I had not heard of "Honor Crimes" before but in the U.S. are shelters for battered women also. My mother-in-law made it clear to me that she had taught her sons to respect women. I've taught mine the same. If mothers would teach their sons to respect women, many of these crimes would be avoided. My boys would never tough a woman.

It is part of most Arab cultures, they see a woman as the center of pride and honor for the family, and if that is taken away because the woman wants to express her individuality, OFF WITH HER HEAD.

Very edvanced society this Arab world.

I was in Iraq back in 2004, don’t ask, and I had dinner with a high ranking individual who asked me what I thought of his country, of course I did not tell him that I thought the entire region looks like a dump, Instead I kept the conversation polite. He later told me that Iraq was the cradle of civilization, so I was thinking, if this is the cradle of civilization, all the smart people left long ago.

I told you this little story to make a point, if these Arab cultures are so old why are they still so dogmatic, as if they are stuck in the 18th century, and for some reason they can’t get over the fact that they don’t deserve anything over anyone else in this world.

What give anyone the right to commit murder, NOTHING.

Every culture is different and has its own rules. Personally, I love the scarves the ladies wear over their hair. Wish it was the style here. Of course violence against women, anyone, is wrong. Equal rights is good, but it's for those in their country to decide, male and female. I can remember my grandfather telling my grandmother what to do all the time so it took awhile here. When people wanted change, male and female, it changed.

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GLeigh,

Scarves yes, but can you imagine that it is strictly prohibited, in some sects, that you show your face??? Can you imagine that it is prohibited for you to go out in public without being completely covered– head to toe? Can you imagine that it is is prohibited for you to go out in public with a male who is not a family member-brother, cousin, uncle etc.??? Can you imagine that it is prohibited for you to have a cellphone, let alone actually call a person of the male gender??

Can you imagine-- that if you're caught, violating any of these things-- you can be executed??? Beheaded! Buried up to your neck and stoned to death! Hung in public by the neck!! Or killed by a family member!!!!

If you've not noticed-– none of the typical radical Islamic supporters on the other blogs have said squat on this blog!!! As sick as they are, they can't even bring it upon themselves to support these issues that exist freely and rampantly within the Arab communities!

What a sick "culture" that knows nothing about honor! This culture is a place where women are property. They constantly whine and cry about human rights, but they are treating women as animals, and killing children for their dishonorable behavior. They routinely behead gay people, and cut off other body parts to comply with the tenets of a barbaric, and inhumane religion, you know, the religion of terrorism. They treat female children even worse, often marrying them off before they are 10 years old, basically allowing someone to purchase them for pedophilia. Do these people even have a right to be called human? Disgusting, filthy, evil, sordid beings!

Bill,

I know you are a racist so I am not trying to change your views here becuase you were brought up a racist and it will take a lot of work to change you.

But, for the readers of your comment.... Honor Killing is exists in almost every society and its not connected to any race, religion or culture... Here in the US we have it but its not called honor killing....

Here is another example:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article1489930.ece

March 9, 2007

Miss Israel finalist quits after family’s honour killing plot

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Rabbi Shlomo Amar's wife, kids to be charged [Jewish "honor" crime?]
Jerusalem Post ^ | May 8, 2005 | Yaakov Katz and Mati Wagner

Posted on Sunday, May 08, 2005 11:10:26 PM by Alouette

Police said Sunday they had collected sufficient evidence to press charges against Sephardi Chief Rabbi Shlomo Amar's wife, daughter and son in connection with the alleged kidnapping and beating of a 17-year-old haredi youth romantically involved with Amar's 18-year-old daughter.

"We believe we have sufficient evidence to press charges against the suspects and will recommend that the prosecution do so," said a senior police officer involved in the investigation.

The officer stressed that police have yet to obtain concrete evidence against Amar, who is currently in Thailand on business and is scheduled to return on Tuesday. Police confirmed that Amar was at home when the youth was brought to the family's Jerusalem apartment following a night of abuse in Kalansua, but said there were conflicting versions regarding his level of involvement in the affair.

Ayala Amar, the rabbi's daughter, met the 17-year-old boy from Bnei Brak over the Internet some three months ago, police said. Meir – the chief rabbi's 31-year-old estranged son who turned secular some 15 years ago – kidnapped the youth in an effort to persuade him to break off the relationship with his sister.

During the night of the kidnapping last month, Meir took the youth to Kalansua where two of his acquaintances – Abdullah and Ahmed Maslawah – tied him up, cut off his peyot, cut his kippa in half and beat him for several hours. In the morning, the youth was taken to the Amar home, were the beating continued.

On Sunday, police confronted Amar's wife Mazal with the abducted youth. During the confrontation, the youth reportedly told police the chief rabbi was not only present while he was beaten, but also knew of the abduction. Police have said they intend to request permission from Attorney-General Menahem Mazuz to question Amar upon his return.

While police suspect Meir was the mastermind behind the kidnapping, they said he was ordered to do so by his mother, who told him of Ayala's illicit relationship and asked him to "take care of the problem."

On Friday, the three Amar family members were brought to Tel Aviv District Court which extended Meir's remand by an additional eight days. Ayala and her mother were released to house arrest. Sources close to Amar said Sunday that while he admits to being home at the time of the alleged beating, he was not aware of the abduction.

"Maybe that boy was brought to the rabbi's house in the early morning hours when Amar was sleeping," one source said. "But that does not mean the rabbi was aware of what was going on."

"First, the rabbi's apartment is big and the distance from the family room to the bedroom is far enough so that the rabbi probably never heard anything," the source added. "In addition, there are always people coming and going at the rabbi's house. It's like a train station. So even if the rabbi saw the boy on his way to morning prayers, it is not clear he would think twice about it."

"Rabbi Amar is a respected Torah figure. If he would have known about the kidnapping and the beating he would have stopped it immediately," he said.

Sources close to Amar placed the blame squarely on the shoulders of Meir, who left home some 15 years ago. Of Amar's 12 children – four boys and eight girls – Meir is the only one who abandoned religion.

Sources close to Amar also rejected claims that Ayala reciprocated the young man's love. These sources said that the youth is a known haredi juvenile delinquent.

"He forced himself on her against her will. The brother found out and decided to do something about it," one source said.

The youth belongs to a well-respected Sephardi family in Bnei Brak. Since he is a minor, there is a police ban on the publishing his name.

Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, spiritual mentor of Shas, spoke by phone with Amar. "I am sure everything will work for the better in the end," he told him. "I pray that God will bring your son back to the fold."

I don't buy into the women are weak and helpless thing. Never have. I am one and have never felt that way personally. I think it's funny. My daughter phoned yesterday. She's a new store manager and has "held" shoplifters. Yesterday one got out the door and she brought him down. She was laughing. Her weight – maybe 105, I doubt it. He was closer to over 200 whatever. Since she is nice, and it was his first time, she took back the merchandise and let him go. She only calls police on the second time if they show up a second time. Women perhaps are too nice. Women here wanted equal rights and responsibilities. The responsibilities part is tough. Hard work. I figure when other women want to go there, they will. It's their choice.

Professor March 5th, 2009 1147 GMT

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professor mentiroso,

Great Job!!!!!!!!!

Once again you manage to twist the story around to justify your own sick agenda!!!

What does planning to kid nap a boy seeing a Rabbis daughter have to do with the story about Honor killings of Muslim women???

Professor March 5th, 2009 1147 GMT

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professor mentiroso,

I get it-!!!!!! Since it's a Rabbi's daughter--– he kidnaps the boyfriend!!!!!

But, if it's a Muslim girl--– the father or the brother or the uncle beheads the girl or buries her up to the neck in the sand and stones her to death!!!!!

Right--- thanks for pointing out the difference!!!!!!!

Carlos,

Are you for real?... does it matter who is murdered? the guy or the girl? An honor killing is an honor killing and they are both murders. They happen among hindus, muslims, christians, jews from any part of the world. That was the point of my comment.

But, of course you are just there to prove to everyone on this blog that you just like to post idiotic comments.

Professor March 5th, 2009 1840 GMT

Carlos,

Are you for real?… does it matter who is murdered? the guy or the girl? An honor killing is an honor killing and they are both murders. They happen among hindus, muslims, christians, jews from any part of the world. That was the point of my comment.

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professor mentiroso,

get a grip on reality-- So one certified nutcase of a Rabbi-- in your mind --establishes a fact that there is an accepted practice of "honor killing" within the Jewish community?????

And you honestly think the practice of " Honor Killing exists in almost every society and its not connected to any race, religion or culture…"

Why would even attempt to make such a lame attempt to justify the practice of "honor killing" in Arab societies by citing nutcase Rabbis plan to kidnap his daughters boyfriend???-– or claiming that it happens nearly everywhere?????

It's well known fact it occurs and is widely accepted in Arab societies.

It is not an accepted practice in other cultures!

When was the last time you had an "honor killing" in the US?????

Oh--- It was just last week-- wasn't it????? I seem to recall a news story about a store owner whose wife was going to divorce him--yea that's right-– so he cut off her head! Remember that professor mentiroso???? Yes -– I also seem to recall he and his wife were Muslims!!!!!!

Go figure!!!!!!!

I guess it happens everywhere !!!!!

You're right !!!!!

Carlos,

Get a grip of yourself... you are loosing it again....

When a Rabbi does it... then he is one nutcase....

But when a TV station director (by the way not a store owner) does it then it widely accepted in Arab countries.... when that station director is an Indian (from India) and not an Arab.

What an idiot you are... and you post idiotic comments... without studying the facts.

Carlos,

and you are gonna tell me that it never happens in Portugal right? where a guy kills his girlfriend or wife for catching her cheating on him with someone else? Thats honor killing for your information... its not labeled as such in the west... but regardless... it is what it is.

Professor -

I can't beleive you are defending the Muslim custom of honor killings by saying that every society does it. That simply is not true. I've heard of it being done in Mudlim and Hindu pupulations, but the article is about the Muslim women victims of these crimes against humanity.

Prof – There is a difference, a basic one. Women here choose. If it told my husband, today or any day, that I was going to do something, open a business, spend time with some friend, male or female having a tough time, whatever, he would trust me a hundred percent and be supportive. If I'm tired, he fixes dinner. It doesn't happen a lot now since I'm not working now. If he ever, ever hit me, which he wouldn't, then he would never sleep around me again, in peace, because there would be consequences. I don't even have to say it, because he wouldn't since he's a good guy and a hundred pounds heavier. It's all about being fair. Oh, and if some repair person rips us off, he tells me to talk to them because I'm better at that. He doesn't like messing with that stuff.

Professor,

I can't believe you even attempt to justify the Muslim custom of "honor killing" by your claim that it exists everywhere in society. You also need to really study the facts about what is considered acceptable social behavior for women in various Muslim societies. That is the point of this article-- "not crimes of passion throughout modern society"!! you always feel the need to justify the unjustifiable– how typical!

Additionally, you need to really read the posts before you respond to them-in such hateful and incite fashions–

--like your response-- "…. when that station director is an Indian (from India) and not an Arab. "What an idiot you are… and you post idiotic comments… without studying the facts.--–"

I never claimed this guy was an Arab!!!!!!!!! I said he was a Muslim!!!!

You need to study the facts of what I wrote in my post!

Do you know the difference??? No???

Carlos and Bill,

I would dare you to bring one sentence from my comment that justifies honor killing.... I called it a murder, a crime – regardless if you kill the female or the male... But, your racist and hate filled remarks wanted to show that these things happen only in Muslim societies... and that is the comment I was refuting.... Jews kills, steal as well as Christians and Muslims. Claiming to belong to a certain religion does not make you a perfect person. Only your actions are what's important to prove it.... You can claim to be a Jew but if you steal lands and kill babies then you are not following the ten commandments and you are not a true Jew. You can claim to be a muslim or a christian all day long and if you murder a female or a male in honor killing or any kind of killing for that matter then what kind of muslim or christian are you?....

Professor March 6th, 2009 1818 GMT

Carlos and Bill,

I would dare you to bring one sentence from my comment that justifies honor killing….
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professor--

read you post --- the entire rant is nothing more than plea to minimize the Muslim custom of "Honor Crimes" by attempting to compare the social acceptance of these heinous acts within the Muslim societies to individual isolated crimes of passion in the rest of the world!

Sorry you don't get it !! But there are others out there who do!!!

But this is really not surprising, you fail "to get" a great lot of things that are quite evident and clear to a lot of open minded and objective individuals!

You even fail to acknowledge that the rule of law exists and that society is required to comply! You preach violence, hatred and armed violence against civilians in the name "resistance" as opposed to preaching peaceful activism and the need to purse your injustices in a court of law!

You're simply out of control!!!

Yet you, by your own ideology, occupy a land that was forcibly taken from those who had lived on the land for generations-- that's what is commonly called hypocrisy!

I guess I don't understand, fully, honor crimes. I just don't quite get it. I know about crimes of passion, where a person flips out. There are laws about it in states. Texas has some good ones that I've read, mostly men sided.

because technology has been so technical with imagery i highly doubt that saddam hussein (however you spell the mans name) was really hung. being "the psychic" i have been allusively trained to become i reiterate, the man aint dead.

i would like to know more about the relationship and history of lord hussein with other world leaders. then perhaps i can take a side, but i will not be a blind follower as many are who are a member of the majority in the public.

I saw a blip the other day on the news that some elderly woman was getting 40 lashes? 40 lashes? What is that and why? A friend of mine, female, clips horses. She hates those who carry horse whips and uses them on the horses. Cruel.

Carlos,

Again you speak your nonsense.... there is nothing called a Muslim custom of “Honor Crimes”. There are Chinese Muslims, Russian Muslims, European Muslims, American Muslims, Arab Muslims.... you are trying to tell us that all those Muslims share the same customs? You proved to everyone who reads your comment that you nothing but an ignorant racist.

Prof – You are really on a "racist" rampage. Your new favorite word? The article states that in Jordan there are "honor crimes." I have never heard of it before, but it's just a country's term, not a Muslim term. I'm sure the Muslim world, in general, appreciates and treats women fairly, equal with men. Some Muslim countries don't treat women equal with women, but I'm sure, over time, this will change. Some non-Muslim countries are the same so it's not a religion thing, just a human thing. Change just takes time. I don't know honestly because I'm in another part of the world, but I do know women have a fifty percent role in making themselves heard. I'm a female and I make myself heard. Usually. If I'm able, not laughing too hard because the macho, macho thing seems ridiculous to me in general.

Professor March 11th, 2009 2159 GMT

Carlos,

Again you speak your nonsense…. there is nothing called a Muslim custom of “Honor Crimes”. There are Chinese Muslims, Russian Muslims, European Muslims, American Muslims, Arab Muslims…. you are trying to tell us that all those Muslims share the same customs? You proved to everyone who reads your comment that you nothing but an ignorant racist
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professor,

Sorry but you're wrong again!!!!

The topic of this posted is about "Honor Crimes"-– and I stand by my statement that this a custom in Muslim societies-– be it Arab, Asian or African-! And it is prevalent in all Muslim societies!

It has nothing to do about "race" !!! Do you understand the difference between "race" and "religion" ???

From your response it seems not!!!!! Is "Muslim" a race??

So explain again how in your twisted mind you think my statement about "Honor Crimes" within the Muslim society is a "racist" statement???

Can't you find anything else to whine about today??

GLeigh,

I don't understand why you did not direct your comment to Carlos instead of me.... I am not the one who said its a religion thing.... so I do not have a quarell with you over this.

Carlos,

How would you feel now if I told you that with Madoff's news today (the largest thief in American history) being sentenced to prison is a proof that all jews are thiefs (and I do not believe that).... would that be considered a racist statement or not?

Professor March 13th, 2009 027 GMT

Carlos,

How would you feel now if I told you that with Madoff’s news today (the largest thief in American history) being sentenced to prison is a proof that all jews are thiefs (and I do not believe that)…. would that be considered a racist statement or not?
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professor,

You see professor, your constant use of conversational deflection only substantiates the fact that you have no proper or adequate response to question statement. So, you attempt to deflect the statement by responding with a question-- or you simply change the subject.

Since you fail to respond to the questions- one can only ascertain you haven't any valid response to the statement or answers to the questions

But, I always answer your questions!!!!!!!!

I would not feel any differently about you professor! Let me explain!There's nothing you can say to that would change how I feel or my opinion of you. You've said plenty to me and others on this blog that we know who you are and what you are!!!!!!