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ISA SOARES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: From politics to pomp to even protests. It's day two of Donald Trumps visit to London. We're live from Buckingham Palace and 10 Downing Street with the very latest.
We have a CNN exclusive report on two North Korean envoys. One was reported executed, but he may actually be alive. We'll have a live report for you from Hong Kong.
And 30 years after Tiananmen Square Massacre, how China's government continues to try and erase this stain from history.
We're live for you from Beijing. A busy hour ahead, thank you very much for joining us. A very good morning. It is 9:00 here outside Buckingham Place at the Canada gate. I'm Isa Soares and you are watching CNN NEWSROOM.
A very good morning to you. On Monday, Donald Trump's visit to the U.K. was all about the pomp and the ceremony. Today, he gets down to business. This morning Mr. Trump and Prime Minister Theresa May are holding a breakfast leaders. That's expected to happen in the next 45 to 50 minutes.
Yesterday, the president seemed to relish his elaborate royal treatment. He chatted with the Queens's guards, you can see there, line up in his honor in front Buckingham Palace. His gun salutes, 41 gun salutes, in fact, echoed from nearby Green Park.
He had lunch with Her Majesty and later he and Prince Charles sat for a spot of afternoon tea. Now the day ended with an opulent state banquet, where both Mr. Trump and Queen Elizabeth talked about the importance of the U.S., U.K. relationship. Take a listent.
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QUEEN ELIZABETH II, QUEEN OF UNITED KINGDOM: Mr. President, as we look to the future, I'm confident that our common values and shared interests will continue to unite us. Tonight we celebrate an alliance that has helped to ensure the safety
and prosperity of both our people for decades, in which I believe will endure for many years to come.
DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: From the Second World War to today, Her Majesty has stood as a constant symbol of these priceless traditions. She has embodied the spirit of dignity, duty and patriotism that beats proudly in every British heart.
On behalf of all Americans, I offer a toast to the eternal friendship of our people, the vitality of our nations and to the long cherished and truly remarkable reign of Her Majesty, the Queen.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SOARES: Now Washington and the U.K. seem to be getting all they can out of this trip before Britain leaves the European Union. Hadas Gold joins me now ahead of this breakfast with business leaders.
Hadas, what -- are we expecting anything substantive to come out of these talks given that Theresa May is officially stepping down this Friday?
HADAS GOLD, CNN REPORTER: Isa, that's right. Prime Minister Theresa May is a lame duck prime minister, but this morning she is still participating in a business round table with President Trump as well as representatives from 10 companies that have major presences both here in the United Kingdom as well as the United States.
These include companies like Goldman Sachs, Barclays, BAE, GSK and JP Morgan Chase. And during this breakfast they're going to talk about shared economic interests, increasing investment and likely this possibility of a bilateral free trade agreement after Brexit.
But, economic experts warn that these grand statements by President Trump, that a free trade agreement after Brexit would be so wonderful for the United Kingdom and will be even better post Brexit, aren't necessarily true when you look at the numbers.
Now, the U.S. represents 15.7 percent of the U.K. import-export trade. But the E.U., when you take the E.U. as a whole, keep in mind, that's more than 20 nations together, that represents more than 49 percent of the U.K. trade. So, after Brexit the U.K. will be looking at both the E.U. and the U.S., and we'll have to try to balance these trade agreements.
The problem here inlies the things like standards and agriculture tariffs. This is where the issue of things like chlorinated chicken come into play, because the U.S. wants the U.K. to change some of their standards to make easier for U.S. goods to come into the U.K., but the E.U. has different standards. The U.K. will have to balance all of these standards, balance these free trade agreements.
Now actually, a U.K. government study last year found that a U.S. free trade agreement after Brexit would increase GDP in the U.K. only by 0.2 percent after 15 years, that's not a lot. So, it may be that the U.K. will look more to the E.U, which is closer
in distance, they've been closely aligned for so long, for a post Brexit free trade agreement.
Now Isa also, all of this completely depends on what happens with Brexit. We still don't know what exactly Brexit will look like come October when that new deadline is, because if something changes, if the U.K. somehow stays in a customs union, that completely changes the conversation over, even if there could be a free trade agreement.
SOARES: Of course it's not the question of one replacing the other. The U.K. possibly needs both. The problem then becomes which -- what kind of Brexit we're going to have. Perhaps, Hadas, and you correct me if I'm wrong, would this benefit -- would a hard Brexit or no Brexit -- harder Brexit benefit the United States do you think?
GOLD: It would definitely benefit the United States and that's what the U.S. has said over and over. And this is partly why the U.S. president loves Brexit, because they see it as an opportunity to increase trade with the U.S., to get more U.S. goods into the United Kingdom.
But again, we have these same issues with no only regulatory alignment, but also if you think about distance and the depth of the relationship. The U.A. is just -- just closer. It's easier to get goods from the E.U. than it is to get them from the United States.
All of those issues come into play here, into a free trade agreement, and when you look at the U.K. governments own numbers on this, they might think their numbers would be better if they have -- if they are closer with the E.U.
Obviously, they're going to try to get both, but again, this is all depending on Brexit. So, these conversations, they are obviously very important to have, but it's hard to have a lot of these conversations in real terms before the U.K. knows exactly what Brexit will look like.
SOARES: Of course, and possibly he may be looking over Theresa May's shoulder because, of course, she is stepping down. Hadas Gold, thank you very much.
I'm joined now by Amy Pope, she's an Associate Fellow with the U.S. and the American's program of the Chatham House think tank. She's also a former Deputy of Homeland Security Advisor on the National Security Council for U.S. President Barak Obama. And we thank you very much for joining us.
You heard what Hadas was saying there, the other concern for many Brits having heard what -- from the U.S. Ambassador over the weekend, the question of the NHS, possibly will be on the table, agriculture, this whole idea of chlorinated chicken as well and the U.K. may have to be barreled to these rules. Is the fact that the U.S. and -- under President Trump will push for very harsh, very tough trade deal?
AMY POPE, ASSOCIATE FELLOW, CHATHAM HOUSE: I think the U.K. should expect it. This president benefits when the U.K. is acting alone as opposed to a part of a block, right? And so, I would not assume if I'm sitting in the U.K. government, that a U.S., U.K. trade deal is going to end up with the U.K. in a better position.
I think they loose a lot of their leverage, because they're acting in isolation as opposed to part of the European Union.
SOARES: Yes, so we push a tough bargain like you would expect any leader to do, but clearly peeling the U.K. from the European Union benefits the United States long-term.
POPE: Well, I think it benefits in the short-term certainly. There are real long-term questions here, ultimately that the president I think is ignoring because he's looking for short-term wins.
But ultimately, again, if I'm in the U.K. government I would approach this trade deal with some caution, with some trepidation, I'd also keep my eye on where the U.S. Congress is going to be. Ultimatlely Congress has to approve it.
SOARES: Of course.
POPE: And the president is in a very bad state with especially the Democrats and the House.
SOARES: Well, you heard what Hadas said in terms of the numbers, but what President Trump said over the weekend with the "Sunday Times" article, we have tremendous potential to make up more than the difference. One of the advantages of Brexit is the fact that now you can deal with the number country by far.
The numbers don't show that, in fact you need the E.U.
POPE: This is, again, the president's rhetoric over reality and we see this time and again. He puts forward ideas that are not substantiated by the evidence and I think if you're sitting in the U.K., you need to figure out what his long-term goal ultimately his, and again, be careful, because I don't think that he's ultimately looking to the benefit of both countries.
SOARES: Yes, and on that point Amy, post Brexit Britain, Britain wants, although it's even European Union, it wants to be a global Britain. Is that even possible within isolation of President Trump?
POPE: I think it's highly problematic. I mean the U.K.'s strength, it's leverage with the U.S. has always been it's entry into the European Union. It's the U.S.'s closest ally when it comes to things like intelligence sharing, defense, strategic planning, et cetera. And so, it looses some leverage by stepping away from the E.U. and therefore looses some of it's importance to the U.S. relationship.
SOARES: You talked about intelligence, I was speaking to one guest (ph) yesterday that -- who basically said (inaudible) that this special relationship will be delay (ph) them (ph) in terms of what President Trump actually wants. And she was insinuating that perhaps President Trump will give the U.K. trade deal in return for something else, whether it be Huawei. Where, I mean, what do you think that President Trump will want from this?
POPE: Well, I think, first in terms of Huawei ...
POPE: ... yes, we should be careful about distinguishing that from the president's very belecose rhetoric on China, right? So, Huawei, from an intelligence point of view, across the board intelligence chiefs in the United States have expressed concern about it, so that could be a valid point no matter who's sitting the White House, no matter who's prime minister, right?
But there's a separate question about what the president intends to extract in the short-term on issues like trade or information sharing, intelligence, and again, because of the E.U.'s - the fact that the U.K. is distancing itself from the E.U., it weakens its leverage in terms of bargaining with the United States.
SOARES: And finally I want to ask you, we heard from Majesty the Queen talking yesterday at the banquet, she talked about the importance of international institutions. How much do you think was that a criticism, a shot across the rows (ph) to the president?
POPE: Well it's ironic that he is coming here to commemorate D-Day, and what we all know is that after World War II, we created these alliances that are meant to prevent another world war.
And he has at every turn taken pains to undermine the legitimacy of those institutions and that should give everyone who's concerned about the future of our world some - some pause.
SOARES: Amy, lovely to meet you.
POPE: Lovely to meet you, thank you.
SOARES: Thanks very much, thanks for coming in. Now for more let's turn to our International Diplomatic Editor Nic Robertson, he is outside the prime minister's residence at 10 Downing Street. And Nic, yesterday we heard from President Trump at the banquet really praising the eternal (ph) friendship.
Today we're going to be looking at what separates both countries rather than unites them.
NIC ROBERTSON, INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR, CNN NEWS: There will be something of that, certainly when they get into the closed door meetings here there will be this sort of intensive bilateral discussions that go on.
This is the way that Downing Street has described the - has described the situation. But it won't be a one on one, it'll be, you know, both leaders with their cabinets with them. But the expected difficult issues will be the Huawei issue, the 5G network will be. For instance, Iran, that will be another potentially tough issue.
But there's also, you know, real moments this morning, particularly this business meeting that Theresa May's having with President Trump right now with CEOs from leading American and leading British companies, BAE Systems, GlaxoSmithKline, Barclays Bank, JP Morgan to name but a few.
And Theresa May will there (ph) be really emphasizing - you know what the two countries do have in common she'll say, you know, British businesses employ a million American.
She'll - she'll point to the business leaders around the table and say look, amongst all these companies here, these 10 different companies, 176,000 people are employed in both countries, British Aero Systems for example, she may point, you know, employ 64,000 people in Britain and the United States.
Forty percent of their sales are in the United States. So these are important factors that Theresa May will allow (ph). She'll say, you know, in a future relationship, a future free trade deal, these business relations can be strengthened and deepened. That's going to be the narrative of that message.
So if you like, the two parts of this morning is the business where there's the commonality, where there's this desire to do something better together. And then the second part, which is, you know, the more political discussions behind closed doors.
And then of course a press conference where potentially we could get to ask some questions about both of these issues. Lisa.
SOARES: Nic, but these are going to be - from what we understand, substantial talks, the concern is they might not be very - nothing substantive will come out of it, given that Theresa May is in fact stepping down on Friday and possibly President Donald Trump will be looking over her shoulder, looking at the next leader of the Conservative Party, their next prime minister.
So what do we expect to come out of this? I was reading one interesting article in the Times this morning, it was suggesting that Theresa May will actually push President Trump pretty hard when it comes to China.
ROBERTSON: China, Britain business relationship is an important one for Britain. Think of the number of times that either the chancellor of the exchequer, the foreign secretary or prime minister herself have had trips or hosted Chinese leaders.
This business - this relationship is important to Britain because it believes outside of the European Union, you know, it can do an increased level of trade in Asia and particularly with China.
So, you know, by being told by President Trump and recently Secretary of State Mike Pompeo that Britain doing business with Huawei for the - for the 5G network could sort of cut them off from intelligent sharing from their Five Eyes allies is a difficult conundrum for Britain, where it looks not just to the United States but all around the world - globally.
Remember, Brexit was all about being able to trade on the high seas around the world, all around the world, not just with the United States. And China would be an important part of that. And that will send a political message if Britain was to pull out of what its already discussed with Chinese officials about any - any business dealings with Huawei in the future.
And that would have repercussions more broadly in Britain's business relationship with China, and that's symptomatic of the way that President Trump's sort of America first policies end up not just polarizing the United States, but polarizing the world.
Either you're going to do - support the United States and stay out of some business relationships in China which can penalize other business relationships there, or you deal with the United States.
So you know, these are going to be the difficulties for - for Britain outside of the European Union in the future where it isn't backed by this big, large, strong trading block. It's going to be more standing on its own.
So yes, the China relationship's going to be an important one.
SOARES: And Nic, we saw a tweet from President Trump yesterday where he talked about tremendous crowds. They weren't that tremendous at least from where - where we were yesterday, Nic, here outside Buckingham Palace. Today we could possibly see some tremendous crowds though of protestors.
ROBERTSON: We could, but President Trump may not get to see them because his motorcade when it does move around the streets here, it may not go past them there, it would be hugely unlikely to, and it does seem from what we understand now that although there's going to be a protest that's sort of going to gather in a couple of hours just up the road from here half a mile away in Trafalgar Square, they had wanted to be at a march down White Hall here, you know, right at the end of Downing Street down here and sort of get as close as they can to where the prime minister is meeting with the president.
That doesn't seem to be on the cards at the moment. So there may be big crowds, the president may not get to see them. We do understand the leader of the opposition Jeremy Corbyn is going to speak to that - you know, to the gathered protest crowds at Trafalgar Square.
That may draw in a few other - a few additional people, certainly the opposition party here would like to label the conservative party right now as being close to the President Trump, particularly if Boris Johnson becomes leader of the Conservative Party. That's something that President Trump has said that he would like
because the opposition here would like a general election. So you can expect them trying to take advantage. Also politically these other protests that include much, much - many other issues.
SOARES: Yes, and we'll expect to hear from - here on the show from Emily Thornberry of the Labor Party in the next hour or so. Nic Robertson there outside 10 Downing Street, thanks very much, Nic.
And coming up on "CNN Talk", we want to know what you think, is this special relationship between the United Kingdom and the United States at risk? Log onto Facebook.com/cnninternational to have your say. Let us know, is it that special after all?
That's "CNN Talk" starting at 12:00 p.m. here in London, 7:00 p.m. if you are watching in Hong Kong.
You are watching "CNN Newsroom" we have an exclusive new information about a top North Korean envoy who was reportedly put to death following the failed summit with the U.S.
And remembering a massacre being erased from history, 30 years since Beijing orders its military to open fire on pro-democracy demonstrators, an entire generation knows almost nothing about the Tiananmen Square crackdown.
And we are live in the Chinese capital with all the details for you.
Welcome back to "CNN Newsroom". I want to show you some live images coming into CNN. That's in Trafalgar Square, we are looking at what looks like the inflatable - that giant, orange, in your screen, inflatable baby Trump blimp. Kind of a nappy clad if you remember.
That's going to - supposed to I think be blown up in the next couple of minutes from 10 o'clock, probably part of these protests they're taking part today. We'll keep an eye on that of course and we will be speaking to the body behind this baby blimp that - that had to have fundraising and a license for it in the next - in the next hour or so.
But beginning of the Trump protests taking part - taking place with that blimp about - of President Trump about to be inflated. Of course it's day two today and Britain and the U.S. president are having another packed 24 hours ahead.
Today is about something Mr. Trump feels he has a particular attitude for, and that's business. He and British Prime Minister Theresa May are beginning a day with a breakfast meeting with business leaders, that's after an evening of opulence at Buckingham Palace.
State banquet in the president's honor, the white tie event took place in the palace's ballroom and the queen and President Trump used the occasion to lavish praise on one another. The relationship between the United States and Britain and their joint
efforts to win the second World War, take a listen.
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QUEEN ELIZABETH II, UNITED KINGDOM: The anniversary of D-Day reminds us of all that our countries have achieved together. After the shared sacrifices of the second World War, Britain and the United States worked with other allies to build an assembly of international institutions to ensure that the horrors of conflict would never be repeated.
DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: The courage of the United Kingdom's sons and daughters ensured that your destiny would always remain in your own hands.
Through it all, the royal family was the resolute face of the commonwealth's unwavering solidarity.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
And of course - of course we'll have much more on President Trump's visit in the hour ahead. Now though we'll switch gears, I wanted to show you a CNN exclusive about the fate of two top North Korean diplomats involved in that collapse of Vietnam summit with the U.S.
A South Korean newspaper said Kim Hyok Chol, pictured on the left of your screen, was executed in March. He was a special envoy to the U.S. The other one on your right, Pyongyang's Chief Negotiator Kim Yong Chol was reportedly sent to a hard labor camp.
But our sources say that's not so. CNN's Will Ripley has reported from North Korea on 19 separate trips. He joins me now from Hong Kong with the exclusive details. So there's a lot of back and forth for this, Will.
What have you uncovered?
WILL RIPLEY, INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT, CNN NEWS: There have been so many conflicting reports that have come out of North Korea, and not just in recent days, but in recent years especially surrounding this issue of officials who are rumored to have been purged or executed and then they turn up mysteriously it seems, alive, brought back from the dead despite the news reports that often originate from South Korea like the report late last week in one of their leading newspapers, The Chosun Ilbo, that Kim Hyok Chol the special envoy to the U.S. had been executed as punishment for his role in the failed summit in Hanoi, Vietnam back in February.
Well we started checking into that, I spoke with source after source and was simply not able to confirm that reporting out of South Korea. And in fact, it took a number of days up until just a few hours ago when a source - three sources confirmed that in fact Kim Hyok Chol is alive.
And he is in custody in North Korea right now, under investigation, potentially facing a heavy punishment, but we don't know what charges. There is not a whole lot of information confirmed right now.
Clearly because he was one of the negotiators on that team that apparently gave Kim Jong-un a lot of confidence that when he traveled to Vietnam he would certainly walk away with a deal or so he thought.
He was taken by surprise, he was shocked, he was humiliated when President Trump walked out. And so Kim Hyok Chol along with a couple of other members of his team are reportedly detained and under investigation.
Now Kim Yong Chol, who was the head of the whole operation, the point person if you will, the negotiating counterpart of U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, Kim Yong Chol, he didn't go to a labor camp which is what was reported in South Korea.
We saw him in this picture over the weekend in North Korean state media sitting at a concert at an art performance with Kim Jong-un. But what my sources tell me, he's - even though he's there in the VIP section, he has been stripped of nearly all his power and he was forced as punishment to sit in his office and write sentences of self criticism for a number of weeks in silence.
Imagine that kind of a punishment, how mentally grueling that would be even if he wasn't actually serving physical harbor, Isa.
SOARES: Yes, and I think we've seen cases like this before haven't we, where people have disappeared or died and suddenly resurface. Will Ripley there with that exclusive report. Thanks very much Will, good to see you.
Now today it is a painful anniversary, it's been commemorated around the world except where the tragedy actually took place. In 1989, democracy was spreading like a wave across Central Europe and the Soviet Union.
But the wave stopped in China, specifically Tiananmen Square. On June the fourth, 1989, thousands of Chinese protestors gathered there to demand freedom and democracy. Instead their government turned on them, sending in troops to massacre an unknown number of demonstrators.
The resistance was immortalized in this photo of so called "Tank Man", who stepped out in front of the military tanks as they left the square the day after the murders. While comments by China's government show how sensitive the subject remains, nothing noting the anniversary, U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said the following, Chinese citizens continue to seek to exercise their human rights, organize independent unions, pursue justice through the legal system and simply express their views for which many are punished, jailed and even tortured.
China's embassy in U.S. slammed the comments, calling them an affront issued out of prejudice and arrogance. Matt Rivers joins us now from Beijing. And Matt, commemorations are taking place right around the world.
But not so in Beijing.
MATT RIVERS, INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT, CNN NEWS: No, we were all over the city today starting from about 9:00 a.m. until we were forced to come back to the bureau here in Beijing not long ago.
And I can tell you that it's an ordinary Tuesday here. There were no memorials, no commemorations of the people that have died, remembrances of them. And that is exactly the way China's government wants it to be.
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Thirty years later, it's an event most remembered by the lasting images it produced. Tiananmen Square, packed for weeks with demonstrators calling for a more democratic government.
And on surrounding streets, the subsequent chaos and violence, the fires, the tanks, the gunshots, hundreds if not thousands were killed as the government sent in troops to shut down the protests.
An official death toll was never released. For those who were there on June 4th, 1989, the memories remain fresh.
Every now and then these three get together in Beijing, they all protested in Tiananmen and spent about 15 years in prison because of it. It's come to define the remainder of their lives, and yet -
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (Through Translator) Average people in China only have a very basic awareness of what happened in it (ph).
RIVERS: China wants you and the rest of the world to forget that anything bad happened here, to erase the protests and the violence from the history books. Schoolchildren are not taught about it, it's not mentioned in their textbooks.
There are no memorials to remember those who died. On Chinese internet, anything about the prodemocracy protests is censored. For all the witnesses, all the horrific pictures, China's government pretends a seminal event of the 20th century didn't exist.
China's defense minister recently defended the military's response in 1989, saying the protests were a political turmoil that needed to be quelled and that military response was the correct policy.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (Through Translator) Once they mention it, it's very possible that the legitimacy of their regime will be threatened.
RIVERS: Fang Jong (ph) protested in the square and spoke to us in Taiwan. He lost his legs after being run over by a tank. He says China's ruling Communist Party wants to stay in power more than anything else, and talking about what happened could undermine the Chinese public's confidence in party leaders, erasing a government atrocity from history is in its interest. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (Through Translator) And in recent years under the rule of President Xi Jingping, the political situation has become harsher.
RIVERS: Fang (ph) and other critics say not talking about what happened in Tiananmen is right in line with the increased repression in China recently, things we've reported on, hundreds of human rights lawyers arrested, extrajudicial imprisonment of dissidence, increased censorship of the media and the internet, the masked detention of ethnic Muslim minorities.
China denies all of that, but they are all things designed to exert control and quash dissent, done by a government critics say whose biggest fear is a repeat of what happened in 1989.
Many in the West thought China would democratize after what happened in Tiananmen Square. It didn't. Perhaps the most well known scene from the events of 30 years ago is this, a man, alone, standing in front of a column of military tanks, trying to stop their advance.
He's paid homage right now at this exhibit in Taiwan. We filmed it last week.
And as we did so, a Chinese tourist came up to us and asked, who is that?
And in addition to the massive censorship operation here domestically, China's government takes steps to make sure that foreign journalists aren't talking about this. So earlier today we were doing a live shot for one of the CNNI shows. And we were at a stop called Mushi Di which is where a lot of the killings happened on June 4th.
And the cops came up to us. And they started harassing us. They told us to stop filming even though we were on a public street completely within the law here in China. They said that we were violating traffic violations, whatever that means.
And then the un-uniformed security personnel came in and tried to stop us from filming, hands in the camera, all that. And the point of that is not just to talk about the fact that we were harassed.
The point of that is to show that China will go to extraordinary lengths not just to intimidate it's own citizens from talking about this but also those of us who are not Chinese citizens who are just journalists living here.
And in addition to that harassment Isa, we also have CNN.com right now unable to be accessed from mainland China. And I can grantee you that the T.V. signal here for CNN right now is being censored as a result of us talking about this topic.
SOARES: Yes, and worth reminding telling our viewers you weren't on the street there, you were on the sidewalk, on the pavement. So, there was no reason for them to actually tell you to move. Matt Rivers there thanks very much, good to see you.
Now we're bringing you extensive coverage of the second day of President Trump's state visit to Britain.
Not everyone on these shores is giving him a warm welcome as the queen. Mass protests expected across London today. Or something similar, the Trump baby blimp is set to fly again. You can see it there on your screen coming on from Chicago where it's getting inflated. We'll bring you more on that next.
Welcome back to CNN London. I'm Isa Soares, live outside Buckingham Palace for you this hour. President Trump will spend another day here (inaudible) state visit to Britain getting down to business.
He's holding a breakfast meeting with Theresa May, with the outgoing Prime Minister Theresa May and corporate leaders before sitting down with Mrs. May for trade talks.
The two will then hold a joint press conference before Mr. Trump has dinner at the U.S. ambassador's London resident with Prince Charles and his wife, the Duchess of Cornwall who will be representing the queen.
[04:35:00] While Trump's state visit has been two years in the making, it's proving to be as controversial as you can imagine as the man himself
Many in Britain are not happy he's here. And mass protests are expected (inaudible) roughly from 11 o'clock or so. A demonstration build as together against Trump will take place in London with many traveling in from outside the capital.
The leader of the opposition, Jeremy Corbyn, a man with his eyes on becoming the next U.K. prime minister is expected to address the crowds. And if you look up in London today, we're bringing the live images; you might see something familiar and something rather large and orange.
The Trump baby blimp that made its debut last year when the U.S. president last visited the shores should be -- it's getting inflated again right in these live mages coming to you from Trafalgar Square. And one of the blimp's organizers Zoe Gardner joins me now. (END VIDEOCLIP)
Zoe, looking at these live pictures of being inflated and this is Trafalgar Square, right?
ZOE GARDNER, BABY TRUMP BLIMP CO-ORGANIZER: Yes, it is.
SOARES: Talk to us because I remember last year when it was also inflated that I mean the photos, there was so many -- made pretty much every -- all the headlines.
SOARES: But last year you needed to raise money for a license. Did you have to do the same this year? How does it differ?
GARDNER: Actually, the crowd funded this year. This raised thousands and thousands of pounds. People have been really generous because this is about -- he's hilarious, he's so funny the blimp.
GARDNER: We love him. And he really gets up people's noses. But he makes a very serious point. And we were raising money actually this year with the crowd funder for six grassroots organizations.
Three based here in the U.K. and three based in the U.S. that are fighting against climate change, fighting for the rights for of migrants and they're fighting for women's sexual and reproductive rights.
So, although he is a bit of fun, he's actually got a really serious message behind him and he's supporting really important work that's going on in the ground (ph).
SOARES: Look, as we look this is -- these are old footage of the baby blimp, not the live images from Trafalgar Square. But you said it's a bit of fun but what are you trying to achieve with this baby blimp?
GARDNER: Well, I think what the blimp in particular has done is really caught the attention of the U.S. commentary and of the U.S. conversation.
SOARES: Sorry to interrupt Zoe, but we're seeing live pictures of the U.S. president Donald Trump's motorcade there. It's leaving just behind me in fact, just behind over my right shoulder.
We have these live images here behind our live position leaving Buckingham Palace and from there is going to St. James's Palace where they will be holding the meeting with business leaders from the U.K. and from the U.S. is the meeting with Theresa May.
(END VIDEOCLIP) Substantial talks, many issues that are being discussed, we've heard today this is President Trump's first official engagement. But we're seeing President Trump's motorcade just passing our live shot position here--
--making it's way to St. James's Palace for that first -- second day where it goes from pomp to politics with Theresa May as well as other business leaders from the U.K. and United States.
Expect Theresa May to talk perhaps about climate change, Huawei, potentially even Iran. So, going up the mall there we're looking at those live images. It's going to be a busy day for President Trump, a lot to be discussed on the question of perhaps trade deal.
The U.K. wanting assurances there of what a trade deal with the U.S. would look like. And at the moment he won't see, he won't come face to face with that baby blimp because that baby blimp hasn't yet been inflated.
But you do think that the crowds will be large compared?
GARDNER: Yes. Well, we think that thousands and thousands of people are going to come out. We don't know from as many will manage as last year because obviously it's a Tuesday and last year it was a Friday.
We had two weeks of stories abut Trump caging children leading up to that where as this year we've had so much to do with our own European politics. So, but we do know from the polls that the support remains the same, that people in the country really, really dislike Trump.
And really are just outraged at his policies, stripping citizenship rights from the children of gay couples, the adopted children of gay couples; that kind of thing really doesn't sit well with anyone in the British public across the political spectrum.
We're very, very unhappy to see our government lay out the red carpet, give him all these honors. It doesn't seem right to us at all. And we're very apposed to that type of politics of bigotry.
SOARES: And today we're expecting to hear from these protests taking place across London, central London starting at Trafalgar Square, I believe to hear from Jeremy Corbyn, the leader opposition.
SOARES: He's expected to speak--
GARDNER: Jeremy Corbyn is going to speak.
SOARES: -- and take part in these protests.
GARDNER: And so are members from all the other opposition parties. Actually last year, lots of tourists were also very apposed to--
SOARES: Not this year though.
GARDNER: No, oddly enough because of something else going on in the party or in domestic politics. They don't feel able to speak up this year so easily. But as I say, it really does (inaudible) support from across the spectrum. And we've also got great speakers from loads f different grassroots organizations.
Mainly people who represent the specific groups that Trump's policies targets. So we've got loads of migrants, loads of women, loads of people of color, Muslims.
SOARES: And I also saw there's handmaids (ph) versus Trump.
GARDNER: There is, there's handmaids versus Trump -- we've got a chlorinated chicken block where we've got people in full chicken suits going to ...
SOARES: Right. And this of course for our viewers is that the fact over the week we heard from the U.S. Ambassador here in the U.K. basically saying when it comes to trade talks, potentially anti (ph) (inaudible) will be on the table. Also, agriculture and this idea of a lower standards when it comes to chlorinated chicken in the United States.
I want to ask you though, the baby balloon, but I don't think we've got the pictures, the live pictures anymore, just talking to our product there, Tim (ph), but explain to our viewers around the world what that can achieve, because it is, when you look at it, it makes you laugh, it's funny, but your message is much stronger than that.
GARDNER: Yes, well I think that it grabs attention. I mean, so you know it's a large personality.
SOARES: Describe -- describe -- describe -- there's a live picture, they're still inflating. I'm guising it takes a while to inflate.
GARDNER: It does, it takes a few hours.
SOARES: How big is it?
GARDNER: I'm not sure. It's -- it looks big when you're next to it. When you can see it nearly relative to the (inaudible) blows up.
SOARES: And really it's -- it's a nappy -- in a ...
GARDNER: It's in a nappy, it's got a mobile phone in his hand where he's probably tweeting angrily. It's got his angry face, his trademark orange skin and yellow hair. So, it's political satire, it's childish, it's funny and I think that on the one hand we sort of need something like that to remind us that there's some fun in the one that -- that protesting this about celebrating our diversity and about -- we call it a carnival of resistance. It's about a celebration, it's about coming together that we are stronger than the hatred and the division and the bigotry, all of this hate that we've seen across Europe, we see it in the U.K. here too ...
SOARES: A carnival of resistance?
SOARES: And it's starting in Trafalgar Square and its going?
GARDNER: We're going down -- wait (ph), we'll -- also we'll be outside of Number 10, hopefully around the same time where -- when Trump himself is there and then we'll end up in Parliament Square as well.
SOARES: Zoe, thank you very much. Zoe Gardner there. Thank you.
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Now, you are watching CNN NEWSROOM. Still to come, scenes of chaos are playing out in Sudan as peaceful protesters try to resist a violent crackdown. What the military says after dozens of civilians were killed. I have the story coming up.
And a rescue effort, sadly may be turning into a recovery operation in the Himalayas. What we're learning about a team of eight missing climbers. Ahead, we'll bring those stories after a very short break. Do stay right here with CNN.
SOARES: Now, President Donald Trump, we're going to show you some live pictures actually, coming in from St. James Palace. You're looking at live pictures of Theresa May, she's hosting a breakfast with business leaders from both the U.K. and the United States. These are top CEOs really from both countries preparing for a post Brexit reality.
We know that this meeting is going to be Theresa May's calling for substantial talks here at this breakfast meetings with business leaders. We could possibly hear Theresa May -- let's listen in if we can, if we can hear anything.
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THERESA MAY, PRIME MINISTER OF BRITAIN: ... a good financial agreement, but also I think there will be a wider economic (ph) partnership for the -- for the future as well. And working together and continuing to work together in underpinning (ph) (inaudible) influence (ph) in the global economy, the rules on which that's based and it's institutions, because we believe in keeping markets really fair and open. And keeping our industries and our businesses competitive.
And I think there are huge opportunities for us to seize (ph) together in the future and challenges for us to work together to tackle on as well. And the opportunity today is that we're going to be able to look at how we do both of those.
In a few moments I will ask Sir Roger Carr to start the discussion, but first of all, I'd like to ask you, Mr. President, if you would like to open with any thoughts.
DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Well, thank you very much Prime Minister, I appreciate it. I very much appreciate the relationship we've had. It's been outstanding and I guess some people know that, some people don't, but you and I know it. But, it's been really a very good relationship and I appreciate it very much.
We are your largest partner, you're our largest partner. A lot of people don't know that. I was surprised, I made that statement yesterday and a lot of people said, gee, I didn't know that, but that's the way it is.
And there's an opportunity, I think, a great opportunity to greatly enlarge that, especially now in light of what's happening, to tremendously enlarge that, make it much bigger, the trading relationship.
So, we're going to be working on that today and even a little bit tomorrow and probably into the next couple of weeks, but I think we'll have a very, very substantial trade deal. It'll be a very fair deal and I think that this is something that your folks want to do, my folks want to do and we want to do and we're going to get it done.
I'd just like to congratulate you on having done a fantastic job on behalf of the people of the United States and it's an honor to have worked with you and I don't know exactly what your timing is, but stick around, let's do this deal.
We thank you very much. Thank you very much.
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SOARES: So, you're seeing live pictures coming to you from St. James Palace. Theresa May sitting on one side of the table, the right hand side. The Prime Minister -- U.S. President Donald Trump, sitting on his left. His daughter, Ivanka Trump was there. Business leaders on both sides, U.K. business leaders, British business leaders as well as also U.S. business leaders.
Theresa May, as we heard very -- she said that she expects a wider economic partnership. President Trump went on to say it's going be a very -- very great relationship and he had said, we expect much -- a much bigger trading relationship and very, very substantial -- very, very substantial trade deal for something the U.K. has been wanting to hear for some time, given that it's leaving the European Union or maybe it's not, but that's what it's planning to do.
And looking at that trade deal with the United States, he, President Trump said, we're going to get it done. He then congratulated Theresa May, the Prime Minister, she's stepping down this Friday as prime minister and he made a joke to her that perhaps she should stick around.
And he said, I'm not sure what your timings is like, but stick around to get that trade deal done. So, that business meeting begins now. It's expect -- we don't know how long it's expected to last.
But, the CEOs meeting from both sides, looking at the relationship between the U.S., probably, possibly talking about climate change, even Huawei and even the question of Iran. So, a lot to be talking about. Yesterday about the pomp, today is about politics and potentially be talking about what the difference is between both countries on some of those top issues.
Of course, we keep on top of all the live images and any noise that comes out -- news that comes out of that meeting and we shall bring it to you.
Now, a search team in the Indian Himalayas says it has spotted five bodies, dimming hopes they might find eight missing climbers alive. And official says, it's likely the group was caught up in a huge avalanche at an altitude of about 5,000 meters.
Authorities are working on a recovery plan. The climbers were part of a 12 person expedition that hoped to scale Nanda Devi East in the Himalayas. Facebook posts show some of them may have tried to reach a different peak without permission.
CNN's Nikhil Kumar, live for us in New Delhi. Nikhil, what's the latest on the search and what you're hearing?
NIKHIL KUMAR, CNN REPORTER: Well, Isa, as you said officials here believe that all of these eight climbers have been missing since the 25th of May, that they we're caught up in this massive avalanche that took place on an unnamed peak near the Nanda Devi Mountain, now the whole group of twelve, they had permission to go up Nanda Devi's, but officials now believe that these eight ventured to this unnamed peak, they got caught in this avalanche, yesterday on Monday morning, a chopper went up, it took photographs, in those photographs officials saw five bodies, they were scattered away from each other, they also noticed a bag -- a backpack. They believe that the other three climbers are buried under the snow; that the rest of the equipment is there as well.
Now, conditions are still bad, officials are concerned about further avalanches, the weather has not been very helpful, it's been raining, it's been very windy, and so ground teams are waiting to go in to recover the bodies, but that won't happen immediately, they're still making an assessment, they're getting their logistics in order. I know the next few days, they hope to go in and recover these bodies, and that's the sad development here, that this was a search operation, even until Sunday, I spoke to a top official there on the ground, they we're very, very hopeful of finding these climbers, now it's switched gears to a recovery operation and we expect that to happen in the next few days when they go to this unnamed peak to bring back the bodies that they've spotted, Isa.
SOARES: Nikhil Kumar, do keep us abreast the situation, more news develops, do come back so we are up to date on that really heartbreaking story. Thank you, Nikhil. We'll have much more to come on day two of Donald Trumps state visit to Britain, which kicked off with him insulting the London Mayor, who is playing touchdown (ph) on Monday, but Sadiq can draw some comfort for being called nasty by the President, he shares the honors with the Duchess, we'll have more on that, next.
SOARES: Now it is a second day of President Trumps three day state visit to Britain and Mr. Trump has already started his day by spending his morning getting down to business, he's holding a breakfast meeting we saw in the last few minutes with the outgoing Prime Minister Theresa May and cooperate leaders from both the U.S. and the U.K., I can tell the CEO's (ph) from the likes of GlaxoSmithKline, National Grid, black (ph) Barclays (ph), JP Morgan from the U.S., Goldman Sachs, as well as Lockheed Martin, among some of the others. Before sitting down with Ms. May, or of course -- for trade talks we heard him talk about very substantial, very, very substantial trade deals, what we heard from the President. President Trump and Theresa May will then hold a joint press conference before Mr. Trump has dinner at the U.S. Ambassadors London residence with Prince Charles and his wife the Duchess of Cornwall who will be representing the Queen. Now, the U.S. President has ruffled a lot of feathers once again on this trip
SOARES: To the U.K., even before leaving the U.S., this time, flinging one of his favorite insults at the Duchess of Sussex. As Jeanne Moos now explains.
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JEANNE MOOS, REPORTER, CNN: Hold onto your hat, this is going to get nasty. The nastiness started when President Trump was asked about things Megan Markle said about him as a candidate.
MEGAN MARKLE, DUCHESS OF SUSSEX: Misogynistic as Trump is and so vocal about it
REPORTER: She said she'd move to Canada if you got elected, turned out, she moved to Britain.
DONALD TRUMP, US PRESIDENT: What can I say? No, I didn't know that she was nasty. MOOS: He also praised her saying it's nice to have an American
Princess and he's sure she'll be excellent, then in a tweet the President said I never called Megan Markle nasty.
TRUMP: No, I didn't know that she was nasty.
MOOS: He later called the Mayor of London nasty, after the Mayor wrote a harsh op-ed about it. President Trump is pretty much an equal opportunity attacker when it comes to flinging the word nasty. He's called Marco Rubio nasty as well as Jeb Bush and Ted Cruz. Even his current buddy Lindsey Graham, but most famously he used the word to describe Hilary Clinton during the same debate in which he said --
TRUMP: Nobody has more respect for women than I do. Nobody.
MOOS: But when Hilary made a crack about Trump avoiding paying taxes.
HILIARY CLINTION, POLITICIAN: Assuming he can't figure out how to get out of it, but what we want to do is to replenish the social security trust --
TRUMP: Such a nasty woman.
MOOS: Nasty woman became a badge of honor plastered on hats and t- shirts.
KATHRYN BERTHOLD, ACTRESS: Go to Hilary Clinton dot com and buy a limited edition Nasty Woman mug.
MOOS: Trump has made nasty references about Elizabeth Warren and the Mayor of San Juan Puerto Rico who responded by wearing the insult.
CARMEN CRUZ, MAYOR, PUERTO RICO: I was a nasty mayor.
MOOS: But now there's a new nasty woman, after Kamala Harris grilled the attorney general.
KAMALA HARRIS, POLITICIAN: Yes or no, please, sir.
MOOS: The President dropped the nasty bomb on Harris, twice.
TRUMP: Well, she was probably very nasty. A little bit of nasty wit.
REPORTER: What's that about?
HARRIS: God only knows.
MOOS: Clearly nasty is one of the Presidents best words.
TRUMP: Such a nasty woman.
MOOS: Jeanne Moos, CNN, New York. (END VIDEO CLIP)
SOARES: Maybe it's a badge of honor to be nasty in this case. Thanks very much for watching, I'll be back with you in the next hour, Ms (ph) Suarez with more news out of the meeting between President Trump and Theresa May here after a very short break, you are watching CNN.