CNN - Simpson Civil Trial

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1 SANTA MONICA, CALIFORNIA; MONDAY, OCTOBER 28, 1996; 3 DEPARTMENT NO. WEQ HON. HIROSHI FUJISAKI, JUDGE 4 5(REGINA D. CHAVEZ, OFFICIAL REPORTER) 7 8 ROBERT RISKE, 9 called as a witness on behalf of the plaintiffs, was 10 duly sworn and testified as follows: 11THE CLERK: You do solemnly swear that the 12 testimony you may give in the cause now pending before 13 this court shall be the truth, the whole truth, and 14 nothing but the truth, so help you God? 15THE WITNESS: I do. 16THE CLERK: Please, state and spell both your 17 first and your last names for the record. 18THE WITNESS: Robert Riske: R-O-B-E-R-T, 19 R-I-S-K-E. 20THE CLERK: Thank you. 21 22 DIRECT EXAMINATION 23 BY MR. KELLY: 24Q. Good morning, Officer. 25A. Good morning. 26Q. Officer Riske, are you currently 27 employed? 28A. Yes. 1Q. And who are you employed by? 2A. Police officer for the City of Los 3 Angeles. 4Q. And how long have you been so employed? 5A. About six and a half years. 6Q. And on June 13, 1994, were you also 7 employed by the Los Angeles Police Department at that 8 time? 9A. Yes, I was. 10Q. And what was your assignment with the 11 police department at that time? 12A. I was assigned to patrol. 13Q. Okay. And prior to working for the Los 14 Angeles Police Department, in what capacity were you 15 employed? 16A. I was in the Navy for six and a half 17 years. 18Q. Now, going back to June 13, 1994, you 19 said you were assigned to patrol? 20A. Yes. 21Q. And out of what district were you 22 assigned to patrol? 23A. West L.A. 24Q. Okay. And when you say you were assigned 25 to patrol, did you wear a uniform? 26A. Yes. 27Q. And what type of vehicle did you drive at 28 that time, as part of your assignment? 1A. Marked black and white. 2Q. Is that one of those cars with the lights 3 on top -- 4A. Yes. 5Q. -- and police markings? 6A. (Witness nods affirmatively.) 7Q. Now, drawing your attention to June 13, 8 1994, do you recall what your tour of duty was that 9 day? 10A. Just I was assigned to Brentwood area. 11Q. And what were the hours of your duty that 12 day? 13A. From 11:15 to -- I'm sorry. From 10:30 14 to 7:15. 15Q. Was that 10:30 p.m. on June 12 -- 16A. Right. 17Q. -- 1994, to 7:15 -- 18A. 7:15. 19Q. -- on the 13th. Okay. 20 Now, at approximately 12:09 a.m. on June 21 13, 1994, did you receive a radio call in your car? 22A. Yes, I did. 23Q. And what was the substance of that radio 24 call? 25A. I believe it was a prowler, a burglary 26 suspect at 874 South Bundy. 27Q. And was there anybody in the car with you 28 at that time? 1A. Just my partner. 2Q. And what was his name? 3A. Mike Terrazas. 4Q. As a result of that radio call that you 5 received at 1209 what if anything did you do next? 6A. We drove to 874 South Bundy and we were 7 flagged down. 8Q. When you say you were flagged down, what 9 exactly did you observe upon arriving at 874 South 10 Bundy? 11A. I observed a male and female with a dog, 12 coming down the steps of 868, and they were waving us 13 down. 14Q. Now, did you approach Bundy from the 15 north or south? 16A. From Wilshire Boulevard, which would be 17 the south. 18Q. And you were heading north? 19A. Right. 20Q. And as you pulled up to 874 South Bundy, 21 which side of the street did you park on? 22A. On the east. 23Q. Okay. And after making these initial 24 observations, what did you do when you pulled up in 25 your patrol car? 26A. We exited our vehicle and made contact 27 with a female and male. 28Q. Okay. And other than the male and 1 female, was there anybody else there at this time? 2A. No. 3Q. And you also indicated there was a dog 4 with them, also? 5A. Yes. 6Q. Okay. Was that dog running loose or in 7 some other manner? 8A. It was on a leash. 9Q. Okay. And can you describe that dog for 10 me. 11A. I believe it was an Akita. 12Q. And did you make any observations as to 13 the Akita's condition as you approached the two people 14 with the dog? 15A. Not at that time, no. 16Q. Okay. After you had a conversation with 17 these two people, what, if anything, did you do next, 18 Officer? 19A. They directed us across the street. They 20 said there was a dead lady across the street. 21Q. And do you recall the area in which -- 22 vicinity -- they directed you? 23A. 875 South Bundy. 24Q. Okay. And as you approached 875 South 25 Bundy, could you describe the lighting conditions at 26 the front of 875 South Bundy at that time? 27A. It was very poor. 28Q. Dark? 1A. Dark. 2Q. Okay. And what about the foliage, if 3 any, around the entrance of 875 South Bundy? 4A. There is a large, overhanging tree over 5 the walkway. Made it even darker. 6Q. And were you able to see the front 7 entrance without utilizing your flashlight? 8A. No. 9Q. As you approached 857 South Bundy, where, 10 first, did you direct your attention to? 11A. Towards the grassy areas south of the 12 walkway. 13Q. And did you observe a walkway leading to 14 the front of 875? 15A. Not really. 16Q. Okay. So as I understand, you first went 17 to an area that went up to that walkway? 18A. Right. 19Q. Did you have your flashlight on at that 20 time? 21A. Yes, I did. 22Q. As you were in that grassy area to the 23 left of the sidewalk of 875 South Bundy, did you make 24 any observations, initially, at this time? 25A. No. 26Q. After your initial observations, which 27 there were none, what, if anything, did you do next, 28 Officer? 1A. The witnesses directed us to the walkway, 2 which would be to the north. 3Q. Okay. That would be to the right of the 4 area you were? 5A. Right. 6Q. Okay. What, if anything, did you do 7 after you were directed to that vicinity by the 8 witnesses? 9A. I looked down the walkway, using my 10 flashlight, and saw a female laying on the walkway. 11Q. Okay. Can you describe that female? 12A. Female, white and black dress, blond 13 hair. 14Q. And did you make any other observations 15 as to the area immediately surrounding that woman you 16 observed? 17A. There was blood approximately halfway 18 down the walkway. 19Q. Now, at that time, Officer, on making 20 those observations, would it be fair to say that you 21 recognized that area as a crime scene? 22A. Yes. 23Q. And being a patrol officer, having just 24 arrived at a crime scene, did you have any duties and 25 responsibilities at that time? 26A. I had called for additional units. We 27 set up for a crime scene, had a call for an ambulance 28 for the lady, called the supervisor. 1Q. And are there any other steps that you're 2 required to take in terms of first arriving at a crime 3 scene, also? 4A. We have to try to clear it for any 5 additional victims or suspects, identify and preserve 6 evidence. 7Q. And were you taking steps to do that 8 immediately upon these observations? 9A. Yes. 10Q. Okay. Now, after you had gone out and 11 dispatched for additional help and an ambulance, what, 12 if anything, did you do next? 13A. I advised my partner, "Grab a hold of the 14 witnesses, find out what they saw or how they found 15 the lady." 16 We recontacted them, and I observed a dog 17 to have blood on his legs. 18Q. The Akita you had observed earlier? 19A. Yes. 20Q. Now, after you made those observations, 21 what, if anything, did you do next, Officer? 22A. We went back across the street to 875 and 23 approached the female. I was approximately halfway up 24 the walkway, and before, in the foliage next to the 25 walkway, and I saw the male leaning against the north 26 fence. 27MR. KELLY: See if I can have 32, please. 28 Could you make it a little more distant. 1THE COURT: That's good. Just like that. 2Q. (BY MR. KELLY) Now, Officer, are you 3 able to see that photo that's up there right now? 4A. Yes. 5Q. Could you indicate, first of all for the 6 ladies and gentlemen of the jury, where you had first 7 focused your attention the first time you approached 8 875 South Bundy, through a pointer on the podium? 9A. You can't see it on this photograph; it's 10 like over here, there's a grassy area. 11Q. That's where you first went? 12A. Initially? Right. 13Q. Now, you indicated that you had called 14 for backup and a supervisor and an ambulance as you 15 approached a second time, also? 16A. Right. 17Q. And could you indicate where you 18 approached at that time? 19A. I walked through these plants up to the 20 call box there. 21Q. And did you at any time step on that 22 walkway going up to 875? 23A. No, I didn't. 24Q. Did your partner step on that walkway 25 going up to 875? 26A. No, he didn't. 27Q. Now, you also indicated that when you got 28 approximately halfway up there, you had made 1 additional observations? 2A. Yes, that's correct. 3Q. What was that? 4A. I saw the body of Mr. Goldman leaning 5 against the north fence. 6Q. In that photo, as it appears there, there 7 appears to be blood that's running all the way down to 8 the front sidewalk there. 9 Was that the way it appeared when you 10 arrived there at 12:13 on June 13 -- 11A. No. 12Q. -- 1994? 13 Could you indicate with your pointer 14 approximately how far down the blood had run when you 15 arrived there that morning. 16A. About the midpoint. 17MR. KELLY: Now, this next photo might be 18 difficult to look at, also. I Just want you to put up 19 38, Steve. 20Q. (BY MR. KELLY) Now, do you recognize 21 that photo, Officer Riske? 22A. Yes, I do. 23Q. And what do you recognize that to be? 24A. That would be the body of Mr. Goldman, as 25 I saw him that night. 26Q. Okay. And where were you located when 27 you first made that observation? 28A. I was standing in the foliage next to the 1 call box. 2Q. And did you attempt to get any closer at 3 that time when you made that observation? 4A. No, I didn't. 5MR. KELLY: Steve, could you make that a little 6 more distant, please. 7 That's good. 8Q. (BY MR. KELLY) Now, in addition to the 9 young male you saw in that photo there, did you make 10 any other observations at that time? 11A. There's some articles of evidence in this 12 picture. 13Q. And did you observe them at this time 14 when you had approached the front call box on the lot? 15A. Yes, I did. 16Q. Can you tell me, first of all, what 17 additional items you observed at that point? 18A. The envelope. There's a glove and a hat 19 underneath the plant (witness indicates). 20Q. Okay. First of all, could you point out 21 the envelope, please. 22A. (Witness indicates.) 23Q. And is that located exactly where it was 24 when you observed it that morning? 25A. Yes. 26Q. And secondly, could you point out the 27 glove you observed. 28A. This is a bad photo. You can't really 1 see. It's in the same -- it's in that area, but you 2 can't see it clearly. 3MR. KELLY: Could you bring it up closer. 4 Steve. 5A. That would be the glove right there. 6 (Indicating.) 7Q. (BY MR. KELLY) Okay. And are you able 8 to see a portion of that hat, also, in that picture? 9A. I believe the hat is up here a little 10 farther. 11Q. If we go down to the lower right, 12 maybe -- 13MR. BLASIER: Objection. Leading. 14THE COURT: Sustained. 15A. Can't really see in that picture. 16Q. (BY MR. KELLY) If I might, if -- can you 17 step up here for a moment, Officer. 18 I direct your attention down to that area 19 there. 20A. Right. 21Q. Okay. 22 Now, upon a closer look, do you recall 23 where you observed the hat at this time? 24A. Yes. 25Q. Where would that be? 26A. In the lower right. 27Q. Can you indicate one more time -- 28 MR. KELLY: Steve, could you back up a 1 little bit. 2Q. (BY MR. KELLY) Now, can you indicate 3 once again where the hat was, Officer? 4A. It's in the lower right. 5Q. Now, in addition to making those 6 observations, did you make any others in terms of 7 potential evidence in that immediate vicinity at this 8 time? 9A. Yes. 10Q. And what was that? 11A. There appeared to be a bloody heel mark 12 in the walkway and bloody footprints leading up the 13 steps toward the house. 14Q. The bloody heel print, does that appear in 15 that picture there? 16A. Can't really see it. 17Q. And with regard to the bloody footprints 18 going up the stairs, was that towards the house? 19A. Towards the house. 20Q. Did you observe any bloody footprints in 21 the front sidewalk, going away from the house? 22A. No, I didn't. 23Q. What, if anything, did you do, Officer, 24 after making this second observation near -- the 25 second time you approached the front gate? 26A. I saw the bloody footprints leading 27 towards the front of the house and observed the front 28 door to be open, and I assumed that the footprints 1 probably went inside. So my partner and I stepped 2 over the body and went to the front door. 3Q. When you stepped over the body, can you 4 describe for us exactly how you were able to do that? 5A. Stay to the far left of the walkway, 6 against the fence. 7MR. KELLY: Steve, can you take that picture 8 down, first of all. I'm sorry. 9 (Steve complies) 10A. And went up on a landing, toward the 11 front door. 12Q. And did anybody accompany you at that 13 time? 14A. My partner. 15Q. Who was? 16A. Officer Terrazas. 17Q. And what, if anything, did you observe as 18 you approached the front door at that time? 19A. I observed the footprints that continued 20 westbound through the walkway, past the house. 21Q. And did you observe anything other than 22 bloody footprints before you reached the front door? 23A. There was a drop of blood. It was on the 24 left of the footprint. I forget exactly where it was. 25Q. That was before you reached the front 26 door? 27A. Right. 28Q. And when you arrived at the front door, 1 was it opened or closed? 2A. It was opened. 3Q. And did the bloody footprints appear to 4 head towards the door and continue to the back? 5A. They continued westbound on the walkway. 6Q. As you approached the door, also, was 7 there any indication of a forced entry on that door? 8A. No. 9Q. What, if anything, did you do next as you 10 arrived at the door, Officer? 11A. We entered the residence on the landing, 12 to see if there was any evidence of ransacking or any 13 evidence of blood in the house. 14Q. Did you see any doors open? 15A. No. 16Q. Any cupboards open? 17A. No. 18Q. Any furniture overturned? 19A. No. 20Q. Any sign of ransacking? 21A. No. 22Q. Any indication that the crime scene 23 extended inside the house? 24A. No. 25Q. Any bloody footprints? 26A. No. 27Q. Any drops of blood? 28A. No. 1Q. Anybody in the house at this time? 2A. At that time, we didn't check the whole 3 house, no. 4Q. What, if anything, did you observe after 5 that? 6A. I observed a lithograph on the wall. It 7 appeared to be O.J. Simpson. And as I went to the 8 kitchen, there was an envelope, it had O.J. Simpson as 9 a return address. 10Q. What did you do next, after making those 11 observations? 12A. I used a phone to call my watch 13 commander. 14Q. Who was your watch commander? 15A. Sergeant David Rossi. 16Q. Now, you usually carry what's called a 17 "rover," do you not? 18A. Yes. 19Q. And what is a rover? 20A. It's a radio, like a walkie-talkie. 21Q. And would that have put you in 22 communication with your watch commander, also? 23A. Yes. 24Q. And you chose not to use that at that 25 time? 26A. Yes. 27Q. And why was that? 28A. Because the media has scanners and they 1 scan our frequency. If I would have used my radio, 2 told them exactly what I had, the media would have got 3 there before anybody else. 4Q. After you made this phone call, what, if 5 anything, did you do next? 6A. I went back outside, told my partner to 7 grab the witnesses, and I went around down the 8 walkway, around the north side in the neighbor's yard. 9Q. If I can hold up a little bit. How did 10 you exit the house then? 11A. Through the front door and down the 12 landing. 13Q. And how did you go down the landing and 14 the walkway, once again? 15A. Staying to the far left, away from the 16 blood, stepped over the female. 17Q. To the best of your knowledge, did you 18 ever put your foot in the blood at any time? 19A. No. 20Q. Did you ever observe your partner? 21A. No. 22Q. And when you headed back out that 23 sidewalk, was it in the same bushy area to the south 24 side of the sidewalk? 25A. We just stepped over the bushes and went 26 through the grass. 27Q. What, avoiding the sidewalk at all times? 28A. Yes. 1Q. As you arrived back out on the street, 2 then, after exiting the house, what, if any further 3 action, did you take? 4A. I personally went north in the neighbor's 5 yard, to the north of the male body, and observed the 6 pager laying on the ground. And I checked to see if 7 he was alive. 8Q. First of all, how did you approach the 9 vicinity north of the enclosed area when you went 10 there? 11A. A dirt path that leads back to the fence. 12Q. Is that a clear path? 13A. Clear as a path with nothing on it. 14Q. And did you have your flashlight on at 15 that point? 16A. Yes, I did. 17Q. Were you using it at that point? 18A. Yes. 19Q. In what manner were you using the 20 flashlight as you approached that area north of the 21 gated area of 875 South Bundy? 22A. I shined it on the ground and in the 23 bushes, make sure I didn't mess up any evidence. 24Q. Were you looking for additional evidence, 25 if any? 26A. Yes. 27Q. Did you see any evidence prior to 28 arriving at the gate, on the outside, on the north 1 side? 2A. Just his pager, or a pager. 3Q. Did you look in the vicinity elsewhere 4 outside the gated area, also, north of the enclosed 5 area? 6A. Yes, I did. 7Q. And did you look in the vicinity east of 8 the gated area towards the front of 875 Bundy with 9 your flashlight, also? 10A. Yes. 11Q. When you say you were using a flashlight, 12 Officer, what type of flashlight is that, by the way? 13A. It's extremely light; it's aluminum. 14 It's about 30,000 candle power. 15Q. That's standard police issue. 16A. You have to buy it yourself. 17 (Laughter.) 18Q. Standard police issue if you pay for it? 19A. Standard police issue would be plastic. 20Q. Okay. So this was much stronger than a 21 standard police-issue flashlight? 22A. Right. 23Q. Powerful flashlight? 24A. Right. 25Q. You personally bought it for that reason? 26A. Right. 27Q. Now, after approaching on the north side 28 there, in making these observations in the immediate 1 vicinity, what, if anything, did you do next? 2A. I checked Mr. Goldman to see if he was 3 alive. 4Q. And was he? 5A. No. 6Q. And in what manner did you check? 7A. I touched his eyeball with my finger, 8 checking for involuntary blinking, or I used my light 9 to illuminate his pupil. And there was no dilation or 10 anything. 11Q. And you were still on the north side, 12 outside the gated area, at this point? 13A. That's correct. 14Q. And at that point, where you're with your 15 light, were you able to observe the glove you had seen 16 earlier, also? 17A. Yes. 18Q. And the hat? 19A. I believe the bush was covering the hat. 20Q. Were you able to see any other items of 21 what appeared to you to be evidence at this time, when 22 you shined your light around? 23A. No. 24Q. And then did -- did you leave that area? 25A. Yes, I did. 26Q. And what did you do next? 27A. I went back out to the street. As I did 28 so, Officer Wally and officer McGowan arrived. 1Q. And did anybody else? 2A. Initially, just those. And then Sergeant 3 Coon arrived a couple of seconds later. 4Q. When Wally and McGowan arrived, were they 5 patrol officers, also -- 6A. Yes. 7Q. -- in uniform? 8A. Yes. 9Q. Driving a black and white? 10A. Yes. 11Q. And where did they park their car? 12A. On the west side of the street, north of, 13 probably, 873. 14Q. That's on the same side as 875 South 15 Bundy? 16A. Right. 17Q. And shortly after they arrived, did 18 someone else arrive there, also? 19A. Sergeant Coon. 20Q. And by the way, Sergeant Coon, that's not 21 the same one from the Rodney King case? 22A. No. 23Q. Okay. Now, when he arrived, did you have 24 a discussion with him? 25A. Yes. 26Q. And what, if anything, did you tell them? 27A. I just told them we had a double 28 homicide, and where I was, basically. And Sergeant 1 Coon gave out marching orders. 2Q. What were the marching orders that 3 Sergeant Coon gave out? 4A. Officer Terrazas was at the rear 5 location, to secure the rear. Officer McGowan started 6 setting up crime-scene tape, and Officer Wally and I 7 entered the house and searched it. 8Q. Taking these one step at a time, did you 9 see how Officer Terrazas left for the rear of the 10 house? 11A. He left southbound, Bundy and Dorothy. 12Q. And Dorothy up to the alleyway? 13A. I saw him go southbound on Bundy. 14Q. And did you see McGowan start setting up 15 the crime-scene tape? 16A. Yes. 17Q. By the way, prior to June 13, 1994, had 18 you been the first officer on the scene on prior 19 occasions? 20A. Yes. 21Q. Approximately how many times? 22A. To crime scenes? 23Q. Yeah. 24A. Twenty. 25Q. And how many of those 20 crime scenes 26 were actually homicides? 27A. Fifteen. 28Q. All right. And at those 15 homicides, 1 was it your primary responsibility of identifying 2 evidence and observing a crime scene? 3A. Yes. 4Q. Now, going back to Officer McGowan, did 5 you see him actually start using the crime-scene tape 6 to secure the front of 875 South Bundy? 7A. Yes, I did. 8MR. KELLY: Steve, may I see 133, please. 9 Bring it a little more in focus, if 10 possible. 11Q. (BY MR. KELLY) Officer, do you recognize 12 that location? 13A. Yes. 14Q. Is that the front of 875 South Bundy? 15A. Yes, it is. 16Q. I was wondering if you could step down a 17 minute; it might be easier for you to point out a 18 couple things. The pointer is behind you there. 19 Once again, can you indicate when you 20 first arrived at the scene, you spoke to those two 21 people, when you first looked for the body you had 22 been directed to. 23A. In the grassy area, over here. 24 (Indicating.) 25Q. And later on, you had indicated that when 26 you came out of the house the second time, you were 27 going to the sidewalk north of 875 South Bundy, to 28 approach the gated area from the outside? 1A. It was a dirt path, not a sidewalk. 2Q. Well, do you see that area there? 3A. It's like, right in here. (Indicating.) 4Q. That's where you proceeded up and 5 observed Mr. Goldman? 6A. Yes. 7Q. Okay. Thank you. You may have a seat. 8 The way that crime-scene tape, that's the 9 way it was taped off that morning after McGowan was 10 done? 11A. Yes. There's actually two separate areas 12 were taped. 13Q. And if I could see . . . 14 Do you recognize that photograph, 15 Officer? 16A. Yes. 17Q. And what is that? 18A. That's the rear alley of 875 Bundy. 19Q. And the crime-scene tape -- first of all, 20 that yellow tape is the crime-scene tape, is it not? 21A. Yes. 22Q. And that tape that is closest to us, do 23 you know what is standing across there? 24A. It's the foot of the alley of Dorothy. 25Q. And there's crime-scene tape down at that 26 distance, also? 27A. Right. 28Q. Where is that located relative to 875 1 South Bundy? 2A. That's the rear of one house north of 875 3 South Bundy. 4Q. Can you just point out that tape that you 5 see at the far end. 6A. (Witness complies, indicating.) 7Q. There's a black-and-white patrol car in 8 that photo, also. Is that inside the tape or outside? 9A. It's outside the tape. 10Q. And do you recognize the individual in 11 that picture, also? 12A. That's me. 13Q. And where are you standing relative to 14 the rear of 875 South Bundy? 15A. To the rear of the driveway. 16Q. After the front and rear had been secured 17 of this crime scene with the tape you indicated that 18 you and Police Officer Wally did something that 19 Sergeant Coon -- 20A. We searched the house while the 21 crime-scene tape was being set up. 22Q. And can you describe for us the manner in 23 which you entered and searched the house with Officer 24 Wally? 25A. We went in the grassy area, stepped over 26 the body of the female at the landing of the front 27 door. 28Q. Upon entering the front of the house, 1 what did you do then? 2A. We searched the lower level, back to the 3 garage. Then we went up to the second level and 4 searched that. 5Q. Can you describe exactly how you went 6 through the first level of the house? 7A. We went -- we checked the living room 8 farthest east. Then we went back to the garage, went 9 down and checked in the garage. 10Q. Did you -- in the living room, do you 11 recall what living -- what room you went into next? 12A. The dining room, then the kitchen. 13Q. The kitchen where you made the phone 14 call, by the way? 15A. Yes. 16Q. Okay. 17MR. KELLY: Can I see . . . 18Q. (BY MR. KELLY) Do you recognize that 19 photo there, Officer? 20A. That's the kitchen of 875 South Bundy. 21Q. That's where you made the call to 22 Sergeant Rossi? 23A. Right. You can't see it; there's a 24 counter on this side you can't see. 25Q. To the left of that picture? 26A. Right. 27Q. That's where the phone was? 28A. Right. Yes. 1Q. That's where you made the call. 2MR. KELLY: You can take that down. 3Q. (BY MR. KELLY) After you went through 4 the kitchen with Officer Walsh, where did you proceed 5 to next? 6A. To the rear of the residence. That's a 7 family-room area. Searched that. Then we went down 8 to the garage. 9Q. And did you make any observations as you 10 approached the garage? 11A. There's a couple of ice creams sitting on 12 a bannister. 13Q. Did you touch that at all? 14A. No. 15Q. Did you touch anything on the first 16 floor, as you went through the house? 17A. No. 18Q. By the way, as you went through the 19 house, did you observe any signs of ransacking, 20 disturbance, blood, bloody footprints, drops of blood 21 anywhere on the first floor of the house? 22A. No, I didn't. 23Q. And when you arrived at the garage, you 24 went through the garage, also? 25A. Yes. 26Q. What, if anything, did you observe in 27 there? 28A. Just a car. Nothing really out of 1 ordinary. 2Q. Nothing disturbed? 3A. No. 4Q. Where did you proceed to next? 5A. It was a laundry room, and then I believe 6 a maid's quarters are downstairs, checked them. Then 7 I went up to the second floor. 8Q. What did you observe up there? 9A. Observed two children asleep in their 10 beds. 11Q. Were these children in the same room or 12 separate rooms? 13A. Separate. 14Q. And were they both asleep at that time? 15A. Yes. 16Q. Were you able to make any observations as 17 to the approximate age of these two children? 18A. Just minors. 19Q. Young? 20A. Young. 21Q. Under 10? 22A. I would assume. 23Q. And were the doors open or closed to each 24 of their rooms? 25A. Open. 26Q. And did you wake the children at this 27 time? 28A. No. 1Q. After observing the children, what next? 2A. We continued eastbound and checked out 3 the master bedroom, master bath. There was a workout 4 area. 5Q. What, if any, observations did you make 6 in the master bedroom? 7A. There was a TV on. I believe there was a 8 table lamp on. The covers on the bed were kind of 9 piled in the middle. 10Q. The bed wasn't made, was it? 11A. No. 12Q. You also indicated you went into the 13 master bathroom? 14A. Right. 15Q. What observations did you make in there? 16A. The tub was full of water, and there were 17 some candles burning to the west of that. 18Q. Do you recall how many candles were 19 burning at this time? 20A. Three. 21Q. Did you blow them out at all? 22A. No. 23Q. Did you touch them? 24A. No. 25Q. Did you touch the water in the bathtub? 26A. No. 27Q. Did you let the water out of that 28 bathtub? 1A. No. 2Q. Was there any sign of any struggle, 3 ransacking, dishevelment in the house as you went 4 through it at this time? 5A. No. 6Q. No indication that the crime scene 7 extended to the second floor in any way? 8A. No. 9Q. After going through the second floor, 10 what, if any, action did you take next with Officer 11 Walsh? 12A. Went up on the roof -- there's a patio up 13 there -- and checked that. And then Officer Walsh 14 stayed by the children's bedrooms, and I went down and 15 told my supervisor we had two children in the house. 16 And we had to take them out the back. 17Q. Who was your supervisor? 18A. Sergeant Coon. 19Q. And where did you meet him at? 20A. He was down in the grassy area. I was on 21 the landing. I just yelled to him. 22Q. And after you told him that, what, if 23 anything, did you do next? 24A. I walked westbound on the walkway, to the 25 rear gate. 26Q. Now, facing the front of 875 South Bundy, 27 this walkway you're referring to, where is it in 28 relation to the front of the house? 1A. It's to the north of the front of the 2 house. 3Q. Would that be to the right of it? 4A. Right. 5Q. And does that walkway extend all the way 6 from the front of the house to the rear alley? 7A. Yes. 8Q. And is that a level walkway, or is it 9 different levels? 10A. No, there's different levels. 11Q. And as you started back that walkway, did 12 you have your flashlight on or off? 13A. On. 14Q. And at that time, did you make any 15 observations as you started back on the walkway? 16A. I observed what appeared to be bloody 17 footprints continue westbound, and they faded 18 approximately halfway, and observed what appeared to 19 be blood drops. 20Q. And you indicated earlier that when you 21 first approached the front door, you had also seen 22 bloody footprints and a blood drop to the left of 23 those footprints; is that right? 24A. Right. 25Q. Did you take a good look at that first 26 blood drop, first of all, that you observed next to 27 the footprints? 28A. Just to verify if it was blood or not. 1Q. Can you describe that blood drop, as you 2 saw it. 3A. It was red, appeared to be moist, about 4 maybe the size of a dime, a little smaller than a 5 dime. 6Q. Was it fresh blood? 7A. Appeared to be fresh. 8MR. BLASIER: Objection. No foundation. 9THE COURT: Excuse me? 10MR. BLASIER: Excuse me. No foundation. 11THE COURT: "Moist" may mean fresh. Sustained 12Q. (BY MR. KELLY) You observed blood down 13 by the two bodies on the lower level? 14A. Yes. 15Q. Can you describe that blood drop in 16 relation to the other blood you observed on the other 17 level? 18A. They were very similar, looked to be the 19 same. 20Q. In terms of consistency? 21A. Right. 22Q. Moisture? 23A. Yes. 24Q. Color? 25A. Yes. 26Q. Red. In your opinion, it was -- 27A. It was blood. 28MR. BLASIER: Objection. No foundation. 1THE COURT: That it was blood, overruled. 2Q. (BY MR. KELLY) And as you headed towards 3 the back of 875 South Bundy, towards the alley, you 4 indicated you observed additional drops of blood, 5 also? 6A. Yes. 7Q. You had occasion to look at them at this 8 time? 9A. Just so -- I passed them, so I wouldn't 10 step in them. 11Q. Would you be able to describe those other 12 drops of blood that you saw, also? 13A. They were consistent in nature to the 14 first one. It was red, appeared to be moist. 15Q. Sizewise? 16A. I don't -- really don't recall the size. 17Q. But they were consistent with the first 18 ones you'd seen, also? 19A. Yes. 20MR. BLASIER: Objection. Leading. 21THE COURT: Overruled 22Q. (BY MR. KELLY) Did they appear to be -- 23 did it appear to be new blood? 24A. Appeared to be fresh. 25MR. BLASIER: Objection. No foundation. 26THE COURT: New blood. Sustained. 27Q. Moist? 28A. Appeared to be fresh. 1Q. Now, as you approached the rear of 875 2 South Bundy, is there anything in the alley there 3 or in the walkway there? I'm sorry. 4A. There's a gate at the rear of the 5 walkway. 6Q. And as you approached that gate, did you 7 make any observations of that rear gate at that time? 8A. I observed it to be blood on the inside 9 of the rear gate. And I was advised there was blood 10 on the outside of the gate by my partner. 11Q. First of all, as you approached the 12 gate -- 13MR. BLASIER: Objection. Move to strike as 14 hearsay. 15THE COURT: Strike what? 16MR. BLASIER: Part of the answer where he 17 talked about what his partner told him. 18THE COURT: What his partner said, that's 19 stricken. 20Q. (BY MR. KELLY) You had your flashlight 21 on as you approached the rear gate? 22A. Yes. 23Q. And you indicated that you observed blood 24 on different portions of the gate at that time? 25A. Yes, I did. 26Q. Did you shine your flashlight? 27A. Yes. 28Q. Can you tell us where on the rear gate 1 the blood was located when you observed it with your 2 flashlight? 3A. I observed what looked like a smear on 4 the top and a couple drops on the bottom, and a smear 5 on the ledge. 6Q. And can you describe the appearance of 7 that blood you saw in those different places? 8A. Appeared to be fresh, red, consistent 9 with the rest of the blood. 10Q. Moist? 11A. Yes. 12Q. And you indicated that you had a 13 discussion at that time with your partner, Terrazas -- 14A. Yes. 15Q. -- who was at rear gate. 16 As a result of that conversation, did you 17 make any further observation about that back gate? 18A. There was blood on the grating on the 19 outside of the gate. 20Q. And can you describe that blood on the 21 grating on the outside appeared, also? 22A. Appeared to be fresh and moist, 23 consistent with the rest of the blood. 24Q. Red? 25A. Red. 26MR. KELLY: Steve, if I could see number 81, 27 please. 28Q. (BY MR. KELLY) Now, Officer, looking at 1 that gate, do you recognize that? 2A. Yes, I do. 3Q. And what is that gate? 4A. That's the rear of the walkway; that's 5 the rear alley there. 6Q. And that would have been as you 7 approached that gate -- 8A. Right. 9Q. -- down the walkway. 10MR. KELLY: And now, Steve, if I could see 11 number 82. 12Q. (BY MR. KELLY) Do you recognize what 13 appears in that photograph? 14A. It appears to be the bottom rung of the 15 gate, with blood drops on it. 16Q. Do you recognize the bottom rung of the 17 gate being the same blood that you observed in the 18 early morning hours of June 13, 1994? 19A. Yes. 20Q. Did you observe blood in the same 21 location in that picture that you observed in the 22 early morning hours of June 13, 1994? 23A. Yes, I did. 24Q. And can you point to the blood that you 25 observed on the gate at that time and that place. 26A. Those two spots. (Indicating.) 27Q. Now, looking at that photograph, does the 28 blood appear there the same as it appeared that night 1 when you observed it in the early morning hours? 2A. It appears to be in the same spot. It's 3 obviously dry. 4MR. KELLY: 142, Steve. 5Q. (BY MR. KELLY) Now, do you recognize 6 that photograph? 7A. That's the top of the gate, with a blood 8 smear. 9Q. Is that on the inside? 10A. Yes. 11Q. And is that -- does that blood smear 12 appear in that photograph there the same way it was 13 the early morning hours of June 13, 1994? 14A. Yes. 15Q. In the same location? 16A. Yes. 17Q. Does it physically appear the same, 18 though? 19A. Yes, it does. 20Q. Okay. Was it red in color? 21A. It was red there. It was just a smear. 22MR. KELLY: Number 85, Steve. 23Q. (BY MR. KELLY) Do you recognize that as 24 being the outside of the same gate at 875 South Bundy? 25A. Yes, it is. 26Q. And is that the gate that Officer 27 Terrazas brought your attention to? 28A. Yes. 1Q. Okay. And after him drawing your 2 attention to that rear gate, did you make an 3 observation? 4A. There's blood on the grating. 5Q. Do you recall approximately what location 6 that was in? 7A. It was towards the bottom, middle. 8Q. Would you indicate with your pointer 9 approximately where it was. 10A. It was in this area here. (Indicating.) 11MR. KELLY: And number 86, please, Steve. 12Q. (BY MR. KELLY) Do you recognize that 13 photograph, Officer? 14A. Yes. 15Q. And what is that? 16A. That's blood on the grating. 17Q. Does that physically appear the same in 18 that photograph as it was when you saw in the early 19 morning hours of June 13, 1994? 20A. Yes, it does. 21Q. Even the color and the texture? 22A. No. It appears to be dry in this 23 picture. 24Q. Was it dry when you observed it that 25 morning? 26A. No; it was fresh, red, appeared to be 27 moist. 28Q. Now, after making those observations -- 1 by the way, did you shine your flashlight on those 2 various portions of the blood on the gate we just 3 discussed? 4A. Yes. 5Q. Did Police Officer Terrazas also put a 6 flashlight on those areas, too? 7A. Yes, he did. 8Q. And did you observe those areas at the 9 same time? 10A. As he directed my attention to it, yes. 11Q. After making those observations on the 12 rear gate, what, if anything, did you do next? 13A. I told my partner that we were going to 14 bring the kids out the garage, and I asked him if it 15 would disturb any evidence if we opened the garage. 16 And he said no. 17Q. Did you actually walk over to look at the 18 garage door when you could bring them out? 19A. No, I didn't. 20Q. Did you make any other observations in 21 the garage door vicinity before bringing the children 22 out? 23A. He just told me there was blood on the 24 driveway. And I told him to stay away from it. 25Q. Did you actually go and look at the blood 26 at that time? 27A. No. 28Q. Did you see any vehicles in the area? 1A. Not at that time. 2Q. After being told about the blood in the 3 driveway by Police Officer Terrazas, what, if 4 anything, did you do next? 5A. I went back in the residence. I went 6 eastbound on the walkway and through the front door. 7Q. When you say "eastbound on the walkway," 8 was that the same walkway with the bloody footprints 9 and blood drops that you had observed earlier? 10A. Yes. 11Q. Did you take measures to avoid those 12 footprints and drops? 13A. Yes, I did. 14Q. Did anybody accompany you back to that 15 walkway at that time? 16A. No. 17Q. And when you went to the house, did you 18 enter the house alone at that time, also? 19A. Yes. 20Q. And who, if anybody, was in the house 21 when you entered at that time? 22A. Officer Walsh was up by the children's 23 bedroom. 24Q. Nobody else had come in through that 25 front area of the crime scene at this time, had they? 26A. No. 27Q. You went up with Officer Wally, back in 28 the house, at this time? 1A. Yes. 2Q. What, if anything, did you do next, after 3 you went up with him? 4A. We woke up the female and had her get 5 dressed. Then we woke up the little boy and had him 6 get dressed. Then we went out through the garage. 7Q. And how long did it take you to, first of 8 all, wake up the little girl and get her dressed? 9A. Just a few minutes. 10Q. And she was asleep -- 11A. Yes. 12Q. -- when you first went in there. 13 And then you went and woke up the little 14 boy? 15A. Right. 16Q. And was the little girl with you when you 17 did that? 18A. Yes. 19Q. And did she assist you in any way with 20 the little boy? 21A. She helped us get him dressed. He was 22 kind of upset. 23Q. And after you had them woke up and 24 dressed, what, if anything, did you do next? 25A. Went down, out through the garage, and we 26 went down the alley and met up with another officer. 27Q. And who were those officers that you met 28 up with? 1A. Officers Heider and Vasquez. 2Q. And you turned the children over to them? 3A. Yes. 4Q. And what was your understanding as to 5 where they were taking the children? 6A. To the police station. 7Q. What did you do next, Officer, after you 8 had the children taken to the police station? 9A. I went back to the driveway area and I 10 saw the blood my partner was referring to, and I saw 11 the door of the vehicle in the driveway, the jeep, to 12 be ajar. 13Q. First of all, the blood that you observed 14 that Terrazas pointed you to, did you put your 15 flashlight on it at that time? 16A. Yes, I did. 17Q. Did you make any observations, or could 18 you describe the blood as you saw it at that time? 19A. It just appeared to be a fresh, red spot 20 of blood. 21Q. Was it consistent with the drops you had 22 seen earlier in the walkway? 23A. Yes. 24Q. Okay. What, if anything, did you do 25 next, Officer? 26A. Then I went to the front of 875 South 27 Bundy and I met with Sergeant Coon. 28Q. That was after going up and down the 1 alleyway? 2A. That was before. 3Q. And Sergeant Coon -- did you receive any 4 other instructions? 5A. Sergeant Rossi arrived, and we showed him 6 the crime scene in the front; then we went around the 7 back. 8Q. First of all, who is Sergeant Rossi? 9A. He was a watch commander at West L.A. 10Q. Do you know approximately what time it 11 was that he arrived? 12A. No. 13Q. When you say you showed him the crime 14 scene in front, first of all, what did you actually 15 show him? 16A. We went up on the grassy area, and I 17 pointed out the female, and the male, and the 18 envelope, and the glove, and the hat. 19Q. When you say you pointed out, in what 20 manner did you point out to Sergeant Rossi? 21A. I illuminated it with my flashlight. 22Q. And in illuminating these items, did you 23 have occasion to illuminate the areas -- items in the 24 vicinity of that area, also? 25A. Yes. 26Q. Did you observe any other items in the 27 immediate vicinity at this time -- 28A. No. 1Q. -- inside the gated area? 2A. No. 3Q. Anywhere outside the gated area? 4A. No. 5Q. Did you look with your flashlight? 6A. Yes. 7Q. Now, after showing Sergeant Rossi the 8 front crime-scene area, what, if anything, did you do? 9A. We walked down to Dorothy and went to the 10 rear alley. Then we went up to the rear driveway, 11 showed them the blood and the door that was ajar to 12 the vehicle, and the rear gate. 13Q. When you say the blood, first of all, 14 you're referring to the drop of blood you observed in 15 the driveway? 16A. Yes. 17Q. And what, if anything, did you show him 18 when you went to the rear gate? 19A. Showed him the blood on the outside and 20 on the inside of the rear gate. 21Q. And you showed him all the drops that you 22 pointed out earlier to the jury? 23A. Yes. 24Q. And who else was there, if anybody, with 25 you and Sergeant Rossi at that time? 26A. I believe Sergeant Coon was there, and my 27 partner, Officer Terrazas was there. 28Q. Now, after making these observations with 1 Sergeant Rossi, what, if anything, did you do next? 2A. Sergeant Rossi and I went down on the 3 walkway, approximately halfway to where the footprints 4 ended, and I just showed them to him. Then we went 5 back out to the alley. 6Q. I assume you were careful not to disturb 7 the footprints of blood? 8MR. BLASIER: Objection. Leading. 9THE COURT: Sustained. 10Q. (BY MR. KELLY) Did you take measures to 11 avoid the footsteps and drops of blood at that time? 12A. Yes. 13Q. And Officer Rossi, also? 14A. Yes. 15Q. Did you then exit the rear gate? 16A. Yes. 17Q. After exiting with Sergeant Rossi, what, 18 if anything, did do you next? 19A. Went back up to the front and just waited 20 for the detectives. 21Q. And did there come a time that detectives 22 arrived there? 23A. Yes. 24Q. And would you be able to -- first of all, 25 when you went back out front with Sergeant Rossi, 26 could you tell me at this time whether any other 27 police officers had arrived on the scene? 28A. Yes. 1Q. And could you tell me which officers had 2 arrived there at that time, when you went back out 3 front with Sergeant Rossi? 4A. Officer Ashton and his partner, Officer 5 Gonzalez, Officer Goriossi, and Seigler, Officers 6 Sanchez and Cummings. 7Q. Okay. Officers Heidler and Vasquez had 8 been there, also? 9A. They had been there to pick up the 10 children, that was it. 11Q. Okay. And I believe you indicated 12 Sergeants Rossi and Coon were there, also, as well as 13 you and your partner, Terrazas? 14A. Right. 15Q. So it would be fair to say that at that 16 point when you returned out front, there had been 17 approximately 14 police officers at the scene at that 18 time? 19A. Right. 20Q. And on more than one occasion, with other 21 officers, you had approached the front area of 875 22 South Bundy and illuminated the entire area? 23A. Yes. 24Q. And that you had also approached the 25 walkway north of 875 Bundy at the gated area, and 26 illuminated that entire area, also, correct? 27A. Yes. 28MR. BLASIER: Objection. Leading. 1THE COURT: Counsel, let the witness testify. 2Q. (BY MR. KELLY) You indicated that you 3 arrived at the front of 875 South Bundy with Sergeant 4 Rossi, awaiting the arrival of the detectives. 5A. Right. 6Q. Did any detectives ever arrive? 7A. Yes. 8Q. Approximately how long after you had 9 first arrived on that scene did detectives arrive to 10 875 South Bundy? 11A. Possibly two hours. 12Q. And which detectives arrived at that 13 time? 14A. Phillips and Fuhrman. 15Q. Detective Phillips and Detective Fuhrman? 16A. Right. 17Q. And what was Detective Phillips' position 18 at that time? 19A. He's the lead homicide detective for West 20 L.A. 21Q. And Detective Fuhrman was? 22A. His partner. 23Q. And what, if anything, did you do upon 24 their arrival there at the scene, at that time? 25A. Briefly went over what we had, and took 26 them up to the front of the crime scene, showed them 27 that -- took them around to the north side to show 28 them Mr. Goldman's body and the pager, and we went 1 around the rear alley. 2Q. When you say you showed them the front of 3 the crime scene, how did you do that, once again? 4A. Used my flashlight to illuminate the body 5 of both victims and the evidence. 6Q. What evidence did you illuminate? 7A. The envelope the glove and the hat. 8 Then, on the north side, the pager and Mr. Goldman's 9 body. 10Q. And did you illuminate the surrounding 11 area, also? 12A. Yes. 13Q. And you said you illuminated the north 14 side. Did you approach that separately with Fuhrman 15 and Phillips, also? 16A. Right. 17Q. And approaching the north side, outside 18 the gated area, did you illuminate the vicinity? 19A. Yes, I did. 20Q. Now, did you on observe any items of 21 evidence as you came up that side? 22A. Just a pager. 23Q. Other than the pager, nothing else? 24A. No. 25Q. That was your second time up there with 26 your flashlight? 27A. Right. 28Q. Now, you then proceeded to the rear of 1 875 South Bundy? 2A. That's correct. 3Q. What, if anything, did you do at the rear 4 of 875 South Bundy with Fuhrman and Phillips? 5A. Showed them the vehicle, the blood on the 6 driveway, blood on the gate. 7Q. When you say you showed them the blood on 8 the driveway, what manner did you point it out to 9 them? 10A. With my flashlight. 11Q. Was anybody else with you besides 12 Phillips and Fuhrman? 13A. Sergeant Rossi. 14Q. And after pointing out the blood in the 15 driveway, where did you go to next? 16A. To the gate, with Detective Fuhrman. 17Q. And you indicated you showed them the 18 blood on the gate at that time? 19A. Yes, I did. 20Q. What manner did you show him the blood on 21 the gate at that time? 22A. Using my flashlight. 23Q. You showed all the blood spots that we 24 had displayed earlier? 25A. On the gate, right. 26Q. And while you were at the back gate with 27 Detective Fuhrman, what, if anything, did Sergeant 28 Rossi and Detective Phillips do? 1A. They walked approximately halfway up the 2 walkway, to, I assume, where the blood drops, the 3 footsteps ended. 4Q. And then what? 5A. Then they came back out. 6Q. And did you show the blood on the back 7 gate to Sergeant Rossi? 8A. Yes, I did. 9Q. And was Sergeant Phillips there also, 10 when the blood on the back gate was pointed out? 11A. Detective Phillips. 12Q. Detective Phillips? 13A. Initially when I showed it to Sergeant 14 Rossi, he wasn't. When I was standing there with 15 Fuhrman, he was. 16Q. After they returned back to the rear gate 17 area, Rossi and Phillips, what, if anything, did you 18 do next, sir? 19A. Detective Phillips, Detective Fuhrman, 20 myself, entered the house through the garage. And we 21 did a walk-through on the house, and we went out on 22 the front landing. 23Q. When you first all -- when you went to do 24 a walk-through of the house, did you go through the 25 entire house, as you had on the prior occasion with 26 Wally? 27A. Yes. 28MR. KELLY: You want to take a break now? 1THE COURT: Ten-minute recess. 2 Don't talk about the case; don't form or 3 express any opinions. 4 (Recess.) 5 6 7(Jurors resume their respective seats.) 8(The following proceedings were held 9 at. 10 The bench:) 11THE COURT: Not my problem. 12MR. PETROCELLI: We'll try to work on it during 13 the afternoon luncheon. Okay. We have been trying 14 with some lack of SUCCESS. 15THE COURT: Okay. (Reviewing notes.) 16 (The following proceedings were held in 17 open court 18 in the presence of the jury:) 19MR. KELLY: Can I proceed, Your Honor? 20THE COURT: (Nods in the affirmative.) 21Q. (BY MR. KELLY) Officer, before the break 22 you had indicated that you had entered the rear of 875 23 south Bundy with Detective Phillips and Fuhrman? 24A. Right. 25Q. And did anybody else accompany you at 26 that time? 27A. No. 28Q. And what did you do upon entering the 1 premise? 2A. We did a quick walk through of the house 3 and we went out on the front landing. 4Q. When you arrived the at the front landing 5 what, if anything, did you do at that time? 6A. I illuminated the area of the bodies with 7 my flash light, showed him the bodies and the 8 evidence, the foot steps leading westbound on the 9 walkway. 10Q. Other than the foot steps, what other 11 evidence did you illuminate and point out to them? 12A. The drop of blood before the front door 13 and the drop of blood westbound. 14Q. Did you illuminate the front area also 15 where the bodies were? 16A. Yes. 17Q. And did you illuminate any of the 18 evidence in that area? 19A. Yes, I did. 20Q. And what evidence was that? 21A. The two bodies, the envelope, the glove 22 and the hat. 23Q. Did you observe any other items at this 24 time in the vicinity? 25A. No. 26Q. After that, what happened? What did you 27 do next, if anything? 28A. I -- we noted that Detective Phillips and 1 Detective Fuhrman both, Detective Spangler had 2 arrived. We all three went back in the house. 3Q. Through the front door? 4A. Right. Detective Fuhrman and I stayed in 5 the house. Detective Phillips went out and Detective 6 Spangler through the rear. 7Q. You say you and Detective Fuhrman stayed 8 in the house. What area of the house did you stay; 9 and Phillips and Spangler? 10A. In the kitchen. 11Q. Were the lights on in the kitchen at this 12 time? 13A. Yes. 14Q. By the way, what was Detective Fuhrman 15 wearing that night when you were in the kitchen with 16 him? Do you recall what clothing he had on? 17A. He had a light colored, like a white 18 shirt and like khaki pants. 19Q. Did he have any jacket on? 20A. No. 21Q. Sports coat? 22A. No. 23Q. What happened next when you were in the 24 kitchen with Detective Fuhrman then? 25A. We just stayed in there until Detective 26 Phillips and Lieutenant Spangler came in, then I went 27 out to the rear alley with my partner. 28Q. And what did you do next after you were 1 out there with your partner? 2A. Just maintained the perimeter security. 3Q. And did anybody else arrive out back at 4 any particular time while you were on guard at the 5 rear location and securing the area? 6A. Later I saw a photographer and then 7 Vannatter arrived later. 8Q. Let's take them one at a time. First of 9 all, when the photographer arrived at the rear, there 10 was an LAPD photographer at time? 11A. Yes, he worked S.I.D. 12Q. What does S.I.D. stand for? 13A. Scientific investigation division. 14Q. And what, if anything, did you say to him 15 when you arrived? 16A. I pointed out evidence, told him not to 17 step in it or step on it. 18Q. And what evidence did you point out to 19 him? 20A. The blood drop on the driveway. I 21 believe there was some change and that's about it. 22Q. Okay. Other than that evidence, did you 23 point anything else out to him? 24A. No. I told him about the ice cream in 25 the house, just to be careful, not to knock it over if 26 he went in. 27Q. Other than that, anything else? 28A. No. 1Q. Was it your duty to work with the 2 photographer or point out evidence for him to 3 photograph in any way? 4A. No, I just did it so he wouldn't disturb 5 any evidence. 6Q. Now, after that, you indicated that this 7 was a time that Detectives Lange and Vannatter arrived 8 also? 9A. Right. 10Q. And first of all, what was their position 11 in law enforcement at this time? 12A. They're in robbery homicide. I was told 13 they were going to take over the scene. 14Q. And where were you when they first 15 arrived? 16A. In the rear alley. 17Q. Did you have any conversation with them 18 at this time? 19A. No. 20Q. Okay. Did you point anything out to them 21 at this time? 22A. No. 23Q. Was anybody accompanying them? Was 24 anybody with the two of them at this time when you saw 25 them in the rear? 26A. I believe Detective Phillips. 27Q. And did there ever come a time, in the 28 rear, that you had a conversation with either one of 1 those Detectives? 2A. I can't remember if it was Lange or 3 Vannatter. I think it was Lange told my partner I had 4 to write out a brief statement. 5Q. In terms of your observations that 6 morning? 7A. Right. 8Q. And did you write out the narrative of 9 your observations? 10A. Yes. 11Q. And in writing that out, is that 12 something you would do in the ordinary course of 13 business? 14A. Right. 15Q. Is that part of your official police 16 duties? 17A. Yes. 18Q. And when you wrote them out that morning, 19 was it more or less contemporaneous with the 20 observations that you made that morning also? 21A. Yes. 22MR. KELLY: Your Honor, at this time, I'd like 23 to, first of all, ask the witness if he recognizes 24 these. 25 (Witness reviews document.) 26THE WITNESS: Yes, I do. 27MR. KELLY: This is exhibit number 883. 28MR. BLASIER: May I look at that? 1THE WITNESS: 833. 2MR. KELLY: 833, I'm sorry. 3 (The instrument herein described was 4 marked 5 for identification as Defendant's 6 Exhibit No. 833.) 7MR. KELLY: Any objection? 8MR. BLASIER: No. 9MR. KELLY: Okay. 10Q. (BY MR. KELLY) Are those the notes you 11 made that morning for Detective Lange? 12A. Yes. 13MR. KELLY: It's my understanding that defense 14 has stipulated as to their admission into evidence. 15MR. BLASIER: That's correct. 16 (The instrument herein described was. 17 received in evidence as Defendant's 18 Exhibit 19 No. 833.) 20Q. (BY MR. KELLY) In those notes, Officer, 21 is it correct you put all your observations down in 22 there at that time? 23A. Just basically what we did when we 24 arrived and anything that was really out of the 25 ordinary. 26Q. Okay. And you'd included the blood on 27 the back gate; is that correct? 28A. Yes. 1Q. Now, did there come a time that you 2 returned to the property of 875 south Bundy? 3A. Yes. 4Q. And do you recall approximately what time 5 that was? 6A. It was possibly 5:30, 5:20. 7Q. And who, if anybody, did you meet with or 8 confirm with at this time? 9A. Detective Phillips and Fuhrman. 10Q. Okay. Anybody else? 11A. No. 12Q. And after you met with them, what, if 13 anything, happened next? 14A. Detective Phillips gave me a phone and 15 asked me for directions to Rockingham and told me to 16 call me if he needed anything. 17Q. And did they then leave 875 south Bundy? 18A. I would assume. 19Q. Okay. Did you even see them leave? 20A. No. 21Q. What did you do after you were given that 22 cellular phone? 23A. Put it in my car and stood around the 24 front of the location? 25Q. And where was your car located at this 26 time. 27A. Directly in front of the walkway. 28 Directly in front of 875 south Bundy. 1Q. You had moved your black and white from 2 the rear of 875 to the front? 3A. Right. 4Q. Of 875. Now, after Detective Phillips 5 and Fuhrman left at 5:30, did you have occasion to see 6 them again? 7A. Little later. Possibly an hour later. 8Q. Okay. And under what circumstances did 9 you happen to see them? 10A. I saw Detective Fuhrman and the 11 photographer approaching the crime scene and then 12 Detective Fuhrman was pointing to the evidence and the 13 photographer took a picture. 14Q. Do you recall what evidence Detective 15 Fuhrman was pointing at? 16A. The believe and the hat. 17Q. Okay. If I could see number 92, Steve. 18 Now, do you recognize that photograph? 19A. Yes. 20Q. Okay. Is that the photograph you just 21 referenced Detective Fuhrman pointing at the glove and 22 the hat that morning? 23A. Yes, it is. 24Q. And you actually observed the 25 photographer take that photograph at that time? 26A. Yes, I did. 27Q. Okay. And you can remove that now, sir. 28 And can you just flip number 40 up there? 1 (Steve displays 40.) 2 Is that a close up of the same photograph 3 you observed him taking, Detective Fuhrman? 4A. Yes. 5Q. Is that the glove and the hat as they 6 appear that morning when you first arrive at 12:13 on 7 June 13? 8A. Yes. 9Q. And Steve, could you put the number 92 10 back up again? 11 (Steve complies.) 12Q. Are you able to see what type of shoes 13 Detective Fuhrman has on in that photograph? You can 14 get up, Officer, and look over there? 15A. They appear to be dress shoes. I don't 16 know. 17Q. Don't know whether they're loafers or -- 18A. No. 19Q. You can remove that photo. 20 (Steve complies.) 21 Did there come a time that you were 22 relieved of your post of 875 south Bundy? 23A. Yes. 24Q. Approximately what time was that? 25A. 7:15. 26Q. And how long prior to you being relieved 27 of your post did you observed those photographs being 28 taken from what Detective Fuhrman pointed to the 1 evidence? 2A. Possibly 40 minutes, 45 minutes. 3Q. So was it starting to get light out at 4 that time? 5A. Yeah, it was dawn. 6Q. And one of the one other things: Did you 7 have any contact with Detective Phillips around the 8 same time that those photographs were being taken? 9A. Yes, I did. 10Q. And what was that? 11A. I saw him on the east side of the street 12 talking to some other people and I took him his phone 13 back. 14Q. Was that before or after you observed 15 those photographs being taken? 16A. It was just after. 17Q. And when you were relieved at 7:15 that 18 morning, was that your last involvement in terms of 19 the any preservation or investigation of this 20 particular homicide? 21A. Yes. 22MR. KELLY: I have no further questions. 23 24 CROSS-EXAMINATION 25 BY MR. BLASIER: 26Q. Officer Riske, good morning? 27A. Good morning. 28Q. My name is Bob Blasier and I represent 1 Mr. Simpson. 2 As I understand your testimony, one of 3 your responsibilities was to secure the crime scene so 4 that the evidence could be collected properly? 5A. That's correct. 6Q. Now, when you were at the academy, did 7 you receive any training in crime scene processing? 8A. Not that I know. 9Q. In fact, they just glossed over that 10 topic at academy, didn't they? 11A. That's correct. 12Q. And prior to the time that you were at 13 this particular scene, had you received any training 14 at all in terms of how evidence is collected for a 15 possible DNA testing? 16A. No. 17Q. Did you have any level of knowledge at 18 all as to the quantities of biological material that 19 might be enough to result in a DNA test? 20A. No. 21Q. Did you have any training at all in the 22 area of how evidence might be contaminated with other 23 biological fluids? 24MR. KELLY: Objection. Relevance. 25THE COURT: Sustained. 26Q. (BY MR. BLASIER) What is the crime scene 27 log.. 28A. Crime scene log is just a log of people's 1 names and the times they arrived. 2Q. And I'm sorry? 3A. And leave. 4Q. And that's a very important document to 5 record who's at the crime scene; isn't it? 6A. Yes. 7Q. Is that standard procedure at a homicide 8 scene particularly? 9A. Particularly, yes. We use them a lot. 10Q. And who's responsibility is it to ensure 11 that the log is accurate? 12A. The person that does it. 13Q. And when an officer arrived at the scene, 14 whose responsibility is it to check in? 15A. The officer. 16Q. The officer who arrives at the scene? 17A. The keeper of the log should chase him 18 down if he doesn't check in himself. 19Q. And who is the officer that kept the log 20 at this crime scene? 21A. I believe it was Officer Cummings. 22Q. Do you recall when that log was started? 23A. No, I don't. 24Q. Let me show you exhibit 846. May I have 25 a stipulation? 26MR. KELLY: Yeah. 27Q. (BY MR. BLASIER) The Bundy crime scene 28 log, why don't you take a look at that. Does that 1 look like the log of activity at the Bundy crime 2 scene? 3A. Looks like a crime scene. I never saw 4 the log until the trial. 5Q. 829. 6MR. PETROCELLI: 829. 7MR. BLASIER: 829. 8THE COURT: Excuse me. 9MR. BLASIER: The exhibit is 829. 10Q. (BY MR. BLASIER) What time did you 11 arrive at Bundy? 12A. 12:13. 13Q. Now, you were in uniform on June 13, 14 1994, were you not? 15A. Yes, I was. 16Q. And what color is that uniform? 17A. It's actually a dark blue. It looks 18 like -- 19Q. Blue back. What type of material is the 20 uniform made of? 21A. Wool. 22Q. Are all the officers, the uniform 23 officers wearing the same color? 24A. Same color, yes. 25Q. Uniform. Hundred percent wool? 26A. You can buy them polyester but I don't do 27 it. 28Q. Now, when the witness's stopped you and 1 described that there was a dead woman up the walkway, 2 did they point out the body to you at that time? 3A. No. 4Q. Where were you standing when you were 5 told that? 6A. On the east curb in front of 874 south 7 Bundy. 8Q. Now the east curb would be which side of 9 the street? 10A. The east side. 11Q. Which side in relation to where the 12 bodies were found? 13A. The opposite side. 14Q. And where did you go from there? 15A. Over to the gas area 875. 16Q. How did you -- did you cross the sidewalk 17 at that time? 18A. I crossed the street. 19Q. And did you cross the sidewalk as well? 20A. No. 21Q. How did you get to the grassy area 22 without crossing the sidewalk? 23A. We went in the direction of the grassy 24 area. We didn't go on the grassy area. We were 25 standing -- 26Q. Okay. So where did you stop? 27A. On the strip of the grass before the 28 sidewalk, before -- 1Q. Between the sidewalk and the street? 2A. Right. 3Q. And it was -- you were able to see Nicole 4 Brown Simpson's body from that point, correct? 5A. Not at first, no. 6Q. Well, at some point, your were able to 7 see the body from that location, weren't you? 8A. Right. 9Q. And there was actually light coming from 10 the inside of the condominium because the door was 11 open, correct? 12A. There was a little bit of light coming 13 out of the door but the lights on the interior were 14 off. 15Q. The interior lights of the condominium 16 were off? 17A. They were down. 18Q. Were they down or were they off? 19A. They were down. 20Q. How do you know that they were down as 21 opposed to on at full intensity? 22A. I don't. 23Q. At what point did you become aware that 24 you could see bodies from where you were standing on 25 the grassy area? 26A. After we had been directed by the 27 witnesses. 28Q. And so you look in that direction at that 1 time and you could see Nicole Brown Simpson's body? 2A. Using my flashlight, yes. 3Q. Can you see it without your flashlight? 4MR. KELLY: Objection. Hypothetical. He 5 didn't have the opportunity to. He indicated he saw 6 it with his flashlight. 7THE COURT: Sustained. 8Q. (BY MR. BLASIER) Did you look without 9 your flashlight at all? 10A. No, I didn't. 11Q. Let me show you exhibit 1439. I 12 apologize for the picture. 13 Does this appear to be a picture of a 14 view that you had from the grassy area? 15 (The instrument herein described was 16 marked for identification as 17 Defendant's Exhibit No. 1439.) 18A. Yes. 19Q. Do you know when that picture was taken? 20A. No. 21Q. Now, describe the lighting along the 22 walkway. 23MR. KELLY: Objection. At what time? 24THE COURT: Sustained. 25Q. (BY MR. BLASIER) In the morning, when 26 you saw the body for the first time, what was the 27 lighting along the walkway? 28A. It was dark. 1Q. Was there a Malibu light on along the 2 walkway? 3A. No. 4Q. Now, the lighting coming from the front 5 door -- 6 You can take that off. (Indicating to view screen.) 7 When did you first notice that? 8A. The second time I approached her. 9Q. Now, the first time you approached, did 10 you cross the sidewalk, the sidewalk that runs 11 parallel to the street? 12A. I don't believe so, no. 13Q. How did you get to the grassy area 14 without crossing the sidewalk? 15MR. KELLY: Objection, argumentative. 16THE COURT: It's a question. Overruled. 17THE WITNESS: I don't understand the question. 18Q. (BY MR. BLASIER) At some point you got 19 to the grassy area between the condo and the sidewalk? 20A. Right. 21Q. Correct. How did you get there without 22 crossing over the sidewalk? 23A. I crossed the sidewalk. 24Q. When you crossed the sidewalk, did you 25 see anything unusual? 26A. Bloody paw prints. 27Q. Now, you saw bloody paw prints in what 28 direction were they going? 1A. South. 2Q. Did you follow those paw prints at any 3 time to see how far south they weren't? 4A. Yes. 5Q. How far south did they go? 6A. Just to the corner of Dorothy and Bundy. 7Q. Did they stop there? 8A. Yes. 9Q. Now, you walked around from the front of 10 the condominium and around the back to the alley 11 several times during the course of that evening, 12 right? 13A. Right. 14Q. And the paw prints, from your 15 observation, never went up Dorothy. They ended at the 16 corner of Dorothy and Bundy? 17A. As far as I recall, yes. 18Q. Was there ever a canine unit called out 19 to determine whether a path could be found of the 20 perpetrator or perpetrators leaving? 21A. No. 22MR. KELLY: Objection, Your Honor. 23THE COURT: Excuse me. 24MR. KELLY: Relevant. 25THE COURT: Sustained. 26Q. (BY MR. BLASIER) When you got there, did 27 you make any effort when you found the bodies to 28 determine whether a perpetrator or perpetrator had 1 just left? 2MR. KELLY: Objection. Relevance. 3THE COURT: Sustained. 4Q. (BY MR. BLASIER) Now, when you made your 5 first trip up the area of the bodies, you walked first 6 on the grass and then through the dirt area? 7A. No. 8Q. How did you walk? 9A. Through the foliage to the left of the 10 walkway. 11Q. How far to the left of the walkway? 12A. Just to the left of the walkway. 13Q. Okay. So you walked in the closest area 14 to the walkway without actually getting on the 15 walkway? 16A. Right. 17Q. Did you check at all for any footprints 18 along that dirty area before you walked there? 19A. No. 20Q. How did you check? 21A. With my flashlight. 22Q. What was the ground area like? 23A. It was just loamy soil covered with 24 plants. 25Q. Did you notice any cars parked either 26 along Bundy or Dorothy? 27A. No. 28Q. Did you ever do a check to see what cars 1 were parked in the vicinity? 2A. Me personally, no. 3Q. Now, when you first saw the blood on the 4 walkway, where were you standing when you first 5 noticed that? 6A. On a grass between the street and the 7 sidewalk. 8MR. BLASIER: I'd like you to look at -- what 9 number is this? 10MR. P. BAKER: 32. 11Q. (BY MR. BLASIER) I'd like you to take a 12 look at exhibit No. 32. 13 Now, when you first observed blood on the 14 walkway, how far down the walkway had it moved? 15A. About the mid point. 16Q. Okay. Can you tell me, I'm going to 17 point to what I think is the mid point, does this look 18 about the area there? 19A. It was about there. 20Q. Okay. There -- so there was no blood at 21 that point, from that point out to the sidewalk? 22A. Just paw prints. 23Q. What time was that? 24A. Possibly 12:15. 25Q. It was shortly after you arrived? 26A. Right. 27Q. After you observed the blood halfway down 28 the walkway, what did you do? 1A. Requested an ambulance and a back up and 2 additional units. 3Q. And how did you do that? 4A. From my radio. 5Q. And do you recall what you said on your 6 radio? 7A. No. 8Q. What did you do from there? 9A. Just approached the female through the 10 bushes to get a better look and I observed the male 11 against the fence. 12Q. I'm sorry? 13A. Observed the male laying against the 14 fence. 15Q. What did you do then? 16A. I told my partner to go grab on to the 17 witnesses so they didn't leave. 18Q. Now, where was Officer Terrazas? He was 19 your partner, correct? 20A. Yeah. 21Q. Where was he when you were walking up 22 over the bushes and looking at the bodies? 23A. He was in the grassy area to the left of 24 the bushes. 25Q. So it was at this point that you told him 26 to go talk to the witnesses. Which particular 27 witnesses were you referring to? 28A. The female and the male. 1Q. What did you do next? 2A. The second time we approached, we stepped 3 across her body and went towards the house. 4Q. And as you went toward the house, you 5 went up on the landing, correct? 6A. Right. 7Q. And you went inside the house at that 8 point? 9A. Right. 10Q. Now, before you went inside the house, 11 you observed that the door was more than halfway open, 12 correct? 13A. Right. 14Q. And what kind of lighting was there on 15 the inside? Where were the lights located? 16A. I believe the lights in the kitchen were 17 on. 18Q. How about the lights in the front area, 19 in the living room area? 20A. Not that I recall, no. 21Q. Now the living room area was the first 22 area that you go into when you -- 23A. Right. 24Q. -- Go in the front door, correct? 25 Now, when you went in the house, had you 26 conducted any kind of inspection for possible trace 27 evidence in the house. 28MR. KELLY: Objection. Relevance. 1THE COURT: Sustained. 2Q. (BY MR. BLASIER) When you walked into 3 the house, you looked for possible ransacking and 4 possible blood, correct? 5A. Looked for bloody -- for the prints or 6 blood drops. 7Q. Did you look for anything else? 8A. No. 9Q. And when you went into the house, you 10 then made a phone call as soon as you got in the 11 house? 12A. Right. 13Q. And the phone was back in the kitchen, 14 wasn't it? 15A. It was right in the kitchen, dining room. 16Q. Did you pick up the phone with your hand? 17A. No. Yes. 18Q. You have any blood on your hand? 19A. No. 20Q. Did you give any thoughts to the idea 21 that there might be fingerprints on the phone? 22A. Sure. 23Q. Did you make any effort to preserve 24 fingerprints on the phone? 25A. No. 26Q. Now, from that telephone, the first call 27 you made was to? 28A. The only call I made. 1Q. The only call you made was to the watch 2 commander, right? 3A. Right. 4Q. And who was that? 5A. Sergeant Rossi. 6Q. Tell me exactly what you told him? 7A. Told him we had a double homicide on 8 Bundy and it was my belief that Mr. Simpson was 9 somehow involved because of the photos and the return 10 address on the envelope. 11Q. So you told the watch commander in your 12 first telephone call that you thought Mr. Simpson was 13 somehow involved? 14A. Right. 15Q. What did you do from there? 16A. We exited the house. My partner went and 17 grabbed onto the male and the female and the dog. I 18 went around to the north side and checked Mr. Goldman 19 to see if he was alive. 20Q. When you went around to the north side, 21 again, you're walking out on the grassy area outside 22 the gated area of the condo? 23A. Right. 24Q. Correct. And you're walking around to 25 the house that's to the north of 875 south Bundy? 26A. That's correct. 27Q. And were you by yourself at that time? 28A. Yes. 1Q. Now you walk around and from what 2 location did you observe Mr. Goldman? 3A. From outside the fence and north 4 residence. 5Q. And you had your flashlight? 6A. Yes, I did. 7Q. Can you tell me what you did? 8A. Illuminated the area looking for any 9 evidence and I approached Mr. Goldman and I touched 10 his eyeball to see if he was alive. 11Q. How did you touch his eyeball? 12A. With my finger. 13Q. What else did you do? 14A. Just after I determined he was dead, I 15 left the area. 16Q. Did you use your flashlight to look in 17 his pupils? 18A. Yes, I did. 19Q. Let me show you exhibit 38. It's already 20 been introduced. Is that a photograph of 21 Mr. Goldman's body -- 22A. Yes. 23Q. -- At the time you first observed him? 24A. Yes, it is. 25Q. Now, is it your testimony then you were 26 able to shine a light in his eyes as well as touch his 27 eyeball from the other side of that metal gate? 28A. That's correct. That's the metal fence 1 actually, it's not a gate. 2Q. Okay. The metal gate in the background? 3A. That's a metal fence in the background. 4Q. I'm sorry, metal back -- Let me show you 5 this photo on the Elmo, if you get a chance. 6MR. MEDVENE: Mr. Baker, can I get the number, 7 please. 8MR. BLASIER: 38. Same one. 9MR. KELLY: Same pictures. 10MR. BLASIER: Same picture. 11Q. (BY MR. BLASIER) Is it your testimony 12 that that picture accurately portrays the distance 13 between Mr. Goldman's body and the back fence? 14A. Yes. 15Q. Now how did you reach through the fence? 16A. Just reached between the bars. 17Q. After you did that, what did you do next? 18A. I went back out to the street with my 19 partner. 20Q. Where did you go from there? 21A. Additional units showed up and my 22 Sergeant showed up and we discussed what we had and 23 what we were going to do about it. 24Q. And from there you went where? 25A. Officer Wally and I entered the house and 26 served it. 27Q. Now, up to this point, you had not walked 28 along the north walkway where the bloody shoe prints 1 were, correct? 2A. Correct. 3Q. And after you went into the back of the 4 house, at what point did you go to the front landing? 5A. I don't understand the question. 6MR. KELLY: Objection. 7MR. BLASIER: You went into the back of the 8 house and where did you go? 9MR. KELLY: Objection. Misstates his 10 testimony. 11THE COURT: It's a question. 12THE WITNESS: I didn't enter the back of the 13 house. 14Q. (BY MR. BLASIER) You entered the front 15 of house with Officer Wally, correct? 16A. (Nods in the affirmative.) 17Q. And at that point, did you notice 18 anybody's shoe prints? 19A. Extending past the residence, not inside 20 the house, no. 21Q. Okay. But did you notice any in the area 22 of the bodies? 23A. Yes. 24Q. Can you describe the positions of those 25 shoe prints? 26A. There was a -- like a heel print on a 27 walkway in front of her body. Then there was 28 footprints up the steps and westbound on the landing 1 towards the rear. 2MR. BLASIER: Stipulate to the admission of 87? 3MR. KELLY: Yeah. 4 (The instrument herein described was 5 marked 6 for identification as Defendant's 7 Exhibit No. 87.) 8 (The instrument herein described was 9 received in evidence as 10 Defendant's Exhibit No. 87) 11Q. (BY MR. BLASIER) I'm going to have you 12 look at exhibit 87. That appear to be a diagram of an 13 overhead view of the location of the bodies. Can we 14 back that up a little? 15 Okay. Does that appear to be diagram of 16 an overhead area of where the bodies were up to the 17 front door? 18A. Yes. 19Q. And can you show us with a pointer where 20 the front door is in that diagram? 21A. No. 22Q. You can't? Now, did you observe any 23 blood drops in the area of the bloody shoe prints in 24 that diagram? 25A. I see one before the front door but I'm 26 not going to testify to this diagram, no. 27Q. But did you see any blood drops to the 28 left of any bloody shoe prints in the area of the 1 bodies? 2A. Leaving the bodies, between the bodies 3 and the front door, yes. 4Q. How many? 5A. One. 6Q. Where was that located? 7A. It was just prior to the front door. 8Q. And how far was the front door from the 9 bodies? 10A. 30 feet, 40 feet. 11Q. So within -- from the bodies up to the 12 front door, there were no drops other than the one by 13 the front door to the left of the shoe prints, 14 correct? 15A. Correct. 16Q. Now, the one by the front door -- well, 17 let me ask you about in the back. The blood drops 18 that you saw in the back, how many did you find in the 19 driveway? 20A. I didn't find any in the driveway. 21Q. How many did you see in the driveway? 22A. One. 23Q. And where was that in relation to the 24 jeep? 25A. I believe it was north of the jeep. 26Q. Was that the left of any bloody shoe 27 prints? 28A. The bloody shoe prints didn't extend that 1 far back. 2Q. That's a no? 3A. Correct. 4Q. How many drops did you see the entire 5 time that you would describe as being to the left of 6 the shoe prints? 7A. I don't know. I didn't count them. 8Q. More than three? 9A. I don't know what the total is. I didn't 10 count them. 11Q. More than two? 12A. More than one. I didn't know. I didn't 13 count them. 14Q. When you observed the ice cream, did you 15 make any effort to look at ice cream to determine 16 whether it had fully melted or not? 17A. No. 18MR. KELLY: Objection. Relevance. 19THE COURT: Sustained. 20Q. (BY MR. BLASIER) Did you make any effort 21 to preserve the ice cream? 22A. No. 23MR. KELLY: Objection. 24THE COURT: Sustained. What's the relevance? 25Q. (BY MR. BLASIER) One of your jobs on a 26 crime scene is to preserve it so it does not -- the 27 crime scene does not change in such a way that it 28 destroys your ability to determine such things as time 1 of death? 2MR. KELLY: Objection. 3THE COURT: Overruled? 4THE WITNESS: It's more preservance, nothing 5 disturbed by other people. 6Q. (BY MR. BLASIER) Is one of your goals 7 not to keep the crime scene static in the sense of the 8 same way as when you discover it? 9A. Yes. 10Q. Did you make any effort to do that with 11 the ice cream? 12A. No. 13MR. KELLY: Objection. 14THE COURT: Sustained. 15Q. (BY MR. BLASIER) Now, when you went 16 inside the condominium, the radio was on, correct? 17 There was music playing? 18A. Right. 19Q. Did you make any determination whether 20 that was a CD or whether it was a radio? 21A. No. 22Q. Did you see any candles lit in the living 23 room? 24A. I believe there were. I don't recall. 25Q. And you saw candles lit in the master 26 bathroom? 27A. Master bathroom. 28Q. How many candles were there and where 1 were they situated? 2A. In the bathroom. 3Q. Um-hum? 4A. There was three and they were to the west 5 of the bath tub on a -- there's a little landing. 6Q. And the bath tub was filled with water? 7A. Correct. 8Q. Did you make any determination whether 9 the water was hot? 10A. No. 11Q. When was the first time that you walked 12 out the north alleyway or that you walked along that 13 back alleyway? 14A. When I went to tell my partner that we 15 were bringing the children out. 16Q. And which direction did you walk it from? 17A. From the east to the west. 18Q. So that would be from the front to the 19 back? 20A. Right. 21Q. And who did you walk that with? 22A. Me. 23Q. Can you describe what's on either side of 24 that walkway as you walk toward the back? 25A. The house was on one side and there was a 26 fence on the other. 27Q. Is there any dirt area between the 28 walkway and the wall on the right wall on the north? 1A. I don't recall. I don't believe so. I 2 don't recall. 3Q. Now, there was a lot of foliage in the 4 area of where the bodies were found and also extending 5 along the north walkway; is there not or wasn't there? 6A. In the front, yes. I don't recall where 7 it is. 8Q. Now, the back gate, when you got there, 9 the back gate was already open, correct? 10A. It was closed. 11Q. Was it latched? 12A. I don't believe so. 13Q. You were able to open it with your 14 flashlight, correct? 15A. Pushed it open with my flashlight, 16Q. And after you pushed it open, what did 17 the gate do? 18A. Stayed open. 19Q. So the gate didn't automatically swing 20 shut and latch? 21A. No. 22Q. Did you make any determination whether 23 the latch on the gate was stuck open or was operable? 24A. No. 25Q. Now, when the children were taken out, 26 you asked Sydney Simpson a question, did you not? 27A. I don't recall. 28Q. You asked her if her dad was OJ Simpson, 1 didn't you? 2MR. KELLY: Objection. Hearsay. 3THE COURT: Sustained. 4MR. KELLY: Ask the question be stricken. 5THE COURT: Stricken. 6Q. (BY MR. BLASIER) Did you make any effort 7 to find out who the children's father was? 8A. I think I asked her who her dad was and 9 she told me OJ Simpson. I didn't ask her directly, OJ 10 Simpson, no. 11MR. KELLY: Objection. Ask the answer be 12 stricken. 13THE COURT: Stricken, not relevant. 14MR. BAKER: I object. Goes to state of mind of 15 this witness. 16THE COURT: That was my ruling on the 17 objection. If you want to object to my ruling, I 18 don't think that's possible. 19Q. (BY MR. BLASIER) Now, the bedrooms, 20 where those bedroom was located, one of the bedrooms 21 looked out to the back alleyway, correct? 22A. I don't remember if this was a window in 23 there or not. 24Q. Now, the blood on the back gate, did you 25 make any kind of diagram at the time you observed that 26 or any time that morning memorializing exactly where 27 the spots were on the back gate? 28A. No. 1Q. And I believe you testified on direct 2 that the drops and the blood on the back gate were 3 moist, correct? 4A. They appeared to be fresh, yes. 5Q. They appeared to be moist? 6A. (Nods in the affirmative.) 7THE COURT: He said they appeared to be fresh. 8Q. (BY MR. BLASIER) Well, you said on 9 direct that they were moist, didn't you? 10A. Yes. 11Q. Now, did they keep the same appearance 12 from the time you first saw them until you showed 13 Detective Fuhrman those drops in the back gate? 14A. As far as I recall, yes. 15MR. BLASIER: Can I have 81? 16Q. (BY MR. BLASIER) Let me show you exhibit 17 81 that we've introduced. 18 Now, you see the tags down on the bottom 19 of the gate? 20A. Yes, I do. 21Q. Those tags weren't there on the 13, were 22 they? 23A. Not while I was there, no. 24Q. This picture wasn't taken on the 13th, 25 was it? 26A. I don't know. 27MR. BLASIER: Could we look at 82, please? 28Q. (BY MR. BLASIER) Looking at exhibit 1 number 82, when you observed the blood, those cards 2 weren't there, were they? 3A. No. 4Q. When the photographer came, what time was 5 that? 6A. I don't know. 7Q. You have any recollection when the 8 photographer got there in relation to the Detectives? 9A. No. He got there before. 10Q. Before the detectives? 11A. (Nods in the affirmative.) 12 Before Detective Vannatter and Lange. 13Q. Now, you showed the photographer the 14 blood in the back driveway, correct? 15A. Right. 16Q. What else did you show him? 17A. The change. 18Q. The change? 19A. I told him about the ice cream. 20Q. You see a plastic cart in the driveway in 21 the back? 22A. No. 23Q. You never told the photographer about 24 anything on the back gate, did you? 25A. No, I didn't. 26Q. Now, give me your best estimate of when 27 Detective Fuhrman and Phillips arrived? 28A. Probably 2:00, 2:15. 1Q. And where did you first see them? 2A. You saw them parking their cars on the 3 southeast corner of Bundy and Dorothy. 4Q. And where are you -- were you standing? 5A. I was standing just to the south of 875 6 in the street. 7Q. Where did Detective Fuhrman and Phillips 8 go first? 9A. I believe they came out and talked to my 10 watch commander. 11Q. I'm sorry, talked to? 12A. My commander, watch commander Sergeant 13 Rossi. 14Q. What did they do next? 15A. I showed them the front of the location. 16Q. And about what time was that? 17A. Just shortly five, ten minutes after they 18 arrived. 19Q. What's your best estimate? 20A. 2:20 maybe. 21Q. Now, Your Honor, we have a copy of a 22 chart that's from a different exhibit which we're 23 going to have to give a new number to. 24MR. KELLY: Could we see it, please? 25MR. BLASIER: 2077 (sic). 26 (The instrument herein described was 27 marked 28 for identification as Defendant's 1 Exhibit No. 2097.) 2Q. (BY MR. BLASIER) 2097. Let me write 3 2097 on it. And I better write Officer Riske's name 4 on it. 5 Okay. Could we put this on the Elmo, 6 please. Can you see that diagram very well, Officer 7 Riske? 8A. Not really, no. 9Q. Let me give you a copy of it. Could you 10 take a look at the copy in front of you and does that 11 appear to be an overhead view of the condominium of 12 Bundy? 13A. Yes. 14Q. Now, now your testimony is that Detective 15 Fuhrman and Detective Phillips were shown, by you, the 16 front area of the condominium at about 2:20? 17A. Right. 18Q. Could we write a 2:20? 19 (Steve complies.) 20 Again, you showed them the same path that 21 you took up the grass and along the side of the 22 walkway? 23A. Yeah. 24Q. Up the grass area? 25A. Went up the grass area and went up the 26 north side by Mr. Goldman's body. 27Q. Let's put an F1. Yeah. Draw a line 28 down. F1 at 2:20 AM. And approximately how long did 1 that take? 2A. Five or ten minutes. 3Q. And where did Detective Phillips and 4 Fuhrman go from there? 5A. We walked down Bundy, westbound on 6 Dorothy to the rear of the -- up the alley to the rear 7 driveway. 8Q. So this would be all the way around the 9 block, in essence, to the back of the condominium, 10 correct? 11A. I wouldn't say around the block, no. 12Q. Well? 13A. Down to Dorothy, mid block up the alley. 14Q. Okay. Then when you got to the alley, 15 what did Detective Fuhrman do? 16A. He walked with me and Detective Phillips 17 to the rear driveway, showed him the jeep, the blood 18 on the driveway, the change and then we went to the 19 rear gate. 20Q. Now, when you went to the rear gate, you 21 went to the rear gate with Detective Fuhrman? 22A. Detective Fuhrman, Detective Phillips and 23 Detective Ross. 24Q. What time was that? 25A. It was probably 2:35 or so. 26Q. Okay. 27A. 2:40. 28Q. So you're back in the driveway area? 1MR. KELLY: Your Honor, I'm going to object to 2 any times being placed in the diagram. It's, in 3 affect, placing testimony on an exhibit. 4THE COURT: It's his exhibit. Overruled. 5Q. (BY MR. BLASIER) Let's draw an F2 there. 6 And I'm sorry, the time estimate was what, 2:35, 2:40? 7A. 2:40, 2:35. 8Q. 2:35 to 2:40. 9 And what happened after that? 10A. Detective Fuhrman and I stopped at the 11 rear gate and Detective Phillips and Sergeant Rossi 12 continued on midway down the path. 13Q. So Detective Fuhrman did not walk in the 14 back walkway, the north walkway at that time? 15A. No. 16Q. And did you and Detective Fuhrman wait 17 for Phillips and Rossi to come back? 18A. Yes. 19Q. And then where did you go from there? 20A. Detective Phillips, Fuhrman and I entered 21 the house through the garage. 22Q. And is that when you -- when you showed 23 him the bottom floor? 24A. Where? Right. 25Q. Did you show him upstairs -- Detective 26 Fuhrman upstairs at that time? 27A. Yes, the whole condo. 28Q. And at this point you went out on the 1 front landing? 2A. Right. 3Q. About what time was that? To your -- for 4 your best approximation? 5A. Maybe five to 3:00 6Q. About 2:55? 7A. It's only a guess, yes. 8Q. And so let's put an F3 by the front 9 landing. 10 Now, in this diagram, where I'm pointing, 11 it's actually the front door, correct? 12A. It's actually a little south of your 13 finger. 14Q. Okay. The front door is not right at the 15 front of the condominium, is it? 16A. No. 17Q. The living room area extends out more 18 toward the seat than the front door? 19A. Right. 20Q. So the landing area where you were was 21 how far outside the front door? 22A. It's probably 30 feet to the steps. 23Q. Okay. You went just to the top of the 24 steps? 25A. Right. 26Q. Okay. And after you went to the top of 27 the steps, where did you and Detective Fuhrman go? 28A. Detective Fuhrman, Detective Phillips and 1 I stood right there on the landing. 2Q. Okay. And for how long? 3A. Maybe five minutes or so. Until we were 4 advised that Detective Spangler arrived. 5Q. Who advised you of that? 6A. I believe Sergeant Coon. 7Q. And what did you do then? 8A. We all went back through the front door. 9 Detective Phillips and I stayed in the kitchen and -- 10 Detective Fuhrman and I stayed in the kitchen and 11 Detective Phillips actually went through the garage. 12Q. So when you and Detective Fuhrman were in 13 the kitchen, what time we talking about? 14A. Right around 3:00, I don't know. 15Q. So let's put an F4 in the -- kitchen area 16 is back in this area of the condominium, correct? 17 (Indicating to exhibit.) 18A. I don't know. 19Q. Well it's to the -- 20A. It's to the rear, but -- 21Q. -- To the rear? 22A. On this diagram I wouldn't pick it out. 23Q. But there's the living room and then I 24 walk up toward the back of the condominium and you get 25 to the kitchen? 26A. It's a living room, dining room and then 27 a kitchen. 28Q. Okay. So you're in the kitchen. Let's 1 put an F4. Detective Fuhrman. And that's about what 2 time? 3A. Right around 3:00 I would guess. 4Q. And how long did you stay in the kitchen 5 with Detective Fuhrman? 6A. A couple minutes. Until the Detective 7 Phillips and Lieutenant Spangler came back. 8Q. And when Phillips and Spangler came back, 9 which direction did they come from? 10A. Through the garage. 11Q. What happened then? 12A. I leave the house. 13Q. What did Detective Fuhrman do? 14A. He stayed with Phillips and Spangler. 15Q. Now, when you left the house, when did 16 you next see Detective Fuhrman? 17A. I really don't know, half hour. 18Q. Did you see what Detective Fuhrman was 19 doing during that half hour? 20A. No. 21Q. Did you ever see Detective Fuhrman 22 walking down the north alleyway at Bundy. 23A. No. 24Q. And Detective Fuhrman, this entire time, 25 he never wore a coat, correct? 26A. I don't know. 27Q. Well, you testified on direct that he was 28 wearing slacks and a shirt? 1A. Right. 2Q. Correct. But he did not have a coat on, 3 did he? 4A. No. 5Q. Now, after that half hour, where did you 6 first see Detective Fuhrman again? 7A. In the rear driveway. 8Q. And what happened at that time? 9A. I believe he just told me that RHD was on 10 their way to take over. 11Q. About what time is that? 12A. I really don't know. 13Q. How long after you had been in the 14 kitchen? You said that you didn't see him for about a 15 half an hour. 16A. I really didn't know, sir. 17Q. So let's put an F5 back in the driveway. 18 And it's at least, if you're in the kitchen about 19 3:00, you said it was about a half hour that you 20 didn't see him. It was at least 3:30 at that point? 21MR. KELLY: Objection. 22THE WITNESS: I couldn't say what time it is. 23THE COURT: Excuse me? 24MR. KELLY: Misstates his testimony. 25 Argumentative. He said he doesn't know what he said. 26 He didn't know what time. 27THE COURT: Sustained. Save it for argument. 28Q. (BY MR. BLASIER) Now, it was at that 1 point that Detective Fuhrman and Detective Phillips 2 said that robbery homicide was on the way? 3A. I believe it was just -- Detective 4 Fuhrman told me that. 5Q. What happened then? 6A. I believe he went back inside. I'm not 7 sure. 8Q. Detective Fuhrman? 9A. Right. 10Q. And how long did he stay in inside, do 11 you know? 12A. I don't know. 13Q. Did he go in there with anybody else? 14A. Phillips and Spangler were already in 15 there. 16Q. Well, you said from the back driveway you 17 saw Detective Fuhrman go back in. Was Phillips there 18 in the back driveway at the same time; and Spangler? 19A. No, they were in the residence. 20Q. Okay. So when you got the information 21 from Fuhrman that robbery homicide was on its way, he 22 was there with you in the back driveway. Do I have 23 that correct? 24A. He came out of the garage, approached me 25 and my partner and went back inside. 26Q. Okay. And how long did he stay inside? 27A. I don't know. 28Q. When did you next see him? 1A. I really don't know. 2Q. Did you see him again at all? 3A. No, I saw him again but I don't know what 4 the time was. 5Q. Did you see the photographer taking any 6 pictures prior to the time that Detective Fuhrman and 7 Phillips arrived? 8A. No. 9Q. When did you first notice the 10 photographer taking pictures? 11A. When I was in the rear alley. 12Q. On which visit? 13A. It was after Lieutenant Spangler arrived 14 and I left the house. 15Q. Okay. Before you were told about robbery 16 homicide or after? 17A. I really don't know. 18Q. And where was he taking pictures? 19A. He took a shot in the alley from Dorothy 20 and then he was just taking a couple of pictures in 21 the rear and I told him not to step in the evidence. 22Q. It was still dark then. Still the middle 23 of the night? 24A. Right. 25Q. Now at some point, Detective Fuhrman and 26 Detective Phillips leave the -- left the Bundy scene? 27A. Right. 28Q. That before or after Vannatter and Lange 1 arrived? 2A. It was after. 3Q. And, in fact, when Detective Fuhrman and 4 Detective Phillips left, Detective Lange and Detective 5 Vannatter left with them, correct? 6A. I don't know. I didn't see them leave. 7Q. After Fuhrman and Phillips left, did you 8 see any Detectives at the Bundy crime scene until they 9 came back? 10A. I believe there was two detectives from 11 west L.A. I think one of them was Roberts and I don't 12 remember the other one. They were just standing 13 around. 14Q. Let me -- I'm sorry? 15A. They were just standing around in the 16 street. 17Q. Let me ask you about Detective Roberts, 18 what time did he arrive? 19A. I don't know. 20Q. When did you first see him? 21A. When I pulled my car around to the front, 22 around. 23 5:00, 5:30, 5:25 maybe. 24Q. So this is after Fuhrman and Phillips 25 leave, correct? 26A. No they approach me and my car was 27 already in the front when they approached me and asked 28 for directions to Rockingham and Phillips gave them 1 the phone. 2Q. And that was about 5:00. I'm sorry. 3 What would you say the time was? 4A. It was around 5:30, 5:25. 5Q. Okay. And who was there? Detective 6 Roberts was, Detective Fuhrman was, right -- there? 7A. I remember seeing Roberts. Seems like he 8 was there after they asked me directions. 9Q. Okay. And who all asked you directions? 10A. I think Phillips asked me directions. 11Q. Okay. And this was yours in the front 12 area of Bundy? 13A. Right. 14Q. On the sidewalk? On the street? Where? 15A. On the street. 16Q. So back in the front area, we have 17 Roberts and Phillips at about 5:15; is that what you 18 said? 19A. No. 20Q. I'm sorry what did you say? 21A. I said I parked my car out there between 22 5:25 and 5:30. 23Q. Okay. That's when you saw them and were 24 asked for directions? 25A. No. 26Q. When? 27A. They asked for directions about 5:30. I 28 saw Roberts after that time. 1Q. All right. So at 5:30 and you see 2 Roberts after that? 3A. Right. 4Q. And you had not seen Roberts up to that 5 time, correct? 6A. No. 7Q. That's correct? 8A. That's correct. 9Q. Do you remember how Detective Roberts got 10 there? Did you ever see a vehicle -- 11A. No. 12Q. -- That he came in? 13 Now, when you -- when you were out front, 14 as you described, with Phillips, Phillips asked for 15 directions about 5:30, 5:35? 16A. 5:25. 17Q. 5:25, I'm sorry. That was before the 18 picture of Fuhrman pointing at the glove was taken, 19 correct? 20A. That's correct. 21Q. And what time was the picture of Fuhrman 22 pointing at the glove taken? Your best approximation? 23A. Between 6:30 and 6:45, maybe. 24Q. And where were you when you saw that? 25A. Standing on the street directly in front 26 of the residence. 27Q. And where was, well -- we know where 28 Fuhrman was standing in the photograph. He was 1 standing right by the body of Nicole Brown Simpson, 2 correct? And that was about 6:30? 3A. Right. 4Q. Okay. Let's write down the Roberts and 5 Phillips in the front area? 6A. I would put Roberts more towards the 7 Bundy and Dorothy corner. 8Q. But in the area of the front? 9A. Pardon me? 10Q. In the area of the front, when you were 11 asked for directions, towards Dorothy and Bundy? 12A. He was down at Dorothy and Bundy. 13Q. So let's put Roberts and Phillips. 14MR. KELLY: Judge, I'd object. He's not even 15 reflecting the testimony -- 16THE COURT: I think -- 17MR. KELLY: -- The indications he's making on 18 the diagram -- 19THE COURT: I don't think -- 20MR. BLASIER: -- I don't want to misstate 21 anything you've said. 22THE COURT: That's not very accurate. 23MR. BLASIER: Okay. Tell me again what time 24 Roberts -- 25THE COURT: I think the complaint that you're 26 drawing on it, on a diagram that has nothing to do 27 with where Roberts was -- 28MR. BLASIER: Okay. 1Q. (BY MR. BLASIER) Now, at about 6:30, 2 6:35 is when the pointing picture was taken? 3A. Right. 4Q. The picture of Fuhrman pointing at the 5 glove, right? 6A. Right. 7Q. Who else was in that general area when 8 that picture was taken, if anybody? 9A. A photographer. 10Q. Anyone else? 11A. No. 12MR. BLASIER: May I have a minute, Your Honor? 13Q. (BY MR. BLASIER) Now at the time that 14 picture was taken with Mark Fuhrman pointing at the 15 glove, it was daylight; wasn't it? 16A. No. 17Q. How dark was it? 18A. It was like dawn, just becoming dawn. 19 Just started to get light. 20Q. Did you still need to use flashlights? 21A. Kind of subjective. I mean, to stand on 22 the street to look for evidence, probably. 23Q. You could see clearly, Detective Fuhrman, 24 from your advantage point out in front, you could see 25 Detective Fuhrman clearly pointing at the glove and 26 the picture being taken, correct? 27A. Um-hum. 28Q. You didn't need a flashlight for that? 1A. No. 2Q. Now, when did officer Spangler arrive? 3A. Lieutenant Spangler. 4Q. Lieutenant Spangler? 5A. Prior. Possibly 3 o'clock when we went 6 back in the house. 7Q. And where were you when you first saw 8 Lieutenant Spangler? 9A. In the kitchen with Detective Fuhrman. 10Q. And how did -- where was he when you saw 11 him? 12A. Coming in the house with Detective 13 Phillips. 14Q. Coming in the front of the house or the 15 back? 16A. The back. 17Q. The back. 18 When the picture of Detective Fuhrman 19 pointing at the glove was taken, where was the blood 20 on the sidewalk? How far down the sidewalk had it 21 gone? 22A. Maybe to the north west or the north 23 south sidewalk, where they meet. 24Q. Where the sidewalk in front of that more 25 or less the street that meets the sidewalk that goes 26 up to the condominium? 27A. Right. 28Q. Thank you. That's all I have. 1MR. KELLY: Just a couple questions, Your Honor 2 reflex. 3 4 REDIRECT EXAMINATION 5 BY MR. KELLY: 6Q. Officer, the diagram that was up there, 7 before Mr. Blasier entered, a number of times, with 8 arrows pointing there -- 9A. Um-hum. 10Q. -- Were you keeping a log of your own 11 activities that night? 12A. No. 13Q. Constantly checking your watch? The 14 times are written up there. Were they just 15 approximations of yours? 16A. Yes. 17Q. Even though you know whether they were 18 accurate approximations or not? 19A. No. 20Q. Are they just guesses? 21MR. BLASIER: Objection. Leading. 22THE COURT: Sustained. 23MR. KELLY: I have no further questions. 24THE COURT: No further -- 25MR. BLASIER: No further questions. 26THE COURT: Thank you. You're excused. 27THE WITNESS: Thank you very much. 28MR. MEDVENE: Officer Terrazas, Your Honor. 1 2 MIGUEL TERRAZAS, 3 called as a witness on behalf of Plaintiff Goldman, 4 was duly sworn and testified as follows: 5THE CLERK: You do solemnly swear that the 6 testimony you may give in the cause now pending before 7 this court shall be the truth, the whole truth and 8 nothing but the truth, so help you God? 9THE WITNESS: I do. 10THE CLERK: And would you please state and 11 spell your name for the record? 12THE WITNESS: First name Miguel, M-I-G-U-E-L; 13 last name Terrazas spelt T-E-R-R-A-Z-A-S. 14MR. MEDVENE: In the court, please, there are 15 three exhibits not previously noted that have been 16 stipulated to in terms of foundation and 17 admissibility. 18 Numbers 89, close up of the glove and 19 hat, taken June 13 of '94. Number 75, the rear of 20 Bundy a photo of the rear of the -- of Bundy. And 21 number 76, the close up of a blood drop, the rear of 22 Bundy. 23 (The instruments herein described were 24 received in evidence as Plaintiffs' 25 Exhibit Nos. 89, 75 and 76.) 26 27 28DIRECT EXAMINATION 1 BY MR. MEDVENE: 2Q. What is your occupation, sir? 3A. Currently working for Los Angeles police 4 department, assigned to Valley Bureau Crash. 5Q. What is Valley Bureau Crash? 6A. I worked for valley bureau. I work any 7 one of the valley divisions and crash stands is an 8 acronym for communities resources and street against 9 street hoodlums. 10Q. How long have you been with the LAPD? 11A. For approximately three and a half years. 12Q. And what did you do prior to that? 13A. I was in U.S. air force. 14Q. To approximately how long? 15A. Approximately five and a half years. 16Q. What was your assignment with the Los 17 Angeles police department June 12, June 13 of 1994? 18A. I was assigned to the west L.A. Division 19 uniform patrol. 20Q. And your duties? 21A. I was to respond to any kind of radio 22 calls and suppress any kind of criminal activity out 23 there. 24Q. Did you have occasion in the early 25 morning hours of June 13 to go to 875 south Bundy? 26A. Yes, I did. 27Q. Alone or with someone? 28A. With my partner. 1Q. Who was your partner? 2A. Officer Riske. 3Q. Approximately what time did you arrive? 4A. Approximately 0015 hours, should be about 5 12:15 in the morning. 6Q. Can you put up No. 32, please? 7 (Steve complies). 8 Could you tell the ladies and gentlemen 9 of the jury whether the photograph in what's been 10 marked 32 accurately represent what you saw when you 11 arrived? 12A. Yes. 13Q. Would you place on the board, please, 14 exhibit 38? 15 (Steve complies). 16 What is that, sir? 17A. It's an envelope I saw. 18Q. And what else did you see? You can stand 19 up and look at the photo? 20A. Adjacent to the envelope was the glove 21 and the knit cap. 22Q. In the photo also a body? 23A. Yes, sir. There was a body of a white 24 male early 20s to mid 20s. 25Q. Could you put up on the board exhibit 89, 26 please? 27 (Steve complies.) 28 Can you take a look at 89 and tell me 1 what that is? 2A. It's the glove and a knit cap. 3Q. And when did you first see those? 4A. I first saw them June 13, 1993 (sic) as I 5 walked with my partner to the doorway, I saw them at 6 approximately 12:20 in the morning. 7Q. Is that an accurate reproduction of how 8 they appeared when you first saw them? 9A. Yes. 10Q. You mentioned seeing the female victim, 11 the male victim, a single glove and a hat and 12 envelope. On how many occasions in those early 13 morning hours did you see those various other people 14 or items? 15A. On two occasions. 16Q. And could you describe what you used, if 17 anything, as a source of light? 18A. I used my flashlight which would be a 19 streamline flashlight. 20Q. Can you describe how bright the light is? 21A. About room light maybe bright her. 22Q. And at the time you saw the items and the 23 victims, was there just one flashlight on them or two? 24A. Be my flashlight and my partner's 25 flashlight. 26Q. Now, you said on two separate occasions 27 you saw what you indicated. Where were you on each of 28 these occasions? 1A. I was at the -- I believe it was the base 2 of the stairwell, sir, on both occasions. 3Q. All right. 4A. I think the top of the stairwell. 5Q. Did you see more than one glove? 6A. No, I only saw one. 7Q. Now, after viewing the evidence that you 8 described, on the two occasions, where did you go? 9A. I then walked out of the walkway onto the 10 grassy area where I met with Sergeant Coon. 11Q. And did you have a conversation with 12 Sergeant Coon? 13A. Yes, I did. 14Q. And did he give you any direction? 15A. Yes. He told me to walk to the rear of 16 875 south Bundy and guard that area. 17Q. And did you do that? 18A. Yes, I did. 19Q. And could you describe how you made your 20 way from the front of 875 to the rear of 875? 21A. I walked southbound Bundy to Dorothy, 22 walked westbound on Dorothy to the alleyway and 23 northbound on the alley onto the rear of 875 south 24 Bundy. 25Q. And on the way, did you use any source of 26 illumination? 27A. Yes. As I reached the alleyway, I turned 28 on my flashlight. 1Q. And for how long did you have on your 2 flashlight? 3A. Maybe 20 minutes. 4Q. And where did you shine your flashlight? 5A. On the ground. 6Q. And did you observe any second glove? 7A. No, sir. 8Q. Did you make your way to the rear of 875 9 south Bundy? 10A. Yes, sir. 11Q. When you arrived at the rear, did you 12 make any observation? 13A. Yes, I did. 14Q. What did you see? 15A. I saw a black Jeep Cherokee parked in the 16 rear of 875 south Bundy. And adjacent to the black 17 Jeep Cherokee towards the passenger side, I observed a 18 drop of blood. I believe there was some change and a 19 pendant. 20Q. We're going to place on the board, 21 Officer Terrazas, what's been marked 75 and ask if 22 you've ever previously seen the scene that that 23 photograph depicts? 24 (The instrument herein described was 25 marked for identification as Plaintiffs' 26 Exhibit No. 75.) 27A. Yes, I have. 28Q. At the time you saw that scene, was the 1 man in the picture? 2A. No, sir. 3Q. Were the two markers in the pictures? 4A. No. 5Q. Could you tell us what, other than what 6 the picture generally accurately represents, what you 7 saw in the early morning hours of June 13? 8A. It depicts it very well. 9Q. If you could point to the marker that's 10 presently in the middle, can you tell us what was by 11 that marker? You've told us the marker wasn't there, 12 but what was there on June 13? 13A. In that general area was where I saw the 14 change and the pendant. 15Q. And how about to the right of that, 16 looking at it straight ahead? 17A. In that area was where I saw a drop of 18 blood. 19Q. Can you put on the board exhibit 76, 20 please? 21 (Steve complies.) 22 We have exhibit 76. And was the 117 23 marker there when you saw this area in the morning 24 hours of June 13? 25A. No, the marker was not there. 26Q. And what is the object next to it? 27A. It appears to be of blood. 28Q. And could you describe whether or not 1 that was a drop of blood that you saw in the early 2 morning hours of June 13? 3A. It appears to be the same drop of bloody 4 observed on that night. 5Q. Now, the drop of blood, as you observed 6 it that night, can you describe it? 7A. Bright red in color, looked moist. 8Q. How long were you in the rear of 875 9 south Bundy? 10A. I'd say from approximately 12:25 to about 11 4:30 in the morning. 12Q. And your assignment or job back there 13 during that period of time was what? 14A. I was assigned by Sergeant Coon to guard 15 that area, make sure that no Civilian personnel no 16 unauthorized personnel were able to get in. Only 17 Detectives or persons from S.I.D. 18Q. Did any unauthorized personnel get in? 19A. No, sir. 20Q. Now, while you were back in that area, 21 did you have occasion to look around and shine your 22 flashlight around? 23A. Yes, I did. 24Q. And in what area? 25A. I put my flashlight on the ground and as 26 I walked towards the rear gate, I observed another 27 drop of blood on the rear gate? 28Q. Would you put on the board, exhibit 85, 1 please? (Steve complies.) 2 Now, when we say the rear gate, while we 3 put on the board what's been marked 85. Can you 4 describe for the ladies and gentlemen of the jury what 5 that purports to be? 6 (The instrument herein described was 7 marked 8 for identification as Plaintiffs' 9 Exhibit No. 85.) 10A. It appears to be the rear gate that would 11 be leading to the rear of the residence towards the 12 alleyway. 13Q. In other words, that would be a photo of 14 the rear gate standing within the residence or outside 15 the residence looking towards the residence? 16A. It would be standing from the alleyway 17 looking towards the residence so you'd be looking 18 east. 19Q. Now, was that marker that appears on the 20 gate there at the time you saw the gate on June 13? 21A. No, sir, it was not. 22Q. Other than that, could you tell us 23 whether or not what's been marked 85 is an accurate 24 reproduction of the gate as you remember it that day? 25A. It appears to be accurate to the best of 26 my knowledge. 27MR. MEDVENE: Would you put on the board 28 exhibit 86? 1 (Steve complies.) 2 (The instrument herein described was 3 marked 4 for identification as Plaintiffs' 5 Exhibit No. 86.) 6Q. (BY MR. MEDVENE) You mentioned before 7 seeing a blood spot on the rear gate. Can you tell us 8 what exhibit 86 purports to be, if you know? 9A. It appears to be the same blood spot I 10 observed on June 13, 1994. 11Q. At approximately what time? 12A. Oh approximately 12:30, 12:35. 13Q. At the time you saw the blood spot, 14 strike that. 15 Can you tell us whether or not the blood 16 spot appears to be in the position that you recall it 17 that evening? 18A. Yes. Yes, sir. 19Q. With the exception of the ruler and the 20 No. 117, tell us whether or not that picture is an 21 accurate reproduction of what you saw, possibly 22 putting aside the color of the blood spot? 23A. Yes, it is. It's accurate. 24Q. Do you have any memory of the coloring of 25 the blood spot that you saw that evening? 26A. Bright red in color. 27Q. Did there come a time, some minutes after 28 your observation, that you walked inside the gate? 1A. Yes, I did. 2Q. Can you put on the board, please, exhibit 3 81. 4 (Steve complies.) 5 (The instrument herein described was 6 marked 7 for identification as Plaintiffs' 8 Exhibit No. 81.) 9Q. (BY MR. MEDVENE) Can you describe, what 10 is exhibits 81? 11A. It's the rearview of the residence 12 leading to the alleyway. And as you're looking at it, 13 you would be standing inside the residence walkway 14 looking west. 15Q. So it would be the opposite direction of 16 the rear gate photo we say a few minutes ago? 17A. That's correct. 18Q. Now, can you tell us whether or not that 19 photo accurately depicts what you saw the early 20 morning hours of June 13 with the exception of the 21 markers at the bottom of the gate? 22A. Yes, it does. 23Q. Were those marks there when you saw the 24 gate? 25A. No, sir. 26Q. Were they, to the best of your knowledge, 27 at some later date, put on when this actual picture 28 was taken? 1A. I believe so. 2Q. You were not there when a picture was 3 taken? 4A. No, sir. 5Q. Would you put 82 on the board, please? 6 (Steve complies.) 7 Did you see any blood on the inside of 8 the back gate that those early morning hours on June 9 13? 10A. Yes, I did sir. 11Q. We've placed before you what's been 12 marked 82. And could you tell us whether or not, with 13 the exception of the markers, that photograph 14 accurately depicts a gate as you recall it in the 15 morning hours of June 13, 1994? 16A. Yes, sir it does. 17Q. Where did you remember -- what are -- 18 what do you remember seeing on the bottom of the gate? 19A. Towards the bottom of the gate I remember 20 seeing some blood. On the mesh portion right along 21 inside here and along the bottom bar, the gate up in 22 this area. 23Q. Now, when you say along the bottom bar of 24 the gate, that 115 marker, was that there that 25 evening? 26A. No, sir. 27Q. Could you point just to the left as you 28 look at the photo of the 115 marker and tell us 1 whether or not what's depicted there is what you 2 recall on June 13? 3MR. BAKER: Objection. Leading, Your Honor. 4THE COURT: Overruled. 5THE WITNESS: A drop of blood I observed. 6Q. (BY MR. MEDVENE) You were making -- I'm 7 sorry to interrupt, you were making a circle. I just 8 want, for the record, where were you making a circle? 9A. By the No. 115. 10Q. And you were circling, can you explain 11 what you were circling? 12A. It's a -- well, it's a drop of blood with 13 another drop of blood. Adjacent to it, several spots 14 of blood along that bar right in here. But the one I 15 really remember well was the big drop of blood right 16 in here. 17Q. And do you recall seeing any other blood 18 on the lower running of the back gate that's depicted 19 in that photo? 20A. Yes, I remember seeing the blood right 21 along in here. 22Q. When you say right along in here; is 23 there a marker there now? 24A. Marker No. 116. 25Q. And you recall seeing that when? 26A. June 13, 1994. 27Q. Now, will you put up on the board, 28 please, 142. 1 (Steve complies.) 2 (The instrument herein described was 3 marked 4 for identification as Plaintiffs' 5 Exhibit No. 142) 6Q. (BY MR. MEDVENE) We have on the board 7 what's been marked 142. Can you tell us whether or 8 not you recognize what's depicted on that photo? 9A. Yes, I recognize it. That's the smudged 10 blood along the top bar of the gate. 11Q. Was there ever a time when you saw that 12 smudge that you just described? 13A. Yes, I saw it on June 13, 1994, sir. 14Q. Approximately? 15A. Approximately 12:35 in the morning. 16Q. From your time with the LAPD, are you 17 familiar with what blood looks like? 18A. Yes, sir. 19Q. How so, what, in your P.D. experiences 20 made you familiar with the blood? 21A. I've been to numerous calls with victims 22 of crime where there have been bleeding and I have 23 seen it along the ground or on different objects and 24 recognize it to be blood, sir. 25Q. Any question in your mind that what you 26 described to the jury here this morning on the side of 27 the gate, looking from east to west and then again on 28 the side looking from west to east, all those spots 1 were blood that you observed in the early morning 2 hours of June 13? 3A. It most definitely looked like blood to 4 me, sir. 5Q. And from your observation, how did they 6 look, again, in terms of -- 7A. It was -- 8Q. -- Appearance 9A. Bright red in color. Some appeared to be 10 moist or wet looking. 11Q. Did you prepare any notes in the early 12 morning hours of June 13 just generally summarize your 13 observations? 14A. Yes, I did, sir. 15Q. Make any notes of any blood you saw on 16 the back gate? 17A. Yes, I did sir. 18Q. One last question, Officer Terrazas. In 19 all your time there at Bundy, all your time in the 20 rear and all the shining of your flashlight that you 21 told us about, did you ever see a second glove? 22A. No, sir. 23Q. Thank you very much. 24 25 26 27 CROSS-EXAMINATION 28 BY MR. BAKER: 1Q. Officer Terrazas, what was the 2 temperature out that night on the 13th? 3A. I don't know what the temperature was. 4Q. Around 60 degrees? 5A. That would be fair to say, sir. 6Q. And the let me go back. Just a minute, 7 you suggested that when you got there, you walked up 8 the left side of the walkway towards the front of the 9 house, correct, with your partner? 10A. Yes, sir. 11Q. And you both shined your flashlight in 12 the area and you saw the body of Ron Goldman, correct? 13A. Yes, sir. 14Q. You also saw the glove, you saw the hat, 15 it's a knit cap, right? 16A. Yes, sir. 17Q. And the scene was awash in blood; was it 18 not? 19A. Yes, sir. 20Q. And the blood that it was washed in went 21 all the way from when you first observe the blood you 22 were -- Strike that. When you first observed the 23 scene, you were down by the sidewalk, correct? 24A. That's correct, sir. 25Q. And you looked up there and you saw the 26 body of the of Nicole Brown Simpson up by the steps? 27A. That's correct. 28Q. Didn't have any problem observing that, 1 did you? 2A. No, sir. 3Q. It was light enough for you to see it? 4A. Yes, sir. 5Q. And then, the blood that was from Nicole 6 Brown Simpson or from the murders, if you will, went 7 all the way down the trial walkway in the grout of 8 that trial walkway to the sidewalk, correct? 9A. That's correct. 10Q. And there was -- from where you were 11 standing in front of walkway, there was -- blood went 12 all across the sidewalk, right? 13A. That's correct, sir. 14Q. And there was paw prints that went south 15 on -- on Bundy, correct? 16A. That's correct sir. 17Q. And after, in fact, when you saw it, you 18 thought that this was a river of blood coming down 19 from the body of Nicole Brown Simpson down to the 20 sidewalk, true? 21A. That's correct, sir. 22Q. Was it -- it was an enormous amount, 23 true? 24A. Yes, sir. 25Q. Okay. And then you and your partner, 26 Officer Riske, he was standing there observing exactly 27 what you were observing as far as you could tell? 28MR. MEDVENE: Objection. Calls for conclusion. 1THE COURT: Sustained. 2Q. (BY MR.