Such a pity that you only see and report your own version of the truth. There is so much that you don't acknowledge to yourself nevermind your readers. Try learn and teach a little real history, not your version, and you might be able to see what the real causes of the Gaza and 'Palestinians' are. Only then is it possible for you to be a 'grown-up'. At the moment all you are doing is ensuring that every new-born Palestinian will be trained to murder and maim. For this purpose you need to have your own country? You don't need your own country; all you need is flags, guns, rockets and plenty of land to bury all the uneducated masses.

Very kind of Jordanians, especially remembering how in 1979 they massacred 25,000 Palestinians. Now they call us "murderers".
Hypocritical, innit?

P.S. Israel is giving Jordan 50 billion gallons of water each year as part of the peace treaty. I suggest this changes.

Massacre should stop

IN GAZA, Israeli soldiers are killing children like animals

They are not allowing Media, isn't that enough "Israelis are doing everything to hide their crimes and trying their best to falsely implicating Palestinians for things they have not done"

This "massacre" will stop the rockets stop permanently. And that includes Israeli control of smuggling tunnel areas.

You want this massacre to stop? Turn to Hamas. They brought it on Gaza and their stubbornness against stopping arming themselves and bombarding Israeli towns is what keeps this up.

Media is barred,

it’s very unfortunate that the US again is sitting on the sidelines and watching the worst

I agree with Mr. Obama that is not acceptable to attack with rockets his home where his daughter sleeping. (His statement when he was visiting Israel) But I was expecting from him to have the decency to coming out and make the statement that is also unacceptable to attack by airplane and helicopters and with any other means for retribution the houses of others. ISRAELI OR PALESTINIANS for that matter.
When Georgia bombed South Osetia the world condemns the Russian response like an aggression in disproportion with the size of the Georgia attack to the Osetians. Now the retaliation of the Israelis against Hamas rudimentary rockets is clearly disproportionate to the extreme. Peace in Middle East is not possible when Israel attack and kill civilians with the approval of the USA and when the Arabs use the Palestinians for political gains!
U.N Resolutions only good for the invasion of Iraq. What about numerous resolutions against Israel?
Not Nuclear weapons for Iran. What about the nuclear weapons of Israel?
Shame, Shame!
We know already Bush but we not expecting
Double standards from you to MR .OBAMA

Fawad,

Or do children only have rights when you want to bash Israel?

HOW ABOUT THIS VIDEO? HAMAS ADMIT TO USING HUMAN SHIELDS:

Israel is a terrorist State. It doesn't want peace, neither with Hamas or Fatah (PLO – Arafat organization), nor with any other Palestinian organization.
Israel says it has a right to exist – but not like that.
Israel controls the entire economic infra structure down there, it controls all the water rights too.
Israel builds a fence around Gaza and stealing more land of the Palestinians. They turned Gaza into a Warsaw Ghetto.
Their arguments for this massacre are nothing but fake and the whole world knows it, except the Media which is controlled by Jews.
Israel was founded in 1948, before that there has never been a State of Israel.
Palestine has a right to exist they should have their own state.
Israel should be internationally isolated and they should give all those Billions back to the US that the APAC funneled out for them.

And NOW tell me why all these needless deaths

@Fawad
why you are saying such things that you have not even only one evidence for it?
please say resonable things this is not a entertainment blog!!!
you said "Israelis are doing everything to hide their crimes and trying their best to falsely implicating Palestinians for things they have not done"
it is very funny that you said "it is enough that they are not allowing media there" for your expression.
and it is also very funny that you said "And thousands of people have been killed and mutilated"!!! I surprised when you said "mutilated"what is your evidence for your remark?
does anyone wandering there and mutilating people? did you said this?It is your opinion?

WAR IS THE LAST RESORT IN AN UNTENABLE SITUATION.ISRAEL HAS THE RIGHT TO DEFEND IT'S BORDERS,IT'S TOWNS HAVE BEEN UNDER A BARRAGE OF MISSILES FROM HAMAS FOR MANY YEARS.THIS HAS LEFT THOUSANDS OF CHILDREN PERMANENTLY EMOTIONALLY SCARRED.WAR IS NEVER A PRETTY SIGHT IT IS CRUEL ,AND ALWAYS CLAIMS INNOCENT VICTIMS.BUT TERRORIST ORGANISATIONS DO NOT UNDERSTAND DIPLOMACY,ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO'S AGENDA IS THE DESTRUCTION OF ISRAEL AND ALL WESTERN VALUES.'WE ARE LIVING IN A CRAZY WORLD ONLY WHEN ALL PEOPLES ARE DEDICATED TO PEACE WILL WAR BECOME AN ANOMALY AND THE WORLD BE BALANCED.

and CNN helps hamas by double talk reporting:

"The Israelis have been bombing hundreds of underground tunnels between Gaza and Egypt, contending that Hamas militants smuggle arms through them as well as supplies.

CONTENDING???????

CNN, where did they get the Grad rockets from, with the trucks supplying food and fuel from Israel?/

CONTENDING

or did some jounalists bring them in when they still went in to pity the terrorists?

CNN, you are hypocrits. I still remember when you reported that "an alleged terrorist boarded an Israeli bus and blew himself up killing 23 passengers of the bus"

alleged terrorist? what could he have been? a plumber? a teacher? a shoemaker? a taxi driver?

shame on you CNN, you do not report, you editorialize

"And thousands of people have been killed and mutilated "

mutilating dead bodies is a muslim sport

it was done in jenin to the two soldiers who were lynched

it was done in Mumbai to the rabbi and his wife

But I am strongly opposite with killing innocents there.

"All of the Palestinians must be killed; men, women, infants, and even their beasts." This was the religious opinion by Rabbi Yisrael Rosen, director of the Tsomet Institute, a long-established religious institute attended by students and soldiers in the Israeli settlements of the West Bank.

This is what is happening now! with American TAX Money

Hey Dan! Take over for me, will ya? It's 10 pm here and I have a big week starting tomorrow. So I abandon you to these liars. Good luck.

laila tov

It is a pity and shameful how this one sided conflict is allowed to continue and the world just watches. We all know that the militants are no match for a superior army. Now if there was oil in Gaza, we the ‘Western Powers’ would have been there on day-one, justifiably, insisting on human rights.

There is no justification for Hamas to attack innocent Israeli’s via rockets and human martyrs nor is it justifiable for a self proclaimed super power in the region to pound the innocent civilians enclosed within a small area through planes and tanks. Having Supported Obama, it is very sad that he has not shared sentiments as per how the innocent children, women and men feel when planes bomb their homes. You can't kill many innocent civilians to catch a few criminals. Where is the justification for that?

American foreign policy perhaps! Or was it the colonial divide and conquer mentality of the British Rule that continues to aggravate conflicts around the world? Let’s hope for the best after January 20th.

Bastards! YOU learn from your teachers the NAZI.
The use of heavy artillery and tanks ,also air force bombing ,to places where civilians are living in ratio 4.000 people or more to square kilometer is targeting consciously CIVILIANS , KIDS, WOMANS and. ELDERLY That is the last present of the Bush administration to ISRAEL Politician because of the elections .
I am not Arab I am not Jew I am not living in Gaza .I AM HUMAN AND disgusted by THE USA DOUBLE STANTARDS. Enough make use of THE Holocaust (trade mark) to abusing others!

"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it"

from the hamas charter

this is whatt hamas wants to do, kill the jews, and ROD supports them

Rod supports murder of civilians (as long as they are jewish, of course)

Rod supports the destruction of a sovereign state by suicide bombers, grad rockets, lynch etc

Rod supports oblteration by islam

what a nice man, this ROD

beny

lama ata choshev she ani lo baaretz?

Israel is acting as a bully, not listening to UN resolutions, International calls, Aid and Huminitarian organizations to stop targeting civilians. CNN finaly admitted that Israel was the one who broke the truce with Hamas. It is amazing the difference between CNN International and the CNN broadcasting in the USA, the media in the US is very bias, unlike the one in Europe.

thanks.

Hi All

linda

what's up?

I was on the other blog, but Mohammed was trying to fight with me, why I don't know, so I came over here. Evidently he has not read my blogs to even see what I am about. Whatever!

I posted this on the other one, but it warrants being posted here too.

Here is a tid bit of info I came across.
The UN reports(if you choose to believe it) that the United States is the biggest contributer of aid to Gaza. According to them, this fact gets lost in the shuffle because the money is given through the UN.
Here are a couple of other organizations that the United States gives aid to Gaza.

america.gov and usaid.gov
I tried to post them with the links, but I guess they are moderating postings with links now

Hey Rod,
Are you going to speak to me today?

rod is on this one, but he is awfully quiet now (see above)

beny just signed off

haled maashal, from his safe haven in damascus just said
Hamas would agree to a ceasefire on four conditions: The Israeli offensive must halt, the IDF must withdraw from Gaza, the blockade must be lifted, and the crossings opened.

in other words, they can continue terrorize israel as long as they want

we"ll see about that

I am against killing all civilians Jews and Arabs Hamas Does not Represent all Muslims and you all know that they cannot destroy Israel they Know it and Everyone Else does

OK so what do you say about this

UN levels war crimes warning at Israel
Killing of 30 people in Gaza when army shelled house full of evacuees ‘has all hallmarks of war crime’, says high commissioner for human rights

Navi Pillay, the UN high commissioner for human rights, singled out the killing this week of up to 30 Palestinians in Zeitoun, south-east of Gaza City, when Israel shelled a house where its troops had told about 110 civilians to take shelter.

Pillay, a former international criminal court judge from South Africa, told the BBC the incident “appears to have all the elements of war crimes”.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/09/gaza-palestinians-israel-evacuees-zeitoun

Now if Hamas is the problem why kill civilians you put in a house as a Shelter. this really explains the Hamas Charter ! or this is justified by it?

Hi Rod

"Killing of 30 people in Gaza when army shelled house full of evacuees ‘has all hallmarks of war crime’, says high commissioner for human rights"

Putting amongst those evacuees Hamas terrorists and using that house as a launching pad also has all the hallmarks of a war crime, normal logic (that I trust more than "high commisioner") says.

Linda,

Hello, I am a mature person. so i talk to everyone.
I really want you to understand that those warmongers are harming Humanity more than anything else.
those people who are blindly supporting this massacre show there hatred to humanity and lack of respect to human life.

They can distribute their hate everywhere but people of reason will never condone this killing. It is just the criminals who do and we have some here that they are very apparent to those who have common since.

This is a very unethical crime that is happening against humanity.

and the links beny gave about child abuse, using them as shields to protect the Hams, they don't show 'war crimes'?

it is undoubtably a crime, and used for war on israel. i call it a war crime of the worst degree

Well Rod,
You do not have to correspond with me, but I will tell you that you were very unfair to Nona last night. American Jew and I were both trying to tell you that you mistaked her for someone else's comments. You would not acknowledge that, and it was not fair.
Even though we disagree on many points, you have been fair. I hope you apologize to her when you see her online next.

You don’t need your own country; all you need is flags, guns, rockets and plenty of land to bury all the uneducated masses."

Laura.
..may be you dont need your country too. maybe you need another holocaust the same holocaust that you are inflicting on the Palestinians.
as I said before Israel is creating more Hamases and it does not look good for Israel.

as for uneducated People that you want to bury. the Palestinians are more educated than the Jews if you are stupid not to know that then you are an uneducated person and your words tell us how Ignorant you are.

rod,
This is a very unethical crime that is happening against humanity.

You are correct.

Hi Solomon,
Nice to see you

"those people who are blindly supporting this massacre show there hatred to humanity and lack of respect to human life. "

take a look in that video beny gave about hamas admitting use of human shields and tell me now who has no respect for human life.

i understand they have no respect for the lives of israelis, but do they not have respect for the lives of their own brothers?

it seems that the only thing that hamas and their supporters DO respect is death. they are proud to die in order to kill.

"HOW ABOUT THIS VIDEO? HAMAS ADMIT TO USING HUMAN SHIELDS

:Beny.

It does not say any thing about taken children as human shields it is your fabricated Jewish translation that is saying that.
if you are stupid not to know how the Palestinians thinks about their homeland and the sacrifices they are willing to give to that homeland then wait and see the results in the next few weeks and months.

I was going to without you asking actually I came to see her.

But it was disappointing to see that some are condoning the killing and justifying stuff that are done. the pictures are clear the reports are clear. I do not think hamas has the sympathy of the media it is the media that is showing what is happening on the ground. I remember 7 or 8 years ago they interviewed one Aljazeera guy and they asked him why you keep showing the atrocities of the palestinians people and them being bombarded by airplanes the guy simply said " we show everything that is happening, if the Israeli airplanes are dropping flowers instead of bombs we will show it too"

it made sense to me.

we just cannot dismiss everything that is happening and keep supporting this massacre. look for example at this guy who says hamas was in the house that the Israeli military has evacuated people into and bombed this is why it was bombed? that is a very logical explanation because we are all retarded and every American person out there is a RETARD! they will buy it.

Hi Linda nice to see you too.

Solomon,

"the Palestinians are more educated than the Jews"

I can argue that, but it will slide into racism which i don;t want. I'll just say that all the palestinians are educated for is death for the sake of allah.

p.s. funny to see you call linda, a biology (professor or PhD?), uneducated, while everything you have ever posted here flows from the keyboard of someone who probably replaced history lessons with Qasam-shooting field days.

Rod,
I am so glad to hear you were coming to see her, She was very upset. I knew you were a big man :)
I think there is so much propaganda coming out of both sides, through the press, that no one knows what to believe. Call me stupid, but there is so much human suffering on all sides, and that is what I would like to focus on.
We have to stop the suffering! and you are so right, no one can support a massacre.
And please don't say that every American person is a retard and will buy it, because there are plenty of us on here that won't.

"And NOW tell me why all these needless deaths"

Beny .

if you are trying to rewrite a new history of the Middle east without success of course. is it hard for you and your Zionist faccist brothers to fabricate translations of vedeos .

Linda,
I tell you last night, I went to bed and i was feeling a very Horrible feeling.
I just imagined this little kid who fed his 2 siblings who were dying from their wounds and could not be evacuated for 4 days because the IDF bombed the house they were in and won't let Red cross in.
I thought if i was that child what would I do 4 days with my mother. sibling and other peoples corpuses.

If he was an american child or a Israeli child hit by hamas you will see the pictures all over the place. ( he does not need that)

To tell you the truth if I was him I would have preferred to die. I thin death in that instance is more merciful than the Horror.

Some of Israel’s most blatant critics have written that for every Israeli killed, about a hundred Palestinians were killed. A half-truth is worse than a lie, but this is not even a half truth. This is deception. Because months and years of rockets fired at a civilian population are not a matter for bloody accounts. It is a nuisance that no country, neither Syria nor Sweden, would tolerate. It is a provocation that requires a tough response. And if we are already going for bloody accounts, we should do the overall math. We can suffice with just the accounting in the Arab-Muslim world.

So, since the establishment of the State of Israel, close to 12 million Arabs and Muslims have been butchered, most of them by Arabs and Muslims. Israel’s “contribution,” since its establishment, is 60,000, and that includes all the wars and the two Intifadas. In other words, half a percent.

And more importantly, the confrontation is not between Hamas with its rockets and Israel. The confrontation is between Hamas, as one of the entities that compose radical Islam, and the free world. Its declared goal is to establish a world Islamic caliphate as part of an anti Semitic ideology that also calls for the annihilation of the Jews. Explanations will follow. And since political Islam has already annihilated millions without any announcement, we should take it seriously when there is an announcement about annihilation.

Is Hamas part of the global Jihad? Section 7 of the Hamas Covenant explains that it is not a local movement, nor even a national movement. The heading is “The global nature of the Islamic resistance movement.” And later, “Because the Muslims are spread throughout the entire world, the movement is global.” To remove any doubt, Dr. Yunis Al Astal, a member of the Palestinian parliament, one of the senior Hamas officials, who served as dean of the faculty are of Shariyah and chairman of the Islamic Law Department at Islamic University, stated that "We Will Conquer Rome, and from There Continue to Conquer the Two Americas and Eastern Europe."

Is this a movement that calls for the annihilation of the Jews? That is what is written in a continuation of the same section. “The messenger (Mohammed) said, “The Muslims will fight the Jews and the Muslims will kill them, until the Jew hides behind the stones and the trees, and then the stones and the trees will say, ‘Oh, Muslim, Abd Allah, there is a Jew who is hiding, come and kill him.” And this is in addition to blaming the Jews for all the wars in the world, for world domination, etc.

The problem is not with quotes from the sources. After all, even Judaism has Rabbi Shimon, who said, “The best gentile is a dead one.” But that did not become the foundation for any movements. Certainly not for a government party. To the contrary. There are innumerable interpretations explaining the circumstances of that statement and its lack of relevance. Not so with Hamas. The old imperative has become a practical instruction. And the Hamas leaders leave no room for doubt.

Sheikh Muhsin Abu Ita stated on the Al Aqsa channel that “The annihilation of the Jews is a wonderful blessing.” Dr. Ahmed Bahar, acting speaker of the Palestinian parliament stated that “the Jews are cancer, and they and the Americans should be destroyed to the last person.” According to the Palestinian constitution, this man, Bahar, will become the head of the Palestinian Authority if Abu Mazen ceases to function. Dr. Al Astal made clear that the annihilation order is a matter for our time and not for the future, and that "we are sure that the Holocaust is still to come upon the Jews".

The book by Dr. Matthias Kuntzel, “Jihad and Jew-Hatred,” elaborates on the annihilation ideology of radical Islam, including among Hamas. We have not yet succeeded in imparting this awareness to the world. It is still not too late.

There is no logic in madness

The most symbolic event occurred in Iraq. A Shi’ite suicide bomber carried out his attack during a Sunni demonstration of identification with Hamas. A bit confusing, no? After all, this Shi’ite terrorist was supposed to be serving Iranian interests. Iran, as we know, is the country that aids Hamas. And even the battle cries of the demonstrators contained the common denominator of the Shi’ites and the Sunnis: burning Israeli flags and calling for its extermination. So why commit suicide there, of all places? Who was he working for? What exactly was he trying to achieve? Against whom was he protesting? Don’t look for answers, because we are dealing with madness. And any attempt to find some logic is doomed to failure.

Slaughter for the sake of slaughter

Samuel Huntington – the prophet of the Clash of Civilizations – died. He was wrong. There is primarily another war, of political Islam against Muslims. And, in effect, it is not a war. It is one-sided slaughter in which the radicals slaughter others, and the others have no idea of how they might have sinned. Women and children who were butchered in villages in Afghanistan and Algeria by the Taliban or the Islamic Front were not collaborating with the West.

It was slaughter for the sake of slaughter. Just like the hundreds of Indians in Mumbai, among whom were 44 Muslims (far more than the Westerners or Jews) who were massacred by other Muslims. Exactly like hundreds of Muslims who are slaughtered by other Muslims in innumerable suicide attacks in Pakistan,.

But there is a small addition. In the case of Muslims, 95% of the protest from Pakistan through Um el Fahem to Londonistan, is in favor of the radical Muslims. Muslims in favor of those who are massacring them. Like the demonstrators in Iraq. The fact that they came to demonstrate for Hamas and against Israel did not help them. They, too, were worthy of slaughter. We have already said that there is no logic. We reiterate it.

Israel is defeating itself

Lately, when the prevarication mills (the “industry of lies”) began working at full steam on the bitter fate of the refugees in the Gaza Strip, who once again were forced to experience violence, the Cinematheque in Tel Aviv screened the film, The Forgotten Refugees, by director Michael Grynszpan. The film has already been shown in many places around the world, including in the U.S. Congress, but not on any channel in Israel.

The film deals with the Jewish communities in Muslim countries – a million people at the end of the second world war – who were forced to leave or expelled with an enormous amount of property expropriated. They became refugees, primarily in Israel.

The Nakba occurred because the Arabs rejected the UN proposal, and because they declared a war of annihilation on Israel. The Nakba of the Jews in Islamic countries, in contrast, occurred without a reason. The Jews of Morocco or Yemen or Iraq or Egypt did not declare any war. But despite that, in some cases, in Iraq and in Libya, dozens of Jews were slaughtered.

There is no "progressive" academic who does not inflate the Dir Yassin episode. But the slaughter of Jews by Arabs is never mentioned. Most of them arrived with absolutely nothing. They lived in immigrant camps. But they were not perpetuated as an open wound, as refugees, like the Palestinians.

Israel, for reasons that are hard to understand, has never played the card of the Jewish refugees. The story of the forgotten refugees could have been the unequivocal Israeli response to the issue of the Palestinian refugees. After all, the right of the Jewish refugees to reparations is far greater than the right of the Palestinians.

The former suffered and were forced out, despite the fact that they started no war and declared no annihilation. The latter did. So the Jews, and only the Jews, have the right to reparations. Those who do not succeeded in executing their plots of annihilation have no right to reparations. There is no historical precedence for an aggressor who turns himself into a victim. Such an absurdity has never existed, nor will it. Even in this matter, Israel has defeated itself in the propaganda battle. And here, too, it is not too late to rectify the error.

p.s. funny to see you call linda, a biology (professor or PhD?

Meh
. there are thousands of PHD;s that are uneducated in politics.

Rod,
and unfortunately that child will have to live with that horror for the rest of his life. It breaks my heart.
I am so sorry you went to bed with that on your mind. I read that as you were leaving.
I think, no matter what anyone's stance is, that it is effecting people in such profound ways, even half way around the world.
what a shame that this is the world we live in.
Are you feeling any better this today?

When i said everyone is a RETARD i was sarcastically saying it not affirming it. American people are smart people. They do not believe the Israeli Military and Political Propaganda.
You know everyone in their heart know that the one who is killed is not the aggressor.

Solomon,
I don't work anymore, so I am just Linda. I don't get online and try to boast about my education. I do research on my own for Autoimmune Diseases now, for my own personal treatment.

Meh.
.I was just reading todays Guardian.this is part of what they are saying

The Palestinians are among the most thoroughly educated people in the world. For decades, Palestinian society – both at home in the West Bank and Gaza, and scattered in the diaspora – has put a singular emphasis on learning. After the expulsions of 1948 and after the 1967 occupation, waves of refugees created an influential Palestinian intelligentsia and a marked presence in the disciplines of medicine and engineering across the Arab world, Europe and the Americas

What i am after is that they should not kill Palestinian civilians for the Elections ( women, and kids should not be massacred). It is about the elections in February more than anything else.

Rod,
I am against the killing of women and children too. I have so many questions about it though.
I am not sure what the reasons are for all of this on BOTH sides. I think is goes deeper than just land, open boarders, etc, on the side of Hamas, and I also wonder if there is more to it on the Israel side. There is so many factions to this, and I'm not sure either side is willing to admit it.

Linda so sorry for your condition.
let me tell you what i was thinking about what we do.
I was a very outspoken opponent for the war on Iraqi civilians.
I said million and million times this war was for oil, personal hatred to Saddam and has its religious motives ( the extremist religious establishment in the united states)

the results over 30 war lords controlling the streets in Iraq. 1.2 million Iraqis killed, 7 million displaced 80% of them are women and children under 12. we lost over 4 thousand of our young men and women. and over 30 thousand casualties. Spent 1 trillion dollars on this war and we are going into depression not even recession as they tell us.

What if this one trillion dollars were spent on healthcare , energy and healthcare related research.

We would have created millions of jobs in research. we would have contributed to humanity like no other nation in history did. we would have created a new class of researchers that no other country in the world will have. and the economy would have been in the best shape is ever been and for many decades if not centuries.

NIH spends around 28 billion dollars onhealthcare research each year. can you imagine what a trillion over 5 years would have done?

Israel did sed death ... and will havarest it !

i am so sure about!

erywhere in the world people begin to hate jews!
and the world is boiling!
all know US is supporting jews !
CNN is very at the side of israel ... also if it is very hard to keep that side

at other places the leaders try to tranquilize the people
but so much people are going crazy ... and many leaders, who will not act, and so also support israel, will also have to feel the pover of theyr own population! ... politics are going out of controll!
and all people know only one thing ... its because the jews !

allready today i saw jews, so stupid to shout against all muslims, and what they did earn! they were attaked :(
they had to run for life! :(

and that allready in europe !

thats what israel is calling peace!
thats what isral is calling "change of reality"

well done ... the cownt down at israel has bn startet by israel it self
so is it that what the jews are choosen for by god?
choosen to die ?

well done thanks ... now we must hide !
well done !
thanks

The idf needs to start the third stage, just heard they got masri today that s.o.b deserved what he got, wish they could take mashal out, its amazing how they talk so big when there miles away comfy in syria.

Rod,
Your money equation is correct. We could have done so much more for humanity if we would have spent that money differently.
As far as why the United States went to war with Iraq, I am sure that there are many reasons,even as an American, that we will ever know.
I so hate the number of everyone that has died in that war. I will also tell you that I reserve to voice an opinion on whether it was right or wrong to go into Iraq because I do not have all of the facts, and our soldiers are on the ground there. Until every soldier is back home, I will not criticize it. Also as an American, I hope to think that our government has more information than I do.
This is my point about this war, the people in the situation have more information about it than I do.
With that being said, dead is dead, and it is forever.

The Palestinians need to decide which way they want to go.

1.) Let Hamas run their Government and do away with the Palestinian Authority. – with this option there will never be peace. Both sides will fight till the other is the victor. Iran who uses Hamas and Hezbollah as a proxies much prefers this way.

2.) Give the Palestinian Authority full control and do away with Hamas. – Without this option the Palestinians will never have a lasting Negotiated peace leading to their own state. Because you can be sure that Europe and the U.S. will never let Israel be destroyed.

As it stands now the Palestinians are divided. And that will lead to no future except death and misery. Hamas will continue to attack and Israel will continue to respond.

The only way for this war to stop is to have one of them get wiped out. Hamas do not understand reasoning. They will kill people without any conscience and now that they are losing, the cry holocaust and masacre for the good people to stop and they can re-arm to get back and again start killing good people. Their God is not helping them because He knows they are doing something bad to others.

well done thanks … now we must hide !
well done !
thanks

and hide you should, akiva

linda did you really watch the video that American Jew keeps posting?
i know it is long but it is worth watching. I watched it myself twice and sent it to many of my friends. it tells you how things started.

This Gaza massacre is about the Israeli elections.

you know why i refuse the idea that Hamas is the problem ( because Hamas was established by Shin-bet or at least supported by them in 1987. and the problems did not start in 1987 nor was the palestinian people living better before 1987.

Lets for one sec believe that the Palestinians are humans ( not animals like the world have treated them for over 60 year).
what do they want
1- Freedom (The right for self determination and a State that is fully functional not a big prison that is controlled by another state)
2- Security
3- Opportunity

they were not given any of this. actually as time passed they got less and less of all of these.

Rod,
Yes I watched it, and the one you kept posting too. Sometime that is why it takes me some time to respond, I am watching them, or saving them to watch later. I was up until 3am this morning, catching up on the things I had not had time to watch.
They the way, I believe that the Palestinian people are humans. And they should have Freedom, Security, and Opportunity

Killing women and children will not win a war but it will create more hate and more resistance to occupation..

this is part of an article in the times today.

Fighting an enemy they cannot see

In the Zeitoun neighbourhood, the Givati brigade commander, Colonel Ilan Malka, was realistic about what could await his soldiers. “Hamas ran away but didn’t disappear,” he said. “They are waiting for us.”

linda,

"I believe that the Palestinian people are humans. And they should have Freedom, Security, and Opportunity"

i can agree to this as long as it does not mean that israel cannot have the same

the times.

About 800 Palestinians have been killed, many of them civilians, and more than 3,000 injured, but the main fighting force of Hamas was unhurt and lay in wait for the Israelis in Gaza City and the refugee camps in the north and south of the Gaza Strip.

The Israelis have found an enemy well dug in. In recent years, especially in the last six months of the unofficial ceasefire, Hamas has constructed hundreds of miles of tunnels in urban areas.

I've been watching all of the reports of the situation in Gaza and the one question that seems to fail to come up is this...... Is this another Jenin? Around 3000 rockets were fired into Israel from Gaza in 2008. Would the US have responded just as Israel has? I would say probably yes. The world outcry however is because of the reports of large numbers of civilian deaths. Do we forget about the false reports regarding the deaths in Jenin? It seems so. The reports coming out of Gaza are from the Palestinians. Why is it that the world too easily sides with the large number of Muslims without considering the position of the Jews, yet the world says the US is always behind Israel. Lets question the word of the terrorists for once rather than assuming that the Israelis are always wrong.

"Killing women and children will not win a war but it will create more hate"
I can only agree:

May 2, 2004

An Israeli woman in her eighth month of pregnancy and her four daughters were killed this afternoon when two terrorists opened fire at Israeli cars traveling on the Kissufim-Gush Katif road in the Gaza Strip. Soldiers shot the terrorists dead, but only after an explosive device at the scene detonated, wounding three soldiers, two of them with moderate-to-serious injuries.

The victims of the attack were identified as Tali Hatuel, 34, and her daughters Hila (11), Hadar (9), Roni (7) and Merav (2). Tali’s husband was not in the car at the time of the attack, ynet reported. The Hatuels lived on the Gush Katif settlement of Katif.

The Hamas terrorist organization claimed responsibility for the terror attack, Channel Ten television reported. Palestinian sources said, however, that the attack was a joint effort of Islamic Jihad and the Fatah’s Popular Resistance Committees, media sources reported.

Police said the terrorists hit Tali Hatuel as she drove, causing her car to swerve from the road, then approached the car and executed her and her children at close range

how sad that anyone would think that the killing of innocents is justified, to kill 2 hamas militants in a nearby school it is now ok to sacrifice 50+ innocent lives, and those kids besides their dead mothers my heart bleeds for you and what kind of future you may have, and to think that the israelis think this is self defence? go figure

dan,
i can agree to this as long as it does not mean that israel cannot have the same

I agree

for the pro Israel posters here .

did the Nazis do such things.

the Guardian.

n the current offensive, Israel began attacking Gaza's educational institutions immediately. On only the second and third day of air attacks last week, Israeli planes wreaked severe damage in direct strikes on Gaza's Islamic University. The main buildings were devastated, destroying administrative records, and, of course, ending studies. The Ministry of Education has been hit twice by direct hits from the air.

The Saturday of the ground invasion was the day on which most students in Gaza sit their end-of-year examinations. In the majority of cases, these had to be abandoned, and it remains unclear whether they can or will be sat again. Other schools were also attacked – most notoriously the UN establishment in the Jabaliya refugee camp where at least 40 people were massacred on Tuesday.

Linda,
although I have strong beliefs for humans rights and against wars. I do not intend to force my opinions on people and did not want you to agree or disagree with that war.

I support the troops too. My support is that they should not have been endangered in the first place. And my support should extend to bringing them back safe.

If you research things you will find the systematic campaign that was made for that war. Even when Colin Powell made his statement in the UN I analyzed it and found it was not convincing. This administration made over 935 lies to take us to war ( I am not Rep of Dem, I am Independent ). it is just sad that we went to a war based on lies

http://projects.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/?gclid=CKzfnuj_hJgCFSCcnAodHBBDDA

Solomon,
I ask this question will all due respect. Were you at this educational facility? Do you know, with your own eyes, if there were arms being stored there, Hamas fighters there, or if someone was firing from that facility?
I try not to speculate.
Thanks

hey Rod,
I'm and independent too!

linda

the islamic university had a weapons lab inside, just as the mosques were used to store grads

this has been proven by pictures which show many secondary explosions after the initial hit. what exploded, holy books? rockets were seen to raise from the mosques after bombardment. or wre they books??

this makes them legitimate targets

and linda, the videos are available that prove my above facts

linda

i am off

bye sweet lady

Linda.
this is not a speculation this is fact.

the Zionist propaganda want to tell the world that the Palestinians are not Human exactly like the Nazis tried to dehumanize the Jews in the second world war.

we have seen picture minutes after Israeli attacks on Mosques no arms if the TV station on the ground say there was no arms and if the UN say that Israel was lying about Palestinian fighter at schools.

Linda
if you dont believe people on the Ground how can you believe liars that are bombarding these sites from miles away?

Dan,
I lead that question with, "with your own eyes".
It was rhetorical, that is why I said, "I try not to speculate"
i see the pics and reports from both sides, that is my point.
I know what makes something a legitimate target. :)

ant brain.
can you show us these picture or admit that you are a liar.

Solomon,
I am not arguing that the facilities where hit, Please re-read my question.

"I know what makes something a legitimate target"

Linda.
tell us but please dont speculate without any proof.

Linda
I have a question for you if an Israeli soldier is in his house with his children does that make it a legitimate target for Palestinian resistance?

I will give solutions that will work. and these are not my ideas.

Israel will be smart to consider one of these too options. If israel think about a military solution to this conflict they are wrong. They did for 60 Years and did not work. I do not think it will ever work and we do not need to wait another 60 years to realize that.

1- One State solution where palestinians have equal rights to all israelis including the right to vote. no land confiscation and no Expelling of palestinians. A state that recognizes the rights of all of its citizens and treats everyone as equal.

2- A two state solution that the Palestinians will have there own fully functional state not a big prison that is controlled by the state of israel, divided by settlements and palestinians have not right in their own land. this means that they will control their borders and will be responsible for them, control their land, control their seas and sky. and the palestinians have the right to their own land.

I think the second solution is more convenient to the state of Israel. but
My problem is that we do not even want to give them this. we will keep killing them and have our best killed. War will not bring peace, Justice will.

the israeli army has lied so many times you wouldn't know what to believe from them or their government, i also wonder how high the death rate has to be before they stop?

Greetings all

It is painful to see the images of suffering and dying children. I feel for them and hope that this offensive stop as soon as possible.

However, something's been bugging me. How come is it that no one heard much about the rocket attacks on Israeli towns prior to the current events? We know that some Israelis have been killed by the rocket attacks – I'm yet to see a report on them. It's pretty odd considering that the media does have unrestricted access to these victims, while we are being flooded by images from media-restricted Gaza.

And the protests across Western Europe – are they spontaneous?
Everyone is angry with Israel, but is anyone thinking about the invisible hands fuelling this rage?

American Jew hey

I am speehless with furor and disbelief at what I see and hear on Gaza.

Today, for the first time I am speechless but am glad to see the worldwide protests

Lida.
please dont think that Iam attacking you I do respect you.I know that you support Israel that is fine too I support Palestinians I hope it is fine with you too.

any human that is put in the situation that the Palestinians are in will react the same.they are an occupied people they are fighting for their freedom

no difference between the Palestinians and the Dutch and French resistance against the Nazis

For the first time today, tears and anger

Linda I am sorry the mistake in the name was not intended.

why do the palestinians support the non stop provcative rocket bombing of israel? hmm?? like pres elect obama said, "if anyone was shooting rockets at his house, he'd do everything in his power to stop them" by the way i think peter is very biased and I even wonder if he has a nazi heritage?

American Jew Hello

"For the first time today, tears and anger"

I know you are against this from day one.
whats about today. why for the first time.

Hello Everyone...:)

Works both ways, Jeff.

If anyone was dropping tons of bombs on my house, I'd do everything in my power to stop them...

a very human reaction on both sides

American Jew welcome again I feel the same. I saw a little girl who had her two legs amputated. very beautiful girl. she was smiling they asked her what do you tell other children around the world.
She said I want them to know That I am a child just like them.

Hi Professor and Rod!!

AJ,

I have been shedding tears since day one.... I know how you feel.... I have not been able to sleep at night... thinking about those children and their mothers.

Hi Linda, AJ, Solomon and Rod,

I haven't heard any good news today ... have you?

away for 30 minutes.

Oh, sorry. I missed you Akiva, so Hi!

Lynne no "no good news"

more than 860 killed and 3600 wounded 400 of them in serious condition. more than half of them are women and children.

Solomon,
you wrote:
I know that you support Israel that is fine too I support Palestinians I hope it is fine with you too.

When did I say I was on the side of Israel?

Has anyone here seen the pics of the Orthodox Jews in New York demonstrating against the Israel?

Hi, Lynne!
Hi A J!
Hi Professor.
I stepped away for a minute

Prof,
many Jews are against this but those are not the ones who are in power.
it is an Election game.

Hi Professor!

Rod,
Did you see the headline from the Independent? Wonder if all this is true ...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/massacre-of-a-family-seeking-sanctuary-1297577.html

Solomon,
Anger all along, but it has been building up inside me for two weeks now.

Muhamad Ali,

Your pst is brilliant! May I have permission to copy and paste it to another blog where the anti-Israel lobbyists could do with some great reading material?

Prof,

No, I have'nt seen the pics of the NY Orthodox Jews. You have a link ... or the channel?

Muhamad Ali,

Your post is brilliant! May I have permission to copy and paste it to another blog where the anti-Israel lobbyists could do with some great reading material?

I saw a small boy crying in terror as bombs dropped and it just hit me hard!

Lynne,
I looked at your link. What a horror story. If this continues, it will put Steven King out of business. and I am sure there are more stories like this that people have not been able to tell

When it gets too difficult to take in, at least I can break away, unlike them over there who must endure 23/7!!

Someone sent them to me in an email... is there a page I can upload them to so you can all see them?

I am not sure of the original source though...

24/7 I mean

I also has a real video clip from a cell phone that someone took in Gaza after one of the Israeli ciminal attacks on Gaza.

I can upload that too.... so you guys can see it.

Anyone who will not cry after watching this video clip is not a human.

Sad yes
But the fighting to eliminate Hamas must continue

Muhamad Ali –

Loved your post! It really puts the conflict into a proper perspective. Israel (and the entire western world) needs to defend itself against constant attacks from Islamic terrorists who seem to be supported by the majority of Muslims. The Muslims don't seem to realize that they are far more likely to die at the hands of these Islamic terrorists than the Jews.

Hi Nick!

Hey Linda!
Whats happening,

Bill,

Yes, an excellent post by Muhamad Ali. I never understood Muslim killing Muslim. For some reason, I thought that it was not allowed.

This is a day when I cannot tolerate the constant black and white reasoning that is used to justify this horrible conflict

AJ,

To me, there is no B&W, only shades of gray. I'm just sick of all the killing.

I agree with Bill, Their praised terrorist organization uses children as shields, the Israelis don't wrap the sides of their tanks with their citizens for armour.

Say it again, Lynne

When on the ground, there is no reasoning...only terror

me too lynne

Muhamad Ali,

There is a blatant lie in your post that other liars in the Israeli Administraton, Israeli Embassies and Israeli supports have used to.... by saying this is not a between Israel and Hamas only but between the Free world and Hamas....

I think we all have the seen the Free World speaking against Israel all the way from the US and South America to Australia passing by Europe and the Arab world....All spoke with one voice....

Long Live Palestine and Israel needs to stop its crimes against the Palestinians..... Even in Turkey the latest friend Israel has added to its small list of friends.... we saw how they welcomed the Israeli basketball team with shoes kassam rockets falling on their heads.... ;)

cnn if you tell us about new hama rockets
why you dont tell about new israel weapons?

update now: as usual israelies ignored their promise attacking another school of the UN killing more innocent people !!!
as for massacres no.s are mounting :
total: more than 855 deaths...( 275 child , 100 women, 70 elderly ,6 aid worker, 4 journalist...)!!!!
regard jomana report i want to say bluntly that we don't trust israelis after this holocaust ..!!
to Beny : there will be no peace with a terrorist state !!!!!!!!...

Nick-Canada,

Ofcouse Israelis don’t wrap the sides of their tanks with their citizens for armour becuase they use Palestinian children.

cnn ... always talk about war with weapons...
what is with war without weapons?

psycho war maybe ?
no food?
deny others?
embargos to others?
...?

maybe thats important too

Fighting militarily will not stop Hamas or Israeli govt as last 60 years have shown

A J,
How are you feeling today? Did you get the knots out of your neck and shoulders?

Nah, Linda, but thanks for asking. Power chair Warrior #2 at your service

BRINS NOT BRAWN!!

BRAINS NOT BRAWN!! I MEAN

I don't get the whole "Protest" thing. It's obvious and stated many times, that Islam wants to "win"; ie be supreme on the planet. Ok. So do other cultures, nations, etc. So what's the problem? One side or the other will win. I hope it's not Islam. Sharia is not my idea of a good legal, philosophical, or political/religious system. As for this nebulous "Peace" that everybody is screaming about, I have to ask; "Peace on whose terms"? Not Islams if I have anything to say about it.

I'm sorry to hear that AJ, I was thinking of you when I woke up. I was hoping you were feeling better. If you are like me, all of the stress sure takes a toll.
Power chair warrior #1 responding with Love :)

israel will pay that !!!

AJ,

The vicious circle goes on. I have been very afraid for the Gazans, but now after reading about all the protests everywhere, I am afraid for the Israelis, too. It appears that more and more moderates are losing their minds over this. Israel might succeed in wiping out most of Hamas and stopping the rockets for a while, but I don't think they will see by whom and from which direction the next is coming from. It won't be from any "terrorist group".

Is the Mayan calendar correct?

I had a dream years ago. My nephews were quite small at the time. I was sitting in a dim room on the floor with 2 grown men I recognized as my nephews, and a young woman. I kept saying we must stay together, away from the windows, and pray. I have never forgotten this, and the dream was 38 years ago! A premonition of things to come?

I don't know.

6ftRabbit,

Remind us not to take your openion on that matter then... ;-p

Lynne, I saw the article. Yes this happened it is very sad.

American Jew look at this:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/massacre-of-a-family-seeking-sanctuary-1297577.html

Very, very difficult to stay centered with this imbalance.

But I continue to call for recognition of the humanity of ALL in this mess.

Sop the violence, destruction and murder on both sides now!!

This is getting absolutely nowhere...just creating years more of the same BS

as israel say ... hamas are hiding behind civilians
so its very logical that civilians have to pay for that

very good legitimation by israel !!!!!!!!!!
what is that?

they wanna get peace ... they wanna help these poor civilians which gt abused by hamas .... so its logical to kill these civilians ... so they get saved !!!!!!!

how stupid are we ?

No winners 6ft!! NONE!!!!

if they bring down hamas which is unlikely, can you imagine all the people with all the new hatred towards israel! violence is not the answer, you want peace you don't kill anything and everything that moves in Gaza, human rights for all humans that includes the palestinians!

Lynne,
The Mayan calendar is suppose to be. That means we will be here for less than 4 more years. I was just at some Mayan ruins in Sept. and our guide was 1/2 Mayan. He said that the world has the meaning wrong.

CNN whole europe get crazy not only argentina and egypt !!!!!!!!!

in europe jews allready have to pay!!!!!
jewish shops get taged as jewish ... they put poster on them
people boycott jews around the world

jews have allready to hide again for life

and USA is still supporting that?
thanks condoleza thanks bush ... thanks israel!!!!!!!!

Lynne
Extremism is not an Islamic problem only and it is not new.
actually everyone forgets the first suicidal incident that killed many people was sone by Samson and was praised in the bible and tora and he was an israelite

Thanks Rod and Lynne for referemce o Independent article.

No need to convince me of the horror faced by these folks.

It justs gets worse and worse. I am fully ouytraged

Linda, what did theMayan say?

Linda,

What did your guide say? I was in Tulum a couple of years ago - first time in about 25.

The old ones are gone.

American jew how long did you live in Israel?

Long live Israel, Long live Canada, Long live America, I would fight for all three, I am speaking as a youth, don't think that there is one person who was young during 9/11 that would ever support a terrorist organization or a people that support this terror by electing them to run their land. I am speaking of future leaders in this country. Half the wars you all talk about happened before I was even born. I have only had enough time in my life so far to learn about Canada and the States. Thus far most American youth only know of 9/11 as something significant that happenend war wise in there life. There is such a hate for Islamic terrorists in the youth of these nations anyone standing for them does not stand a chance. I was going to a High School in the south suburbs of Chicago when 9/11 went down. I have never seen anything like the unity of Americans in a time of tragedy where it affects everyone. It was a beautiful. I remember driving around with a friend on that sad eve, and already just about every car on the road had an American flag waving out the window. Fire engines and Police cars driving around with many flags and lights flashing as to show support to our fallen. Every house had its family on the front lawn standing and burning candles. There was not a church in the whole of the country that was not full, and it was not sunday niether. The next day there was not a single car without a flag. Everyone was so Patriotic, Everyone. This is what the youth of are nation saw that night. Good luck getting their vote all you Hamas supporters, Good Luck

Life AS WE KNOW IT may end but not life itself?

Certainly murderous idealogies need to end!!

CNN all your sources or most your sources are in israel!
you tell us what they are telling you !
they are in war ... they not only tell the truth !

be carefully with all what comes out of israel !
they allready have lied much at us and alleardy it is proofed!
be carefully with what they wanna let you tell us !

A J,
I feel the same way, I am outraged also, and since I refuse to say that I denounce one side or another, people have tried to pull me into arguments. I ask you, is this helpful? I am outraged at both sides and ALL of the killing and fear. We have to remember, even people, In BOTH countries, that have not been killed or injured, are seeing and hearing horrible things, living in horror. This is unexceptable to me.

Lynne,
I was in Tulum too. Loved it! He said that it will be the beginning of a new era, not the end of the world.

It is all unacceptable and unworkable, yes.

It gets harder to stay 'objective' tho

I agree with you A J,
On one level, I see it one way, on another level, I see it the other. Remember, I was a Paramedic, I see it with much different eyes than most. My eyes are very sad, and I'm getting angry.

AND LONG LIVE PALESTINE, NICK.

DOWN WITH IDEALOGY ON BOTH SIDES THAT IS KILLING ALL.

Exscuse my sreaming there folks
:) smile

I have finally found the American Al-Jazerra magazine.

Ted must be proud.

bad spelling day...

Nick,

I am old, and I have found hate breeds hate. This is not good. It's a waste of energy and productive time. It makes you old before you get there chronologically.

I have lived in the ME (Tehran) and in Mumbai. I remember ordered blackouts in Mumbai in 64-65 because the Indian gov't saw that war was inevitable, and how afraid people were.

After 911, I saw a lot of people in churches. But I saw these same people desecrating mosques desecrated and attacking other people because they thought the others were terrorists. I'm sorry, but Seikhs are not terrorists ....

Linda,

Perhaps to get to the new era, we as humans must wade through blood?

Long live a Palestine not run by Terrorists!

Israel is using White Phosphorus bombs in Gaza and khan younis This is in violation of international laws or conventions. according to a Norwegian doctor who treated Palestinian civilians today in hospitals in Gaza.

.

Rod, I lived in Israel 2 years and have been back and forth many times

Nick,
Very well spoken, about what the young people saw on 9/11. My son was 12. We had just been to NYC a few months before. He did not know exactly what was going on when he came home from school that day. When I told him, and he saw it on TV, the color washed out of his face, and he said, "mom, I'm glad we weren't there today." I cry as I type. We very well could have been. And many people were, people that we know.
People terrorizing people have to stop.
Imagine the people in Gaza and Israel right now.

Long Live an Israel not run by Zionists!

another school was hit by Israeli forces in Gaza. 50 wounded and some dead in this attack.

Asma-al Assad could have been comparing her life with that of many people in many parts of the world, take Zimbabwe, to name but one, of the many, yet they receive very little exposure. The humanitarian situation in Gaza, which is given such exposure is constantly placed on the heads of the Israelis. Why? Are the Israeli children not allowed to grow up in peace? Must they live in constant fear and the threat to their lives by the daily rocket attacks on their cities. What other country defending itself, is required to stop the offensive to allow the opposition to use the humanitarian efforts to re-arm and continue their rocket attacks? Asma- al Assad and the many demonstrators should see the position from the other side. Allow Israel to live in peace, stop the rockets.

Lynne,
You could be right, I know those people over there are right now.

Nick-Canada,

How would you like it if Russia, China or Cuba want to decide for you who should be running the government in Canada?

A terrorist is one who seeks to promote their own cause. Does this not make both Israel and HAMAS a terrorist.

If Israel is not a terrorist for defending their people, than those who belong to the military wing of HAMAS are freedom fighters.

Is it only Israel that has the right to take land from the Palestinians. Does not the Palestinian have the right to fight fire with fire.

The time has come for HAMAS to take a peaceful path and Israel to return all land taken from the Palestinians since 1967 and for these people to have East Jerusalem as their capital.

Israel and Saudi Arabia have one thing in common, when oil is longer needed do they honestly think the US will care what happens to them,
I think not.

Now is time to take action, which will give both sides the right to live in peace as neighbors.

Solomon,

When was this? Please post us links ...

While this might be a little off target, is all well with you today?

Linda that almost made me cry.

Well said Linda!

And how many 100s of violations of int'l law does that make now, Solomon?

Long Live Palestine.... with their freedom of choice.... ;-p

Akiva you are one sick puppie

Lynne.

it was on the news few minutes ago.

I am fine thank you.

The mythological idealogy of Zionism and the idealogy of extremists like Hamas MUST die out to make way for the human reality (humanity) of social justice, peace and equality for the Palestinian and Israel people.
-perspective of an American Jew

“Changing society does not require us to forget or revise the past, and living together does not require us to abandon our identity, culture, and history, even in the context of a bitter and bloody conflict”
-Ali Abunimeh, Palestinian-Americazn

I don't want to make anyone cry, but peoples lives are at stake, while we blog and people protest. What can we do in the entire world, to stop the violence? You see, I am a mother, a mother who loves her son, country, and world, I love humanity and I do not want to see it destroyed. I am a Sister, Wife, Aunt, and Daughter. Do I have to bury my family or friends, or do they have to bury me, just for the sake of ideology? Don't we all have common ground?

YES! Damien, I agree!!

Freedom fighters who fight their occupation throughout the history has been called terrorists by the occupying forces. They always are praised as heros by thier people and others specially after their people gain their freedom and get rid of the occupation.

Professor
If your saying the Palestinans have the right to vote whoever they want they do. Which they did, hence evrything thats going on. If we voted for Barrack and he starts launching rockets into Russia, I'm sure the people of America (women, children) would feel the retaliation.

I find it odd that many people don't seem to know the difference between fact and opinion.

"I know that mosque didn't have weapons in it." Really? Were you there? Did you thoroughly inspect the mosque just before it was hit?

"Israel is targeting UN Aid personnel." Really? Did you see it happen?
Were you there? It turns out that yesterday's killing of a UN aid truck driver was done by snipers, not an Israeli tank shell. The wounded were evacuated to an Israeli hospital. They had gunshot wounds. Another Jenin-type response?

And my favorite, "Israel is targeting innocent civilians!" Really? Were you there when Israeli commanders gave the orders to shoot innocent civilians? Can you read the minds of all the Israeli soldiers who are risking their lives firing at cowardly terrorists who are admittedly hiding among civilians? Those soldiers have nothing better to do than kill some women and children instead? Such arrogance! If Israel was systematicallt targeting civilians, they why should they have a truce everyday to let them get necessities? Why should they let in humanitarian aid? Are women and children dying? Yes. We have all seen the evidence on BOTH sides. Does that establish a fact that Israelis are targeting them? Absolutely not.

We are all entitled to our opinions. If you have no real evidence supporting your opinions, then they are not facts. No matter how fervently and emotionally you believe your opinion, it is not a fact.

Unless you have facts – you don't know the truth and you are taking a cheap shot by calling other people liars/criminals/etc until you do.

How come I never hear an apology when these people are proven wrong by the facts?

Just my OPINION...

Solomon,

No wonder I missed it. I don't have the TV on a news channel ... was becoming too depressed without seeing anything to be hopeful for.

Nick,

You might think Akiva is a sick puppy, but occasionally there are words of wisdom in his/her posts.

America isn't about to elect Osama,

Professor,
I see Freedom Fighters as the people that were on Flight 93 on 9/11. Those people fought and took that plane down, in the middle of a field, knowing they would not survive, but to save more lives.

Depends who's listening

Linda, great question

My answer, yes we are ALL human

It is a humanitarian issue!!

Linda.
beautiful words but is the US listening?the senate and house unanimously support Israel action in Gaza.I need your comments.

Bill,
I said the exact same thing.
Were they there, did they see it with their own eyes?

Linda,

I think all people can find a common ground, it's just that they are to pig-headed to build on it when they find it. They just can't seem to let go of bygones. I think you're father's family could be an example to us all (if I correctly remember your posts earlier this week).

Solomon,
I hope everyone is listening!

Nick-Canada,

I and everyone on here now see what kind of common sense you have.... :)

Linda
Right on, these are the things that help me sleep well at night. We have an army, but we have even a bigger army of every American who cares for every American

Facts and opinion don't count for nuthin' at ground zero
reason just does nit apply as your kid lies dying besside a dead o=parent

Yes, Lynne,
I also had that discussion (my fathers family) on the next blog down, today. P
Pig headedness gets you know where.
We all need to build on it, you are so right

I dont know what the Palestinians have to do with the terrorist act of Nine Eleven.
Pro Israel posters keep repeating that .

Linda,

Thats good for you....

I have a broader definition of freedom fighters.... ;)

Solomon,
No one said they did, it was a totally different conversation

Akiva
Jesus told the murderer and the theif that today they will be with there Father in heaven, sorry for name calling, there is still hope for even you.

Bill.

oh I did not know that you were there after these buildings were bombed. maybe you should give us some proof of your allegations.

Solomon
You must look at the larger picture here, this is ultimatley a war against the west.

Solomon,

Bush and the US media kept repeating the same words.... until as we all know.... when a teacher asked the young children at her classroom Who is behind 9/11 attacks they replied "Iraq".

Israel want people (specially young children) to believe that Palestinias are behind 9/11 so they grow up as Israeli supporters.

hey Nick
Those pirates were killed after getting the ransom. They are going to talk about it on FOX.
Sorry for the change in subject, we were discussing it last night

Solomon, For what it's worth, here email I sent to my congressional rep this a.m.:

Greetings Rep. ....,

As a constituent of yours and a member of the Jewish community, I was VERY disappointed to learn this morning that you voted for resolution 34.

Shame on you!

I voted for you because you presented yourself as a candidate for CHANGE. The USA cannot continue its blind support for Israel's despicable killing policies against the Palestinian people.

The funds blindly poured into Israel for over 60 years could have been and can start being used for our own citizens' welfare, instead of towards war machinery to kill those in other countries.

The USA has outrageous debt and a desperate need for health care in this country, which I thought was your priority!

The funds you voted to go to Israel's disproportionate war could be used for saving our children's lives, instead of killing Palestinian children's lives!

What in the world happens to you politicians once you get elected?!

Your vote for the continued blind support for Israel is a vote against humanity.

Diplomacy is the only way. It is a HUMANITARIAN issue. History shows this path has never been extensively tried between the Israelis and Palestinians–ever! Certainly what has been tried up to now has not worked!

I hope you change your tune.

Yours Truly,

"You must look at the larger picture here, this is ultimatley a war against the west."

Nick-Canada.

may be you should explain to us why is it a war on the west.

I find it somewhat strange when people (anyone) says what other peoples intentions are. Or what they think, or why someone does something if they don't tell you their intentions.
Professor, when you say "Israel wants people to believe", who in Israel are you referring to?

Oh man... I still have not received my pay check for being on this blog.... does anyone know what is the delay?

Nick,

I must respectfully disagree with your war against the west hypothesis. For now, most Arab nations see US policy as one-sided. They do have a good case in my eyes, but that is only my opinion. I really did expect some disaster on our soil way before 2001. Since the US does not even appear to listen, and likes to assign blame, our gov't has created a monster (or many monsters, if you will). There are evil people in the west, just as we are seeing evil people in the middle east creating problems and wars. It takes two to tango, you know.

The Palestinians need to WAKE UP!

Hamas will never be able to get you your own state. Why? because there is absolutely no way Israel is going to be defeated. How many wars is it going to take for you to figure this out? If you want peace get rid of the extremists. Stop brainwashing your kids to become suicide bombers. Negotiate with Israel instead of launching rockets. Israel blockades Gaza for one reason and that is to protect it's citizens. Where has Hamas gotten you so far? more death and misery?

Nick-

I never heard of a Canadian who support killing and spread hatred to Islam as much as u r .

Stop putting Canada name on this shit, u here 4 many days now stop this shit.

Bloggers he speak on his name and Canada got nothin to do with it .

A J,
Great Letter.

American Jew.
God bless you this is to show that it is not between Jews and Arabs but between Zionists and Arabs.

I dont know if you have seen the thousands of Jews that were demonstrating against the Killings in Gaza in Australia and Europe..

Wow,
Why are you all ganging up on Nick? His opinion is just as valid as anyone else's

Solomon,
There are demonstrations all over the world, on both sides. Do you think they will accomplish anything?

Yup, many of my friends are out there today in my city, Solomon.

Wish I couldve been there, but my protest continues here at CNN's Blog Wars–bad spelling and all
:)
Power Chair Warrior #2

BRAINS NOT BRAWN!!

Good night everyone.... Let me know where you hear anything about my paycheck.... its really unreasonable for me to spend 24/7 on here and not get my paycheck yet.... Don't you all agree with me?

Talk to you romorrow.... only if I get my paycheck.

Hamas will never be able to get you your own state. Why? because there is absolutely no way Israel is going to be defeated

Thomas.WOW.

Only God will not be defeated. if you know any thing about History you will find out that every one that lived by the sword died by the sword.

Thomas,
Good point.
There are so many people with so many views, I find myself agreeing with a lot of what most people have to say.
How about the rest of you?

Nick are you still here?

Linda,

Wow... there are demonstrations all over the world on both sides?.... You are a joke. really.

I worry that someone will supply the religuous fanatics in gaza with chemical or biological weapons and Israel will level it in response. It's just too close quarters for any mistakes.

AJ,

I echo Linda.

Now to repeat myself:

"Throughout the long and bloody struggle of Jew and Arab for dominance in Palestine, each crying fiercely: "This land is mine"- except for the brief reference in the Report of the Royal Commission (hereinafter referred to as the Peel Report) and the little evidence, written and oral, that we received on this point-the great interest of the Christian World in Palestine has been completely overlooked, glossed over or brushed aside.

We, therefore, emphatically declare that Palestine is a Holy Land, sacred-to Christian, to Jew and to Moslem alike; and because it is a Holy Land, Palestine is not, and can never become, a land which any race or religion can justly claim as its very own.

We further, in the same emphatic way, affirm that the fact that it is the Holy Land, sets Palestine completely apart from other lands, and dedicates it to the precepts and practices of the Brotherhood of Man, not those of narrow nationalism.

For another reason, in the light of its long history, and particularly its history of the last thirty years, Palestine cannot be regarded as either a purely Arab or a purely Jewish land.

The Jews have a historic connection with the country. The Jewish National Home, though embodying a minority of the population, is today a reality established under international guarantee. It has a right to continued existence, protection and development.

Yet Palestine is not, and never can be, a purely Jewish land. It lies at the crossroads of the Arab world. Its Arab population, descended from long-time inhabitants of the area, rightly look upon Palestine as their homeland.

It is therefore neither just nor practicable that Palestine should become either an Arab State, in which an Arab majority would control the destiny of a Jewish minority, or a Jewish State, in which a Jewish majority would control that of an Arab minority. In neither case would minority guarantees afford adequate protection for the subordinated group.

A Palestinian put the matter thus: "In the hearts of us Jews there has always been a fear that some day this country would be turned into an Arab State and the Arabs would rule over us. This fear has at times reached the proportions of terror . . . Now this same feeling of fear has started up in the hearts of Arabs . . . fear lest the Jews acquire the ascendancy and rule over them."

Palestine, then, must be established as a country in which the legitimate national aspirations of both Jews and Arabs can be reconciled, without either side fearing the ascendancy of the other. In our view this cannot be done under any form of constitution in which a mere numerical majority is decisive, since it is precisely the struggle for a numerical majority which bedevils Arab-Jewish relations..."

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/angch01.asp

Solomon,
Is it worth all of the death and horror to try and defeat Israel?

Linda.

Yes they will. if the American people are seeing what the rest of the world is seeing we will have change.

Professor,
Why am I a joke?
I am watching it as it happens. Who do you think one side is screaming at to, on the other side of the street?

Linda,

Its worth every drop of blood to eradicate every occupation off this earth.

Prof,

We enjoy your input. Forget the check ... it's only paper, anyway 8)

Linda,

becuase there is no comparison.

Solomon,

I hope you are right. I agree, things must change to let everyone live in peace.

Lynne,

but thats not fair.... one of the members of the terrorist cells run by Brandon said that I am getting a lot of money for being here... well i still have to see the first pay check.... How much do you all get paid? What is a lot?

Hamas will never be able to get you your own state. Why? because there is absolutely no way Israel is going to be defeated

Thomas.WOW.

Only God will not be defeated. if you know any thing about History you will find out that every one that lived by the sword died by the sword.

It is true Solomon, and since you use God as a reference the very existence of the state of Israel is a miracle of God. and it doesn't matter if you are Jew or Christian the same scriptures of both say that God will intervene to save Israel. What we are seeing now are simply the birth pains of what is to come.

Prof,

I'm not getting paid for being here. Does that mean I can get unemployment checks????

One State solution here, Lynne!

This Peel Report was from 1938-9, correct?

I agree neither should 'rule' or control the other

Professor,
Then if you think I am such a joke, you should not read, nor take into consideration anything I say.
I'm not hurt by that, but I don't resort to mudslinging towards you for not agreeing with something you say.
I'll take the High Road.

"Is it worth all of the death and horror to try and defeat Israel?"

Linda.

the question should be.
is it worth it for Israeli Politicians to kill hundreds of Palestinians for the sake of an election?

Lynne,

what a great idea... lets check with Brandon.... or any member of his terrorist cell. They might know the answer to that question... it would be good if I can collect on that too. I know it will not be alot but better than nothing.... hehe

Oh and Lynne,

This was by creat their biggest lie i think.... but what's new?... I think we got used to them by now.... LOL

Professor, I wish!!

I need the $$, SSDI just doesn't cover...always 'more month at the end of the moey'!

Ah Thomas,

And consider the possibility that the Torah, the Bible, and the Qu'ran may be the same tales as Greek and Roman mythology?

I myself believe in the miracle that the wise one lives in all of us, we just have to listen for the voice.

Wonderful wisdom, Lynne

Prof,

Occupation: Certified Professional Blogger

Think that would work?

Thomas.
I am sorry I did not Know that you are one of those crazies.that think that God is locked in a room and the Keys are in their pockets
. I am not sure that you understand what I meant by that but that is OK

Can I get some too Lynne and Prof?

Linda,

Have you seen how many countries are in chaos right now becuase of this?....

Have you seen the numbers in all those countries?...

How can you even mention the two in the same sentence?

There is no comparison....

The same there is no comparison between what Israel has done to the Palestinians over the past 60 years and what the Palestinians have done to Israel over the last couple of years when they started using the rockets.... You cannot equate the two and say this is a war between two countries..... this is a war crime inflicted by an occupier on the occupied.

Solomon,
I am interested in the answer to that question also

AJ,

If I remember correctly, the Peel Report was 38-39 sometime. I have it as a pdf, but will have to find a link.

I was just trying to remind everyone that both Muslims and Jews living in the ME have their fears, and that a solution was presented a long time ago. Everyone involved was just too intent on their own agendas to pay any attention and build a viable solution.

See what happens when you don't think of your brother, and only of yourself?

My card will say:

Blog Wars–war of words professional
CERTIFIED PROFESSIONAL BLOGGER (CPB)

BRAINS NOT BRAWN

Power Chair Warrior #2

AJ and Lynne... woooo hoooo

Lets go for it... I like it...

Good night all... hope to talk to you tomorrow maybe we will get an answer to our question by then.

Professor.
. actually when the Intifada was going on some pro Israeli bloggers at the time were saying Stones are weapon they can kill.
even stones is not allowed to be used by Palestinians.

Right on, Lynne!

One state solution will hopefully one day become a reality.

Affirm it!!

It was 38-39.

Fear is at the coreof all the insanity...

G'night Professor!!

Linda.
the death and destruction is done by Israel not by the Palestinians.

what was the question prof so i can give you the answer

G'night Prof.

AJ, I like your card.

Solomon, the "death and destruction" finger pointing is senseless, in my book. Question: is Hamas composed of Palestinians, or are they a group from another ME country? If they are Palestinian, I believe that they also share in the shame of the situation.

I'm a pacifist. I believe that there is enough of everything to go around if people will just grasp the concept of sharing.

Oh, Okay Solomon

American Jew
. actually we were talking about this yesterday I think Linda and myself.I said maybe that Crazy Ghadafi was right when he said let it be one state and that state will be called Isratine they can live together one man one vote like south Africa they can make arrangments so that the Jews will feel safe maybe he was right..

Im being censored–the IDF is preventing my posts!

I still agree with Isratine, Solomon

Solomon,

A lot of what Ghadafi has been saying in recent years is making sense.

See, leopards can change spots (if they want to!)

Lynne.
it is not finger pointing it is the truth. Israel is an occupying power the whole world decided that including the US.Israel will not leave these territories ,Palestinians have the right as an occupied people to resist that occupation in every possible means according to International law.

now tell me who is responsible for the death and destructions?

i am BEING CENSORED!

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Linda.
you are a wonderful lady. I support that too.it might be a dream but all realities start with a dream.

Lynne.

do you know that Ghadafi personal guards are women?

I'm glad we can end on a positive note, Solomon
I better get off of here for the night, my fellow bloggers. I have to make dinner.
Have a great evening, I will probably check back tomorrow.
Peace to ALL!

3X I have tried to post a small paragraph and 3X nada,

Big Brother is onioring us folks

Someone is terrified of words

monitoring

Solomon,

I am not denying Palestinians the right to resist in their territory. What I would say, however, is 2 wrongs do not equal one right. I would consider lobbing missiles at Israeli civilians against international law.

Israel is a fact of life, sanctioned by the UN. It is not going to go away. If the "freedom fighters" focused on the occupation forces (IDF) within their 1967 territory, and not resorted to blowing themselves up in civilian areas, I think that it would give the struggle more legitimacy. I also think that Israel should not be building the "Jews only" roads and protecting settlers with the military. If Jewish people want to live outside Israel, fine, but do it legally through the Palestinian authorities.

I just don't want to see innocents of either side caught in the cross-fire. Since at this time a one-state solution does not appear to be an option, the Palestinians should become a nation immediately. I remember Arafat threatening to declare the state unilaterally. Beats me why he didn't do it...

Im outta here too folks. I need to rest my neck.

A new language: Portuguese:

boa noite good night

Solomon,

No, I didn't know Ghadafi's personal guards are women. Do you know why? I would find it fascinating to know why a man would chose women protectors and not men.

The mossad is great . How much do they pay you all? I hope it's well paid because you are all selling your souls to the devil. You're not even interesting anymore so you can have this site to yourselves. However, it doesn't change the fact. This is genocide and th Isreali government and the Israeli people are going to have to answer for it sometime in the future.

See ya later, Linda and AJ.

Solomon, looks like you and I are the only ones left. Want to dance?

Hi Bero,

Really??? The Mossad is here?

Take cover ....

Lynne.

nice post I agree 100%.
only one thing need to be explained

the Palestinian state did not happen because Arafat was killed by Sharon .
this murderer Sharon did not want a Palestinian state.

Lynne. sure if you can teach me.

Bye for now.

Solomon the wise,

From what I was reading at the time of Arafat's death in France (God rest his soul), there were allegations of Israeli poisoning. These allegations were never proven by the French, or anyone else.

However, nothing would surprise me. It was an Israeli who assassinated Rabin.

I feel bad for the innocent but I completely back what Israel is doing. These Hamas pigs hide behind civilians and shoot their rockets at Isreal. Hamas and their ilk are cowards, that shoot people in the back while standing behind a child, then bitch when Israel blows up the child. If Muslims don't want everyone else in the world to step on their collective neck, they better clean their own house.

Solomon,

Take care. Hope to see you again soon. I too shall leave and seek food.

Hamas is a group of irresponsible murderers bent upon killing its own people. Firering rockets into another country indiscriminately is asking for retaliation. Hamas reaps what they have sewn. A two state solution has been offered time and again; it requres acceptanceby a responsible government not a band of terrorists with a rockets.

Michael,

I agree that Hamas are cowards, abd I agree that suicide bombing and other terroristt tactics are cowardly. But I still feel sorry for the Muslim world because innocent people are being used as pawns by extremists who site them as their cause but do not really care about them. It is too bad that a few people are spoiling an entire group.

m kroll,

It;s true that Hamas is reaping what they sow. It is too bad they are hiding behind innocent people and dragging them into it.

"Beyond the door
There's peace I'm sure.
And I know there'll be no more...
Tears in heaven ..."
(Eric Clapton)

Greetings and saluations to all lovers of peace!

hi Nona

Here are some things I have a tough time dealing with. Maybe you all can help.

There is so much condemnation of Israel for violating UN resolutions. I never hear any condemnation of the Arab nations violating 181, not accepting the two state solution in 1948, attacking Israel in 1948, and continuing wars, cross-border attacks, suicide bombings targeting civilians, economic boycotts, teaching hate, the Khartoum 3 NOs, re-arming Hezbullah, etc. Why is it OK to knock Israel for violating resolutions but not knocking the Arabs for doing the same thing especially (but not only) re: 181? Seems to me you either knock them both or just forget about the UN resolutions. Of course, once you knock the Arabs re: 181, you accept the 2-state solution which puts you at odds with Hamas and some other Arab regimes, as well as accepting the role of the Arabs in causing (yes, causing) the refugee problem, Israeli control of the West Bank (recall Jordan controlled it before 1967 and did not create a Palestinian state since that would have implied accepting 181’s 2-state concept and Israel got it when Jordan attacked Israel in 1967), etc. So, I believe those who favor eliminating Israel not bring up UN resolutions at all and those who favor the 2-state solution bring them all up, starting with 181 and the Arab rejection. Anything in between seems rather hypocritical, double standard, whatever the going term is. Correct?

According to CNN’s short summary of Gaza facts, three-quarters of Gaza is used for agriculture. Hamas has built over a hundred tunnels for smuggling things from Egypt to Gaza. Is it really believable that they could not have built underground storage for the weapons in the ¾ of Gaza that is unoccupied, or fired their rockets from unoccupied areas? Instead it seems they have intentionally stored and fired from well-populated areas. This seems to me like asymmetric warfare, intending to either deter attacks on their forces and weapons or use the resulting civilian casualties for PR. The counter to that seems to me to be international outrage at Hamas putting its civilian population at risk. But I see little of that. By the way, I am appalled and feel tremendous empathy for the folks who are just trying to live their lives and are in Gaza. They should not be subjected to such enormous misery, death, injury, destruction, etc. But I see the cause as all sides, including the international community for not condemning little actions that ended up leading (predictably) to this crisis. Address the little actions before they lead to blood, which seems to be about all the media report. This kind of asymmetric warfare is very hard to counter. True?

Speaking of the tunnels, couldn’t Hamas have used them to smuggle in food, fuel, medicines, etc instead of rockets and explosives for mortars? In fact, couldn’t Iran, or whoever is supplying the arms, have furnished these? By the way, wouldn’t the smuggling be not required if Hamas were not openly committed to annihilate Israel?

Is it warfare? We have Hamas openly stating its goal of annihilating Israel and then demanding that Israel provide it electricity, fuel, food, etc. Truces we get for a while but enduring peace remains elusive. How can the world expect that there will be peace between two entities when one wants to annihilate the other? That seems like the one is declaring it is in an ongoing state of war with the other, whether there is a truce for re-arming or not. Sounds like war to me, whether hot or cool; remember the “Cold War”? And if it is, “war is hell’, said by a man well versed in the horrors of war.

Most of the Israelis I’ve met want to live in peace. Some want roughly the 1967 borders, some want much more. But mainly they want to live in peace. The path to that peace seems conceptually simple to me: remove the threat to Israel’s existence as homeland for the Jewish people, as described in 181, create a Palestinian state living in peace with Israel, as described in 181, and have the two interacting for the benefit of each other, as described in 181. We came close to this in the late 1990s and early 2000’s, before Intifada 2. I have seen Israeli Jews and Israeli Arabs living very well together, socializing, doing commerce, receiving medical care at hospitals, etc. If lives are the most important, let all the nations of that area teach peace and show Israel on the maps they use to teach their children. Otherwise, let some Arab and Muslim leaders continue their diatribes of hate of Jews and the existence of ‘The Zionist Entity’ with the goal of annihilating ‘the Zionist Entity’ from the world. But don’t be surprised by the outcomes of the latter path; it’s wars, killing, and destruction, aka ‘The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse’. True?

Hi Joan! Thanks for the welcome!

Nona hi there
I am sorry for yesterday.

By the way, it's nice to see some voices of reason here!

Oh, Rod. Thank you for your apology. That really means a lot to me.I accept it with much joy!

I just came and I am glad to see you. I came earlier and wished i saw you.

If we have only voices of reason, there will be no debate. The reasonable people would have solved this a long time ago/

awww, thanks Rod! That is very sweet of you and I really appreciate it.

Bill Clinton said that one of his biggest regrets form his presidency was that Yassar Arrafat walked away from the best peace deal he would ever get. Yet someone on this blog accused Sharon of murdering him becasue he was going to accept a peace deal.

Doesn't make sense.

Someone said Sharon murdered Clinton? Or Arafat? OK whatever – that kinda makes me laugh.

ok guys look at this. I went and researched History that we forget and I am not Condoning any suicide killing
But that was a story that was praised wasn't it
AboutBibleProphecy.com

Samson

Samson, a member of the tribe of Dan, was one of the Judges of Israel. He Judged Israel for 20 years. Samson's mother received a visit from an angel, who told her she would give birth to an unusual son, a Nazirite, and not to cut his hair. Samson had great strength, he killed a lion with his bare hands, and later killed 1,000 Philistines with a jawbone of a donkey. He had romantic encounters with three Philistine women.

He fell in love with one of the women, Delilah. The five leaders of the Philistine nation went to Delilah, and demanded that she find out from Samson what made him so strong, so they could subdue him. She eventually found out it was because his hair had never been cut. While asleep, Samson's hair was cut off. Losing his strength, he was captured by the Philistines, who gouged out his eyes, and made him grind grain in prison.

Later, the Philistines stood Samson in the center of a temple during a celebration, his hair had now grown back. Samson was placed between the two main pillars of the temple. He asked God to strengthen him one more time "so that I may pay back the Philistines for the loss of at least one of my eyes." Then Samson pushed against the pillars with all his might. "Let me die with the Philistines," he prayed.

The temple crashed, killing more Philistines at the time of his death, than during his entire lifetime. His brothers brought him back home and buried him between Zorah and Eshtaol, where his father, Manoah was buried. The story of Samson is found in the Book of Judges, chapters 13-16. The name Samson means "Little Sun."

No Arafat. Clinton is still alive.

So suicide killing ( actually the first suicide killer in history was Samson who was an Israelite) and guess who were killed?
Again i am against it wherever it comes from

Rod,

What does Samson have to do with anything??

Yeah, I know Joan. But both prospects sound equally absurd to me.

ok Arafat did not sign the deal. i researched it and actually there are books about it. but anyway ( i think it might have been the best deal israel is willing to give) but there were things that he could not accept. and really it was not a good deal from their side. he got the blame for it but even people who were involved came out and said that the
The americans and Israelis were as guilty as Arafat.

Why do you think it wasn't it a good deal from their side, Rod?

Nona,

Yes, it's absurd, ut that is the kind of thinking we're dealing with.

No Rod you can clearly see he is retaliating against the first terrorists

I do not say That somson has to do with anything. I saw that people claim suicide bombing on Muslims ( i am a jew) but the history says otherwise.
I am against killing of anyone by any means.
Anyway muslims are not brainwashed people as we like to show. and about 87% of the people who committed suicide attacks in Israel had lost relatives in israeli attacks. the issue is attacks and counter attacks and it is not good for anyone, because it is a vicious cycle that will never end until people who have sanity interfere and take a lead.

I love Bible study. I'm looking at Judges 13-16 now. Doesn't sound like your web site is giving the whole story based on your synopsis, Rod.

Rod, "The americans and Israelis were as guilty as Arafat.' What do you mean by guilty??

Nick good that you brought that up. This is exactly what Hamas is saying "these are retaliations against the State of Israel terror".

dan perman you are a racist. you say and i quote "mutilating dead bodies is a muslim sport" why do you have to contribute to the idea that all muslims are terrorists? WHAT DO YOU HONESTLY KNOW OF MUSLIM TRADITIONS AND BELIEFS. YOU CAST A BLANKET OF HATRED ON AN ENTIRE RELIGION BECAUSE OF THE ACTIONS OF A FEW. BY YOUR WAY OF THINKIN IT WOULD BE OK TO SAY ALL BLACKS AND HISPANIC PEOPLE ARE MURDERERS AND DRUG DEALERS BECAUSE OF THE FEW OF THEM THAT ACTUALLY DO THESE THINGS. WHY DON'T YOU ACTUALLY LEARN A BIT ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHOSE LIVES AND WAY OF LIFE YOU ARE RUINING WITH YOUR COMMENTS INSTEAD OF JUST POSTING OPINIONS WITH NO FACTUAL INFORMATION TO BACK THEM UP

Joan,
Guilty in not making the agreement work.

There were one main issue. and many other details but since i was not there I cannot say everything.
The Right for Palestinians to Return was the main issue.

The only way to prevent Hamas from multiplying is to let the IDF kill or capture all of them in Gaza, only then can there be peace in Gaza. The pathetic UN has only enabled Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran by picking the Islamic terrorist’s side for decades. It is about time the UN and their anti-Semitic views are not allowed to butt into Israel’s right to defend its self. Hamas has bought this destruction to Gaza and the Palestinians lost the right for sympathy when they went to the polls and voted for the destruction of Israel. They have brought the wrath of God upon themselves by being evil.
Fortunately for the IDF, there is no force in the Europe that has the fortitude to commit troops in a military conflict so Israel could basically march all the way to Tehran without any real resistance unless the US would step in to stop them. The gutless French and the rest of Europe have lost all credibility to attain a cease fire with their cowardly actions in the Iraq war. The IDF know the French are all talk and cowards.

Isn't Israel saying these attacks are in response to Gazan rockets?

Rod,

I still don't get it. Samxon killed himself and others. Does that make it right? Who cares who did it first ? That doesn't make it right. And just becasue one person does something stupid, it doesn't mean other people should imitate it. THe point is, as far as I know, Muslims are the main perpetrators of suicide ombing, a deplorable and futile practice.

Not many people want a suicide bomber. or anyone who supports suicide bombing as their neighbor. If you disagree with them they might blow themselves up in your house.

Nona,
This is why I put the reference so that it is not my word. but anyway
what i was aiming at is that we really should not allow this to continue there are many lives affected. I think they should forget about the past and look for the future what is past is past.
end the occupation two functional states. no atrocities and the deal is done. actually both palestinians and israelis are so soart and if they work together they will do so well.

I agree that it is horrible what is happening in Gaza. It may even get worse in the coming days. Israel is indeed being brutal in their actions. But it all starts with Hamas, a racist, terrorist organization, lobbing rockets into Israel, storing weapons in their Holy sites, and digging tunnels from those Holy sites in order to get more weapons. Their people live in squalor, and all they want is more, and more weapons to use against a neighbor much more powerful than they are. It's insane. Israel has made concessions in the past, which were only answered with more missiles, suicide bombers, and car bombs. That is why the borders are closed, and the the tanks are rolling. Pray for the innocents on BOTH sides, but please be honest, this problem all starts with Hamas.

Rod:

"I think they should forget about the past and look for the future what is past is past. end the occupation two functional states."

I agree 100%, with the exception of "end the occupation." There IS NO occupation, that's just rhetoric used that means "wipe Israel off the map and end the existence of Israel."

That's why Hamas is against a two-state solution. They see any existence of Israel in the region is an "occupation." It's not a military term with them; it's an euphemism for ideological beliefs that they're committed to.

Does anyone think Hamas can help the people of Gaza???

joan I said at least two times that i disagree with Samson and other suicidal bombers.
so i do not need to put it between every one word i write (go read my post. )
I am a human rights activist and cannot condone killing suicide or not.
the only thing is that we in the western world think this guy was sitting playing Video games and suddenly he has an idea about going and getting the virgins. that is not true. there are roots to all of this. there is hatred that stems from oppression.
watch this video if you like it is long but though provoking
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2451908450811690589&ei=BdMbScX5OafcqAOF1NHGBw&q=occupation+101

the problem is the violence will continue as long as there are retaliations from both sides.
which makes me sad cause the ones who pay the price are the Civilians mostly women and children.

To win the PR battle the IDF needs to annihilate Hamas. Until this goal is accomplished Hamas has won and the UN would have left Israel in a situation where the citizens of Israel will be forced to tolerate another decade of missiles until Israel is forced to Nuke radical Islam from mother earth. The relatively small amount of civilian casualties is a small price to pay for an unconditional surrender by Hamas and an opening towards real and sustainable peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians.

Hopefully the IDF is ready to embark on the final battle for Gaza city so they bring an end to the terrorists and their Godless missile attacks on the innocent people of Israel.

i guess nona we have to disagree on the occupation i am sure you did not watch the video if you did then you will know what occupation means http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2451908450811690589&ei=BdMbScX5OafcqAOF1NHGBw&q=occupation+101
i am jut asking you to spend the hour and half on it. there are many historians and rigghts activists mostly jews in it. so give your self that chance to see their perspective
Actually all the world considers the isreali presence in Gaza West bank and golan heights as occupation not only me. even to day it is still called Occupation.

I am not the spokes person for hamas so i do not know about their agenda but what i know if the occupation ends Hamas will not be there
i have to go friends are home
Yall take care

I don't think that suicide bombers are just suddenly wanting to go get the virgins. And I know there is hatred, but who is helping these people understand that hate only desrtroys the hater. People like Hamas are using this hatred and somehow right minded people need to work toward turning this hatred into positive energy.There is no excuse for hatred.

Joan
Absolutly not, in any way

What is Hamas?

Ron, I just gotta ask you ... do think the USA should negotiate with al-Qaeda? My heart breaks for the Palestinian people, but sympathy for Hamas and sympathy for the Palestinian people are two different things. People are getting killed and suffering in Afghanistan because of the Taliban too, but nobody's suggesting that the Afghans and the Taliban are the same thing, even though they're sypathetic to the Afghani people.

Hamas means Islamic resistence movement

I've indeed watched part of the video, Rod. And so far, I'm going to accept Hamas's definition of the "occupation" over the video's. Intelligent people can disagree. Hamas is basically the al-Qaeda cell whose mission is to wipe Israel off the map and the words and actions of Hamas demonstrate how seriously they take that mission. The Palestinian people have a basic human right to live in peace and dignity, but so do the Israeli people.

How exactly do you deal with people who are repeatedly asked to stop firing rockets at your citizens and to stop training them for suicide attacks on you when they refuse to honor your requests? Keep talking while they fire rockets and send boys and women with suicide vests into your cities?

Leaving? Oh sorry to see you go Rod. Good night Ron.

Nona
I hear ya

I know Nick.

He means well. He really wants peace and hurts for the suffering of the people caught in the crossfire. I think he has a hard time accepting that people can actually be so hell-bent on destroying a tiny country that they'll put their bombs in schools and mosques, and their children in harm's way. And I can understand that. It's incomprehensible to sane human beings.

I am getting sick of that video being pushed on everybody. I've watched part of it and it's interesting, but it's not the Holy Grail.

got to go. Thanks all, bye

Bye Joan! Come back soon!

War crimes.....

This discussion is beyond ridiculous. For one. Hamas Is a Terrorist organization....forget about being democratically elected. It's one or the other. You cannot hold Hamas to one standard and expect them to be held to another. THAT IS THE UN< WORLDS PROBLEM. WHO IS THE UN?!!!!
Second. Hamas is a elected gov't. hold them up to OFFICIAL Standards and diplomatic tactics.
So you either hold them as a legitimate GOV'T entity or you don't. AND if you go to war against them THEN DON"T BE SO Um, erm, yeah well, the civilians got in the way. WHO"S a civilian if its' a TERRORIST Group AND NOT a GOV't? ah, but it's all of them, Right?

It's one or the other folks, make up you mind, but remember which ever way you move it has consiquences.

Nona
All this time I really did'nt, I looked it up in the Canadian Wikepedia and it also says that Hamas is listed as a terrorist organization by Canada, the European Union, Israel, Japan, and the United States, and is banned in Jordon. Australia and the United Kingdom list only the military wing of Hamas a terrorist organization. The United States and the European Union have both implemented restrictive measures against Hamas on an International level

Interesting, Nick. I was reading the Hamas charter the other day but took a break when I came to the part about the Rotary Club and Freemasons conspiring to poison the minds of Palestinian women.

Where were these protesters when Mumbai massacre was taking place?

Nona
really

Well I gotta go, I'll probably be back later

Yeah Nick – really! Cya soon!

i am sooooooooo sad!!!!!!!
what will bring this war to all the innocent jews?

how is israel making peace to innocent jews ?
its soooo sad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Academic boycott welcome, says Jewish professor
http://www.nationalpost.com/scripts/story.html?id=1158893

UK anti-semitism 'surge' since Gaza attack
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/uk-antisemitism-surge-since-gaza-attack-1229111.html

Ontario union calls for ban on Israeli professors
http://www.nationalpost.com/story.html?id=1144758

Roseanne Barr blasts Israel as 'Nazi state'
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=85126

Jews Attacked As Gaza Conflict Spreads To Europe
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/06/jews-attacked-as-gaza-con_n_155551.html?show_comment_id=19467922

Italian politicians condemn anti-Israeli boycott
http://www.euronews.net/en/article/09/01/2009/italian-politicians-condemn-anti-israeli-boycott

not all jews are israelis!
not all jews support this holocaust!

Israel do you hate the jews?
Israel cant you remember the pain?
Israel why do you let the innocent jews suffer because the new Israeli holocaust?
Israel have you forgotten hystorical.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/dontbuyfromjews.jpg ?

thanks you israel!
thank you for killing all his civilians
thank you to kill all this innocent babies
thank you
thank you!

bring peace stop this genocide at Gaza!

(by the way... i all ready saw such shit at shops... thank you israel!... go on and "change reality" ... thank you)
:( :( :( :(

Martin,
You protest to try stop the further continues act of killing by Israeli forces, no use of protesting for a thing already been done! are you smart enough to understand?

you dont protest for the 250 children already burned alive in GAZA thanks to bombs made in USA, but you protest to try, maybe your protest will help stop the Israeli lust for blood, maybe save a girl from burning alive, what if you know that 250 cats burned alive, how would you feel? how would you feel if your sister burned alive?

CNN's coverage is disgustingly anti-Israel. Hamas ( and by proxy,Iran) are getting their terrorist teeth knocked out – and deservedly so. This is a war, not a tennis match. Israel can use anything in its arsenal. Hamas should take a lesson from the playground bully – don't pick on someone who can beat the sh_t out of you. As for the so-called innocent civilians – in every poll taken the Gazans overwhelmingly support rocket attacks on Israel and kidnappings. Yes, I hope the Arab world is watching this. Notice how Iran's other proxy in Lebanon really can't stand the thought of getting another spanking like they got in '06.
PROUD to be PRO-ISRAEL!!

Pleasseee stop the war , its the most stupid thing men can ever do.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
thank you

You didn't elaborate to my very simple question barham,
Where were these protesters when Indians were slaughtered in Mumbai 4 weeks ago?
Or when 12000 or so atrocities committed by the Religion of Peace since 911 took place, including bombings, beheadings, honor killings, mutilations, child abuses etc etc. Judging from the number of people the organizers can muster, rallying a protest condemning any of those incidents can't be difficult.

Beth Brighterman,

Glad to see you are fueling this WAR which is leading to more killing of people on both side , me too i am glad to see more pro Israel like you who will help Is (no Real) Israel to dig its own grave, you can use my shovel for free.

Martin,

Did you see any of this of what you mentioned has a Gazan hand on it, or just because they are Muslims, u want to rally all terrorist acts on their shoulders.

The headline on this entire post is stupid: "Gaza: The Arab World Watches." Note to CNN: Um, the ENTIRE world watches, not just the Arab world.

The headline on the previous post is stupid too: "Gaza: Aids Resumes." It makes it look like an outbreak of HIV is resuming. CNN is too sloppy to proofread for typos.

Not a comment about the war, just a comment about the competence of whoever edits this blog.

.

Don't bather!

http://www.5cense.com/Africa/pics/04_Sleeping_camel.jpg

Beth Brighterman.

Yes the Arab world is watching and pay back is coming soon.you will see shortly that Israel even if Hamas is defeated which will not happen will face hundreds of Hamas very soon it is not about Hamas it is about Israeli terrorism and occupation.

You missed my point, Hunk. My point is:

How could muslims miss 12000+ chances to condemn any act of terrorism commited by fellow muslims with such ferocity and passion as this one.

Humans need to wake-up, why do we fight each other for land, for control and power... but no one will live forever and the land stays here. Why do we kill each other in wars and genocides in order to show how strong a group is and how a weak another. I see that being strong is not by possessing the latest arms of destruction and military techniques, but it's how genuine you can be towards humanity. How many lives you save and how many people in need you help.
The jewish people suffered from the holocaust and felt how bitter and unjuste to kill people especially kids. Why do they make the palestinians kids go through the same destiny.
The life is a gift from God, no one has the right to take it except him.
I don't know if it is worthed to submit this comment because the killing machine is still taking life of hundreds everyday and no one care.

Martin,

No . i didnt miss the point. reread it

"atrocities committed by the Religion of Peace since 911 took place, including bombings, beheadings, honor killings, mutilations, child abuses etc etc. Judging from the number of people the organize"

Martin
was Christianity responsible for the atrocities of the Nazis and the faccist
and the communists?

Is Christianity responsible for Rowanda Bosnia the Killings of the natives in north America and Australia.?

is Christianity responsible for Jim Jones and timothy M'cveigh?
this is all done by Christians.

if not and it is not. then Shut up.

I would trust a Israely army report over a western media or UN offcials word any time. The facts are the Israely's don't target civilians, and Hamas does.

This is simple logic from a tactic point of view, less civillian causaltys good from a PR point. The moral of the story is if Hamas stopped hiding under the womens dresses and childrens beds and came out and fought like real men then there wouldn't be so many dead.

But I guess the fight would be to short then

Hunk – Maybe you have forgotten. Of the 167 known terrorist organizations, 164 of them are Islamic. This means that virtually all of the terrorists in the world are indeed Muslim. So, when an atrocity is committed by a terrorist, it is virtually certain that the atrocity was committed by a Muslim. Most often, it kills more Muslims that non-Muslims or whoever the target of the day is.

Not all Muslims are terrorists, but virtually all terrorists are Muslim. Heard that before?

It's time for Muslims to take responsibility for their actions instead of trying to dispute the overwhelming evidence against them. Change will only come from within. Short of killing every Muslim on the planet, there is no military solution.

The civilized world will continue to defend themselves against Islamic terrorism piecemeal. If the world ever gets organized against terrorism and terrorist supporters, Muslims may become an endangered species unless they change their ways and their aspirations on world domination.

Jo Bloh – you are a hundred percent right.

Sickning to see all the people on here justifying terror. "The christians did it too" blabity blabity blab. terrorists are morons.

Jo Bloh,

So your prefer the integrity of Israeli army over the integrity of the world? maybe the whole one big terrorist group, and Israeli murderers are the only humanitarian in the world by their act of continues killing of Palestinians since 60 years. maybe you are just a reflection of them, a mental racist terrorist? maybe you dont know because no terrorist would think he is a terrorist.

Martin,

Who said Muslims dont condemned terrorism acts? how do you know that? they always do, such as any other country condemn these acts. look back in the news at Mumbai explosions, you will see it's being condemned by all muslims, and non muslims.
but i repeat, Indians are slaughtered in that day, nothing can be done to stop it, protesting is useless! if they continued to be slaughtered everyday by Pakistan for example, you would see by now millions of demonstrations against Pakistan embassy to try stop their attacks, wont you?

and if you interested in protesting against the religion of peace for whatever your reason, you can go to the Saudi embassy, they are the first sponsors for it, but i cant understand what is the relation between all what you said and the Israeli occupation conflict?

Jo Bloh and Bill.

did you read my post why dont you defend your selves as Christians before attacking others .

if you are Zionists then I dont blame you for what you are saying because you are raised as haters and racists I dont expect a thief to admit his theft.

Bill.

I will not ask your same questions , as where you there and what really happened ... but i ask .... equating actions happened on the world to actions happening on the ground is like running forward .... which what you are doing right now .

Answer me now :

Why the IDF didn’t send a a group of soldiers backed with tanks and take those lunching the rockets from top of a school , they don't have choppers ….. or a sniper or Gatling cannon on a an Abbachi that could finish the job and save life of people taking refuge from 11 days of war.

The Palestinians have to wait;
Arabs are busy chasing what interests them most at this time!

See this
http://saudisolutions.org/arabs-busy-chasing-this.zip

Akiva,

Yes. You should thank us. Cause when the next round of pogroms will come to Europe just as they did before, and Israel will open it's gates to disgusting you where no one else will, you will be incredibly glad that we exist.

Solomon – Sorry, teaching hatred and racism to little children is only done by Muslims. As far as I have seen, Christians and Jews do the opposite, they teach their children love and tolerance.

Hunk,

Your question was already answered and repeating will help you naught. I will answer one last time:

“Why the IDF didn’t send a a group of soldiers backed with tanks and take those lunching the rockets from top of the school ”

Besides, tell me of ONE SINGLE COUNTRY that wouldn’t have flattened Gaza from the first Kassam. The fact that we’re even going there on foot instead of flattening Gaza like YOUR country would have done, shows how we want to avoid civilians, despite Hamas’s greatest efforts.

Bill, wrote

"Maybe you have forgotten. Of the 167 known terrorist organizations, 164 of them are Islamic"

From where did got this information? what is your reference please?

because here is 4 internationally defined terrorists organizations which are non Muslims, enough to show that you are making up fake numbers.

Red Brigades
Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia
Revolutionary People's Liberation Party-Front
Real Irish Republican Army

Is that the way you always lie when you write on blogs?

Beny,

“So you want us to sacrifice our own lives to save the people Hamas is sacrificing?!!”

That is the point …. IDF has no moral ground that’s why its :

Morally unacceptable and is a burden to the people of the world to side with Israel.

Moral ground is non negotiable , my enemy will never dedicate to me but I act on my own moral ground.

NEWSFLASH:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3653889,00.html

Hunk – The first part of your post made no sense, so I can't comment on that. If the cowardly Islamic terrorists of Hamas were launching rockets from on top of a school, then any civilian casualties are the responsibility of Hamas, not Israel. Launching attacks from civilian areas is a war crime. Again, not having been there myself, I can not speculate of what could have been done or might have been done.

Beny,

It make me wonder if any of these atrocities ever happened to Jew or maybe these numbers are not correct.

This is the only question that's on everybody mind all over the world , if these things really happened ... why you allow them to happen on your hands ...

Barham,
Good job all that information Bill copied and pasted is fabricated information.
The terrirists are the ones who want to "Nuke the Palestinians"
they are living a good life and just hate humanity. they want more killing because their life is based on hatred and blood shed and want more.

Barham' logic: "Indians are slaughtered in that day, nothing can be done to stop it, protesting is useless"
So maybe Israel should just nuke Gaza so nothing could be done about it too? And there was only one muslim country that condemned the massacre in Mumbai: Pakistan.

Solomon: you wont believe it how many times angry muslims suddenly call me a christian simply because I criticize them. And funny you mentioned world war 2 since at that time, the highest authority in Palestine, Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Iman al Husayni was allied with Hitler. His Ganjar troops were very active at exterminating Jews in Bosnia. And he personally ordered a ship filled with Jewish children that arrived in Palestine to go back to gas chambers in Europe.

Hunk,

Who's immoral here?

jeez benny – U R re talking to retards as if they're half as smart as my cat. You have the patience of Job.

We r behind u and ur countrymen in stopping these terrorist thugs!

Rod,

The first from an interview with a 5-year-old. The second is a speech by a Hamas official

Hunk – A moral argument from a terrorist supporter? Are you kidding me? You think that it is moral for the Islamic terrorist group of Hamas to have started shelling innocent Israeli civilians? You think it is moral for Hamas to hide behind women and children? You think it is moral for Islamic terrorists to desecrate mosques by storing weapons and ammunition there? You think it is moral for Islamic terrorists to spend all their billions of dollars on weapons to attack Israeli civilians while letting their own people starve and continue to get handouts from the UN for 60 years? You think it is moral for the Islamic terrorists to steal UN aid, food, and fuel for themselves? You think it is moral for Hamas to be holed up safe in bunkers while the civilian population gets killed in the crossfire?

I agree, moral ground is not negotiable and you have absolutely none.

Bill,

"cowardly Islamic terrorists"

Kindly replace Islamic with Jews and you will have the answer .

That action require ball and guts and these characteristics is not there at all on any member serving on IOF ( Israel Occupation Forces), its cheaper to kill a school children 257 of them up to now .

Do you have a moral ground there .... NO you are as good as the terrorist you are fighting which equal U with them . YOU ARE A TERRORIST as well.

Thanks Keys. Let's hope this will end soon and both Gaza and south Israel will be free of Hamas terrorists. Amen and good luck to our Givati guys.

"Yes. You should thank us. Cause when the next round of pogroms will come to Europe just as they did before, and Israel will open it’s gates to disgusting you where no one else will, you will be incredibly glad that we exist"

Beny.
What a joke you are..the Pygmy outlaw state of Israel will do all this? you are the protector of Europe now?

I can see defeat in your words and I dont blame you after all the Killing of children and women you are still going to be defeated you will see your Israeli defeated forces IDF out of Gaza and the west bank soon .

Beny .

how many Children did your outlaw Israeli defeated forces kill in Gaza today ?

Rod -

I didn't copy and paste anything, let alone fabricate it. Fabrication is more a Muslim thing than mine. Muslims are encouraged to lie to "infidels" or anyone who is not the "right kind" of Muslim. That is pretty obvious in these blogs. Truth seems to be an alien concept to the terrorist supporters.

Bill,

Beny,

Its like getting drown to the head on the sand.... you are both pulling each other down .... its no ground for arguments its never right or wrong when it comes to morality .... do you want me to define that to you both ..

Its shame if we keep on discussing it from the right or wrong angel .

Beny.

I think the count down already started for this terrorist state that is called Israel. Zionists like you have no Place in Palestine.Jews and Arabs can live together without the filth of Zionism.

The other time an Israeli political leader said.
You can give nothing to Palestinians, because they never stop asking for more!
Make me laugh .Hear is what Israelis do!

Just to know the truth from the man who support the creation of ISRAEL

Washington DC, USA, Friday, July 11, 2003

Harry Truman’s Forgotten Diary 1947

Writings Offer Fresh Insight on the President

By Rebecca Dana and Peter Carlson
Washington Post Staff Writers

“THE JEWS, I find are very, very selfish,” President Harry S. Truman wrote in a 1947 diary that was recently discovered on the shelves of the Truman Library in Independence, Mo., and released by the National Archives yesterday.

Written sporadically during a turbulent year of Truman’s presidency, the diary contains about 5,500 words on topics ranging from the death of his mother to comic banter with a British aristocrat. But the most surprising comments were Truman’s remarks on Jews, written on July 21, 1947, after the president had a conversation with Henry Morganthau [sic. Morgenthau], his Jewish treasury secretary. Morganthau called to talk about a Jewish ship in Palestine — possibly the Exodus, the legendary ship carrying 4,500 Jewish refugees who were refused entry into Palestine by the British, then rulers of that land.

“He’d no business, whatever to call me,” Truman wrote. “The Jews have no sense of proportion nor do they have any judgement (sic) on world affairs. Henry brought a thousand Jews to New York on a supposedly temporary basis and they stayed.”
Truman then went into a rant about Jews:

“The Jews, I find, are very, very selfish. They care not how many Estonians, Latvians, Finns, Poles, Yugoslavs or Greeks get murdered or mistreated as D[isplaced] P[ersons] as long as the Jews get special treatment. Yet when they have power, physical, financial or political neither Hitler nor Stalin has anything on them for cruelty or mistreatment to the under dog. Put an underdog on top and it makes no difference whether his name is Russian, Jewish, Negro, Management, Labor, Mormon, Baptist he goes haywire. I’ve found very, very few who remember their past condition when prosperity comes.”
Yesterday, those comments startled scholars because Truman is known as a president who acted to help Jews in postwar Europe and who supported recognition of Israel in 1948, when his State Department opposed it.

Cheers

Hunk – It seems I am fighting a battle of wits with an unarmed man. The best you can do is call me names? What a brave and intelligent person you must be!

Israel is defending itself and its citizens against Islamic terrorism. The Islamic terrorist cowards of Hamas are trying to maximize the number of civilian casualties by hiding among civilians. When civilians inevitably get killed, you start crying. You are so easily manipulated by the terrorists. Instead of being angry at the ones who put the civilians in danger, you get mad at the ones who are defending themselves against Islamic terrorist aggression.

Gee, I pity you. What a sucker!

Beny.

Read what your brother is saying.

The Lord shall return their deeds on their own heads, waste their seed and exterminate them, devastate them and vanish them from this world. It is forbidden to be merciful to them. You must send missiles to them and annihilate them. They are evil and damnable.”

It is easy to imagine these words being uttered by a Nazi leader in Germany some 60 years ago, or by a proponent of apartheid in South Africa just a decade ago. In reality, however, these blatantly racist and inflammatory words were spoken just a few weeks ago by Israeli Rabbi Ovadia Yosef. He was, of course, speaking about Arabs—during a widely broadcast sermon marking Passover,

Hunk – As a terrorist supporter, you can have no meaningful position on morality. You consciously support an immoral cause. No amount of talking can change that fact. You can make no case to absolve yourself. Islamic terrorism is immoral. You support Islamic terrorism. It is that simple.

Beny,
you know who established or help establish Hamas?
if you do not know it is the Shin-Bet. if they did not establish it they at least supported it when PLO was a terrorist organization.

"After all, it is no secret that it was the Israeli government which set up Hamas to start with. When I once asked a former Shin-Bet chief, Yaakov Peri, about it, he answered enigmatically: “We did not create it, but we did not hinder its creation.”
For years, the occupation authorities favored the Islamic movement in the occupied territories. All other political activities were rigorously suppressed, but their activities in the mosques were permitted. The calculation was simple and naive: at the time, the PLO was considered the main enemy, Yasser Arafat was the current Satan. The Islamic movement was preaching against the PLO and Arafat, and was therefore viewed as an ally."
this is from The Article "Molten Lead" by Uri Avnery

So may be Israel made Hamas to justify all the killing as i see happening now?
We all need to think about this possibility

blood is red -

Just old anti-semitism from a newer anti-semite.

Bill.

This is called "intellectual insolvency" that's when you run out of reasonable logic to reinforce your position, and this kind of Sewage words coming out of you show your true value, if there is any.

I pity you

"We must cleanse the country of Arabs and resettle them in the countries where they came from," head of the Yesha Rabbis Council, Rabbi Dov Lior, declared Monday, adding that,

Beny
Just like your father this cousin of yours

, the Rabbi who wants to transfer the indigenous Palestinians from their own land was probably born an Austrian, German or Hungarian passport! He certainly wasn't an Israeli because there was no Israel then!!.

martins depth of thinking
"So maybe Israel should just nuke Gaza so nothing could be done about it too? And there was only one muslim country that condemned the massacre in Mumbai: Pakistan."

yes nothing could be done! could protesting return them alive? no. you could only just nuke Israel then.

and please dont say lies just for the sake trying proof your point, really it will dramatically effects you credibility in anything else you write!! you said the only muslim country condemned the massacre in Mumbai is Pakistan??? all the arabic countries condemned it, Egypt, Jordan, Morocco, Tunis, Saudi, even Iran condemned it for your info!!! really what is the point from lying to prove your point? are you here to try know the truth, or to feed and be fed lies?

" ..these blatantly racist and inflammatory words were spoken just a few weeks ago by Israeli Rabbi Ovadia Yosef. He was, of course, speaking about Arabs—during a widely broadcast sermon marking Passover."

Solomon, Passover was not a few weeks ago.

Are you a deliberate liar, or just an ignorant one?

Rod –

You know who helped establish the Taliban?

The USA.

That doesn't mean they're still not hell-bent on destroying those who supported their founding.

Ok guys Enjoy your Cyber Wars.
I am leaving
Hope Peace prevails
Someone must stop this Massacre
Peace Salam Shalom

Bill,
why still you didnt tell me from where you got the 164?

calli
Passover is not just this year there was a passover last year too .
you can not come with a better defense?

do you want me to give you the link?

Well Calli then you guys can't have it both ways. Israel created hamas and now they are punishing and the palestinian people because of Hamas.

the same thing for the US and Taliban. If the US established Taliban they should compensate all who suffered from Taliban.
you just cannot Establish two terrorist groups put them behind civilians and then massacre the civilians to root out what you established.

This is not a lab with Experimental animals. these are humans.
Even Experimental animals have protection boards.
This Genocide experiment is a new thing.
it is even beyond a crime against humanity.
nite all
Hope peace prevails

Calli here is another one.

Israeli rabbis call for killing the Arabs
7/28/2001

The Israeli rabbi Munir Lao haled the killing of Palestinian children and youth by the Israeli settlers. He explained that the Jewish ethnic group supports and backs the killing of the Palestinians.

Any body is having any thing on Chass ? i think they have same methodology like Hamas if not worse .... hope my spelling is correct.

Hunk – Sewage words? I guess that what it would taste like if you ever spoke the truth. LOL. Pathetic.

I would like you to tell me where this rabbi Munir Lao is located and the name of his synogogue or university. i see several reports of his supposedly saying that in Jew-hating libelous arab press but there is no other indication he even exists when i do a quick Internet search of him. From what i can tell it just is a claim that appears to have fabricated the existence of this rabbi.

Where is this supposed rabbi? what is the name of his university or congregation? what country is he located in in? what city?

Bill,

Its the other way round ... idiot

Barham -

Why should I even bother now? The truth obviously means nothing to a terrorist supporter. If I can produce the evidence, you'll claim that it is not credible – standard Muslim practice for obfuscation of the truth. You get stuck on the minor details and miss the message entirely.

The message was that Muslims need to clean house. If you keep supporting Islamic terrorism, it will eventually cause a worldwide backlash that will destroy Islam and most of its practitioners.

Israel, by itself, has enough firepower to destroy all of the Muslims in the Middle East. The USA has even more. This great bulk of this firepower is not used because we value life, even the lives of those who continually attack us. But there are limits. If Israel ever truly feels threatened, I would not want to be her enemy, nor would I want to be anywhere within 2000 miles. If the USA ever felt really threatened, no place on the planet would be safe.

You can keep poking the bear, but it's not a good idea.

Hunk – I guess this just shows what you are a hunk of.

On the other hand, I can certainly document the preaching of Hamas cleric Muhsen Abu 'Ita preaching the annhilation of the Jews of "Palestine" as "a blessing."

Oh well, time for bed.

Go IDF! Clean up all the Islamic terrorist scum and their supporters!
It is good vs. Islam time and the forces of good are winning.

Good night all.

Dear Beny,
It is petty to hear half truths from Beny..this is the classic “cause and effect trick” designed to confuse the American readers of what actually happened first..lol..
Beny, You have neglected to inform the readers ..the cause of the rockets from the militants (Hamas).. the truth is (which I am sure you are aware) is the collapse of the ceasefire agreement between Israel and the militants..

Why did the ceasefire collapse?

The ceasefire agreement called on Israel to gradually open the Gaza crossings (Gaza is under siege for over 2 years) and in return the Militants agreed to stop firing their homemade rockets into Israelis. Israel did not honor their part of the agreement. Hamas had offered to renew the ceasefire if Israel reopened Gaza's border crossings. The strip had been sealed by Israel in an economic siege aimed at toppling Hamas. The blockade has brought the territory near economic collapse.

Many of us (Americans) do not understand that Israel is illegally occupying other people’s land according to Security Council Resolution 242 in Nov, 22 1967.

Bill

Using the crap anti- semite you only show how poor youarguments are.
“The Jews, I find, are very, very selfish. They care not how many Estonians, Latvians, Finns, Poles, Yugoslavs or Greeks get murdered or mistreated as D[isplaced] P[ersons] as long as the Jews get special treatment. Yet when they have power, physical, financial or political neither Hitler nor Stalin has anything on them for cruelty or mistreatment to the under dog. Put an underdog on top and it makes no difference whether his name is Russian, Jewish, Negro, Management, Labor, Mormon, Baptist he goes haywire. I’ve found very, very few who remember their past condition when prosperity comes.”
Yesterday, those comments startled scholars because Truman is known as a president who acted to help Jews in postwar Europe and who supported recognition of Israel in 1948, when his State Department opposed it.

Sure gets quiet when you start asking jihadist liars to back up their false claims with actual evidence, huh? They've gone to hide in a baby's crib or under their daughters' skirts.

Gnite Bill.

For you Bill who is anti-smite and who is barbaric antidenoctatic and color blind ? Blood is red!
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NEW YORK

As U.S.-backed military actions in the Middle East become increasingly destructive, with thousands of Arab and Muslim civilians dead at the hands of allied troops in Afghanistan and Iraq, and Palestinians suffering to an unprecedented degree under brutal Israeli occupation, scholarly intellectuals have become increasingly vocal in their criticism of attempts by pro-Zionist and neoconservative spokespersons to pressure government bodies and educational institutions to curb opposition and suppress dissent regarding such actions.

Nearly three weeks have passed since one such intellectual, Norman Finkelstein, an Assistant Professor of Political Science at DePaul University in Chicago, was denied tenure by that school’s University Board on Tenure and Promotion. The decision to deny Finkelstein tenure was upheld by DePaul’s president, the Rev. Dennis H. Holtschneider, despite a majority (9-3) recommendation by the departmental tenure committee and a unanimous (5-0) recommendation by the Personnel Committee for the College of Liberal Arts and Sciences. Additionally, Mehrene Larudee, Assistant Professor of International Studies at DePaul, was denied tenure ostensibly for having publicly supported Finkelstein in his tenure bid when it was challenged externally by Alan Dershowitz, a Harvard law professor whose bestselling Zionist screed, The Case for Israel, Finkelstein effectively deconstructed and discredited as pseudo-scholarship in his acclaimed study, Beyond Chutzpah: The Misuse of Anti-Semitism and the Abuse of History. In 2005, Dershowitz attempted unsuccessfully to block the publication of Beyond Chutzpah by making concerted appeals to California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger that the book was anti-Semitic and laced with Holocaust denial. Amidst furious public and scholarly outcry in support of the book’s publication, the Austrian-born actor-turned-politician ultimately refused to heed those appeals on grounds that their implications stood to jeopardize Finkelstein’s academic freedom.

In the three weeks since Holtschneider’s autocratic move, protests in favor of Finkelstein’s and Larudee’s reinstatement have erupted on the DePaul campus as well as across the U.S. and internationally. Immediately following public announcement of the tenure denials, DePaul students staged a sit-in at their school’s executive offices (and were evicted upon threat of expulsion). These students subsequently presented Holtschneider with a 700-signature petition requesting Finkelstein’s and Larudee’s reinstatement. They have since began a hunger strike, now in its second day, at the DePaul University Student Center to continue “to express the seriousness of their distress over the curbing of academic freedom, as university administration has largely ignored the concerns of students and faculty” (student Media Advisory, June 22, 2007, http://normanfinkelstein.wordpress.com/2007/06/23/depaul-students-fast-for-academic-freedom/ ).

Who is Anti-Semite BILL?

On June 8, 1967, US Navy intelligence ship USS Liberty was suddenly and brutally attacked on the high seas in international waters by the air and naval forces of Israel. The Israeli forces attacked with full knowledge that this was an American ship and lied about it. Survivors have been forbidden for 40 years to tell their story under oath to the American public. The USS Liberty Memorial web site tells their story and is dedicated to the memory of the 34 brave men who died.

The Attack

After surveilling USS Liberty for more than nine hours with almost hourly aircraft overflights and radar tracking, the air and naval forces of Israel attacked our ship in international waters without warning. USS Liberty was identified as a US naval ship by Israeli reconnaissance aircraft nine hours before the attack and continuously tracked by Israeli radar and aircraft thereafter. Sailing in international waters at less than five knots, with no offensive armament, our ship was not a military threat to anyone.

The Israeli forces attacked without warning and without attempting to contact us. Thirty four Americans were killed in the attack and another 174 were wounded. The ship, a $40-million dollar state-of-the-art signals intelligence platform, was later declared unsalvageable and sold for scrap.

The Cover Up

Despite a near-universal consensus that the Israeli attack was made with full knowledge that USS Liberty was a US Navy ship, the Johnson administration began an immediate cover-up of this fact. Though administration officers continued individually to characterize the attack as deliberate, the Johnson administration never sought the prosecution of the guilty parties or otherwise attempted to seek justice for the victims. They concealed and altered evidence in their effort to downplay the attack. Though they never formally accepted the Israeli explanation that it was an accident, they never pressed for a full investigation either. They simply allowed those responsible literally to get away with murder.

In an ongoing effort to reveal the truth about the attack, the USS Liberty Veterans Association has filed with the Secretary of the Army in the manner prescribed by law a detailed, fully documented Report of War Crimes describing the circumstances of the attack on our ship and evidence that it was a crime under international law. In accordance with international law and treaties, the United States is obligated to investigate the allegations. So far, the United States has declined even to acknowledge that the report has been filed. The full text of the report can be found at http://www.gtr5.com/evidence/warcrimes.pdf

Anti-Semitism and the Anti-American Apologists

The USS Liberty Memorial web site abhors the racist and extreme positions taken by antiSemitic, Holocaust denial, conspiracy theorist and other such groups which often seek to identify with us and to usurp our story as their own. We have no connection with and do not support or encourage support from any of these groups including National Alliance, National Vanguard, The New Order, National Socialists, The French Connection, Liberty Lobby, American Free Press, Republic Broadcasting, AFP's Liberty Radio Hour, or other such groups. We wish harm to no one and encourage social justice and equality for everyone; we seek only accountability for the criminal acts perpetrated against us and can do that without help from hate-mongers.

On the Israeli side, the group of pro-Israel, anti-American critics of our story, while small, persists in launching loud, vicious ad hominem attacks on anyone who attempts to discuss the deliberateness of the attack. These anti-American apologists refuse to discuss the facts of the case. Instead, they rely on propaganda and charge anyone who questions the Israeli position with being antiSemitic.

For detailed and authoritative accounts of the power and influence of the pro-Israel lobby, please see The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy by Mearsheimer and Walt and The Pro-Israel Lobby by Edward Herman.

http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ClipMediaID=3271371&ak=null

Hamas sniper and explosives layout revealed

On Thursday (Jan. 8), the Intelligence Corps Officer-in-Chief, Brigadier General Yuval Halmish, revealed a sketch by Hamas that details on the deployment of explosives and Hamas forces in the Al-Attara neighborhood in the northern Gaza Strip. The map was found during Paratrooper Brigade forces operating in the northern Gaza Strip and was translated from Arabic during the operation. It describes, among other things, the location of explosive devices and firing positions in the middle of the civilian population in the dense neighborhood, which endanger the life of the civilians. “That’s what Hamas has been doing throughout the entirety of the operation – perversely using civilians as human shields,” says Brig. Gen. Halmish.

The map shows that snipers are positioned at the entrance of the A-Tawil mosque and in the mosques next to it and describes the directions the snipers are aiming. It indicates that explosives are planted in the entrances of civilian homes. Hamas operatives are divided into three fighting areas throughout the neighborhood, colored blue, red and green. Throughout these area IEDs, (improvised explosive devices), barrel explosives, explosives, explosives against humans and anti tank explosives are planted.

In addition to that, the map also shows an explosive device planted next to a gas station – the detonation of the device would significantly damage the surrounding area. “The important point is the disregard for human life in using entrances civilian homes,” explains Brig. Gen. Halmish. “They booby-trapped the entrances of civilian houses with explosives put close to them; the objective is of course to hit our forces but a local explosion also damages the houses of the civilians and causes great damage, and likely killing civilians.”

Brig. Gen. Halmish also adds that Hamas prevents the distribution of the IDF's cautionary leaflets that ask the civilian population to leave their houses, saying, “Although IDF forces make every possible effort not to harm civilians and only target Hamas members and terror operatives, Hamas prevents these things.”

The forces also discovered a booby-trapped doll at the entrance of a building, which, upon detonation, pulls the surrounding people into an underground tunnel. This, in other words, is an attempt to hit or kidnap soldiers.

“This is done all the time,” explains Brig. Gen. Halmish. According to him these findings testify to Hamas’s military development, notably their network of underground tunnels that IDF forces constantly uncover. The results of the operation are good nevertheless, says Brig. Gen. Halmish. “There are a lot of casualties on the Hamas’s side, and great damage in their infrastructure. Because of Hamas, a number of uninvolved people were hit; for instance at the UNRWA school Hamas was firing rockets from – the terrorist organization keeps using the civilian population in the manner.”

Rod you blithering idiot,

Compared to what the PLO were doing in their time, Hamas were kittens.

Dan,
I don't get it. You gave an address in New York, and then wondered why I think you are not "baaretz". So where do you live?

update mornining sunday:
total victems: 875
injuries :3700
idf fighters using yellow phosphoros weapons causing burns and doing strange symptom on human body ....also making harm to immune system .!!! they are fighting people defending their land !! and in the same time it look like they are testing leat hal effect !!! gazan are used for weopon expriments ...shame on israel &US administration !!!!!!!

Of course more than half of Jordanians are Palestinian.

Jordan was also part of British Mandatory Palestine and it was with the establishment of the Mandate that the population started to be refered to as 'Palestinian'. Before that they were Arabs living in a province of Syria (not to be confused with modern day Syria) within the Ottoman Empire.

In 1948, when Jordan annexed and occupied the West Bank, the remaining part of Mandatory Palestine that could have become a Palestinian state became Jordan and ceased to exist as a seperate political entity.Therefore the increased sector of Jordanian society originated from the West Bank Arab population, minus the Jews who were transferred out.

Mahmoud,

Israel fights following international laws applicable to war situations.

If phosphorous symptoms are found on victims they probably originated from the target where they were being stored.

Harry Truman left the White House with a lower approval rating than George W Bush will. I see some people keep on quoting Truman. Wonder why, since most people thought that he was a useless sob?

beny

natati et haktovet hayeshana sheli

Please see the link below. It will explain more of what Hamas's true intentions are. See especially Artical 13: Peaceful Solutions.
http://www.palestinecenter.org/cpap/documents/charter.html

Sri Lankan air force using Israeli Kafir jet attack the terrorists without killing a single civilian.Israel supplied all the equipment and training to Sri Lanka. Why cant the Israeli air force avoid civilians while using much more advanced air crafts and equipments?

jonas,

don't bother, I put the charter up many times already, no response so far from the israel bashers

Miriam......
tell me when israel obeyed international law ?!!!go watch TV reports &pictures and reports coming from International org.s !!!! to say phosphorous source from targets on the ground ....No way ..if this the case are we going to blame hamas for all the hell israeli bombardement ....be honost and fair ...crime is cristle clear !!!

Dan,
I have noticed that the Islamic terrorist lovers, murderers of millions of innocent men, woman and children, avoid proof of Islamic atrocities and double standards like the plague. I also notice that many non Muslims are talking to the extremist bigots about peace and harmony and that these murderers are appeasing them big time. Even going as far as calling them love, darling and other terms of endearment. It also seems as if some of these poor soles are actually lapping it up. Where I come from there is an old saying: "Beware of your Muslim extremist friend, his brother is a suicide bomber and won't mind blowing your family to pieces"

The IDF is the army of a sovereign state who obeys international law.
She is fighting against a terrorist organization which obeys nobody but their terrorist leaders.

Most of the workers for the international organizations are local residents from all factions of Palestinian society, including Hamas. Even UNRWA admits that it employs Hamas members.

Most of the foreign workers in Gaza are there on a mission, not just to help Gazans, but to also encourage the demise of Israel. They admit it openly.

Don't tell us that the reports coming out of Gaza are honest and fair. Many are false and fabricated. How many people have you seen on camara complain about Hamas? If they are Fatah they have been murdered by Hamas (numbers in the 100s that are included in the total tally) otherwise they know the consequences.

Hamas is 100% to blame for Israel's actions.

miriam wrote " Hamas is 100% to blame for Israel’s actions.
"

You are an inclosed shelfish shell sealed tight with steel clamps containing only one thing inside of you " israel is right and everything else in the univers is wrong mworthless with no value at all! ".

Mahmoud,

After all, they have no qualms about suicide vests in tightly packed buses.

The True Story?
My neighbor hates me, he is not really sure why he hates me, but he thinks it has something to do with religion, and after all, his people has hated my people for thousands of years. His people also convince him that he should kill me and all my people, and that it should be his only mission in life. And don’t worry, they say, that if he killed me, and got killed in the process, he would get a great reception in heaven.
He starts sending his people over to my house to try and kill me. Sometimes I catch them but sometimes they manage to kill some of my people. I then decide that I would build a wall around his property to keep his killers away from my property and people. But, nice guy that I am, I decide that I will let some of his less murderous people come over to my house to work and earn some money. I allow some of his people to come to my school and university. I also supply him with medical equipment, electricity, food, etc… All this, in spite of the fact that he is still telling everyone that he wants to wipe me and my people from the face of the earth.
But my murderous neighbor is ungrateful. He builds tunnels to abduct my people and to smuggle in rockets. He steals the food and medical equipment that I send to his people and distributes it only to his cronies. He takes the money, given to him by people from all over the world to build schools, hospitals and roads for his people, and spends it on guns and rockets.
My neighbor, in his endless wisdom, then decides to fire the smuggled rockets over the wall onto my property, hoping to really piss me off and perhaps kill some of my people. I ask him nicely to stop firing the rockets as this action will certainly make me angry. I even ask some of his family members to speak to him and warn him of the consequences of his actions. But he doesn’t listen and carries on firing the rockets.
After eight years of constant bombardment, my people are tired of living in shelters and they ask me to do something about our neighbor who is obviously out to kill and maim them. By this time I am really angry. I tell him that I have an army, navy and air force and that if he didn’t stop the rockets I was going to let him have it! But my neighbor, flush with false bravado and drunk with visions of greatness decides that his God will surely give him victory over me and my people.
He decides that he has succeeded in making me angry and tells his cronies to increase the number of rockets that they are firing over the wall, just to rub it in. By this time I decide to call my air force in and to take out his rocket jockeys. We manage to send many of them to the great firing range in the sky where they are each given 72 unfired rockets. However, some rocket jockeys hide in holes, behind their mothers and some even book into a 5-star hotel in Damascus. Some rocket jockeys, however, continue to lob rockets onto my property. I again warn my neighbor that if he doesn’t stop, I will send in my army. My neighbor again ignores me and tells the rocket jockeys that they must aim better, hit a school full of godless children, and they must use the new rockets that they were given by their friends from that great, nuclear armed, Islamic republic.
He calls all his mighty warriors together and tells them
“Brave warriors, I have a cunning plan. Go find as many woman and children as possible, take them to schools, hospitals and other public buildings, herd them together, then hide under the women’s burqas, but don’t let any impure thoughts cross your mind! Wait until the children can see the godless IDF arrive, they must jump up and down and shout “Kill the infidel!” You must then jump out from underneath the women’s burqas, if you aren’t stuck, shout at the top of your voices “Allāhu Akbar”, shoot your guns wildly in the general direction of the IDF and run away. Be sure to leave the woman and children behind. The godless IDF will then blow up the building, killing the women and children. Get the children to play on the roof tops, in the middle of the war zone, with helicopter gunships in the air. The gunships, looking for our brave snipers, will mistake the children for snipers, shoot missiles and kill the children. With some luck, our booby traps will explode and kill many women and children. Our western trained reporters will immediately make gruesome videos of the dead and dying women and children, of crying fathers and brothers, and send these videos to the gullible media. Before you can say “Jesus is dead” the videos will appear on CNN, BBC, Sky and Al Jazeera. They will, without our help, find a Muslim extremist brother to deliver his rhetoric with the videos. The result will be great for us as every gullible, Arab, bleeding-heart liberal; housewife and anti-Semite will believe our trick and will immediately phone all the useless politicians all over the world. The useless politicians will run to New York, shout at how awful the murderous Israelis are, beat their breasts, make plans, draw up resolutions, and then go home to sip Johnny Walker Blue Label, paid for by the tax payers. It will be a major publicity coup for us, the Islamic terrorist network. We will look like angels, and people will forget about the millions of innocent people our esteemed network has murdered in India, Pakistan, Bali, Thailand, Indonesia, USA, UK, Spain, Darfur, Nigeria, Morocco, Egypt, Afghanistan, Iraq, Israel, Palestine and others. Go forth, brave warriors, let our cunning plan start!”
I decide that enough is enough, and send in my army.
My neighbor’s cunning plan is working very well. He is still firing his rockets over the wall; his brave warriors are still hiding under the women’s burqas and allowing women and children to get killed. Every useless politician has been to New York and back and is sipping JWBL, paid for by tax payers. Everyone is shouting at how awful the Israelis are and the murderous Islamic terrorists look like angels.
Yes, the truth is sometimes stranger than fiction!

And before you want to bring Israel before the Hague for "crimes against humanity" (I'm sure our existence is a terrible crime, but I'm not going to let anyone punish me for it), how about bringing Hamas to trial for massive violations of Children's Right's?

you are launching another war on the net !! be honest and fair.......///
i am refering to reports pub. by Human rights watch........
let israel accept international media to go inside gaza......
updates: innocent victem numbers rise with clock : now 879 murdered by cawored israeli + the aid from US..!!!!!!!!

Beny....... i am telling you the continious announcments declared by doctors in al shifaa hosp. examining the bodies of children...i see my self these spots in their bodies as if they are hit by guns....you can see circules of burns......

Jonas,

Lies lies lies.... its not your neighbor who hates you becsause of religion.....

Its the occupied who hates their brutal bloodthirsty occupier.

Its the occupation stupid...

The war criminal currpt politician Olmert is saying that they are closs to completing their mission....

What mission? are they waiting to kill 1000 innocent unarmed civilian Palestinian children, women and elderly?

Professor
You must be naive or just plain stupid. If the Israelis wanted to target civilians, the IAF could level Gaza City and kill 100,000 people in one day. Do you really think that if they were deliberately targeting civilians that there would be anything left of Palestine? What could Israel possibly gain from killing UN truck drivers? If they wanted to kill truck drivers they would send a couple of helicopter gunships and blast the whole convoy to kingdom come. If they wanted to target schools, why not use one 1000 pound precision guided bomb and leave a crater where the school used to be. I have never seen such a controlled war in all my life! Every John Doe, and his dog, is shouting war rules at the Israelis. For every Palestinian killed, someone is demanding an independent investigation. Disproportionate response! What absolute media sponsored rubbish? It's the war stupid!!

Mahmoud,

Can you also see whose bullets are inside the poor child's body?

Do the red circles say, "from Israel with love"?

Perhaps they haven't made up that story yet.

Jonas,

What you wrote only prove your naivety and stupidity.

Its the Occupation stupid.

Professor?
No, Professor? It seems that it is you stupid!

Prof,

There was no 'occupation' in 1948.

Enough with the excuses!
Israelis never wish for, or permitted a self-governing Palestine because when that happened, not any valid excuse for the JEWS to control them! Or stop them breeding.
Palestinian extremist don’t want peace or democratic state, because if people are free to choose then the fanatics be beaten. Fear is always a better tool to control people minds.
Arabs rulers from undemocratic and never elected governments, use the Palestinians to implemented their politics and help the religious fanatics.

Jonas,

Is Hamas a ligitimate government democratically elected with an organized Army or is it a group of terrorist?

CNN/NYr:PENTAGON CAN STRIKE IRAN W/IN 24HR OF bUSH ORDER-WAR
uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nw_okL8PpX0

World war III has begun!
uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mc4Am0feY74

Putin to Bush: "Hands Off Iran"
uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-q3OEqrQ244

Who should ATTACK Iran? Israel or the U.S.? WHAT THE ....?
uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-LZeLNEd6EQ

kick out Clinton because of a blow-job

and keep bush because he will start war where ever he can!!!!!!!!!
keep israel away from the list of terror organisations because they only wanna messup with the whole world whyle we all know they gain nothing!!!!!!!!!!!

USA USA USA USA USA
Israel Isael Israel Israel

USA and israel is so smart!!!!!
what a jocke you do of yourself ????????

God save russia ... they keep minimal peace with a optional nu-clear strike against US and EU

how stupid are we ?
better a nu-clear blow-job by bush then a levinscy blow-job by clinton
god save ya all

miriam : there is no use chatting with you ....You are BLINDE..you cannot see and understand but those crazy , stupid murderers ...so i will continue my comments for the sake of informing normal american citizins, not the solderes enjoying crime and holocaust...!!!!!!

Blood is red says Israel never permitted self-government for the Palestinians.

Prof says that Hamas is the legitimate, democratically elected government.

Which is it guys?

What I see is a terrorist organization who the majority of Gazans voted into power, and who consequently destroyed Gazan society, slaughtered the opposition and turned every home into a weapons store and tunnel terminal.

Miriam,

you are so stupid you cannot even read....

I was posing a question....

Mahmoud,

I'm not blind. I can see very clearly.
I can see the truth and I can see the lies.
I don't believe everything on TV etc because I come from a society that has learnt to critically analyse. Not a society that follows the indoctrination that is called education and believes the disinformation that is in fact propoganda.

Critically analyse?

Well, analyse this stupid.

Prof,

A rhetorical question.

i guess miriam is the same as linda :))
so well educated

i cant beleve she was in school :))

I was not asking a rhetorical question.... see how stupid you are?

Akiva,

yes miriam went to school... (IOF) Kindergarten.

As a human,it is confusing to see US supporting Israel's attack and asked India not to attack Pakistan after giving all evidence about the mumbai attack. I think Russia attacked its neighboring country,showing almost same reasons like Israel.(Harboring and supporting terrorism movement against Russia)and I think Russia was wrong and also US and other major countries too. If we don't support Palestinians freedom movement, how we can support Tibet people. I am not supporting Hamas rocket attacks on Israel soil but as per Jimmy Carter, Hamas was ready to stop firing rockets if Israel allow food and other supplies to Gaza. But Israel said "no" to 100% quota because it will strength Hamas. So they told Hamas they will allow a small percentage.(as per CNN interview) If Jimmy Carter's words are true, if shameful for the world to support Israel.

Professor?
Is it a trick question? I actually don't rate Hamas at all. However, if the people of Gaza elected Hamas, without intimidation, as their government, then they are brainless. If they knew that the people whom they elected were stupid enough to fire rockets at their neighbor, who has the 5th largest army in the world, then they are brainless. If they knew that the people whom they elected were going to get them killed, then they are brainless. If they elected a government whose charter states that they don't believe in peace talks and that Jihad is the only way, then they are brainless. Does it really matter if Hamas was elected democratically or not? But, I don’t think the people of Palestine knew what they were letting themselves in for when they elected Hamas, or the election was rigged. I also don’t think that the people of Palestine will elect Hamas again, especially after Hamas murdered the Fatah members!

Prof,

It's people like you who claim Israel is blood-thirsty, aiming to kill civilians and believe all the propaganda out there, who also believe that Hamas is the legitimate, democratically elected government in Gaza.

If you believe then, that Hamas is a terrorist organization why don't you condemn their methods and support the effort to rid southern Israel and Gaza of their reign of terror.

If you believe that the problem is the occupation why did the Arabs initiate the war in 1967 before there was what is known as 'the occupation' even though Egypt and Jordan were already occupying those regions?

Why did the Arabs reject the 1947 UN Partition Plan and prefer to destroy Israel?

CNN what is wrong with you?
are we stupid?

your journalist girl at the israelian side talk about the poor traumatisiced israelians
traumatisized by rockets from hamas

whats about the gazans ?
traumatisized by the israelian food embargo?

do you think we all did visit US schools?
so you think bush did drive down the education system of the whole world?

how stupid are we???????????

Miriam,

No not really it what the Israeli hostory shows....

Stop your critical analysis please because only garbage is coming out...

The UN has no right according to its charter to:

1. Create a religious based State (Jewish only)

2. Give someone's land to someone else.

mahmoud jboor,
It's very rich for any Arab to refer to the holocaust seeing that the Arab nations were amongst Hitler's greatest supporters. Perhaps you and some of your brothers will miss out on the 72 virgins in heaven and be lucky enough to land up with your hero adolf in hell. perhaps you and Akiva, who seems to be obsessed with bj's, can share a bj in hell!

Akiva,

Everytime I want to give the Jews the benefit of the doubt and say that all the old sterotypes given to them can't be all true but they always prove me wrong. Liars liars liars.... expect the good few I know similar to AJ who can stand up prowdly and criticise the wrong doing of A zionist racist Israel.

Professor?
Why don't you answer any of the questions that many people have been asking you for days now? Why don't you stop telling lies as we have caught you many times? You have made many statements and have been asked many times to prove it and the best you have ever come up with is some video from YouTube. You are an imbecile! The answer to your question is clearly stated in my reply.

Just heard from a mate of mine who attended the rally in support of Israel in Trafalguar Sq.
Tens of thousands turned up.
Peaceful rally.
No flags burnt, nothing hurled at the police.
No policemen scuffled with, knocked senseless. No shop windows smashed.
People made their point. Discussed the issues and didn'tspew poisonous hatred...
Well done UK....makes me proud of my English Heritage and come on Tottenham (AKA the Yid Army).
Y

Clayton...please more argument and less abuse dear boy...you do your cause no favours with your prolific obscenities...

miriam

do you talk about how you can see lies?
do you talk about how you analyse information?

are you jocking to us ?

shall we laugh now about you?

HA HA HA harvey, U ARE A PIG's ASSHOEL

update
a little girl has lost two legs and a small boy is blind. Frankly, i have never seen a war like this. are israelis human beings like us? answer me, please because i dont get anymore.

Clayton,

Have a valium. Calm down. Realise this is an emotive subject. But all these expletives...not good for your blood pressure. Make a sensible coherent point. This is supposed to be a discussion....

where is this free world eveybody promotes? where is it? A SAVAGE WAR THAT HAS NO PRECEDENT AND THE DEMOCRATIC FREE SOCIETIES ARE WATCHING. IS THIS DEMOCRACY? LIBERTY? FRATERNITy?

The True Story?
My neighbor hates me, he is not really sure why he hates me, but he thinks it has something to do with religion, and after all, his people has hated my people for thousands of years.

yet again another person proving his ignorance. in a time where the entire world greeted jews with distain the only race of people that welcomed them, that allowed them control of all religious locations and gave them complete freedom of religious expression were muslims after the ousting of romans in jeruselem (if you dont believe me look it up although i doubt you will, your ro busy listenin to what others make up and talking crap that has no basis). you want to know why arabs hate you, its because the jewish state doesnt respect our religious rights, you make every attempt to bring down one of the holiest locations for muslims world wide, you deny us access to it, and then you expect us to be happy with it.

You must be naive or just plain stupid. If the Israelis wanted to target civilians, the IAF could level Gaza City and kill 100,000 people in one day. Do you really think that if they were deliberately targeting civilians that there would be anything left of Palestine?

jonas

and face an uprising of 1.5billion people. there are other ways to kill a society, like turning their land into the largest open air prison.

have noticed that the Islamic terrorist lovers, murderers of millions of innocent men, woman and children, avoid proof of Islamic atrocities and double standards like the plague.

again jonas (sorry mate dont mean to attack you and if you look at my other posts you will see am not defending hamas)

where is the double standard here. american policies towards iraq resulted in the death of more than half a million people, is that not a terrorist act? the bombing of a pharmaceutical factory in sudan lead to the deaths of over a million people in the years that followed, is that not a terrorist act? why do you avoid mentioning these amongst others (look at what happened in nicaragua, chile, haiti the list is almost endless, why is it that when its carried out by westerners its not classed as a terrorist act?)

killing women and children is wrong, i wont call it a terrorist act because one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter (george washington was a terrorist in his time). but what almost everyone on this blog is doing is wrong, if a comment isn't anti-semetic its islamaphobic (although muslims dont seem to be as sensitive and dont question the level of racism in some remarks). jonas you yourself say "proof of Islamic atrocities", i am a muslim, is what i am saying in anyway advocating terrorism? why classify an entire religion because of what a certain few do? islam is a religion that most muslims today dont understand (which is a pitty) and if they do rarely follow (including myself, although in my case as in many its liquor not murder). you want to question the action of so called terrorist groups, i request that in the future you refer to them by the name they call themselves, and not the broad classification of islam, its an insult to the rest of us. as i have said over and over, people should stop taking sides, it solves nothing everyone is wrong, its war, both sides have commited atrocities, probably on purpose, but saying one is right and the other is wrong is ignorant. the greater aggressor can be in no doubt to anyone, but no one here seems to want to know the truth, you all seem to be happier listenin to what is said by your peers and accepting it as fact. try educating yourselves on the history of the region, on western policies towards the arab world, on the true nature of islam (and judaism and christianity for that matter) not what some racist wants the world to think about it. then and only then will any of you have the right to question what is happening in this region. all of you should stop insighting hate, its not going to help it will only make things worse (proffessor and miriam im talking to you aswell – the world belongs to us all and only when we realize this can there ever be any chance of peace and prosperity). miriam you say your not indoctinated by society, well i am sorry love but you are, your taught to hate the rest and look after your own, its clear in your comments. i am sorry but that is the worst form of indoctrination. and clearly you do listen to the news because you are just repeating what isreali media says (and i am yet to see substantial proof of this – dont mention repeat explosions after a bombing, anyone with half a mind knows that when a building is bombed more than one is dropped on it). everybody in this world needs to wake the F up, your all pawns taking this world to disaster and none of you realize it. if you dont believe me just look at this blog, its not about religion or race anymore, its just one side against the other, the world is splitting in two and if it keeps going this way WW3 wont be nation against nation, it will be brother against brother. education is the key, not what you learn in school but what you teach yourselves!!! sorry for blagging on, i just had a lot i wanted to say.

CLAYTON
harvey is afull time blogger; he does not sleep. this is a full time job for him. he is paid by the criminal band of israel . you are just waiting your time with him. he is here because israelis want him to be here.

Gosh, Clayton, you're scraping the academic barrel a little bit here. Can't say I'm blown away by your witty reposte. Which part of your brilliant, academic argument am I supposed to be impressed with?

Just a gentle hint. Try using spell check before you submit your comment. Might help you with your spelling. I think there's no hope for the grammar, dear boy. I'll limit myself to one correction. Don't want to bore everyone.

By the way you spell HOLE thus.
See if you get it right next time....

harvey
how much money do they give you, you and linda and the bunch of liers?

Clayton!!!!
By Jove he got it.
In his comment to Akiva full of his normal academic gravitas he spelt HOLE correctly. Well done or Mazel Tov as we Jews say. Let the bells ring out!

professor
you what they told me yesterday (and harvey was there too).they told me : we colonised yoiu in 1967. this is the dynamic of history; go and look for another country. you see their logic. isnt that pathetic?

Mohammed,

I'm so ridiculously wealthy, I do this as a mere past time...

Mohammed,

Israeli children have been losing limbs and suffering horrific injuries for years as a result of rocket attacks. Why do you think Israel's responding?

I suppose the news channels you watch never showed that.

Prof,

In 1948, every other religion had a state of it's own. The Jews had been annihilated and thrown out of country after country for generations. The decision to create a Jewish state was made long before the European Holocaust.

It made sense to most of the international community, excluding the Arabs, that the Holy Land was the logical location for obvious reasons that only racist, anti-Jewish bigots didn't agree with.

jews have always been problematic to humanity and its high time we found an exceptional solution. the situation , with the degree of the atrocities, has become unbearable.

miriam
we arabs and muslims can no more tolerazte what you do to our brothers and sisters in palestine. be sure that we have entered a new era in this long conflict and that what is coming wil be either you or us insha llah.

Akiva U R an Israeli ASS

Miriam,

A new lie... as if you were living in 1948 and we were not....

Go ahead and list for me each religion and the country please....

Guys stop dirty talk

Mohammed,

I hear an open call for genocide.

Prof,

Rabbis never said that. It is the Moslem Imam's interpretation of the Koran's description of the Jews.

There are good Israelis and bad Israelis just as good and bad arabs, unfortunately currently Israel is under Bad Israelis control

people were right about you throughout history. nobody ha sliked you. you have become acceptable only when you formed your lobby in the US. nOW THE US is falling down; who will support you? i will the first to take your intestins out of your bodies, prophets killers.

Hi Akiva, Prof. Ya'll are up early.

To the rest of you, whom I haven't met yet, good morning!

A definition of terrorism is the systematic use of terror. Just what is terror? According to the Meriam-Webster dictionary (and I am going to use the old c/p here:

ter·ror
Pronunciation: \ˈter-ər, ˈte-rər\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French terrour, from Latin terror, from terrēre to frighten; akin to Greek trein to be afraid, flee, tremein to tremble — more at tremble
Date: 14th century
1: a state of intense fear
2 a: one that inspires fear : scourge b: a frightening aspect c: a cause of anxiety : worry d: an appalling person or thing ; especially : brat
3: reign of terror
4: violent or destructive acts (as bombing) committed by groups in order to intimidate a population or government into granting their demands
synonyms see fear

OK, so a terrorist is something or somebody acting with the purpose of causing an intense state of fear in another person, group, gov't, etc.

I have not found a universal definition of terrorism that has been agreed on by everybody, although most definitions of terrorism include the commonalities of acts intended to create fear, perpetrated for an idealogical goal, and disregard and/or target non-combatants. Aspects of terrorism include violence, psychological "warfare", deliberate targeting of non-combatants, disguise (such as blending in with the ordinary populace), and unlawfulness. In 1988, the US Army found over 100 definitions of terrorism, and found that the concept was controversial because some gov'ts use the definition to delegitimize political opponents, resulting in state-sanctioned terrorism.

I believe that the definition of terrorism depends on the person or group's interpretation of the word. I don't think that one can understand terrorism until they have "walked the mile in the other's shoes". Yes, it's terrorism to the Israelis, because the suicide bombings, rocket lobbing, kidnapping, and explicit expression and commitment to the destruction of Israel causes fear in the Israeli population. Yes, it's terrorism to the Palestinians, not knowing when the shooting between Hamas and the IDF will start and the bombs will fall, the state-sanctioned assassinations, the restriction of movement, not knowing when your home is going to be declared illegal and bulldozed, when you will be arrested because you talked to someone in passing in the street and are now considered a terrorist. It's terrorism when you are deprived of food and medical assistance, no matter whose "fault" is causing the situation (and there's enough blame to go around!)

See what I'm getting at? It's hard to open communication lines and change opinion when you are terrified.

So I suggest that we all be a little nicer to each other, less insulting, and try to understand differing viewpoints.

Akiva,
It's strange that so many Arabs send their children to schools in the USA and UK. Why? Is it maybe because the standard of education is higher in the west? Is it perhaps because their children, especially girls, have more choices in the west? I have an idea that the western countries would prefer it if you kept your kids at home. Why do so many Arabs live in the west? Perhaps freedom has something to do with it. I think GWB went to the Hamas School of Arab Logic.

Akiva,

But I think CNNI is free and unbiased

Miriam,

I attended lecturs in Jewish synagogues myself and heard it in my own ears... so don't what they say and what they do not say.

I am agog and aghast at the amazing, blinding display of rhetoric emanating from Clayton. Trying to combat such a dazzling display of debating skills is indeed an exercise in futility...

I think Bhorat (and by the way Clayton he is an imaginary character played by Sasha Baron Cohen another nice Jewish boy) does better arguing for Khazakstan than you do for whatever you are trying to argue for...

if we ar emonkeys, then, they are what?

Fawad Ali

CNN international all the time is at the side of israel!!!!!!!
CNN international allways say us what israelians are telling them!!!!!!

this while Arab journalist are in Gaza !

but the smart CNN cant find a way to put theyr journalist into Gaza
if they bring something out of Gaza its from Arab chanels

it smells !!!!!!!!!!!!

Fawad Ali

do you think CNN is free?????
are you a american?????????????
... i hope you were a bit ironic :D

Hello Lynne,

its good you started with the definition of Terror...

Terror as you identified it can be by a group of individuals or by a State. right?

jonas
you talk about the west as if israel ie part of the west. let me tell you this: israel is part of neither the west, nor the east. it is not classified within any human category . watch the news and judge by yourself.

Professor terror=======60 years of existence of Israel

CNN

why you give fascists a media platform
such as this guy who talk about "hamastan"
CNN
the international world map calls this place Gaza!!!!!!!!!!

keep such fools at home !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

miriam
of course yes i call explicitely for your extermination.

Prof,

Jews and Arabs lived in the land in 1948.

You obviously didn't understand the Rabbi's lecture or you are telling one big lie.

Akiva,

I appreciate, but unfortunately we got some dirty mouths here, just try to ignore them........I am just talking about CNN, in western media, CNN coverage is really good compare to others.

But I am really disappointed you don't see that way

Mohammed,

Delighted t hear that you are attending lectures with us Jews at Jewish synagogues. Did you engage in debate? Did you bravely stand up and preach your views of tolerance and understanding? Your vision of humanity creating a better world and celebrating diversity of cultures?

Pray do tell more? I'm sitting on the edge of my seat waiting for the saga of "Mohammed goes to Synagogue" to unfold.

Which synagogues exactly and where....?
Forgive my doubting you, but every time you have been asked to substantiate any of your rhetoric with hard evidence, you aren't able to.

you saw the definition of terrorism. we are in jewish classroom. lol

"jews have always been problematic to humanity and its high time we found an exceptional solution."

straight from Mein Kampf by Adolf Schickegruber Hitler

now we know what you think and you dare denying that you are a full blown antisemite?

harvey
you are wrong. i did not mention any synaguogue now. check what you say. you have been awake for so long. go and sleep harvey. we were talking yesterday. i slept and you arer still awake. this sis bad for your health old man.

Miriam,

What?.... your comment does not make any sense....

What do you understand from a comment such "Arabs are subhumans"?

akiva

yeah, the hamas terrorists build grad rockets by themselves, they did no get them from iran, right??

Prof,

I think that "terrorism" is anything that anyone or any group does that creates a state of intense fear and anxiety in another person or group. We sit here, relatively safe (well, perhaps not from Big Brother), accusing. What do we know ... we are well-fed, have access to necessities despite the economic situation, can come and go as we please, etc. There are no bombs going off.

Yes, terrorists can be a group - examples include Hamas, Jewsish settlers attacking Palestinian farmers, Palestinians attacking Jews. Yes, terrorists can be a country - examples are extrajudical killings, depriving one person of basic human rights – the numero uno right in my book is safety (ex. Zimbabwe). It depends on the person feeling "terrorized".

I think the key to solving terrorism is understanding what it is that is causing the fear. Then we, not as countries, religious groups, political arms, etc., but as humans, must work together so that none of us feels afraid.

Akiva,

'patience', World will see good side of the US under next admin

Fawad Ali
what you see at CNN USA ... i only get CNN international
and here its total propagande

they try to force a war against Iran now
to hide about the genocide by israel!!!!!!!

and what they let talk fascists as this wallstreet-boy Brett Stevens at the international CNN?
he call gaza "hamastan"
even the israelians dont do so and still speack about Gaza

CNN take this fascist offf!!!!!!!!!

"miriam
of course yes i call explicitely for your extermination"

q.e.d.

antisemite!!!

dan perman
israel is not terrorist because they get rocketa and more from USA???
are you kidding?

Dan,

I'm going to leave Mohammed the tolerant, Akiva the understanding, Clayton the obbjective and all their disciples to you now.

Send me an e mail if any of them mangage to make a valid argument. In fact just send me an e mail if they're spelling improves.

Am off with my kids to pack some parcels for the folks being rocketed in Sderot.

Meanwhile Shalom to you all (including the the afore mentioned peace loving gang).

Dan,

I'm going to leave Mohammed the tolerant, Akiva the understanding, Clayton the obbective and all their disciples to you now.

Have total faith in your ability to manage 'em.

Send me an e mail if any of them mangage to make a valid argument. In fact just send me an e mail if they're spelling improves.

Am off with my kids to pack some parcels for the folks being rocketed in Sderot. Tell Mohammed I'm off to count my millions!

Meanwhile Shalom to you all (including the the afore mentioned peace loving gang).

Lynne,

So, can you call all people in the history of the world who fought against an occupation that ended in getting their indepence and removing the occupation acts of terrorism?

I do not want to start lising all the heros in the histroy that led resistance to occupation.... are they all terrorist?

akiva

answer the question instead of evading it, as usual

CNN
what is this guy giles kepel talking about "niggers" ???
you bring up the next fascist?
CNN are you doing nazi propaganda ... where did you find this guy ???
in the KKK????

are you crazy????

Oh by the way Mohammed there is a deliberate grammar mistake in my last message. Spot it and I'll be very impressed. It will give you something else to think about apart from your vile prejudices and hatred.

Farewell and well done again all those tens of thousands who demonsrtrated peacefully in Trafalguar Square in London in support of Israel.

Got to run...

dan perman
proofe me that hamas get rokets by iran when you are talking about that as a fact!
and dont let me bring official numbers of what USA is supporting israel with weapons and money !!!

that we have proofed later

There is huge loss among childeren. Hamas fighters are among the population in Gaza. Why does Israel uses the air force. Why dosen't it send the troops into Gaza and fight one to one. Surely there will be less loss among civilience.

CNN sorry about giles kepel

the seems to be right ... was very objective
maybe ha has choosen some wrong words when he wqas talking about "nigers"
but the rest was very objective :D

gratulation :D

dan
you are again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

harvey
they’re spelling improves. is this good spelling? HAAAHAAA

Prof,

To the power that were getting kicked out, yes. They did not want to lose power, and that created fear. But on the other hand, history is country/country or recognized state/state. It has been acknowledged on the boards and by the world that Palestine is neither a county nor a state, so what is the land of Palestine called? They have an elected government, but no world-recognized name.

Following the same, since there is no world-recognized country of Palestine, and (according to some Zionist views) the land occupied by the Palestinians rightly belongs to Israel, a case could be made as action designed to protect the public, with the benefit of getting rid of political opponents with a little bit of good old-fashioned ethnic cleansing thrown in.

One can use history and loosely worded definitions of terrorism to make a pretty good case for either side.

HARVEY
Another mistake:
Farewell and well done again all those tens of thousands who demonsrtrated peacefully in Trafalguar Square in London in support of Israel.

a run-on sentence.This is what we call a basic sentence fault.
By the way , we may make mistakes, not errors, because of the pressure of communication. However, I think you do not evn make a difference between a mistake and an error. If you happen to do , can you define what is a mistake and what is an error.

Israeli investigation said that the attack on UN school was by mistake????

akiva

answer the question, who could have given hamas grad rockets (if you know what grads are)

poor souls, all of you, unwilling to come to common terms for a greater good and more determined to point blame and make racist comments (except for lynne, good on you love, i wish there were more people like you in the world, an educated soul not indoctrinated by the views of those around you, but instead able to form your own based on what you have learnt). i am now certain that WW3 is coming, and you know what everyone in this blog is on the side of evil except for lynne (yes the aethiests, the jews and the muslims). your all racist fools who need a good kicking.

Harvey
Another error:

Oh by the way Mohammed there is a deliberate grammar mistake in my last message. Spot it and I’ll be very impressed. It will give you something else to think about apart from your vile prejudices and hatred.

The correct form:
Oh! by the way, Mohammed, there is a deliberate grammar mistake in my last message. Spot it and I will be very impressed. It will give you something else to think about apart from your vile prejudices and hatred.
1- put terms of address between commas.
2- i'll belongs to spoken discourse.

haaaaaaaaaaahhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhaaa

Mackawee,

The Israelis said that the shells that fell on the UN school were meant for a target 30 yards away. Toward the end of the article.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090111/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_palestinians

I want everyone to read Lynne latest comment....

Lynne,

stop playing with the words.... country... not country....

The fact is the fact A piece of land known as Palestine since the ancient history with people on it called Palestinians being occupied by a Israel. So, we have an occupier and an occupied.... we have a State Army the occupier using heavy weapons against the occupied and a small number of the occupied using primitive weapon to resist the occupation.... so we have Israeli terrorist State against future heros.

i think that we should fill these blogs more. As you see, israelis are everywhere spreading lies and defending theundefendable. Try to spread the word among people that you know. We have a just cause and we have to defend it and show to the world the ugly face of israel, the rapist.

tarig

WWI3 was begun years ago ny muslim terrorists, culminating in 9/11, Bali, Mumbai (where the bodies of the rabbi and his wife were severely mutilated by those heroes)

lynne
do you want us what infants' killers say or what? Do you believe criminals in your ordinary life?

so where do the gards come from?

anyone?

icecream for the first with the correct answer (hint: not from lichtenstein)

Prof,

As you see, it's all a matter of interpretation on both history and semantics. And a question of domination, since we as humans have not evolved past the concept of domination.

Things are never B&W, only shades of gray.

please dan for my sake, i have not refered to isrealis as terrorist because i dont believe in pointing the figer of blame, i am a muslim i request that you dont insult me and place muslims in the broad category of terroists (read my earlier post). as for 9/11 any right minded person could see the it is against the laws of physics for a building to free fall like that unless the core was destroyed. the official explanation is the heat melted the core from the top down – funny the first thing i learnt in physics class is that heat rises. bali and mumbai were evil acts i agree, but both sides are doing the same, the only way this will end is if we as humanbeings stand against ALL acts of evil, again refer to my earlier blog for some examples. pointing the finger will not work.

lynne, 30 meters. whoops. That makes all the innocent death a legitimt military target. Will you inform me about the distences inwhich civelience can find a safe shelter inside Gaza.

tarig

nothing is further from my mind than insulting you
i just pointed out the fact that these, and other acts of terror, were carried out by muslims and that terror is WW3

Mohammad,

I'm quite sure I do not understand you

"do you want us what infants’ killers say or what?"

As far as criminals - the US makes liberal use of the insanity plea. What to believe? I believe in fairness and equal opportunity. If you deliberately target people you don't know, who have not done anything to you, the targeting is a criminal act. Period.

mackawee

any place in gaza from which no rockets are being shot

you tell them which places these are, will you?

Tarig,
I don't support the war in Iraq and I don't like George Bush. I also never attack moderate Muslim people and have absolutely nothing against them. In fact, I believe that moderate Muslims are very much the victims of Muslim extremism. I believe that freedom of religion is a fundamental human right. Hamas is a terrorist organisation by their own admission. I hate terrorists and there are far more Islamic terrorist organizations than any other.
In Palestine I believe Hamas is responsible for the death of the woman and children. All they had to do was stop firing the missiles. They refused. I don't blame the Palestinian people, only Hamas. If Hamas cared about the lives of the Palestinian people, they would have tried anything to prevent an Israeli attack.
My biggest problem is with extremist Muslims who are now spewing lies and propaganda against Israel, while their hands are dripping with blood. I never said everyone else in the world is innocent and only Muslims are evil. My original question was why are Muslim extremist trying to claim the moral high ground, and are getting away with it, while they have killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people, all over the world. There are many evil people, from all religions, in this world. But, to me a terrorist is someone who threatens my life and the life of my family on a constant basis. The only people, who do this, are Islamic terrorists.
I see many Muslim people singing the praises of Adolf Hitler and the holocaust on these pages. Only the most vile, despicable and evil people will support Hitler and I'm sure that they will be punished, severely, by God. I don’t know who these people are, but if they are not extremists, then they ought to be.

Lynne
I mean ,w e don't believe what the israeli say to justify their killing of children in the UNRWA school because they are terrorists: they kill children, wommen, doctors, etc... with cold blood. Nobody trust them.

Lynne,

There is no shade of gray in here as you like to pretend....

Its in Black and White and very clear to me and to millions of demonstrators all over the word supporting the Palestinians....

Its the occupation stupid....

Linda, Debs, Chernor, where are you? I open this post and there is only an onslaught of ignorance, stupidity , well-done lies and pure hatred. I pity Dan, Miriam, and Harvey – they are overwhelmed by this avalanche of stupidity here.
I'm losing hope.

Mohammed,

When you start attacking people for their spelling, or exclaiming stuff like we Jews harassed Hitler (I'm sure our existence caused him headaches, as it does to you), that's when I know that not only is there no discussing with you on a normal, intelligent level, there is also no arguing with you, seeing how you evade every question and fact we throw at you, and keep repeating the mantras you were brainwashed with.

Same goes for False Prof., Akiva and Salmon. Go ahead, keep preparing that oven you promised Dan and leave this blog alone.

where do the hamas terrorists get their grads from?

nobody knows, but you dispute that they came from iran?
cowards

ok but again dan i refer you to my earlier blog, why speak out against these evil acts carried out by people who claim to be muslims, and not refer to the countless other acts of so called terrorism that have been carried out in nations throughout the world? the greatest sponsor of so called terrorism is the US govt. you only need to look at what has happened in south america for the past 50 years to see that. were these acts carried out by muslims? i am saying that if we want the world to be a better place we cant point the finger at only one group, especially when that group are merely products of their society, and not question the actions of other groups just because were are affiliated with them. its time we question everything, not just that which is carried out against "us".

welcome beny

i looked in kimmelman directory but could not find you

Mohammed and all people of good will on this forum:
I think we should live those provokators without their jobs.
Don't give them satisfaction and stop writting. Bojkot them.
There is so many ways to defend the human writes.

I would like to say that we can do anything and in the same time we can make the differece.
We can pray to GOD. He can do everything, everything no mather if somebody like it or not. He is the LORD of the world and belive me HE IS LISTENING and HIS patience is running out righ now.
I'm praing all the time for those innocent people and for all who have not heards of stone.

For those who has the fosssilles instead of the heards I pray GOD will break them, defrease them with HIS LOVE which is the most powerfull weapon in the universe.

Remember praing can do miracles – miracles which can change the most contaminated hearts.

Spreading lies and heatred is futaile.

Love will prevail!!!

Jonas,

thats what Israel brought on to you... what don't you apply what you preach?....

Ok Benny
As far as criticizing spelling is concerned, Harvey criticized us and I only responded by pointing to a basic difference between errors and mistakes. The other issues you mentioned (angrily) are debatable too.

dan perman
grad rockets where they come from ?
tell us ... proof us!
don theory ... bring official numbers and documants... post us links?
but valid links!

unitl you cant proof that something comes from where ever its not a fact!!!!

and do we have to proofe you what kind of stuff and how many of thet stuff, the USA gave to Israel?

dont trap yourself !

Mackawee,

I cannot reconcile what constitutes a legitimate military target in the small, densely populated area. Buildings labeled "HAMAS Headquarters", HAMAS Bomb Works", etc. do not exist. What is probable is that things of evil are going on, possibly in the same apartment building as folks having nothing to do with these ... not sure what to call them, or underneath buildings (all the tunnels, one wonders). In this instance, I don't believe in sitting some distance away shelling. Too many things can go wrong, and too many innocents can get killed. In my mind, urban warfare requires mano-a-mano in order to protect as many innocents as possible.

When a shell is falling, I don't believe there is any safe distance, because event "smart" bombs and shells are not 100%

Remember praing can do miracles – miracles which can change the most contaminated hearts.

maria

not when your praying for the destruction of a race of people, it will backfire in that case. grow up, your right to defend your own but praying for a religion to be destroyed is the most ignorant thing i can think of. if you knew anything about the history of religion you would know that muslims and jews are cousins, we (muslims) descend from Ismael, and jews descend from Isaac both the sons of Abraham. would you wish death upon your cousin? if you do your sick, we all have the God given right to life, and judgement is in Its hands only, not mine, not yours and not anyone elses on here.

Beny,

This blog for people who have little brain and want to discuss the Israeli attack on Gaza....

you do not belong here.... so you can leave this blog if you like to discuss Darfur or any other topic.

Maria
This is what they are looking for. I join this plog to respond to the lies they try to spread. Unfortunately, many people in the western world believe them; that's why, we should attempt to correct the situation. Few minutes ago, Benny told me that he owns this blog and that he does not want us here. You see the strategy: they wand poeple to believe them without having recourse to &a second opinion. Jews have been operating this way for decades. Now that we are alive and kicking , they have become to turn into aggressive creatures (because they are not human beings).

professor

as always you are evading the question

suit yourself, ignoramus

Lynne,

good point.

Benny and Dan
we are sub-humans and you are the favorite people of god .You own "the truth". I suggest you leave this blog and let us discuss.

Too many things can go wrong, and too many innocents can get killed. In my mind, urban warfare requires mano-a-mano in order to protect as many innocents as possible.

lynne

again spot on. but it will never happen for the simple fact that the person who has nothing to loose is the person you fear most. palestinians have nothing to loose, it wouldnt be wise from an isreali point of view to fight them face to face. you got to look at the wider picture, in the words of cubfan a little colateral casualties is worth it, especially if the alternative is placing your soldiers in an un-winable situation. sick i know, but accurate, its the way of the world, has been since the time of sun tzu.

Mohammad,

I do not believe in the killing of innocents, either, and to injure a child is the greatest crime of all in my book.

Is there any way at all to get people talking to each other, even in light of great tragedy? Is there any way at all to put vengeance aside?

Prof,

For all I enjoy our discussions, I just don't know what to say to you. For me, the human side of this tragedy is shades of gray. Both Israelis and Palestinians are suffering greatly, and at this moment, the degree of suffering is greatest for the people of Gaza. The only thing that is B&W is that people must get past all the differences in opinion, find the commonalities, and use this as the foundation to construct a beautiful piece of architecture.

Everybody here
i suggest you buy as many ovens as you can.

I don't wish death anybody. I did not say anytnig like that !!!!!
I think you have problem with your imagination.
Go to a doctor mayby it is not to late for you :)

And please don't put the words which I didn't said in my mouth next time bacaus I will report that.

Lynne,

I enjoy this discussion as well....

mohammed

i deeply appologize if our telling the truth upsets you so much

try valium

I suggest that the Arabs start thinking in positive and constructive mode. Peace would immediately bring prosperity and improved quality of life to all in the region.
Israel cleared Jenin of terrorists [albeit condemned by the world] and now it is a peaceful and thriving town.
we withdrew from Gaza so there was no excuses for indiscriminate rockets attacks seeking to kill as many Israelis as possible.
in the name of peace several thousands of israeli citizens were uprooted and taken out of Gaza – STOP THIS NONENSE OF JIHAD AND MORE BLOOD! So far the biggest losers have been the Palestinians who were denied statehood by their brothers in Eygpt and Jordan and have been offred this by Israel!!
GET REAL – ISRAEL WILL NOT GO BACK TO PRE 67 CEASE FIRE LINES – NEVER RATIFIED AS RECOGNIZED INTERNATIONAL BORDER.

ISRAELI SCHOOL CHILDREN ARE NOT TAUGHT TO HATE LIKE IN THE HAMAS KINDERGARTENS.

the israeli army is made up of Jews, Druze, Beduin, Chirkassim, Christian Arabs and even a few Moslem ones. A model of co-existence and camradie
best wishes to all
eddie carter

Here are some things I have a tough time dealing with. Maybe you all can help. It's a repeat of Jan 11 0130 blog entry but I'm still looking for comment.

There is so much condemnation of Israel for violating UN resolutions. I never hear any condemnation of the Arab nations violating 181, not accepting the two state solution in 1948, attacking Israel in 1948, and continuing wars, cross-border attacks, suicide bombings targeting civilians, economic boycotts, teaching hate, the Khartoum 3 NOs, re-arming Hezbullah, etc. Why is it OK to knock Israel for violating resolutions but not knocking the Arabs for doing the same thing especially (but not only) re: 181? Seems to me you either knock them both or just forget about the UN resolutions. Of course, once you knock the Arabs re: 181, you accept the 2-state solution which puts you at odds with Hamas and some other Arab regimes, as well as accepting the role of the Arabs in causing (yes, causing) the refugee problem, Israeli control of the West Bank (recall Jordan controlled it before 1967 and did not create a Palestinian state since that would have implied accepting 181’s 2-state concept and Israel got it when Jordan attacked Israel in 1967), etc. So, I believe those who favor eliminating Israel not bring up UN resolutions at all and those who favor the 2-state solution bring them all up, starting with 181 and the Arab rejection. Anything in between seems rather hypocritical, double standard, whatever the going term is. Correct?

According to CNN’s short summary of Gaza facts, three-quarters of Gaza is used for agriculture. Hamas has built over a hundred tunnels for smuggling things from Egypt to Gaza. Is it really believable that they could not have built underground storage for the weapons in the ¾ of Gaza that is unoccupied, or fired their rockets from unoccupied areas? Instead it seems they have intentionally stored and fired from well-populated areas. This seems to me like asymmetric warfare, intending to either deter attacks on their forces and weapons or use the resulting civilian casualties for PR. The counter to that seems to me to be international outrage at Hamas putting its civilian population at risk. But I see little of that. By the way, I am appalled and feel tremendous empathy for the folks who are just trying to live their lives and are in Gaza. They should not be subjected to such enormous misery, death, injury, destruction, etc. But I see the cause as all sides, including the international community for not condemning little actions that ended up leading (predictably) to this crisis. Address the little actions before they lead to blood, which seems to be about all the media report. This kind of asymmetric warfare is very hard to counter. True?

Speaking of the tunnels, couldn’t Hamas have used them to smuggle in food, fuel, medicines, etc instead of rockets and explosives for mortars? In fact, couldn’t Iran, or whoever is supplying the arms, have furnished these? By the way, wouldn’t the smuggling be not required if Hamas were not openly committed to annihilate Israel?

Is it warfare? We have Hamas openly stating its goal of annihilating Israel and then demanding that Israel provide it electricity, fuel, food, etc. Truces we get for a while but enduring peace remains elusive. How can the world expect that there will be peace between two entities when one wants to annihilate the other? That seems like the one is declaring it is in an ongoing state of war with the other, whether there is a truce for re-arming or not. Sounds like war to me, whether hot or cool; remember the “Cold War”? And if it is, “war is hell’, said by a man well versed in the horrors of war.

Most of the Israelis I’ve met want to live in peace. Some want roughly the 1967 borders, some want much more. But mainly they want to live in peace. The path to that peace seems conceptually simple to me: remove the threat to Israel’s existence as homeland for the Jewish people, as described in 181, create a Palestinian state living in peace with Israel, as described in 181, and have the two interacting for the benefit of each other, as described in 181. We came close to this in the late 1990s and early 2000’s, before Intifada 2. I have seen Israeli Jews and Israeli Arabs living very well together, socializing, doing commerce, receiving medical care at hospitals, etc. If lives are the most important, let all the nations of that area teach peace and show Israel on the maps they use to teach their children. Otherwise, let some Arab and Muslim leaders continue their diatribes of hate of Jews and the existence of ‘The Zionist Entity’ with the goal of annihilating ‘the Zionist Entity’ from the world. But don’t be surprised by the outcomes of the latter path; it’s wars, killing, and destruction, aka ‘The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse’. True?

Lynne,

What Hamas is doing is like waving a baby and throwing it at a chair. Sure the baby suffers more than the chair and I pity the baby no less than you do, but that's hardly reason to blame the chair!

mohammed, i am a muslim, i see whats happening, i know your angry just like the rest of the arab world, but is racism really the way to fight them? "they are not human beings". who are you to judge them, when did you become Allah, its not your right to make assumptions and fight fire with fire. water is the only way to put out a blaze. try showing them the error of their ways, try pointing out books that can help them understand what is wrong with the world, although based on your comments your more the problem than the solution. dont insult them and place yourself on a peddlestool of knowledge. fight with the mind, revert to the teachings of the Quran, if we wernt so premature to want to fight the entire worlds public opinion would be against this zionist regime, but muslims are the worst enemy of Islam. its not time to pick up the sword yet, maybe that time will come soon, but were not there yet.

Lynne
You have got to be kidding. Talking is a structured activity and it is rule-governed. One of its basic ingredients is readiness. Can we talk with people whose army does not stop from killing humans, grass, and stone all day and all night without the slightest ado. Do you want us to believe in the crap called "dialogue of religions", "dialogue of civilizations", or the "the unity for the meditteranean". Even the most optimistic people in the arab world have started to reject the idea. Readiness has to^pass through stopping inhumane massacres and introducing rulers and propounders of this unjust war to the penal court in Lahaye.
If you believe in radical solutions, answer this question and show me your good will:
Will you accept expelled refugees in 1948 to return back to their land. This is the essence of the conflict between usand you.

http://www.anis-online.de/mediendatenbank/palestiniana/p/map4.jpg
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Lynne,

during the last Israeli attack on Genin, a female jewish rabbi started an online discussion forum that was very productive... unlike this blog here which is a forum for people to express their anger only.

She invited intellectuals from the differnet faiths and it was mandatory for everyone to post a self introcuction as their first comment. So, everyone knew who exactly they are talking to....

Here people hide behind nicks that are meaningless and sometimes don't make sense.

As a moderator she sets the first topic for discussion and we did not move to another subject until we exhasted the first topic and documented the results.

I wish we could do that again.... instead of wasting time here.

Benny
are you using copy and paste because you repeat the same text everyday.

professor

you want proof for what

your antisemitic ravings on this blog did not prove anything, you demnding proof for verifyable facts does not prove anything save you being an ignoramus

and that is a fact that needs no further proof

Tariq,

I might also add that in this age of "body-counting", many people view the collateral casualties as one more count. Dehumanized, sanitized war, I think. In many cultures, if you seriously believe in something, you should be willing to die for it. In the absence of a draft, I think this is what most militaries are based on. Otherwise, why would one join up?

The downside is that as innocent collateral damage adds up, the winner of the numbers starts to lose the world-wide PR war. If the military casualties start adding up, you lose the PR war on the home-front. A catch-22. What to do? Keep the support of your people, or view innocents as expendable? Like the Titanic, do you keep people off the lifeboats so you are comfortable and have plenty of room, or do you take on as many as you can without sinking? Do you leave people you name as underclass locked up below decks because there aren't enough lifeboats to go around? Survival, coupled with morality, does have it's own dilemmas.

Interesting that you reference Sun Tzu. I believe that his writings also include the concept of (paraphrased) not fighting battles you can't win. I think that current tactics and strategies at this moment have not created a winnable situation for either the Israelis or Palestinians.

To The American Liberal Media, (CNN, MSNBC, NBC, ABC...)
Please stop being the propaganda arm for Hamas by spotlighting how many babies are killed by the Israeli forces in this Gaza War.
If Osama Ben Ladin was in a home with his family and it would be unfeasible to separate him from his children would we bomb his house let's say from an air drone?

How many children did the U.S. kill in Afghanistan ?
(a war that received universal approval)

How many children did we kill in Japan with 2 Atomic bombs after we were attacked in Pearl Harbor? How many German children did we kill when we fought Germany when we carpet bombed cities such as Dresdin?

Why won't you constantly remind your readers or viewers that it's a deliberate strategy of Hamas
to embed themselves in the midst of or behind civilians when they shoot their rockets over to Israel? Why won't you point out that that is the only strength that the Hamas terrorists have because otherwise their whole force would be annihilated in less than an hour?

How can you be so manipulated by such evil people who promote the glory of being martyred for the sake of their "religion"? How can you be so manipulated by barbaric people who serve up their children to be with Allah so that they can perpetrate their hate upon the peaceful people of Israel (who have made peace with their neighbors in Egypt and Jordan and strive to do the same with the Palestinians)?

Why don't you shine the spotlight on Hamas for persisting to shoot rockets over to Israel by the hundreds and won't stop now and agree to stop for all time? What would you do with a neighbor who attempted to murder you and your countrymen and took their own citizens hostage to hide behind?

Please be responsible with your coverage because a lot of people are comparing Israel with barbarians and it couldn't be further from the truth. Even just for its own survival Israel would never engage in indiscriminate bombing because it relies on the good will of the world. Israel indeed deserves the will of good people all over the world because the radical element that consists in Hamas is the same that bombed Mumbei, London, Spain, Kenya, New York, Washington and is killing helpless people in Darfur. The good people of the world need to unite against EVIL and not be divided and conquered by particular propaganda schemes.

Thank you,

A Citizen

now at these momements ///.....MORE evidence of idf using WMD or WHD like white phosphrous and alethal weopon (US) called : D I M E !!!!!!

mohammed

your extremely smart comments delight me

did you take the valium yet?

Edm,

deal with it.

Taric forgive me but you misunderstood me I don't pray for any destrucion of anybody or anybodys religion.
I'm a Katolic and I would like you to know that I also belive that only GOD is entitled to handle of life an death.
That's why I'm writing on this forum.
My GOD is the same as yours ALLAH and I condem the massacre which Israel is doing.
My heart is with Gazans write now!

I send this for all of you:

Prayer at sunrise

I will obey any of thy stern judgements,
I will bow down before thy power.
But protect me, o Lord from contempt,
Guard me Lord from hatred.

For thy art an immense good,
Which cannot be expressed by any word.
So protect me from hatred,
And spare me from contempt.

May happen what thou resolve,
Thy will be done.
But deliver me from hatred,
Spare me from contempt, o Lord.

Dan,

I did not request any proof from you.... becuase I know you cannot give any... I will only request a proof from someone who I know can provide it. But you are irrelevant.

dan perman

i was asking you for proofings by the way :)

your so stupid ... cant you read names?
stop druging your self
its not good for your health and special not for your brain

and i was asking for a proof because you try to sugest that iran is arming the hamas

so dont suggst ... proof it !

and i will proof what USA has gaven to Israel ...
al the money from US to israel
all the weapons from US to israel

i will bring you official numbers and papers from the US gov about how they support israel
i will bring you official reports from different countries and organisations about the support by US to israel

so if you are only here to suggest your theories ... leave
al you are posting turny bad to israel
as your letters last time
you allways do frindly fire to israel and your so stupid that you cant see it
and you call people ignorant?

your a so very smart guy!