very interesting letters from two Americans

Israel has no right to point fingers at any other countries desire to seek a nuclear weapon.

I would feel safer with both a non-nuclear Iran and a non-nuclear Israel.

Israeli`s feeling that posession of a nuclear weapon will make them invincible is a fallacy. Au contraire, the use of nuclear weapons by Israel will only make Israels`s defeat absolute because there are simply too many Arabs/muslims to kill them all. Oh,also dont forget Pakistan`s nuclear arsenal.."

Israelis have some bloody nerve: With 200 nuclear

"Israelis have no right to tell Iranians or anyone else that they can`t have the bomb. In fact, did it ever occur to anyone that the main reason that Iran and other Middle Eastern countries want nuclear weapons is because Israel has them? It was Israel that began the nuclear arms race in the Middle East."

Personally I don't care who has nuclear weapons as long as it's people who have the sense not to use them. There are sooo many, that if anyone uses one, then ten countries might use two thousand each. It's scary. The ocean is crawling with them. Two nuke subs bumped each other the other day. Iran seems in turmoil somewhat, and the leader seems a little unrealistic to me. That concerns me about him having a nuke.

GLeigh,

Personally, I care who has nuclear weapons....

Israel is in turmoil and the leaders seems a little unrealistic to me. That concerns me about them having a nuke.

I would be more concerned about Iran having nuclear ability.

Prof – the most shocking thing that I have seen on the news recently was the Irian head person saying that there were no gay people in Iran. I'm not gay, but they do exist. Realistically. And I am a female. That doesn't mean I'm stupid or helpless. Actually two men attacked me once. I'm not large. But one had a broken ankle and the other ran off. I do not wanted to be treated as a little child. I would last about five minutes in Iran. Do you give such a person a weapon that might, realistically, wipe out the world? Nukes are everywhere. There are books, many good, written back in the 1950's about the U.S. and Russia sending them to each other and how people survived afterwards. Sobering stuff. We don't need more.

Hopefully Israel knows, and everyone knows, that there are subs, airplanes, whatever, everywhere. And if one shoots, it could easily turn into something bigger. A shooting gallery perhaps. Since the U.S. went through this about 60 years ago, we have a pet name for nuclear weapons – nukes, we know that. And they are dangerous to the planet. I wish none, at all, existed.

Nuclear power plants do seem ideal as long as there are long term facilities built for the disposal of the waste, decades and decades and decades, and as long as no nutcases send a bomb causing a meltdown. I worry about them in my own country. I'm not sure it's worth the risk.

GLeigh,

I did not see that "recent" news segment that you are talking about.... somehow i missed it.... I don't really know what he meant by what he said... maybe he meant they killed all of the gays that are there so there are none left.... (that they know about in the open).... maybe they still have some in the closets.

I am not sure what this has to do with the nuke issue.

Why it seams that you are not concerned with having more nukes in the world if Israel is the one having them... but when it comes to any other country then it concerns you a lot?

"There are no gay people in Iran." Does that ring a bell? We heard it a lot, over and over, in the U.S. It brought chuckles. The people of Israel seem to respect woman. They seem to live in reality. They seem to change powers of government peacefully, without wars or killing each other. The nuclear issues are complicated. Everything should matter. Also there is the issue of driving Israel into the sea. That doesn't seem very kind either. 9/11 didn't seem nice. Innocent people at work, many from around the world. I do feel sorry for the people in Gaza living in poverty. Using human shields sounds mean to me. I'm just simple I guess.

I am grateful for those moving forward. Nukes are old stuff, old news. CERN, going to Mars, man is moving forward. If we don't kill each other first, we might actually accomplish something. The Hubble telescope was a huge leap forward.

isn't interesting to note that Iran has declared again and again that Israel needs to be wiped off the earth

israel has never said the same about any nation

and people on this blog dare compare Iran and Israel!!

GLeigh,

There are no gay people in Iran but Israel respect woman?.... what is exactly you are trying to say?

Dan,

Oh please trying to compare Israel who has nothing but blood on its hands.... to an old respected civilization like Iran?.... give me a break.

Don't use Israel in the same sentence with Iran.... that will piss of the Iranians you know.

I have to go to a ladies luncheon in the neighborhood. Read, "Alas, Babylon." Had to remember the name because I read it about five years ago. A great book about how a country could be after nukes. It was written in the 1950's but still good. Prof – Women are allowed to be in the military in Israel. Iran doesn't allow women the same rights as men. That's pretty generally well known. As more than 1 out of 2 people in the world, isn't that unfair? Well, I have to get ready and leave soon. I personally don't care who has nukes as long as all have the sense not to actually shoot one. The money might be better spent going to Mars again.

GLeigh,

Are you serious?

"As more than 1 out of 2 people in the world, isn't that unfair?"

What does this really mean?.... will someone please translate what GLeigh is trying to say into English?

GLeigh,

the people of Mars are waiting for you... Why don't you please spend your money on going there?

professor,

Professor February 26th, 2009 1504 GMT

GLeigh,

I did not see that “recent” news segment that you are talking about…. somehow i missed it…. I don’t really know what he meant by what he said
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It was Amadinajad's address to the UN General assebly in 2008! He was quite clear in what he said!!

Prof – Again – please try to follow the conversation. I said that Iran does not allow women equal rights with men, which is generally well known in the world. I also said that seems unfair because we are more than one out of every two people in the world. 60 percent maybe? Not sure of the current stats. This was in response to your previous question. I do think research would be money better spent than on more nukes. There are plenty. Subs bumb each other in the ocean with them.

And Prof, being snide and rude, like CS when he misquoted me though he apologized, is not gentlemanly. If you care at all.

“Based on our religion and our human values, we totally reject all kinds of using all these WMDs, weapons of mass destruction, especially nuclear bombs,” Qashqavi said in an interview this week with CNN.

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What a laugh!!!!!!

But they're religion allows them to hang women in public who were convicted of adultery!!!!! It's OK it hang gays in public also! (Even though Amadinajad claimed to entire world that Iran doesn't have any gay people) That's perfectly OK, right!!! Doesn't matter how old they are either-- 16 years old, that's OK!!

How can trust a society supports such policies and tells blatant lies to the entire world???

Iran's lying to the world is directly evident in this very article-

-"He also said that Russia and Iran were planning to sign a contract soon “for the delivery of nuclear fuel during a period of at least 10 years,” Interfax reported.

So, why does Iran need to enrich Uranium??? Certainly not feed fuel to the power plant!!!!

Such lying idiots!

Great post – http://insidethemiddleeast.blogs.cnn.com/2009/02/26/iran-tests-its-first-nuclear-power-plant/

Carlos,

Every time I mentioned an Israeli agression against it people your answer always in defence of the Israelis claiming that they are ruling by their laws.... the laws they set themselves.

Now if its against the law in Iran to act "gay" in public by the way that is the law in Egypt and Jordan which you claim are peaceful people because they signed a peace treaty with Israel.... a couple of years ago Egypt arrested about 50 young men where gays and put them in prison. So, If its the law in Iran and the punishment for that crime is death.... and they hanged those people then the government is not doing anything against the laws of Iran.... and maybe the results that there are no "gays" that are well known to the government... if they are "gay" in their privacy of their home and no one knows about them then the government cannot claim that they have gays.... so what is the problem with that?

professor

i am not getting excited any more by your stupid insults, they actually insult you

Professor February 26th, 2009 1813 GMT

Carlos,

Every time I mentioned an Israeli agression against it people your answer always in defence of the Israelis claiming that they are ruling by their laws…. the laws they set themselves.

Now if its against the law in Iran to act “gay” in public by the way that is the law in Egypt and Jordan which you claim are peaceful people because they signed a peace treaty with Israel…. a couple of years ago Egypt arrested about 50 young men where gays and put them in prison. So, If its the law in Iran and the punishment for that crime is death…. and they hanged those people then the government is not doing anything against the laws of Iran….
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professor,

And there you go making stuff up again!!!! Show me where I've ever claimed that the Jordanians or the Egyptians are peaceful people!!

But you're right for once-– they have both signed peace agreements with Israel--Something that the Palestinians seem incapable of doing. I guess their elected officials must be slow learners.

Since you appear to approve of these actions. i suggest you hop the next plane to Tehran. You'll feel right at home I'm sure. Do they hang 16 year old girls for adulterous actions there in California??? -And then the guy gets lashes for the same thing??

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you can actually defend such actions! I need only consider the source!

Have you finished teaching the neighborhood children their daily Hamas and martyrdom class today???

After all, you're living on occupied land where you are. From what I see in the news it's only matter of time until the Mexicanos come and demand that you occupiers leave their ancestral homeland. They already seem to have the ability to dictate their wishes to the police force- if they don't like the police- they simply kill them. There's certainly more violence going on right there on a daily basis than in Gaza and the West Bank!

Carlos,

you were the one defending the horrible actions of Israel.... I never defended any actions except the resistance to the occupation. When it comes to Iran I was simply using your logic to show you how wrong that is...

Occupation of what country? I have asked this sooo many times. The countries name? It's dates. If there were people there, they should have been paid something. My parents were when the Highway Department took their house to expand the highway from 2 to 4 lanes. Decades ago. My mom actually liked the new house a little better. They didn't ask for much, and I stayed out of it, but they were kind and made my parents comfortable. I keep hearing about some country being displaced. I want to know who it was, back then after the WWI British Mandate, and the WWII, last century, when Israel became a country, that committed bad stuff. These people should have been paid something and moved into the ME land.

Alaska is huge, if you want land.

Professor February 26th, 2009 2148 GMT

Carlos,

you were the one defending the horrible actions of Israel…. I never defended any actions except the resistance to the occupation. When it comes to Iran I was simply using your logic to show you how wrong that is…
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professor,

You have a pretty warped definition of what is acceptable "actions of resistance"!

You continually profess that it is acceptable to kill the women, children, babies and elderly citizens of Israel-– you repeatedly make it a point that this is acceptable behavior based on your beflief that all Israelis are "occupiers" and therefore justified targets of terrorist-ecuse me "resistance" attacks!

You need not make false claims of beinf a pacifis!

What a laugh!

Professor February 26th, 2009 2148 GMT

Carlos,

you were the one defending the horrible actions of Israel….
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professor,

There you go again-- you must really work hard just to find stuff to fabricate lies, falsehoods and fantasies about!!!!!

I have on many occasions, attempted to make it quite clear to you, that I believe that NO ONE is above the rule of law. The rule of law applies to EVERYONE equally.

Is that statement clear to you?????

Innocence or guilt is not for me or you to judge!!!
Do you understand that concept???
I think not, as you regularly spout off your opinions of who is guilty or innocent-- or what right or wrong or what is acceptable or horrible, not having a shred of first hand evidence.

To be a judge, one needs to unbiased with a thorough understanding of objectivity.
To have an opinion you need neither- thus the statement from your post above
So, for you to claim-that I am " the one defending the horrible actions of Israel", is a fantasy of your imaginative process-- nothing more than your opinion-– it simply does not represent the facts!

Carlos,

find one quote from me where I state that it is acceptable to kill women, children and babies....

More than one person has asked the Prof if the Palestinian people and the Israeli people should negotiate and find peace now. He never answers. Changes the subject or asks another question. He says Israel is an outlaw country so everything they do is outlaw. His opinion. Everyone has one, like noses. Last century, Israel became a nation. No nation was there at the time. I read the history. People lived there. They should have been paid something for their land. My parents were when the Highway Department took their house and land to expand the highway from 2 to 4 lanes several decades ago.

I hope all the countries of the ME find peace and someday we can all visit as tourists without concern like we do Hawaii or Alaska. Have a good weekend all! Later.

professor

you legitimize suicide bombings and rocket fire

that is the same thing as saying that it is acceptable to kill women, children and babies….

and that's a fact!!

Dan,

again making up lies and fabricating stories in your head and then spilling your disgusting guts on this blog does not make them facts.

Many years ago, I'm 50 now, when I was 19, I made a friend. He was kinda cute and always had a camera around his neck. He took neat pictures. Months I looked at them. Finally we went on date. It was a nice place. Finally I asked him what he did for a living. Well, he was 27 which didn't bother me. He had been to Vietnam. He was a "soldier of fortune" who specialized in blowing up things. He told me mostly bridges with bombs hidden underneath. I asked if a person had ever been hurt. He admitted yes. That scared me. Mostly it made me angry. End of story. He told me that he would take me home, nicely. I was glad not to be killed. A bad person in my book. There are no excuses for some things. In my book. Ever.

GLeigh,

so A US soldier in Vietnam is a bad person.... A US soldier in Iraq or Afghanistand is a good person? A Israeli soldier in Palestine is a good person? Can you explain to us how your twisted mind works?

A soldier outside of his country's borders is a bad person period. Soldiers belong inside the borders of their country to defend the country and its borders (I guess Israel is an exception because we really don't know its borders... for I know its the Nile to the Euphrates)...

A soldier on another country soil is considered an invader an occupier... a bad person. It does not matter if its Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan or Palestine.

Professor February 27th, 2009 1747 GMT

Carlos,

find one quote from me where I state that it is acceptable to kill women, children and babies….
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Let's start here------– they're everywhere if you choose to look for them!!!!!

Professor January 17th, 2009 1943 GMT

Roscoe,
There is no civilian in an occupation….. stupid.
All occupants are a fair game until the occupation ends. Israeli Occupying Forces, the Israeli government, those so called civilians living in settlements are all armed and ready to murder innocent unarmed palestinian civilians.

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Here's another jewel for your cap, Professor!!!

Shows the world how you really feel!

Professor January 15th, 2009 1049 GMT

You are digrace to humanity…..
I really don’t think you can be considered among human beings….
Frued gotta be right about your race…. Sons of monekys.
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And another one-- "they're all occupiers"

Professor January 13th, 2009 1631 GMT

GLeigh,
I do not like to kill anyone…
I never served in an army and I will never serve in an army except to defend the borders of my country from any external attack. So, if I live in a country who got invaded and occupied…. then anyone I kill from the occupation has no one to blame but themselves….
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And again!!!!- They're all occupiers!!!!

Professor January 13th, 2009 1803 GMT

Thank you all…
Long Live Palestine…. Down with the occupation…. Death to the occupiers
Professor January 17th, 2009 1506 GMT
There is not civilian protection for occupiers…. Those occupied have the right to resist their occupiers…. and get their land back…. its a right protected by international law.
January 17th, 2009 1909 GMT
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And another-------------

they're everywhere professor!!!!!!!!

Professor January 12th, 2009 1846GMT

Roscoe
there is no civilian population in israel. only thieves.

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Do you need more examples of who you are? I think not-you know very well who you are.

Just don't continue to try to misrepresent yourself! If you can't defend your ideology-– then either refrain from posting it -- or change to something socially acceptable!

So far, what you have displayed lacks the basics in what is considered to be socially acceptable in modern society!

Carlos,

Again you failed to find a single quote from mentioning that killing women, children and babies is ok.... so quit your lies and making things up.

What a pathetic liar you are. You just proved yourself to be one.

Professor February 28th, 2009 1431 GMT

Carlos,

Again you failed to find a single quote from mentioning that killing women, children and babies is ok…. so quit your lies and making things up.

What a pathetic liar you are. You just proved yourself to be one.
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professor mentiroso,

Are the ones above not good enought to show who you are????

I had more on the postings but since there's a moderator now, some got deleted-- for being unfit for publication I'm sure!!!.

Oh, and by the way-– what five languages do you speak???

BWAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!

Carlos,

what a systematic liar.... so now you are accusing the CNN blog moderator of siding with me against you. Come on do you really think that anyone is gonna believe this lie?

Professor March 1st, 2009 810 GMT

Carlos,

what a systematic liar…. so now you are accusing the CNN blog moderator of siding with me against you.
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professor mentiroso,

What-– I'm not accusing anyone of anything-– I'm simply make a point of stating they won't accept "some" of the re-posts -- apparently due to inappropriate comments which you posted.

Are the ones above not good enough to show your true character???

I don't see you whining and crying and complaining about them!

they're fairly tame compared to others I found of you on the same blogs!

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How about this one, this one is pretty true to form for you--

Professor January 13th, 2009 1726 GMT

Yeah I will give them a positive sentiment…. Burn in hell all of you Israel supporters…. There is nothing more positive you will do for the sake of peace on earth.

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It's unrealistic that any one state will actually use nuclear weapons. That includes Israel and Iran (if Iran develops a bomb). The real issue is proliferation to non-state actors. States can be retaliated against. Non-state actors are much more difficult to harm, as we are finding in Afghanistan/Pakistan. The international community should give serious consideration to setting up an internationally controlled nuclear power center in regions throughout the world. This way, states can have access to nuclear energy for power without the possibility of subverting its use for weapons. This idea seems far-fetched, and I'm not sure if certain states would acquiesce to it because of perceived sovereignty issues, but it's a possibility that no one is discussing. Then Iran would have fewer excuses to shutting down its nuclear development programs.

Matt S

That's a nice thought Matt, but if you grasp the details in the article- you'll see that this really doesn't satisfy the desires of Iran.

Russia has built the power reactor for Iran. Russia is supplying the fuel to support testing and start-up. Russia and Iran are also going to sign a 10 year agreement for Russian to supply fuel to run the reactor, on an exchange basis. Russia supplies fuel– Iran returns spent fuel– Russia supplies more fuel. Pretty simple-- no chance for diversion of enriched uranium to be diverted for weapons!!!!

So, why does Iran feel the need to establish a massive uranium enrichment facility at the cost of billions of dollars????

Let's guess???? Not to supply the reactor !!!!!!

They're simply skipping down the Yellow Brick Road into oblivion-- and, apparently, don't realize it!

matt s

hitler waas reasonable as the madman from teheran is now

get it?

Carlos,

you still fail to find one quote for me where I said that I approve of killing women, children and babies....

But, here is a fact for you.... Since you have been defending the actions of the Israeli Occupying Forces then you approve of the killing of Palestinian women, children and babies and you cannot deny that.

That is who you are... that is your character.

I came on here, this site, pretty ignorant. This was a new subject to me. I am English, Science, and History (not the ME). Well, it has been sooo interesting to me. Upsetting a little. So were many history things like slavery. That was really cruel. It's happened often. \

Prof – I still think that the "men" hiding bombs, missiles, whatever, among the urban areas of Gaza should be ashamed of themselves. I doubt it will happen. They will harden their hearts and explain it in some way. Useless words. I like humor though. Men here would not do it. I know them. There is a difference. I find that odd. I need to find out why so going to explore it which you will not understand, but perhaps maybe. I always have hope.

Professor March 1st, 2009 2316 GMT

Carlos,

you still fail to find one quote for me where I said that I approve of killing women, children and babies….
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professor mentiroso,

obviously you ignored the ones I posted.

But that's typical for you-- ignore it if can't refute it !!!

you're a joke!

What do you call this??? Who are these people you refer to n this post below ?????? " all occupants"- " those so called civilians living in settlements"

Are these not women, children and babies you refer to????

The moderator deleted the really graphic and obscene posts when I tried to re-post them. But if you go back to this time frame -- the originals are still there for all to see!!!!

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Professor January 17th, 2009 1943 GMT

Roscoe,
There is no civilian in an occupation….. stupid.
All occupants are a fair game until the occupation ends. Israeli Occupying Forces, the Israeli government, those so called civilians living in settlements are all armed and ready to murder innocent unarmed palestinian civilians.

Professor March 1st, 2009 2316 GMT

Carlos,

you still fail to find one quote for me where I said that I approve of killing women, children and babies….

But, here is a fact for you…. Since you have been defending the actions of the Israeli Occupying Forces then you approve of the killing of Palestinian women, children and babies and you cannot deny that.

That is who you are… that is your character.
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professor mentiroso,

You can try to twist the facts around all you want! It simply reflects on your own character.

So once again I'll explain to you-- please read all the statement, completely!!!!!
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I believe that the rule of law applies Equally to Everyone!

No one is immune from the rule of law for any reason!!

It is quite different than your position professor mentiroso, as follows:

"There is no civilian in an occupation….. stupid.
All occupants are a fair game until the occupation ends. "

Do you grasp the difference between your ideology and mine????

Or is it way over your head????

Do you understand that?????

Professor mentiroso March 1st, 2009 2316 GMT

Carlos,

But, here is a fact for you…. Since you have been defending the actions of the Israeli Occupying Forces then you approve of the killing of Palestinian women, children and babies and you cannot deny that.

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professor mentiroso,

Your statement above, once again, is nothing more than your OPINION.

It is not a statement of fact!

You haven't the ability to make a statement of fact relative "my" position of support! This is once again, something you have authority over.

But again- you have every right to voice your "OPINION"-- because everyone has one, opinions are like bodily orifices-– and you have several large ones!

Sorry, but once again you loose!

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Carlos,

I am glad you cut and pasted my full comment.... because you over looked this "so called civilians living in settlements are all armed and ready to murder innocent unarmed palestinian civilians."

And you proved me right when you said that all Israelis have to serve in the IDF. So, those are the so called "civilians" i am talking about.... i have never mentioned women, children and babies..... but its obvious that in your brain you want to believe that I did....

Professor March 2nd, 2009 1643 GMT

What is it about "civilians" you fail to comprehend?

Is English not your mother tongue?

What is it you fail to understand about enlistment in the armed forces??
You simply fail to overlook the fact that this for an 18 month period, right!!!

You fail to comprehend the fact that this "enlistment" is not from birth until death!!!!

why don't you just go shoot rockets at the civilians because-– "it's permitted, because they're really not civilians, they're occupiers, no they're really IDF, oh no, they're really IOF -– even the 2yr. olds, so, they're all legitimate targets!!!! right, professor!!!!!!!

Carlos,

Until you find one of my comment where I said 2 year olds are legitimate targets then you are not allowed on here to lie anymore... go find yourself a shelter next to world traveler and stay there.

Professor March 2nd, 2009 1837 GMT

Carlos,

Until you find one of my comment where I said 2 year olds are legitimate targets then you are not allowed on here to lie anymore… go find yourself a shelter next to world traveler and stay there.
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professor,

read back -- carefully -- they are there--" there are no civilians in the occupation, they are legitimate targets, women, children, babies, blah, blah, blah, they're all legitimate targets, there a re no civilians in Israel, blah, blah, blah, blah" But i understand--" I'm just blind to the truth and the reality" Wake up from your stupor there professor mentiroso and go find your friend with the self descriptive screen name, you guys can whine and slobber and cry to each other along with the other things you do together!

Carlos,

Whaaaaaaaaaaaa.... Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa..... Whaaaaaaaaaaaa....

Do you really don't any have anything better to whine about... when you loose and you cannot prove anything you try to fabricate things to whine about?... You are really a joke.

the french did some test with nuclear weapons just some years ago in the algerian desert and the people there still get sick
and the same problem with the polinesian people where the french also thestet theyr weapons

the french are more a threat then iran
why no one crys about that?

and israel also have nuclear weapons and it looks not soo fine to me if fascists as lieberman are playing with nukes

and what the iran is maybe doing is the same as the aliens from mars are maybe doing

until now there is no poofe for any illegal movment in that case
also the cia reportet this

and by the way a undemocratic us president got also power over nukes in 2000 ... thats also to worrie about

but keep on dreaming your marshmellows