboat institute, and he also spent years as a lifeguard himself from one of the U.K.'s busiest stretches, thank you for being with us.


CHURCH: How was Kay Longstaff able to stay alive for those 10 hours treading water, and seemingly able to bounce back after her ordeal?

MACLEOD: It really is an incredible story, and for Kay to survive the initial fall from what I understand, she fell for about seven stories into the water, which itself is a pretty miraculous story of survival, because it could have very easily ended if she knocked her head on the way down. The two main things around the physiology, the temperature of the water where she fell and was reported be about 28 or 29 degrees, which twice as warm as it is in the U.K. on average, survival times and that kind of temperature water is around what you would find in a typical swimming pool, is up to 24 hours, if conditions are favorable in which they were. The water was calm, there was no much waves are swell that allowed her in terms of heat loss to survive in the water.

The other thing is the psychology of how you survive for that long, because at that point, again we are unclear actually of how she ended up in the water, but whether someone saw her fall, is really important, because if you go over the side on the cruise liner, it is really important that someone raises the alarm, the captain knows to turn the boat around to come back and find you, because, especially if you are not wearing a life jacket or any kind of PLB, or a radio to let people know where you are, finding a person the water is kind of like a needle in the haystack, if the top of your head is the only thing bobbing around. She did really well to be found in the first place, very lucky lady indeed.

CHURCH: Yes, the temperature of the water, the fact the water was calm, she was in very good condition as well we understand, very fit, a lady who follows yoga, maybe all of those things combined help her. How likely would it be that most other people would've survived an ordeal like that, do you think?

[03:50:15] MACLEOD: I think that positive mental attitude, she talked about the singing, and the yoga, which is the greatness, that is what allowed her to keep positive, and kept thinking that she would be rescued, absolutely that is key, the other thing around is how she managed to keep herself afloat, the work that we do here around drowning prevention, the first couple of minutes is especially really important, the ability to relax, fight your instinct to panic and thrash around, and just try and float, lie back on your back, extend your arms and legs, and just try and take that first couple of minutes to get control of your breathing, also assess the situation, and see what the next move is. And in her situation, she would be there by herself, seeing the boat driving off the distance, so it must be quite harrowing experience.

So, anyone watching today, if you do see something like that, whether its boats or somewhere else, the first thing you should thing to do is raise the alarm, tell the captain, try to throw them something that floats would be really helpful, so any kind of a rescue ring, even an inflatable, anything that can help keep them above the water.

CHURCH: It is hard to think how someone would feel, I mean, that sense of falling overboard, from so far above the water, and seeing the cruise liner move on, psychologically, how she stayed positive and didn't start worrying in fearing that she would never be rescued from the water is quite extraordinary?

MACLEOD: It is quite incredible, I can't quite fathom myself, what it must be, especially 60 miles out, to see that boat heading off, I think I need to start practicing yoga as well, and keep that positive mental thinking, it was enough to keep her positive and afloat. One of the key things, here in the water, is the heat loss, although the water was quite warm, she said, she kept singing and kept moving around to keep the heat up, if you are in that situation yourself, hopefully never, the next couple of minutes, keep herself as still as possible, for the longer-term survival, you want to retain as much heat as possible, if you have something that floats, to hold onto, keep some of the heat in your body, keeping you positive, and really do anything you can, keep in mind that people might be looking for you, so any kind of signaling device you might have, even a mirror or something that might catch the light, anything that can be helpful to make sure that you can be found at sea, it is really like searching for a needle in the haystack if you are that far off the coast.

CHURCH: Very good tips there and of course thankfully the water was calm and was warm, but we appreciate your expertise, Ross MacLeod, thank you so much for joining us. I appreciate it.

MACLEOD: Thank you.

CHURCH: And coming up, irony by name is Melania, while Donald Trump calls people dogs and thugs on Twitter, his wife goes on a crusade against cyber bullying, back in a moment.


CHURCH: Welcome back everyone, some London airport employees had to revert to some old skills on Monday, including penmanship. Gate agents at Gatwick airport, had to pullout this white boards manually list flight numbers and departure gates, the airport put the blame on Vodaphone, the facilities I.T. provider for ongoing issues with the electronic departure and arrival boards.

[03:55:13] Oh, the irony. While Donald Trump was attacking his enemies on Twitter, his wife Melania was addressing a summit on cyber bullying. Here is Jeanne Moos with that.

(BEGIN VIDEO) JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Do what she says, not what he does,

Melania Trump was once again speaking --

MELANIA TRUMP, DONALD TRUMP'S WIFE: -- on cyber bullying prevention.

MOOS: You know, like calling someone bad dog.

M. TRUMP: Also be destructive.

MOOS: Or tweeting angry Democrats thugs.

M. TRUMP: And harmful use incorrectly.

MOOS: Tweeted one critic, it appears she has never met her husband. Tweeted another, irony, thy name is Melania, misspelling her name the way the President once misspelled it. Someone posted in image of broken irony meter off the scale, and another comment use the words of the church lady.


MOOS: Supporters protested, no, Donald Trump doesn't cyber bully, he cyber counter punches. Some thought the first lady was sending --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A veiled message to her husband, right?

M. TRUMP: Let us face it. Most children are more aware of the benefits and pitfalls of social media than some adults.

MOOS: This adult? It has all gotten so surreal that it is hard to tell what is real and what is parity? Very proud, the first lady, Melania Trump, giving a speech on cyber bullying, anyone who uses social media to bully someone or insult someone as a low I.Q. loser who really should just disappear. It turns out that was a parody, Donald Trump, but dozens found it so authentic, they lashed out. You literally can't make a tweet about not cyber bullying without cyber bullying. Somebody else took a page from Rudy Giuliani.


MOOS: Hence, bullying isn't bullying! Melania Trump has acknowledge that people are skeptical of her discussing this topic.

M. TRUMP: But it will not stop me from doing what I know is right.

MOOS: Could there be marital fallout, because the first lady dares to use the anti-bullying pulpit?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Her husband will be so mad, he will not speak to me.

MOOS: Jeanne Moos, CNN, New York.


CHURCH: And that is where we will leave you, I am Rosemary Church, remember to connect with me anytime on Twitter, the news continues now with Max Foster in London, you are watching CNN, have a great day.